@@Minnevan yeah, that bumper looks odd, like every part of it is competing to catch your eye, so they each portrude too much in a non-harmonical way. And the completely square air intakes adds up to the lack of coherence
it looks like back in the day when the european cars had to retro fit these american bumpers to sell them in the usa. they pertrude so much and look weirdly proportioned.
This car being controversial just proves that People now hate any BMW no matter what and no matter how small it is what they don't like. XM i get, M4 and M3 large Grille i get (though people are used to it and with the M3 Wagon they now even say it looks good) Prost & Cheers from the Bavarian Alps (from an Audi Driver where every Grille is gigantic and was hated when they were new)
I think the biggest issue people had with it (myself included) is the out of place blocky rear bumper. The rest of the car isn’t too bad looking, but some of the styling cues don’t match the rest of the body. It’s grown on me a bit, but the rear bumper is just too out there
And excesive added weight( 3800 lbs ) basically heavier than a large audi A6 , 1.000 lbs heavier than a porsche cayman , 400 lbs heavier than previous generation M2 base , 400 lbs heavier than a focus RS. So heavy for a small coupe. Close to M5 weight .
Totally agree. The blocky styling *does* look bad on this car. Doug is wrong. 😂 It honestly looks like BMW took Polestar bumpers and glued them on. It just does not match anything.
BMW has had the inmates running the asylum over in the design department for some time now. It's astounding how they haven't made a tasteful looking car since the early 2000's
I’m also surprised Doug didn’t mention that it’s produced at BMW’s plant in Mexico. I’m surprised by this decision since all M cars have been made in Germany
Z3M, Z4M, and all M SUVs are not built in Germany. All current 2 Series and many current 330i’s are made in Mexico. As are the Audi Q5, Mustang Mach E, RAM and Silverado pickups, some VW models, and more to come in the future. Long before I owned my M2, I had a Jetta TDI built in Mexico. The parts that failed were built in Germany: the rest of the car held up great for 175K miles.
Weight this weight that. Its for safety standards and what does the weight matter if you cant even notice it? This car drives as well as any other tiny m if not the best. Lets all go back to wooden airplanes cause its the lighter option so that must mean they're better...
@j you've obviously never raced anything. Nothing kills fun more than extra weight. It's the worst thing to add to a sports car. Bar none. Because transient response. Stop reading the brochure and go to an Auto X. You'll be profoundly enlightened. Pun intended...
Seeing it in full detail now it’s kind of a breath of fresh air to me, yes the rear is blocky but looks nice tho, I recently lost my X5 so I’m hurt atm
I think you missed a bit on this one, Doug…you did hit on the many good points it has, but you skipped over a couple things. For one thing, it has power levels like the next class up because it *weighs* as much as the next class up, pretty much right in line with the M3 and nearly as much as the old V8 C63. Also, I’ve heard almost no one complaining about the fenders. What I hate is the very upright front end, and while I’m glad they kept the more “normal” BMW grille, they still somehow managed to make the whole front end look ugly.
Yea, this really annoyed me and seemed a little dishonest. Not to mention the picture of the M3 he showed, was actually the M3 competition, NOT the base M3. Almost like he wanted to prove his point, without showing all the evidence. Really disappointed in Doug.
Exactly. Doug mentions the new M2 has a straight6, manual and RWD. Do you know what had that? THE OLD M2 it also in addition had way less weight and a lighter chassis
@@plamenvasilev the car community just loves to hate until what they were hating on isn’t there anymore, then all of a sudden it was the best thing ever made and it should come back
I love that BMW brought back the manual transmission. I really don't hate the look at all, but I don't think it's their finest looking M coupe ether. This is a great tribute to the original M cars. I hope to be able to afford something this nice some day. Thank you.
The M2 is practically the ONLY BMW that seems to emulate the Ethos of what BMW meant back in the 80s. It is the spiritual successor of the first M3. They styling is fine, not great, but good enough from most angles. Also, you are absolutely right, those flared fenders make up for all the other styling blunders (read head and taillights) to the point that no one should care. If you want a great little modern BMW, this is the one to buy. Who knows how long it will be around as well? It shocks and impresses me that BMW still makes any car like this. With the "M" division now making EVs (and not great ones), the days are numbered for gems like the M2. Also, cool color!
@@rlsedition What a silly thing to say in what Alfa Giulia is better than the M3??The handling and driving pleasure they have at a very similar level, and in every other respect BMW is better.
@@smokwawelski7235 C'mon now. Some of these BMWs are impressive and others not so much. In general the engines perform better than promised, but the ride is a concern on 3 and 5 series Ms and the grilles appearance is dreadful on the M3/M4. Better than the competition? Depends on what you want/need.
