Phenomenal, thought-provoking film. Saw the film twice a week ago. My interpretation of the characters changes with each scene and viewing. Not only does it reflect the unspoken part of the Classical Music world like I have never seen before, but it’s also a cultural zeitgeist coming out of this post-pandemic world. As a Classical musician myself, it made me think how can one remove ego from our art and is it even possible? How does one walk that incredibly narrow line. At the end of the day it’s easier to judge others than ourselves. That’s the beauty of film, to put that mirror in front of us as human beings. Thank you Todd, Cate, and the whole team involved in this beautiful project!
Yes, I, too am a serious high art musician. It has been one of my 2 lifetime callings, the other being a creative artist. I lived everything in Tár and identify strongly with it. Unlike most serious high art musicians I know that true service to music must demand humility, compassion, empathy and modesty. Fame and celebrity kills music dead. And yet the music profession kills music constantly all the time. Disaster capitalism carnivorous capitalism and neoliberalism is the death of everything not just musician and art. No critic of Tár that I've encountered understands that or the film! It's bemusing to me as a lifetime seasoned serious high art musician. I looked forward to a discussion with my ex lover about Tár after she watched it 3 times over one weekend and told me she wanted to discuss it with me but only had very little to say about it: "Amazing". "It's funny she ends up in Bangkok" "No, it's used as a code for that"(meaning it's the worst place to end up). "Which is a bit of a lazy stereotype for that but still". I said, "I think it was mas more of an afterthought " "Yes, the so-called Non West is usually that 🤣🤣🤣." "Tár isn't about Asia." "What did you think about the film?" I asked. 'Very complex and great study about brilliance and the abuse of power." "Yes, of course. But why choose classical music as a coat hanger," "Why not?" "That's a question for Todd Field " That was all she said, although I mentioned a few other things but she didn't respond. It's good to know that Tár has inspired lots of editorial. If EEAAO didn't exist, Tár would have won the awards. EEAAO deserved to won more awards than any film in history! But I also loved Tár and Blanchett because I lived it all and it's close to my heart.
@@mozartsbumbumsrus7750 Thank you for your thoughts Mozartsbum Bum R Us 🤣😂🥲 I agree with most what you are saying. I believe fame in art is more of an amplifier, I don’t think it necessarily kills art. It takes a special kind of human being to have that much skill to achieve that much status and ON TOP OF THAT have enough strength of spirit not to be corrupted by a multitude of forces trying to pull you down.
@Daniel Tselyakov It's interesting what you say. Thank you for engaging with me and sharing your thoughts. In my lifelong experience of fame and celebrity, I have only known one or two where fame "amplified" their art, if I understand you correctly. One was my friend and mentor Yehudi Menuhin. My instrument isn't the violin or string, but that revealed his true genuine humanity even more. Status, I feel, is not part of art of the highest quality, meaning and import. A true artist doesn't need to shout. That's to do with business, neoliberalism, disaster capitalism carnivorous capitalism and anti art, narcissism, money and power. The "special human being" you mention is extremely rare. One of my early employers and business associates (when I did his graphic design and split my time as an orchestral musician, concerto and recutal soloist) became a life-long friend who coincidentally moved to Europe when I did and we met frequently. Towards the end of his life he used to admit to me that "the world doesn't deserve your talent!". Since then, although I never gave up my "calling", I have to agree with him as life is actively being destroyed as our species becomes extinct. Morality, kindness, compassion, love, are non-existent trivial things that everyone scoffs and laughs at. We're a selfish triadic species (narcissistic, psychopathic Machiavellian) failed entity. The very few of us who actually live life with pleasure and humility, thankful for life know happiness, joy and true love. This "strength of spirit" is hated by all leaders, governments, political parties, business and most of the 8 billion fighting for a place in the sun (or shade, as the case for Mother nature increases exponentially). The "multitude of forces pulling us down" are of no interest, merit or concern to us. Good luck to them! Noam Chomsky identifies the problem but presents no solution except to put his faith in the youth, as we always did/do throughout history. Hawking was right to say that our survival depends on leaving and migrating to a new planet within 90 years, but good luck with that. Sapiens is a disposable species; we exploit and destroy never replenish, maintain, improve. Natural selection guarantees our extinction as a failed species and artificial selection won't save us in time. The UK is the "canary in the mibe" that proves conclusively that the game is up. Corruption is overwhelming and way past the tipping point. I just "do my thing" to the highest ability with nothing to prove to anyone at all. Just enjoy life, be kind and hope to meet a soulmate, if lucky.
TAR was snubbed pretty hard by industry especially Blanchett, EEAA doesn't even come close to the depth and complexity, genius of TAR@@mozartsbumbumsrus7750
Would Lydia Tar win Oscar if her original conductor story were replaced by Cate´s acting career? Can canceling culture in film also apply to the actress because of her immense and dangerous dive into the character and her familiar mimics and voice tonnage? Dilemma set aside, Cate´s bravery is impressive.
You touched on an irony about the response to the film that i keep noticing. A lot of the talk about this film seems overly focused on Cate and her performance. Obviously she is amazing in the film, but anyone who knows anything about film can see that it was a collaborative masterpiece. Everyone involved really had to be on the same page and working at their highest to pull off something like this. To make it all about her is to ironically create the same conditions which led to the downfall of the character in the film. Just another reason why this film is so epic.
