Idk how you spend this much money on 💩 that will depreciate. Quick flips are the only way to go, nostalgia is great if it’s that personal to you. Hold to long and you gonna be at the finish line with all these other collectors looking to offload these “amazing” comics to support their retirement. It’s a generational thing. When Covid happened i couldn’t believe it, like I struck oil…people were all collecting 💩 mostly crypto but then comics, any comic that said key 🔑 People are holding their loses now. But also other people are cashing out cause life is opening up, share market is slowly recovering. All that crypto people bought, wow. Just give the money too a charity. During Covid I could sell a slab for 3 times what it’s worth today. The biggest problem was getting comics slabbed. Don’t be depressed cause if you have the wealth to buy all that 💩 well I don’t feel sad for you. Although, you gotta sell it! You only use it for RUclips. I’ll be watching AI RUclips in a few years and talking heads like you and the other culture vultures will be second place. Good luck and smile cause you spent 100,000 on 💩 you can tell that story to your kids. Or your friends 🤷🏼♀️ tell swagglehaus he loves to chat about dilemmas in comics. Make another video, next time show no comics or statues just cash 💰
@@DTsGEEKSHOW: That can be just as dangerous. Like comics, the overhead for real estate where buildings exist, they need to be paid on property taxes, insurance if buildings exist and maintained. Unless rents are always coming it, it can become a liability, if none wants to occupy them. Natural disasters can wipe out that asset and if replacement value if insured is kept current, it could be expensive to replace if disaster occurs. Property taxes could be jacked up government estimates and such, then economy/conditions change where no one is interested and it drops in people to live or use. At that point, empty property becomes a competitior of other property owners to rent or sell, which drops the value of the income/sales.
When I saw the prices start to skyrocket during COVID, I could see what was happening and stayed away from big purchases. However, I think comparing 2018-2019 prices to current prices is a better judge of their growth or decline. You have a killer collection by the way.
Much respect for making this video, I know it couldn't have been easy. Can't go wrong owning a AF15 or ASM1 signed by the Man! It will take time, but I do believe some of your keys will make a comeback (Hulk 181, FF48, Hulk 1, FF 1, to name a few). Best wishes to you!
My heart dropped when I saw this video. If you want me to take care of those comics until the prices goes back up, I certainly can make room in my house. I love comic books. I know the priceless joy they bring me. Your channel is my favorite. Seeing your collections just brings me joy while having coffee to start my day. Keep up the nice work, and I'm thankful when I get a notification that a new video is available.
Nice collection! Would have been nice to see your purchase prices as well to show that while down 25% over the last few years, you may still be up 4X from cost.
You’re completely right on the value. You haven’t lost money until you sell. These are the biggest books in the hobby and gems to own. I love seeing these any day regardless of value.
You need to state the date and the price. If you bought anything between 2019 and 2022, you absolutely lost money. That was a sellers market. Unless you were flipping, nobody should’ve been buying comics in that market. Because you got fleeced!
Thanks for sharing! I have been collecting for about 30 years and I have never looked to the hobby for financial gain and I am not looking forward to a day where I do. The collected as a young boy to escape a bad childhood. I collect now to nurture that same neglected boy. ❤
Another thing that happened is that so many comics came out of hiding and showed the supply was much higher than previously thought. Storages, basements, and attics were searched by everyone! One good thing about that, is that now for older comics, there is a better grasp on what is really out there.
Any hobby or collecting is expensive. That's why it's important to be responsible with what you buy. But as long as the person enjoys it and has fun that's all that matters! When only live once, we have to enjoy it as much as we can!
A lot of hobbies cost money. Collecting can be a great hobby, since you can actually recoup some or all of your initial costs. You just have to play responsibly.
Amazing video!👍👏 I just began my comic book collection and found Toon Haven. They have an incredible range of digital comics for every genre, including the hard to find ones. Lifetime updates too!😁
Good video and thank you for sharing your experiences. My advice: Invest in financial assets with good cash flows like an S & P 500 index fund. Then diversify into collectibles only if you understand the risks and can handle the volatility. Some of these books are never coming back (value wise) and judging by the comments on this video alone, very few of the starry-eyed speculators understand the opportunity costs of tying up your money in speculative items like this. If you want to invest in collectibles, you must first learn collectible finance and detach yourself from any nostalgia or emotion, as these are the antitheses of investment. No one ever gets emotionally attached to an S & P 500 index fund.
There is investing solely to try and gain profit, but collecting is a different type of investing. The idea is to buy stuff you like for entertainment value, not just monetary value.
Wish I knew how much you paid for the books because that’s what really shows how much you lost or gained. I know you said you weren’t, but sitting on a lot of money if you were to sell them. Sweet collection right there thanks for sharing them!
Last comment I promise. At the height I did sell everything. I bought a model x, the all star comics 8 and my son his first car. I do miss those comics, but my wife and my son have new cars and I have Wonder Woman. I’d say that’s a win for all.
You were a braver man than me. I was smart enough not to buy anything, but was too afraid of the upward trend to let anything go. Couldn’t picture life without my babies! And you call yourself a hoarder! 😁
Great video!!! I'm jealous of your collection. In addition to these values I'd also be curious if the years you bought then and the values then. If you had these books since the early 90's then the drop in peak value would still suck but you'd also still be ahead tons in value compared to those previous values.
Thanks! I'd have to dig through my records to find out all the prices I paid. But they were well before the boom in 2021. So I should be in the green for all these books.