@@antekqwe You must live under a rock. BMW steering has received "devoid of feel" complaints by every automotive journalist. Alfa steering is on an entirely different level, as in "great". And the 3 series styling is overdone, especially the M grilles, as many have stated. The Giulia, though several years old now, looks way better than any current 3 series. And that new digital dash looks entirely tacked on and eliminated all the knobs for control of such basics as HVAC and radio. Hasn't anyone at BMW ever driven their cars at speed and attempted to turn up the cabin heat without taking their eyes totally off the road ahead? I'll give BMW credit for powerful engines, but as a total package the Giulia excels. I used to be a BMW fanboy when the E36 M3 existed, but now the Giulia QV is the car BMW used to be - a true driver's machine.
BMW fan here, and this car looks absolutely horrible. I have no idea what Doug was smoking before this video. I honestly think this thing makes the m4 and m5 look good in comparison. It looks blocky, not fast or sleek like a sports car should. BMW's entire design department should have been fired a couple years ago. Its sad because other departments are delivering, the powertrains are great, the cars are handling monsters, they are giving customers what they want, funs cars with great handling, speed, keeping manuals and ability to throw it around... etc.Yet the design are so bad it hurts my soul.
God love them for making this...manual, RWD, not crazy expensive...awesome. If they didn't make it look like it was designed with a ruler, they'd sell them faster than they could make them.
Flare fenders are awesome. It's the front and back end. Just too boxy that contrasts with the rest of the curves. If it were all boxy or all curves it would work better, but as now it looks like the top half is one car and the bottom half is another.
I think BMW has peaked in terms of performance and refinement of their 6 cylinders. Next generations definitely gonna have some sort of EV attached to it. Also, I never heard anyone complain about the fenders, it was more so about the front and rear look. Especially the rear, those taillights look really dinky in my opinion.
Hey Doug! Love your reviews. Just wanted to point out at 10:20 the door panel lights actually flash red when the door is open to alert other cars coming from behind in traffic. So there is a bit of functionality built in!
After driving both the 230 and 240 models. I was excited for this little car. The new 2 series chassis is a lot of fun to drive. With or without the M badges. If someone wants and needs a fun car that can also be a GT. These new 2 series models will not disappoint. I personally think it's more power than it needs but whatever.
7:30 not exactly. Toss all of the screens and the body control modules, bring back port injection and better timing chain guides... what's that you say? just buy and older m3? will do 👍🏻
FYI the badge is the 50th anniversary emblem. 50th Jahre. And meant for only cars built in the year 2022 were able to get it, but seems maybe it’s still avail. Our two i4’s got them as they were both built in the year 2022, even though mine was 9/22 for build date so was 2023 model.
The weight ruins it for me. It's approaching M4 territory when i think the two products should provide very different experiences. It should be small, light and raw. But that's just me. They'll probably still sell a ton
Have you driven the M2? You seem like you’re posting in a way that you’ve compared the M4 and M2 by driving both of them back to back. Is this true? Or is this benchmark internet speak?
Your comment about the clutch hook is 100% accurate. My E46 M3 was the same way- easy to figure out but much different than every other manufacturer. Pretty heavy clutch too but I actually like that
I adore this car, I think it looks absolutely amazing. And you can not beat a 2 door, rwd, turbo 6 manual. If I had the funds to buy a luxury performance car this is what I would buy today.
If I could afford it, Id go out and get one. Im not even a beemer guy, but I appreciate what they've done with this. An I6, manual, RWD coupe, with some classic beemer styling queues..Theres alot to like.
A "Beemer" is a motorcycle 🤫 But yeah, where I live it's almost double the price of the US price and we still want it here! Although BMW's manuals aren't really the best in business while the ZF is arguably the best automatic alongside the PDK.
Doug is saying EXACTLY what ive been saying about the new m2 for months now. It looks like those amazing classic older bmws that are the real staple of their racing brand.
I think this is really one of the last true enthusiast’s car. I really loved the old M2. I will concede that the new one looks a little off in proportions but I kinda like it. The grill is not so pretty I have no idea what was wrong with the old one, but anything is better than the M4 beaver tooth grill!
@CarlRencer "No we must play the victim and pretend that we are being persecuted by the dEeP StaTE, and, uh, Hillary Clinton's DNC hack! Crooked Hillary!"
Doug, the last thing I would expect anyone to complain about is the fender flares. Any car enthusiast loves that stuff. I have no idea what you talking about. Maybe the real problem is the front of the car. Previous M2 was a beauty all around.
