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This helloSystem feels more like a "helloWorld" to me. The fact that they took the time to publish a "Reviewer's guide" and implement VM detection on top of that, just for all of it to be the thing that it is.... what a shitpost of an OS.
I wonder if the self-bricking might have been a part of the VM detection... That attitude seems like the sort of person who might have the OS selfdestruct if run in a VM...
From what little I've seen, the developers of HelloSystem seem a bit too far up their own backsides for my liking. Haiku seems like something more people would want to actually use once there is more broad hardware compatibility for proper hardware based 3D acceleration,, and web browsers actually worth using as Web Positive, and the current builds of Falkon are still kind of jank.
To all the people who say the terminal is too difficult and complicated, the whole song and dance that was required to install Firefox could have been accomplished with typing "sudo pkg install firefox" in a terminal window and pressing enter
People who have an issue with this don’t acknowledge how many clicks it takes to download on a website. Yea you have to remember commands but when you do it’s soooooo much easier.
Firefox is not a great example. now I have to run like 10 commands to remove snap, then change the default Firefox install command so it doesn't re-download snap and installs the Deb version again.
@polocatfan I don't think, that this OS which isn't based on the Linux kernel and isn't using systemd as an init system is using snap. The snap Firefox problem is more an Ubuntu thing.
tbh honest, it all comes with what you crunch hours and get used to it. I was an avid DOS and Windows 3.x-9x user, then when xp came out moved to Linux, and didn't touch windows till last year when I went back to university and had to use Visual Studio (17 years later)... It took me weeks to learn how to do a lot of stuff. Unintuitive as hell for me compared to Win98. I still struggle when I need to change settings. I finish now, and will never install Windows11, so curious to know how it will be in another 17 years.
I don't know man, that Hello System thing sure looks like a faithful MacOS clone. It hates when you install it on unapproved hardware, it hates when you install applications from outside the approved way of doing so, and it makes the most mondain tasks hard as hell if you step outside the very narrow way it wants you to do them. 10/10, just as big of a dumpster fire as the real thing. But seriously, I don't know how they screwed all that up. All they had to do was start with NomadBSD/GhostBSD with Gnome or KDE installed and the menubar enabled, do a few thinks to tweak the default menus, then ship it. How do you screw that up?
Toaru OS was definitely named after the light novel and anime series Toaru Majutsu No Index aka A Certain Magical Index. Misaka and Kuroko are the names of two popular characters. Pretty cool to learn my favorite series has an operating system named after it.
Fun fact: the ReactOS theming system is in the same format as XP's. I once copied the famous Luna theme from XP and put it in a react VM's themes folder, and it _actually worked!_ However, that's also how I discovered that not only is the "start" text...actually rendered as text, but the flag logo is _not_ baked into the start button! It's a separate graphic placed onto the blank button! Thus, the word "start" looked off due to a font difference and the genuine XP start button graphic still had the ReactOS globe icon placed onto it instead of the XP flag.
there's a registry entry somewhere that contains the start button text. It's probably made that way for multi language support. But yeah I once changed the start button to say "soap"
Fun fact about BeOS: Apple got very close to acquiring it and turning it into the official Mac OS. This deal fell apart, and they decided to acquire NeXT instead, and that OS formed the basis of what became Mac OSX.
@@hollyc5417 I think it was. The price was just to high for Apple back then. Somewhat later Apple bought NeXT instead for 4 times the price. But i guess it was worth it considering it also gave it Steve Jobs
Internally Apple was deciding between attempting to purchase NeXT or Be, or developing their next OS (codenamed Copeland) in house - interestingly Be also had a former apple employee, Gassée, in charge who succeeded Jobs on the Mac project
What? No 9front/Plan 9 from Bell Labs? That may be right up your alley for a deep dive actually. Not only is 9 historically significant, but 9p, Inferno, Golang, and a host of other things are intimately tangled in that mess. And a bunch of turbonerds (myself included) use it as a secondary or even primary OS in the modern 9front distro.
I was just about to comment, I'm shocked that 9front wasn't included. It's almost usable as a daily driver, crazy the amount of work that's been done in the last few years
I love how Doom was so ubiquitous with its open source and simple engine that it’s a baseline for the completeness of anything with a computer and screen.
K Lange is Kevin Lange who basically started out working on ToAruOS on the side of working tech jobs in SF as a learning project. Then he moved to Japan and eventually seemingly getting too many things to do on the side of working tech jobs to have time to work on the os.
Nice vid! I am actually in a middle of recording a Operating System iceberg video myself. Gotta say, I find it pretty interesting how 90% of these are either unix-like or unix-based. Only a few outliers... shows you how influential Unix was
I plan to turn an old 2010 Thinkpad into my travel laptop with Haiku! They have support for thousands of apps, and i’m pretty excited to be able to use it!
My main laptop is a 2011 Thinkpad T520 (upgraded to have 10 gigs of ram), the NVIDIA gpu was such a pain in the ass but it somewhat works now. no vulkan, openGL only, everything runs like shit, it runs arcolinux. But i love it, it's an amazing laptop, very high quality as expected from an old thinkpad.
