living in Sweden and surrounded by sometimes extreme weather conditions which can change very fast during the day , Trangia Original Alcohol burner works all the time and there is a reason why they are made of brass, reliable sturdy burner, all other copy the already perfected recipe, u can't rediscover the wheel ;)
I'm still using a burner from a Mini Trangia I bought in 1988 for rock climbing days and backpacking long distance trails. My first long distance trail attempt was the Pennine Way in 87 where I used a Camping Gaz butane, where I failed, having to give up at Tan Hill because trenchfoot had slowed me down so much. Getting fuel had also become an issue. I finished from Tan Hill to Kirk Yetholme a much wiser man, carrying a lot less weight and wearing gaiters over my boots to stop them getting sodden. For base camping, I now use the Trangia burner with a 12cm Zebra Billy slotted into a 140cm kitchen storage canister without the lid when packed and inserted in about 3cm resting on aluminium tent pegs, placed through holes I drilled, pot stands. For backpacking I use a Stanley Adventure pot with a similar stove made out of a chilli can and a boiled sweet tin as a base. I use a homemade pop can centre chimney fire burner for lightness instead of the Trangia. Like the Zebra's stove, the Stanley sits down in the can, but I made wire coat hanger cut off for pot stands which I store in the boiled sweet tin when packed. The burner slots into one of the green cups. I also have the Swiss Ranger Volcano Stove which I use on day hikes mostly. I found the Trangia too fierce for that, flame was coming out of the top vents making the cup's wire handle too hot to handle without gloves. I made a smaller one out of pop cans to the same design as the Trangia, cut the bottle cork down in order that the burner reservoir could be placed upside down over the cork and bottle neck, and the cup fitted over that for packing the stove together. The advantage of using all of these stoves is they don't need a windshield, they can use liquid or gel alcohol hexy tablets or wood, pine cones etc if you do run out. The homemade stoves are simple, extremely lightweight and cost nothing but your time to make with basic tools, a Swiss Army knife, church key can opener, stuff you carry with you to make a replacement if necessary. You can see my stoves on my channel if you're interested. My Trangia burner has been accidentally dropped, rolled and bounced down rock strewn scree slopes from the base of rock faces and recovered after a chase without hardly a dent or scratch on it. They're totally bombproof, they never fail to work because there's nothing to go wrong. The only thing I do to it to keep it in reasonable shape is to use a brass wire brush around the jet holes to clean off any residue or verdigris if I haven't used it for a while. I'm in my late 60s, still getting out there as much as I can, that Trangia burner will outlast me and some, no problem. 😄
The reason you’re seeing the same amount of fuel (15ml) used for each boil of 400ml is because of the calorific energy stored in the fuel. It really has nothing to do with the stove design. The fact there is a time difference in boil times, using the exact same pot, is only due to how fast each stove releases that energy from the specific fuel as it takes a given amount of BTU’s (energy) to raise 1lb of water through 1degree of temperature.
It does matter in a way, if you have a stove design that pushes the heat around your mug/pan, then you've wasted a lot of those BTU's, but yes you are correct that the calorific value is the same 😉
@@ifell3 You’re absolutely right, I know I’m correct - the Physics is in on this one. But yes, the point you make is also valid. Poor heat (energy) transfer will vastly impact boil time.
If you just want to boil water quickly, obviously the Evernew is the way to go. However the strength of the Trangia is the complete integrated system: a very stable base (I use mine on my dinghy at anchor), a windshield with pot supports, 2 different sizes of pot, a kettle, a frying pan/lid, and a handle. Room in the kettle to store the burner, with some fuel in it, and the lid, simmer ring and even your box of matches and a scourer. You can also of course use the Trangia burner with just a pot support as shown here. For car, motorcycle, or boat camping, the Trangia set is ideal. If I'm walking or cycling and only take the burner and pot support, and maybe a windshield, the extra few minutes with the Trangia is time for contemplation. :) However, just as a burner, rather than an integrated system, the Evernew may be better.
Hi Chris, don't use the lid to snuff the flame. Can melt the o-ring. Use the other adjustable piece to snuff. Similar results to what I've seen. Evernew much faster but uses more fuel in my experience and limited in cooking where temperature control is required. I'd be curious how that stand works as a wind shield but the cost has held me back. Currently using a Lixada TI wind screen/stand which works well but not sure it will hold up in long run.
I just picked the wrong bit up to snuff the trangia and that’s why I referenced melting the O ring in the video , I’m planning to put the DX stand to the test next time I’m out for a wind 💨 test 👍🏻
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 Sorry must have not been paying attention. Look forward to your report on the wind test. Grettings from the windy state of Wyoming!
Great comparison. Just a tip to make life easier and fiddly, if you had filled both stoves and then weighed them and then weighed them again when they were finished (and cooled) the difference in weight would have been the fuel use.
I've not tried an Evernew but I do have two Trangias. My one man set up is just coming up to 38 years old and I still use it for solo camping. The only thing I've replaced is the O ring although to be fair I mainly use a gas conversion these days. The Trangia always works best with the full windshield/pot support. I know this is heavy but I mainly do bicycle/motorcycle camping these days. I can't see the advantage of the Evernew without the simmer ring (Unlike many I don't carry fuel in my Trangia) and lid. Good video though.
Nope, until Evernew makes a stove with a sealable lid, it’s no contest. And by the way, if you get a Trangia that leaks a bit (some do) they can be solder sealed around the seam. Fixed!
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 Absolutely, the only thing I'm not keen on is its not non stick. I did buy a 27ul non stick and it's good but I still prefer the army kit.
I use my Trangia with the Trangia triangle. Light, packs flat, easy to set up and does double duty as both a stable pot stand and a wind screen so I don't need the crossed pot stand shown here. Excellent piece of kit. Great comparison of these 2 stoves. Very informative. Many thanks and all the best from Nova Scotia, Canada.
I've had good results by sitting the pot on top of the Evernew burner without using the cross stand. It effectively gives you a simmering burn and doubles the burn time (good for more sophisticated cooking). You have to leave the stand on until the burner is hot though, as it is likely to go out otherwise.
I love them both and they definitely have a place but if you want to move fast, only need to boil water and weight and/or pack size are an issue, the Evernew in a 500ml ti pot are very hard to beat.
Toaks Titanium siphon stove gives me some of the best times yet. It will boil 500 ml of water on about 20 ml denatured alcohol. Of course water boils faster at higher altitude and I live at 8,000 feet elevation. That could definitely change boil times. Thanks for the video.
I’ve been using this stove for 10 yrs now. It’s not used heavily but it is used. Took me ages to be brave enough to use twigs in the stand, given the cost etc. But we only have one life!!! I do have other stoves but the Evernew Ti fuel stove is my fav. I love the smell of it as it’s burning away. The DX stand is lightweight, but it works and I enjoy using it. I’m a bike packer and keep my kit weight down. I’m looking forward to this summer and using it again. Thanks for the vid.
The Trangia is not designed for the Evernew Pot Stand. It does not place the flame at the correct height. The Evernew does not have ridges which means it cannot be used in Firebox Stoves. The Evernew has no summer capability and no way to douse the flame. You have to burn the fuel out which wastes fuel. If all you want to do is boil water the Evernew is a decent choice. It lacks the flexibility of the Trangia.
Hi, thanks for sharing. Both very good, but the DX stand does inhibit snuffing out the Evernew burner. Any suggestions / solutions to this quandary will be much appreciated.
I purchased a Evernew Titanium Appalachian set when they became available on the market , years ago. I retired my Trangia 27 set that same day to only canoe camping. The Evernew burner has a fuel marking in it which is nice , the light weight is great. It is a compact , fool proof ( nothing to break down of fail ) unit for backpacking. The thing I like the most is the titaniums ability to cool down rather quickly. Plus I mated it with a Evernew titanium , non stick , frying pan. You can say it's a win , win combination. The down side is you can not save any fuel in the Evernew like you can in the Trangia. The other down side is with the extra jets in the Evernew it is a fuel hog , burns more alcohol then a Trangia. The simple cure is to know how much alcohol you need at that time and use the proper amount , it comes with experience. Out of my collection of all my backpacking stoves , it's the one I take most of the time.