I like it. I had a Triumph TR-6 car with an inline 6. It sounded great, wouldn't pass emissions, caused me untold pain and I loved it. This could be that. I agree with Doug. This is what we want.
This is SO far from your triumph. I'd say only similarities are two doors, straight six and rwd This probably weighs nearly 2x, and has been tuned to leave the driver disconnected from both steering and shifter 😢
I bought a 23 230i, basically to stay out of jail. The ZF automatic is a dream. Great freeway cruiser and a sled in the twisties. Never been happier with a purchase except for my 97 Defender.
Idk what the problem is, it's a cool squared off boxy sports coupe? I personally think it's looks great. It's got a bit of retro styling to it which is great considering we're in the egg era of cars. The rear vertical section is hilarious to me cause I drive a tC and it has those too lmao
Yeah, i dont love it, but it aint bad either. Old m2/m4/m6 used to be way more similiar only difference was the size. Now M2 is completily different to M4 or an M8 and it feels like a different aim. It just fills way more market nieches and that is something I can go ahead with.
@@Omgiamsotriggered tbf I'm not the biggest beamer fan but out of all of them as of right now, I'd definitely be happy with this iteration of the M2. Plus I also love niche cars.
Me and Doug were on the same page, we're car purists so we know what we were looking at when we first saw this car. At first I saw the E30 M3 reincarnation, now that he mentioned the dimensions, now I see a little E46 in there. Gotta see one in person now.
I like it. Never really hated it as such, but after seeing multiple reviews and actual photos, I can honestly say I think it's pretty cool. Definitely looks better than the "normal" 2-series.
Yeah, too many people are biased on how the cool looked versus it’s older companion. It looks great as a car, and I would appreciate it since brand new sports cars are getting rarer and rarer, as more SUV’s take over.
We all like those fenders, I like the boxy bumpers as well but the fascia of the car (front and rear) is just off. It doesn't remind me anything about BMW and the kidney grill looks like it was an afterthought.
Totally agree that BMW put all the right components into this G87; although, I went with the auto as it performs better than the manual. I sold my 2020 M2 Comp and purchasing a 2024 M2. Initially I didn't like the new G87 design either; however, it really grew on me, especially in the Brooklyn Grey with black wheels which I'm getting. BTW, my car has the standard BMW logo.
I think this car is perfect looking, and I'm in my 30s and haven't liked BMW since I was a kid. I've still always been hesitant to own anything european but I like these so much I keep being tempted
My only beef is that they should take the Audi TT route and remove that second screen completely on cars like these. You could implement everything on that one screen and then the center would nicer looking thing.
Anyone reading this just go to r44 performance page and look at their bagged m2 .. one of their latest vids. The color, the rims, and some other small changes completely transforms this car. With tasteful stuff done it truly looks amazing and like a mini muscle car
Doug this time you're wrong, stylish could be objective. Mercedes 300 sl 1957 is beautiful, Fiat Multipla is ugly. That's it. And no matter what siome people say but this car IS UGLY. Stop. Don't mean to be rude
I’m thankful that BMW got rid of that humongous grill, but I think that they look just a little bit better now with that small grill. The older BMW cars look amazing still.
I think overall styling with dark colours, the straight 6 engine, the manual transmission, the interior with sport seats and the exhaust sound are great, but like many people i also didn’t like the rear lights and that exclamation point thing on the rear bumper.
I saw this car 🚙 recently and it looks really good in person 😊 the owner works at a dealership and modified it to the max lower it and a lot more it’s awesome 👏 and I don’t like bmw really I am an Audi fan 😊
Enthusiasts don't complain about the flared fenders. In fact M cars have always had bulgy fenders. They complain it now heavier than a Mustang or some mid-sized SUVs.
This m2 checks all my boxes. To me it lookis like an e30 m3 and an r34 had a baby. I love the body styling and the performance per dollar is excellent. I hope I can nab one someday
I wanted a new Dark Horse but after seeing the 2025 prices of the Mustangs I think the M2 is the better deal. Base model gets leather, way nicer interior, it’s faster, better mpg, bigger back seat and trunk.
Haven't heard nobody complain about the fenders, which I like very much. The complains I heard about the looks are mainly about the front, which is too squared and looks like a lego replica of a car. And, frankly, I agree. The package is superb, no doubt. But to be ready to spend at least 60k on a BMW coupé I want it to be breathtakingly beautiful, not "ok".
Really interesting point at 21:00... I too have noticed a difference between say, 300Hp derived from a 6Cyl and the 300Hp from a smaller engine with a dozen turbos strapped-on. The numbers may match but the drive is very different. Merc are going to suffer with the 2.0L powertrains as the basis for their high-performancee cars.
