Whoa, perfect timing since i've been going down a rabbit hole of modern-era Tekken 3 & Tag 1 tournaments lately - thank you for covering this! Going to infodump a little on TK3: - The character choices on this show are...not *entirely* off the modern meta. India has a very active scene for this game and they absolutely LOVE Paul over there! Though i'm not positive on this, i think deathfist was much safer in 3 and Tag 1 was when they nerfed that and basically crippled him as a result. Heihachi is also probably #3 among the cast for the usual "Mishimas in old games" reasons + that runaway you saw. It's just that nobody was playing the characters who have long been considered god-tier. Speaking of... - One of the characters most conspicuously absent here was Jin. One thing a lot of people may not know is that EWGF was introduced in Tekken 3...but *only* Jin had it! Heihachi was given his EWGF in Tag 1, and Kazuya not until 4. Laser Scraper/Cannon is also all-around excellent in 3 & Tag 1, even if it didn't have the broken JF from 4. Another major advantage Jin had over Hei was iWS2, as a fast mid launcher that wasn't launch-punishable itself. Funny enough, Jin was nerfed in a way in the PSX version - the original arcade release allowed him to dash cancel in between the 2 hits of d/f+1,2 and this gave him infinite combos/blockstrings! - The other character people may be surprised not to see on the show is Ogre. Since Tekken Tag 1 is a much more well-documented game than 3, i won't go into too much detail as most of his bullshit you can read about was there in 3 as well. The key difference that elevates him to god-tier, though, is the fact that Waning Moon was COMPLETELY UNBREAKABLE in 3. Read that last sentence one more time if it didn't hit you right away. - Tekken 3 had one massively busted general property that, among other things, ended up making True Ogre a far cry from the menace he is in Tag 1. You know the generic running 3 that caused block stagger? In Tekken 3, they *couldn't block* during that stagger. This means you could get all sorts of guaranteed shit from those on block, from Bryan's f,f+2 all the way up to EWGF if your execution is on point! True Ogre's unique problem here is that running 3 hits GROUNDED vs. him, so any knockdown puts him in these completely horrible situations where he either has to continually eat those grounded hits or wake up into the running 3 (either getting knocked down again to reset the situation, or blocking it and still getting hit with something). - To add to other comments, Paul first gained Ultimate Punishment in Tekken 2. May have just been nerves that made Ryan miss it there. - After Jin/Ogre/Heihachi, some other real strong characters are Ling + Lei + Law. Ling's usual evasiveness combined well with the cracked movement in this game, and her WS2 was a 13f mid launcher that was completely safe on block. She also had great mixup potential from her juggles if you were willing to sacrifice just a little bit of guaranteed damage. Lei's stance mixups have never been better than they were in his 3/Tag 1 incarnation, and this was also when he first got Haha Step. Law was pretty funny for the simple fact that his 3,4 was a natural combo, especially when his punch parry gave him enough time to dash up and land it guaranteed. This was also when he first got Junkyard, and you saw the work it was doing lol
Extra note about the running 3 connecting on block; I think Law is the only character in the entire game who doesn't get anything guaranteed, since he oddly doesn't get "true" frame advantage off it.
if you don't mind, I want to add another fact that not every char. in Tekken 3 could do a low parry. Low parries were done through inputs like d+1+3 for certain chars. You can still find this in Xiaoyu's BT d+1+4; that low parry is similar to the old one from T3 & TTT1. When you do a low parry in T3 there's animation when the parry whiffs, but it recovers quickly, so you can hold down, go FC. And thus it's possible to create FC or WS mixups from executing a low parry.
paul is probably the worst of the viable characters. like he isn't bad just in T3 the good characters have something mad cheap, jin's electric and hellsweep, ogre's waining moon and brutal block punishement. ling's evasion and oki, hei's block punishment and pressure, even outside that you mentioned law, lei, even characters like nina and yoshi were stronger than paul, yoshi's keep out and surprisingly good MU's against the top tiers, and nina's mix purely off of block is nothing to be scoffed at. compared to that paul just kinda... had paul stuff. every other high tier had something cheap. i'd put him just under king as while he is fundamentally more solid. king still had his silly i10 punish. which made up for the character otherwise being lacking. IF ANYONE HAS AN INTEREST IN T3 THE GAME HAS ROLLBACK OVER DUCKSTATION. YOU SHOULD GIVE IT A GO!!! also the netplay is better than t8's netplay lol .
Legend says that if you look in the background of the first ever caveman paintings, you will see Ryan Hart on an arcade cabinet playing Tekken 3 and whooping everybody
I mean to be fair, there are plenty of pros who started with Tekken 1, beta or location test. It’s crazy, definition of OGs who lived through it all and still play
Tekken 3 is widely considered the Golden era of Tekken as everyone who had a ps1 played it. I can't believe how well the game animations still hold up til this day.
Tekken 3 was my first fighting game and also one of the 1st 3D games I ever played . Made me fall in love with fighting games and the rest is history. This game would always have a special place in my heart .
Watching old tekken being played properly is so wild to me cuz being 10 yrs old at the time i never knew this game could be played like this and not be a mash fest.
It's actually wild yeah, our brains attuned to Eddy / Law Flip Spam / brazenly just letting Paul Burning fist rip, and these guys are actually playing fighting games properly lol
@@GuntanksInSpaceI remember playing T3 when i was a kid back in like 2006 on our computer, all we did was spam, eddy kicks spam, law uf4 spam, and alof of 1+2s and 3+4s with every character, i didn't even know crouch dash was a thing. Infact i didn't find out about stuff like qcf qcb hcf hcb cd low parries etc until Pakistan burst into the international tekken scene and took it by storm, i started watching tournaments in 2019 to see my countrymen play and got to know about the most basic to advance tekken stuff i never knew about. It was exciting to find out that there's so much more to this game.
@@hassancr13 It's actually funny, I started playing fighting games with 2D, but it was Tekken 3's movelist to teach me what the hell were the QCFs/QCBs after picking up Paul for a bit. It took me until Tag 1 to learn what the hell was a Mishima Crouch Dash (and what the star meant in the move list lol). Also an aside, I got to watch some of your countrymen dominate a local tournament in 2022, they were cool peeps too!
For T3 I had memorized all the 10 hit combos of every character and all of the multi-throw combinations. I likely still would've lost to any good player though. Back then fighting games were all about special moves, I saw little value in regular moves. And to me the 10-hit combos were essentially special moves.
It was hell of a mash fest in T3😂😂. No mashing here cos is a tournament with pros. Casuals mash literally all the time. Its the same as it is now in t7. Pro's in tournament prioritize movement. Casuals mash
Games Master was an institution in the UK. Totally iconic show. Shame they cancelled it. BTW if you were wondering about the old dude's face in the sun, that's The Games Master, who was portrayed not by an actor but by Sir Patrick Moore, who was the UK's Royal Astronomer and hosted a TV show called The Sky at Night since 1957. (He was basically like David Attenborough, except he talked about space). Normally the Games Master wore a cyber techno helmet and appeared on a screen like he was some kind of AI. Fun times.
I'm just surprised they showed respect to the players and the games. Normally on these shows back then in the us they were normally super disrespectful and making fun of the "gamers". Glad UK got it right.
While I agree that cultural aspects of the 90's such as the music and gaming were great the people back then were complete and utter C U Next Tuesdays at least in Britain. I don't know if it was because of the high unemployment, people being skint & bored or a reflection of the Tory scum in charge. You couldn't go more than 20 feet from your front door without being in a verbal or physical altercation or witnessing one. I don't miss that part of it.
How effing cool is this reaction! I am 41 & from the UK and GamesMaster was the absolute must-watch TV growing up back between 1993 & 1998. I was actually in the crowd for an episode in their 3rd season, which was set in a prison. I met someone that won a golden joystick too 👍
me too, I still feel for the family playing Castlevania: Symphony of the Night as only their youngest son was told how to get the hearts - none of the other members of the family
A lot of this is faked, they did a Tetsujin show where one top level Japanese guy took on 100 other players, but he actually lost multiple times off camera to kids who just spammed the buttons :D
Ryan Hart telling RIP he has won more tournaments than RIP will ever enter is still one of the funniest Tekken commentary moments. There just wasn't enough video evidence back then.
