You are the only person who has highlighted the horizontal stand height differences so kudos to you sir. I didn’t realize the horizontal stand that came with the disc drive was to accommodate the greater depth and no one addresses this. I installed the stand that came with the PS5 pro after installing my disc drive and it was no beuno.
Same. I was lowkey freaking out for a sec until I discovered the add-on disc drive came with there own feet and it obviously solved the issue. Crisis averted lol.
Just a few seconds in: the box says "disc free console" like it is something good or healthy like "sugar free soda" but in fact it is a car without wheels.
@@Shvabicu I think a lot of companies around the world, like Apple, Sony, Microsoft and many other companies are becoming more and more brazen in their business and it feels like they want to test people's psyche to a certain point and see what people are willing to pay. They've really gone crazy...
I'm fairly confident you'd feel differently if you had one in hand, I thought the same until I got mine yesterday and It's actually a really nice machine. It does feel cheaper though due to It being so much lighter.
@@Roboto82completely agree. got mine also yesterday and it looks cleaner, sleeker and overall more modern. Looking at my old fat ps5 now in the other room it does look a little dated alongside the ps5 pro
Decent video with accurate concise information. Regarding the drive, TronicFix did a video where he swapped drives from one PS5 to another and then back again. The first console recognised and remembered the drive from its first registration and he didn’t need to re-register it when he put it back in the first console. Either way, it’s simple and takes seconds, so no biggie.
This is exactly where the misinformation comes from I'm afraid. If you watch that video again, he cut where he had to register the drive again. So as I explained here, no matter what - drives are registered to 1 console at a time. Any time a swap happens, you replace registration.
I've literally watching this video (and the other two companion videos) step-by-step, following along to set-up my new PS5 Pro. Thank you so much for doing these tutorials on removing the covers, installing the Blu-Ray drive and the expansion SSD. I'm an autistic, visual learner. So watching you going through the process has been immensely helpful for me. With how much the PS5 Pro cost, I was apprehensive with adding on the optical and SSD Drives and extremely leery of the robustness of the plastic cover clips. But with your videos, it was a great help to get the job done. Thanks so much. Consider me "subscribed" to your RUclips channel. 👍
Mystic is one of the most consistent people on the platform, informative and high quality content every single time they upload. EDIT: He just upload a new LTP that is 40 minutes! How
Base ps5 could also. HDMI 2.1 standard. Technically not lying. It had the ability to display 8k, maybe not the power to play games at 8k, but it could display it. If you saved an 8k JPG on a usb, the ps5 would be able to display it lol
I did find the information with the disc drive useful and reassuring in regards to hearing that it is not a constant always online connection but instead a one-time connection to use it as much as possible even when offline, so thank you for that Mystic👍
Thank you for mentioning that small yet important detail about the plastic feet because I hadn’t seen anyone mention the difference in size yet. When I opened up the PS5 Pro box and the plastic feet included weren’t long enough to keep my PS5 pro from becoming slanted when I had the disc drive attached. I didn’t know at first there was feet that came with the disc drive box. (I opened the box from the bottom. So I did not initially see them). Once I switched out the feet. The Pro wasn’t lopsided anymore. Also additional note. I notice the disc drive is very loud. I feel it’s even louder than the OG PS5.
I’m going to keep crying about it and I don’t care if people get mad but having to buy a disc drive and a stand for a system that cost 700 dollars is just ridiculous.
Crazy thing is there's people like me around that don't even own any discs anymore, so why charge me more for a drive I'll never use, that's what is ridiculous
@@ryans413 I was fortunate enough to have Game Stop points so I got my stand for $1 and change and I been gave all my hard disks away amongst family and stepped into the new digital world
It really does. Dunno what they were thinking with the slim and pro redesigns. The increased reflectivity on the black portion just looks gaudy, and the cut through the white plates looks clumsy. Not to mention the stand situation, which wasn't great on the original model but was better than whatever the hell they're doing with the new ones.
Im planning on getting the phat 1200 used and mount and Nvme heatsink from ElecGear. It blows cooling performance out of the water compared to 1st party heatsinks.
Crazy that they still haven’t fixed the coil whine 4 years later and after 3 different PS5 models. All Sony had to do was insulate the PSU with that putty stuff like what is in the Xbox Series PSU’s which would cost pennies. Either that or it’s just a cheaper PSU that’s used. Shouldn’t be a thing in a £700 console though. That’s just more penny pinching from Sony imo.
Mine has none, I checked it yesterday. My original PS5 Digital from 2020 had very noticable coil whine and I hated it but the pro has absolutely none in the same scenarios. BUT the fan is louder and the console has some kind of vibration noise for me which I'll try to figure out.
Yes! The original fat model stand made it look like it was floating when set horizontally. This pro model has these chintzy little plastic feet that make it look cheap.
Got my disc drive installed last night, then started redownloading games. Fired up baldurs gate real quick to take a look. So far don’t notice any difference, but will try out other games later. Not sure it is worth it yet. The OG ps5 seemed to work just fine, but I’ll dig into it later tonight after work.
BG3 was the first game i fired up. i've put in 650 hours into the game and have a good feel for the usual performance. felt noticeably sharper with a slightly better frame rate pretty much instantly. certainly not world changing, but kinda cool. also noticed some odd behavior with some of the new mods but not sure if that's pro specific
How's the controller that came with it? The one that came with my PS5 pro feels lighter than my other controllers, the buttons feel like they stick when pressed in. I swear it feels cheaper.
Would love for you to add in the Fan noise as a test. Mine is definitely louder than the OG. Ran some tests and it's at about 42db in game, quiet in the menus. Not terribly loud but a noticeable change for the worse. Some are saying they hear no noise at all so maybe some manufacturing differences.
I had both and when I used monitor it was very noticeable around 42-45db while cfi1200 is around 35db very quiet. I almost regret selling the og for the slim but I use it with TV now so it’s pretty far away from me. Cant really hear the fan now.
@@sa-Y-to I mean obviously but some consoles are still very noticeable even if you sit far away. I am saying that even thou the slim is louder it’s unnoticeable if you use it with your tv and sit on your couch or something which is ideal.
03:05 - "We've got our Fatboy Slim Pro" - I see what you did there 😁 Could have even made it better by saying "We've got our Fatboy Slim Pro right here, right now" but I forgive you 😇
Mine makes little noises when i run games digitally… kind of annoyed cause the base ps5 didnt have those noises when i first got it unless i never noticed.
