The fact that that car with rwd on snow is 5 seconds faster from 0 to 60 than my car is on a dry road really made me realize that I have to buy a new car
I am no expert but I'd try to not start with full gas on snow. Once tires start slipping they actually grip much less than when not slipping, that applies to any surface. That's why starting in 2nd gear is recommended in snowy conditions to lessen torque and decerease likelihood of tires starting to slip
@@emmanuelmijares9731 it's not so much the coefficient of friction. Spinning tires melt the snow and create an even slippier surface, reducing your grip.
Great comparison video. So many people say RWD is perfectly good in snow with winter tires... and it "can be" depending on the circumstances, but this really shows how superior AWD is overall. And once you mod the G8X platform, the first two gears become worthless unless it's 100 degrees out with sticky tires and you roll into the throttle.
we already made this test on snow on december 21, tree years ago. So check in our channel and look for the test trive of this M3 ;-) ruclips.net/video/4ly37bhUjV4/видео.html
I once had a dance off with a BMW in a snowy parking lot, and it was so cool seeing FWD 4WD vs. RWD 4WD. I did out do the BMW on one trick (drive forward, slam the brakes, lock the wheels, put into R and full throttle before hitting the wall), and he tried it but didn't work as well. Now I have a M240i know why, you can't go into R from Manual mode :(
i had a bmw 320i limited edition back in 2006. It was absolutly terrible in winter conditions. But since winter is like 4 months per year where i live i had to do something about it. I went with studded winter tyres and that made it livable. Far from good but at least I was not tottally stuck in snow. My parents have a mazda SUV with studded winter tyres and AWD...they never get stuck in any conditions.
On my F30 xDrive the traction mode also chances the launching in the snow completely. So I feel like it's not exactly a comprehensive comparison, it's not only the number of wheels that's important. I do love those 4wd donuts though - I remember how ecstatic I was when I learned the car can practically lock itself in the perpetual rotation around its own center axis! Awesome feeling!
2wd is good enough 9 out of 10 times and it more fun to drift imo. 4wd is only for the practical needs. I have driven only rwd for 18 years now here in norway with zero problems. its more about the driver than anything. a little momentum and u get up almost anywhere you need.
100% agree. I am now with my rwd M140i in Lapland in Finland and I am really surprised how capable it is. I haven’t been stuck once and there is a lot of snow here. I run Hankook Icept 3 winter tyres and have a LSD.
Cool test! The incremental gain is way bigger than what other journalists lead us to believe! I’ll not be pulling the trigger on that i4 e40 and keep my 440 x drive. Thanks!
So i went to change my summer tires today for winter ones in Tallinn and i'm driving a RWD Lexus GS. The next car will be ONLY AWD. I've had just about enough of wheel spin. Everyone is off the line and here i am, waiting for the wheel spin to be over. Great video !
Michelin Pilot Alpin tires are not designed for such weather, try some arctic tyres like GoodYear ultragrip ice 2, noakian r5, continental Viking contact. They will be drivable with RWD
A friend of mine owned for a short while a 250hp AWD Mazda 323 and demonstrated what AWD can do by driving up a steep hill with 0,5m of snow on. The snow was soft and it was so much of it that the snow came over the hood. He stopped in the middle if the steep hill, stood there and did a hill start with the snow coming over the hood. I would not even had been able to get 20cm into that hill with snow with a FWD car or RWD car for that matter... That car was insane, he also demonstrated on slippery ice and snow covered road passing a car going from 80km/h to 180km/h passing it sideways with all 4 wheels spinning in no time.
@@mikaelvellmun7228 The Alpin 5 has much smaller treads than most "normal" winter tires, so it's probably more performant on dry pavement but not on snow, ice and slush Personally I have some Continental Vikingcontact 7 and they are amazing winter tires
I have an M550i with X-Drive and have never got stuck in snow. I didn't know I could switch from 2 to 4. Is X-Drive the same as 4 wheel drive? Very good video, thanks.