@@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701It was most definitely true and he has the Guinness to prove it. That was a very pivotal moment for him. He finally spoke up for himself after I personally was one of the few for him, the last two decades.
If you're on the older end of the millennial generation, grew up in the UK and enjoyed gaming, you know this programme. The humour is very 90s UK and the girls are probably Page 3 models who would appear in the national newspapers on page 3 with their tits out (not kidding). The guy in the sun is the world famous astronomer Sir Patrick Moore, who passed away a decade or two ago having also fronted the UK's most popular astronomy programme for about half a century.
What Ryan Hart said about being able to see the hit sparks in Tekken was always one of the main reasons I could never see other 3D fighters competing with it for me. Idk why the other 3D fighters didn't adopt hit sparks because for me it looks so janky without it because you can see that hits aren't actually connecting with the characters all the time. Hit sparks help to cover that up making the combat feel more impactful and less jarring to look at.
@@lancergt1000 It makes it look less realistic to me because the character juggles still exist (which are always going to be unrealistic) but then the lack of hits sparks also highlights that the characters don't actually have to have their hits visually connect in order to land, which I think seems even more unrealistic.
For me it's the opposite, hitsparks are there to fill in and make it look more flashy and action like when people are juggled etc. In DoA the hits connect more without sparks because the combat is different and connects more
@@Redcloudsrocks I agree with you in the sense that it makes combat more flashy as opposed to realistic. But I don't really know what you mean by it's different in DOA because "it connects more". And for me DOA will always look a little janky as long as it doesn't have hit sparks :/
Ryan hart used to ask me to play a round on killer instinct and tekken in the arcade when he was a youngster and he didnt have the money to play video games,still in contact with him now
This made me realize that as a kid there was a whole world hiding behind the arcades that I didn’t know about while I was mashing buttons with my dad 😂
Thats because the internet is not yet a thing back then. I remember we only know moves of the characters from the panel of the arcade machine, its like a sticker or a cardboard inserted in there. But these local guy who is really good told us that he gets the moves and combos from the internet and we dont know yet what that is back then.
lol i was only like 4 in 1998, but somehow, still the world seemed way better back then to me. I'm glad we still have these old gems that get uploaded to youtube so the next gen can look back like a time machine. Awesome vid and channel!
Crazy thing is that he isn't just good at Tekken. He is like extremely good at almost every fighting game from old all the way to current generation. But probably more better at the older fighting games. I mainly only knew about him from when he played Capcom v.s. SNK 2 at first, but never knew he was also huge into Tekken before.
@@seanyoung9014 You missed the point 🤣. Old Tekken was more broken because you could get more damage with fewer moves so it didn't need long juggle combos, wall splats, rage, etc and BS upsets were more common back in the day
@@lukejones7164 I didn't miss anything. I've been playing since Tekken 1 and the point was to not get hit by those combos in the first place. There was far more focus on defense in both Tekken and Virtua Fighter and pretty much every 3D fighter because the character movement wasn't as good. Also, on the old console versions the damage was adjustable so that wasn't even a big factor outside of arcades. Calling old Tekken more broken is pretty ridiculous.
this video randomly popped up on my feed, I wasn't even a person into the competitive tekken scene but thank you algorithm, this is great content that I didn't know I needed !
Korean backdashing was really introduced in Tekken Tag 1 pioneered by Jiang Iksu. Movement was increased as well. Theses were the days of fundamentals and outsmarting your opponent,good times indeed.
Wavedash definitely started to become famous by the time of Tag 1 as used by the pro Koreans like Jang Iksu, but it existed back in T3 as well. Did not exist in T2 or T1.
Its not introduced in tekken tag. Actually it came first in tekken 3. Trust me. I am started playing tekken. 3 when i was 15 years old,1999. I saw it in arcade. When the side stepping introduced tekken, backdash and front dash and that Korean dash were there already.
@@CS.AtheistChannel.VoteBidenAOC No it wasnt i was active on TekkenZaibatsu and the korean Tekken Central Forum during 2000 up to 2006 and everyone just called it backdash
I don't even play games like this but this video is so fun to watch. Especially how much you are into competitive fighting games. All the jargon and excitement really made it entertaining.
@@PhiDX hey - you said you enjoy content creation as much as competing! 😉 either way, this one was a good find! was kinda surprised Ryan didn't show any mishima gameplay there
THIS is why I love your channel man. I'm constantly watching all kinds of Tekken media as a total nerd and yet you never fail to amaze me with these obscure finds. Not to mention your commentary and insight. MORE. PLEASE. Also damn young Ryan Hart was already looking scary.
Love your content man. I go to the gym to look like a tekken character only to come home and watch your vids in order to fight like one. Good content, good audio quality, solid advice. Thanks man
Was so crazy seeing young Ryan Hart. Final Furlong was at the arcade where my brother worked. We loved when the ladies would play. My first experience with T3 was a cowboy on the sticks doing King's chain grabs and no one knew how to break them. I learned King pretty soon after that.
Man I thought I was the only one here experienced final furlong in the arcade here in Philippines back when I was a kid. Man what a nostalgia ride back then. Props to Namco and Sega for making interactive arcade games in the past.
I was in professional tourney in 1998 (managed to land in top 20 in my country). This video is so heartwarming, makes me reminiscing about the past.. Thanks for the memory ❤
Very impressive Tekken displayed IMO, considering in 1998 these players had far less tools to what we have now. No practice mode* , no frame data**, far less 'Tekken tech' were shared on the internet, no online play so they had to travel to different arcades to learn different character match ups, and so on. Imagine if these 4 players were born much later and competed in Tekken 7 or 8, in their teens/early 20s. footnote: * Tekken 3 on PS1 had practice mode but this was definitely recorded far before the game was released on PS1. Season 7 episode 9; aired on 27th Jan 1998. While PS1 T3 port was launched in Japan 26th March, North America 30th April, Europe 12th September. * * back in the late 90s & the early 2000s frame data were featured in Japanese game guides AFAIK; rarely found anywhere else. There were definitely efforts made to gather & publish frame data for free on the internet, such as the ones featured on TekkenZaibatsu, but the earliest frame data they had were for Tekken Tag 1.
the games were also much simpler in the t3/tag 1 era. like KBD and movement in general was so strong that for the most part the barrage of knowledge checks and pressure just didn't exist. as anytime someone made you block a string. you had the choice of dealing with it with it's specific counter (duck the high, side step the liniar move, low parry the low etc) OR you could just KBD. 1 backdash in t3 was like 3 tekken 7 backdashes and faster too. so KBD was the low risk low reward option, it's what made t3 and tag 1 such neutral heavy games.
That is very true, these guys were so ahead of their time. But I think it wouldn’t make a difference if they were born in the T7 era and modern, competitive gaming. That’s a bit of a paradox. The reason we got players today that mastered KBD, crazy tech with insane reflexes and game plan is only thanks to these guys. They paved the way. And no one was on their level in the 90s. If they were born later, some other crazy gods would have been there in the past to mark the beginnings of competitive tekken and fighting games.
I was actually around at that time.. These guys hung around Namco Wonderpark in Shaftbury's Ave...Sho actually brang the golden joystick to Namco WP to show his mate.. by 1998 Namco held a Tekken 3 tournament.. By than Ryan levelled up so much he was literally unbeatable...The guy from Norway entered... He had levelled up as well and was beating everyone getting 20+ win streaks... But everytime Ryan faced him.. He never could win.. Ryan had his number.. Around this time there was this tall Skinney Indian player who was also at that Ryan Hart level.. dunno his name though.. Those arcade days were the best...