Do you think that some of the downside to graded comics is that once it is encapsulated you can't enjoy the full comic, which is similar to a graded video game or vhs? Most cards that are graded are only two-sided so you can still see all of the card. I remove the graded cards that I buy from their cases because I keep them in binders, so I'm not the best person to give an opinion on graded anything, it was just something that I heard from another creator who said that for some books it may be better to crack and sell them raw.
It would be interesting to know what the value of these comics were in 2019. I think the 2020 and 2021 years increased in value due to the pandemic. The isolation gave a lot of people time to hobby around and dip into a "collectible" market. I would not be surprised to see if these 2024 prices reflected pre-pandemic prices.
I have about 3000 comic books i collected during 1980s and 1990s... comic book industry took huge crash during 1990s because everyone was buying in bulk trying to make profits out of it... since then many collectors lost interest in their collection and discarded it.... just keep your comics enjoy the nostalgia and who knows out there a private collector might be looking for a comic book and willing to pay a lot because you were clever enough to keep it for more than 30 years.
Just like you could sell your shares portfolio at the peak and buy back with profit in the dip. But if it were that easy - everyone would do it and be millionaires.
I have hundreds of ungraded comics from the 70s-early 90s. I have no clue their value but I’m about to sort them to find out. Nice video, tough losses though.
Where did you get the prices from? I collect mostly DC and I found that they mostly didn't lose value, most of them even increased in value. Is this a Marvel issue?
Even if he had bought them raw, comics during Covid times were 3 to 5 times higher in value than they are now. I remember one of my Star Wars comics was hitting $200 raw and now it's like $65.
Rip it out of the slab and resell them raw. People are suckers to pay 9.0 prices for a 6.5 cgc graded book. I've done it many times. Just pull it out of a 6.0 slab, shine it up in a nice protective case and say it is 8.0 or higher.
Man what an incredible collection! I just got into comic collecting recently and have never seen some of the ones you have here. Really cool, thanks for sharing!
Everyone just calm down. Over the long term the popular old stuff just keeps going up, especially keys. They aren’t making any more of these things! The value of these books overshot during the pandemic, and are now correcting. Happens with other asset classes, too.
It's called marked to market. Important to know value because of insurance. So how are you pricing them? Actual sales? If you collect great use the lower prices to buy. If you invested then my only question is why you wouldn't sell if the market dipped 5 or 10%? What metric do you use to sell your investments? Do you hold a 100 dollar stock no matter how low it goes?
I have never lost money on books, Buy good unguarded books at reasonable prices and hold for 15 to 20 years, been working since the 80's, all this grading BS pisses me off. I have never owed a graded book, not a one! 35 years in the hobby.
I seen recently that a lot of the graded books aren't worth as much as they used to be because people like myself like to be able to open the book and look at the book and touch the book I don't want just a picture frame of something that I can never touch or hold or read.🤔
This'll piss people off so I cant wait to type it: As a rule of thumb, meaning its not always right but its the way to bet, buying anything to hold for awhile in the hopes that its value will go up is not the best way to make money. If it doesnt give you returns while you own it, providing income by dividends or rent or interest or something, thats a weak investment. So collectibles, precious metals, all that shit we buy to look at and fondle and hope we can sell it for more than we bought it for: weak. Buying comics is still awesome, its just a poopy way to invest.
This same thing happened in the early 90s, right around the time Image Comics started. Wall Street got involved, and the market bottomed out for years.
Great video and educational. I many of the comics were bought during the comic boom. I would imagine the more books get added to the cgc sensus the value also drops
That was painful. I am 71 years old and started collecting in 1963. I owned probably 20 of these titles including all the Spider-Man’s and original Ironman. They were all raw when I sold them in 2012. They were not in great shape as I read them a lot. Still happy I had them to sell.
I always thought whenever I sell I needed to avg at the least 10-15 percent a year. So what I buy this year needs to double in next 10 years or double in next 20 years. But at same time as long ad it beats the s&p over the years I’m happy with returns. But this is why they’re high risk and speculative.
wait, that giant sized xmen with ink writing all over an inner page still graded a 9.2? i get its signatures, but i would think if they're not certifying the signatures, than ink scribbles all over the first page would bring it down in value. i don't really know comics though
All markets go through boom and bust cycles. The values will rise again as inflation continues. We see this with stocks, real estate, crypto etc. Im buying highly graded comics now as the values have dropped and I have a 5-10 year outlook for returns.
This is why buy for the love of the hobby and not the money. I enjoy searching and digging for value key comic books but I collect and haven’t sold any of my comic books yet. My favorite is the $1 bin digging.
No Batman books? One thing i noticed between marvel and batman is that it is near impossible to figure out the value of a batman comic from the 1940s. A batman book with a joker cover in grades above 4.0 can go for anything over 3k to start. The books are less common and you can't just pull out 5 copies of a batman #11. You can most certainly pull out five copies of GSX-men #1 9.2 or hulk 181 9.2 easily. That is a big reason why lots of marvel comic prices can take an easy dump. I've set aside 8k just waiting for high grade batman/detective comics with joker or two face, each time i try to bid, i lose. Just 3 days ago, some guy put up 5 batman books with joker covers on them, i valued them around 3k for 4.0-5.0, those books shot up over 3500.....in marvel if you missed one auction, another hulk 181 is bound to hit ebay. The asm books are so common too.
@@jerryking6021 I have Batman and Superman books but most are 80’s and 90’s and didn’t make my Top 100. Yes, Golden Age is where it’s at in terms of rarity. Silver Age is still a good bet. Once you get into that Bronze Age, you’ll find that a lot of books are readily available in decent grades.
