I own a Seamaster Pro and a Seamaster Aqua Terra (Olive dial). Both keep great time. I get compliments on the Aqua Terra all the time about how nice it is. Contrast that to my Rolex the comments are, "is that a Rolex" and not that it looks great. Go figure. Just my two cents.
Bought a lightly used (18 month old) 41mm Aqua Terra a few months ago private party at a very good discount from retail. I've worn it just about every day since and my other watches are feeling lonely. Well made, looks great, very versatile and makes me happy to look at. I would say I'm happy with the "value for money" but that concept is relative in this hobby.
Valid points. Pretty much all brands are raising prices, due to lots of factors, like John mentioned. But Omega definitely needs to streamline their collections. They just have way too many models. I’m an Omega fanboy. They’re in my top 3 favorite brands. I want them to do well. 😊
Man, don't parrot other people. Yes! they have a lot of variants but i remember seeing about 250+ something models of AT on omega's website. Now, they have about half of that. In terms of price, everything costs more than it used to 5 years ago. It's called INFLATION. It's not subjected to omega only but every major watch brand.
@@exploretheinternet2334 Other Brands increased prices, yes but not nearly as much as Omega did. The other problem for Omega is Tudor, they price their watches very, very reasonable especially now being Metas certified and with the added hype they get from Rolex fans or customers unable to get one. Not the best environment to be increasing prices. Now one can argue that Tudor does not compete with Omega, quality wise which is true, but the reality is that the targeting audience mostly decides between Omega or Tudor not Rolex or Omega. Don't get me wrong, I love Omega but their practises seem paradox - you cannot expect people to consider your brand as luxury when you do stuff like swatch collaborations to appeal to a wider audience which ultimatetly means accessibility.
@@Lee-pf2uv because for example their Seamaster 300m paris edition comes with a new quick release bracelet even though it’s the same watch as the regular 300m which doesn’t have it. That’s one example of many confusing sizes, colours and options they offer which makes it hard for the customer to make a decision. The harder it is to make a decision, the more likely that customer is to choose another option.
It is wild how high prices are getting. I really want to get that tan aqua terra. 18 months ago was a little over 4 grand. Now it's over 6k. For a time only and date watch. With a fabric strap. Cmmmmmmmmon
The brand delivers amazing quality, but if you want one then just wait a bit and buy it on the gray market. I bought a brand new 2 tone Aqua Terra for 45% off retail. You can get pretty much any Omega model for around 30-45% off if you know where to look.
I have 11 so far, ranging in date from the 1930's to 2022. I love them and like you I never pay retail. Also Longines is making some killer watches, I have a few of those and plan on getting a couple more.
So glad to see the AT offered in a mechanical/automatic movement in "lady" size 34mm cases....with all the great features of the larger cases. Omega doing great things and their "Summer Blue" edition was amazing.
I just bought an Omega as my first luxury watch and choose the Seamaster, Master Crono 600m and love it. I bought it retail as I was not concerned about dealing with a used one and don't regret it for a minute.
Great video, I had Rolexes and omegas and they all have sharp edges , but omega bang for buck is brilliant and nearly no waiting list and you don’t need to get on the ladder to order a watch ,thanks ❤️👍🏴
I own Omegas and Rolexes, and I find that Omega movements are superior to Rolex. Omega produces high horology pieces, including complex mechanisms like the tourbillon. They focus on innovation and quality rather than playing the heavy marketing game that Rolex does. Also, a true watch collector is not concerned with price retention, only flippers and wanna be collectors worry about that.
@@johyscorner All Omega does is milk the Speedmaster and Seamaster. The Submariner hasn't even hit 50 versions yet. I bought an Omega Seamaster in 2015. It had terrible bezel action. Wore it once in water and it flooded. Never again will I buy an Omega my Rolex Submariner 14060m has been under water soo many times I lost count. It's been running +1 a day since bought new in 2003 its over 20 years old. Omega is to busy ass kissing those lame ass brand ambassadors that don't give 2 shits about Omega. It's not Rolex's fault Omega has the most embarrassing marketing in the industry. The Rolex is just marketing excuse is crap. Maybe if they sold a shit product the marketing excuse would have some truth to it but they don't. They sell a great watch
@@johyscorner Bought an Omega Seamaster back in 2015. Wore it once in the water and it flooded. Never again will I buy an Omega my Rolex Submariner 14060m has been under water soo many times I lost count and has been running +1 a day since new in 2003 and it's not Rolex's fault Omega has the most embarrassing marketing in the industry. Omega is to busy ass kissing those lame ass brand ambassadors that don't give 2 shits about Omega. The Rolex is just marketing excuse is crap. Like Rolex got where they are over night. Maybe if Rolex sold a terrible product. The marketing excuse would have some truth to it but they don't
@@lonewolfemcquade8133 I’ve taken my seamaster 300 professional diving several times and never had an issue. Maybe you got a defective one or didn’t buy it brand new. In that case that could happen to any watch. Omegas are far superior than Rolexes in terms of movements and innovation. Rolex hasn’t innovated in a long time and the most complex movement they have right now is the Sky Dweller. Every year they come up with the same watches different colors, it’s embarrassing. I’m not hating, I love my sub but I am not blind, sorry.
@@lonewolfemcquade8133When you handle an Omega and a Rolex, it's really obvious that the Omega is better quality. Plus, their movements are so much superior.
Rolex daily wearer here but one of my favorite comparison to do is comparing 90s - mid 2000s Rolex V Omegas. Omega’s case finishing, bracelet and clasps were so far ahead of their time then.
Absolutely. I have two Seamasters from the early 2000s. The bracelets are far superior to the Oyster of the time. My favorite is my Seamaster GMT 2234.50 which is a great travel companion.
I bought an Omega Aqua Terra a couple of years ago from an official retailer, the one with vertical lines, and they gave me a 30% discount. If I had bought it second hand I would have paid more.
I have bought two Omegas in past 12 months, both from Ad, both with 15-20% discount. Both are stunning watches. Honestly, I struggle to see the difference in quality between my Omega and my Rolex.
Discussing the "bang for buck" aspect of watches can be quite complex. Only a portion of a watch's value is intrinsic, with a significant amount tied to non-intrinsic factors like brand perception, which often accounts for a large part of its appeal. Looking ahead, I believe Omega has a unique opportunity to differentiate itself by continuing to push the boundaries of horology. Many luxury watch brands focus on refining traditional mechanical movements, but Omega has a history of innovation and high accuracy quartz movements with models like the Spacemaster, Skywalker X-33, and the Seamaster 300M Quartz. Omega could position itself as a leader by excelling in both traditional mechanical watches and high-accuracy quartz movements, potentially competing with brands like Grand Seiko and Citizen in the realm of precision timekeeping. By mastering both, Omega can maintain its heritage while also standing out in the industry, becoming the sole Swiss watchmaker to truly master both and place equal emphasis in both.
So, an Omega with an eg £6k MSRP; £1k is VAT. Of the remaining £5k, £2k is AD margin. Of the remaining £3k, around £2k pays for marketing (ambassadors eg Nicole Kidman, sponsorship eg Olympics, sailing, golf, etc., collaborations eg James Bond franchise, above-the-line and below-the-line advertising, promotions, websites, gin-palace boutiques, etc), of the remaining £1k probably half goes on fixed costs eg head office, regional and local offices, sales force, contribution to Swatch Group overheads, etc. Which leaves perhaps £500 for making the actual watch, box, papers, etc. Now these figures are approximate, but yeah you’re paying for far, far more than the actual cost of the watch.