I played all the Tekken games. I'm 46. Heihachi was so powerful. That double palm would counter so much. Just being able to do the f, d, df, EWGF or hell sweep.. so strong... Got speed nerfed later on. Tekken 4 started slowing down Heihachi so you could see his moves easily. T3 and TTT1 Mishimas are OP.
Tekken 3 is what got me into Tekken. Watching someone get kicked into the air and then helplessly juggled like a ball by a psychotic clown blew me away
That host was pretty funny. You had good commentary, too, man. I'm a casual from back-in-the-day, and I barely knew what was going on, but Tekken is still awesome 😁 I like how Hoisten* got humbled and the regular guy won. Also cool without all the rematches and best-out-of matches.
I genuinely loved watching this video along with someone so enthusiastic, your commentary adds a lot. I'm an old(er) fart, I'm 40, from England. When Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo came out, there was a free giveaway taped to the front of a magazine that was as thick as a phone book. It had EVERYTHING in it, all the terminology, all the frame data, safe/unsafe etc etc. It was genuinely overwhelming to the point I took it with me to read on my holidays. I used to take my little MK2 handbook with me to the arcades to try and enter cheats/do fatalities. And honestly, I must have been staring at the artwork because it took me until watching tournaments in the fighting game community online and crazy combo videos to start actually figuring this stuff out. I would have been button mashing X and O as Tiger/Eddy back when Tekken 3 came out.
Bro, what a throwback! I was a major GamesMaster fan, I use to collect the magazines. I literally have about 300+ GM mags in the attic/loft! Great find PhiDX, appreciate you sharing it in reaction content form.
It's very funny and interesting to see the commentary difference between then and now. Idk if it's about time period or the audience that this was for, or maybe both.
I mean the guy doesn’t really know tekken. I’m giving him the benefit of a doubt because he’s doing his hosting quite well but this could also just be a job for the guy
@@Steponmeplease-gy8es - I never got the impression that T4 Jin was ever slept on. His parry was very quickly discovered to be the most broken crap ever.
Brother, this show was legendary for us as kids / young teenagers growing up in early to mid 90s England. We had no internet, it wasn't in the home when this first came on TV. There were monthly Gaming magazines which were our only source of news, but often they were a bit behind what was going on as they were monthly / bi-monthly. So, Channel 4 Gamemaster, with world famous astronomer Sir Patrick Moore as Games Master, with rough n ready Dominic Diamond presenting - this WAS our guide to the world of home consoles, games, arcade trends etc. We looked forward to this show on Channel 4 ALL WEEK!!!! Great to see you watching it! The 90s was an incredible time to grow up, with the massive developments in home games systems!!!
And suddenly I realize you’ve become a cool enough YT personality that I enjoy experiencing things along with you. So keep making video game related reaction content (tekken focused as is your niche) alongside your analysis and you’ve really got something! (Comment before finishing video, curious about the fights still)
When watching the into it reminded me of a 90’s Radiohead music video and Trainspotting. When he opened his mouth and was clearly Scottish it all made sense.
Yeah, what @ultralowspekken said. It was Tekken 4 where you could do it with just frame inputs. Tekken 4, in general, added a lot of just frame stuff. Most of it has been removed since.
Da legend, Ryan Hart! Was very unexpected to see him on this odd-ball show, that I've no recollection of, except the spec- wearing, bald Scottsman ( seen him before ). The earliest stages of offline tournaments then, were just the tip of the iceberg 🧊 Glad you retreived this footage, PhiDX 👌😉 Question: Who's going to be your main in Tekken 8 🤔
22:29 "It must've been stage nerves, too many women on the stage." I'd be nervous too if I was playing Tekken 3 on a beach with many women in bikinis cheering me on
If you haven't already, I'd highly recommend the tekken ball tournament. It should be easy to find, but the meta is crazy in that game. I think it was law vs true orge, where true orge has some nuts check mate situations with fire but I believe the law had good counter play too. It's honestly way better than it has any right to be
Yo PhiDX. This was quite a blast from the past. My experience with Tekken has always been me playing on a casual level. 20 years ago here in Tucson was the Tekken Tag 1 scene. I used to watch my friends play that game all the time. But I was playing Street Fighter and VS games back then. I even went to Evo back in 2003, and at the time it was known as the Battle by the bay series. I went to B4. I met and saw a bunch of the high level players at the time. I'm planning on going to Evo this year for Tekken 8, and even if I get blown up it'll still be a great experience. I'm playing with the Tucson Tekken scene once again, but on a more serious level. Not just casual, and I don't know if you know some of our crew out here in the Tekken scene. Maybe if you go to Evo this year I'll see you there? Keep it up with these old school Tekken videos. Great blast from the past. By the way, there's a channel I stumbled on to here recently. It's a bunch of high level players in Tekken 3, and they play it regularly, even now. That group of people are out in India. I'll find a link to the channel and leave it here for you and others to check it out.
Damn i was at the edge of my seat watching that. Can't believe that was Ryan Hart all the way back then. Good on you PhiDX for bring this up this gem of a video, that was enjoyable.
I remember coming across these matches a few years back and being absolutely floored by the fact that Ryan Hart was beating people up way back in those days 😅 Also low parry *is* a thing in Tekken 3 from memory, but only certain characters could do it
11:41 you wouldn't say "both jabs hit." The proper term is 'jab-cross'. The punch from your dominant hand usually "crosses" your face when thrown 👍 great vid btw, Tekken is STILL 👑
Bro - a video where you lab tekken 3 and maybe play matches with a friend could be awesome. There's a version of Duckstation that has rollback netcode that could do this
Paul main since T3 here. I was lucky enough to work at a Namco Aladdin's Castle when this game was released at arcades in the US. We closed the gate, set it on free play, and would stay until the sun came up. A few tidbits to add. Paul missed the block on Heihachi 4,4,1 hellsweep/uppercut combo rather than an omen thunder god fist. Then back rolled into Hei's mid GF + that free lk. Heihachi tried u/f 4, with Paul blocking, followed by Hei trying to throw. Paul ducked, then attempted counter Heihachi's next mid/high. Hei didn't attack right away though, so Paul countered air. See that creeping right punch at 7:18 ? My guess is that was a missed Phoenix Smasher.(it was God like in T3). He immediately tried again like any good Paul would, and it landed. At 7:48 he played it right, and stayed put this time, not giving him a big hit for free. That counter at 12:14 was a chef's kiss. It was a real treat treat to see this footage.
Wow this is nostalgia at its finest... met Jeff Shu and his brother around that time thru Ben Curton (Tragic) in Vegas... Wow!!! I remember talking to him about this tournament, finally got to see it. This was way before Evo... Valle was still an unknown in the Tekken scene...
Man, this brings me back - wasting so many quarters playing Tekken 2 and 3 in the arcades as a kid, and then going over to friend's houses to play Tekken 3 on PS1 when it came out later on. I like to think I was half decent, but nowhere on this level obviously. I got really good at shutting down Eddy's shenanigans though because my dad (also named Eddy lol) would exclusively play him against me. 😂
I'm only two rounds into the first match and this is BANANAS. Your commentary is the only thing keeping me up to speed. Great video, perfect commentary.
Ryan is an absolute Legend and such a nice guy... I remember when a few from spanish community travelled to the UK in the early 2000 he was there too. I fought against him in TTT I think best of 5. I won the first round and he then proceeded to perfect me the rest :D I really need to digitize all the VHS I have from back then...
Low parry exists in T3, but is a comand 1+4+df (or d), or 2+3+df (or d), and gives a small combo for some chars, but if my memory doesnt betray me, only a limited amount of chars had the comand to low parry, Lei my main char had (mishimas i think dont had). i had play a lot T3 in arcade, and the record of consecutive wins in my city in T3 still mine and will die with me, 109 wins in the arcade, with Lei and King(you can switch chars betwen matches when challenged in arcade).