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I dont think anyone was mad about the wide fenders at all
The majority of complaints seem to be about the bumpers and headlights
@@Minnevan 100 percent agree
@@Minnevan absolutely.. I never heard anyone talk about the wide fenders
More about the cross eyed tail lights
@@Minnevan yeah, that bumper looks odd, like every part of it is competing to catch your eye, so they each portrude too much in a non-harmonical way. And the completely square air intakes adds up to the lack of coherence
I never complained about the fenders, the thing that puts me off slightly is the grill just looks a little too boxy for the rest of the car.
@Abe Lincoln and the tail lights and headlights are miniature and look strange. The whole front and rear end looks like a confused mess
Sure but I like the grill But the car doesn’t look good in bright colors would look better metallic like gunmetal silver
The whole car is a hideous mess.
Because BMW.
it looks like back in the day when the european cars had to retro fit these american bumpers to sell them in the usa. they pertrude so much and look weirdly proportioned.
This car being controversial just proves that People now hate any BMW no matter what and no matter how small it is what they don't like.
XM i get, M4 and M3 large Grille i get (though people are used to it and with the M3 Wagon they now even say it looks good)
Prost & Cheers from the Bavarian Alps (from an Audi Driver where every Grille is gigantic and was hated when they were new)
I think the biggest issue people had with it (myself included) is the out of place blocky rear bumper. The rest of the car isn’t too bad looking, but some of the styling cues don’t match the rest of the body. It’s grown on me a bit, but the rear bumper is just too out there
And excesive added weight( 3800 lbs ) basically heavier than a large audi A6 , 1.000 lbs heavier than a porsche cayman , 400 lbs heavier than previous generation M2 base , 400 lbs heavier than a focus RS. So heavy for a small coupe. Close to M5 weight .
Totally agree. The blocky styling *does* look bad on this car. Doug is wrong. 😂
It honestly looks like BMW took Polestar bumpers and glued them on. It just does not match anything.
Rear and front is ugly. Side looks OK. That's all I like about the exterior
I think rear is fine, but I hate the front.
BMW has had the inmates running the asylum over in the design department for some time now. It's astounding how they haven't made a tasteful looking car since the early 2000's
The weight of this vehicle is one my biggest gripes and I'm very surprised Doug didn't touch on this point.
I’m also surprised Doug didn’t mention that it’s produced at BMW’s plant in Mexico. I’m surprised by this decision since all M cars have been made in Germany
facts
Z3M, Z4M, and all M SUVs are not built in Germany. All current 2 Series and many current 330i’s are made in Mexico. As are the Audi Q5, Mustang Mach E, RAM and Silverado pickups, some VW models, and more to come in the future.
Long before I owned my M2, I had a Jetta TDI built in Mexico. The parts that failed were built in Germany: the rest of the car held up great for 175K miles.
Weight this weight that. Its for safety standards and what does the weight matter if you cant even notice it? This car drives as well as any other tiny m if not the best. Lets all go back to wooden airplanes cause its the lighter option so that must mean they're better...
@j you've obviously never raced anything. Nothing kills fun more than extra weight. It's the worst thing to add to a sports car. Bar none. Because transient response. Stop reading the brochure and go to an Auto X. You'll be profoundly enlightened. Pun intended...
I like how Doug is trying to persuade us to buy the new m2
@@richardbirkenwald811 cocaine is made in mexico its still amazing
3,800lb just no. Also, how can Toyota take the BMW components in the Supra and build a better shifter than BMW can?
he failed
@@porscherainthey supposedly add d a Toyota touch
@Anonymous A Toyota outsources their manuals, they don't make them in house.
I think the M2 Pro version will be better, the Max and Ultra versions might be a bit too expensive.
Forgot the Ultra Pro Max S.
@@Kxji I'm waiting for the Ultra Pro Max S Lite myself
Damn companies…. 😂😂
I'll wait for the limited edition pink version that plants trees in the amazon
The Ultra Pro Turbo Boost Plus will be the fastest.
I love the wide fenders. I actually like it, it looks pretty good. I especially like the front end and that it’s manual.
Yeah but *nobody* complained about the wide fenders. The OG M2 had some thicc hips as well. Doug is just pulling that out of thin air.
Yeah it actually looks great in person. Photos and videos don’t do the car justice.
As the second owner of my 2003 M3 I got the window sticker with it. $54,000 in 2003, this car is an M bargain.
54,000 usd in 2003 is roughly the equivalent of 88,000 today for those who are curious
54k in 03 is not a bargain bro
@@MacDaddyC7Z06 he’s saying the current M2 is a bargain.