“Why would someone be looking at the specs and say “I’m going to buy the watch that has the best specs”, NO! There’s a lot of design, alot of feeling, there’s kinda brand associations…”. So, you buy an inferior product as you describe; eg nice to hold but the Omega’s bracelet pull you arm hair out, or the blingy 38mm Aquaterra poor bracelet construction, because…??? 🤔 “In terms of price retention Omega out-performs most brands”? 🤔. Really? 40-60% loss you say?! And the problem with your Oris comparison is that a comparable Oris costs a third of the Omega price to start with, so in £ terms you will always lose more on a new £6k Omega than a new £2k Oris (that you’re also more likely to get a discount on). So, it only makes sense to buy an Omega secondhand? 🤔
Great video John! I have actually gravitated towards Omega rather than Rolex in the last few years. Tudor in fact are more appealing to me than Rolex. In my collection, the balance between Omega and Rolex/Tudor are equal but I can see myself getting more of Omega timepieces in future.
I have over 10 Omegas. Vintage ones from the 1960s, and a couple of neo vintages ones (sword hands divers, first AT). All bought preowned obviously. I would never buy Omega new. I like the AT small seconds blue on rubber, and it is on my wish list, but again preowned will be the way. I bought my AT first iteration blue 39 mm auto for less than 2K preowned. Look at retail prices today, it's just unreasonable.
Hello John, thanks for making this interesting video, I use to have Omegas, Breitling, Seiko and now I own a Longines Zulu time, don't get me wrong but Longines has taken the place of Omega back in the 2020 when Omega was still reachable, because of the value they offer and the finishing of their timepieces. If you ask me If I will like to own a Seamaster Aquaterra again and my answer is yes I will love to, but not at this current pricing. Anyway thanks again for making this video.
i have the OMEGA SM300 pro sedna gold metal case blk ceramic dial i use everyday and the OMEGA planet ocean all gold 43.5mm blue ceramic dial gold clasp wen i go out to special events. my rich friend has 10 watches in his collection but in the middle of the box he has the OMEGA tourbillon platinum blue ceramic dial with diamonds everywere that was $715,000 limited next to his Jacob&Co. my wife has the red dial with sedna gold globemaster tells the months, but were very happy with omega.
Two Ultra Deeps, Seamaster Chrono diver, Seamaster 300m summer blue and 3861 sapphire sandwich moon watch. Yeah, I like that I can have these five watches for the price of one or two Rolexes if you “allowed”to buy them.
Omega makes the best watches among the mass production manufacturers. Their prices have gone up like all the other manufacturers. Have you seen Seiko's prices recently? They are releasing a new MM300 without ceramic and without on the fly micro adjust clasp for $3000 US.
Sad to say this but Omega has been testing the water for too long. What i mean by that is, it keeps releasing different products to the market to see consumer's feedback rather than using data and R&D to release what the consumers really want. If you disagree with this comment, I think you really don't understand how many watches/variations Omega has released in the past 10 years.
I own many Omegas, they are superb watches, but I only buy used. When I say that, I mean nearly new 12-18 months old max. I think there is just not much to be gained from buying retail when you can buy a year old for a 40-50% discount - but the build quality is amazing. The only Omega I would buy retail is if they did a re-make of the 165.024, I'd buy that in an instant.
When I started this crazy watch collecting journey, I bought what I liked, can afford and enjoy wearing. Fast forward 40 plus years and I still do that. I own two Omegas, a Speedy and SMP 300. That's what I like and enjoy wearing. I do like the new white dial Speedy but still on the fence about getting one. Today, I'm wearing a 38mm Certina Diver and I really like the way it looks on the wrist.
The biggest problem with the luxury perception in Omega is that they inundate their catalog with so many variations of the same model. Rolex doesn’t do that at least with their sports models.
And people complain Rolex is boring when they only release new dial colors every year. It’s done on purpose to keep the look of a Rolex immediately recognizable
There nothing luxury of both brand, both r mess products, Rolex produce 1.3m watch a year n omega about 600-800k watch a year, they r at best lowest entry level to luxury..
But what difference does that make if you only want say a Seamaster? Go into an AD or Boutique and buy the one that you like, who cares how many other variations there are. Doesnt matter to you if you are only buying one.
@@kokhui32liau88luxury is something you don't need and buy it for thousands of dollars. Would you say LV bags aren't luxury items? You don't need an ap or a patek to be luxury...
I appreciate your candor, and as a 5 Omegas owner, I have to say, to me it is the best bang for the buck at the plus 5K range - but, that is my opinion, and Omega isn't for everyone, and that makes them all the more special. Thank you for the video.
Great watches, no doubt. The only issue for me is that they are a bit generic, as are Rolexes but the difference is that only Rolex keeps value. Buying Omega has to be second hand - and in the same “value losing” category I’m personally more into Grand Seiko, which are at the same price point, less generic, even better finished and comparable movements. Just my taste, again Omega are watches you can keep for life.
The Swiss luxury watch sector gauged the market, largely Millennials, over 20 years ago and they appear to have been highly successful. Richard Mille came about this same time. The transition from tool to jewelry up the pricing 4-5X. It was probably blind luck, my non-rich modest cost reasoning as a decades long watch enthusiast and the steep discounts at the time, I bought all my Swiss branded watches around the year 2000 and earlier. Unlike many consumers today, I've lived thru and owned various changes in watches. Mechanical, electric (balance powered by a battery), tuning fork (never actually owned this headache of a design) and quartz. I was and still am happy to have departed largely away from mechanical. The market for the past many years appears to be focused on mechanical while quartz, quality quartz, has largely disappeared. 20 years or so ago a quality quartz Seiko having about 5 jewels or Swiss branded watch having an ETA 7 jewel movement was the norm. Today they are largely zero (0) jewel and can cost well into the thousands of $$$. Quality can still be had but the pricing is on the moon for something like a Seiko using a 9F quartz movement.
Visited an Omega boutique two nights ago. Tried on the new AT and asked about price increases. The sales associate told me that he isn't happy with Omega's pricing at the moment because it shuts people out of the market and could potentially be harmful in the future. I was surprised he admitted that.
I bought the "Goldeneye" SMP for under a £1000 in 2006. A year later, the Casino Royale Special edition Planet Ocean with a big discount on its £2200 retail. Still have them both, still in excellent condition. The rubber straps on the Planet are not great and expensive to replace but I love the watch. I like the AT but I can't stomach spending over £6k on a watch.
I don't have an issue paying retail for an Omega AT especially if I am going to wear it every day.... the more you wear it the more bang-for-your-buck. I wouldn't buy a Rolex because of its resale value.....I'd buy it because it satisfies my wants and needs.
I own a 38mm AT and a 36 mm explorer. The quality on the omega is better (other than the bracelet). I usually wear the AT on a rubber strap. That being said, the current retail price for an AT seems a few thousand dollars too high.
The hands and dials on the explorer are made out of 18k white gold, pretty sure the same can't be said of the AT. You can argue the movement is better but overall the explorer is a level above the AT.