After having the console in hand i can say this: the packaging looks really cheap, the console itself looks cheap not really like a premium pro fessional console, the differences are not so notable, it could have been much better like twice as fast but it would have mean a big gap vs the ps5..but still the price has been doubled, no disk drive and stand makes it even cheaper and a stand is a must. I realky hope that they will make a limited edition similar to the 500 million one as this one is by no means premium
I'm not saying people shouldn't buy it if you want to buy it you should but for me the difference isn't worth trading in my launch PlayStation 5 to get this one after the trouble I went through to get the base ps5 in the first place back in 2021 with all the scalpers buying them all...plus I was lucky to get the Spiderman 2 faceplates for my ps5 so that's another reason
That's pretty much the last custom cover ps has done so far and I don't think the og ps5 is gonna get anymore custom covers, not even any more color console covers. Imma just have to buy all console covers for the OG model, I'm afraid they might be gone after a while.
My PS5 Pro also has coil whine, I exchanged mine on the first day. I got a new one and it's exactly the same. It's as you say though. Sensitive people might not be able to hear it, others might not, but it's definitely there. And it varies from game to game.
It’s not a defect it’s just how power supplies are when they have a load on them. You can hear the same thing in PCs or if you stand next to a power pole with a big transformer on it you can hear the wine as well. It’s not a defect but I can understand sensitive people might find it annoying but really the audio from my sound system drowns it out so I don’t even hear when playing games.
I expect it'll be like the launch day ps5 with about 70% of them having the cheap capacitors. My pro also has significant coil whine. I did return my og ps5 the very first week 4 years ago, but the one they returned was even worse.. This time I'll be smarter and buy a very long hdmi cable and return it in 12 months when they have a better revision. But I feel like it's important to return them at some point as Sony need to learn this is not ok. Also not all human brains are annoyed buy this, but quite a few are. Especially those with ASD.
@@Jasonsadventures Bro, you speak from my heart, I will do exactly the same as you. Firstly, I will get a long HDMI cable, that's a very good idea. Secondly, the PS5 Pro will be returned after twelve months, when we are still just within the warranty. Thirdly, I was diagnosed with ADHD at 34 and I find this coil beeping noise extremely annoying. And last but not least, yes, Sony must learn from simply installing cheap capacitors. But then charging such a high price. I mean, OK, we are graphics enthusiasts, we love it, but I think you have to be fair.
Still has the same crappy hdmi bandwidth as base ps5, doesn't support full rgb hdr in 120 hz mode. Pretty disappointing. Psvr2 games that rely on dynamic resolution look much better. That's the only thing keeping me from returning this thing.
I appreciate the mentioning of coil whine. It’s something I’ve always noticed but didn’t think much of since I’ve never seen it talked about. So glad to know it’s normal even though oddly enough my Series X in comparison is generally pretty quiet
I got the PS5 Standard disk version 2021 works great, no noise, low heat, plays almost all games great (Witcher 4 in Novigrad crashes regularly though), £500 odd at the time, no plans on buying the BS5 Pro at £800 in UK with disk drive, outrageous ripoff for a small improvement, will see what the PS6 brings in a few years 👌
Oh wow, they got Witcher 4 already over at the foggy island. 😂 jokes aside, but my OG ps5 is no ps4 pro jet engine but it’s sure as hell not silent and coil whine is insane. And of course - the drive… any time I start the console and there is a disc in the drive > it goes ballistic. My kid in the other room wakes up 2 out of 3 times and here goes daddy’s gaming time😢
@Solegor I got my PS5 Standard in Nov 2021 so I guess its a later variant from the 2020 OG, worked great since 👌 Got Forspoken Disk for £10 eBay, Sony Digital £70 lol 😅, Star Wars Outlaws Disk £34 eBay, Sony Digital £70 lol 😂 Screw Shabby Sony 👎😵
@@lavantz345 To be "fair" that includes disc drive, the stand and tax. We have tax already included in prices. But still. 800€ for the console alone. Disc drive is 120€.
About the coil whine, I have the original model (2nd version) and it seems like it stopped doing it after year and half. But it wasn't very present in the first place, it did it during cutscenes in Guardians of the Galaxy and in the GT7 menus.
I've got one, and it's certainly a £220 upgrade over the OG from what I've seen so far. It'll only get better next year as well once folk start releasing games made with it in mind. I had some fairly big achievments this year and I had the money spare so I thought fuck it why not? It's pretty clearly aimed at enthusiasts, so it's not like every PS5 owner is gonna buy one or even be expected to. If you're into your tech and you want the best possible visuals + performance it's an awesome piece of engineering, and you'll probably really enjoy it. If you're not that fussed about all that just save your money man. It seems to be a really solid mid-gen upgrade but the OG is still an excellent console and will be for many years yet
@@brucewaynenotbatman Because it was new just like a new phone stop supporting this nonsense that’s why these companies do it because you have no backbone only “Consume products and get excited for next” as years pass by it supposed to be cheaper not backwards especially a platform with such a weak lineup after four years
My PS Pro is generating a lot of heat, after a while I’m pretty sure it causes problems for my PS Link dongle which I now have to plug into the back of the console right next to the vent.
@@AllanS420 That's ok, if you originally downloaded your games. Mine stopped reading discs after about 2 years, some games I downloaded but most are on disc which means paying for them again. I also have quite a few PS4 games on the system, all of which are on disc
@@Keeacer maybe some dust got in to it ? because i had the same issue once but i cleaned everything and working fine now. Some models tho are notorious of failing. Maybe i was just lucky
Buying a ps5 today is like a IKEA table, it's all detached parts. It's almost 900 euros for the stand + ps5 + disc drive... maybe when it's a lil cheaper cause I need a new one because my launch one is getting tired lmao
The coin whine still being present is a joke for the price. My original ps5 has the whine and its very noticeable, not helped by the loud fan on my console (since launch). On the other hand my series x is pretty much deal silent
Love your content I have just got a ps5 pro and is noticeably louder to my ears than the ps5 and it has coil whine which I have never had in a console should I be concerned. keep the grate content coming
As for the thumbnail, what did Sony not tell us? The position of the CMOS battery? The disc drive handshake? I don't see anything that they should have told us beforehand.
Agreed, I think the all 3 versions of the PS4 look way better than the 3 versions of the PS5. I would have preferred if Sony stuck with a similar design aesthetic for the 5.
