manual g80 owner here... That was some great driving by the m2. The auto in these cars make a ridiculous difference of speed. The m2 gets a touch less hp than the m3 manual to manual and this m3 was a comp. Great driving dude, that was much close than i expected.
Great Video. As you mentioned its not about who wins the matchup but more of just the opportunity to put these great cars to a fun test. you guys are putting out the content true bmw enthusiast can enjoy and i appreciate that.
Thank you, appreciate it. It's so easy to criticize online and that's fine. We're not perfect, but we were also very clear why we did this race: for no reason. But no one wants to read :) At the end of the day, it was a fun exercise with no real purpose.
We all know an auto G87 M2 would literally be right next to this M3 Comp RWD the whole time. Only an xDrive M3 comp would pull on an auto G87, I think that's obvious.
I think it's a driver and transmission thing here. The G87 M2 has been measured on a dyno numerous times by now and seems to output 469 HP or so *at the wheels*. One of the first few measured on a dyno matched a G80 M4 for HP at the wheels as well so...
Definitely the transmission. The auto is optimized for that car with much faster shifts and shorter gears. Not to mention a very good launch control system. I think the auto M2 would've won.
yah. i assumed it was auto vs auto at first then had to rewind and saw it was a manual vs auto. wtf?! yah, no wonder the auto won. stupid comparison, they should have done auto vs auto. bmw fan boys have been waiting for that comparison and they missed the opportunity. imagine it would be photo finish as m2 quoted power is much less than what it really puts out.
BMW M fanboys: what we really want to see is how the new m2 compares to a the rwd g8x in a straight line auto v auto This channel: no, I dont think I will
@@bmwblog yah just bustin balls. still a great race. but I suspect the auto version of the m2 is pretty close to the g8x rwd as the actual hp difference isn't as great as advertised.
It looks dumb to some but in real life situations this drag race will happen more than expected times. It happens every day where you'll find guys with the same or different car brand with different geaboxes like auto vs manual bmw to bmw or to an audi or Merc. So this drag race for me was fair enough.
Fair points. One thing: you can never please everyone. Also people don't realize that we can't just go to a parking garage and pick whatever we want. We make a request and rely on whatever cars BMW has in their press fleet. They were kind enough to bring out the 1M, M2 CS and others.
Waited a year for an allocation. Hopefully she leaves the factory soon. I live in the North Eastern US, so hoping to finish the break in 1200 miles before another long winter of storage.
@@scottyk329 Oh shame ofcourse you have winter storage, I live in South Africa, winters here are just like summers😂, but here we are always last to get everything which is a pain! Wishing you all the best with your M2, hopefully it comes as soon as possible!
But actually they have the same engine regardless “competition” badge, with a remap on m2 you can have the same setup as on the m3 competition. Transmission and the weight is what makes difference in performance between these two.
Ugh. Why bother with the comparison? Seeing auto vs. auto or manual vs. manual with competent driver's would be worth seeing. That ZF8sp auto is just too much of an advantage.
Totally agree with you. This was race was done just to have some content to post. I've noticed RUclips watchers fall victim to the fact watching videos due to our interest in the car or cars being run despite the fact in this video the cars weren't matched up correctly and should've been manual vs manual or auto vs auto. Straight up FAIL here on this one!
We can't always get the cars we want. This drag race was an afterthought. We were there to test the M2 vs. M2 CS vs 1M. We had these cars on hand and we did a silly drag race. Which we already said it wasn't fair. Now would you prefer to not see this content at all?
@@bmwblogyou should pin your comment about the race not being fair and just doing it to just do it, people aren’t always looking at the description and maybe you’ll get less hate comments that way, not trying to stir things up, just giving some friendly feedback.
My Golf R with the performance pack and a stage 3 tune taking it to 460bhp would stuff the both of them with it's 4wheel drive especially in the wet!!! Ps. And it was alot cheaper to buy thanks!
Stupid comment! A tuned car vs stock? You're even worse than this drag race - manual vs auto. Why don't you challenge a tuned M3 Comp with Xdrive that is tuned to 750hp?
@@TRG87M2 e46 m3 6 speed manual supercharged. And g21 m340d as a daily. Why ? And why is my question dumb ? New m2 is ugly af, now it weights the same as m3 or m4, why would u buy m2 then ? Previous m2c or cs was for a reason, same s55 but then lighter then m3 or m4. And this peace of сrар they call m2 has no sense at all.
@@lorsamadey2435 Nonsense. It wasn’t. And you keep living in the past. I have an e46 too but I want to daily a modern safe car. I don’t want a 4 door or an M4. I want a smaller wheel base M2 that happens to be $12k lighter.
This was a sad video to watch just becahse they coukdnt get an automatic m2. Everyone raving about the manual, get a life the automatic is faster and cooler tbh
A Competition auto vs a non competition manual = dumb comparison
Didn't we say that this is not a fair comparison? I thought we were pretty clear.
@bmwblog so why make the video? To depress manual sales?