@@Weakeyedominant no it's not. Keep lying to yourself. The indices in AT are rhodium plated, which is by the way, more expensive than white gold. Average rolex fanboy lmao
@@avenuefive8593 I'll help explain. Rhodium is a derivative of platinum. SUPER expensive (if you bought a block of it or a liquid version) but it's a mere plating (microns thick, usually .05 MICRONS!) So that's kind of the same of plating on costume jewelry, but it adheres much better to gold, but a plating which can wear off or oxidize off over years. By the way all white gold gets plated with rhodium as well, BUT we are talking about the weight of the product. So since the Rolex hands / indices are white gold, that means it's solid gold (white gold, which is yellow with alloy) and then plate, that is MUCH MUCH more expensive since you have actual gold (probably a few grams). The plating on steel or whatever metal they use on the Omega, is as I said, just a plating and has 0 value (intrinsic metal value) it just makes it shine nice and has some anti oxidizing properties.
@@exploretheinternet2334 plating uses a fraction of the precious metal, you would be the first person in history to choose plating over solid 18k gold 🤣
I bought my 2022 Speedmaster hesi last Fall for $3,500 before tax. It had never been worn, box and papers. If you find a second-hand dealer you trust, I would rarely suggest anyone purchase a Swiss watch new. (granted, if you can get a Sub or a GMT Master II for retail, jump on that ASAP lol)
I have always been a Seiko/GS collector. Have some nice SLA Seiko divers, GS quartz, spring drives, and a high beat. Bought my first Omega, a stainless dial railmaster. Got it for a good price on the bracelet. Fantastic tool watch. Wear in on a farm. Keeper! My 2nd is a used 2011 planet ocean professional in titanium. Amazing watch! Wear that one to work also. Divers are tools. With these two, very impressed with omega quality.
And then many aren't Omega fans, but Rolex haters. There's always that jealousy they bring with them. I've owned both, I wouldn't buy new from either brand today but where a Rolex douche will if ore you an omega fanboy will actively aim to piss on your choice of watch. And there is a difference between omega fanboys and enthusiasts, one is genuine, one is jealous.
Chronoscope on bracelet with dark blue dial; removed the bracelet and wearing it on navy blue gator (omega) strap, and, moonshine gold moon watch on bracelet. These two watches are my absolute best wears each and everytime. I feel great wearing them as they tick away. No need to mention other brands in the case.
Rolex took a page from DeBeers playbook. Create an artificial demand by controlling sale release making Rolex watches seems rarer than they actually are. No thanks, I’m an Omega fan for life. I can go on and on on what Omega pioneered and beat Rolex in innovation, movements, accuracy and most importantly accessibility.
I looked at the Aqua Terra small seconds blue dial on the rubber strap and was really impressed with it, so it seems like I'll be adding it to my collection
Omega is a consistent and quality products with timeless designs that carry nice incremental changes year to year. Their movements are above average in performance and finish. Their world timer complication is a steal at the used market prices. They are not worth retail when AD's will give 15% off w/warranty. Gray Market 15%-30% off w/no warranty and limited selections. Used market is 20%-40% off depending on condition and model w/warranty. If one is patience, there are many deals on Omegas. JM2C
I think more “non-enthusiasts” know about omega than they do AP. I certainly knew about omega since childhood, even if it was only because of James Bond.
I have yet to buy an Omega, mainly cause they are bulkier on the wrist. I've gotten addicted to the slim look of the Rolex case on wrist. Would love an Omega that has a similar case profile of a 36mm Oyster Perpetual. I've tried the 38mm Aqua Terra and found it too chonky for my taste.
You have to hear my Omega story. I bought my wife an Omega Constellation from Omega for her birthday and had them size it. When I gave it to her it was a little snug. Come to find out the watch doesn’t include the extra links. I called customer support and got shuffled from sales who told me they would provide 4 links for free and then shuffled to parts and service with about an hour on hold. They then explained that I would have to pay and I had hoped to get them asap and opted for 2 day shipping which still didn’t get here in time for my Wife’s trip. $175 and here’s the kicker. Today I got another invoice because they shipped the half link separately and later with another $50 for shipping and $50 for the half link. I’ve had crappie service in my lifetime but this is the apex of hideousness!
I own two Omega watches Omega Speedmaster Moonphase Stainless Steel and 18k Sedna Gold on brown leather strap (9904 Movement). Bought from Authorised Dealer with full warranty at 35% off RRP Omega Seamaster 300 Chronograph Stainless Steel and 18k Sedna Gold on rubber strap Black Ceramic dial (9900 Movement). Bought from Authorised Dealer at 38.5% off RRP. Love both watches. Lovely.
I have 3 Omegas, 2 Rolex's and others in my collection. I didn't understand the comment about rough edges, etc. on Omega. All my Omega's feel better in the hand compared with my Rolex's. And the Rolex's are newer models including a GMT 126710GRNR. My newer Omegas, with the 8900 movement, both keep better time than my Rolex's. Even my older Seamaster with an ETA movement keeps time comparably to my Rolex's. The key with most Omega's is to buy pre-owned. I have a Ploprof I bought at the factory and it's still worth what I paid for it.
@@brownmcpherson5724 Philippe Dufour, Roger W Smith, and Laurent Ferrier all said Rolex is their favorite watch brand and the best money can buy. I'll gladly have the opinion of the best watchmakers in the world.
I disagree with everything that you have written. From my experience it’s the opposite all the Rolex’s that I’ve owned are better built with better finish and much better accuracy. Omega SMP 300 has known borderline sharp bracelet, pusher clasp issues and external AR coating issues. I’ve owned 3x SMP 300’s and 3x Moonwatches all new models and sold ALL of them. They’re just not 💯 always something off with an Omega whether it’s a bracelet or sharp edges on cases or even new Moonwatch bracelet pinching hairs and leaving imprints in your skin and clasp digging into your wrist. Not to mention price devaluation after purchase
I have three vintage Omegas, one of which is a Speedmaster Reduced; and an Omega Seamaster Professional 300 Sedna Gold on rubber strap 🎉! Get an Omega now. But wait, there’s more…I picked up a Longines Spirit Zulu Black bezel with dark blue dial with stainless steel bracelet, this weekend. There is now balance in the force
If people didnt get the memo inflation is killing the consumer and we cant eat watches. Watches are not a necessity and they are about to feel the pain. A lot of brands will go bankrupt
Bought a brand new released Edifice a few weeks ago because it was beautiful. Have many Omegas and Seikos, nice watches but a pain in the ass if you take them off your arm. With Edificeen you don't have to worry if you don't use it, it will still click to show you the correct time, date and more as long as it gets some light. You like watches that have long since passed out of the times we live in. Even a smart watch is better than these very expensive watches.
Glashütte Original, Grand Seiko, Zenith, and Omega are probably the best value buys on the secondary market. The only issue I have with Omega is that their watches are too thick. Think Aqua Terra vs IWC Mark XX. If Omega can reduce their thickness and have an actual good quick adjustment bracelet, they can justify their MSRP.