@DTsGEEKSHOW nice. Hopefully you get into the golden age one day and show then off! It won't be easy as you'll need to start loading up detective comics, batman and action comics. :) the newer batman with 1st poison ivy, scarecrow, bane and Rasmus al Gul are similar to the amount of asm first appearance villains. Readily available. The bronze age marvel comics are not bad but too many flippers out there and comics too abundant. Each time I think about selling a batman golden age book, my wife tells me, sure you are making thousands, are you sure you can buy the same grade or higher again for the same price?
It depends on how much you pay for the comics to be able to tell if it's a good investment. I know this may be hard to believe but from 2009-2018 I was buying comics for 35 cents each. Back issues going back to the early 1970's and some older but how ? There was this warehouse in my state that was putting together comic book 5 packs in special plastic packaging with a price of like 5 or 6 bucks per package and they made contracts with department stores in my area like Marshalls. They didn't care very much in the beginning when it came to which comics from the past went into the 5 packs. Well they had a overflow of comics and a guy from the warehouse would set up at my flea market with like 10-15 long boxes every Sunday and he didn't care which books he sold either. It was the perfect storm nobody knew what they had at any point except for collectors like me. I would drop like 100 bucks every Sunday and I would just cherry pick at 35 cents each. There were other collectors that caught on and it was like 5 of us waiting early in the morning on Sundays for the guy to set up it was glorious and I eventually sold my stuff of course for crazy profit. Fun times 😎
I'd be Interested to see what happens to the comics.When Kraven comes out the new x men dr doom ect at least with thoes ones when the movies come out. Not to mention hopeful people's bank accounts aren't hurting as much.
It's been about three years, since I sold my GSX1. I bought it at K&B Drug Store, when I was thirteen yrs old. It survived two burglaries, Hurricane Katrina, and it's aftermath. I kinda' want it back. Nice slabs you have there.👍
DT you need to send your books for a good clean and press n then resubmit it to cgc. Your hulk 181 could jump those extra points n increase in major value.
I clean and press my own books. I’ve had some success with resubmitting but have also been burned a couple times with things coming back with lower grades. The Hulk 181 9.6 might be a little too risky.
@@DTsGEEKSHOW no doubt! Yea I agree it's never a guarantee it'll go up in grade. I was thinking of sending my new mutants 98 (newsstand) for clean and press and grading especially with Deadpool 3 coming out soon. But I don't think I'll ever part ways with my amazing spider-man 300 signed by Stan Lee, Todd Mcfarlane and David Michelinie. Your collection is so awesomely insane and 🔥🔥🔥🤘🏻
The thing is, it is a very expensive hobby, Especially if you are a "grown-up" and more especially, if you have a family. Statues are so cool but yet so expensive, one of the reasons why I created my channel, Hope to achieve decent statue sculpting skills someday, but again, as with any hobby, it is very hard to find time for sculpting :D everything has trade-offs I guess
There is something sąd and ironic in placing something created to be looked at in a plastic case, where you can only see the cover. I have a small collection of comic books, and i but y them to read them and so that i can borrow them to my friend and kids so they can also enjoy it. I dont think that there are many people who enjoy comic books and also collect them for their monetary value.
You'd be surprised to find how many collect comic for more than just to read. Nobody is plopping down $6 million on a copy of Action Comics #1 just to read it, when they could by a reprint for a couple of dollars. Nothing sad about it. That's like saying you don't appreciate museums because you aren't able to touch and use ancient artifacts in the ways they originally created for. Many collectors appreciate the history behind their books without the need to read them. We already know what's inside.
That's what I was gonna ask, what did you pay for them .. if you sell, your profit or loss is based on what you paid. If I bought a stock at 32 cents and it reached $11 couple yrs later, and now is $9 .. I hardly consider I lost money ..
I felt sick watching your video. I sold my entire collection in 2014 for $13,000, and had several of these issues. The one I regret most, however, wasn't listed. My collection included an entire set of the original Swamp Thing, all signed by Wrightson and Wein. I kept a few favorites, including Marvel Spotlight #5 and Ghost Rider #1. I was fanatical about condition, so they were all beautiful copies. I'd say almost everything was 9.0 or better.
It's a volatile market. Very similar to other forms of investments. No way to predict the future value with certainty. You just have to enjoy what you have and if you have to sell or add something to the collection, keep your fingers crossed that it's at a good time.
@@DTsGEEKSHOW yeah, I thought the market was dead. Nothing I posted would sell, no matter how cheap I priced it. An entire set of Watchmen, signed, finally sold for something like $14. That's when I gave up and just sold them all to one guy.
I've only sent in books a handful of times. Most of the time, I bought books that were already graded. Cost will vary depending on the age and value of the book. There are different tiers. Check out the CGC website for their current offerings.
Cool video, but a bit misleading... If you go a little further back when you and most collectors have purchased, you will see the books actually went up. Prior to the pandemic spike of 2021. In 2020 GS X-Man 9.2 sold for around $ 3,000 and now sells at around $ 4,500 which is a 50% increase.
Its better to think of collectibles as good consumption, rather than investments. Even if the books appreciate, unless you have a decent, low cost independent channel you are getting hit with transaction and shipping costs on the buy and sell. There are some perpetual keys, but for this most part what is popular today is not popular in 10 / 20 years, so I think its best to buy comics with my spending money and invest in revenue producing assets like dividend shares.
Just thought about collecting comics, but I would never pay hundreds of dollars for one -- let alone thousands of dollars. The first thing you need to consider before you buy into something, is to settle on what your departure strategy is going to be in order to get out of your position.
Yes, but that was not the point of this video. It was to show the change in value over a particular time period. While the true change of value is relevant to me, it does very little for the viewers.