Nice video mate. Gamesmaster was a great show gorwing up in the 90s this was one of my favourite shows! i think this was actually the last episode of the shows original run. it always had great humour and showcased some great games. you should take a look back at some of the earlier seasons to see how in progressed and changed over the years. Dominik Diamond was the original host he left the show then returned in the later seasons which you see here. it started off as a tv show aimed and younger audiance airing around 6pm but by the last season of the show it had become a late night tv program airing around 8 or 9 pm on channel 4 which was our more unconvential tv channel in the uk.
Calipower taught me how to play mvs2 when i was a kid. My friend played on the monsters team for halo..but he told me when he went to japan that tekken 3 in arcade was nuts the level of game play they had over there..this isnt it.. but yea thats my story..
There used to be a brit gameshow where people would call in and play Tekken over the phone by hitting numbers lol. It was mad and the first time I ever saw Tekken and Virtua Fighter anywhere. Might have had Dominic Diamond presenting but can't remember.
These players are the reason that Tekken on the competitive level we got now even exists. They absolutely paved the way. This was before commercial esports when FGC was pure and all about the love of fighting games
at 10:11 yes it was low parry. Tekken 3's low parry command is d+3+4 or d+1+2. Universal for all characters. Wasn't until tag 1 low parry could be done using d/f, though tag 1 still retained the d+3+4 low parry animation.
Gamesmaster and CVG were always my monthly bibles, also watching the TV show in the morning with my friends brings back warm memories. Then eurotrash at night with volume turned down 😂
its not that they take a huge damage with demo man n stuff , the thing is max hp in tekken 3 was 100 if you dont max it out to 150 if can recall correctly , and in t7 its much larger
There was only a few characters with low parry in tekken 3, and the advantage was really strong. In tag, they gave everyone a universal low parry but the advantage window was lessened - so like a low jab that was parried in tag was pretty safe, but you’d eat alot of damage in tekken 3. RUclips wasn’t around yet and you were only as good as your local competition. Knowledge was a big factor/advantage and before youtube - gimmicks alone were sometimes enough to win a tournament. Paul’s low sweep/death fist 50/50 was dangerous in tekken 3, but in tag, the sweep stagger weakened Paul quite a bit. The power of mishimas and wavedashing didn’t become widely known until the tag world tournament when the Korean player seok dong min pretty much brought it to the masses. He was a yoshi/lei player but during the tournament he played Jin and showed some of his power (incidentally, he won that world tournament and ushered in the Koreans dominance of the game - and he wasn’t even their best player). Prior to that tournament, USA and JPN were considered the strongest players. Frame data wasn’t a thing yet, and stuff like 1,2,2 from true ogre wasn’t widely known to be safe. And his unblockable mixups etc weren’t widely known until a Korean player introduced his dominance (tag days, I forgot his name tho but he came to USA once and won electric cancel - this was maybe the last major tag tournament before tekken 4 was released). In the last days of tekken 3 (when it was being played competitively in USA at least), I’d say law/Paul/jin/Nina were still considered among the top tiers. In tag, the game lasted pretty long and the top tiers changed during its lifespan. But I recall mishimas, ogres, Bruce being the top tiers in the end of the games lifespan
I used to love this after school every day around 5.30pm and the GAMES MASTER was Sir Patrick Moore who was an absolute genius on planets and the solar system truly on the same wave length as Albert Einstein!, R.i.p Sir Patrick!.
Whoa, perfect timing since i've been going down a rabbit hole of modern-era Tekken 3 & Tag 1 tournaments lately - thank you for covering this! Going to infodump a little on TK3:
- The character choices on this show are...not *entirely* off the modern meta. India has a very active scene for this game and they absolutely LOVE Paul over there! Though i'm not positive on this, i think deathfist was much safer in 3 and Tag 1 was when they nerfed that and basically crippled him as a result. Heihachi is also probably #3 among the cast for the usual "Mishimas in old games" reasons + that runaway you saw. It's just that nobody was playing the characters who have long been considered god-tier. Speaking of...
- One of the characters most conspicuously absent here was Jin. One thing a lot of people may not know is that EWGF was introduced in Tekken 3...but *only* Jin had it! Heihachi was given his EWGF in Tag 1, and Kazuya not until 4. Laser Scraper/Cannon is also all-around excellent in 3 & Tag 1, even if it didn't have the broken JF from 4. Another major advantage Jin had over Hei was iWS2, as a fast mid launcher that wasn't launch-punishable itself. Funny enough, Jin was nerfed in a way in the PSX version - the original arcade release allowed him to dash cancel in between the 2 hits of d/f+1,2 and this gave him infinite combos/blockstrings!
- The other character people may be surprised not to see on the show is Ogre. Since Tekken Tag 1 is a much more well-documented game than 3, i won't go into too much detail as most of his bullshit you can read about was there in 3 as well. The key difference that elevates him to god-tier, though, is the fact that Waning Moon was COMPLETELY UNBREAKABLE in 3. Read that last sentence one more time if it didn't hit you right away.
- Tekken 3 had one massively busted general property that, among other things, ended up making True Ogre a far cry from the menace he is in Tag 1. You know the generic running 3 that caused block stagger? In Tekken 3, they *couldn't block* during that stagger. This means you could get all sorts of guaranteed shit from those on block, from Bryan's f,f+2 all the way up to EWGF if your execution is on point! True Ogre's unique problem here is that running 3 hits GROUNDED vs. him, so any knockdown puts him in these completely horrible situations where he either has to continually eat those grounded hits or wake up into the running 3 (either getting knocked down again to reset the situation, or blocking it and still getting hit with something).
- To add to other comments, Paul first gained Ultimate Punishment in Tekken 2. May have just been nerves that made Ryan miss it there.
- After Jin/Ogre/Heihachi, some other real strong characters are Ling + Lei + Law. Ling's usual evasiveness combined well with the cracked movement in this game, and her WS2 was a 13f mid launcher that was completely safe on block. She also had great mixup potential from her juggles if you were willing to sacrifice just a little bit of guaranteed damage. Lei's stance mixups have never been better than they were in his 3/Tag 1 incarnation, and this was also when he first got Haha Step. Law was pretty funny for the simple fact that his 3,4 was a natural combo, especially when his punch parry gave him enough time to dash up and land it guaranteed. This was also when he first got Junkyard, and you saw the work it was doing lol
Extra note about the running 3 connecting on block; I think Law is the only character in the entire game who doesn't get anything guaranteed, since he oddly doesn't get "true" frame advantage off it.
if you don't mind, I want to add another fact that not every char. in Tekken 3 could do a low parry. Low parries were done through inputs like d+1+3 for certain chars. You can still find this in Xiaoyu's BT d+1+4; that low parry is similar to the old one from T3 & TTT1. When you do a low parry in T3 there's animation when the parry whiffs, but it recovers quickly, so you can hold down, go FC. And thus it's possible to create FC or WS mixups from executing a low parry.
I really appreciate you writing this up, I’d love to see more competitive tekken 3
@@andymrbyes not every character,I think Yoshimitsu could low parry too
paul is probably the worst of the viable characters. like he isn't bad just in T3 the good characters have something mad cheap, jin's electric and hellsweep, ogre's waining moon and brutal block punishement. ling's evasion and oki, hei's block punishment and pressure, even outside that you mentioned law, lei, even characters like nina and yoshi were stronger than paul, yoshi's keep out and surprisingly good MU's against the top tiers, and nina's mix purely off of block is nothing to be scoffed at. compared to that paul just kinda... had paul stuff. every other high tier had something cheap. i'd put him just under king as while he is fundamentally more solid. king still had his silly i10 punish. which made up for the character otherwise being lacking.
IF ANYONE HAS AN INTEREST IN T3 THE GAME HAS ROLLBACK OVER DUCKSTATION. YOU SHOULD GIVE IT A GO!!!
also the netplay is better than t8's netplay lol .