Picked mine up yesterday (along with the disk drive), it's my 3rd PS5 (I like to have one on multiple TVs). I can't see the problem with the price, it's a luxury item meaning you don't need one to survive. If you have a standard PS5 you're fine but if you're a techie like me and can swing it I don't see the problem. I got the original unit on release along with some of the revisions since, they all still work fine.
Did you know, when logged into the same account you can just swap the internal SSD and an external drive between consoles, no re-downloads necessary. Console just needs to be updated to the same firmware and be logged into the same account beforehand.
My arrives today when amazon original said monday! Im so excited! First games I'll play: FF7 Rebirth, Alan Wake 2 (physical baby!), and Stellar Blade NG+
I don't even plan on buying one but just by watching mystic unbox the PS5 pro, Why do I get the feeling I am being ripped off the same way when I unbox my Iphone 14 Pro 😂
It's probable due to the Hollywood requirement. Seem strange they would need to bother otherwise. They port all the big first party games to Windows anyway. Where it can and will be no effort pirated by millions without the expensive and complicated hardware hacks needed in every PS5 system someone would feel tempted to do the same in.
I have it but only see minor graphics improvement. Last of us 2 rm yes, Spiderman 2 very little, BO6 not sure if framerate or just my personal hope? Guess Ghost of Yotai and other new titles will rock
I had the money there for the pro but ended up putting it towards a 65” Samsung flagship OLED tv. I now have hdmi 2.1, 144hz, VRR and ALLM, I didn’t have these on my previous Sony 4k with my PS5. What I’m getting to here is if you don’t have a decent tv forget it.
I found installing the disc drive was a bit scary as it didn't just slot in on my first attempt. I moved it a bit and gave it a little push and it felt like nothing was happening so I picked it up again and noticed I had made a very tiny dent in the metal on the inside of the console next to the pin hole because it wasn't quite right in there. Lifted it up, jiggled it gently a little bit and PLOP suddenly it went in. I was a bit worried the dent would have done something but the PS5 Pro immediately picked up the disc drive and reads discs just fine (and is even a bit quieter than my launch model PS5) so I guess it was fine after all. Really had me sweating for a moment, though!
That is one thing I’ll give to Xbox, the quality of just everything from the internal design, to the components inside to the layout etc, it is just so incredibly well built and honestly makes PlayStations look cheap on the inside even the pro… and it’s just a smaller quieter console. Nothing wrong with ps of course they are amazing but I cannot say the same about quality. And they seem to break more than Xbox series X’s I’ve seen in repair shops etc etc
@@ARXInfiniteJust want to add, the only reason you’re seeing more ps5’s in repair shops is due to there simply being two are three times as many PS5’s as there is Series consoles.
@@ARXInfiniteSeries X is very well built and the hardware is better. No need to get a Pro if you have a Series X because it is going to run future titles like GTA 6 just fine.
I think the packaging box is more stable too for Xbox series. Not sure since I never touched one in person. But I do know the Nintendo switch box is very solid and not flimsy like the PS5 box. Seems like they would have made the ps5 packaging box more solid since it is bigger than the other two competitors consoles.
Not sure if this sounds a bit weird but could you do a video on how to properly remove the faceplates as I heard some people were having difficulty with them
I’m still playing with my new PS5 Pro, trying out lots of old games and new ones. I’m seeing many improvements across the board even at this early stage, over my ancient launch day PS5 🤗
I’ve owned a PS5 since launch. I bought the Pro. I bought the drive and stand. I’m happy with my purchase. It’s awesome. If you can afford it, you won’t regret the purchase.
Out of all the ridiculousness with this console (the lack of a disc drive, the pricey (non-included) vertical stand, the very subtle gaming improvements, etc) the most nonsensical thing IMHO is that the cover plates don't fit from the slim. LMAO
If you are talking about the packaging box, yep I agree. I just mentioned that too. I wish the box was solid and not flimsy, something like how they did the Nintendo switch box.
I'm actually surprised how awesome my pro looks. From pics online, I didn't expect much, but now that it's in my set-up, I love how it looks. I have mine set up horizontal with a disc drive, and with my steel series headset, and 2 dual sense edge controllers sitting next to it, pure sexy
@TISUAL I'm behind the times, I have the Siberia 840. Honestly it's still an amazing heat set. It had the control module that plugs into the PlayStation, gives you a lot of settings and options, plus keeps an additional battery charged. I haven't felt the need to upgrade whatsoever, and if I ever do I'll get another steel series
I haven’t used my edge in probably a year. But since I got the pro it’s probably gonna become my main controller with the Spider-Man controller being my back up while the edge charges
Fat PS3 gave you more value for 600 dollars then the PS5 pro for 700 dollars. Yea PS3 was expensive for the time but you got a Blu Ray player big for the time wireless internet big for the time wireless controller big for the time free PSN PS1 , PS2 playback 4 usb ports memory stick reader HDMI big for the time oh HD gaming big for the time. The console could also play CDs and DVDs and rip CDs to the hard drive. This thing was a tank and had tremendous value. What value dose the PS5 Pro have oh slightly less blurriness in games give me 700 dollars please.
@@ancientflames I would be surprised if it didnt as it looks amazing. I remember on quality mode how choppy it was where it was unplayable but now while panning the camera background looks a little choppy but mostly it's far improved. Especially cut scenes look like they are running higher than 60fps, very nice.
My PS5 Pro is sadly loud. Measuring around the console, it’s consistently 10dB-ish louder, which is twice as loud. The coil whine is also much, much more noticeable than on my launch PS5. Very disappointing as the console is all I hear when I am playing now. On the top of the console (on Returnal) I got 65dB!
@@Stormouflage I have one, got it at launch. I don’t know how it has a better library, it’s also definitely not a better CPU or GPU than PS5 Pro (and often was outperformed by PS5). As someone who primarily used Xbox for years, XSX favourite console I’ve ever had. The ecosystem, dashboard, games, MS’s direction, forced advertising, commerciality over customer, Gamepass forward set up is all counter to what I, as a game consumer, enjoy. The best thing about XSX is how it’s presented when you unbox it. From there it was a freefall downhill.