For old laptops ill always say that xubuntu is superior. You get the latest kernels and software in a stable and popular distribution family but with a super light window manager. It runs well on a potato.
Love the video, but was surprised to see you confused at hellosystem's "screen resolution" menu since it looked like it was just arandr a pretty common linux utility
That was 100% arandr. It’s all good, I was lost the first time I used it too. It gets better when you have to have it save a xrandr script that you then have to change to executable, then put in your configuration file that you want it to run that script every time you login to your os 😅
OMFG... SerenityOS sounds like literally everything I want in a *modern* OS. Retro, classic Windows style at first glance? Check. UNIX-like under the hood? Check. Modern features to bring it kicking and screaming into the present? Hell yes. Move on over ReactOS. You seemed cool... like two decades ago. But now you're old, still buggy as hell, still can't do much without crashing; becoming more and more obsolete by the day by the evolution of Windows itself, and how many Windows applications would I even care to run these days? Probably like... two. This is like taking an old Linux distro I used for a bit which used the Equinox Desktop environment... but it sounds like SerenityOS pushed that concept to the max. I can't wait for ISOs to be available and to try this thing out.
11:37 You're looking at arandr, a common utility for changing X11 display settings, with the menubar up top and no text on the icons. Sounds like something Apple would implement, I guess mission accomplished?
If the illustration at 0:08 was accurate, Windows would be bludgeoning Mac and Linux with a tire iron while obscure OS's stare on in horror. Also helloSystems is ironic since they're doing everything they hate about Apple.
I feel amazed of people putting effort into doing these OSs, even if they know they aren't going to be used. I seriously love it, it makes me happy. Just making software for the sake of it, projects made with passion and love, despite their obvious drawbacks.
Trying helloSystem in a virtual machine is unfair because they clearly know there are problems there but it's not worth fixing. Of course it doesn't excuse the design, but I wouldn't go as far as saying all the issues would appear in bare metal. I wonder if you tried the nightlies for ReactOS since it's the recommended way of installing it from the developers. The person responsible for the versioning doesn't want to update it.
I dont know how you could possibly mess up an OS enough to have it not work in virtual machines (asides from drivers, but those clearly weren't the problem here)
BeOS first successor was ZETA from YellowTab. On German RTL shopping channel they even sold a sort MediaBox PC with it preinstalled. ZETA allowed me to boot a system, start a browser (a Swedish FireFox with an English language pack), look up a public transport connection and shut the system down within less than 5 minutes (on a PC that needed about three minutes to boot Windows).
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if talking about obscure, you gotta talk about OS/2 mate while it is paid, it is pretty dope, there is a modern continuation called ArcaOS, I don't expect you to necessarily shill out $140 for an obscure OS license, but I would expect at least an outside overview of what it's supposed to be able to do and its history, or something
I was actually going to include osFree, a Russian open-source reimplementation of OS/2, but it was difficult to cover due to the visuals (or lack thereof)
Omg omg omg hello from your newest subscriber. Time to investigate even more esoteric random OSs! I have a list! And you tackled some of them! Here’s the whole list for random cool RUclipsrs to investigate👀 The BSDs: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, GhostBSD, DragonFly BSD, MidnightBSD, NomadBSD, BSDRP, StarBSD, CheriBSD, PureDarwin, helloSystem Unix: OpenIndiana/Illumos… Unix-Like: 9Front, HelenOS, Xv6, Fiwix, ELKS Embedded, MINIX, GNU/Hurd, RedoxOS, SerenityOS,, Fuschia, QNX Neutrino, Fiwix, NuttX, T-Kernel, ToaruOS non-UNIX: ReactOS, Haiku (POSIXish), Phantom OS, osFree (open source OS/2), ArcaOS (closed-source OS/2).❤ Also SculptOS and Visopsys, but IDK where to put those. And HelenOS specifically gives Windows 3.1 with 95 vibes
I wish you'd shown MenuetOS, it's one of those kinda crazy ideas to make in a modern world that I just enjoy seeing, even if I'd never use it myself. And the latest update is earlier this year, so it's not abandoned.
The only one in this video I hadn't heard of before was helloSystem, which I'm guessing doesn't want you running it in a VM just to make it more difficult to screen record how terrible it is. Although I have to admit I'd only vaguely heard of Redox and Toaru and didn't know much about them. Haiku's stackable windows thing reminds me of pwm, my favorite Linux window manager back in the early 2000s, and the predecessor to Ion. I was so sad when that window manager stopped working reliably due mostly to changes in Gtk that messed with it.
Just reading the title I was worried the video would only cover stuff normies hadn't heard of, but as soon as the intro started and you said we wouldn't be covering Temple OS or HannahMontana linux I knew this was made for true OS enthusiasts
Wonder how these weird little projects stack up security wise. Like thing about Linux and FreeBSD kernel code is all the eyes on it. Who’s to say these don’t have buffer overflow vulnerabilities in some core components. Well I guess the all rust one probably doesn’t. But still yeah wonder how vulnerable they are and how that stacks up against their obscurity.
cool video, I was one of those guys in the 90's that ran BeOS as my main operating system. was great for a while, even had a VM running AppleGS. showing my age there... LOL
2:46 Wow. That was the first time a "Please subscribe" in the first video I watched of someone actually made me subscribe. I usually discover channels by watching their videos for months without subscribing and then when I'm 100% sure I want that content reliably as soon as it comes out I subscribe.
