MODERN HORIZONS 3 cEDH SET REVIEW PART 1 - WHITE, BLUE, RED, AND BLACK CARDS
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- Опубликовано: 13 июн 2024
- Dylan, Cam, and Tyler discuss the white, blue, red, and black cards from Modern Horizons 3 that may impact cEDH
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Tyler needs to be on more.
The three personality dynamic takes the channel from great to outstanding.
Couldn’t agree more
Yeah, I like his perspective too!
I like how they are happy and he is grumpy
I come to watch magic, I stay to see cam get confused and disoriented
And mispronouncing cards don’t forget that!!
@@kstandish42tegrid
Bwahahaha! It's so true...
Jajajajajaja cam is so funny
I come for the debate, i stay cuz everything is time walk
The kinnan player not mentioning how consign to memory only hits one ring while he prays we don't remember Basalt monolith is colorless
Harbinger also makes Carpet of Flowers nuts lol
Harbinger in Hakbal stax is so good. I love it ^^ I am the only one who plays that deck though ahahah
Reading Carpet
Damn true that. Never thought of that
@@mirkomigliavacca9894I love Hakbal. The minute I saw harbinger spoiled I knew I’d want it for the deck.
Worth noting that mayhem devil still triggers when stuff is exiled cause it triggers on sacrifice which doesn't care where the card goes after.
Flare cycle is also a one-time instant speed sac outlet, which doesn't entirely make it better, but is something to keep in mind
I think that only might matter for white because of the rectors
Having played with Ashling for quite awhile in Krark Saka, this card is BERSERK. An absolutely deranged piece of cardboard. I'll be curious to see how the Ashling (in the zone) + Fury Storm deck does! And Pinnacle Monk creates a couple of deterministic loops, which rules. For Krark Saka, ultimately, I think that Flare, Ashling, and the MDFCs stick-with results pending on all the other stuff (including Powerbalance).
First big fan and really apprentice all the work you ya done for the deck As a krark saka player I’m curious I feel like there aren’t enough red creatures to sac DRC Monkey and dockside that’s all is it really worth to sac the Krark for flare and if I may ask what’s the deterministic loop with monk and how do you feel about Ral
Twin-Turbo Ashling is 🔥
Wow glad Cam saw me here, I was getting nervous they would just sit in silence unless I said something.
The black tutor creature seems good with saw in half, it can fetch up both thoracle and consult or any other A+B without having to pass the turn.
The kinnan player forgetting to mention consign to memory counters basalt is pretty funny
A few krark notes: Ashling is cracked in half in the deck considering how she interacts with cards like twinflame allowing you to effectively reset her abilities. She can very quickly become a win condition especially with flare of Duplication which, when copied by krark, can infinitely copy itself and generate infinite magecraft triggers.
Also, pinnacle monk is huge with the kitten package that the deck has been playing as long as you're generating enough mana from your spells.
I run a casual Krark deck, how many of these cards are worth running? I also don't have kitten because I don't have a lot of rocks/tap abilities, should I?
Thanks, King. I'm in love with this card now.
Sincerely,
A Devoted Krark-follower (Krark/Thrasios)
Cam I love the Holiday World shirt! I grew up ~20 minutes from the park and now take my son any time we go back to visit my parents.
Love this park so much!! Can’t wait to go back and ride Good Gravy
One thing about Galvanic Discharge is that it really can't be deflecting swatted back at your own creature. It's why I'm cutting bolt for it in my Jund Dargo.
I still can't believe you guys are under 100k subscribers, I don't play cEDH at all, but your editing, banter and analysis are so entertaining that it's always a treat to watch this show. Thanks for doing what you do 🙏
You put witch enchanter in sythis so then when they remove one of them, you ask "which enchanter? That one"
The perfect comment
Sythis will probably like Static Prison too.
Which enchanter? Dis enchanter....
@shayneweyker I might test it. It's cute fs
talking about artifact combos with Tyler on the podcast and no mentions Basalt Monolith...
Yay, glad to have Tyler on the show!
Good scenario for powerbalance is casting a vamp tutor in response to a Kraum, putting Ad Nauseam on top, and casting it for free off the balance.