@@MacDaddyC7Z06 the M2 is a bargain.
@Dr. Skillz I guess I misread but if that's what he means then yes this M2 is a good deal for sure.
Seeing it in full detail now it’s kind of a breath of fresh air to me, yes the rear is blocky but looks nice tho, I recently lost my X5 so I’m hurt atm
I think you missed a bit on this one, Doug…you did hit on the many good points it has, but you skipped over a couple things. For one thing, it has power levels like the next class up because it *weighs* as much as the next class up, pretty much right in line with the M3 and nearly as much as the old V8 C63. Also, I’ve heard almost no one complaining about the fenders. What I hate is the very upright front end, and while I’m glad they kept the more “normal” BMW grille, they still somehow managed to make the whole front end look ugly.
Is there an explanation for why a ice car weighs that much? Besides to justify selling a cs version?
Yea, this really annoyed me and seemed a little dishonest. Not to mention the picture of the M3 he showed, was actually the M3 competition, NOT the base M3. Almost like he wanted to prove his point, without showing all the evidence. Really disappointed in Doug.
Anyone caught up on the weight issue clearly hasn’t owned a 2 Series of any generation. They are feature filled and put together with quality.
Exactly. Doug mentions the new M2 has a straight6, manual and RWD. Do you know what had that? THE OLD M2 it also in addition had way less weight and a lighter chassis
@@Traxxmaciek it’s unforgivable. the new m2 weighs nearly the same as a freaking m3 and m4.
People complain not of the flared fenders, but the strange headlights and tail lights…
I still think it's weird that this thing weighs nearly the same as the M3
It having the exact same engine as the M3 might contribute to its weight increase.
Even small cars are getting bigger and heavier
I think I prefer the previous version but I'm sure this is great to drive too.
You'll get use to it eventually. People hates the E60 M5 when it 1st came out. Can you imagine hating the E60 M5? I can't...
@@plamenvasilev the car community just loves to hate until what they were hating on isn’t there anymore, then all of a sudden it was the best thing ever made and it should come back
It’s extremely fun to drive and looks leaps and bounds better in person. It isn’t a photogenic car.
I love that BMW brought back the manual transmission. I really don't hate the look at all, but I don't think it's their finest looking M coupe ether. This is a great tribute to the original M cars. I hope to be able to afford something this nice some day. Thank you.
It's not the fenders that bother me, it's the front grill/bumper. I love almost everything else about it.
Much better than the ridiculously oversized grilles they've been using as of recent. The grill reminds me of a classic kidney grill in the e46/e90
The M2 is practically the ONLY BMW that seems to emulate the Ethos of what BMW meant back in the 80s. It is the spiritual successor of the first M3. They styling is fine, not great, but good enough from most angles. Also, you are absolutely right, those flared fenders make up for all the other styling blunders (read head and taillights) to the point that no one should care. If you want a great little modern BMW, this is the one to buy. Who knows how long it will be around as well? It shocks and impresses me that BMW still makes any car like this. With the "M" division now making EVs (and not great ones), the days are numbered for gems like the M2. Also, cool color!
I say the Alfa Romeo Giulia is the real spiritual successor to the E36 BMW. The right size, weight and handling focus. BMW has lost its way.
M3, M4, M5, M8 are also brilliant cars much better than the competition from Audi, Lexus or Mercedes.
@@rlsedition What a silly thing to say in what Alfa Giulia is better than the M3??The handling and driving pleasure they have at a very similar level, and in every other respect BMW is better.
@@smokwawelski7235 C'mon now. Some of these BMWs are impressive and others not so much. In general the engines perform better than promised, but the ride is a concern on 3 and 5 series Ms and the grilles appearance is dreadful on the M3/M4. Better than the competition? Depends on what you want/need.
@@antekqwe You must live under a rock. BMW steering has received "devoid of feel" complaints by every automotive journalist. Alfa steering is on an entirely different level, as in "great". And the 3 series styling is overdone, especially the M grilles, as many have stated. The Giulia, though several years old now, looks way better than any current 3 series. And that new digital dash looks entirely tacked on and eliminated all the knobs for control of such basics as HVAC and radio. Hasn't anyone at BMW ever driven their cars at speed and attempted to turn up the cabin heat without taking their eyes totally off the road ahead? I'll give BMW credit for powerful engines, but as a total package the Giulia excels. I used to be a BMW fanboy when the E36 M3 existed, but now the Giulia QV is the car BMW used to be - a true driver's machine.
The wide finders are not the problem, its the fact that the doors do not have any dimension to it like the last model.