I absolutely love that the Redox web browser barely works but the devs went above and beyond to make DOOM run perfectly and for it to come prepackaged on their OS. Shows that the developers have their priorities absolutely straight.
9:27 For the love of god, can we all collectively PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP referring to UIs with actual intuitive design, light and shadow, and actual effort, as "dated"? Just because all the big corporations gaslit the masses into thinking "we fired all our UI and UX designers to increase profit margins and throwing in gestures instead of actually readable icons and UI", is "modern"; doesn't mean techies should reinforce their propaganda! 17:07 "I made sure to not even follow the basic instructions and I just KNOW that it's THEIR fault it doesn't work when I don't follow the instructions. I made sure to not even actually do the one thing recommended and I think it's junk!" Oh, you're one of THOSE "reviewers"....
I love nerds who still use can it run Doom as a standard 😂 this traditional should never die, though we may want to create some higher stakes benchmarks at some point.
I have a dated Toshiba Satellite notebook upon which I want to install KolibriOS; kinda surprised it wasn't mentioned here. If you do a follow-up, could you talk about Kolibri?
I have no idea what type of witchcraft you had to do to make the Blue Snowball sound acceptable but well done. Content was great too, you earned a sub!
RedoxOS's icons look a lot like Linux Mint's icons. But I like that they're (at least partially) Linux-compatible, which probably makes it about as daily-driveable as Haiku.
@@KalosLikesComputers Well, they state they're source-compatible, so if you're an LFS daily-driver RedoxOS would be no problem for you. And I suspect even some binaries may work. And if you can get WINE to work you have also unlocked Window$-compatibility.
I feel like hellosystem should’ve been its own video, doesn’t feel right sitting between all these cool OSs that aren’t based on any preexisting platform
I'm curious why you didn't re-do the reactOS segment with the nightly build, or at least show it off alongside the stable. Not showing it at all def makes it look worse than the nightly versions are.
Other than the crashes and the unfinished applications, the helloSystem OS is quite similar to MacOS in the very early 2000s. As I remember my experience of it back then anyway. The right-click functionality lines up pretty well with the one-button mouse they insisted on back then.
i have a folder at work with nearly all os operating systems that can be virtualized. it is not yet finished but i also tried to find the ones that are more obscure. Found some new ones in this video thx. x3 I do not plan on adding very old operating system or all the mac os operating systems tho just some. I do have so so many linux versions tho.
Toaru OS being able to rotate windows is actually the coolest fucking thing ever and I demand it be ported to KDE or Windows now Also subbed this is some high quality stuff
FreeBSD works in a VM, why wouldn't this? They don't mention any bugs that could occur in a VM, they just want the system to access the CPU and GPU directly in a review setting to appear snappier.
Full disclosure on the Jakt programming language: Andreas Kling said the language would have minimal movement anyways as more focus is on the LadyBird web browser and SerenityOS (which is purposefully not meant for tire kickers according to Andreas) since Jakt by his own admission transpiles to C++ anyway, so why bother when he could entirely use C++ for everything?
As someone who still prefers point and click adventures I hoped the question would be "Can it run ScummVM?" which, as long as you have the data files for them, runs hundreds of those kind of games.
@@KalosLikesComputers I was wrong and edited my comment, but you saw it before I could fix it haha. I think it's ARandR, not XRandR has I had previously mentioned. *ahem* If you were a seasoned Arch user like myself, you would be very familiar with such applications due to the fact that you would be using them an infinite googol number of times at first as you fully customize your 10 monitor Hyprland environment /s This video was actually really neat. I have to wonder if *maybe* HelloSystem is pulling some really weird hardware tricks and would actually work properly if it were physically installed and not run through a VM. It's probably not a great comparison, but I started my foray into Linux like 25 years ago using VMWare and Suse, and there were definitely some weird issues that only existed because of the VM layer.
It seems like a lot of the people in this sort of community have not used a modern Mac for more than a few minutes, which is fine, unless you want to try and talk about the pros and cons of Mac OS. And, like helloSystem has none of the, uh, whatever the UI equivalent of syntactic sugar is that Mac OS has, while maintaining the overfocus on simplicity and intuitiveness that can simply result in a hard-to-use system. And, like, actual Mac OS doesn't suffer nearly as badly from the oversimplified UI.
I'm impessed that hellosystem managed to perfectly recreate the combination of arrogance, controlling behaviour and incompetence of apple. The philosophical differences clearly do not run that deep. Anyway,I love this video. I may try some of these out someday.
ToaruOS is really interesting in its ability to rotate windows to any angle and everything still displays properly in them. I wonder how that was accomplished. BTW, how long did it take to build Serenity OS?