These are my favorite brands in the middle class “attainable” price range. You could have a 4 watch collection with your favorite of these brands and nearly quit the game entirely. Omega does have a very good on the fly adjustment on the Seamasters (except Aqua Terra’s butterfly). The thickness specs are deceiving. 2-3mm is the display case back, which sort of goes into your skin (assuming you’re not wearing a NATO) then the domed crystal, which is practically invisible. Like the PO’s 16mm thickness feels like a 13-14mm. The case itself, excluding bezel and open case back, actually looks similar to a skin diver 🤷🏽♂️
Why do GMT models from a number of brands seem to command a premium? Unless one is travelling internationally on a regular basis, the extra hand is just clutter. Even if one is a regular traveller, it's hardly difficult to add or subtract the appropriate hours or (heaven forbid) to actually adjust the main hour hand rather than the secondary one!
Í have owned four Seamaster, all bought when a new Seamaster could be had for under $3k. After enjoying them for a couple years, I was able to resell them for the same amount I bought them for. Not sure if I can still do that now.
In our world where we are surrounded by magnetism in our phones, clothes, etc., Omega has finally resolved that problem. Have always preferred Omega to Rolex for their movements.
Great video, people need to start looking more at underdog brands which were overlooked till a couple of years ago. Case in point, Baume et Mercier is one of them. Same level of watchmaking as Omega, for 30-40% less for like with like watch-type, or pre owned can be bought for a bargain.
Great video John, I am a huge fan of Omega and own several pieces. However, my gripe with Omega is that they really haven’t released anything of note in the past few years. Releasing new dial colors and limited editions is getting a bit stale. They need to overhaul the Seamaster line and give people what they want. The brand is becoming more like Breitling by flooding their catalog with so many options and sizes that people are looking else where. Omega needs to clean up their offerings and discontinue lines that are struggling. I feel that Omega is too comfortable where they are at in the watch industry, likely why Cartier bumped them out of the second spot. Not going there with the Rolex comparisons, but I think Tudor is a more exciting brand than Omega at the moment.
My first luxury watch was the Aqua Terra blue dial last year and felt it was too heavy,so changed my strap to an Artem strap and made it lighter. I then picked up my Rolex submariner Starbucks after waiting 10 months. It wears 10 times better on the wrist and it’s not top heavy.
Omega's problem is that much of their design language doesn't hold up over time. Take, for example, the Seamaster with the helium escape valve. It's a design that hasn't aged well; it looks old in a bad way. It's also huge, and the bracelet is tacky, and so on. The Aqua Terra and Speedmaster are the only watches that have good designs, in my opinion. Their movements are great, though.
@@MarkDanger777 I have a pepsi, blue sky-dweller, batman, milgauss, submariner, vs omega worldtimer, several speedmasters, planet oceans, and a few 300 p in multiple colors. I don't think there is really a quality difference. It's more psychological as I've always preferred rolex
I currently own an Aqua Terra and I have owned a few Seamaster models. They were all great watches, but modern Omega watches cost too much. I would love a Sedna Gold Tresor, but not for $30,000. I think Omega still has value on the grey market, but I could never pay retail.
I’ve had 3. It’s not that they make an inferior watch to Rolex, it’s that the prices don’t hold value. You have to buy them used. They just don’t have the resell, and that is always something you should keep in mind when buying a luxury item. They just don’t have the recognition of Rolex. And some of their releases are just silly. The Moon Swatch was an exercise in brand dilution.
@JohnPWatches Why does no one talk about Carl F Bucherer? I think they own or are associated with Rolex. But no one talks about them or rates them. Can you enlighten us with a little history and ranking of Carl F. Bucherer watches compared to other tiers? Thanx.
The population of Switzerland is about nine million, if every single person was an expert watchmaker and did nothing else they couldn’t make all of the swiss made high end watches that they sell.
I'm of the opinion that true watch enthusiasts never buy based on value retention; at least for me, I've always bought watches I fully intend to keep. Period.
The new AT with the lacquered dial looks great. But if it were meant as an alternative to a DateJust or Explorer, I don’t think the new pricing would justify that.
Everything goes up except a people’s salaries. I for one, have started exploring micro brands and learning more about Japanese and the snubbed Swiss “off the shelve” movements. To my surprise there are great value/performance/quality/design offerings out there.
Bravo my friend, you can't go wrong with a cw twelve on rubber for 850pounds, five years warranty and a sixty day return, no questions asked, also the trident 300..... 750pounds on the rubber. Or there's a company called WISE that do amazing work for about 650dollers. Beautiful work, all the best Andrew
AD’s will give you 20% off retail. I get mine in Nashua NH with no sales tax. So if you’re buying it at retail you’re not taking a huge loss when getting a hefty discount.
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I have bought 4 Omegas new the last 3 years or so. I really enjoy the brand and think they are rock solid watches.
Agreed 100%
I would love to buy and Omega. Do you think the De Ville Prestige is tough enough to wear daily in the office?
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nice! which ones?
@@killingtime8612yes I have one and get it on a bracelet
I own a Seamaster Pro and a Seamaster Aqua Terra (Olive dial). Both keep great time. I get compliments on the Aqua Terra all the time about how nice it is. Contrast that to my Rolex the comments are, "is that a Rolex" and not that it looks great. Go figure. Just my two cents.
Another comment where someone can only mention Omega by bringing up Rolex lol.
And everyone thinks your Rolex is fake 😂
Great video, as per usual. Don't have any Omegas in my collection just yet, but really like what they're doing as a whole.
Bought a lightly used (18 month old) 41mm Aqua Terra a few months ago private party at a very good discount from retail. I've worn it just about every day since and my other watches are feeling lonely. Well made, looks great, very versatile and makes me happy to look at. I would say I'm happy with the "value for money" but that concept is relative in this hobby.
My good friend has one and it's his go to short sleeve shirt watch. Looks great with Peter Millar polos. Every time I see it I want one.
Best watch you can get second hand fullstop
I have one as well, but with the “teak” dial, and it is a great watch.
The problem is they are driving prices too high and have way too many variations of each watch. The whole collection is a mess.
Valid points. Pretty much all brands are raising prices, due to lots of factors, like John mentioned. But Omega definitely needs to streamline their collections. They just have way too many models. I’m an Omega fanboy. They’re in my top 3 favorite brands. I want them to do well. 😊
Man, don't parrot other people.
Yes! they have a lot of variants but i remember seeing about 250+ something models of AT on omega's website. Now, they have about half of that.
In terms of price, everything costs more than it used to 5 years ago. It's called INFLATION. It's not subjected to omega only but every major watch brand.
The way I look at Omega is a value priced high quality pre owned watches. I never buy new!
@@exploretheinternet2334 Other Brands increased prices, yes but not nearly as much as Omega did.
The other problem for Omega is Tudor, they price their watches very, very reasonable especially now being Metas certified and with the added hype they get from Rolex fans or customers unable to get one.
Not the best environment to be increasing prices. Now one can argue that Tudor does not compete with Omega, quality wise which is true, but the reality is that the targeting audience mostly decides between Omega or Tudor not Rolex or Omega.
Don't get me wrong, I love Omega but their practises seem paradox - you cannot expect people to consider your brand as luxury when you do stuff like swatch collaborations to appeal to a wider audience which ultimatetly means accessibility.
@@Lee-pf2uv because for example their Seamaster 300m paris edition comes with a new quick release bracelet even though it’s the same watch as the regular 300m which doesn’t have it.
That’s one example of many confusing sizes, colours and options they offer which makes it hard for the customer to make a decision. The harder it is to make a decision, the more likely that customer is to choose another option.