It has more hp but it's a heavier car.
Doug the kind of guy who tells everybody he has a Discover Card
BMW fan here, and this car looks absolutely horrible. I have no idea what Doug was smoking before this video.
I honestly think this thing makes the m4 and m5 look good in comparison. It looks blocky, not fast or sleek like a sports car should.
BMW's entire design department should have been fired a couple years ago. Its sad because other departments are delivering, the powertrains are great, the cars are handling monsters, they are giving customers what they want, funs cars with great handling, speed, keeping manuals and ability to throw it around... etc.Yet the design are so bad it hurts my soul.
God love them for making this...manual, RWD, not crazy expensive...awesome. If they didn't make it look like it was designed with a ruler, they'd sell them faster than they could make them.
Car gains 250kg - 550lb - on predecessor. For what reason?
@@julianevans9548 More and more tech, safety and comfort shit.
@@julianevans9548 dude are you gonna say the same false thing in every single comment ? lmao
@@jreyes2464 It's a valid question.
Right now year and a half wait, and really no allocations just yet.
Flare fenders are awesome. It's the front and back end. Just too boxy that contrasts with the rest of the curves. If it were all boxy or all curves it would work better, but as now it looks like the top half is one car and the bottom half is another.
I think BMW has peaked in terms of performance and refinement of their 6 cylinders. Next generations definitely gonna have some sort of EV attached to it. Also, I never heard anyone complain about the fenders, it was more so about the front and rear look. Especially the rear, those taillights look really dinky in my opinion.
"An old school BMW turbo 6 cylinder". Damn, that made me and my E46 feel old as hell.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 I actually smiled when he said about old school turbo))
This car is what every (modern) BMW should be....
Pause the video at 3:21…
We aren’t complaining about the fenders, we are complaining about the front end and the rear end. Side profile is decent.
Hey Doug! Love your reviews. Just wanted to point out at 10:20
the door panel lights actually flash red when the door is open to alert other cars coming from behind in traffic. So there is a bit of functionality built in!
“Beaver tooth grill”🤣 Can’t unsee it now
After driving both the 230 and 240 models. I was excited for this little car. The new 2 series chassis is a lot of fun to drive. With or without the M badges. If someone wants and needs a fun car that can also be a GT. These new 2 series models will not disappoint.
I personally think it's more power than it needs but whatever.
3900lbs, thing is a pig
Basically 100 lbs heavier than an audi A6 .
Its not as long as one my mistake but still HUGE
I just bought a Brooklyn gray 2023 230i and I love it! Super fun to drive and the interior/exterior looks incredible. I’m averaging 30+ MPGs too.
I tested 230i several times I wouldn’t get that power train
7:30 not exactly. Toss all of the screens and the body control modules, bring back port injection and better timing chain guides... what's that you say? just buy and older m3? will do 👍🏻
Never seen anyone convince himself so fast to buy an M3. 10/10
FYI the badge is the 50th anniversary emblem. 50th Jahre. And meant for only cars built in the year 2022 were able to get it, but seems maybe it’s still avail. Our two i4’s got them as they were both built in the year 2022, even though mine was 9/22 for build date so was 2023 model.
I just hope this brings the prices for the last generation m2 competitions back to earth, those are the REAL winners
I'll be honest this thing looks like a scion lmao
The weight ruins it for me. It's approaching M4 territory when i think the two products should provide very different experiences. It should be small, light and raw. But that's just me. They'll probably still sell a ton
Have you driven the M2? You seem like you’re posting in a way that you’ve compared the M4 and M2 by driving both of them back to back.
Is this true? Or is this benchmark internet speak?
I hope they sell A ton so I can get one that doesn't run in 10-20 years for cheap
As an Alpine a110 buyer I agree this thing is a whole 1500lbs- 700kg more than my car LOL
0:19 front looks like someone put an iPhone case over an m2
Flared fenders are AWESOME!
Your comment about the clutch hook is 100% accurate. My E46 M3 was the same way- easy to figure out but much different than every other manufacturer. Pretty heavy clutch too but I actually like that
Clutch delay value..pop that bad boy out...
When you said that people didn't like the looks of this car, I was confused. There's nothing to dislike about this design.
Not sure I like the new front end but the rest is great. Mind you beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Let's see how consumers take to it
I adore this car, I think it looks absolutely amazing. And you can not beat a 2 door, rwd, turbo 6 manual. If I had the funds to buy a luxury performance car this is what I would buy today.
well said
The grille and the wide fenders aren't the issue. The last M2 was a genuinely gorgeous car and this is a pretty sharp step down.
it’s also so heavy! Nearly 4000 pounds
If I could afford it, Id go out and get one. Im not even a beemer guy, but I appreciate what they've done with this. An I6, manual, RWD coupe, with some classic beemer styling queues..Theres alot to like.