@ I’m a viewer that cares about these details. In fact I think it’s the nitty gritty details that are rarely shared, that are the most interesting to me (and I’m guessing I’m not alone).
@ Not necessarily. When discussing investments, such as stocks, it is common to say that you lost a certain amount in a day (or a certain time frame) without actually realizing the loss. Those realized gains/losses are what truly matters at the end of the day. But it doesn’t stop people from thinking about the unrealized ones as well.
@@michaelscholar Why such the fascination with someone else’s finances? I get that schadenfreude is a thing. But wouldn’t it serve the masses a bit more to have information that actually applies to them?
Been a collector since 1966, investors and speculators have ruined what was once a fun hobby! Used to be that the writer and the artist was what mattered. Not variant covers. Cost of new books are way too expensive. Need to go back to the old newsprint, when a comic book smelled like one.
@@DTsGEEKSHOW you literally have every grail. Why would they want to sell. That is one worth passing down each generation. Even if they aren't into comics.
Don't buy collectibles as an investment. Sure, don't pay more than market value for something,, but only pay what it is worth to you. If it went to zero, you won't care. There are very few people who have direct nostalgia for things over 80 years old. So, holding on to those over 60-year-old collectibles may be a big mistake. Buy things because you personally enjoy them.
"Direct nostalgia" - if you mean having a fondness for stuff you liked when you were younger - is certainly a factor in the collectibles marketplace. But one of the most valuable baseball cards even printed is a vintage Honus Wagner, and he doesn't have any 'contemporaries' who are still alive. Likewise, the buyer of the Superman # 1 that went for five million is not likely a childhood buyer of that same issue (which dates back to 1939). And the market for fine art goes back literally centuries, that is a topic worthy of a thousand words all by itself.
so pretty much if u get them in the protective case u really just trying to use comics as an investment or collection u don't actually read them right ? im new to the comics ive been enjoying omnibus and graphic novels alot. lots of reading for a decent price
What makes this even more painful is inflation. The actual hit is an additional %22ish. Like art, buy because you like something, not for speculation or investing.
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The best collection 😮😮😮
Idk how you spend this much money on 💩 that will depreciate. Quick flips are the only way to go, nostalgia is great if it’s that personal to you. Hold to long and you gonna be at the finish line with all these other collectors looking to offload these “amazing” comics to support their retirement. It’s a generational thing. When Covid happened i couldn’t believe it, like I struck oil…people were all collecting 💩 mostly crypto but then comics, any comic that said key 🔑
People are holding their loses now. But also other people are cashing out cause life is opening up, share market is slowly recovering.
All that crypto people bought, wow. Just give the money too a charity. During Covid I could sell a slab for 3 times what it’s worth today. The biggest problem was getting comics slabbed.
Don’t be depressed cause if you have the wealth to buy all that 💩 well I don’t feel sad for you. Although, you gotta sell it! You only use it for RUclips. I’ll be watching AI RUclips in a few years and talking heads like you and the other culture vultures will be second place.
Good luck and smile cause you spent 100,000 on 💩 you can tell that story to your kids. Or your friends 🤷🏼♀️ tell swagglehaus he loves to chat about dilemmas in comics.
Make another video, next time show no comics or statues just cash 💰
@@bachtuworkwhen you get to retirement, you won't have time to sell comics so you just throw them in the trash.
Give it another few years, make another video, see how much they’ve gone up lol
@@KayP33 only if you can find someone to buy it.
It's no fun trying to sell comics.
And there may not be publishing comics in a couple of years.
The moment you turn a hobby into an "investment" you are screwed. Comic collecting was never about making money
I collect real estate too
@@DTsGEEKSHOW: That can be just as dangerous. Like comics, the overhead for real estate where buildings exist, they need to be paid on property taxes, insurance if buildings exist and maintained. Unless rents are always coming it, it can become a liability, if none wants to occupy them. Natural disasters can wipe out that asset and if replacement value if insured is kept current, it could be expensive to replace if disaster occurs. Property taxes could be jacked up government estimates and such, then economy/conditions change where no one is interested and it drops in people to live or use. At that point, empty property becomes a competitior of other property owners to rent or sell, which drops the value of the income/sales.
price guides in the 1970's and people laying down large amount of books back then disagree with your assesment
Bitcoin, ICP
truth, brother. Nobody learned anything during the 90's comic crash.
When I saw the prices start to skyrocket during COVID, I could see what was happening and stayed away from big purchases. However, I think comparing 2018-2019 prices to current prices is a better judge of their growth or decline. You have a killer collection by the way.
Yep. ITA. Still an interesting video, though.
yup, this was clickbait with a worse case scenario at it's core
I couldn't have said it better myself. When you you buy low, you get the enjoyment of owning !
Much respect for making this video, I know it couldn't have been easy. Can't go wrong owning a AF15 or ASM1 signed by the Man! It will take time, but I do believe some of your keys will make a comeback (Hulk 181, FF48, Hulk 1, FF 1, to name a few). Best wishes to you!
That's a heck of a beautiful collection. As long as you can pay your billls, the only reason to sell is to get grade bumps!
My heart dropped when I saw this video. If you want me to take care of those comics until the prices goes back up, I certainly can make room in my house. I love comic books. I know the priceless joy they bring me. Your channel is my favorite. Seeing your collections just brings me joy while having coffee to start my day. Keep up the nice work, and I'm thankful when I get a notification that a new video is available.
Comics are really not a good investment. I've read comics for decades. Sure I have a few books worth a little, but I buy them to read and enjoy.