I have both and went back to the trangia after missing being able to screw the lid back on with fuel in the burner for the next meal. I also missed the simmer ring, being able to use half the fuel and control the heat. Also, as others have mentioned, I like being able to snuff out the flame with the lid too.
Nice little review. :) The dark shots at 14:40 showing the flames looked really pretty, but I just couldn't help but think "fire hazard" when I saw how the flames were licking up the sides of the pot.
Big down side all that wasted heat and flame just makes the handles hot . Bigger pot would be better but defeats the reason to have a small light stove using a big pot 👍🏻
I was thinking the same thing, especially if you were cooking outdoors in bright daylight, the size of excess flame would be completely invisible, and no way to regulate it?
That grate acts like a heat sink slowing boil times. I never use it to boil water and boil times decrease I've used it in hot 39* weather and cold 🥶 and it never helped boil times. What is clear after using it for a couple of years now is that the burner is a flamethrower and was really not designed to be in this stove stand. Hiram did a video a few years back with that plate in the proper location and it glowed red but the Flames still blasted out the side of the stove stand along the sides of his pot which means a lot of fuel was wasted I wish they had come up with either a better stove stand - something that was designed for this burner or a smaller burner for this stand
As I understand it the heat plate is used when it's very cold so some heat is reflected back to heat the fuel. In normal temperatures boiling water is quicker without the plate in my experience.
The power plate actually creates thermal feedback, it makes the stove body hotter so the fuel vapourises more effectively in colder weather. It has a similar effect to the trangia winter adaptation but less ferocious.
I bought the cheap titanium (silverant) alcohol stove before the evernew model, took about two-and-a-half minutes to bloom whereas the everew took 30 seconds. I believe that is due to the fiberglass wick on the inside. As a side note I believe that may have skewed your fuel consumption measurements, as I'm sure the wick had alcohol soaked into it. Fair to say I won't be going back to the cheap titanium, however one Saving Grace is that it will burn for well over 10 minutes on one ounce of fuel whereas the evernew was closer to 7 or 8 minutes. Again I attribute this to the fiberglass wick on the inside. I would like to have a simmer ring for the evernew, perhaps someone will develop one for it. It would be nice for heating up Meals without burning them.
I bought a complete Trangiaset (the biggest) for 5 euro!! in a thriftstore, good as new, verry happy! Been testing it next to my others and it works very well like all say. This comparison was interesting to me since I am building several burners and want to use some vintage veggie-graters as diffusers, didn't know how that would work but now I see this Evernew so I'm even more excited about the idea.
I added the Evernew 500ml mug pot, it has a recessed bottom with fits inside the stove. It greatly increases the stability of the cup. I also modified the stove to accept the Trangia burner, as a backup. This stove is wonderful for boiling water but has no heat control for cooking.
@@frogslips on the bottom of the stand are 3 vertical ribs. They are about 3/4” to high for the Trangia to sit down in. Using a dremel and abrasive disk I cut down enough of the ribs for the Trangia to sit on the bottom of the L shaped ribs. I saw a previous video where the guy cut slots in the Trangia instead, would probably leak. I don’t know how to add a picture of it, hoe this helps.
A lot of people use a windscreen cut from a disposable baking sheet, which would cut the weight way down. It only needs to be the height of the stove and wrap 3/4. Evernew is a nice setup. Not horribly expensive for titanium. Nice stove no doubt.
To calculate the fuel used, better to weigh each stove with the fuel in it and then again after the test. That way there's no spillage, plus, when you tip it out there will still be some fuel in the wick of the Trangia. I dont know if the Evernew has a wick or not.
I have a tomhoo evernew knockoff without a wick which is also very fast. Sometimes I use it without a stand for a slower burn time. I also use it most recently with a cross stand inside a fire Dragon stove I converted because it is so stable and I don't need an additional windshield then, and important to me is cheap as chips! Ps: what the heck have you seen the price of chips lately 🤔
You used the Evernew DX stand with the cap for cold temp. Get rid of that one... it is there to keep warm to the stove during cold weather, has a bad impact when used in warm weather.
The Evernew stove is hotter and more thristier than the Trangia, if you're just boiling water then its not really an issue. The Evernew stove can simmer just place the pot on top so its just the lower jets that are alight.
I was wondering how efficient a titanium cup would be at conducting heat vs something else, like stainless steel, and they are actually quite similar. Copper is much more conductive, as are aluminum and silver, if you happen to find a copper cup, it would be interesting to do a comparison between the titanium and copper cups for boil time.
after looking at hundreds of videos comparing the Trangia against X other burner brands and models I am getting the impression that this is getting a little bit silly, since how much does a couple seconds mean when you are outdoors wanting to enjoy a hot beverage while looking at the scenery... are you really in that a rush? Fuel consumption is a rather different thing, but until now I have not seen any really significant difference between brands and models... and besides, it is one thing to boil a little water for your tea and quite another thing to use your burner to actually cook a meal! If Trangia is your choice, then for sure the old proven swedish design (pots-windshield-burner) is still the best option by far. I do own some other brands besides Trangia, also in titanium. Weight is an argument but if you want to cook and not just boil, the old aluminium Trangia is still the best alternative, unless you have a really good engineered set of Ti burner-pots-windshield. I also always use a twig burner (Firebox) as back-up, and when lots of cooking has to be done I grab the Primus or Whispy... Because of restrictions concerning open-flame burners I am considering buying the propane adapter for my Trangia, even if I do not like gas cartouches very much. Anyway, even knowing that alcohol is not that "efficient", something I really like about Trangia is its simplicity (no moving parts that could fail), besides that fuel is so cheap and readily available, and that it is so silent! Good design endures time. Greetings from wild, wet, windy and wonderful western Patagonia
Thanks for sharing your thoughts , I feel much like you on this, gas stoves don’t do anything for me but they are good for lots of stuff , spirit burners have a simple and effective design with more soul I feel , Patagonia wow well greetings from Derbyshire , England 🏴
I sort of with you as my Trangia is 20 plus years old and bomb proof so far. That said the whole set up is lighter than the burner and if it about weight you are not cooking, just boiling so it very tempting. The big problem for me is they seem not to have used a Trangia burner because the lid and simmer ring are important parts of the kit because you can seal it and snuff it. You gain all that weight and then have to carry more fuel to cover the stoves issues.
TBH I don't time water boiling. I go out and make a brew while I'm finding wood or putting up my chair or a tarp - I leave all that time bs at home. I was interested to see the little new thing. Happy Christmas.
Thing is that the Trangia burner is part of a system like the 25, 27 or 28. My 27 will boil water in less than 8 minutes on a windy day. The more wind, the better the burn. I never use the burner on its own. It wasn't designed to be used without a windshield. Oh and never snuff it with the lid. Use the simmer ring.
There’s a lot of love for the Trangia burner, I’ve had one for years (two, actually!) and of course they’ve been bomb proof and great. I have also the Evernew DX set, and I certainly prefer the latter in terms of lightness of weight and performance. Nested inside a 550 Toaks cup it’s hard to see the advantage of carrying the additional unneccessary weight of the Trangia for no practical benefit, but that being said I don’t put as much fuel in as you did, and let the burner extinguish itself rather than try to pour out residual fuel. Good kit.
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So tempted. I’ve had my finger on the Buy button for a while.
The Evernew is great for boiling water, but not so good for cooking. It's too hot for most applications and is a fuel hog. The Trangia is cheaper and more versatile. BTW I have both.