The Pro is louder than the OG models fan for sure. I can hear the Pro fan from roughly 1 metre away on my desk with my headphones on (open back Beyer tygr 300r) when i have all audio muted, when I could never hear the fan on my OG PS5. I was lucky with the OG PS5, I had the good fan + I had Dbrand darkplates with the fan cut out, so never had any overheating issues. I can definitely hear the pro fan when playing games, it's only subtle, but it is there. I wonder if the OG fan would fit the pro if i swapped them & plugged it in?
TIMESTAMPS:
0:21 - Size comparison box
1:05 - Unboxing PS5 Pro
3:00 - Size comparison PS5 consoles
4:32 - Ports / Specs
5:12 - Design
6:00 - Console covers
6:46 - Melissa being cute ❤
6:51 - Disc drive installation / plastic feet
8:27 - Cmos Battery
9:19 - m.2 SSD Slot
9:50 - Disc drive registration explained
11:38 - Noise test
13:01 - Vertical stand
15:43 - PS5 Pro Teardown
17:14 - Outro
Thank you, this has made it much easier to navigate.
We love Melissa cameos! Lil fluff ball hehe
@@tanz707the PS5 PRO basically follows a massive mistake from OnLive.
@@lorissantarsiero5849 Hehe :) Always lovely to have Melissa on camera.
@@tanz707You're welcome 👍🏻
You are the only person who has highlighted the horizontal stand height differences so kudos to you sir. I didn’t realize the horizontal stand that came with the disc drive was to accommodate the greater depth and no one addresses this. I installed the stand that came with the PS5 pro after installing my disc drive and it was no beuno.
Same. I was lowkey freaking out for a sec until I discovered the add-on disc drive came with there own feet and it obviously solved the issue. Crisis averted lol.
Nah, dreamcast guy did it first
So it does come with a stand ?
@@MrShadowofthewind It does for Horizontal , 2 small Plastic pin just like in the video , you only need to buy a stand if you want it Vertical
@@LucienLachance64 thanks to my store credit I paid one dollar and change for my stand at GameStop
Yeah I am going to keep my original PlayStation 5 disc edition
Reason ?
Cuz play has no limts... but our wallet does.@@milkymilkman
Good for you 👍
@@milkymilkman aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand why does he need a reason isn't it obvious LMAO
Just a few seconds in: the box says "disc free console" like it is something good or healthy like "sugar free soda" but in fact it is a car without wheels.
@@nickofzo hahaha Car without wheels... Buy separatly 😂😂 imagine...
@@Withtheclawthat's how cars nowadays feel like if you don't take some essential options for exorbitant surcharges
@@Shvabicu I think a lot of companies around the world, like Apple, Sony, Microsoft and many other companies are becoming more and more brazen in their business and it feels like they want to test people's psyche to a certain point and see what people are willing to pay. They've really gone crazy...
Its robbery. They charge you so much more but takes away the most valuable thing = disc drive
bad analogy Car without wheels cannot run while the ps5 without the disc drive can run
Appreciate you posting a little bit more the past couple of weeks ✅
It is supposed to be past 4 weeks.
PS5 Pro comes with free cat confirmed, genius move by Sony
Melissa was looking right at me. I felt like I was getting judged lol.
@@ryans413 Cats do that, and heart of heart you know they are right. Cat Dredd
My biggest problem with this console is that it doesn't come with disk drive
Same. Can you remove the drive from a PS5 disc version and rehome it onto the Pro?
@@doolittle_yes, you can order a disc drive for $80 or take it off a ps5 slim
@@doolittle_ Nope
@@doolittle_ Remove it from a slim, yes as he showcased in the video.
@@brynx24 unfortunately Disc Drives are still sold out in Europe since September.....
I still personally don’t think the pro looks anywhere near as premium as the original PS5’s from 2020
FACTS!
I'm fairly confident you'd feel differently if you had one in hand, I thought the same until I got mine yesterday and It's actually a really nice machine. It does feel cheaper though due to It being so much lighter.
@@Roboto82completely agree. got mine also yesterday and it looks cleaner, sleeker and overall more modern. Looking at my old fat ps5 now in the other room it does look a little dated alongside the ps5 pro
@@kc-me6wl honestly what is the reason for you buying the ps5 pro?
I thought the same thing until I got mine, and it is way better looking than the launch model.
Decent video with accurate concise information.
Regarding the drive, TronicFix did a video where he swapped drives from one PS5 to another and then back again.
The first console recognised and remembered the drive from its first registration and he didn’t need to re-register it when he put it back in the first console.
Either way, it’s simple and takes seconds, so no biggie.
This is exactly where the misinformation comes from I'm afraid. If you watch that video again, he cut where he had to register the drive again. So as I explained here, no matter what - drives are registered to 1 console at a time. Any time a swap happens, you replace registration.
5:11 lol kitty photobomb
Unexpected but welcome. 😂
@@shawnbenjamin9636the PS5 PRO also weighing like 198kgs.
Kate
Love all the size comparisons you did here
Men love this
I've literally watching this video (and the other two companion videos) step-by-step, following along to set-up my new PS5 Pro. Thank you so much for doing these tutorials on removing the covers, installing the Blu-Ray drive and the expansion SSD. I'm an autistic, visual learner. So watching you going through the process has been immensely helpful for me. With how much the PS5 Pro cost, I was apprehensive with adding on the optical and SSD Drives and extremely leery of the robustness of the plastic cover clips. But with your videos, it was a great help to get the job done. Thanks so much. Consider me "subscribed" to your RUclips channel. 👍
Respect on posting this at almost 2am EST. Fuck the views and the algorithm.
Ryan is the man
you do know he has a lot of viewers outside the US, right?
Yeah, because this channel is only accessible in America, and your very specific timezone.
I’m watching this outside the US. So just the right for me.
What, does the world revolve around EST? No, no it doesn't . Sit down, shut up and have a coke and a smile
Mystic is one of the most consistent people on the platform, informative and high quality content every single time they upload. EDIT: He just upload a new LTP that is 40 minutes! How
4:31 I love the Gameboy Micro comparison, actually made me laugh for some reason.
So weird that they removed the 8K label from the box on the Pro, even though it can technically do 8K now lmao.
Base ps5 could also.
HDMI 2.1 standard. Technically not lying. It had the ability to display 8k, maybe not the power to play games at 8k, but it could display it. If you saved an 8k JPG on a usb, the ps5 would be able to display it lol
Nobody needs 8K lol.
8k is alot of nonsense so dont go there yet.