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an OS made using .Turtles 🐢🐢🐢🐢
Nope. :)
This helloSystem feels more like a "helloWorld" to me. The fact that they took the time to publish a "Reviewer's guide" and implement VM detection on top of that, just for all of it to be the thing that it is.... what a shitpost of an OS.
💀💀💀 Couldn't have said it better myself
This attitude feels a bit toxic, but whatever
@@roadkill_52Like the makers of helloSystem aren't? Shitty attitudes beget shitty attitudes.
hubris, thy name is HelloSystem
I wonder if the self-bricking might have been a part of the VM detection... That attitude seems like the sort of person who might have the OS selfdestruct if run in a VM...
helloSystem introduces it self as rock solid, until it crumbles apart when you try to install firefox
You must use the terminal to install everything because probonopd has basically given up on.
@@lucyinchatwair its made by the appimage guy???
From what little I've seen, the developers of HelloSystem seem a bit too far up their own backsides for my liking. Haiku seems like something more people would want to actually use once there is more broad hardware compatibility for proper hardware based 3D acceleration,, and web browsers actually worth using as Web Positive, and the current builds of Falkon are still kind of jank.
@@CommodoreFan64 it's plain bad, tried it on 2011 macbook pro. 0 progress, it crashes and not working, global menu just plain disappears
helloSystem it's my Sofrware persona 🤣🤣😭
To all the people who say the terminal is too difficult and complicated, the whole song and dance that was required to install Firefox could have been accomplished with typing "sudo pkg install firefox" in a terminal window and pressing enter
People who have an issue with this don’t acknowledge how many clicks it takes to download on a website. Yea you have to remember commands but when you do it’s soooooo much easier.
Firefox is not a great example. now I have to run like 10 commands to remove snap, then change the default Firefox install command so it doesn't re-download snap and installs the Deb version again.
@polocatfan I don't think, that this OS which isn't based on the Linux kernel and isn't using systemd as an init system is using snap. The snap Firefox problem is more an Ubuntu thing.
@@polocatfan This is more of an example of why you shouldn't use Ubuntu.
@@polocatfan ubuntu problems
I'm 40-somethingmumble years old. I was 22 before I touched a Mac. "Intuitive my ass," I said. helloSystem brought back memories.
Not very good memories I suppose 😂
OS 8 was the last of Apple's great OS's.
@@KalosLikesComputers "Why do I have 97 photo file icons stacked on top of each like a pile of dirty plates? What is happening with the GUI?"
tbh honest, it all comes with what you crunch hours and get used to it. I was an avid DOS and Windows 3.x-9x user, then when xp came out moved to Linux, and didn't touch windows till last year when I went back to university and had to use Visual Studio (17 years later)... It took me weeks to learn how to do a lot of stuff. Unintuitive as hell for me compared to Win98. I still struggle when I need to change settings. I finish now, and will never install Windows11, so curious to know how it will be in another 17 years.
MacOS can be used by complete novices. You're either dumb or a liar.
I don't know man, that Hello System thing sure looks like a faithful MacOS clone. It hates when you install it on unapproved hardware, it hates when you install applications from outside the approved way of doing so, and it makes the most mondain tasks hard as hell if you step outside the very narrow way it wants you to do them. 10/10, just as big of a dumpster fire as the real thing.
But seriously, I don't know how they screwed all that up. All they had to do was start with NomadBSD/GhostBSD with Gnome or KDE installed and the menubar enabled, do a few thinks to tweak the default menus, then ship it. How do you screw that up?
Toaru OS was definitely named after the light novel and anime series Toaru Majutsu No Index aka A Certain Magical Index. Misaka and Kuroko are the names of two popular characters. Pretty cool to learn my favorite series has an operating system named after it.
Scrolled to long to find this. This was exactly my reaction hearing these names. It's a great series that's too underrated IMHO
I suppose "Macindows EXP" had been taken ...
I loved the Nick Robinson reference 🤣
@@runed0s86 that one was indeed great
If someone was to clone it and continue I think 10032 would be a good name, unfortunately I do not understand C
Fun fact: the ReactOS theming system is in the same format as XP's. I once copied the famous Luna theme from XP and put it in a react VM's themes folder, and it _actually worked!_ However, that's also how I discovered that not only is the "start" text...actually rendered as text, but the flag logo is _not_ baked into the start button! It's a separate graphic placed onto the blank button! Thus, the word "start" looked off due to a font difference and the genuine XP start button graphic still had the ReactOS globe icon placed onto it instead of the XP flag.
I guess the fonts are also in the same format so copying the fonts from XP would also make it render properly, right?
there's a registry entry somewhere that contains the start button text. It's probably made that way for multi language support. But yeah I once changed the start button to say "soap"
@@BradenBest hooray soap
@@BradenBest 🧼
Fun fact about BeOS: Apple got very close to acquiring it and turning it into the official Mac OS. This deal fell apart, and they decided to acquire NeXT instead, and that OS formed the basis of what became Mac OSX.
that's not true. the deal didn't fall apart. beOS was never actually considered at all.