Legend says that if you look in the background of the first ever caveman paintings, you will see Ryan Hart on an arcade cabinet playing Tekken 3 and whooping everybody
I knew he was og but I didn't realise he was this og and that there was footage like this rofl. Reminds me of Cheeze TV in AUS.
@@EraseTime rekt
@@EraseTimewhat else a kazuya is supposed to do.
His son is Billy Mitchell.
I mean to be fair, there are plenty of pros who started with Tekken 1, beta or location test. It’s crazy, definition of OGs who lived through it all and still play
Tekken 3 is widely considered the Golden era of Tekken as everyone who had a ps1 played it. I can't believe how well the game animations still hold up til this day.
Tekken 3 was my first fighting game and also one of the 1st 3D games I ever played . Made me fall in love with fighting games and the rest is history. This game would always have a special place in my heart .
Animations looks unreal considering the age of the game.
Huge jump from T2, and only small changes from 3 onwards
Still my favorite fighting game despite the fact I'm garbage at Tekken
@@kylespevak6781 Sadly relatable
Watching old tekken being played properly is so wild to me cuz being 10 yrs old at the time i never knew this game could be played like this and not be a mash fest.
It's actually wild yeah, our brains attuned to Eddy / Law Flip Spam / brazenly just letting Paul Burning fist rip, and these guys are actually playing fighting games properly lol
@@GuntanksInSpaceI remember playing T3 when i was a kid back in like 2006 on our computer, all we did was spam, eddy kicks spam, law uf4 spam, and alof of 1+2s and 3+4s with every character, i didn't even know crouch dash was a thing. Infact i didn't find out about stuff like qcf qcb hcf hcb cd low parries etc until Pakistan burst into the international tekken scene and took it by storm, i started watching tournaments in 2019 to see my countrymen play and got to know about the most basic to advance tekken stuff i never knew about. It was exciting to find out that there's so much more to this game.
@@hassancr13 It's actually funny, I started playing fighting games with 2D, but it was Tekken 3's movelist to teach me what the hell were the QCFs/QCBs after picking up Paul for a bit. It took me until Tag 1 to learn what the hell was a Mishima Crouch Dash (and what the star meant in the move list lol).
Also an aside, I got to watch some of your countrymen dominate a local tournament in 2022, they were cool peeps too!
For T3 I had memorized all the 10 hit combos of every character and all of the multi-throw combinations. I likely still would've lost to any good player though. Back then fighting games were all about special moves, I saw little value in regular moves. And to me the 10-hit combos were essentially special moves.
It was hell of a mash fest in T3😂😂. No mashing here cos is a tournament with pros. Casuals mash literally all the time.
Its the same as it is now in t7. Pro's in tournament prioritize movement. Casuals mash
Games Master was an institution in the UK. Totally iconic show. Shame they cancelled it. BTW if you were wondering about the old dude's face in the sun, that's The Games Master, who was portrayed not by an actor but by Sir Patrick Moore, who was the UK's Royal Astronomer and hosted a TV show called The Sky at Night since 1957. (He was basically like David Attenborough, except he talked about space). Normally the Games Master wore a cyber techno helmet and appeared on a screen like he was some kind of AI. Fun times.
There's a fantastic book out about the history of it called "GamesMaster: The Oral History" written by Dominik Diamond.
Ah takes me back! I was in the audience in one episode.
Good riddance Misogntsic waste of space
Too many women on the stage what the hell?
I'm just surprised they showed respect to the players and the games. Normally on these shows back then in the us they were normally super disrespectful and making fun of the "gamers". Glad UK got it right.
This sort of thing is why those of us that remember the 90s, miss the 90s. It was a strange fun time.
it wouldn't be hyperbole or melodramatic to say that the world as we knew it ended the day the towers fell.
@@BronzeAgePepper After the Patriot Act of 02, the War on Middle Class, titled "the war on Terror" started.
@@BronzeAgePepper I have to agree.
@@ΦιλήσυχοςΠολίτηςit's legitimately crazy how much the Patriot Act made everything worse.
While I agree that cultural aspects of the 90's such as the music and gaming were great the people back then were complete and utter C U Next Tuesdays at least in Britain. I don't know if it was because of the high unemployment, people being skint & bored or a reflection of the Tory scum in charge. You couldn't go more than 20 feet from your front door without being in a verbal or physical altercation or witnessing one. I don't miss that part of it.
How effing cool is this reaction! I am 41 & from the UK and GamesMaster was the absolute must-watch TV growing up back between 1993 & 1998. I was actually in the crowd for an episode in their 3rd season, which was set in a prison. I met someone that won a golden joystick too 👍
Dude !!! That must of been amazing 🎉🎉🎉🎉 you have footage ?
Gamesmaster and Euro Trash were every teenage boys religious watch growing up in 90s UK.
PhiDX, you're one hell of a guy for bringing this up. You literally just unearthed a bit of nostalgia for me as an old brit.
me too, I still feel for the family playing Castlevania: Symphony of the Night as only their youngest son was told how to get the hearts - none of the other members of the family
Yea man - Loved Gamesmaster as a kid. It definitley got a bit "out there" in the later series!
A lot of this is faked, they did a Tetsujin show where one top level Japanese guy took on 100 other players, but he actually lost multiple times off camera to kids who just spammed the buttons :D
Ryan Hart telling RIP he has won more tournaments than RIP will ever enter is still one of the funniest Tekken commentary moments. There just wasn't enough video evidence back then.
I always thought this might be actually true
@@JAGtheTrekkieGEMINI1701It was most definitely true and he has the Guinness to prove it. That was a very pivotal moment for him. He finally spoke up for himself after I personally was one of the few for him, the last two decades.
If you're on the older end of the millennial generation, grew up in the UK and enjoyed gaming, you know this programme. The humour is very 90s UK and the girls are probably Page 3 models who would appear in the national newspapers on page 3 with their tits out (not kidding).
The guy in the sun is the world famous astronomer Sir Patrick Moore, who passed away a decade or two ago having also fronted the UK's most popular astronomy programme for about half a century.
Nice
What Ryan Hart said about being able to see the hit sparks in Tekken was always one of the main reasons I could never see other 3D fighters competing with it for me. Idk why the other 3D fighters didn't adopt hit sparks because for me it looks so janky without it because you can see that hits aren't actually connecting with the characters all the time.
Hit sparks help to cover that up making the combat feel more impactful and less jarring to look at.
because other 3D fgs think not having hitsparks makes their game look more realistic
@@lancergt1000 It makes it look less realistic to me because the character juggles still exist (which are always going to be unrealistic) but then the lack of hits sparks also highlights that the characters don't actually have to have their hits visually connect in order to land, which I think seems even more unrealistic.
For me it's the opposite, hitsparks are there to fill in and make it look more flashy and action like when people are juggled etc.
In DoA the hits connect more without sparks because the combat is different and connects more
@@Redcloudsrocks I agree with you in the sense that it makes combat more flashy as opposed to realistic. But I don't really know what you mean by it's different in DOA because "it connects more".
And for me DOA will always look a little janky as long as it doesn't have hit sparks :/
Those hit sparks also hide flaws in animations too. You ever seen how Kazuya looks doing a hell sweep? Man literally breaks his back lol
Ryan hart used to ask me to play a round on killer instinct and tekken in the arcade when he was a youngster and he didnt have the money to play video games,still in contact with him now
This made me realize that as a kid there was a whole world hiding behind the arcades that I didn’t know about while I was mashing buttons with my dad 😂
Lmfao 10 hit combo was our PEWGF back then.
🤣🤣 PEWGF is gold
Thats because the internet is not yet a thing back then. I remember we only know moves of the characters from the panel of the arcade machine, its like a sticker or a cardboard inserted in there.
But these local guy who is really good told us that he gets the moves and combos from the internet and we dont know yet what that is back then.
The movies were all true!! There really was an underground of events and gatherings for videogames!!!!
As an adult now I'll just make them myself
lol i was only like 4 in 1998, but somehow, still the world seemed way better back then to me. I'm glad we still have these old gems that get uploaded to youtube so the next gen can look back like a time machine. Awesome vid and channel!