@@DarthLordRaven 8k games existed a few years ago but not many
@@DarthLordRaventhey re still struggling to make games run at a stable 1080p60 we don't need 8k
People said my PS3 would die because of the CMOS, but it's still kicking
My fat PS3 from 2007 still works I don’t use it as much my Slim PS3 is my main PS3 but the fat still works and I’ve put a lot of hours on it.
this depends if you leave it on power there is no problem with the battery only kicks in when there is no ac power. the same as pc's do.
Right. I own 8 PS3s and they’re running like a champ.
I did find the information with the disc drive useful and reassuring in regards to hearing that it is not a constant always online connection but instead a one-time connection to use it as much as possible even when offline, so thank you for that Mystic👍
Thank you for mentioning that small yet important detail about the plastic feet because I hadn’t seen anyone mention the difference in size yet.
When I opened up the PS5 Pro box and the plastic feet included weren’t long enough to keep my PS5 pro from becoming slanted when I had the disc drive attached. I didn’t know at first there was feet that came with the disc drive box. (I opened the box from the bottom. So I did not initially see them). Once I switched out the feet. The Pro wasn’t lopsided anymore.
Also additional note. I notice the disc drive is very loud. I feel it’s even louder than the OG PS5.
Just what you'd expect from a 'premium' 'pro' product hey. Money well spent then
How is people like you able to buy a ps5 let alone make money...... Unbelievable
I’m going to keep crying about it and I don’t care if people get mad but having to buy a disc drive and a stand for a system that cost 700 dollars is just ridiculous.
And yet I bought it. 🤷🏻♂️
@@carlossandoval3986 that says a lot more about you than the person you're replying to, lol
To be honest it's just Sony being greedy on the money
Crazy thing is there's people like me around that don't even own any discs anymore, so why charge me more for a drive I'll never use, that's what is ridiculous
@@ryans413 I was fortunate enough to have Game Stop points so I got my stand for $1 and change and I been gave all my hard disks away amongst family and stepped into the new digital world
Thank you for clarifying the disc drive online requirement misinformation!
Am i the only one thinking the Phat Boy looks the best out of them all?
It really does. Dunno what they were thinking with the slim and pro redesigns. The increased reflectivity on the black portion just looks gaudy, and the cut through the white plates looks clumsy. Not to mention the stand situation, which wasn't great on the original model but was better than whatever the hell they're doing with the new ones.
Too big imo. And heavy.
Im planning on getting the phat 1200 used and mount and Nvme heatsink from ElecGear. It blows cooling performance out of the water compared to 1st party heatsinks.
Phat gang phat gang
it is
Let's Talk PlayStation midnight edition
Yutaro: is this LTPS?
@aegmail3070 I was unaware I said sell out (Joke) when making a joke
Cats make every video better.
The Melissa “meow” was the video highlight for me lol
Crazy that they still haven’t fixed the coil whine 4 years later and after 3 different PS5 models. All Sony had to do was insulate the PSU with that putty stuff like what is in the Xbox Series PSU’s which would cost pennies. Either that or it’s just a cheaper PSU that’s used. Shouldn’t be a thing in a £700 console though. That’s just more penny pinching from Sony imo.
Mine has none, I checked it yesterday. My original PS5 Digital from 2020 had very noticable coil whine and I hated it but the pro has absolutely none in the same scenarios. BUT the fan is louder and the console has some kind of vibration noise for me which I'll try to figure out.
Insert it costs too much comment here
Way to much I can get a decent gaming pc for £800
Valid only if you live outside the US. But it's still an optional upgrade
its 699 USD in the US??? but its 950 USD here in Malaysia which is just... DAMN
It costs too much
People can’t help themselves
Still like large PS5 it's beautiful ❤
Nothing yells "Pro", or $700 worth of premium, as two plastic stands that look like your mother's cheap bathroom curtain hangers
Ikr? So much money and they didn’t e.g. fix or reduce the coil whine noise.
@@schneckenwillylmao wtf are you talking about mines has no noise what so ever yall bums hate on anything and anyone
@@schneckenwillymy launch base PS5 and now my PS5 pro do not have any coil whine at all
Be careful Sony fans get butthurt super easy when you criticize their corporate overlords.
@@Throbingkcoc Haha true. You can hear it clearly in this video and these muppets claim it doesn’t exist.
Call me bias... but I feel that the OG model laid horizontally... is the most premium 'looking' PS5
I guess the correct word is biased. No one will call you bias.
Especially in black
Yes you are very bias
Yes! The original fat model stand made it look like it was floating when set horizontally. This pro model has these chintzy little plastic feet that make it look cheap.
Looks like a joke laying it down
the OG ps5 still looks the best. both slim and pro to me doesn't look that good and the stand is just not matching with the console at all.
I should be asleep but gonna watch this anyway
Got my disc drive installed last night, then started redownloading games. Fired up baldurs gate real quick to take a look. So far don’t notice any difference, but will try out other games later. Not sure it is worth it yet. The OG ps5 seemed to work just fine, but I’ll dig into it later tonight after work.
BG3 was the first game i fired up. i've put in 650 hours into the game and have a good feel for the usual performance. felt noticeably sharper with a slightly better frame rate pretty much instantly. certainly not world changing, but kinda cool. also noticed some odd behavior with some of the new mods but not sure if that's pro specific
How's the controller that came with it? The one that came with my PS5 pro feels lighter than my other controllers, the buttons feel like they stick when pressed in. I swear it feels cheaper.
@ don’t know, I have an elite so I use that one. The one that came with it is still in the styrofoam plastic wrap stuff
“The OG ps5 seemed to work just fine”…. So why the hell did you decide to buy a Pro then?
Would love for you to add in the Fan noise as a test. Mine is definitely louder than the OG. Ran some tests and it's at about 42db in game, quiet in the menus. Not terribly loud but a noticeable change for the worse. Some are saying they hear no noise at all so maybe some manufacturing differences.
Same here. My og model was whisper quiet, and the pro got a bit louder.
The launch units db would also reach those db so it’s still the same sound lol
I had both and when I used monitor it was very noticeable around 42-45db while cfi1200 is around 35db very quiet. I almost regret selling the og for the slim but I use it with TV now so it’s pretty far away from me. Cant really hear the fan now.
@@sa-Y-to I mean obviously but some consoles are still very noticeable even if you sit far away. I am saying that even thou the slim is louder it’s unnoticeable if you use it with your tv and sit on your couch or something which is ideal.