It makes sense that they would consume the same amount of fuel for the exact same task, just that the Evernew happened to burn it much more quickly. Cool that you can snuff it with the Trangia lid, I bet that works a bit better than blowing it out like a candle.
Trangia 27 average time to boil the kettle for me is 6:30. I would like to see a Clikstand stove (replaces the Trangia 27 kitchen set- looks like a Trangia triangle with a windscreen) but I have too many stoves already. I am a recovering stoveaholic
Everybody says the trangia wins But they never say why? I have seen the trangia last less time than many other stoves. So for that I will have to be using more fuel on the trangia.
@@jheighten7568 What do you mean with "last less time". As for reasons, I wrote above: " The problem with the Evernew is that the flame is to wide, hence your pothandle got to hot for comfort & as you've demonstrated leftover fuel is a mess to recover. Can't snuff it out unless one brings somekind of lid.. Also it blooms much slower then the Trangia especially in outdoor (cooler/windier) conditions."
@@stijndeklerk sorry about the confusion. For i stance I have seen the Redcamp mini alcohol stove last more time with the one ounce if alcohol. I need to buy canister stove and an alcohol store for those times when I do not want to hear any noises. I already made one but I would like to have a legit one. I am looking to get more for the money for instant the redcamp comes with the stand. Boiling time is not an issue as I am never in a hurry when I go camping, Also I heard many times of the trangia cracking on in time if left to burn out. I’m just a little confuse because when I hear people talking about the trangia Most of them are fanatics and I cannot get the information I need thanks for the response
It’s cool if that’s what you like but for me I need to adjust the flame for certain things I cook or simmer. The Evennew doesn’t have that option you have to improvise but both are good stoves.
If you would like a snuffer for the Evernew burner, the bottom half of a Trangia gel burner is pretty much the perfect shape and size: it really works well. Of course you will then need to pour the unused fuel into a separate container, as you can't seal up the Evernew like you can with a standard Trangia spirit burner.
The Trangia simmer cap/ snuffer can be purchased separately and used with the Evernew stove,also the Evernew can be used to simmer by placing the pot directly on the stove ,which blocks the top set of holes.
It's been way too long. You make me miss camping. But, the temperature here in Texas has been over a hundred degrees every day for more than a month now. I can't go outside and flick a bic, no matter its color.
3:20 - This Evernew cross stand is too low for Trangia burner, he boil water fast with 38mm (~1.5") between the base of the flames and the base of the pot. Even in their Stormkok - optimized for cooking; the minimum height is 19mm.
I own a trangia clone, the evernew with the DX stand and a toaks siphon. Out of the three I prefer the toaks siphon, even though it requires that odd chicken wire stand and a windshield. The evernew requires much more dialing in to guesstimate how much fuel it will take, since it is next to impossible to snuff out when in the stand it always feels wasteful. The trangia and the toaks are both easily snuffed and make saving fuel much easier...
You didn't measure how much fuel was used by the Evernew with the DX stand, it would have been interesting. The fact that you need a separate fuel canister for the Evernew must also be taken into consideration when comparing weights, personally I carry my fuel in my Trangia. I find that the Trangia works better with a wire stand as the cold pot is not in direct contact with the burner acting as a heat sink (as witnessed by the lack of bloom in the first test). I have an Evernew knock off (Tomshoo) Ti burner which sits on a shelf collecting dust while my Trangia gets to play in the great outdoors. ATB.
The knock off Ti burners don’t have any wicking material between the double walls leading to the burner holes. This makes them dramatically worse in operation. There are a few videos showing the difference on RUclips
I could understand why when you wanted to measure the usage of spirit that you didn't weigh both units empty, then filled and reweighed them after use, rather than messing around pouring the spirit out.
You didn't find a reason to let the trangia bloom or do a single boil without issues just like you did with the Japanese one? Trangia with the evernew stand perhaps?
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 yes twice, 1st time just before the boiling test. The burner relies on the dentured alcohol fumes burning and when the burner gets to a certain temperature you'll hear a pop and then the outer ring of holes then light up.
Honestly wondering what's going on here because not too long ago I boiled two cups of water, which is more than 400 ml, in tests with a Trangia and with a knock off triangle got boils under 7 minutes. My tests were also outside in wind so I am really confused. Also, weighing remaining fuel when you have a wick proves little, since wicks have different materials, thickness etc. The only way to test efficiency is to put the same amount of fuel in and see how long it burns after boil.
Variables are the word for any “test” water temp , air temp, fuel temp . Fuel Type , wind , humidity etc . But if your knock off trangia works better your winning 🥇 👍🏻
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 yeah it's the Argos Titanium one that Paleohiker MD put me on to a few months back. It's support plate also works for solid fuel tabs. Using triangle knock-offs is basically what you have to do in the United States. Trangia has cut off licensing for legitimate sales of the triangle in the US, and if you go to buy it through third party sellers you're paying ridiculous amounts of money. I'm still trying to figure out why you can legitimately buy every other piece of Trangia kit in the US but the triangle. That said ultimately any of the triangles aren't really about efficiency imo, they are rather about giving a light weight stand option with more stability than the cross stands because the amount of wind protection is negligible and it doesn't trap heat either (unlike a cone or complete Clikstand set up.) The Evernew set up here is similar imo. There are just too many holes to make the stand a true wind screen but you do have a much more stable platform. That is important with alcohol burners that can spill their contents.
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 I'll actually be responding to that video because I found out something interesting by experimenting with mine. Simply has to do with the geometry of the stove and how it mates with the Trangia burner.
Er no, first weigh them both empty then with fuel, that way it wont spill everywhere and you can account for any trapped fuel, easy enough to calculate the gram weight of fluid. Next, a lot of time/guess work when the lid is on, maybe leave it off. Lastly, the Trangia was designed for the aluminium cowl and sheild, not the little cross stand you have there so a lot of heat loss that other wise would be directed to the pot... good effort.
One of the best reviews around. I have a Redcamp. It is very nice, I may just buy the Evernew. I am not interested in the grams or boiling times. I use these stoves in a relaxed state. I have a few I made myself and they compare to all of them closely. I have the original Silverfire rocket stove and the silverfire Scout. They all have a place in my life. Thanks for this excellent video.
Thanks for the kind comment . People live a battle of what better in grams or time . I’m not fussed like what I like . But if people like watching this then it’s all good ! 👍🏻
Ethanol weighs only about 3/4 what water weighs, volume being equal, so using the scale to measure mL, when the scale is calibrated for the density of water, not ethanol, will cause your mL reading to be significantly overstated.
Thanks for your efforts. I am thinking of trying the DX system. Currently using trangia with a cheap Goshawk stand/windshield and boil time is about 81/2 minutes. Also tried it with a Trail Designs 12/10 soda can stove which reduces boil time and weight considerably. Would like to see DX out in the wild with some wind. Cheers 😁
Turn off the light I want to see.....thanks mate. Diluting the fuel with a proper measure of water will bring those flames into check. Trangia recommends adding water to meths on very windy days.
In my Italian Apennines experience, all those stoves ultimately suffer wind enormously and need a windscreen. Of course, if one is prepared to boil water for coffee in 30 minutes it's all OK, but I find it not functional. When one adds a functional windscreen, one which is not defeated by wind itself, then the weight goes up substantially - as shown in the video - and it is not competitive any more with a gas stove. Another big problem is the stink coming from pink alcohol, but I have to admit I never tried bioethanol to see how much it stinks. In a windless world, an alcohol burner would be OK, if used with something less stinky than pink alcohol. Wind is omnipresent in the mountains above the tree line and so, as much as I am attracted by the sheer simplicity and lightness of alcohol burners, I suggest anybody to try gas and compare 🙂. Gas is powerful, yet the flame can be very easily partialized, one must not estimate how much gas to use (or waste), and coming from alcohol burners, the easiness of use of gas is such a relief!
it's all great but I can carry the fuel inside the Trangia, and I can extinguish it with ease and use again later, where you can't do that with Evernew.