A "Beemer" is a motorcycle 🤫 But yeah, where I live it's almost double the price of the US price and we still want it here! Although BMW's manuals aren't really the best in business while the ZF is arguably the best automatic alongside the PDK.
If you want speed and handling there are better ways to spend your money, in the US anyways.
Doug is saying EXACTLY what ive been saying about the new m2 for months now. It looks like those amazing classic older bmws that are the real staple of their racing brand.
Ngl... can just tell from the design this is going to be some sort of collectors car later down the road.
I also like the styling, it has an 80's vibe and I'm here for it. Even though I just bought a manual Supra.
You chose wisely.
I think this car will become a cult classic. This is as close to an e46 m3 successor you are gonna get
Heavier and less powerful than a outgoing Mustang GT for like double the price.
The problem is the weight! The previous M2 comp was 3225 and this one is 3800 lbs??!
I think this is really one of the last true enthusiast’s car. I really loved the old M2. I will concede that the new one looks a little off in proportions but I kinda like it. The grill is not so pretty I have no idea what was wrong with the old one, but anything is better than the M4 beaver tooth grill!
People continue to say "last of enthusiast cars" but companies keep making them.
Aren't you tired of being proven wrong time and time again?
@CarlRencer "No we must play the victim and pretend that we are being persecuted by the dEeP StaTE, and, uh, Hillary Clinton's DNC hack! Crooked Hillary!"
I've got an F87 M2 (the N55 engined one) and I absolutely love it.
I love the front grill. Overall like the car a lot actually.
Doug, the last thing I would expect anyone to complain about is the fender flares. Any car enthusiast loves that stuff. I have no idea what you talking about. Maybe the real problem is the front of the car. Previous M2 was a beauty all around.
I like it. I had a Triumph TR-6 car with an inline 6. It sounded great, wouldn't pass emissions, caused me untold pain and I loved it. This could be that. I agree with Doug. This is what we want.
This is SO far from your triumph. I'd say only similarities are two doors, straight six and rwd
This probably weighs nearly 2x, and has been tuned to leave the driver disconnected from both steering and shifter 😢
I bought a 23 230i, basically to stay out of jail. The ZF automatic is a dream. Great freeway cruiser and a sled in the twisties. Never been happier with a purchase except for my 97 Defender.
Idk what the problem is, it's a cool squared off boxy sports coupe? I personally think it's looks great. It's got a bit of retro styling to it which is great considering we're in the egg era of cars.
The rear vertical section is hilarious to me cause I drive a tC and it has those too lmao
Yeah, i dont love it, but it aint bad either. Old m2/m4/m6 used to be way more similiar only difference was the size. Now M2 is completily different to M4 or an M8 and it feels like a different aim. It just fills way more market nieches and that is something I can go ahead with.
@@Omgiamsotriggered tbf I'm not the biggest beamer fan but out of all of them as of right now, I'd definitely be happy with this iteration of the M2.
Plus I also love niche cars.
Me and Doug were on the same page, we're car purists so we know what we were looking at when we first saw this car. At first I saw the E30 M3 reincarnation, now that he mentioned the dimensions, now I see a little E46 in there. Gotta see one in person now.
I like it. Never really hated it as such, but after seeing multiple reviews and actual photos, I can honestly say I think it's pretty cool. Definitely looks better than the "normal" 2-series.
Excellent looking car, even before it came out I loved the styling of it. Like a mini muscle car.
Yeah, too many people are biased on how the cool looked versus it’s older companion. It looks great as a car, and I would appreciate it since brand new sports cars are getting rarer and rarer, as more SUV’s take over.
Everyone: Headlights look stupid and the back is ugly like Sid from Ice Age
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Doug: why do people hate wide fenders!?
Had two E46 M3 (one was a convertible) and I agree that this M2 is awesome. First M I would consider since the E46.
wouldn’t consider the last gen m2?
Why don’t car companies have a sort of 4wd setup. Awd normally but you can transfer power to only the rear drivetrain ?
For me this car is beautiful!!!! Especially with the heritage livery and that little wing it's gonna look amazing 😍
Doug needs to push these cars harder
Who the hell could possibly hate those wide fenders??? It's one of the main things that set the M2 apart from an ordinary 2 series.
You need to drive the 2023 Supra with the manual now. It would go further up on the list. Plus it’s flare finders look the best.
We all like those fenders, I like the boxy bumpers as well but the fascia of the car (front and rear) is just off. It doesn't remind me anything about BMW and the kidney grill looks like it was an afterthought.