03:05 - "We've got our Fatboy Slim Pro" - I see what you did there 😁 Could have even made it better by saying "We've got our Fatboy Slim Pro right here, right now" but I forgive you 😇
Mine makes little noises when i run games digitally… kind of annoyed cause the base ps5 didnt have those noises when i first got it unless i never noticed.
I Haven't Heard Those Noises On The OG PS5
I made my own ps5 Pro Stand with the stand from the OG ps5 😂😂 I simply drilled a whole through the stand and use the same screw.
After having the console in hand i can say this: the packaging looks really cheap, the console itself looks cheap not really like a premium pro fessional console, the differences are not so notable, it could have been much better like twice as fast but it would have mean a big gap vs the ps5..but still the price has been doubled, no disk drive and stand makes it even cheaper and a stand is a must. I realky hope that they will make a limited edition similar to the 500 million one as this one is by no means premium
Awesome stuff, keep it up Ryan!
I'm not saying people shouldn't buy it if you want to buy it you should but for me the difference isn't worth trading in my launch PlayStation 5 to get this one after the trouble I went through to get the base ps5 in the first place back in 2021 with all the scalpers buying them all...plus I was lucky to get the Spiderman 2 faceplates for my ps5 so that's another reason
That's pretty much the last custom cover ps has done so far and I don't think the og ps5 is gonna get anymore custom covers, not even any more color console covers. Imma just have to buy all console covers for the OG model, I'm afraid they might be gone after a while.
Honestly I thought the scalpers would be a problem. But I was able to order one from my job this morning. (15% discount for the win baby)
My PS5 Pro also has coil whine, I exchanged mine on the first day. I got a new one and it's exactly the same. It's as you say though. Sensitive people might not be able to hear it, others might not, but it's definitely there. And it varies from game to game.
It’s not a defect it’s just how power supplies are when they have a load on them. You can hear the same thing in PCs or if you stand next to a power pole with a big transformer on it you can hear the wine as well. It’s not a defect but I can understand sensitive people might find it annoying but really the audio from my sound system drowns it out so I don’t even hear when playing games.
I expect it'll be like the launch day ps5 with about 70% of them having the cheap capacitors. My pro also has significant coil whine. I did return my og ps5 the very first week 4 years ago, but the one they returned was even worse.. This time I'll be smarter and buy a very long hdmi cable and return it in 12 months when they have a better revision. But I feel like it's important to return them at some point as Sony need to learn this is not ok. Also not all human brains are annoyed buy this, but quite a few are. Especially those with ASD.
@@Jasonsadventures Bro, you speak from my heart, I will do exactly the same as you. Firstly, I will get a long HDMI cable, that's a very good idea. Secondly, the PS5 Pro will be returned after twelve months, when we are still just within the warranty. Thirdly, I was diagnosed with ADHD at 34 and I find this coil beeping noise extremely annoying. And last but not least, yes, Sony must learn from simply installing cheap capacitors. But then charging such a high price. I mean, OK, we are graphics enthusiasts, we love it, but I think you have to be fair.
@@Withtheclaw how do you return it within a year?
@@Talisac80 I took out an additional warranty through the store where I bought it, which also covers things like this.
Im happy with my slim, i always got the slim version since ps1 to ps5 slim, except ps3 i took super slim 😁
For all those who bought into the ps5 pro dbrand have a magnetic stand so it’s a must if you want your console horizontal and to sit safely
5:05 THIS is what I came for
All in one video, concise and to the point. Bravo! Subbed!
Still has the same crappy hdmi bandwidth as base ps5, doesn't support full rgb hdr in 120 hz mode. Pretty disappointing.
Psvr2 games that rely on dynamic resolution look much better. That's the only thing keeping me from returning this thing.
I appreciate the mentioning of coil whine. It’s something I’ve always noticed but didn’t think much of since I’ve never seen it talked about. So glad to know it’s normal even though oddly enough my Series X in comparison is generally pretty quiet
Xbox series X is super quite compared to my PS5, I've had two Xbox's and they made way less noise... my PS5 sounds like a spaceship taking off..
I have both plus a PS5 pro. My XSX and launch day PS5 are very quiet, literally silent almost. The pro is definitely a little louder.
I got the PS5 Standard disk version 2021 works great, no noise, low heat, plays almost all games great (Witcher 4 in Novigrad crashes regularly though), £500 odd at the time, no plans on buying the BS5 Pro at £800 in UK with disk drive, outrageous ripoff for a small improvement, will see what the PS6 brings in a few years 👌
Oh wow, they got Witcher 4 already over at the foggy island. 😂 jokes aside, but my OG ps5 is no ps4 pro jet engine but it’s sure as hell not silent and coil whine is insane. And of course - the drive… any time I start the console and there is a disc in the drive > it goes ballistic. My kid in the other room wakes up 2 out of 3 times and here goes daddy’s gaming time😢
@Solegor I got my PS5 Standard in Nov 2021 so I guess its a later variant from the 2020 OG, worked great since 👌 Got Forspoken Disk for £10 eBay, Sony Digital £70 lol 😅, Star Wars Outlaws Disk £34 eBay, Sony Digital £70 lol 😂 Screw Shabby Sony 👎😵
950€ in Europe. I can't get over the insane pricing. (That includes disc drive, stand and tax)
Obviously the PS6 will be even more expensive. It's making it easier by each generation to go for a PC instead
@@heretic124 950 euros?! Damn they're absolutely fleecing for that price
€950 is so out of touch. My PC that runs ANYTHING that exists costs just a few hundred euros more. (Approximately €1100)
@@lavantz345it is 799 euros in my country. Probably he meant with disk and stand.
@@lavantz345 To be "fair" that includes disc drive, the stand and tax. We have tax already included in prices. But still. 800€ for the console alone. Disc drive is 120€.
About the coil whine, I have the original model (2nd version) and it seems like it stopped doing it after year and half. But it wasn't very present in the first place, it did it during cutscenes in Guardians of the Galaxy and in the GT7 menus.
If you really want Quality Mode at 60fps, go for the Pro. If you're ok with Quality Mode at 30fps, stick with the normal standard ps5.
Performance is good enough, we play games we don't zoom in and sightsee with binoculars.
I want to say my husband is a biggest fan of your page. He is a die hard PlayStation and one day he wants to stream he stuff in RUclips.