I have the PF alcohol stove with a bottle base stove for a support. It's to great, but cheaper then this stove. The evernew may be cheaper in the long term but it 5 time more expensive then what I have. It would take a lot of trips to pay for itself.
The trangia snuff works in it . But your correct in the stand with the plate you can’t . Without the plate in the stand the snuff works . But Iv found you can very simple learn how Much fuel it will take and not over fill it
Was there a significant price advantage to buying it from Japan? Also, the DX stand works fine as a small twig burner, handy feature if you run out of alcohol.
Great test Chris and great style. You may want to have a look at my titanium pot Vs heat exchanger pot test I did recently. The wind shield effect was s big surprise. Cheers. Subbed
Sub returned , think I have watched it actually, the heat exchanger is simple but effective technology, Iv my eye on a USA stand and fitted heat exchanger pop to try with the alcohol stoves when it’s back in stock 👍🏻
Great informative video 👌🏻👍🏻 Have had a Trangia for years along with a few other meth stoves. This looks well cool though 😎 Would love to see how they both compare outside on the hills maybe with the Trangia Triangle and the protection the Evernew comes with. Awesome stuff ill prob end up getting one too haha...cheers mate 👍🏻 ATB... Chris
Thanks for the nice comment , had the Evernew on the hills the other day worked well , Uk prices for trangia triangle as silly at the minute , but I will be getting one 🤞🏻
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 No worries! Ahh thats good to know then, do you litterally have to just let it burn out though as there is no snuff lid? Not an issue I suppose and would prob get used to knowing how much you need. Yeah some prices for stuff have gone a bit crazy lately lol. I see this is a new channel too? Will give you a sub mate to support your channel 💯👍🏻👍🏻 I love everything to do with the great outdoors so its cool to interact with like minded people here on our channels. Take care mate 🙏🏼😁
Are the burners the same diameter? Could I use a Trangia burner in the Evernew stove and vice versa? I already have a few Trangia burners knocking about and I see you can buy the evernew burnerless for half the price.
The problem with the Evernew is that the flame is to wide, hence your pothandle got to hot for comfort & as you've demonstrated leftover fuel is a mess to recover. Can't snuff it out unless one brings somekind of lid.. Also it blooms much slower then the Trangia especially in outdoor (cooler/windier) conditions.
The Evernew is just for boiling water, you can’t really cook with it, with very little practice you get to know how much fuel you need so you just don’t need a snuffer and you never have left over fuel.
Been using the DX set for years, love it. Although I prefer using the Trangia (brass) over the Evernew (titanum) in the winter. Recommend watching old videos by Hiram Cook (he has/had(?) two channels on youtube)
Hello Chris, thanks for the review. I have been eyeballing that Evernew set-up for a while now. They are pricey, but they are some of the finest pieces of gear made. I have several but I have to know exactly it's a fit for me before I buy it. One thing I believe that may have made a slight difference in your tests was the Evernew cross stand is only about 5/8" above the burner. The Trangia's sweet spot for height above burner is 1-1/8" above the burner. It makes a huge difference. I don't know if a different height would help or hurt the Evernew, but I would guess they have it dialed in for their stove, because IMHO all of their gear is top of the line.
Iv gone for evernew on weight and speed. The price was a big issue but with no moving parts if I don’t squash it it will last me and my kids a life time ( well that’s how I justified it 🤷🏻♂️)I was looking at the trangia triangle stand but Uk prices it was not much different to get the DX And stove !
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 Your right about the Trangia Triangle. Very pricey and almost impossible to find here in the USA. Have you tried the Firebox Nano? It is my favorite for a Trangia stove and will also work with the Evernew, Trangia canister burner, andis a great small twig stove. It folds up into nice small compact case and also comes in a titanium model, $$$ of coarse for the titanium.
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 The Bushbox is very popular with the European crowd, (they are made in Germany if I remember correctly)and much like the Firebox stoves we have here. I've never seen one aside from being used in RUclips videos, but have never seen a review on one. Will be looking forward to seeing one if you get around to it.
The fact that it needs to be extinguished with parts from the other stove is enough for me.
living in Sweden and surrounded by sometimes extreme weather conditions which can change very fast during the day , Trangia Original Alcohol burner works all the time and there is a reason why they are made of brass, reliable sturdy burner, all other copy the already perfected recipe, u can't rediscover the wheel ;)
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From Sweden ❤❤❤❤
been using a trangia for 50 years, never let me down.
I'm still using a burner from a Mini Trangia I bought in 1988 for rock climbing days and backpacking long distance trails. My first long distance trail attempt was the Pennine Way in 87 where I used a Camping Gaz butane, where I failed, having to give up at Tan Hill because trenchfoot had slowed me down so much. Getting fuel had also become an issue. I finished from Tan Hill to Kirk Yetholme a much wiser man, carrying a lot less weight and wearing gaiters over my boots to stop them getting sodden.
For base camping, I now use the Trangia burner with a 12cm Zebra Billy slotted into a 140cm kitchen storage canister without the lid when packed and inserted in about 3cm resting on aluminium tent pegs, placed through holes I drilled, pot stands.
For backpacking I use a Stanley Adventure pot with a similar stove made out of a chilli can and a boiled sweet tin as a base. I use a homemade pop can centre chimney fire burner for lightness instead of the Trangia. Like the Zebra's stove, the Stanley sits down in the can, but I made wire coat hanger cut off for pot stands which I store in the boiled sweet tin when packed. The burner slots into one of the green cups.
I also have the Swiss Ranger Volcano Stove which I use on day hikes mostly. I found the Trangia too fierce for that, flame was coming out of the top vents making the cup's wire handle too hot to handle without gloves. I made a smaller one out of pop cans to the same design as the Trangia, cut the bottle cork down in order that the burner reservoir could be placed upside down over the cork and bottle neck, and the cup fitted over that for packing the stove together.
The advantage of using all of these stoves is they don't need a windshield, they can use liquid or gel alcohol hexy tablets or wood, pine cones etc if you do run out. The homemade stoves are simple, extremely lightweight and cost nothing but your time to make with basic tools, a Swiss Army knife, church key can opener, stuff you carry with you to make a replacement if necessary. You can see my stoves on my channel if you're interested.
My Trangia burner has been accidentally dropped, rolled and bounced down rock strewn scree slopes from the base of rock faces and recovered after a chase without hardly a dent or scratch on it. They're totally bombproof, they never fail to work because there's nothing to go wrong. The only thing I do to it to keep it in reasonable shape is to use a brass wire brush around the jet holes to clean off any residue or verdigris if I haven't used it for a while.
I'm in my late 60s, still getting out there as much as I can, that Trangia burner will outlast me and some, no problem. 😄
Aren't Trangias great?! My favourite is the 27-2 (hard-anodized), but they are all super kit.
The reason you’re seeing the same amount of fuel (15ml) used for each boil of 400ml is because of the calorific energy stored in the fuel. It really has nothing to do with the stove design. The fact there is a time difference in boil times, using the exact same pot, is only due to how fast each stove releases that energy from the specific fuel as it takes a given amount of BTU’s (energy) to raise 1lb of water through 1degree of temperature.
I've actually never heard this explained before but it makes a lot of sense, thanks
@@hamiltonharper hes obvious ly a heat and air guy that understands thermal tech
@@calvinmonroe2408 😂
It does matter in a way, if you have a stove design that pushes the heat around your mug/pan, then you've wasted a lot of those BTU's, but yes you are correct that the calorific value is the same 😉
@@ifell3 You’re absolutely right, I know I’m correct - the Physics is in on this one. But yes, the point you make is also valid. Poor heat (energy) transfer will vastly impact boil time.
I have used this evernew set for years but am an avid trangia user as well. For meals the trangia is my choice. For boiling liquids, the evernew.