@@LLTK22 to do what?!
@@bmwblog you read that right and believe it cause even if that wasn't your intention... that's definitely what yall accomplished with this one.
@@LLTK22 I don't think we accomplished that. But we're all entitled to our opinions
manual g80 owner here... That was some great driving by the m2. The auto in these cars make a ridiculous difference of speed. The m2 gets a touch less hp than the m3 manual to manual and this m3 was a comp. Great driving dude, that was much close than i expected.
We know it's not a fair drag race, but nonetheless, which one would you take home?
M3 is my dream since I was a kid, but in this case, I'll take the M2.
M3.... I don't like small cars
M2
M2, because i own one
The M2
Great Video. As you mentioned its not about who wins the matchup but more of just the opportunity to put these great cars to a fun test. you guys are putting out the content true bmw enthusiast can enjoy and i appreciate that.
Thank you, appreciate it. It's so easy to criticize online and that's fine. We're not perfect, but we were also very clear why we did this race: for no reason. But no one wants to read :) At the end of the day, it was a fun exercise with no real purpose.
We all know an auto G87 M2 would literally be right next to this M3 Comp RWD the whole time. Only an xDrive M3 comp would pull on an auto G87, I think that's obvious.
Could be. But there is still.a bit of a power difference
Guy had the air conditioner blasting and did even launch it 😂 this is a BMW channel?
Yes, it's a BMW-focused channel.
I think it's a driver and transmission thing here. The G87 M2 has been measured on a dyno numerous times by now and seems to output 469 HP or so *at the wheels*. One of the first few measured on a dyno matched a G80 M4 for HP at the wheels as well so...
Definitely the transmission. The auto is optimized for that car with much faster shifts and shorter gears. Not to mention a very good launch control system. I think the auto M2 would've won.
Would have won only if it had similar HP
yah. i assumed it was auto vs auto at first then had to rewind and saw it was a manual vs auto. wtf?! yah, no wonder the auto won. stupid comparison, they should have done auto vs auto. bmw fan boys have been waiting for that comparison and they missed the opportunity. imagine it would be photo finish as m2 quoted power is much less than what it really puts out.
BMW M fanboys: what we really want to see is how the new m2 compares to a the rwd g8x in a straight line auto v auto
This channel: no, I dont think I will
I get it, but we work with whatever cars we get.
@@bmwblog yah just bustin balls. still a great race. but I suspect the auto version of the m2 is pretty close to the g8x rwd as the actual hp difference isn't as great as advertised.
Any chance for a manual vs manual or auto vs auto between these cars?
In the future
Great video! Now that you have driven both, which do you think would be a better purchase for daily driving?
The M3 is the better daily driver
These would definitely be the ones I would pick over the M4
Obviously... there's no other options lol
It looks dumb to some but in real life situations this drag race will happen more than expected times. It happens every day where you'll find guys with the same or different car brand with different geaboxes like auto vs manual bmw to bmw or to an audi or Merc. So this drag race for me was fair enough.
Fair points. One thing: you can never please everyone. Also people don't realize that we can't just go to a parking garage and pick whatever we want. We make a request and rely on whatever cars BMW has in their press fleet. They were kind enough to bring out the 1M, M2 CS and others.
Take the gearbox out of the equation and see what difference that makes.
Of course. It will come down to the driver then
Got a Toronto red M2 manual with race track package on order so M2 it is for me!
Nice. Good choice
Nice. My TR M2 is in final production phase. Hope to have her in Aug. 8 sp auto
@@scottyk329 That's good to hear, you lucky, mine might only come in October or later!
Waited a year for an allocation. Hopefully she leaves the factory soon. I live in the North Eastern US, so hoping to finish the break in 1200 miles before another long winter of storage.
@@scottyk329 Oh shame ofcourse you have winter storage, I live in South Africa, winters here are just like summers😂, but here we are always last to get everything which is a pain!
Wishing you all the best with your M2, hopefully it comes as soon as possible!
is there a reason why you guys didn't use launch control ?
No reason.
Manual vs Auto. Are you kidding me? Even if they had the same power the auto would walk away. This is a joke.
Again, we get it! No one said it's a fair one.
Thanks for the vifeo its great. Same engine, same weight means that the m2 can be tuned to do the same.
why would you not use launch control??? especially against a manual... did the manual driver not raise his rpm before he dropped the clutch?😅
Lack of time and preparation. That's all.
nowhere near a fair comparison, there is no way someone driving a manual can shift as quick and smooth as someone driving an auto
True
I'd still rather have the M2.
Same because it's cheaper
Honestly lots of rancid comments, i would choose the M3 for functionality, the M2 for fun, in the end, glad we still have the ICE M models!
Agreed on ICE Models. We should celebrate that
The n2 looks like bandit
m3 rwd vs m2 rwd, it can be interesting.
This one is a RWD M3
M3 100%
Ho messo una racechip, vediamo M3 dove va 😂
But actually they have the same engine regardless “competition” badge, with a remap on m2 you can have the same setup as on the m3 competition. Transmission and the weight is what makes difference in performance between these two.