Debbie may have won, but I believe we're all winners today.
This was amazing, the public demands more of this. Old-school reviews of tournaments will be awesome, make this a reoccurring thing.
Really makes you understand how much of a legend Ryan Hart is considering he's still a monster at Tekken even today
and well-respected in the SF community too
Crazy thing is that he isn't just good at Tekken. He is like extremely good at almost every fighting game from old all the way to current generation. But probably more better at the older fighting games. I mainly only knew about him from when he played Capcom v.s. SNK 2 at first, but never knew he was also huge into Tekken before.
I love old tekken. No rage bars, no ping pong juggling, no climatic super specials.
Only rule in tekken 3 is: 50% of moves do half bar, lol
Old Tekken was filled with big damage short combos
@@lukejones7164Because it wasn't about endless juggling, wall splats and 110 damage strings.
@@seanyoung9014 You missed the point 🤣. Old Tekken was more broken because you could get more damage with fewer moves so it didn't need long juggle combos, wall splats, rage, etc and BS upsets were more common back in the day
@@lukejones7164 I didn't miss anything. I've been playing since Tekken 1 and the point was to not get hit by those combos in the first place. There was far more focus on defense in both Tekken and Virtua Fighter and pretty much every 3D fighter because the character movement wasn't as good. Also, on the old console versions the damage was adjustable so that wasn't even a big factor outside of arcades. Calling old Tekken more broken is pretty ridiculous.
this video randomly popped up on my feed, I wasn't even a person into the competitive tekken scene but thank you algorithm, this is great content that I didn't know I needed !
This footage did a lot to help archive the competitive Furlong scene/meta.
I still think there some old tournament t3 archives on old Tekken zaibatsu
I feel like they could've better managed their whip meter
@@konodioda7209 r/woosh
@@konodioda7209you can still access TZ? Teach me.
@@konodioda7209Furlong and T3 , just like the movies
Aaahhh the 90's ..only been downhill from there.. thankyou for your added knowledge to that..was a gem from the past for sure..
There's no universal low parry in Tekken 3, only some characters had a command low parry like Law or Paul
Yes and as long as I remember if you parry any kick moves you can launch but not for punch moves
Law,lei,Nina,yosh xiouyue had low perry😊
Hwoarang had low parry too
Bryan had the command low parry too.
@@RescueArkthink Julia had it too, at least she had it in tekken tag
Korean backdashing was really introduced in Tekken Tag 1 pioneered by Jiang Iksu. Movement was increased as well. Theses were the days of fundamentals and outsmarting your opponent,good times indeed.
Wavedash definitely started to become famous by the time of Tag 1 as used by the pro Koreans like Jang Iksu, but it existed back in T3 as well. Did not exist in T2 or T1.
Its not introduced in tekken tag. Actually it came first in tekken 3. Trust me. I am started playing tekken. 3 when i was 15 years old,1999. I saw it in arcade. When the side stepping introduced tekken, backdash and front dash and that Korean dash were there already.
back then people were'nt calling it Korean backdashing it was just know as backdash, the D- riding wasnt hard during TTT1 like it is now
@@AC-LING666 no. It was Korean backdash back then too.
@@CS.AtheistChannel.VoteBidenAOC No it wasnt i was active on TekkenZaibatsu and the korean Tekken Central Forum during 2000 up to 2006 and everyone just called it backdash
22:12 THE WAY I SCREAMED HOLY SHIT TEKKEN IS HYPE NO MATTER THE ERA
BRO HE DIDNT JUST PARRY THE LOW, HE QUICK STOOD, BLOCKED THE FIRST HIT AND THEN PARRIED. WHAT A GOD
@@TheOnlyPersona in tekken 3 heihachi 1st hell sweep just did a little electric damage, it didn't knock down
I don't even play games like this but this video is so fun to watch. Especially how much you are into competitive fighting games. All the jargon and excitement really made it entertaining.
Dude this is a great find! Made my day. I’d love to hear Ryan Hart talk about his experience on the show
I was thinking just that! We gotta get Ryan to talk about this
He was on a podcast recently with Chris Tatarian. He goes over his past and they discuss current FGC, check it out
The 90's and early 2000's were so packed with entertainment I watched cabel TV for days each country had something to offer.
BRO I WAS TUNED IN to these matches! some of the hypest matches i've seen in a while. this was great, we need more of this!
'sall cool and that but can we make "Watching 90s gaming tv shows together with PhiDX" a series? Shit was hilarious to watch 🤣🤣🤣
we goin variety boys....
@@PhiDX hey - you said you enjoy content creation as much as competing! 😉
either way, this one was a good find! was kinda surprised Ryan didn't show any mishima gameplay there
THIS is why I love your channel man. I'm constantly watching all kinds of Tekken media as a total nerd and yet you never fail to amaze me with these obscure finds. Not to mention your commentary and insight. MORE. PLEASE.
Also damn young Ryan Hart was already looking scary.
Love your content man. I go to the gym to look like a tekken character only to come home and watch your vids in order to fight like one. Good content, good audio quality, solid advice. Thanks man
Dude this is amazing. Just imagine if you teleported to the past
and you knew KBD you'd be a beast just for movement alone Lmao.
That is true. But then again KBD is a direct result of the players who competed back then in the past. They came up with all the tech we use today
Awesome!! I had no idea this even existed so big ty for bringing this up man!
Was so crazy seeing young Ryan Hart. Final Furlong was at the arcade where my brother worked. We loved when the ladies would play. My first experience with T3 was a cowboy on the sticks doing King's chain grabs and no one knew how to break them. I learned King pretty soon after that.
That Furlong game was at the same arcade I used to frequent on the daily over 20 years ago.
Man I thought I was the only one here experienced final furlong in the arcade here in Philippines back when I was a kid. Man what a nostalgia ride back then. Props to Namco and Sega for making interactive arcade games in the past.
Would you stop Degrading women please. Anyone can play. An Android can play anything. Simple as that
Are you serious right now lol
I was in professional tourney in 1998 (managed to land in top 20 in my country). This video is so heartwarming, makes me reminiscing about the past.. Thanks for the memory ❤
Very impressive Tekken displayed IMO, considering in 1998 these players had far less tools to what we have now. No practice mode* , no frame data**, far less 'Tekken tech' were shared on the internet, no online play so they had to travel to different arcades to learn different character match ups, and so on.
Imagine if these 4 players were born much later and competed in Tekken 7 or 8, in their teens/early 20s.
footnote:
* Tekken 3 on PS1 had practice mode but this was definitely recorded far before the game was released on PS1. Season 7 episode 9; aired on 27th Jan 1998. While PS1 T3 port was launched in Japan 26th March, North America 30th April, Europe 12th September.
* * back in the late 90s & the early 2000s frame data were featured in Japanese game guides AFAIK; rarely found anywhere else. There were definitely efforts made to gather & publish frame data for free on the internet, such as the ones featured on TekkenZaibatsu, but the earliest frame data they had were for Tekken Tag 1.
the games were also much simpler in the t3/tag 1 era. like KBD and movement in general was so strong that for the most part the barrage of knowledge checks and pressure just didn't exist. as anytime someone made you block a string. you had the choice of dealing with it with it's specific counter (duck the high, side step the liniar move, low parry the low etc) OR you could just KBD. 1 backdash in t3 was like 3 tekken 7 backdashes and faster too. so KBD was the low risk low reward option, it's what made t3 and tag 1 such neutral heavy games.
That is very true, these guys were so ahead of their time.
But I think it wouldn’t make a difference if they were born in the T7 era and modern, competitive gaming. That’s a bit of a paradox.
The reason we got players today that mastered KBD, crazy tech with insane reflexes and game plan is only thanks to these guys.
They paved the way. And no one was on their level in the 90s.
If they were born later, some other crazy gods would have been there in the past to mark the beginnings of competitive tekken and fighting games.