There gonna keep going down in value not as fast as nft’s but they will continue to drop
Shut up
same . i like to get the omnibus more bang for your buck
@@josephdillon9698when all the comics go down to a dollar I'll happily buy all the golden age😂😂😂
@@josephdillon9698 They eventually stop dropping. Even back in the day before I was even born, some comics went for quite a bit of money
Nice collection! Would have been nice to see your purchase prices as well to show that while down 25% over the last few years, you may still be up 4X from cost.
I was thinking the same thing.
Hi DT! You still have an unbelievably nice collection. I was happy to hear that you bought much of your collection before 2021 :-).
Yes, didn’t buy much in recent years. Most of my collection was bought in the 90s.
You’re completely right on the value. You haven’t lost money until you sell. These are the biggest books in the hobby and gems to own. I love seeing these any day regardless of value.
People always forget that when they own mutual funds......Always sell on a high...if at all possible.
FACTS. Having them in my collection is reward enough
Blinds are not blind because they have never used their eyes, then?
This is fallacy. You lose money when you buy or invest. You don't make it back until you sell.
@@gomey70 but you have the asset….
You need to state the date and the price. If you bought anything between 2019 and 2022, you absolutely lost money. That was a sellers market. Unless you were flipping, nobody should’ve been buying comics in that market. Because you got fleeced!
I think it will take 10 years to gradually reach those 2021 prices again. Just hold til then and even longer!
Easy to say in hindsight, Nostradamus!
@@Doc_Dooomof course dependant on people not aging out of the hobby and kids actually still interested in American comics...
I brought 10 various cgc 9.8 signed stan lee comics in 2020 for ~$300 ea. Value has gone up for all of them.
He doesn't "need" to do shit he doesn't want to do, how about you make your own channel and then you can control it.
I liked and suscribed ...youre a good guy ...dont sweat it the big comics will rebound
Thanks for sharing!
I have been collecting for about 30 years and I have never looked to the hobby for financial gain and I am not looking forward to a day where I do.
The collected as a young boy to escape a bad childhood. I collect now to nurture that same neglected boy. ❤
Another thing that happened is that so many comics came out of hiding and showed the supply was much higher than previously thought. Storages, basements, and attics were searched by everyone! One good thing about that, is that now for older comics, there is a better grasp on what is really out there.
Any hobby or collecting is expensive. That's why it's important to be responsible with what you buy. But as long as the person enjoys it and has fun that's all that matters!
When only live once, we have to enjoy it as much as we can!
One of my favorite hobbies was alcoholism. There were no gains. Comics have been very good to me.
A lot of hobbies cost money. Collecting can be a great hobby, since you can actually recoup some or all of your initial costs. You just have to play responsibly.
@@Geoffreydarcy-pv4mq proud of you brotha
Amazing video!👍👏 I just began my comic book collection and found Toon Haven. They have an incredible range of digital comics for every genre, including the hard to find ones. Lifetime updates too!😁
Books are great . I have whole series of omnibuses that are great values.
Good video and thank you for sharing your experiences.
My advice: Invest in financial assets with good cash flows like an S & P 500 index fund. Then diversify into collectibles only if you understand the risks and can handle the volatility. Some of these books are never coming back (value wise) and judging by the comments on this video alone, very few of the starry-eyed speculators understand the opportunity costs of tying up your money in speculative items like this. If you want to invest in collectibles, you must first learn collectible finance and detach yourself from any nostalgia or emotion, as these are the antitheses of investment. No one ever gets emotionally attached to an S & P 500 index fund.
There is investing solely to try and gain profit, but collecting is a different type of investing. The idea is to buy stuff you like for entertainment value, not just monetary value.
Thank you for sharing, keep doing what you do!!!
Thank you for giving this info. It helps! Amazing collection!
Wish I knew how much you paid for the books because that’s what really shows how much you lost or gained. I know you said you weren’t, but sitting on a lot of money if you were to sell them. Sweet collection right there thanks for sharing them!
Always a treat to see that Captain America Comics #1. Whooo! Baby that is nice.
Great video and some really great books
If only you sold all those books in 2021 and used all the proceeds to buy Gold.
I wanted to say the same
Last comment I promise. At the height I did sell everything. I bought a model x, the all star comics 8 and my son his first car. I do miss those comics, but my wife and my son have new cars and I have Wonder Woman. I’d say that’s a win for all.
You were a braver man than me. I was smart enough not to buy anything, but was too afraid of the upward trend to let anything go. Couldn’t picture life without my babies! And you call yourself a hoarder! 😁
@@DTsGEEKSHOW I know. I’m Alex the sold all his big books….
Great video!!! I'm jealous of your collection. In addition to these values I'd also be curious if the years you bought then and the values then. If you had these books since the early 90's then the drop in peak value would still suck but you'd also still be ahead tons in value compared to those previous values.
Thanks! I'd have to dig through my records to find out all the prices I paid. But they were well before the boom in 2021. So I should be in the green for all these books.
Do you think that some of the downside to graded comics is that once it is encapsulated you can't enjoy the full comic, which is similar to a graded video game or vhs? Most cards that are graded are only two-sided so you can still see all of the card. I remove the graded cards that I buy from their cases because I keep them in binders, so I'm not the best person to give an opinion on graded anything, it was just something that I heard from another creator who said that for some books it may be better to crack and sell them raw.
Yo , 1st appearance Spider-Man signed by Stan "the Man" Lee , mind blown 🤯
It would be interesting to know what the value of these comics were in 2019. I think the 2020 and 2021 years increased in value due to the pandemic. The isolation gave a lot of people time to hobby around and dip into a "collectible" market. I would not be surprised to see if these 2024 prices reflected pre-pandemic prices.