Those tires must suck. I drove in the same amount of snow in my Michelin Pilot sport all season 4’s and they seemed just as good if not better. I also have an M3C Xdrive
For the purist it’s the ultimate in handling. The RWD car can be made to oversteer, understeer and drift easily. The balance in dry weather is pretty much perfect. Steering is generally better because it has more feel, 4WD creates a bit of tension in the steering that’s not present in RWD cars. In real life for car with this much power 4WD is the better, more useable, option. It’s fantastic playing around with a RWD car on a track destroying someone else’s tyres if you get the chance!
Looks like fun! I have driven RWD cars in light to moderate snow with winter tires for many years (E46 M3-> 1st gen Cadillac CTS-V-> E90 M3). Works OK much of the time but it's not ideal. I just moved to a '24 G80 M3 X-drive myself and decided not to get winter wheels and tires (est. $5000) and to drive it only when the streets are salt free. While I'm sure it would perform quite well as you've demonstrated, I have another winter vehicle that I'm more comfortable subjecting to the harsh conditions. I just want to point out that driving this car in 2WD mode for comparison doesn't necessarily equate to driving an M3-competition non-X-drive unless you are particularly careful about the traction and stability control settings which may need to be off or partially off to put it in that mode and then may compromise snow performance compared with other RWD cars.
Thanks for the comment. Nice move you made :) And you are right about the 2WD. I can't enable traction control in that mode. It's not a 100% fair comparison, but seemed like a fun video to make. I always wonder why don't people just buy the winter tires and swap them on your wheels? Been doing that for all my cars. Costs like $50-60 to swap all 4.
I've always had dedicated winter wheels + tires which I've swapped myself 12/1 and 4/1 each season (usually in a square setup 1" smaller than stock rims). For my past vehicles I've found that winter tires were not available for stock rims so there wasn't an option to just change the tires. Also, I've been told that mounting/unmounting isn't good for the tires when done repeatedly and they may scratch your rims each time they do it. I'm impressed you can get it done for that price. I've been charged $30 for each when I mount new tires. @@thebimmerbros
All wheel drive, not 4 wheel drive. Big difference and it's important that people don't confuse the two. I see it confused the most in the UK where actual 4 wheel drive vehicles must be a rarity (other than Land Rovers, I guess.) Maybe the Brits don't do much off-roading? Because the difference is profound once the terrain gets rough.
4WD is only necessary for off-roading or pulling very heavy charges In the snow, AWD with actual winter tires is good enough to get you out of any situation. I live in the snowiest part of Canada by the way. Here we get between 4,5 and 6 meters of snow each year
How do you like those Alpin 5? I can't decide between Michelin X-Ice Snow and Michelin Alpin 5 for my 2024 X3M. I downsized from 21 OEM wheels and bought a set of OEM X5 wheels 20x9 to fit my winter tires.
If you live in a place that gets as much snow as in this video, don't get the Alpin 5. They have very small treads so while they might be more performant on dry pavement, they won't be performant on snow, ice and slush The X-Ice snow, some Continental Vikingcontact, the Bridgestone Blizzak or Nokian Hakkapeliitta are the best options for winter driving
New M models has changed the range , they are more capable able can do lots of things . Go on track days , drift around , do winter hillclimbs , change to 2WD or 4WD use it in winter they are crazy . new M3 Touring is also incredible saloon model doesn't have any difference while driving . comparing to G80 . M'2 G87 is also very fun in steering/size factors. Gxx Are pretty much all rounders......
I guess when the car is in RWD mode the traction control action is intentionally diminished to make the car sportier. That’s the reason why BMW would put a RWD option in a AWD car, so it gets easier for you to do things like drifting. That’s why the performance in snow is so worse with RWD mode. If you want the best traction possible go for AWD.
wow, there is fire, but next time do a test when the snow is not dry like it was, this time do a test when the snow and ice start to melt. It's easy on dry snow and ice.