@@hollyc5417 I think it was. The price was just to high for Apple back then. Somewhat later Apple bought NeXT instead for 4 times the price. But i guess it was worth it considering it also gave it Steve Jobs
Internally Apple was deciding between attempting to purchase NeXT or Be, or developing their next OS (codenamed Copeland) in house - interestingly Be also had a former apple employee, Gassée, in charge who succeeded Jobs on the Mac project
You have to admire the balls on the developers of helloSystem. They're like the GNOME of operating systems. It's their way or the highway
Indeed, I kind of admire them for that. I mean, I'm glad they are doing their own thing, even if it will not cater to most people out there
Atleast GNOME functions 😅
After seeing helloSystem, I’ll never criticise GNOME ever again.
At least GNOME is functional and is used by millions
What? No 9front/Plan 9 from Bell Labs?
That may be right up your alley for a deep dive actually. Not only is 9 historically significant, but 9p, Inferno, Golang, and a host of other things are intimately tangled in that mess. And a bunch of turbonerds (myself included) use it as a secondary or even primary OS in the modern 9front distro.
Are you able to use any modern browser at all the best browser I found was a net surf port
Plan 9 is extremely good
For it's time
I have an old PC running 9front.
It's actually pretty easy to use, just no program support whatsoever. The newest browser I could run was NetSurf.
@@replikvltyoutube3727 9front claims to be the easiest system to run a Git host on.
I was just about to comment, I'm shocked that 9front wasn't included. It's almost usable as a daily driver, crazy the amount of work that's been done in the last few years
I love how Doom was so ubiquitous with its open source and simple engine that it’s a baseline for the completeness of anything with a computer and screen.
Fun fact:
The engine of Doom is neither open-source nor simple. Doom was sold. For money. By a company. It's just a good game.
@@KalosLikesComputersdoom was open sourced in 1997 though.
@@KalosLikesComputers doom is opensource
The jacksfilms haiku melody got me
My favorite obscure OS is Mezzano. While it's still in "beta" stage, and not friendly to normal users, I love its premise and design.
K Lange is Kevin Lange who basically started out working on ToAruOS on the side of working tech jobs in SF as a learning project. Then he moved to Japan and eventually seemingly getting too many things to do on the side of working tech jobs to have time to work on the os.
SerenityOS is the kind of OS I long for, but cannot have. The best of Classic Windows design but actually modern. But it’s just a hobby project…
Linux was an hobby os too...
Just use XFCE with Chicago95 theme or FVWM95
Just use Linux with Xfce and Chicago95 theme
@@plumcakeya hobby os
@plumcakey Point is, it'll take long before it's usable, if it even will be.
Nice vid! I am actually in a middle of recording a Operating System iceberg video myself. Gotta say, I find it pretty interesting how 90% of these are either unix-like or unix-based. Only a few outliers... shows you how influential Unix was
Remember to include kolibri os and temple os
@@kolotxoz oh don't worry, it goes much deeper than that ;)
Any progress?
@@xanderplayz3446 still in the making!
I plan to turn an old 2010 Thinkpad into my travel laptop with Haiku! They have support for thousands of apps, and i’m pretty excited to be able to use it!
I hope you have a great experience!
My main laptop is a 2011 Thinkpad T520 (upgraded to have 10 gigs of ram), the NVIDIA gpu was such a pain in the ass but it somewhat works now. no vulkan, openGL only, everything runs like shit, it runs arcolinux. But i love it, it's an amazing laptop, very high quality as expected from an old thinkpad.
For old laptops ill always say that xubuntu is superior. You get the latest kernels and software in a stable and popular distribution family but with a super light window manager. It runs well on a potato.
Is it any good
Just use mint lmde or debian xfce (or lxqt)
Love the video, but was surprised to see you confused at hellosystem's "screen resolution" menu since it looked like it was just arandr a pretty common linux utility
Yeah somehow I had never encountered it before and I was expecting something intuitive and easy
That was 100% arandr.
It’s all good, I was lost the first time I used it too.
It gets better when you have to have it save a xrandr script that you then have to change to executable, then put in your configuration file that you want it to run that script every time you login to your os 😅
Yeah same
Lul. I've used Linux for 12 years now as my main OS and I've never seen that. Granted I use KDE.
Still a very shitty GUI, like even I learned better design in college
The boing ball behind you it's a really cool easter egg! I was afraid you would count AmigaOS among the "obscure" systems, but you didn't!
I only started watching to see AmigaOS, that the boingbll suggested would be spoken about... 😐
OMFG... SerenityOS sounds like literally everything I want in a *modern* OS. Retro, classic Windows style at first glance? Check. UNIX-like under the hood? Check. Modern features to bring it kicking and screaming into the present? Hell yes.
Move on over ReactOS. You seemed cool... like two decades ago. But now you're old, still buggy as hell, still can't do much without crashing; becoming more and more obsolete by the day by the evolution of Windows itself, and how many Windows applications would I even care to run these days? Probably like... two.
This is like taking an old Linux distro I used for a bit which used the Equinox Desktop environment... but it sounds like SerenityOS pushed that concept to the max. I can't wait for ISOs to be available and to try this thing out.
Everything you said could be done with a Win98 rice on a Unix-like system. But unlike Serenity it's not going to be unstable and slowly get abandoned.