Interesting collection. Thanks for sharing
I have about 3000 comic books i collected during 1980s and 1990s... comic book industry took huge crash during 1990s because everyone was buying in bulk trying to make profits out of it... since then many collectors lost interest in their collection and discarded it.... just keep your comics enjoy the nostalgia and who knows out there a private collector might be looking for a comic book and willing to pay a lot because you were clever enough to keep it for more than 30 years.
Great video as always, keep up the great work
Cool series! Keep them coming
Bro could have sold his whole collection and bought it back in higher grades with profit 😭
Life is full of what ifs and nobody can tell the future. Can’t beat yourself up over things in the past.
Just like you could sell your shares portfolio at the peak and buy back with profit in the dip. But if it were that easy - everyone would do it and be millionaires.
@lukemorley3540 sup Luke you are on all the comic book videos.
Imagine what you could do NOW to profit in the future.
And still you're not doing it.
Imagine.
Imagine...!
I have hundreds of ungraded comics from the 70s-early 90s. I have no clue their value but I’m about to sort them to find out. Nice video, tough losses though.
Where did you get the prices from?
I collect mostly DC and I found that they mostly didn't lose value, most of them even increased in value. Is this a Marvel issue?
Ugh this hurts my heart! I have bought a Hulk 181 9.4 during the hype, I am afraid to even look at the price...
Sorry to hear it. But hey, you've got a Hulk 181 9.4! Just enjoy it and don't look back.
You lost over $100,000 on slabs, not comics. Keep them raw and only grade if the you can make a profit. Don't buy any slabs.
Even if he had bought them raw, comics during Covid times were 3 to 5 times higher in value than they are now. I remember one of my Star Wars comics was hitting $200 raw and now it's like $65.
@@JTMaster Probably Darth Vader #3.
@ScoutReaper-zn1rz Well make that two. It and Dawn of the Jedi #1 used to go for a crazy high price for a while too.
Rip it out of the slab and resell them raw. People are suckers to pay 9.0 prices for a 6.5 cgc graded book. I've done it many times. Just pull it out of a 6.0 slab, shine it up in a nice protective case and say it is 8.0 or higher.
Good video and I expect the prices to be even lower a year from now.
We shall see. Only time will tell.
Great stuff. Thanks for sharing
My loss is but a pittance to yours,thanks for sharing and making me feel better. 😢
Any time!
Great informative video. Thank you
Please keep posting your are the coolest dad and collector! Collection is a 10/10
Thanks, I appreciate it!
Good video 👍🏻 great collection
Man what an incredible collection! I just got into comic collecting recently and have never seen some of the ones you have here. Really cool, thanks for sharing!
You had really good reasons at the end
Collecting/Investing can be complex. It’s important to do your homework, budget and diversify!
I agree
Everyone just calm down. Over the long term the popular old stuff just keeps going up, especially keys. They aren’t making any more of these things! The value of these books overshot during the pandemic, and are now correcting. Happens with other asset classes, too.
That AF15 is beyond amazing!
It's called marked to market. Important to know value because of insurance. So how are you pricing them? Actual sales? If you collect great use the lower prices to buy. If you invested then my only question is why you wouldn't sell if the market dipped 5 or 10%? What metric do you use to sell your investments? Do you hold a 100 dollar stock no matter how low it goes?
I have never lost money on books, Buy good unguarded books at reasonable prices and hold for 15 to 20 years, been working since the 80's, all this grading BS pisses me off. I have never owed a graded book, not a one! 35 years in the hobby.
Same here. I have been reading and collecting comics for 50 years.
I seen recently that a lot of the graded books aren't worth as much as they used to be because people like myself like to be able to open the book and look at the book and touch the book I don't want just a picture frame of something that I can never touch or hold or read.🤔
This'll piss people off so I cant wait to type it: As a rule of thumb, meaning its not always right but its the way to bet, buying anything to hold for awhile in the hopes that its value will go up is not the best way to make money. If it doesnt give you returns while you own it, providing income by dividends or rent or interest or something, thats a weak investment. So collectibles, precious metals, all that shit we buy to look at and fondle and hope we can sell it for more than we bought it for: weak. Buying comics is still awesome, its just a poopy way to invest.
This same thing happened in the early 90s, right around the time Image Comics started. Wall Street got involved, and the market bottomed out for years.
Excellent video. I just subscribed to your channel.
Wow, fantastic video. Thanks a lot!
Great video and educational. I many of the comics were bought during the comic boom. I would imagine the more books get added to the cgc sensus the value also drops
hey im so overwhelmed on how to get into comics. i really am interested in trying to start collecting but dont know where to start
Follow your interests and start small. As they say, buy what you like. Learn how to care for the books.
That was painful. I am 71 years old and started collecting in 1963. I owned probably 20 of these titles including all the Spider-Man’s and original Ironman. They were all raw when I sold them in 2012. They were not in great shape as I read them a lot. Still happy I had them to sell.
I always thought whenever I sell I needed to avg at the least 10-15 percent a year. So what I buy this year needs to double in next 10 years or double in next 20 years. But at same time as long ad it beats the s&p over the years I’m happy with returns. But this is why they’re high risk and speculative.
wait, that giant sized xmen with ink writing all over an inner page still graded a 9.2? i get its signatures, but i would think if they're not certifying the signatures, than ink scribbles all over the first page would bring it down in value. i don't really know comics though
All markets go through boom and bust cycles. The values will rise again as inflation continues. We see this with stocks, real estate, crypto etc. Im buying highly graded comics now as the values have dropped and I have a 5-10 year outlook for returns.