It is wild how high prices are getting. I really want to get that tan aqua terra. 18 months ago was a little over 4 grand. Now it's over 6k. For a time only and date watch. With a fabric strap. Cmmmmmmmmon
Buy it now before price continues to go up😊 TREAT YOURSELF 😂😂😂😂😊😊😊
This is the area that Tudor has eaten into.
The brand delivers amazing quality, but if you want one then just wait a bit and buy it on the gray market. I bought a brand new 2 tone Aqua Terra for 45% off retail. You can get pretty much any Omega model for around 30-45% off if you know where to look.
Never purchase an Omega today at retail. There's too many deals available on them in the grey market
Good points.
What is the Grey market
@@jaimeim18 Dealers that sell the watch new and original with a high discount over retail. However, you will not get the international warranty.
To your point, the only way to buy them!
I have owned pretty much everything, Sub, Daytona, Royal Oak, Nautilus and my favorite of all is my new ‘57 Speedy black dial. It’s just perfect
I have 11 so far, ranging in date from the 1930's to 2022. I love them and like you I never pay retail. Also Longines is making some killer watches, I have a few of those and plan on getting a couple more.
I have Longines from 1957 and it still runs at +2secs/day
Ich finde Longines geht ein guter Weg was Design angeht
Recently purchased a discontinued denim dial Railmaster at an unreal price. Couldnt be happier.
Nice
So glad to see the AT offered in a mechanical/automatic movement in "lady" size 34mm cases....with all the great features of the larger cases. Omega doing great things and their "Summer Blue" edition was amazing.
I just bought an Omega as my first luxury watch and choose the Seamaster, Master Crono 600m and love it. I bought it retail as I was not concerned about dealing with a used one and don't regret it for a minute.
I love omega, when you have them on hand you can tell the quality right away and I buy them second hand always
I bought an Omega Aqua Terra Golf edition on the used market at a great price and the quality is definitely on par with my Rollie.
Great video, I had Rolexes and omegas and they all have sharp edges , but omega bang for buck is brilliant and nearly no waiting list and you don’t need to get on the ladder to order a watch ,thanks ❤️👍🏴
I own Omegas and Rolexes, and I find that Omega movements are superior to Rolex. Omega produces high horology pieces, including complex mechanisms like the tourbillon. They focus on innovation and quality rather than playing the heavy marketing game that Rolex does. Also, a true watch collector is not concerned with price retention, only flippers and wanna be collectors worry about that.
@@johyscorner All Omega does is milk the Speedmaster and Seamaster. The Submariner hasn't even hit 50 versions yet. I bought an Omega Seamaster in 2015. It had terrible bezel action. Wore it once in water and it flooded. Never again will I buy an Omega my Rolex Submariner 14060m has been under water soo many times I lost count. It's been running +1 a day since bought new in 2003 its over 20 years old. Omega is to busy ass kissing those lame ass brand ambassadors that don't give 2 shits about Omega. It's not Rolex's fault Omega has the most embarrassing marketing in the industry. The Rolex is just marketing excuse is crap. Maybe if they sold a shit product the marketing excuse would have some truth to it but they don't. They sell a great watch
@@johyscorner Bought an Omega Seamaster back in 2015. Wore it once in the water and it flooded. Never again will I buy an Omega my Rolex Submariner 14060m has been under water soo many times I lost count and has been running +1 a day since new in 2003 and it's not Rolex's fault Omega has the most embarrassing marketing in the industry. Omega is to busy ass kissing those lame ass brand ambassadors that don't give 2 shits about Omega. The Rolex is just marketing excuse is crap. Like Rolex got where they are over night. Maybe if Rolex sold a terrible product. The marketing excuse would have some truth to it but they don't
@@lonewolfemcquade8133 I’ve taken my seamaster 300 professional diving several times and never had an issue. Maybe you got a defective one or didn’t buy it brand new. In that case that could happen to any watch. Omegas are far superior than Rolexes in terms of movements and innovation. Rolex hasn’t innovated in a long time and the most complex movement they have right now is the Sky Dweller. Every year they come up with the same watches different colors, it’s embarrassing. I’m not hating, I love my sub but I am not blind, sorry.
@@lonewolfemcquade8133When you handle an Omega and a Rolex, it's really obvious that the Omega is better quality. Plus, their movements are so much superior.
As long as prices remain below Rolex and you can find them at the store they remain a great alternative. And at pre-owned they are a great deal.
Rolex daily wearer here but one of my favorite comparison to do is comparing 90s - mid 2000s Rolex V Omegas. Omega’s case finishing, bracelet and clasps were so far ahead of their time then.
Absolutely. I have two Seamasters from the early 2000s. The bracelets are far superior to the Oyster of the time. My favorite is my Seamaster GMT 2234.50 which is a great travel companion.
@@brownmcpherson5724ooh that GMT Seamaster will always be the one that got away for me. Almost pulled the trigger on one almost 5 years ago now.
I bought an Omega Aqua Terra a couple of years ago from an official retailer, the one with vertical lines, and they gave me a 30% discount. If I had bought it second hand I would have paid more.
I have bought two Omegas in past 12 months, both from Ad, both with 15-20% discount. Both are stunning watches. Honestly, I struggle to see the difference in quality between my Omega and my Rolex.
I own both too, the big difference I see is in the bracelets. Rolex is miles ahead with there bracelets.
The handsome devil is back! Thanks for another entertaining yet informative video! John P is the man!
Thanks!
Discussing the "bang for buck" aspect of watches can be quite complex. Only a portion of a watch's value is intrinsic, with a significant amount tied to non-intrinsic factors like brand perception, which often accounts for a large part of its appeal.
Looking ahead, I believe Omega has a unique opportunity to differentiate itself by continuing to push the boundaries of horology. Many luxury watch brands focus on refining traditional mechanical movements, but Omega has a history of innovation and high accuracy quartz movements with models like the Spacemaster, Skywalker X-33, and the Seamaster 300M Quartz. Omega could position itself as a leader by excelling in both traditional mechanical watches and high-accuracy quartz movements, potentially competing with brands like Grand Seiko and Citizen in the realm of precision timekeeping. By mastering both, Omega can maintain its heritage while also standing out in the industry, becoming the sole Swiss watchmaker to truly master both and place equal emphasis in both.
So, an Omega with an eg £6k MSRP; £1k is VAT. Of the remaining £5k, £2k is AD margin. Of the remaining £3k, around £2k pays for marketing (ambassadors eg Nicole Kidman, sponsorship eg Olympics, sailing, golf, etc., collaborations eg James Bond franchise, above-the-line and below-the-line advertising, promotions, websites, gin-palace boutiques, etc), of the remaining £1k probably half goes on fixed costs eg head office, regional and local offices, sales force, contribution to Swatch Group overheads, etc. Which leaves perhaps £500 for making the actual watch, box, papers, etc. Now these figures are approximate, but yeah you’re paying for far, far more than the actual cost of the watch.
“Why would someone be looking at the specs and say “I’m going to buy the watch that has the best specs”, NO! There’s a lot of design, alot of feeling, there’s kinda brand associations…”. So, you buy an inferior product as you describe; eg nice to hold but the Omega’s bracelet pull you arm hair out, or the blingy 38mm Aquaterra poor bracelet construction, because…??? 🤔
“In terms of price retention Omega out-performs most brands”? 🤔. Really? 40-60% loss you say?! And the problem with your Oris comparison is that a comparable Oris costs a third of the Omega price to start with, so in £ terms you will always lose more on a new £6k Omega than a new £2k Oris (that you’re also more likely to get a discount on). So, it only makes sense to buy an Omega secondhand? 🤔
@@borassictime918yes, but bought secondhand it's one of the best value brands you can get, which is the point of the video.