I was actually around at that time.. These guys hung around Namco Wonderpark in Shaftbury's Ave...Sho actually brang the golden joystick to Namco WP to show his mate.. by 1998 Namco held a Tekken 3 tournament.. By than Ryan levelled up so much he was literally unbeatable...The guy from Norway entered... He had levelled up as well and was beating everyone getting 20+ win streaks... But everytime Ryan faced him.. He never could win.. Ryan had his number.. Around this time there was this tall Skinney Indian player who was also at that Ryan Hart level.. dunno his name though.. Those arcade days were the best...
I played all the Tekken games. I'm 46. Heihachi was so powerful. That double palm would counter so much. Just being able to do the f, d, df, EWGF or hell sweep.. so strong... Got speed nerfed later on. Tekken 4 started slowing down Heihachi so you could see his moves easily. T3 and TTT1 Mishimas are OP.
Fun fact: Eddy Gordo was the sole reason low parry was added to Tekken 😅
yea idk anything about tekken or fighting games really but eddy looks OP AF
You could jump over Eddy strings for free in T3 and he'd be back turned for ever completing animations.
@@moots2874 He's still extremely jumpable, well in Tekken 7.
Only ones that I hated fighting as much as Eddy were Gon and Dr B.
I believe it. I spammed the hell out of that windmill kick back in the day 😅
Tekken 3 is what got me into Tekken. Watching someone get kicked into the air and then helplessly juggled like a ball by a psychotic clown blew me away
This is a damn gold mine of endless entertainment!
That host was pretty funny. You had good commentary, too, man. I'm a casual from back-in-the-day, and I barely knew what was going on, but Tekken is still awesome 😁 I like how Hoisten* got humbled and the regular guy won. Also cool without all the rematches and best-out-of matches.
I genuinely loved watching this video along with someone so enthusiastic, your commentary adds a lot.
I'm an old(er) fart, I'm 40, from England. When Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo came out, there was a free giveaway taped to the front of a magazine that was as thick as a phone book. It had EVERYTHING in it, all the terminology, all the frame data, safe/unsafe etc etc. It was genuinely overwhelming to the point I took it with me to read on my holidays. I used to take my little MK2 handbook with me to the arcades to try and enter cheats/do fatalities.
And honestly, I must have been staring at the artwork because it took me until watching tournaments in the fighting game community online and crazy combo videos to start actually figuring this stuff out. I would have been button mashing X and O as Tiger/Eddy back when Tekken 3 came out.
Bro, what a throwback! I was a major GamesMaster fan, I use to collect the magazines. I literally have about 300+ GM mags in the attic/loft! Great find PhiDX, appreciate you sharing it in reaction content form.
It's very funny and interesting to see the commentary difference between then and now. Idk if it's about time period or the audience that this was for, or maybe both.
Probably audience
Games Master was just a general videogames TV show. The host doesn't really know anything about Tekken.
I mean the guy doesn’t really know tekken. I’m giving him the benefit of a doubt because he’s doing his hosting quite well but this could also just be a job for the guy
Im actually amazed by how T3 animations looks still good to this day
The lack of Jin is actually very surprising! What a tournament!
Everyone at the time knew jin was stupid OP, even outside tournaments.@@Steponmeplease-gy8es
@@Steponmeplease-gy8es - I never got the impression that T4 Jin was ever slept on. His parry was very quickly discovered to be the most broken crap ever.
Brother, this show was legendary for us as kids / young teenagers growing up in early to mid 90s England. We had no internet, it wasn't in the home when this first came on TV. There were monthly Gaming magazines which were our only source of news, but often they were a bit behind what was going on as they were monthly / bi-monthly. So, Channel 4 Gamemaster, with world famous astronomer Sir Patrick Moore as Games Master, with rough n ready Dominic Diamond presenting - this WAS our guide to the world of home consoles, games, arcade trends etc. We looked forward to this show on Channel 4 ALL WEEK!!!!
Great to see you watching it! The 90s was an incredible time to grow up, with the massive developments in home games systems!!!
And suddenly I realize you’ve become a cool enough YT personality that I enjoy experiencing things along with you. So keep making video game related reaction content (tekken focused as is your niche) alongside your analysis and you’ve really got something!
(Comment before finishing video, curious about the fights still)
When watching the into it reminded me of a 90’s Radiohead music video and Trainspotting. When he opened his mouth and was clearly Scottish it all made sense.
Back in Tekken 3 Heihachi's hellsweep didnt stagger on block if you hit its just frame, its so nuts 😂
The just frame thing is from t4, in the it just straight up didn't stagger.
No. It straight up does not stagger. Lmao
Yeah, what @ultralowspekken said. It was Tekken 4 where you could do it with just frame inputs. Tekken 4, in general, added a lot of just frame stuff. Most of it has been removed since.
Nah, it just doesn't stagger, moves staggering on block was added in tag1
@@aryanburnwal2371 bruh thats even more insane
Da legend, Ryan Hart! Was very unexpected to see him on this odd-ball show, that I've no recollection of, except the spec- wearing, bald Scottsman ( seen him before ). The earliest stages of offline tournaments then, were just the tip of the iceberg 🧊
Glad you retreived this footage, PhiDX 👌😉
Question: Who's going to be your main in Tekken 8 🤔
22:29 "It must've been stage nerves, too many women on the stage."
I'd be nervous too if I was playing Tekken 3 on a beach with many women in bikinis cheering me on
The cut to the galloping on the horse was fn great
If you haven't already, I'd highly recommend the tekken ball tournament. It should be easy to find, but the meta is crazy in that game. I think it was law vs true orge, where true orge has some nuts check mate situations with fire but I believe the law had good counter play too. It's honestly way better than it has any right to be
This was so fun to watch! I miss Tekken 3. Used to play the whole neighborhood on PS1 back in the day. Good times.
The Japanese champion played it right, he recognised that it's a short set so he cheeeeeesed😂🔥
This might be the single best thing I've ever seen, thank you, instant subscribe. Thank you for finding this fucking gem. Great video!!!
17:05 Absolutely best moment right there!
Holy shit!!!
Yes
10 seconds from 90s entertainment is much more entertaining than 1 hours of todays entertainment
Yo PhiDX. This was quite a blast from the past. My experience with Tekken has always been me playing on a casual level. 20 years ago here in Tucson was the Tekken Tag 1 scene. I used to watch my friends play that game all the time. But I was playing Street Fighter and VS games back then. I even went to Evo back in 2003, and at the time it was known as the Battle by the bay series. I went to B4. I met and saw a bunch of the high level players at the time. I'm planning on going to Evo this year for Tekken 8, and even if I get blown up it'll still be a great experience. I'm playing with the Tucson Tekken scene once again, but on a more serious level. Not just casual, and I don't know if you know some of our crew out here in the Tekken scene. Maybe if you go to Evo this year I'll see you there? Keep it up with these old school Tekken videos. Great blast from the past. By the way, there's a channel I stumbled on to here recently. It's a bunch of high level players in Tekken 3, and they play it regularly, even now. That group of people are out in India. I'll find a link to the channel and leave it here for you and others to check it out.
What a great video with great energy and commentary. Subscribed.
Somehow I never saw this show growing up, I would have loved this
I watched this a while back with my mate. Absolutely mind-blowing how outrageously '90s UK' this thing comes off. Decent vid dude
Damn i was at the edge of my seat watching that. Can't believe that was Ryan Hart all the way back then. Good on you PhiDX for bring this up this gem of a video, that was enjoyable.
I remember coming across these matches a few years back and being absolutely floored by the fact that Ryan Hart was beating people up way back in those days 😅
Also low parry *is* a thing in Tekken 3 from memory, but only certain characters could do it
9:00 I didn't know KYLO REN was so good at Tekken
all part of his jedi training
So funny seeing an American discovering GamesMaster for the first time. This show was the absolute GOAT in the 90s.
Up there with eurotrash. Prime TV right there.