This is why buy for the love of the hobby and not the money. I enjoy searching and digging for value key comic books but I collect and haven’t sold any of my comic books yet. My favorite is the $1 bin digging.
No Batman books? One thing i noticed between marvel and batman is that it is near impossible to figure out the value of a batman comic from the 1940s. A batman book with a joker cover in grades above 4.0 can go for anything over 3k to start. The books are less common and you can't just pull out 5 copies of a batman #11. You can most certainly pull out five copies of GSX-men #1 9.2 or hulk 181 9.2 easily. That is a big reason why lots of marvel comic prices can take an easy dump. I've set aside 8k just waiting for high grade batman/detective comics with joker or two face, each time i try to bid, i lose. Just 3 days ago, some guy put up 5 batman books with joker covers on them, i valued them around 3k for 4.0-5.0, those books shot up over 3500.....in marvel if you missed one auction, another hulk 181 is bound to hit ebay. The asm books are so common too.
@@jerryking6021 I have Batman and Superman books but most are 80’s and 90’s and didn’t make my Top 100. Yes, Golden Age is where it’s at in terms of rarity. Silver Age is still a good bet. Once you get into that Bronze Age, you’ll find that a lot of books are readily available in decent grades.
@DTsGEEKSHOW nice. Hopefully you get into the golden age one day and show then off! It won't be easy as you'll need to start loading up detective comics, batman and action comics. :) the newer batman with 1st poison ivy, scarecrow, bane and Rasmus al Gul are similar to the amount of asm first appearance villains. Readily available. The bronze age marvel comics are not bad but too many flippers out there and comics too abundant. Each time I think about selling a batman golden age book, my wife tells me, sure you are making thousands, are you sure you can buy the same grade or higher again for the same price?
Your honesty is worth a million at least. Anyway, thank you for the education.
Beautiful books. Out of curiosity, have you ever read a comic, or do you only buy to collect?
It depends on how much you pay for the comics to be able to tell if it's a good investment. I know this may be hard to believe but from 2009-2018 I was buying comics for 35 cents each. Back issues going back to the early 1970's and some older but how ? There was this warehouse in my state that was putting together comic book 5 packs in special plastic packaging with a price of like 5 or 6 bucks per package and they made contracts with department stores in my area like Marshalls. They didn't care very much in the beginning when it came to which comics from the past went into the 5 packs. Well they had a overflow of comics and a guy from the warehouse would set up at my flea market with like 10-15 long boxes every Sunday and he didn't care which books he sold either. It was the perfect storm nobody knew what they had at any point except for collectors like me. I would drop like 100 bucks every Sunday and I would just cherry pick at 35 cents each. There were other collectors that caught on and it was like 5 of us waiting early in the morning on Sundays for the guy to set up it was glorious and I eventually sold my stuff of course for crazy profit. Fun times 😎
Super helpful, totally worth watching
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Wow! I’m very impressed with that Golden Age Cap 1
I tried to watch this video but was immediately put off by the too-loud background music. Why does it need music at all?
Have you considered sending the GSX 9.2 back in for authentication? It might be risky with the nice grade.
Hulk 1 has always been a rare book and the poor paper it was printed on plays a huge factor in value for higher grades
I'd be Interested to see what happens to the comics.When Kraven comes out the new x men dr doom ect at least with thoes ones when the movies come out. Not to mention hopeful people's bank accounts aren't hurting as much.
It's been about three years, since I sold my GSX1. I bought it at K&B Drug Store, when I was thirteen yrs old. It survived two burglaries, Hurricane Katrina, and it's aftermath. I kinda' want it back. Nice slabs you have there.👍
Go get it back! 😁
He may have to pay a lot to do so, tho @@DTsGEEKSHOW
DT you need to send your books for a good clean and press n then resubmit it to cgc. Your hulk 181 could jump those extra points n increase in major value.
I clean and press my own books. I’ve had some success with resubmitting but have also been burned a couple times with things coming back with lower grades. The Hulk 181 9.6 might be a little too risky.
@@DTsGEEKSHOW no doubt! Yea I agree it's never a guarantee it'll go up in grade. I was thinking of sending my new mutants 98 (newsstand) for clean and press and grading especially with Deadpool 3 coming out soon. But I don't think I'll ever part ways with my amazing spider-man 300 signed by Stan Lee, Todd Mcfarlane and David Michelinie. Your collection is so awesomely insane and 🔥🔥🔥🤘🏻
The thing is, it is a very expensive hobby, Especially if you are a "grown-up" and more especially, if you have a family. Statues are so cool but yet so expensive, one of the reasons why I created my channel, Hope to achieve decent statue sculpting skills someday, but again, as with any hobby, it is very hard to find time for sculpting :D everything has trade-offs I guess
For sure! Life is full of trade-offs. I find the hardest things to overcome in many situations are the opportunity costs.
There is something sąd and ironic in placing something created to be looked at in a plastic case, where you can only see the cover.
I have a small collection of comic books, and i but y them to read them and so that i can borrow them to my friend and kids so they can also enjoy it.
I dont think that there are many people who enjoy comic books and also collect them for their monetary value.
You'd be surprised to find how many collect comic for more than just to read. Nobody is plopping down $6 million on a copy of Action Comics #1 just to read it, when they could by a reprint for a couple of dollars. Nothing sad about it. That's like saying you don't appreciate museums because you aren't able to touch and use ancient artifacts in the ways they originally created for. Many collectors appreciate the history behind their books without the need to read them. We already know what's inside.
That's what I was gonna ask, what did you pay for them .. if you sell, your profit or loss is based on what you paid. If I bought a stock at 32 cents and it reached $11 couple yrs later, and now is $9 .. I hardly consider I lost money ..