Great video John!
I have actually gravitated towards Omega rather than Rolex in the last few years. Tudor in fact are more appealing to me than Rolex. In my collection, the balance between Omega and Rolex/Tudor are equal but I can see myself getting more of Omega timepieces in future.
I have over 10 Omegas. Vintage ones from the 1960s, and a couple of neo vintages ones (sword hands divers, first AT). All bought preowned obviously. I would never buy Omega new. I like the AT small seconds blue on rubber, and it is on my wish list, but again preowned will be the way. I bought my AT first iteration blue 39 mm auto for less than 2K preowned. Look at retail prices today, it's just unreasonable.
I will only buy second hand Omega
Only second hand any Swiss above $2k for me.
Makes perfect sense. Same with other manufacturers.
I will also not pay over msrp on the grey market.
Absolutely the same for me.
Hello John, thanks for making this interesting video, I use to have Omegas, Breitling, Seiko and now I own a Longines Zulu time, don't get me wrong but Longines has taken the place of Omega back in the 2020 when Omega was still reachable, because of the value they offer and the finishing of their timepieces. If you ask me If I will like to own a Seamaster Aquaterra again and my answer is yes I will love to, but not at this current pricing. Anyway thanks again for making this video.
i have the OMEGA SM300 pro sedna gold metal case blk ceramic dial i use everyday and the OMEGA planet ocean all gold 43.5mm blue ceramic dial gold clasp wen i go out to special events. my rich friend has 10 watches in his collection but in the middle of the box he has the OMEGA tourbillon platinum blue ceramic dial with diamonds everywere that was $715,000 limited next to his Jacob&Co. my wife has the red dial with sedna gold globemaster tells the months, but were very happy with omega.
Very true, pre-owned there is nothing comparable in terms of quality and function (for the money).
I bought a Planet Ocean 7 years ago. Love that watch. Next Omega will be a vintage Constellation.
Yes, they are still cheaper and superior to more expensive brands like IWC, Rolex and Zenith
Two Ultra Deeps, Seamaster Chrono diver, Seamaster 300m summer blue and 3861 sapphire sandwich moon watch. Yeah, I like that I can have these five watches for the price of one or two Rolexes if you “allowed”to buy them.
They are really worth it. Buy before the prices go up again
Omega makes the best watches among the mass production manufacturers. Their prices have gone up like all the other manufacturers. Have you seen Seiko's prices recently? They are releasing a new MM300 without ceramic and without on the fly micro adjust clasp for $3000 US.
Sad to say this but Omega has been testing the water for too long. What i mean by that is, it keeps releasing different products to the market to see consumer's feedback rather than using data and R&D to release what the consumers really want. If you disagree with this comment, I think you really don't understand how many watches/variations Omega has released in the past 10 years.
This is the reason why Tudor blew up. They stole a march on the Rolex aspirational market after that.
I own many Omegas, they are superb watches, but I only buy used. When I say that, I mean nearly new 12-18 months old max. I think there is just not much to be gained from buying retail when you can buy a year old for a 40-50% discount - but the build quality is amazing. The only Omega I would buy retail is if they did a re-make of the 165.024, I'd buy that in an instant.
When I started this crazy watch collecting journey, I bought what I liked, can afford and enjoy wearing. Fast forward 40 plus years and I still do that. I own two Omegas, a Speedy and SMP 300. That's what I like and enjoy wearing. I do like the new white dial Speedy but still on the fence about getting one. Today, I'm wearing a 38mm Certina Diver and I really like the way it looks on the wrist.
Rollers are to douchey I'd take an Omega any day
A pre-owned Omega is one of the greatest values in watches.
The biggest problem with the luxury perception in Omega is that they inundate their catalog with so many variations of the same model. Rolex doesn’t do that at least with their sports models.
Good point
And people complain Rolex is boring when they only release new dial colors every year. It’s done on purpose to keep the look of a Rolex immediately recognizable
There nothing luxury of both brand, both r mess products, Rolex produce 1.3m watch a year n omega about 600-800k watch a year, they r at best lowest entry level to luxury..
But what difference does that make if you only want say a Seamaster? Go into an AD or Boutique and buy the one that you like, who cares how many other variations there are. Doesnt matter to you if you are only buying one.
@@kokhui32liau88luxury is something you don't need and buy it for thousands of dollars. Would you say LV bags aren't luxury items? You don't need an ap or a patek to be luxury...
Nope. Just bought a neo-vintage Omega with super cool design and tech for only $800. I can’t imagine spending $8k for a simple watch.
I appreciate your candor, and as a 5 Omegas owner, I have to say, to me it is the best bang for the buck at the plus 5K range - but, that is my opinion, and Omega isn't for everyone, and that makes them all the more special. Thank you for the video.
Great watches, no doubt. The only issue for me is that they are a bit generic, as are Rolexes but the difference is that only Rolex keeps value. Buying Omega has to be second hand - and in the same “value losing” category I’m personally more into Grand Seiko, which are at the same price point, less generic, even better finished and comparable movements. Just my taste, again Omega are watches you can keep for life.
The Swiss luxury watch sector gauged the market, largely Millennials, over 20 years ago and they appear to have been highly successful. Richard Mille came about this same time. The transition from tool to jewelry up the pricing 4-5X.
It was probably blind luck, my non-rich modest cost reasoning as a decades long watch enthusiast and the steep discounts at the time, I bought all my Swiss branded watches around the year 2000 and earlier.
Unlike many consumers today, I've lived thru and owned various changes in watches. Mechanical, electric (balance powered by a battery), tuning fork (never actually owned this headache of a design) and quartz. I was and still am happy to have departed largely away from mechanical.
The market for the past many years appears to be focused on mechanical while quartz, quality quartz, has largely disappeared. 20 years or so ago a quality quartz Seiko having about 5 jewels or Swiss branded watch having an ETA 7 jewel movement was the norm. Today they are largely zero (0) jewel and can cost well into the thousands of $$$. Quality can still be had but the pricing is on the moon for something like a Seiko using a 9F quartz movement.
Visited an Omega boutique two nights ago. Tried on the new AT and asked about price increases. The sales associate told me that he isn't happy with Omega's pricing at the moment because it shuts people out of the market and could potentially be harmful in the future. I was surprised he admitted that.
I bought the "Goldeneye" SMP for under a £1000 in 2006. A year later, the Casino Royale Special edition Planet Ocean with a big discount on its £2200 retail. Still have them both, still in excellent condition. The rubber straps on the Planet are not great and expensive to replace but I love the watch. I like the AT but I can't stomach spending over £6k on a watch.
I don't have an issue paying retail for an Omega AT especially if I am going to wear it every day.... the more you wear it the more bang-for-your-buck. I wouldn't buy a Rolex because of its resale value.....I'd buy it because it satisfies my wants and needs.
IMO, the more production of something like "MoonSwatch", the less value of "Omega".
I own a 38mm AT and a 36 mm explorer. The quality on the omega is better (other than the bracelet). I usually wear the AT on a rubber strap. That being said, the current retail price for an AT seems a few thousand dollars too high.