If you just want to boil water quickly, obviously the Evernew is the way to go. However the strength of the Trangia is the complete integrated system: a very stable base (I use mine on my dinghy at anchor), a windshield with pot supports, 2 different sizes of pot, a kettle, a frying pan/lid, and a handle. Room in the kettle to store the burner, with some fuel in it, and the lid, simmer ring and even your box of matches and a scourer. You can also of course use the Trangia burner with just a pot support as shown here. For car, motorcycle, or boat camping, the Trangia set is ideal. If I'm walking or cycling and only take the burner and pot support, and maybe a windshield, the extra few minutes with the Trangia is time for contemplation. :) However, just as a burner, rather than an integrated system, the Evernew may be better.
Exactly, well said.
Hi Chris, don't use the lid to snuff the flame. Can melt the o-ring. Use the other adjustable piece to snuff. Similar results to what I've seen. Evernew much faster but uses more fuel in my experience and limited in cooking where temperature control is required. I'd be curious how that stand works as a wind shield but the cost has held me back. Currently using a Lixada TI wind screen/stand which works well but not sure it will hold up in long run.
I just picked the wrong bit up to snuff the trangia and that’s why I referenced melting the O ring in the video , I’m planning to put the DX stand to the test next time I’m out for a wind 💨 test 👍🏻
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 Sorry must have not been paying attention. Look forward to your report on the wind test. Grettings from the windy state of Wyoming!
Great comparison. Just a tip to make life easier and fiddly, if you had filled both stoves and then weighed them and then weighed them again when they were finished (and cooled) the difference in weight would have been the fuel use.
I've not tried an Evernew but I do have two Trangias. My one man set up is just coming up to 38 years old and I still use it for solo camping. The only thing I've replaced is the O ring although to be fair I mainly use a gas conversion these days. The Trangia always works best with the full windshield/pot support. I know this is heavy but I mainly do bicycle/motorcycle camping these days. I can't see the advantage of the Evernew without the simmer ring (Unlike many I don't carry fuel in my Trangia) and lid. Good video though.
Nope, until Evernew makes a stove with a sealable lid, it’s no contest. And by the way, if you get a Trangia that leaks a bit (some do) they can be solder sealed around the seam. Fixed!
I bought a used Swedish army trangia when i first started camping in 1971. I'm still using it, and I've only had to replac the o ring, several times.
Bomb proof kit =‘s no moving parts and good material 👍🏻
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 Absolutely, the only thing I'm not keen on is its not non stick. I did buy a 27ul non stick and it's good but I still prefer the army kit.
I use my Trangia with the Trangia triangle. Light, packs flat, easy to set up and does double duty as both a stable pot stand and a wind screen so I don't need the crossed pot stand shown here. Excellent piece of kit. Great comparison of these 2 stoves. Very informative. Many thanks and all the best from Nova Scotia, Canada.
I've had good results by sitting the pot on top of the Evernew burner without using the cross stand. It effectively gives you a simmering burn and doubles the burn time (good for more sophisticated cooking). You have to leave the stand on until the burner is hot though, as it is likely to go out otherwise.
Makes perfect sense I will give it a try thanks
Trangia 27 or 25 set every time. Excellent wind protection 2 pans, frying pan and kettle. No other stove comes with all this.
I love them both and they definitely have a place but if you want to move fast, only need to boil water and weight and/or pack size are an issue, the Evernew in a 500ml ti pot are very hard to beat.
Toaks Titanium siphon stove gives me some of the best times yet. It will boil 500 ml of water on about 20 ml denatured alcohol. Of course water boils faster at higher altitude and I live at 8,000 feet elevation. That could definitely change boil times. Thanks for the video.
I’ve been using this stove for 10 yrs now. It’s not used heavily but it is used. Took me ages to be brave enough to use twigs in the stand, given the cost etc. But we only have one life!!! I do have other stoves but the Evernew Ti fuel stove is my fav. I love the smell of it as it’s burning away. The DX stand is lightweight, but it works and I enjoy using it. I’m a bike packer and keep my kit weight down. I’m looking forward to this summer and using it again. Thanks for the vid.
I we have trangias and recently switched to evernew burners and couldn’t be happier. I keep one with the DX stand in my truck get home pack.
I think they both have jobs and as a light water boiler it’s awsome setup if not a little flame happy
The Trangia is not designed for the Evernew Pot Stand. It does not place the flame at the correct height. The Evernew does not have ridges which means it cannot be used in Firebox Stoves. The Evernew has no summer capability and no way to douse the flame. You have to burn the fuel out which wastes fuel. If all you want to do is boil water the Evernew is a decent choice. It lacks the flexibility of the Trangia.
Hi, thanks for sharing.
Both very good, but the DX stand does inhibit snuffing out the Evernew burner.
Any suggestions / solutions to this quandary will be much appreciated.
I purchased a Evernew Titanium Appalachian set when they became available on the market , years ago. I retired my Trangia 27 set that same day to only canoe camping.
The Evernew burner has a fuel marking in it which is nice , the light weight is great. It is a compact , fool proof ( nothing to break down of fail ) unit for backpacking. The thing I like the most is the titaniums ability to cool down rather quickly. Plus I mated it with a Evernew titanium , non stick , frying pan. You can say it's a win , win combination.
The down side is you can not save any fuel in the Evernew like you can in the Trangia. The other down side is with the extra jets in the Evernew it is a fuel hog , burns more alcohol then a Trangia. The simple cure is to know how much alcohol you need at that time and use the proper amount , it comes with experience. Out of my collection of all my backpacking stoves , it's the one I take most of the time.
Thanks for leaving your thoughts , I’m enjoying using the evernew , as you might have spotted in a couple of videos
I have both and went back to the trangia after missing being able to screw the lid back on with fuel in the burner for the next meal. I also missed the simmer ring, being able to use half the fuel and control the heat. Also, as others have mentioned, I like being able to snuff out the flame with the lid too.
Trangia mini kit cookset (just add alcohol) is $ 50 and Evernew is $100 in Canada and you still need a pot.
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I didn’t realize open windows and doors could be killed.
Evernew wins the race, plus it looks like a stable setup. Thanks for the demo!
Nice little review. :)
The dark shots at 14:40 showing the flames looked really pretty, but I just couldn't help but think "fire hazard" when I saw how the flames were licking up the sides of the pot.
Big down side all that wasted heat and flame just makes the handles hot . Bigger pot would be better but defeats the reason to have a small light stove using a big pot 👍🏻
I was thinking the same thing, especially if you were cooking outdoors in bright daylight, the size of excess flame would be completely invisible, and no way to regulate it?
If you're using the stove outside you must almost always use a windscreen. To have a windscreen as part of the stove is a big plus.
Iv found I don’t need one with this
That grate acts like a heat sink slowing boil times. I never use it to boil water and boil times decrease
I've used it in hot 39* weather and cold 🥶 and it never helped boil times.
What is clear after using it for a couple of years now is that the burner is a flamethrower and was really not designed to be in this stove stand.
Hiram did a video a few years back with that plate in the proper location and it glowed red but the Flames still blasted out the side of the stove stand along the sides of his pot which means a lot of fuel was wasted I wish they had come up with either a better stove stand - something that was designed for this burner or a smaller burner for this stand
I think so to. But I imagine it helps heat the stove and fuel letting it get hotter faster but Iv found it contains the heat well in 💨 wind
As I understand it the heat plate is used when it's very cold so some heat is reflected back to heat the fuel.
In normal temperatures boiling water is quicker without the plate in my experience.
The power plate actually creates thermal feedback, it makes the stove body hotter so the fuel vapourises more effectively in colder weather. It has a similar effect to the trangia winter adaptation but less ferocious.
I bought the cheap titanium (silverant) alcohol stove before the evernew model, took about two-and-a-half minutes to bloom whereas the everew took 30 seconds. I believe that is due to the fiberglass wick on the inside.