Totally agree that BMW put all the right components into this G87; although, I went with the auto as it performs better than the manual. I sold my 2020 M2 Comp and purchasing a 2024 M2. Initially I didn't like the new G87 design either; however, it really grew on me, especially in the Brooklyn Grey with black wheels which I'm getting. BTW, my car has the standard BMW logo.
As a guy who loves 240s, and 2nd gen scion tcs, I love how the M2 looks lol
I think this car is perfect looking, and I'm in my 30s and haven't liked BMW since I was a kid. I've still always been hesitant to own anything european but I like these so much I keep being tempted
Please tell me why you took down the M2 Comp video!? I used to watch it obsessively!
My only beef is that they should take the Audi TT route and remove that second screen completely on cars like these. You could implement everything on that one screen and then the center would nicer looking thing.
What is the Doug Score on the bug that flew past the camera? 😂
The front end Doug. That's the part that haunts my dreams.
Anyone reading this just go to r44 performance page and look at their bagged m2 .. one of their latest vids. The color, the rims, and some other small changes completely transforms this car. With tasteful stuff done it truly looks amazing and like a mini muscle car
Doug this time you're wrong, stylish could be objective. Mercedes 300 sl 1957 is beautiful, Fiat Multipla is ugly. That's it. And no matter what siome people say but this car IS UGLY. Stop. Don't mean to be rude
This M2 looks like it came out of a low graphics car game.
If Lexus put fender flares Doug would say it's cliche
Doug is like the rotten tomatoes critic of the car world
“People are mad about the fenders” no people don’t like the entire ugly front end
I’m thankful that BMW got rid of that humongous grill, but I think that they look just a little bit better now with that small grill. The older BMW cars look amazing still.
I think overall styling with dark colours, the straight 6 engine, the manual transmission, the interior with sport seats and the exhaust sound are great, but like many people i also didn’t like the rear lights and that exclamation point thing on the rear bumper.
The carbon crotch piece in the seat is removable for a 6 point harness
The only one who complained was themselves to draw attention to the flared arches, which are nice.
looks like beginning of 2000s when people starter moding their exterior with macroflex and some fiber :D real NFS looking car.
The stock 2023 M2 was put on a dyno and had a true crank output of 547 hp and 486 lb-ft of torque-a whole lot more than what BMW claims.
At least the grille isnt gigantic like other BMWs. This is probably the best looking BMW right now.
I saw this car 🚙 recently and it looks really good in person 😊 the owner works at a dealership and modified it to the max lower it and a lot more it’s awesome 👏 and I don’t like bmw really I am an Audi fan 😊
Enthusiasts don't complain about the flared fenders. In fact M cars have always had bulgy fenders. They complain it now heavier than a Mustang or some mid-sized SUVs.
The taillights headlights and bulky angular front bumper is what kills it for me
Still in love with the first m2 2016-17 long beach blue with overboost
I think aftermarket hood, front and rear fenders will do right by this M car
This m2 checks all my boxes. To me it lookis like an e30 m3 and an r34 had a baby. I love the body styling and the performance per dollar is excellent. I hope I can nab one someday
Wish it had analog gauges. Gonna buy a 1M coupe I think instead. If this had dials and needles it would be pretty much there IMO.
This blue is perfect, really made the car for me, and the manual helped too 😅
I wouldn't say the I drive knob is redundant...it has a pursose....its hard to drive and use a touch screen ...thats what the knob is for buddy
its the fact that when you get an auto, the shifter trim is piano black. but manual? matte black plastic
I wanted a new Dark Horse but after seeing the 2025 prices of the Mustangs I think the M2 is the better deal. Base model gets leather, way nicer interior, it’s faster, better mpg, bigger back seat and trunk.
I hope BMW still makes manuals by the time I can afford an M2
That’s Purdy!! I’m jaded with BMW tho…
Had problems with my 328 but this I’d consider going back lol
The 2 shirts kills me every time. I love Doug.
Haven't heard nobody complain about the fenders, which I like very much. The complains I heard about the looks are mainly about the front, which is too squared and looks like a lego replica of a car. And, frankly, I agree. The package is superb, no doubt. But to be ready to spend at least 60k on a BMW coupé I want it to be breathtakingly beautiful, not "ok".
Really interesting point at 21:00... I too have noticed a difference between say, 300Hp derived from a 6Cyl and the 300Hp from a smaller engine with a dozen turbos strapped-on. The numbers may match but the drive is very different. Merc are going to suffer with the 2.0L powertrains as the basis for their high-performancee cars.