@@minigiant8998 i know, but i like the pre LCI more. I already had a hard time getting to like the big screen instead of the regular tachometer and idrive screen.
Congrats :) I have the valvetronic equal lenght midpipe installed. It removed 2 cats and OPF. I daily drive this, so it can't be too crazy loud for me. No drones or annoying noises on the highway, but amazing sound on the sportiest setting.
key factor when drive RWD on snow is to have full fuel tank... yours is empty!!!!! tht is 50kg less on rear wheels... thats why you have poor start and grip.
The G80 represents an impressive generation of the M3, which I hold in high regard; however, I find the absence of a manual transmission to be somewhat disappointing.
The fact that that car with rwd on snow is 5 seconds faster from 0 to 60 than my car is on a dry road really made me realize that I have to buy a new car
It’s km/h Not mph
@@donkosaki it goes to 100km/h, pretty much 62Mph
@@donkosaki0 - 60 Miles is 0 - 100 km 😂
LMFAO!
@@pedroKwiecinski yeah but the speedometer is in km/h. So he thought that 0-60 is in mph but actually it’s it km/h. So 0-60kmh (0-37mph)
damn, the difference between 2 and 4wd is way bigger than expected.
great video
In snow is like day and night, but in great conditions is not that different.
because there is little weight on the back wheels I think
Hes giving it full throttle without tc of course its not going to grip.
4wd is really good, but tires make bigger difference.
@@IV-ABut has good tires and 2WD is comparatively terrible
biggset thing to remember is 4wd doesn't break you faster, so get better tires.
3:13 how beautiful snow flew off the wheels
yeh prob damaged the rubbers on the linkages
I am no expert but I'd try to not start with full gas on snow. Once tires start slipping they actually grip much less than when not slipping, that applies to any surface. That's why starting in 2nd gear is recommended in snowy conditions to lessen torque and decerease likelihood of tires starting to slip
Seriously lol, the guy in the video just floors it and wonders why 2WD doesn't get any traction...
I think you accidentally discovered the coefficient of friction 😂
@@anno1602regardless it underperforms AWD lol but it’s not like 0
@@emmanuelmijares9731 it's not so much the coefficient of friction. Spinning tires melt the snow and create an even slippier surface, reducing your grip.
Unless it's a Subaru. I love BMWs, but no one has come close to matching the traction under any conditions than Subaru.
Your using waaay to much throttle for it to be a good comparison. Cool to watch you drive in the snow non the less.
i love how bentley driver watched when u perfectly sliding
Bentley Schmentley
So cool they finally developed a 100% switchable system.
This is nothing new. They’ve been having this system on American trucks for awhile now
Mercedes has it too in the 4matic system
@@Glocktavius_the3rd not the same
Audi has had this since the 90’s
@@YoungSaiyanMan Audi can't make 100% of the power go to the rears in quattro
The G80 M3 can do subzero temperatures as well. I drive my 2 WD G80 a couple weeks ago in temperatures of -38C with no problem at all.
Why would you ever spin your wheels and rev so hard in the snow anyway? At least drive normally if you want to do a test.
Exactly this..... Result would be so much better if throttle control was good.
Breaking news: 4wd bests 2wd in snow!
Jokes aside, cool comparisons.
Where was the jokes?
@@alnilam8048 Sir, I was making a joke.
@@alnilam8048 where is the news, that 4wd is better than 2wd in snow or slippy ground ?
4wd gets you to the scene of your accident faster in bad conditions 🤣
Breaking news turning traction control off on a 500 hp vehicle isn't going to drive very well in the snow...
That is a beautiful color. Looks awesome in the snow!
Awesome vid 😀
Thumbs up for the effort of the cameraman!
One of his low paid employes - or why do you think he's got fingers like a piano player?
This is truly stunning ! You very rarely see tests like this.Perfect 👌
Great comparison video. So many people say RWD is perfectly good in snow with winter tires... and it "can be" depending on the circumstances, but this really shows how superior AWD is overall. And once you mod the G8X platform, the first two gears become worthless unless it's 100 degrees out with sticky tires and you roll into the throttle.