$700 without a disc drive is crazy work
800 with one added, crazy
For real
I've got one, and it's certainly a £220 upgrade over the OG from what I've seen so far. It'll only get better next year as well once folk start releasing games made with it in mind. I had some fairly big achievments this year and I had the money spare so I thought fuck it why not?
It's pretty clearly aimed at enthusiasts, so it's not like every PS5 owner is gonna buy one or even be expected to. If you're into your tech and you want the best possible visuals + performance it's an awesome piece of engineering, and you'll probably really enjoy it. If you're not that fussed about all that just save your money man. It seems to be a really solid mid-gen upgrade but the OG is still an excellent console and will be for many years yet
@@brucewaynenotbatman Because it was new just like a new phone stop supporting this nonsense that’s why these companies do it because you have no backbone only “Consume products and get excited for next” as years pass by it supposed to be cheaper not backwards especially a platform with such a weak lineup after four years
@@balloonedraccoon2503 so I’m guessing adding one for $800 would be better ??
My PS Pro is generating a lot of heat, after a while I’m pretty sure it causes problems for my PS Link dongle which I now have to plug into the back of the console right next to the vent.
worth it for me, shame theres no disc drives in stock though
Was waiting specifically for you Mystic
I have original ps5 disc version when it was released and i think its enough for me for at least 3 more years.
Unless it stops reading your discs
@@Keeacer if it happens, then i just use it digitally 😃
@@AllanS420 That's ok, if you originally downloaded your games. Mine stopped reading discs after about 2 years, some games I downloaded but most are on disc which means paying for them again. I also have quite a few PS4 games on the system, all of which are on disc
@@Keeacer maybe some dust got in to it ? because i had the same issue once but i cleaned everything and working fine now. Some models tho are notorious of failing. Maybe i was just lucky
Buying a ps5 today is like a IKEA table, it's all detached parts. It's almost 900 euros for the stand + ps5 + disc drive... maybe when it's a lil cheaper cause I need a new one because my launch one is getting tired lmao
This ps5 pro would been a nice value if it came with dual sense edge and disc drive bundled in the box
The coin whine still being present is a joke for the price. My original ps5 has the whine and its very noticeable, not helped by the loud fan on my console (since launch). On the other hand my series x is pretty much deal silent
Personally not worth the 700+ upgrade considering the pro enhanced games are still capped at 30fps, no disc drive
Exactly.
They aren't capped at 30fps though
Love your content I have just got a ps5 pro and is noticeably louder to my ears than the ps5 and it has coil whine which I have never had in a console should I be concerned. keep the grate content coming
Send it back...
As for the thumbnail, what did Sony not tell us? The position of the CMOS battery? The disc drive handshake? I don't see anything that they should have told us beforehand.
PS4 Pro was still my fav looking unit. PS5 can even sit on a desk flush, drives me crazy.
Agreed, I think the all 3 versions of the PS4 look way better than the 3 versions of the PS5. I would have preferred if Sony stuck with a similar design aesthetic for the 5.
That coil whine would drive me nuts.
It's not that bad it depends which game you playing base playstation 5 whas much worser
Picked mine up yesterday (along with the disk drive), it's my 3rd PS5 (I like to have one on multiple TVs). I can't see the problem with the price, it's a luxury item meaning you don't need one to survive. If you have a standard PS5 you're fine but if you're a techie like me and can swing it I don't see the problem. I got the original unit on release along with some of the revisions since, they all still work fine.
$959.99 plus tax here in Canada 😂 . Seriously!? 😂 no thanks I’ll stick with the slim which has a disc drive.
It’s going to get even more expensive than that because of Trump and his tariff fee increase.
I bought a third party stand from Amazon that is half the price and looks and works identical to the Sony branded one.
Did you know, when logged into the same account you can just swap the internal SSD and an external drive between consoles, no re-downloads necessary.
Console just needs to be updated to the same firmware and be logged into the same account beforehand.
It’s what I did, moved everything to my PS5 added 2TB SSD, then just put it in my new PS5 Pro. Nearly 2TB of games. Job done 👍
But your settings
You gotta manually do that
@@TheUncleSpiderX nope! Backed my PS5 settings to and external SSD, then restored them to new PS5 Pro. Job done 👍
My arrives today when amazon original said monday! Im so excited! First games I'll play: FF7 Rebirth, Alan Wake 2 (physical baby!), and Stellar Blade NG+
SHEEP!
I don't even plan on buying one but just by watching mystic unbox the PS5 pro, Why do I get the feeling I am being ripped off the same way when I unbox my Iphone 14 Pro 😂
The console comparison next to the fat ps3 shows just how ahead of its time that’s consoles design was. Still looks surprising modern imo.
I hope jailbreaks will eliminate the need for online drive registration
It's probable due to the Hollywood requirement. Seem strange they would need to bother otherwise. They port all the big first party games to Windows anyway. Where it can and will be no effort pirated by millions without the expensive and complicated hardware hacks needed in every PS5 system someone would feel tempted to do the same in.
I have it but only see minor graphics improvement. Last of us 2 rm yes, Spiderman 2 very little, BO6 not sure if framerate or just my personal hope? Guess Ghost of Yotai and other new titles will rock
I had the money there for the pro but ended up putting it towards a 65” Samsung flagship OLED tv. I now have hdmi 2.1, 144hz, VRR and ALLM, I didn’t have these on my previous Sony 4k with my PS5.
What I’m getting to here is if you don’t have a decent tv forget it.
Yes sir. On the money 😊
I found installing the disc drive was a bit scary as it didn't just slot in on my first attempt. I moved it a bit and gave it a little push and it felt like nothing was happening so I picked it up again and noticed I had made a very tiny dent in the metal on the inside of the console next to the pin hole because it wasn't quite right in there. Lifted it up, jiggled it gently a little bit and PLOP suddenly it went in. I was a bit worried the dent would have done something but the PS5 Pro immediately picked up the disc drive and reads discs just fine (and is even a bit quieter than my launch model PS5) so I guess it was fine after all. Really had me sweating for a moment, though!
I was hoping they will finally solve the coil whine thing on this expensive console.
I was wrong.
That is one thing I’ll give to Xbox, the quality of just everything from the internal design, to the components inside to the layout etc, it is just so incredibly well built and honestly makes PlayStations look cheap on the inside even the pro… and it’s just a smaller quieter console. Nothing wrong with ps of course they are amazing but I cannot say the same about quality. And they seem to break more than Xbox series X’s I’ve seen in repair shops etc etc
@@ARXInfiniteJust want to add, the only reason you’re seeing more ps5’s in repair shops is due to there simply being two are three times as many PS5’s as there is Series consoles.