As a side note I believe that may have skewed your fuel consumption measurements, as I'm sure the wick had alcohol soaked into it. Fair to say I won't be going back to the cheap titanium, however one Saving Grace is that it will burn for well over 10 minutes on one ounce of fuel whereas the evernew was closer to 7 or 8 minutes. Again I attribute this to the fiberglass wick on the inside. I would like to have a simmer ring for the evernew, perhaps someone will develop one for it. It would be nice for heating up Meals without burning them.
控火盖子，你可以参考品牌“ALOCS”，他有一个控货盖子，而且有带手柄。不过这样就需要搭配其他支架，我有一个ALOCS围雪炉，用来当酒精炉支架，材火炉，碳炉，都很不错，还能具备一定防风能力。唯一缺点是无法折叠，重量不够轻。
I bought a complete Trangiaset (the biggest) for 5 euro!! in a thriftstore, good as new, verry happy! Been testing it next to my others and it works very well like all say. This comparison was interesting to me since I am building several burners and want to use some vintage veggie-graters as diffusers, didn't know how that would work but now I see this Evernew so I'm even more excited about the idea.
I added the Evernew 500ml mug pot, it has a recessed bottom with fits inside the stove. It greatly increases the stability of the cup. I also modified the stove to accept the Trangia burner, as a backup. This stove is wonderful for boiling water but has no heat control for cooking.
Will have to check that out , I know the “kettle” they do is just a pot with a bulge at the bottom but looks smart
How did you mod to accept the Trangia? I have this and don’t really care for the Evernew burner. The stove and Trangia burner would be perfect.
@@frogslips on the bottom of the stand are 3 vertical ribs. They are about 3/4” to high for the Trangia to sit down in. Using a dremel and abrasive disk I cut down enough of the ribs for the Trangia to sit on the bottom of the L shaped ribs. I saw a previous video where the guy cut slots in the Trangia instead, would probably leak. I don’t know how to add a picture of it, hoe this helps.
A lot of people use a windscreen cut from a disposable baking sheet, which would cut the weight way down. It only needs to be the height of the stove and wrap 3/4. Evernew is a nice setup. Not horribly expensive for titanium. Nice stove no doubt.
Iv a Ali express Ali sheet for this reason only coz it was cheaper than a baking tray lol
To calculate the fuel used, better to weigh each stove with the fuel in it and then again after the test. That way there's no spillage, plus, when you tip it out there will still be some fuel in the wick of the Trangia. I dont know if the Evernew has a wick or not.
Evernew does have a wick.
I have a tomhoo evernew knockoff without a wick which is also very fast. Sometimes I use it without a stand for a slower burn time.
I also use it most recently with a cross stand inside a fire Dragon stove I converted because it is so stable and I don't need an additional windshield then, and important to me is cheap as chips!
Ps: what the heck have you seen the price of chips lately 🤔
You used the Evernew DX stand with the cap for cold temp. Get rid of that one... it is there to keep warm to the stove during cold weather, has a bad impact when used in warm weather.
Iv found the difference negligible
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 try it at minus 10 degrees or colder. It really works then
The Evernew stove is hotter and more thristier than the Trangia, if you're just boiling water then its not really an issue. The Evernew stove can simmer just place the pot on top so its just the lower jets that are alight.
I was wondering how efficient a titanium cup would be at conducting heat vs something else, like stainless steel, and they are actually quite similar. Copper is much more conductive, as are aluminum and silver, if you happen to find a copper cup, it would be interesting to do a comparison between the titanium and copper cups for boil time.
after looking at hundreds of videos comparing the Trangia against X other burner brands and models I am getting the impression that this is getting a little bit silly, since how much does a couple seconds mean when you are outdoors wanting to enjoy a hot beverage while looking at the scenery... are you really in that a rush? Fuel consumption is a rather different thing, but until now I have not seen any really significant difference between brands and models... and besides, it is one thing to boil a little water for your tea and quite another thing to use your burner to actually cook a meal! If Trangia is your choice, then for sure the old proven swedish design (pots-windshield-burner) is still the best option by far. I do own some other brands besides Trangia, also in titanium. Weight is an argument but if you want to cook and not just boil, the old aluminium Trangia is still the best alternative, unless you have a really good engineered set of Ti burner-pots-windshield. I also always use a twig burner (Firebox) as back-up, and when lots of cooking has to be done I grab the Primus or Whispy... Because of restrictions concerning open-flame burners I am considering buying the propane adapter for my Trangia, even if I do not like gas cartouches very much. Anyway, even knowing that alcohol is not that "efficient", something I really like about Trangia is its simplicity (no moving parts that could fail), besides that fuel is so cheap and readily available, and that it is so silent! Good design endures time. Greetings from wild, wet, windy and wonderful western Patagonia
Thanks for sharing your thoughts , I feel much like you on this, gas stoves don’t do anything for me but they are good for lots of stuff , spirit burners have a simple and effective design with more soul I feel , Patagonia wow well greetings from Derbyshire , England 🏴
I sort of with you as my Trangia is 20 plus years old and bomb proof so far. That said the whole set up is lighter than the burner and if it about weight you are not cooking, just boiling so it very tempting. The big problem for me is they seem not to have used a Trangia burner because the lid and simmer ring are important parts of the kit because you can seal it and snuff it. You gain all that weight and then have to carry more fuel to cover the stoves issues.
It would seem some of the weight savings might be negated by the need for a heavy glove to manipulate the Evernew.
No glove required deal with it just like Trangia!
An personal Thank you to all the people who believes in Japanese Japan 🗾 products....
Thank you
TBH I don't time water boiling. I go out and make a brew while I'm finding wood or putting up my chair or a tarp - I leave all that time bs at home. I was interested to see the little new thing. Happy Christmas.
TBH I’m not but the internet is lol
When O When are they going to make a 500mm kelly kettle...?
Do you see how much heat is wasted out the side...?
Thing is that the Trangia burner is part of a system like the 25, 27 or 28. My 27 will boil water in less than 8 minutes on a windy day. The more wind, the better the burn.
I never use the burner on its own. It wasn't designed to be used without a windshield.
Oh and never snuff it with the lid. Use the simmer ring.
The system is great and there is nothing wrong with using just the burner it works and that all that counts for me , 👌
There’s a lot of love for the Trangia burner, I’ve had one for years (two, actually!) and of course they’ve been bomb proof and great. I have also the Evernew DX set, and I certainly prefer the latter in terms of lightness of weight and performance. Nested inside a 550 Toaks cup it’s hard to see the advantage of carrying the additional unneccessary weight of the Trangia for no practical benefit, but that being said I don’t put as much fuel in as you did, and let the burner extinguish itself rather than try to pour out residual fuel. Good kit.
So tempted. I’ve had my finger on the Buy button for a while.
If it’s a t price your happy with I shopped about and got loads cheaper ! Then go for it
The Evernew is great for boiling water, but not so good for cooking. It's too hot for most applications and is a fuel hog. The Trangia is cheaper and more versatile. BTW I have both.
Agreed with you 100% . Horses for courses I suppose! 👍🏻
It makes sense that they would consume the same amount of fuel for the exact same task, just that the Evernew happened to burn it much more quickly. Cool that you can snuff it with the Trangia lid, I bet that works a bit better than blowing it out like a candle.
Like those joke candles you have to keep blowing out lol
I have both the trangia wins hand down . cheers from canada
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Trangia 27 average time to boil the kettle for me is 6:30. I would like to see a Clikstand stove (replaces the Trangia 27 kitchen set- looks like a Trangia triangle with a windscreen) but I have too many stoves already. I am a recovering stoveaholic
Everybody says the trangia wins But they never say why? I have seen the trangia last less time than many other stoves. So for that I will have to be using more fuel on the trangia.