Phenomenal, thought-provoking film. Saw the film twice a week ago. My interpretation of the characters changes with each scene and viewing. Not only does it reflect the unspoken part of the Classical Music world like I have never seen before, but it’s also a cultural zeitgeist coming out of this post-pandemic world.
As a Classical musician myself, it made me think how can one remove ego from our art and is it even possible? How does one walk that incredibly narrow line. At the end of the day it’s easier to judge others than ourselves. That’s the beauty of film, to put that mirror in front of us as human beings.
Thank you Todd, Cate, and the whole team involved in this beautiful project!
Where can I watch this Movie. Eager to ..
Yes, I, too am a serious high art musician. It has been one of my 2 lifetime callings, the other being a creative artist. I lived everything in Tár and identify strongly with it. Unlike most serious high art musicians I know that true service to music must demand humility, compassion, empathy and modesty. Fame and celebrity kills music dead. And yet the music profession kills music constantly all the time. Disaster capitalism carnivorous capitalism and neoliberalism is the death of everything not just musician and art. No critic of Tár that I've encountered understands that or the film! It's bemusing to me as a lifetime seasoned serious high art musician. I looked forward to a discussion with my ex lover about Tár after she watched it 3 times over one weekend and told me she wanted to discuss it with me but only had very little to say about it: "Amazing". "It's funny she ends up in Bangkok" "No, it's used as a code for that"(meaning it's the worst place to end up). "Which is a bit of a lazy stereotype for that but still". I said, "I think it was mas more of an afterthought " "Yes, the so-called Non West is usually that 🤣🤣🤣." "Tár isn't about Asia." "What did you think about the film?" I asked. 'Very complex and great study about brilliance and the abuse of power." "Yes, of course. But why choose classical music as a coat hanger," "Why not?" "That's a question for Todd Field " That was all she said, although I mentioned a few other things but she didn't respond. It's good to know that Tár has inspired lots of editorial. If EEAAO didn't exist, Tár would have won the awards. EEAAO deserved to won more awards than any film in history! But I also loved Tár and Blanchett because I lived it all and it's close to my heart.
@@mozartsbumbumsrus7750 Thank you for your thoughts Mozartsbum Bum R Us 🤣😂🥲 I agree with most what you are saying. I believe fame in art is more of an amplifier, I don’t think it necessarily kills art. It takes a special kind of human being to have that much skill to achieve that much status and ON TOP OF THAT have enough strength of spirit not to be corrupted by a multitude of forces trying to pull you down.
@Daniel Tselyakov It's interesting what you say. Thank you for engaging with me and sharing your thoughts. In my lifelong experience of fame and celebrity, I have only known one or two where fame "amplified" their art, if I understand you correctly. One was my friend and mentor Yehudi Menuhin. My instrument isn't the violin or string, but that revealed his true genuine humanity even more. Status, I feel, is not part of art of the highest quality, meaning and import. A true artist doesn't need to shout. That's to do with business, neoliberalism, disaster capitalism carnivorous capitalism and anti art, narcissism, money and power. The "special human being" you mention is extremely rare. One of my early employers and business associates (when I did his graphic design and split my time as an orchestral musician, concerto and recutal soloist) became a life-long friend who coincidentally moved to Europe when I did and we met frequently. Towards the end of his life he used to admit to me that "the world doesn't deserve your talent!". Since then, although I never gave up my "calling", I have to agree with him as life is actively being destroyed as our species becomes extinct. Morality, kindness, compassion, love, are non-existent trivial things that everyone scoffs and laughs at. We're a selfish triadic species (narcissistic, psychopathic Machiavellian) failed entity. The very few of us who actually live life with pleasure and humility, thankful for life know happiness, joy and true love. This "strength of spirit" is hated by all leaders, governments, political parties, business and most of the 8 billion fighting for a place in the sun (or shade, as the case for Mother nature increases exponentially). The "multitude of forces pulling us down" are of no interest, merit or concern to us. Good luck to them! Noam Chomsky identifies the problem but presents no solution except to put his faith in the youth, as we always did/do throughout history. Hawking was right to say that our survival depends on leaving and migrating to a new planet within 90 years, but good luck with that. Sapiens is a disposable species; we exploit and destroy never replenish, maintain, improve. Natural selection guarantees our extinction as a failed species and artificial selection won't save us in time. The UK is the "canary in the mibe" that proves conclusively that the game is up. Corruption is overwhelming and way past the tipping point. I just "do my thing" to the highest ability with nothing to prove to anyone at all. Just enjoy life, be kind and hope to meet a soulmate, if lucky.
TAR was snubbed pretty hard by industry especially Blanchett, EEAA doesn't even come close to the depth and complexity, genius of TAR@@mozartsbumbumsrus7750
Would Lydia Tar win Oscar if her original conductor story were replaced by Cate´s acting career? Can canceling culture in film also apply to the actress because of her immense and dangerous dive into the character and her familiar mimics and voice tonnage? Dilemma set aside, Cate´s bravery is impressive.
You touched on an irony about the response to the film that i keep noticing. A lot of the talk about this film seems overly focused on Cate and her performance. Obviously she is amazing in the film, but anyone who knows anything about film can see that it was a collaborative masterpiece. Everyone involved really had to be on the same page and working at their highest to pull off something like this. To make it all about her is to ironically create the same conditions which led to the downfall of the character in the film. Just another reason why this film is so epic.