The hands and dials on the explorer are made out of 18k white gold, pretty sure the same can't be said of the AT. You can argue the movement is better but overall the explorer is a level above the AT.
@@Weakeyedominant no it's not. Keep lying to yourself.
The indices in AT are rhodium plated, which is by the way, more expensive than white gold.
Average rolex fanboy lmao
@@Weakeyedominant AT hands and hour markers are rhodium plated. Compared with white gold, I still have no idea which is more expensive.
@@avenuefive8593 I'll help explain. Rhodium is a derivative of platinum. SUPER expensive (if you bought a block of it or a liquid version) but it's a mere plating (microns thick, usually .05 MICRONS!)
So that's kind of the same of plating on costume jewelry, but it adheres much better to gold, but a plating which can wear off or oxidize off over years.
By the way all white gold gets plated with rhodium as well, BUT we are talking about the weight of the product.
So since the Rolex hands / indices are white gold, that means it's solid gold (white gold, which is yellow with alloy) and then plate, that is MUCH MUCH more expensive since you have actual gold (probably a few grams). The plating on steel or whatever metal they use on the Omega, is as I said, just a plating and has 0 value (intrinsic metal value) it just makes it shine nice and has some anti oxidizing properties.
@@exploretheinternet2334 plating uses a fraction of the precious metal, you would be the first person in history to choose plating over solid 18k gold 🤣
I bought my 2022 Speedmaster hesi last Fall for $3,500 before tax. It had never been worn, box and papers. If you find a second-hand dealer you trust, I would rarely suggest anyone purchase a Swiss watch new. (granted, if you can get a Sub or a GMT Master II for retail, jump on that ASAP lol)
I have always been a Seiko/GS collector. Have some nice SLA Seiko divers, GS quartz, spring drives, and a high beat.
Bought my first Omega, a stainless dial railmaster. Got it for a good price on the bracelet. Fantastic tool watch. Wear in on a farm. Keeper!
My 2nd is a used 2011 planet ocean professional in titanium. Amazing watch! Wear that one to work also. Divers are tools. With these two, very impressed with omega quality.
A lot of people try and buy a Rolex,get treated awfully by an AD then buy an omega.
And then many aren't Omega fans, but Rolex haters. There's always that jealousy they bring with them.
I've owned both, I wouldn't buy new from either brand today but where a Rolex douche will if ore you an omega fanboy will actively aim to piss on your choice of watch.
And there is a difference between omega fanboys and enthusiasts, one is genuine, one is jealous.
Chronoscope on bracelet with dark blue dial; removed the bracelet and wearing it on navy blue gator (omega) strap, and, moonshine gold moon watch on bracelet. These two watches are my absolute best wears each and everytime. I feel great wearing them as they tick away. No need to mention other brands in the case.
Rolex took a page from DeBeers playbook. Create an artificial demand by controlling sale release making Rolex watches seems rarer than they actually are.
No thanks, I’m an Omega fan for life. I can go on and on on what Omega pioneered and beat Rolex in innovation, movements, accuracy and most importantly accessibility.
I looked at the Aqua Terra small seconds blue dial on the rubber strap and was really impressed with it, so it seems like I'll be adding it to my collection
Omega is a consistent and quality products with timeless designs that carry nice incremental changes year to year. Their movements are above average in performance and finish. Their world timer complication is a steal at the used market prices. They are not worth retail when AD's will give 15% off w/warranty. Gray Market 15%-30% off w/no warranty and limited selections. Used market is 20%-40% off depending on condition and model w/warranty. If one is patience, there are many deals on Omegas. JM2C
I think more “non-enthusiasts” know about omega than they do AP. I certainly knew about omega since childhood, even if it was only because of James Bond.
Omega did a amazing job very stunning watch
Omega is an awesome brand. It does connect with the people... And people feel respected by the level of quality that exudes from their products.
Hey John P. Great to see you flying the Omega flag!?! And best of luck on the future after Del Ray!?!
I have yet to buy an Omega, mainly cause they are bulkier on the wrist. I've gotten addicted to the slim look of the Rolex case on wrist. Would love an Omega that has a similar case profile of a 36mm Oyster Perpetual. I've tried the 38mm Aqua Terra and found it too chonky for my taste.
You have to hear my Omega story. I bought my wife an Omega Constellation from Omega for her birthday and had them size it. When I gave it to her it was a little snug. Come to find out the watch doesn’t include the extra links. I called customer support and got shuffled from sales who told me they would provide 4 links for free and then shuffled to parts and service with about an hour on hold. They then explained that I would have to pay and I had hoped to get them asap and opted for 2 day shipping which still didn’t get here in time for my Wife’s trip. $175 and here’s the kicker. Today I got another invoice because they shipped the half link separately and later with another $50 for shipping and $50 for the half link. I’ve had crappie service in my lifetime but this is the apex of hideousness!
Omega is the only Luxury watch I can afford. They still have great watches for 6K like the Seamaster.
I own two Omega watches
Omega Speedmaster Moonphase Stainless Steel and 18k Sedna Gold on brown leather strap (9904 Movement). Bought from Authorised Dealer with full warranty at 35% off RRP
Omega Seamaster 300 Chronograph Stainless Steel and 18k Sedna Gold on rubber strap Black Ceramic dial (9900 Movement). Bought from Authorised Dealer at 38.5% off RRP.
Love both watches. Lovely.
I have 3 Omegas, 2 Rolex's and others in my collection. I didn't understand the comment about rough edges, etc. on Omega. All my Omega's feel better in the hand compared with my Rolex's.
And the Rolex's are newer models including a GMT 126710GRNR. My newer Omegas, with the 8900 movement, both keep better time than my Rolex's. Even my older Seamaster with an ETA movement keeps time comparably to my Rolex's. The key with most Omega's is to buy pre-owned. I have a Ploprof I bought at the factory and it's still worth what I paid for it.
@Watch_for_me Good point. New comparison. My Omega's case finishing feels as good as my Vacheron Constantin Overseas.
@@brownmcpherson5724 Philippe Dufour, Roger W Smith, and Laurent Ferrier all said Rolex is their favorite watch brand and the best money can buy. I'll gladly have the opinion of the best watchmakers in the world.
Do you mean Rolexes?
I disagree with everything that you have written. From my experience it’s the opposite all the Rolex’s that I’ve owned are better built with better finish and much better accuracy. Omega SMP 300 has known borderline sharp bracelet, pusher clasp issues and external AR coating issues. I’ve owned 3x SMP 300’s and 3x Moonwatches all new models and sold ALL of them. They’re just not 💯 always something off with an Omega whether it’s a bracelet or sharp edges on cases or even new Moonwatch bracelet pinching hairs and leaving imprints in your skin and clasp digging into your wrist. Not to mention price devaluation after purchase
@@brownmcpherson5724😂😂😂🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Not everyone buys a watch to invest in! Personally I’d rather have a watch I like and not worry about the future value!