@@ARXInfiniteyeah here comes the fake ass I see more in repairs shop story
@@ARXInfiniteSeries X is very well built and the hardware is better. No need to get a Pro if you have a Series X because it is going to run future titles like GTA 6 just fine.
I think the packaging box is more stable too for Xbox series. Not sure since I never touched one in person. But I do know the Nintendo switch box is very solid and not flimsy like the PS5 box. Seems like they would have made the ps5 packaging box more solid since it is bigger than the other two competitors consoles.
Not sure if this sounds a bit weird but could you do a video on how to properly remove the faceplates as I heard some people were having difficulty with them
PS portal still stutters with the ps5 pro, FYI.
My portal works flawlessly no stutter don’t know about you
That’s because the stuttering is caused by internet speed, not the ability of the console itself
I’m still playing with my new PS5 Pro, trying out lots of old games and new ones. I’m seeing many improvements across the board even at this early stage, over my ancient launch day PS5 🤗
I see they don't have 8K on the pro box either now huh
I’ve owned a PS5 since launch. I bought the Pro. I bought the drive and stand. I’m happy with my purchase. It’s awesome. If you can afford it, you won’t regret the purchase.
Literal bot comment.
For me I get the stand on Temu because they have one that lights up to match the blue light on the system and it cheaper and nice looking. 😅😂
Until it blows up your usb port, assuming the light is powered over usb
The ultimate PlayStation fan that’s still rational and not a fanboy
Melissa jump scare @ 5:09
The coil whine on my ps5 slim drives me crazy it’s more of a high pitched noise. It’s not mega loud just annoying.
Out of all the ridiculousness with this console (the lack of a disc drive, the pricey (non-included) vertical stand, the very subtle gaming improvements, etc) the most nonsensical thing IMHO is that the cover plates don't fit from the slim. LMAO
In your opinion its better have the Ps5 horizontal or vertical? Or have no issue both ways ?
I had mine vertical for 3 years....but recently put it horizontally in my AV rack...and I much prefer it 👍
Can’t believe they’re still using this terrible packaging even for the Pro version. PlayStation packaging designers should find another job.
If you are talking about the packaging box, yep I agree. I just mentioned that too. I wish the box was solid and not flimsy, something like how they did the Nintendo switch box.
@ yes. Or look at the packaging Meta has been doing for years. So much better.
Same, I felt like mine had already been unboxed and re-packaged when I got it.
Got mine last night, was waiting on this video to set mine up while I watched 😂
Just yank it...😂
Mystic upload LETS GOOO
I'm actually surprised how awesome my pro looks. From pics online, I didn't expect much, but now that it's in my set-up, I love how it looks.
I have mine set up horizontal with a disc drive, and with my steel series headset, and 2 dual sense edge controllers sitting next to it, pure sexy
Which steel series headset you got?
@TISUAL
I'm behind the times, I have the Siberia 840. Honestly it's still an amazing heat set. It had the control module that plugs into the PlayStation, gives you a lot of settings and options, plus keeps an additional battery charged. I haven't felt the need to upgrade whatsoever, and if I ever do I'll get another steel series
I haven’t used my edge in probably a year. But since I got the pro it’s probably gonna become my main controller with the Spider-Man controller being my back up while the edge charges
The original PS3 look more premium lmao !
For real! 😂😂
Fat Ps3 still one of my favorite console designs to this day.
Fat PS3 gave you more value for 600 dollars then the PS5 pro for 700 dollars. Yea PS3 was expensive for the time but you got a Blu Ray player big for the time wireless internet big for the time wireless controller big for the time free PSN PS1 , PS2 playback 4 usb ports memory stick reader HDMI big for the time oh HD gaming big for the time. The console could also play CDs and DVDs and rip CDs to the hard drive. This thing was a tank and had tremendous value. What value dose the PS5 Pro have oh slightly less blurriness in games give me 700 dollars please.
@@ryans413 Right lol oh you want to play physical games with no ability for backwards compatibility? Another $80 please lol
I played mine yestrday for about 10 hours😂 and mine doesnt have coil whine yet. To note i did play spiderman 2 on fidelity pro mode
Ryan doinng a 17 minute video on how not to waste your money, lol.
Got mine yesterday and love it! Played ff7 remake and while not patched it definitely runs and looks a lot better on quality mode. PSSR is amazing
I don’t think it even uses pssr if it hasn’t been patched.
@@ancientflames I would be surprised if it didnt as it looks amazing. I remember on quality mode how choppy it was where it was unplayable but now while panning the camera background looks a little choppy but mostly it's far improved. Especially cut scenes look like they are running higher than 60fps, very nice.
To much fan noise.. i regret buying the pro version
My PS5 Pro is sadly loud. Measuring around the console, it’s consistently 10dB-ish louder, which is twice as loud. The coil whine is also much, much more noticeable than on my launch PS5. Very disappointing as the console is all I hear when I am playing now. On the top of the console (on Returnal) I got 65dB!
My best advice is to buy an Xbox series x. Its truly a great console, it has a better CPU and GPU than the ps5, superior games, better ecosystem, etc.
My Pro has the same noise level as my destop PC, which was a lot of money but.
@@Stormouflage I have one, got it at launch. I don’t know how it has a better library, it’s also definitely not a better CPU or GPU than PS5 Pro (and often was outperformed by PS5). As someone who primarily used Xbox for years, XSX favourite console I’ve ever had. The ecosystem, dashboard, games, MS’s direction, forced advertising, commerciality over customer, Gamepass forward set up is all counter to what I, as a game consumer, enjoy. The best thing about XSX is how it’s presented when you unbox it. From there it was a freefall downhill.
More appearances from your cat please 🐈⬛
The Pro is louder than the OG models fan for sure.
I can hear the Pro fan from roughly 1 metre away on my desk with my headphones on (open back Beyer tygr 300r) when i have all audio muted, when I could never hear the fan on my OG PS5.
I was lucky with the OG PS5, I had the good fan + I had Dbrand darkplates with the fan cut out, so never had any overheating issues.
I can definitely hear the pro fan when playing games, it's only subtle, but it is there. I wonder if the OG fan would fit the pro if i swapped them & plugged it in?
Nice unboxing and review of your PS5 Pro. It's good to have to put a disc drive.