@@jheighten7568 What do you mean with "last less time". As for reasons, I wrote above: " The problem with the Evernew is that the flame is to wide, hence your pothandle got to hot for comfort & as you've demonstrated leftover fuel is a mess to recover. Can't snuff it out unless one brings somekind of lid.. Also it blooms much slower then the Trangia especially in outdoor (cooler/windier) conditions."
@@stijndeklerk sorry about the confusion. For i stance I have seen the Redcamp mini alcohol stove last more time with the one ounce if alcohol. I need to buy canister stove and an alcohol store for those times when I do not want to hear any noises. I already made one but I would like to have a legit one. I am looking to get more for the money for instant the redcamp comes with the stand.
Boiling time is not an issue as I am never in a hurry when I go camping, Also I heard many times of the trangia cracking on in time if left to burn out. I’m just a little confuse because when I hear people talking about the trangia Most of them are fanatics and I cannot get the information I need thanks for the response
It’s cool if that’s what you like but for me I need to adjust the flame for certain things I cook or simmer. The Evennew doesn’t have that option you have to improvise but both are good stoves.
I welcome you comment Theresa 👍🏻
If you would like a snuffer for the Evernew burner, the bottom half of a Trangia gel burner is pretty much the perfect shape and size: it really works well.
Of course you will then need to pour the unused fuel into a separate container, as you can't seal up the Evernew like you can with a standard Trangia spirit burner.
Nice tip
Thanks
The Trangia simmer cap/ snuffer can be purchased separately and used with the Evernew stove,also the Evernew can be used to simmer by placing the pot directly on the stove ,which blocks the top set of holes.
It's been way too long. You make me miss camping. But, the temperature here in Texas has been over a hundred degrees every day for more than a month now. I can't go outside and flick a bic, no matter its color.
3:20 - This Evernew cross stand is too low for Trangia burner, he boil water fast with 38mm (~1.5") between the base of the flames and the base of the pot. Even in their Stormkok - optimized for cooking; the minimum height is 19mm.
I own a trangia clone, the evernew with the DX stand and a toaks siphon.
Out of the three I prefer the toaks siphon, even though it requires that odd chicken wire stand and a windshield.
The evernew requires much more dialing in to guesstimate how much fuel it will take,
since it is next to impossible to snuff out when in the stand it always feels wasteful.
The trangia and the toaks are both easily snuffed and make saving fuel much easier...
Try droping down a "fancy feast" can. It works but I dont remember if I tried it with the stand or if it was just with the burner
I have been using the nalgene poly bottle for 18 years for my water bottle
If the Dx had a lid, it would be much better.
You didn't measure how much fuel was used by the Evernew with the DX stand, it would have been interesting. The fact that you need a separate fuel canister for the Evernew must also be taken into consideration when comparing weights, personally I carry my fuel in my Trangia. I find that the Trangia works better with a wire stand as the cold pot is not in direct contact with the burner acting as a heat sink (as witnessed by the lack of bloom in the first test). I have an Evernew knock off (Tomshoo) Ti burner which sits on a shelf collecting dust while my Trangia gets to play in the great outdoors. ATB.
I would have been taking my life in my hands trying to dismantle the dx to snuff right after the boil . It got everything very hot
The knock off Ti burners don’t have any wicking material between the double walls leading to the burner holes. This makes them dramatically worse in operation. There are a few videos showing the difference on RUclips
Its a good stove but one must have a wee bit of down time when the wait time is Ten minutes to boil and ten minutes to cook the grits
Don’t think anyone buys these type of stove
To save time , gas all the way for convenience and speed . But sometimes there’s just more to life 👍🏻
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 Absolutely true
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 i want them but i rarely sit still for long in the out of doors unless im fishing with the family
@@calvinmonroe2408 somthing about the slow flame 🔥 for me and my daughter loves them
I could understand why when you wanted to measure the usage of spirit that you didn't weigh both units empty, then filled and reweighed them after use, rather than messing around pouring the spirit out.
I switched back to the Trangia after 2 hikes..
I don't know about the Evernew but Trangia has a cotton wick inside, so not all of the alcohol could be recovered.
I don’t think it has in the evernew
Why didnt you weigh the stoves filled before starting, then weigh after test? Doh!
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Yep . Hindsight is 20/20
Always nice to see, a not made in China option, these days.
That cross stand is, pretty awesome.
Cross stand ….. made in 🇨🇳 lol 😂
I can’t complain about the Evernew performance but how do I put out that massive flame in my tent?
You didn't find a reason to let the trangia bloom or do a single boil without issues just like you did with the Japanese one? Trangia with the evernew stand perhaps?
The Trangia burner is slightly too wide to fit in the DX stand without modifying it.
Hi when did trangia start using a cotton wick in the burner? The only one I know of is Origo cannister for heat pal or the marine stoves.
I’m not sure what you mean.. cotton wick ? When is that in the video ?
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 yes twice, 1st time just before the boiling test. The burner relies on the dentured alcohol fumes burning and when the burner gets to a certain temperature you'll hear a pop and then the outer ring of holes then light up.
3:12 and 3:49
@@stevenclarke2592 apologies I see . Yes inside is a 100% cotton material band between the inner and outer wall
Well impressed mate and subbed .....now I want to order one....thank you fella for this awesome video 👍
Thanks
The Trangia should be allowed to bloom before starting the clock!
It was
Honestly wondering what's going on here because not too long ago I boiled two cups of water, which is more than 400 ml, in tests with a Trangia and with a knock off triangle got boils under 7 minutes. My tests were also outside in wind so I am really confused.
Also, weighing remaining fuel when you have a wick proves little, since wicks have different materials, thickness etc. The only way to test efficiency is to put the same amount of fuel in and see how long it burns after boil.
Variables are the word for any “test” water temp , air temp, fuel temp . Fuel
Type , wind , humidity etc . But if your knock off trangia works better your winning 🥇 👍🏻
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 yeah it's the Argos Titanium one that Paleohiker MD put me on to a few months back. It's support plate also works for solid fuel tabs.
Using triangle knock-offs is basically what you have to do in the United States. Trangia has cut off licensing for legitimate sales of the triangle in the US, and if you go to buy it through third party sellers you're paying ridiculous amounts of money. I'm still trying to figure out why you can legitimately buy every other piece of Trangia kit in the US but the triangle.
That said ultimately any of the triangles aren't really about efficiency imo, they are rather about giving a light weight stand option with more stability than the cross stands because the amount of wind protection is negligible and it doesn't trap heat either (unlike a cone or complete Clikstand set up.)
The Evernew set up here is similar imo. There are just too many holes to make the stand a true wind screen but you do have a much more stable platform. That is important with alcohol burners that can spill their contents.
@@johnschmalbach8243 ow like the one in my other video
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 I'll actually be responding to that video because I found out something interesting by experimenting with mine. Simply has to do with the geometry of the stove and how it mates with the Trangia burner.
Er no, first weigh them both empty then with fuel, that way it wont spill everywhere and you can account for any trapped fuel, easy enough to calculate the gram weight of fluid. Next, a lot of time/guess work when the lid is on, maybe leave it off. Lastly, the Trangia was designed for the aluminium cowl and sheild, not the little cross stand you have there so a lot of heat loss that other wise would be directed to the pot... good effort.
One of the best reviews around. I have a Redcamp. It is very nice, I may just buy the Evernew. I am not interested in the grams or boiling times. I use these stoves in a relaxed state. I have a few I made myself and they compare to all of them closely. I have the original Silverfire rocket stove and the silverfire Scout. They all have a place in my life. Thanks for this excellent video.
Thanks for the kind comment . People live a battle of what better in grams or time . I’m not fussed like what I like . But if people like watching this then it’s all good ! 👍🏻
I have 3 of these... they're fine, but they're not gonna replace my Trangias!
Ethanol weighs only about 3/4 what water weighs, volume being equal, so using the scale to measure mL, when the scale is calibrated for the density of water, not ethanol, will cause your mL reading to be significantly overstated.