I have three vintage Omegas, one of which is a Speedmaster Reduced; and an Omega Seamaster Professional 300 Sedna Gold on rubber strap 🎉! Get an Omega now. But wait, there’s more…I picked up a Longines Spirit Zulu Black bezel with dark blue dial with stainless steel bracelet, this weekend. There is now balance in the force
Own planet ocean 44 great watch definitely shows its presence I believe is the best and toughest watch you can buy
If people didnt get the memo inflation is killing the consumer and we cant eat watches. Watches are not a necessity and they are about to feel the pain. A lot of brands will go bankrupt
Bought a brand new released Edifice a few weeks ago because it was beautiful. Have many Omegas and Seikos, nice watches but a pain in the ass if you take them off your arm. With Edificeen you don't have to worry if you don't use it, it will still click to show you the correct time, date and more as long as it gets some light. You like watches that have long since passed out of the times we live in. Even a smart watch is better than these very expensive watches.
I have 3 Omegas with 1120 or 2500 movement I bought preowned for good deals. You could do a whole video series on this. I'd love to see that.
Glashütte Original, Grand Seiko, Zenith, and Omega are probably the best value buys on the secondary market. The only issue I have with Omega is that their watches are too thick. Think Aqua Terra vs IWC Mark XX. If Omega can reduce their thickness and have an actual good quick adjustment bracelet, they can justify their MSRP.
Just released the micro adjust recently
I tried both and the omega 41 wore better although thicker due to the shorter lug to lug length. 🤷♂️
These are my favorite brands in the middle class “attainable” price range. You could have a 4 watch collection with your favorite of these brands and nearly quit the game entirely.
Omega does have a very good on the fly adjustment on the Seamasters (except Aqua Terra’s butterfly). The thickness specs are deceiving. 2-3mm is the display case back, which sort of goes into your skin (assuming you’re not wearing a NATO) then the domed crystal, which is practically invisible. Like the PO’s 16mm thickness feels like a 13-14mm. The case itself, excluding bezel and open case back, actually looks similar to a skin diver 🤷🏽♂️
Why do GMT models from a number of brands seem to command a premium? Unless one is travelling internationally on a regular basis, the extra hand is just clutter. Even if one is a regular traveller, it's hardly difficult to add or subtract the appropriate hours or (heaven forbid) to actually adjust the main hour hand rather than the secondary one!
Omega is great. Dollar for dollar, better than Rolex, IMO. Price point, I’m still leaning Tudor for divers.
They're amazing watches, my white dial 300m Seamaster still my favorite 😁
Í have owned four Seamaster, all bought when a new Seamaster could be had for under $3k. After enjoying them for a couple years, I was able to resell them for the same amount I bought them for. Not sure if I can still do that now.
No, you definitely can't do it now. You'd lose a lot.
In our world where we are surrounded by magnetism in our phones, clothes, etc., Omega has finally resolved that problem. Have always preferred Omega to Rolex for their movements.
I’ll be buying an Aqua Terra soon. It’s consistently rising in price in the 2nd hand market also, rather than like many, declining.
My three favourite pieces in terms of reliability, look and durability have been my ‘93, ‘01 and ‘23 Omega Seamaster 300ms.
Omega never put just stock ETA. They were always highly modified.
Great content as always. But gigantic catalog + member of Swatch Group + non-tapered bracelets = off my radar.
Great video, people need to start looking more at underdog brands which were overlooked till a couple of years ago. Case in point, Baume et Mercier is one of them. Same level of watchmaking as Omega, for 30-40% less for like with like watch-type, or pre owned can be bought for a bargain.
Very informative as always thank you.
You’re either a bot or didn’t watch the video because you wanted to be the first comment. Pathetic
Great video John, I am a huge fan of Omega and own several pieces. However, my gripe with Omega is that they really haven’t released anything of note in the past few years. Releasing new dial colors and limited editions is getting a bit stale. They need to overhaul the Seamaster line and give people what they want. The brand is becoming more like Breitling by flooding their catalog with so many options and sizes that people are looking else where. Omega needs to clean up their offerings and discontinue lines that are struggling. I feel that Omega is too comfortable where they are at in the watch industry, likely why Cartier bumped them out of the second spot. Not going there with the Rolex comparisons, but I think Tudor is a more exciting brand than Omega at the moment.
My first luxury watch was the Aqua Terra blue dial last year and felt it was too heavy,so changed my strap to an Artem strap and made it lighter. I then picked up my Rolex submariner Starbucks after waiting 10 months. It wears 10 times better on the wrist and it’s not top heavy.
Omega's problem is that much of their design language doesn't hold up over time. Take, for example, the Seamaster with the helium escape valve. It's a design that hasn't aged well; it looks old in a bad way. It's also huge, and the bracelet is tacky, and so on. The Aqua Terra and Speedmaster are the only watches that have good designs, in my opinion. Their movements are great, though.
I bought a used Speedmaster racing for $2800 I think it’s a pretty good value for used
I own 8 omegas and 5 rolexes. Omega makes excellent watches; however, I find myself wearing rolex.
What's the reason behind that? Rolex are more durable? Nicer? Brand recognition?
@@MarkDanger777 I have a pepsi, blue sky-dweller, batman, milgauss, submariner, vs omega worldtimer, several speedmasters, planet oceans, and a few 300 p in multiple colors. I don't think there is really a quality difference. It's more psychological as I've always preferred rolex
All I see is smart watches everywhere. Luxury watch people are a small community.
I currently own an Aqua Terra and I have owned a few Seamaster models. They were all great watches, but modern Omega watches cost too much. I would love a Sedna Gold Tresor, but not for $30,000.
I think Omega still has value on the grey market, but I could never pay retail.
Can you imagine if the nicer aquaterras sold used closer to a black bay used price. I would have one in my collection much sooner.
hey my name is also John P! Great channel
I’ve had 3. It’s not that they make an inferior watch to Rolex, it’s that the prices don’t hold value. You have to buy them used. They just don’t have the resell, and that is always something you should keep in mind when buying a luxury item. They just don’t have the recognition of Rolex.
And some of their releases are just silly. The Moon Swatch was an exercise in brand dilution.
...that made them a shitton of money! 😁
@JohnPWatches
Why does no one talk about Carl F Bucherer? I think they own or are associated with Rolex. But no one talks about them or rates them. Can you enlighten us with a little history and ranking of Carl F. Bucherer watches compared to other tiers? Thanx.
The population of Switzerland is about nine million, if every single person was an expert watchmaker and did nothing else they couldn’t make all of the swiss made high end watches that they sell.
Love my Moonwatch. I don’t ever think about value retention because I will never part ways with my speedy.
I'm of the opinion that true watch enthusiasts never buy based on value retention; at least for me, I've always bought watches I fully intend to keep. Period.
The new AT with the lacquered dial looks great. But if it were meant as an alternative to a DateJust or Explorer, I don’t think the new pricing would justify that.
Leave Rolex out of it and it’s fair
Has JP been hitting the gym?
My dude is looking CRANKED!
Yeah, dude's looking pretty cut.
Everything goes up except a people’s salaries. I for one, have started exploring micro brands and learning more about Japanese and the snubbed Swiss “off the shelve” movements. To my surprise there are great value/performance/quality/design offerings out there.
Bravo my friend, you can't go wrong with a cw twelve on rubber for 850pounds, five years warranty and a sixty day return, no questions asked, also the trident 300..... 750pounds on the rubber. Or there's a company called WISE that do amazing work for about 650dollers. Beautiful work, all the best Andrew
AD’s will give you 20% off retail. I get mine in Nashua NH with no sales tax. So if you’re buying it at retail you’re not taking a huge loss when getting a hefty discount.
good stuff mate, thanks