11:41 you wouldn't say "both jabs hit." The proper term is 'jab-cross'. The punch from your dominant hand usually "crosses" your face when thrown 👍 great vid btw, Tekken is STILL 👑
This is so sick. Do more retro content! Maybe watching Tekken 5 Evo matches or something?
Bro - a video where you lab tekken 3 and maybe play matches with a friend could be awesome. There's a version of Duckstation that has rollback netcode that could do this
Paul main since T3 here. I was lucky enough to work at a Namco Aladdin's Castle when this game was released at arcades in the US.
We closed the gate, set it on free play, and would stay until the sun came up.
A few tidbits to add.
Paul missed the block on Heihachi 4,4,1 hellsweep/uppercut combo rather than an omen thunder god fist. Then back rolled into Hei's mid GF + that free lk. Heihachi tried u/f 4, with Paul blocking, followed by Hei trying to throw. Paul ducked, then attempted counter Heihachi's next mid/high. Hei didn't attack right away though, so Paul countered air. See that creeping right punch at 7:18 ? My guess is that was a missed Phoenix Smasher.(it was God like in T3). He immediately tried again like any good Paul would, and it landed. At 7:48 he played it right, and stayed put this time, not giving him a big hit for free. That counter at 12:14 was a chef's kiss. It was a real treat treat to see this footage.
What’s funniest is how the guy watching misses all the jokes / humour. Gamesmaster was special.
Bro, when the host says at 18:15 "girls that was very exciting to watch... Now if we can talk about the race..." I was creasing.
man. Surprise gameplay of Namco's Final Furlong. Really wasn't expecting that, though it's right for the Tekken 3 era.
Wow this is nostalgia at its finest... met Jeff Shu and his brother around that time thru Ben Curton (Tragic) in Vegas... Wow!!! I remember talking to him about this tournament, finally got to see it.
This was way before Evo... Valle was still an unknown in the Tekken scene...
Winner got 20quid and a ham sandwich 😢
Man, this brings me back - wasting so many quarters playing Tekken 2 and 3 in the arcades as a kid, and then going over to friend's houses to play Tekken 3 on PS1 when it came out later on.
I like to think I was half decent, but nowhere on this level obviously. I got really good at shutting down Eddy's shenanigans though because my dad (also named Eddy lol) would exclusively play him against me. 😂
This was so enjoyable to watch, was not expecting the ryan hart jumpscare. What an amazing piece of media
I'm only two rounds into the first match and this is BANANAS. Your commentary is the only thing keeping me up to speed. Great video, perfect commentary.
Ryan is an absolute Legend and such a nice guy... I remember when a few from spanish community travelled to the UK in the early 2000 he was there too. I fought against him in TTT I think best of 5. I won the first round and he then proceeded to perfect me the rest :D I really need to digitize all the VHS I have from back then...
Man those times seriously I miss them soooooooooooooooo much.... This is gold in my book , I love this ....
Low parry exists in T3, but is a comand 1+4+df (or d), or 2+3+df (or d), and gives a small combo for some chars, but if my memory doesnt betray me, only a limited amount of chars had the comand to low parry, Lei my main char had (mishimas i think dont had). i had play a lot T3 in arcade, and the record of consecutive wins in my city in T3 still mine and will die with me, 109 wins in the arcade, with Lei and King(you can switch chars betwen matches when challenged in arcade).
Nice video mate. Gamesmaster was a great show gorwing up in the 90s this was one of my favourite shows! i think this was actually the last episode of the shows original run. it always had great humour and showcased some great games. you should take a look back at some of the earlier seasons to see how in progressed and changed over the years. Dominik Diamond was the original host he left the show then returned in the later seasons which you see here. it started off as a tv show aimed and younger audiance airing around 6pm but by the last season of the show it had become a late night tv program airing around 8 or 9 pm on channel 4 which was our more unconvential tv channel in the uk.
Calipower taught me how to play mvs2 when i was a kid. My friend played on the monsters team for halo..but he told me when he went to japan that tekken 3 in arcade was nuts the level of game play they had over there..this isnt it.. but yea thats my story..
3:16 nasty work gilzzy globler
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There used to be a brit gameshow where people would call in and play Tekken over the phone by hitting numbers lol. It was mad and the first time I ever saw Tekken and Virtua Fighter anywhere. Might have had Dominic Diamond presenting but can't remember.
The positive vibes, the fun, the freedom!! We need the 90s back!!
That zoom in on Ryan Hart was nutts 😅
What a blast from the past, seeing how he pulled out eddie when he started losing brings back so many arcade memories
16:24 😂 I love seeing americans struggle to understand our accents
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These players are the reason that Tekken on the competitive level we got now even exists. They absolutely paved the way. This was before commercial esports when FGC was pure and all about the love of fighting games
The player icons are sooo daang good. Bring it back 🤣🤣🤣
This was dope! I played Tekken 1 back in the arcades, yes I'm old. Thanks for the memories!
Would love to see you analyze more classic tekken. Kenbou vs Jackie Tran for TTT1 is one of my all time favs !
3 is still my fav after 5. Two classics that stood the test of time so well.
T3 is such a great game to watch as well as play. Still holds up.
The reason why he’s the sun at 4:14 because it was a parody from the sun in “Teletubbies” which was the most popular children’s show in 1998 😭
at 10:11 yes it was low parry. Tekken 3's low parry command is d+3+4 or d+1+2. Universal for all characters. Wasn't until tag 1 low parry could be done using d/f, though tag 1 still retained the d+3+4 low parry animation.
I don't yet think it was universal - at least not on PS1. Law, Lei, Xiaoyu definitely had it from memory.
@@TheTrueHeroes And Julia.
Thank you for sharing this, I live in the UK and watched this religiously along with buying the magazine. Great memories and a lot of fun.😊
Gamesmaster and CVG were always my monthly bibles, also watching the TV show in the morning with my friends brings back warm memories. Then eurotrash at night with volume turned down 😂
its not that they take a huge damage with demo man n stuff , the thing is max hp in tekken 3 was 100 if you dont max it out to 150 if can recall correctly , and in t7 its much larger
The ratio of pokes damage to combo damage is what I'm referring to mainly
There was only a few characters with low parry in tekken 3, and the advantage was really strong. In tag, they gave everyone a universal low parry but the advantage window was lessened - so like a low jab that was parried in tag was pretty safe, but you’d eat alot of damage in tekken 3. RUclips wasn’t around yet and you were only as good as your local competition. Knowledge was a big factor/advantage and before youtube - gimmicks alone were sometimes enough to win a tournament. Paul’s low sweep/death fist 50/50 was dangerous in tekken 3, but in tag, the sweep stagger weakened Paul quite a bit. The power of mishimas and wavedashing didn’t become widely known until the tag world tournament when the Korean player seok dong min pretty much brought it to the masses. He was a yoshi/lei player but during the tournament he played Jin and showed some of his power (incidentally, he won that world tournament and ushered in the Koreans dominance of the game - and he wasn’t even their best player). Prior to that tournament, USA and JPN were considered the strongest players. Frame data wasn’t a thing yet, and stuff like 1,2,2 from true ogre wasn’t widely known to be safe. And his unblockable mixups etc weren’t widely known until a Korean player introduced his dominance (tag days, I forgot his name tho but he came to USA once and won electric cancel - this was maybe the last major tag tournament before tekken 4 was released). In the last days of tekken 3 (when it was being played competitively in USA at least), I’d say law/Paul/jin/Nina were still considered among the top tiers. In tag, the game lasted pretty long and the top tiers changed during its lifespan. But I recall mishimas, ogres, Bruce being the top tiers in the end of the games lifespan
seem like a good time to be alive.
It really was. ☺👍
I used to love this after school every day around 5.30pm and the GAMES MASTER was Sir Patrick Moore who was an absolute genius on planets and the solar system truly on the same wave length as Albert Einstein!, R.i.p Sir Patrick!.