White Flare is kinda good in Rocco and other Rector decks as a free sac for Rector that protects your board, gonna try it out
Cam, Static Prison can remove a One Ring and it'll be reset when it gets back in. Plus 3 turns is forever in cEDH. This is essentially "W: Exile a thing, the games probably over before it comes back."
Also I haven't seen anyone mention the static prison can be cast off lurrus, which is big for all the bad lurrus decks
I don’t play cEDH but damn do I love you guys lol great chemistry. I don’t understand all the ins and outs of cEDH but I learn a shit ton from you guys every time I watch. Even if I’m just a casual it helps me understand this game more, you guys rock
First thing, I love this podcast. Second, every time I watch you guys, I get jealous that you have the collectors edition berserk manga.
Ashling has a 1 card wincon and multiple 2 card wincons with fury storm and copy spells.
Too complicated for this show
Chthonian Nightmare also has a bunch of other combos in Krrik. Blood Celebrant/Jet Medallion + Aetherflux/Gary
Flare of fortitude is a free sac outlet to the rectors which is also nice
great episode as always fellas. love seeing the episodes with tyler weighing in on cards from major set releases
Idk what it is but I really do love the lil into where yall name yourselves, it tickles my brain every time
Glad to see great minds think alike. I've been in love with grim servant lately. First tutor finds ephemerate, and then those find dark ritual, vamp tutor. Tutor before the draw for saw in half. Use dark ritual to cast Saw in half. Two tutors for 2 drops, finds dockside and cthonian nightmare. Also if you're in reanimator. You can just find entomb reanimate for a razaketh or something
Flare of Duplication (the red one) does NOT allow you to change targets of the original spell, it ONLY makes a copy (that you can point anywhere). Lots of comparisons were made (to Redirect, etc), so it wasn’t quite clear if everyone was on the same page. I mean, it’s still extremely good (copy a counter spell), but you can’t save your commander from a Swords, so I’m not sure it’s quite a 4.999.
copy ad naus, tutors or other absurd spell makes it a 5. have copied quite a few Beseeched the mirrors so far, the card is very strong.
I love all 4 of you giving opinions together. Cam, Dylan, Tyler, and the Dog.
Its like breathing fresh air listening to the Strix Serenade assessment. I had the same perspective vis a vis it and Stern Scolding. Felt like I was going insane in the pod groupchat when I was the only person calling it exceptionally mid.
I mean it’s a great casual counter spell!
Sundering eruption is a big boost for river song, make them search, make river bigger, stop them blocking and ITS ALSO A LAND
i think the ashling point most people forget is if youre hellbent it still draws you a card from copying spells or casting from exile so if you use impulsive draw spells while hellbent you get say 2 exiled cards to cast plus a draw
A benefit to hydroelectric specimen is its only one blue pip but being a creature also makes an interesting hit with cards like Withering Boon in mono black.
My theory on why they have printed a lot of “pre combat main phase “ is they have printed a lot of stuff thag triggers additional upkeeps so they are trying tk keep some stuff so it doesn’t trigger off those extra upkeeps
Oh also, King Gizard and the Lizard wizards are a great rockband
Of course you didn't see me there, Cam. I was never in the room, you're in your recording studio.
Static prision has the upside of taking something only during your main phase1, like a dranith you want in play but you want your commander.
harbinger synergizes with carpet of flowers. That wasn't said, but maybe worth mentioning as carpet is played regularly in the format.
Tempted to try running Ashling, Flame Dancer in my casual Stella Lee deck!
It's not only that triggers happen independently from their sources(it doesn't matter unless a card points it out), it's that even if they did, hexproof and protection both key off of targeting, and ward doesn't target it.
But now that I'm thinking about it, a counterspell with ward on the stack would be fire.
I’ve been waiting for this one!!
Flare of Fortitude does give Hexproof against all of the channel abilities and can be done when tapped out which is nice, but I acknowledge it's very situational
I've been waiting WEEKS for this!
I think ajani gets played in at least winota but maybe also najeela. The 0 ability seems very strong in najeela since that's a deck that struggles with blockers
Static Prison is my sleeper pick of this set. Not only is it good for One Ring and a slew of other stuff mentioned in the video, but It can also be used to take care of a Dress Down if someone is trying to stop your win.