11:37 You're looking at arandr, a common utility for changing X11 display settings, with the menubar up top and no text on the icons. Sounds like something Apple would implement, I guess mission accomplished?
If the illustration at 0:08 was accurate, Windows would be bludgeoning Mac and Linux with a tire iron while obscure OS's stare on in horror.
Also helloSystems is ironic since they're doing everything they hate about Apple.
One less known OS I have tried is the RISC-OS, it has some weird design choices but otherwise usable OS for any ARM based computer
Not really lesser known as its one of the main OSes available to directly download / install on raspberry pis
The rotating and opacity feature is also implanted in a WM for Linux called WayFire, and is also available in Hyprland (with about 80 plugins)
I feel amazed of people putting effort into doing these OSs, even if they know they aren't going to be used. I seriously love it, it makes me happy. Just making software for the sake of it, projects made with passion and love, despite their obvious drawbacks.
wait ToaruOS, THAT'S A THING?! lmfao
Toaru is my favourite anime series, all the programs are named after the characters xD
Trying helloSystem in a virtual machine is unfair because they clearly know there are problems there but it's not worth fixing.
Of course it doesn't excuse the design, but I wouldn't go as far as saying all the issues would appear in bare metal.
I wonder if you tried the nightlies for ReactOS since it's the recommended way of installing it from the developers.
The person responsible for the versioning doesn't want to update it.
I dont know how you could possibly mess up an OS enough to have it not work in virtual machines (asides from drivers, but those clearly weren't the problem here)
BeOS first successor was ZETA from YellowTab. On German RTL shopping channel they even sold a sort MediaBox PC with it preinstalled. ZETA allowed me to boot a system, start a browser (a Swedish FireFox with an English language pack), look up a public transport connection and shut the system down within less than 5 minutes (on a PC that needed about three minutes to boot Windows).
fun fact: ZETA was completely unlicensed and illegal. ACCESS Co. regularly sent cease and desists to yellowTAB, which were all promptly ignored.
Haiku is amazing, I use it on an old laptop since it's very lightweight.
Watching Andreas Kling work on SerenityOS is one of the craziest shit I've ever seen. If there is a thing such as a 10x programmer, it is him.
I heard of all of those, but then again I watched all the JT vids about obscure OSes :) ToaruOS is so beautiful...
I appreciate the haiku for Haiku. Very nice.
Well, i'm a Debian Linux User since 1998 and was beginning in 1989 with my Amiga 500 in late 1989, i am using Debian Linux since late 1998, now with Debian 12 Bookworm and KDE Plasma 5, made some Wallpaper since 2002, so many greetings from brunswick in germany and please stay safe 🙃
if talking about obscure, you gotta talk about OS/2 mate
while it is paid, it is pretty dope, there is a modern continuation called ArcaOS, I don't expect you to necessarily shill out $140 for an obscure OS license, but I would expect at least an outside overview of what it's supposed to be able to do and its history, or something
I was actually going to include osFree, a Russian open-source reimplementation of OS/2, but it was difficult to cover due to the visuals (or lack thereof)
arcaos seems interesting enough. more so than some freebsd fork anyway.
How did I not know of this channel before? Great to see Haiku and React getting some love! Keep up the good work, your videos are fantastic!
Omg omg omg hello from your newest subscriber. Time to investigate even more esoteric random OSs! I have a list! And you tackled some of them! Here’s the whole list for random cool RUclipsrs to investigate👀
The BSDs: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, GhostBSD, DragonFly BSD, MidnightBSD, NomadBSD, BSDRP, StarBSD, CheriBSD, PureDarwin, helloSystem
Unix: OpenIndiana/Illumos…
Unix-Like: 9Front, HelenOS, Xv6, Fiwix, ELKS Embedded, MINIX, GNU/Hurd, RedoxOS, SerenityOS,, Fuschia, QNX Neutrino, Fiwix, NuttX, T-Kernel, ToaruOS
non-UNIX: ReactOS, Haiku (POSIXish), Phantom OS, osFree (open source OS/2), ArcaOS (closed-source OS/2).❤
Also SculptOS and Visopsys, but IDK where to put those.
And HelenOS specifically gives Windows 3.1 with 95 vibes
I wish you'd shown MenuetOS, it's one of those kinda crazy ideas to make in a modern world that I just enjoy seeing, even if I'd never use it myself. And the latest update is earlier this year, so it's not abandoned.
Omg an ad progress bar. Your great. Now I can speed through an ad I don’t care about or know about and don’t have to worry about passing it up too far
The only one in this video I hadn't heard of before was helloSystem, which I'm guessing doesn't want you running it in a VM just to make it more difficult to screen record how terrible it is. Although I have to admit I'd only vaguely heard of Redox and Toaru and didn't know much about them.
Haiku's stackable windows thing reminds me of pwm, my favorite Linux window manager back in the early 2000s, and the predecessor to Ion. I was so sad when that window manager stopped working reliably due mostly to changes in Gtk that messed with it.
Qubes is a really neat metaOS that is based around making it VERY easy to use multiple VMs for security isolation.