Fair point
Thanks for your efforts. I am thinking of trying the DX system. Currently using trangia with a cheap Goshawk stand/windshield and boil time is about 81/2 minutes. Also tried it with a Trail Designs 12/10 soda can stove which reduces boil time and weight considerably. Would like to see DX out in the wild with some wind. Cheers 😁
Check out my brew video , up kinder scout , not a a gale but it high and open using the dx 👍🏻
Turn off the light I want to see.....thanks mate.
Diluting the fuel with a proper measure of water will bring those flames into check. Trangia recommends adding water to meths on very windy days.
Not somthing Iv done to bio ethanol. Meths yes
Not enough meat to cook a full meal, or is it?
In my Italian Apennines experience, all those stoves ultimately suffer wind enormously and need a windscreen. Of course, if one is prepared to boil water for coffee in 30 minutes it's all OK, but I find it not functional. When one adds a functional windscreen, one which is not defeated by wind itself, then the weight goes up substantially - as shown in the video - and it is not competitive any more with a gas stove. Another big problem is the stink coming from pink alcohol, but I have to admit I never tried bioethanol to see how much it stinks.
In a windless world, an alcohol burner would be OK, if used with something less stinky than pink alcohol. Wind is omnipresent in the mountains above the tree line and so, as much as I am attracted by the sheer simplicity and lightness of alcohol burners, I suggest anybody to try gas and compare 🙂. Gas is powerful, yet the flame can be very easily partialized, one must not estimate how much gas to use (or waste), and coming from alcohol burners, the easiness of use of gas is such a relief!
it's all great but I can carry the fuel inside the Trangia, and I can extinguish it with ease and use again later, where you can't do that with Evernew.
I hear you
I have the PF alcohol stove with a bottle base stove for a support. It's to great, but cheaper then this stove. The evernew may be cheaper in the long term but it 5 time more expensive then what I have. It would take a lot of trips to pay for itself.
I’m not familiar with a PF alcohol
Stove do you have a link to one ?
Just clicked pathfinder 👍🏻
Sorry I'm use to twitter. Abbreviations are a must there😂
Trangia can be stopped in a few seconds, how did you stop the evernew in it's stand???. It'll keep burning the fuel???
The trangia snuff works in it . But your correct in the stand with the plate you can’t . Without the plate in the stand the snuff works . But Iv found you can very simple learn how
Much fuel it will take and not over fill it
How did you put that furnace out? 😂
Was there a significant price advantage to buying it from Japan?
Also, the DX stand works fine as a small twig burner, handy feature if you run out of alcohol.
The price from eBay to my door was much cheaper than buying in the Uk saved me a lot of money . I can no longer find the same price to share a link😢
Trangia killer ...Not a chance ! Heard of Trangia triangle ? Now thats a Evernew killer
What type of ethernol are you using? Using bio-ethernol my stove ends up covered in soot
Add a little water 10%
Should have compared with Trangia 28 mini ?
is there a way to extinguish the flame on the oversew?
It didn’t come with anything . Trangia top works . Or just let it run out if you don’t over fill it to start with
The Evernew is interesting concept but there is no way hat the flame can be snuffed out with the stand in place and that would be a minus in my book
You can use the trangia snuff ! Or if you just add mallet amounts of fuel it’s not much of a problem Iv found !
Great test Chris and great style. You may want to have a look at my titanium pot Vs heat exchanger pot test I did recently. The wind shield effect was s big surprise. Cheers. Subbed
Sub returned , think I have watched it actually, the heat exchanger is simple but effective technology, Iv my eye on a USA stand and fitted heat exchanger pop to try with the alcohol stoves when it’s back in stock 👍🏻
Check out the Goshawk line of alcohol stove products - much cheaper!
Will do 👍🏻
Great informative video 👌🏻👍🏻
Have had a Trangia for years along with a few other meth stoves. This looks well cool though 😎
Would love to see how they both compare outside on the hills maybe with the Trangia Triangle and the protection the Evernew comes with.
Awesome stuff ill prob end up getting one too haha...cheers mate 👍🏻
ATB... Chris
Thanks for the nice comment , had the Evernew on the hills the other day worked well , Uk prices for trangia triangle as silly at the minute , but I will be getting one 🤞🏻
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 No worries! Ahh thats good to know then, do you litterally have to just let it burn out though as there is no snuff lid? Not an issue I suppose and would prob get used to knowing how much you need.
Yeah some prices for stuff have gone a bit crazy lately lol.
I see this is a new channel too? Will give you a sub mate to support your channel 💯👍🏻👍🏻
I love everything to do with the great outdoors so its cool to interact with like minded people here on our channels.
Take care mate 🙏🏼😁
Are the burners the same diameter? Could I use a Trangia burner in the Evernew stove and vice versa? I already have a few Trangia burners knocking about and I see you can buy the evernew burnerless for half the price.
Check out my do and Sony’s video I think I answer that question in that one , thanks for watching 👍🏻
Will the trangia fit into the evernew stand?
Bonjour So, evernew stove is better than trangia ?
Bonjour ... for me and what I want from it yes 👍🏻 but if your looking to manage the heat and cook meals trangia might be the one
Ok Merci 😉
fancy feast stove is the best.......
The problem with the Evernew is that the flame is to wide, hence your pothandle got to hot for comfort & as you've demonstrated leftover fuel is a mess to recover. Can't snuff it out unless one brings somekind of lid.. Also it blooms much slower then the Trangia especially in outdoor (cooler/windier) conditions.
The Evernew is just for boiling water, you can’t really cook with it, with very little practice you get to know how much fuel you need so you just don’t need a snuffer and you never have left over fuel.
The knock off Ti stoves from Tomshoo and others bloom slowly but the Evernew is about the same as a Trangia
I want both
Do it !!!
Been using the DX set for years, love it. Although I prefer using the Trangia (brass) over the Evernew (titanum) in the winter. Recommend watching old videos by Hiram Cook (he has/had(?) two channels on youtube)
Hello Chris, thanks for the review. I have been eyeballing that Evernew set-up for a while now. They are pricey, but they are some of the finest pieces of gear made. I have several but I have to know exactly it's a fit for me before I buy it.
One thing I believe that may have made a slight difference in your tests was the Evernew cross stand is only about 5/8" above the burner. The Trangia's sweet spot for height above burner is 1-1/8" above the burner. It makes a huge difference. I don't know if a different height would help or hurt the Evernew, but I would guess they have it dialed in for their stove, because IMHO all of their gear is top of the line.
Iv gone for evernew on weight and speed. The price was a big issue but with no moving parts if I don’t squash it it will last me and my kids a life time ( well that’s how I justified it 🤷🏻♂️)I was looking at the trangia triangle stand but Uk prices it was not much different to get the DX And stove !
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 Your right about the Trangia Triangle. Very pricey and almost impossible to find here in the USA.
Have you tried the Firebox Nano? It is my favorite for a Trangia stove and will also work with the Evernew, Trangia canister burner, andis a great small twig stove. It folds up into nice small compact case and also comes in a titanium model, $$$ of coarse for the titanium.
Looking at the Bushbox Ultralight Outdoor Pocket Stove for trangia again not cheap , but might be worth a video
@@bannister-lifeoutdoors8004 The Bushbox is very popular with the European crowd, (they are made in Germany if I remember correctly)and much like the Firebox stoves we have here. I've never seen one aside from being used in RUclips videos, but have never seen a review on one. Will be looking forward to seeing one if you get around to it.
Have my eye on the firebox xl as a wood stove 👍🏻
I just love all my "Tran-Gee-Ah" products, they're bullet proof 💪🏼
I cook food when I’m in the boonies. Simmering is important. And I don’t like wasting excess fuel. And I like reliability. Trangia checks those boxes.
Weigh the whole stove when you start, then weigh it after you use it lol. No sense in dumping it like that