You bought all these during Covid? Prices were sky high during Covid.
Bought none during Covid. That was the last time I did a price update.
Incredible collection.
I felt sick watching your video. I sold my entire collection in 2014 for $13,000, and had several of these issues. The one I regret most, however, wasn't listed. My collection included an entire set of the original Swamp Thing, all signed by Wrightson and Wein. I kept a few favorites, including Marvel Spotlight #5 and Ghost Rider #1. I was fanatical about condition, so they were all beautiful copies. I'd say almost everything was 9.0 or better.
It's a volatile market. Very similar to other forms of investments. No way to predict the future value with certainty. You just have to enjoy what you have and if you have to sell or add something to the collection, keep your fingers crossed that it's at a good time.
@@DTsGEEKSHOW yeah, I thought the market was dead. Nothing I posted would sell, no matter how cheap I priced it. An entire set of Watchmen, signed, finally sold for something like $14. That's when I gave up and just sold them all to one guy.
Not only are comic books bad investments, but in the end you’ll spend way too much time interacting with nerds.
Nerds are the best!
Hey I’m really new to this but is there a recommended app to tracking and storing a comic collection?
Over street price guide its online and you can track your collection and see how many are in a run and what you need to complete the run.
Why is the 2021 value the one that the current values are compared against? Was that the markets peak?
That was when I did the last video about the value of these books. It just happened to be around the peak of the market.
who do you mail them to get them graded and how much it will be for ea book???? i been trying to find out but no one tell me
I've only sent in books a handful of times. Most of the time, I bought books that were already graded. Cost will vary depending on the age and value of the book. There are different tiers. Check out the CGC website for their current offerings.
Cool video, but a bit misleading... If you go a little further back when you and most collectors have purchased, you will see the books actually went up. Prior to the pandemic spike of 2021. In 2020 GS X-Man 9.2 sold for around $ 3,000 and now sells at around $ 4,500 which is a 50% increase.
I have a Spiderman 298 that I got for 3 bucks at a used comic shop in the early 2000's. It's signed by Todd McFarlane on the first page.
Nice, congrats!
Atleast, you had a lot of fun, and made so many people including me envying your collection.
Continue to enjoy them.
Thanks! These books are the stars of the show! 😁
Its better to think of collectibles as good consumption, rather than investments. Even if the books appreciate, unless you have a decent, low cost independent channel you are getting hit with transaction and shipping costs on the buy and sell. There are some perpetual keys, but for this most part what is popular today is not popular in 10 / 20 years, so I think its best to buy comics with my spending money and invest in revenue producing assets like dividend shares.
Just thought about collecting comics, but I would never pay hundreds of dollars for one -- let alone thousands of dollars. The first thing you need to consider before you buy into something, is to settle on what your departure strategy is going to be in order to get out of your position.
To get an accurate tally of true change of value you would have to disclose how much you paid for each comic initially (including grading costs).
Yes, but that was not the point of this video. It was to show the change in value over a particular time period. While the true change of value is relevant to me, it does very little for the viewers.
@ I’m a viewer that cares about these details. In fact I think it’s the nitty gritty details that are rarely shared, that are the most interesting to me (and I’m guessing I’m not alone).
@@DTsGEEKSHOW actually your title talks about how much you lost. In any investment your loss is only relevant to the amount you put in.
@ Not necessarily. When discussing investments, such as stocks, it is common to say that you lost a certain amount in a day (or a certain time frame) without actually realizing the loss. Those realized gains/losses are what truly matters at the end of the day. But it doesn’t stop people from thinking about the unrealized ones as well.
@@michaelscholar Why such the fascination with someone else’s finances? I get that schadenfreude is a thing. But wouldn’t it serve the masses a bit more to have information that actually applies to them?
Would love if you did videos on original movie posters!
All I hope for I can find some good runs on some classic comics, in a good price range.
Been a collector since 1966, investors and speculators have ruined what was once a fun hobby! Used to be that the writer and the artist was what mattered. Not variant covers. Cost of new books are way too expensive. Need to go back to the old newsprint, when a comic book smelled like one.
Goes to show just how much the boom messed with fmv. A lot of people took advantage of the boom for sure.
I hope there's another one when the day comes for my kids to sell all this stuff!
@@DTsGEEKSHOW you literally have every grail. Why would they want to sell. That is one worth passing down each generation. Even if they aren't into comics.
great video!
Don't buy collectibles as an investment. Sure, don't pay more than market value for something,, but only pay what it is worth to you. If it went to zero, you won't care. There are very few people who have direct nostalgia for things over 80 years old. So, holding on to those over 60-year-old collectibles may be a big mistake. Buy things because you personally enjoy them.
"Direct nostalgia" - if you mean having a fondness for stuff you liked when you were younger - is certainly a factor in the collectibles marketplace. But one of the most valuable baseball cards even printed is a vintage Honus Wagner, and he doesn't have any 'contemporaries' who are still alive. Likewise, the buyer of the Superman # 1 that went for five million is not likely a childhood buyer of that same issue (which dates back to 1939). And the market for fine art goes back literally centuries, that is a topic worthy of a thousand words all by itself.
so pretty much if u get them in the protective case u really just trying to use comics as an investment or collection u don't actually read them right ? im new to the comics ive been enjoying omnibus and graphic novels alot. lots of reading for a decent price
What makes this even more painful is inflation. The actual hit is an additional %22ish. Like art, buy because you like something, not for speculation or investing.
So you lost 100,000 but you didn’t loose 100,000 because you have not sold any to loose money. So sorry I’m confused.