Grim Servant having cmc 4 could be great in K'rrik since you can find it off of Fleshwrither / Dimir House Guard but then Grim Servant can find non-cmc 4 cards unlike Fleshwrither / Dimir House
I think the fact that most of the cards in this set are best for 2/mono colored decks is really really good, because the 4/5 color decks don't need anything to be better, they are already the best. And the flares are all great, I wanna play with them in all of my decks
Strix serenade has me so torn, on the one hand it only targets creatures, but on the other other hand, it always targets a commander
Tyler was right about it. This is a strictly better Stern Scolding, that’s all. Great for decks like Talion, control decks.
I think people are sleeping on this card a little. For me, this is better than a Path by far as it stops ETB effects.
Plus, it’s a one mana counter target commander to Manadorkuk’s point.
Also, stopping a One Ring, Bow Master’s, etc. is a big deal.
I think if you are using a Path or a weaker counter spell or removal this is a no-brainer.
@@timothyjones3931 right!!? 1 mana Tivit be gone feels pretty good to me
I'm going to test it in tivit because I want more ways to stop sheoldred, dockside, and clones. 3 very regular creatures that make it harder for me to grind with Tivit out
Woah, Bojuka Bog in Crop Rotation decks is insane. Uncounterable instant speed.
Long have I awaited this video
cthonian nightmare dockside loop can also reanimate and get etb effects with any creature in the graveyard because infinite energy allows any creature to be reanimated
Stormdrake is very good. What you guys are doing most of the times is looking for very specific plays or lines why a card wouldnt work. And under selling the strong points. Also glad tyler joined the review need more.
A lot of these red and black cards makes me really excited of what Imskir can do, feels like an extremely fun turbo deck to play in CEDH.
I love Cam's response to "Is this better than Magda?"
He’s wrong, though
Did not expect the take on the red flare
Precombat main phase triggers allow you to have more resources when you make your decision, since they occur after your draw step.
Fun fact the blue blood moon wil also stay active under humility
With Chthonian Nightmare, isnt the sacrifice a part of the activation cost to put the ability on the stack? As in, you dont need another creature in the graveyard to loop it with Dockside, because Dockside will already be in the graveyard because you sacrificed it?
Or am i getting this way wrong?
You select targets before costs are paid (this is true of both spells and abilities), so you wouldn't be able to target a creature you're sacrificing to pay the cost. (See CR 602.2, if you want an official breakdown.)
Ive been eagerly waiting for this video
My experience with powerbalance.. First game, an opponent had powerbalance. Another opponent was going for the win with a Underworld Breach on the stack with a known force of will in hand. In response, I cast Endurance. Powerbalance trigger and it hit a Ranger Captain of Eos. Was just an awesome moment.
The next 3 games where I have gotten it, it hasn't done much. But I haven't hit my top deck manipulation in those games. Still more to be tested!
1:09:25 Ral, Leyline Prodigy's +1 is NOT 'until the end of your next turn'. It is "until YOUR NEXT TURN'. The +1 doesn't cover your next turn, just that whole round between your turns.
I feel like they keep forgetting Dihada is a planeswalker on the destroying or countering effects
This podcast was so great, 9/10 though cause it wasn't also a land
You forgot amphibian downpour! I just played that this weekend in a tournament and the card was nuts!
I don’t play Krark, but would Power Balance be good in it? Semi card draw?
Don’t know if this changes the flare of denial assessment but you can sac thoracle to cast it after the consultation and thoracle trigger are on the stack.
Ral is going straight into my Zndrsplt/Okaun cEDH build. The backside is meh, but being able to flip whenever you cast something on your turn just means extra potential draw from Zndr. Plus reducing costs is helpful, of course.
For Ral, it may not be better than krak/shaka BUT it can lead its own deck fairly well too. If you can get up to 6 casts with 3 of those being instants(more is better for flip odds), you cast your sorceries first, then do the instants while holding priority to guarantee the 8 loyalty on flip. If you can ult while displacer kitten is in play, you're winning on the spot 99% of the time.
I had to go back and see when Dylan started holding a dog.
Dylan? Dog? Dead of night...
1:11:23 since ral’s back gives the reduction until the end of your next turn, that means after the first turn it’s flipped you are technically capable of stacking the reduction to -2 which is neat.
TYLER!!! Tyler's great. This is a Tyler appreciation comment.