Just reading the title I was worried the video would only cover stuff normies hadn't heard of, but as soon as the intro started and you said we wouldn't be covering Temple OS or HannahMontana linux I knew this was made for true OS enthusiasts
Wonder how these weird little projects stack up security wise. Like thing about Linux and FreeBSD kernel code is all the eyes on it. Who’s to say these don’t have buffer overflow vulnerabilities in some core components. Well I guess the all rust one probably doesn’t. But still yeah wonder how vulnerable they are and how that stacks up against their obscurity.
Kalos is back!!
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cool video, I was one of those guys in the 90's that ran BeOS as my main operating system. was great for a while, even had a VM running AppleGS. showing my age there... LOL
Im just glad this wasnt another video of someone going over the 3 wierd os's you mentioned in the beginning.
2:46 Wow. That was the first time a "Please subscribe" in the first video I watched of someone actually made me subscribe. I usually discover channels by watching their videos for months without subscribing and then when I'm 100% sure I want that content reliably as soon as it comes out I subscribe.
Welcome! ❤️
ToaruOS was probably threatened directly by the big tech companies. they wouldn't hesitate to kill off small competition like that
It is worth to look at helen os and temple os please make part two including those oses
Redox OS will actually move to Cosmic DE which is a full Wayland compositor written in rust by System 76 with lead dev Jacob Soller.
That's so nice to hear!
Now Ladybird is planned to become a fully functional cross-platform web engine
I absolutely love that the Redox web browser barely works but the devs went above and beyond to make DOOM run perfectly and for it to come prepackaged on their OS. Shows that the developers have their priorities absolutely straight.
When you're such a big fan of A Certain Magical Index (Toaru Majutsu no Index) that you name everything in your custom OS after characters from it.
9:27 For the love of god, can we all collectively PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE STOP referring to UIs with actual intuitive design, light and shadow, and actual effort, as "dated"? Just because all the big corporations gaslit the masses into thinking "we fired all our UI and UX designers to increase profit margins and throwing in gestures instead of actually readable icons and UI", is "modern"; doesn't mean techies should reinforce their propaganda!
17:07 "I made sure to not even follow the basic instructions and I just KNOW that it's THEIR fault it doesn't work when I don't follow the instructions. I made sure to not even actually do the one thing recommended and I think it's junk!" Oh, you're one of THOSE "reviewers"....
Huh
hello probonod
You made Glenda sad by forgetting Plan 9... Just like the rust OS, everything is a file with a path in Plan 9 too.
we need these with the suffering from the only 3 current big operating systems, we need something completely new.
I love nerds who still use can it run Doom as a standard 😂 this traditional should never die, though we may want to create some higher stakes benchmarks at some point.
A suggestion to include in a sequel video: Plan 9 from Bell Labs.
was waiting for KalOS
im pretty sure toaruOS does that because of compiz, something thats been on linux for years now. Ive always used compiz because of its beauty
These days we use picom which is still maintained.
I use OpenBSD BTW 🐡
You're not pretty sure from what I can tell.
ToaruOS seems to name its functions after characters from Toaru no railgun/index
I have a dated Toshiba Satellite notebook upon which I want to install KolibriOS; kinda surprised it wasn't mentioned here. If you do a follow-up, could you talk about Kolibri?
Video starts at THREE TWELVE 3:12
It's almost like there are chapters in the video progress bar for that!
hellosystem opposing things os x did as early as 10.3 like a sidebar in Finder, but cant let you change anything
I have no idea what type of witchcraft you had to do to make the Blue Snowball sound acceptable but well done.
Content was great too, you earned a sub!
Oh trust me we did a LOT of sound editing
KolibriOs, the one written in assembly
Yeah i heard of them. Here's some OSes that *YOU'VE* never heard of
Minix
A/UX (Apple Unix!)
Ultrix
Mklinux
VINO
Some more I haven't seen mentioned:
Vtux
TenguX
X/38
GuahruOS
RedoxOS's icons look a lot like Linux Mint's icons. But I like that they're (at least partially) Linux-compatible, which probably makes it about as daily-driveable as Haiku.
They're not Linux-compatible at all in my opinion, Haiku is wayyyyyy more daily-driveable
@@KalosLikesComputers
Well, they state they're source-compatible, so if you're an LFS daily-driver RedoxOS would be no problem for you. And I suspect even some binaries may work. And if you can get WINE to work you have also unlocked Window$-compatibility.
@@KalosLikesComputersThey are switching to Cosmic DE which will be a lot better.
There was a OS I saw on one of these list where the entire thing was written in assembly, gui and all.
Ooo if you find it please hop over to the discord to tell me what it is I'd be super interested to check it out
@@KalosLikesComputers MenuetOS and KolibriOS are what I got from a quick google search
It might have been MenuetOS or its fork KolibriOS?
I feel like hellosystem should’ve been its own video, doesn’t feel right sitting between all these cool OSs that aren’t based on any preexisting platform
"Huh I wonder if Taoru's name is a reference to the anime franchise"
"Misaka, the kernel..."
that would be a yes
I used to support BeOS (At one point I was the only person in the country who did). Gawd I'm old!