True
But your warranty is gone with a Russian flash
love that yellow paint!
Dakar Yellow, iconic
surely you need to race 2 auto cars? or 2 manual cars? not a fair race..
It wasn't a fair race
Ugh. Why bother with the comparison? Seeing auto vs. auto or manual vs. manual with competent driver's would be worth seeing. That ZF8sp auto is just too much of an advantage.
Because it was a fun thing to do at the end of the day. THAT'S ALL
Auto to auto would have been the correct way to compare
Of course, unfortunately this is all we had
This comparison was useless, talk about handicapping the M2, it's already down on power and a slower transmission....
Lots of drag races are useless, if you look around. At least we acknowledged upfront that it is useless.
the 2023 m3 will be 4wd surely?
One of the dumbest spots to race at 🤦♂️
Should have compared the non competition one
I know, but unfortunately they didn't have one. So we had to work with what we had.
I hate in when people try to do comparison drag races with unfair advantages such as auto vs manual trannies. Makes no sense
We explained why we did it
Auto vs manual? Why?
Cause that's all we had.
@@bmwblog Thanks!
I thought the non competition has 480hp
It's Comp but with RWD, not xDrive
It is the comp. You can tell with the paddle shifters.
Was this race really necessary??
No, but some really aren't
a manual will be slower that a the zf box. rubbish comparison
Pei (Super Wings the movie: Maximum Speed) like it! (and Pei love this M2!)
Wtf is this automatic vs manual
Yes, all we had
what a pointless race of two different cars, one being manual, and the other being a comp.
Didn't we say already that it was pointless? Read the description please
Totally agree with you. This was race was done just to have some content to post. I've noticed RUclips watchers fall victim to the fact watching videos due to our interest in the car or cars being run despite the fact in this video the cars weren't matched up correctly and should've been manual vs manual or auto vs auto. Straight up FAIL here on this one!
We can't always get the cars we want. This drag race was an afterthought. We were there to test the M2 vs. M2 CS vs 1M. We had these cars on hand and we did a silly drag race. Which we already said it wasn't fair. Now would you prefer to not see this content at all?
@@bmwblogyou should pin your comment about the race not being fair and just doing it to just do it, people aren’t always looking at the description and maybe you’ll get less hate comments that way, not trying to stir things up, just giving some friendly feedback.
@@joshuapark5466 fair point. But when you're on RUclips, you need to be able to deal with negative comments :)
My Golf R with the performance pack and a stage 3 tune taking it to 460bhp would stuff the both of them with it's 4wheel drive especially in the wet!!!
Ps. And it was alot cheaper to buy thanks!
But it is still just a Golf…
Stupid comment! A tuned car vs stock? You're even worse than this drag race - manual vs auto.
Why don't you challenge a tuned M3 Comp with Xdrive that is tuned to 750hp?
Not sure a lot of BMW customers are cross shopping a Golf.
@@bmwblog😂
Until the M2 has stage 3 and makes over 700 hp and smokes you again
Rookie drivers 😂😂😂
Of course. Anyone else can do it better in the Internet world ;)
@@bmwblog I wish I met you here in Phoenix
I would have teach you to proudest race …..
@@Top_g80comp next time.
Your drag races are boring, why you match this, why didn't you take normal m3 with manual transmission?
Because we don't have cars laying around and we can just go grab whatever combination we want
The weicht us the same m3 gave morre HP thats all . Technik is the same
Why would you buy m2 if it weights the same as m3 and m4 ? 😐😐
Holy shit is that a dumb question. What do you drive?
@@TRG87M2 e46 m3 6 speed manual supercharged. And g21 m340d as a daily. Why ? And why is my question dumb ? New m2 is ugly af, now it weights the same as m3 or m4, why would u buy m2 then ? Previous m2c or cs was for a reason, same s55 but then lighter then m3 or m4. And this peace of сrар they call m2 has no sense at all.
@@lorsamadey2435 Nonsense. It wasn’t. And you keep living in the past. I have an e46 too but I want to daily a modern safe car. I don’t want a 4 door or an M4. I want a smaller wheel base M2 that happens to be $12k lighter.
@cmgrimshaw and 12k uglier too. No offense m8, but new m2 is useless. If you want safer car you don't chose for a 455bhp rwd bmw 😁
Some people like smaller M cars, like myself
This was a sad video to watch just becahse they coukdnt get an automatic m2. Everyone raving about the manual, get a life the automatic is faster and cooler tbh
We didn't want the auto. This test was about testing the manual in several BMWs. We have a separate test drive soon with jus the M2 auto.
Faster yes , cooler maybe but 100% not as fun
Ngl, you'll never beat how fun the manual is.
Dumb comparison
At leat make an auto m2 versus the auto m3
Dumb video
It's not like we can just grab whatever cars we want. We work with what we get
Boring 😊
Eh, can't all be that exciting....