I'm definitely going to try grim servant in Rowan
Wrath of the Skies becomes incredible in a deck where you have energy lying around, in which case you just pay X = 0 put still pay a few energy and get the effect on just 2 mana. If an energy deck with white ever becomes viable that card will skyrocket in quality.
Very nice Flare of Duplication interaction: Use Orcish Lumberjack to sac a land (4 green mana) cast Invasion of Ikoria x=2, sac the lumberjack for FoD, copy gets Dockside, original gets magda, sac treasures for Citadel. You can do that turn 2
You mean fanal devastation right? sense invasion cant be copied
@@Rizso1 yup, you're totally right, I do mean finale of devastation (you can tell how much I play green lmao)
Yay Tyler bacc
Videos with all 3 of you is best
Stopping by to say Flare of Denial is incredible for Hidetsugu and Kairi.
I’ve been wondering if I’m cutting Soul Partition for Static Prison?
I will say, is tergrid does become a competitive commander, the black flair would be amazing in her
Was rewashing
Cthonian nightmare breaks parity if you have a drain effect on board. Dockside + 3cmc or less creature in grave + blood artist/zulaport effect.
Dockside only needs to be x =2
I think the precombat main thing is because people usually go untap -> draw -> oh shit I forgot an upkeep trigger (sagas and attractions try to prevent this in the same way)
I absolutely love razorgrass ambush and I'm glad other people are hype about it too
Chthonian Nightmare + Dockside loops does have infinite casts, which means you can’t really just win through a Rhystic Study without making enough extra treasures, so in that regard it’s worse than the Emiel loop
Ironically, Static prison did become a staple of the modern energy deck in the past week. 😂
I'm brewing some shenigans with Dr Madison lee ATM. It's tricky and I think it's missing a energy dump that Doesn't tap to make it truly work but I've had the engine going a couple times. The rhino from the precon plus lightning runner is fun
My recent commander night I had a Volatile Stormdrake and took my opponents Legolas commander, paid the energy to keep it. Then I drew Sing Into Stupor and I was like, waaaait a second, so I bounced it back to my hand and then recast the drake taking another commander that was 4 cmc and I paid the energy to keep it for the rest of the game 😂 felt goooood
lol Cam's intro, love it, more please, thank u
I think the most powerful thing about these cards that are both a land and a creature is the ability to tutor then with land tutors to hand I think there will be some weird interaction like that that will break them. I'm wating on something like that
Love these 3 guys!
Am I wrong in believing that you only need dockside for the chthonian nightmare. As the sacrifice is part of the cost so he would be in the graveyard when the ability goes on the stack so you can just target him? Or is that not how it works?
You guys never fail to crack me up
Did we really not include the new best Ob Nixilis card? Unstable Amulet is nuts for Ob, but only Ob so I get it
I play Flare of Malice on Yuriko. It’s pretty good because I get rid of 3 things which clears the way for me, one way or another.
I’m a mono red player/fanatic and my advice to wizards to help out the lower colored decks is to increase the colored mana pips for the cards. For example a 5 red mana pip commander that is extremely strong for mono red. A little of the extreme side but just ask example.
About Flare of fortitude: how do you see it in a Lotho deck, casting Ad nauseam, then Flare in response (sacrificing Lotho and generating a treasure), to have a free Ad naus?
Nightmare gave me infinit mana on turn 2 today (entomb reanimate on dockside x6 and diabolic intent for another creature)
Also i will look to fit the 2 flairs into my Rakdos the muscle deck. Copy a spell or edict for free and Draw between 2-4 cards seems awesome
I was thinking Flare of duplication would be a definite in Etali, as it's another "copy" of the copy etali effects.
Smoldering eruption is red ramp if you have indestructible lands in your deck.
Grim Servant is like a weaker hoarding broodlord in some decks i think itll be used as an extra but not to get peer but ad nauseum since 7 devotion isnt likely but 5 is more likely especially with things like necropotence and necrodominance but if you play those you probably arent trying to do ad naus anymore cause of life total but the value necros maybe, but the saw in half line could get cabal rit/sacrifice (situational) and ad nauseum
Something to consider in krark saka with powerbalance if you cast it 1 you get multiple copies for free and two even if you fail the flips you draw the card