Is it the same Jeremy soler from system76?
Oh my god, it is. How did I miss that??
I'm curious why you didn't re-do the reactOS segment with the nightly build, or at least show it off alongside the stable. Not showing it at all def makes it look worse than the nightly versions are.
I found out after I was already like halfway through editing and I had to meet a deadline 😭
24:40 It's so impressive that I personally forgive it for appropriately referencing the word とある in its name
Okay cool, Kalos, but couldn't you've taken at least a little bit of time out of your day to have heard of *KolibriOS* ?
But you've heard of that one. ;)
helloSystem is what happens when you attempt to fix macOS. Makes me think apple has the same issue
macOS is definitely dated, and it needs a truckload of work to modernize, but I think Apple is slowly but surely doing a good job at that.
u actually wrote a haiku for the haiku part :0
Other than the crashes and the unfinished applications, the helloSystem OS is quite similar to MacOS in the very early 2000s. As I remember my experience of it back then anyway. The right-click functionality lines up pretty well with the one-button mouse they insisted on back then.
The Hello devs said not to run the os in a VM
he already knows that
i have a folder at work with nearly all os operating systems that can be virtualized. it is not yet finished but i also tried to find the ones that are more obscure. Found some new ones in this video thx. x3 I do not plan on adding very old operating system or all the mac os operating systems tho just some. I do have so so many linux versions tho.
Toaru os is named after Toaru no majutsu no index, one of the characters in it being Misaka, it´s kernel. the reference made me chuckle
Toaru OS being able to rotate windows is actually the coolest fucking thing ever and I demand it be ported to KDE or Windows now
Also subbed this is some high quality stuff
I'm impressed! I knew about ReactOS and Haiku, but not the others!
Lol I knew all but helloSystem and Toaru OS, but thanks for the finds!
honestly why would you even entertain the idea of hellosystem in a vm if they say dont put it in a vm?
FreeBSD works in a VM, why wouldn't this?
They don't mention any bugs that could occur in a VM, they just want the system to access the CPU and GPU directly in a review setting to appear snappier.
Haiku is legitimately awesome, I really want it to be a thing
Awsome video I am subbing! (side note RIP Terry)
Full disclosure on the Jakt programming language: Andreas Kling said the language would have minimal movement anyways as more focus is on the LadyBird web browser and SerenityOS (which is purposefully not meant for tire kickers according to Andreas) since Jakt by his own admission transpiles to C++ anyway, so why bother when he could entirely use C++ for everything?
As someone who still prefers point and click adventures I hoped the question would be "Can it run ScummVM?" which, as long as you have the data files for them, runs hundreds of those kind of games.
Ha - you gotta check out Plan 9 from Bell Labs!
You nailed it in this video. Your energy is incredible.
I know these all because I am obsessed with true Unix OSes.
I'll have to try some of these, love Hakiu!
Haiku is the most functional one imo! It's a proper OS at this point despite being in Beta. **glares at ReactOS**
@@KalosLikesComputers Does Haiku implement the Amiga/Mac window decorations easter egg?
11:39 "Hello, what is this?" Isn't that just ARandR?
I'd actually never seen it before.
@@KalosLikesComputers I was wrong and edited my comment, but you saw it before I could fix it haha. I think it's ARandR, not XRandR has I had previously mentioned.
*ahem* If you were a seasoned Arch user like myself, you would be very familiar with such applications due to the fact that you would be using them an infinite googol number of times at first as you fully customize your 10 monitor Hyprland environment /s
This video was actually really neat. I have to wonder if *maybe* HelloSystem is pulling some really weird hardware tricks and would actually work properly if it were physically installed and not run through a VM. It's probably not a great comparison, but I started my foray into Linux like 25 years ago using VMWare and Suse, and there were definitely some weird issues that only existed because of the VM layer.
It seems like a lot of the people in this sort of community have not used a modern Mac for more than a few minutes, which is fine, unless you want to try and talk about the pros and cons of Mac OS. And, like helloSystem has none of the, uh, whatever the UI equivalent of syntactic sugar is that Mac OS has, while maintaining the overfocus on simplicity and intuitiveness that can simply result in a hard-to-use system. And, like, actual Mac OS doesn't suffer nearly as badly from the oversimplified UI.
macOS is very intuitive and easy to use once you know the basics of its UI. helloSystem can never be that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@KalosLikesComputers Yeah, even if they fix the bugs, it doesn't make sense
The app used for display resolution in hellosystem exist in Linux it's a front-end for xrander.
Right but I expected something different/easy! I mean this is basic stuff!
Awesome Iceberg layer 2 😊 Hype for Layer 3? like DR Dos? 😅
It'd be so hard to show anything about it haha
I'm impessed that hellosystem managed to perfectly recreate the combination of arrogance, controlling behaviour and incompetence of apple. The philosophical differences clearly do not run that deep.
Anyway,I love this video. I may try some of these out someday.
ToaruOS is really interesting in its ability to rotate windows to any angle and everything still displays properly in them. I wonder how that was accomplished. BTW, how long did it take to build Serenity OS?