Man, def one of the best video out there for Gx platforms lol
That’s an unusual technique to take off in snow. Floor it and wonder why you aren’t moving?
Finally someone tested this. Always wondered 🔥
we already made this test on snow on december 21, tree years ago. So check in our channel and look for the test trive of this M3 ;-) ruclips.net/video/4ly37bhUjV4/видео.html
I once had a dance off with a BMW in a snowy parking lot, and it was so cool seeing FWD 4WD vs. RWD 4WD.
I did out do the BMW on one trick (drive forward, slam the brakes, lock the wheels, put into R and full throttle before hitting the wall), and he tried it but didn't work as well.
Now I have a M240i know why, you can't go into R from Manual mode :(
i had a bmw 320i limited edition back in 2006. It was absolutly terrible in winter conditions. But since winter is like 4 months per year where i live i had to do something about it. I went with studded winter tyres and that made it livable. Far from good but at least I was not tottally stuck in snow. My parents have a mazda SUV with studded winter tyres and AWD...they never get stuck in any conditions.
On my F30 xDrive the traction mode also chances the launching in the snow completely. So I feel like it's not exactly a comprehensive comparison, it's not only the number of wheels that's important.
I do love those 4wd donuts though - I remember how ecstatic I was when I learned the car can practically lock itself in the perpetual rotation around its own center axis! Awesome feeling!
2wd is good enough 9 out of 10 times and it more fun to drift imo. 4wd is only for the practical needs. I have driven only rwd for 18 years now here in norway with zero problems. its more about the driver than anything. a little momentum and u get up almost anywhere you need.
100% agree. I am now with my rwd M140i in Lapland in Finland and I am really surprised how capable it is. I haven’t been stuck once and there is a lot of snow here. I run Hankook Icept 3 winter tyres and have a LSD.
@@jessecrwn sounds like a lot of fun👌🏻
well the m3 xdrive can be RWD or AWD. best of both worlds.
@@minigiant8998 yes definitely!
i was in puerto rico last week and saw the most beautiful IOMG m3... really sparkled in the sunshine!
Cool test! The incremental gain is way bigger than what other journalists lead us to believe! I’ll not be pulling the trigger on that i4 e40 and keep my 440 x drive. Thanks!
I have one of these. Although I hope to never be in this situation, I'm glad it can handle it if necessary.
So i went to change my summer tires today for winter ones in Tallinn and i'm driving a RWD Lexus GS. The next car will be ONLY AWD. I've had just about enough of wheel spin. Everyone is off the line and here i am, waiting for the wheel spin to be over. Great video !
Michelin Pilot Alpin tires are not designed for such weather, try some arctic tyres like GoodYear ultragrip ice 2, noakian r5, continental Viking contact. They will be drivable with RWD
A friend of mine owned for a short while a 250hp AWD Mazda 323 and demonstrated what AWD can do by driving up a steep hill with 0,5m of snow on. The snow was soft and it was so much of it that the snow came over the hood. He stopped in the middle if the steep hill, stood there and did a hill start with the snow coming over the hood. I would not even had been able to get 20cm into that hill with snow with a FWD car or RWD car for that matter... That car was insane, he also demonstrated on slippery ice and snow covered road passing a car going from 80km/h to 180km/h passing it sideways with all 4 wheels spinning in no time.
Nice! And that's the reason why people should get a brand-new BMW instead of getting used and then complain about its reliability
Visit Sweden in the winter and learn from 15 years old children how to drive a rear wheel drive car on snow. 😂
Great video! Please do another one this winter, but try heavy braking and braking in general from 100-0km/h, etc!
As michelin x-ice snow user the alpine 5 is horrible tyre in snow and ice
Disagree def not horrible in snow. Far better than all seasons and all weather tires. Way better on dry and slush compared to x ice
@@mikaelvellmun7228 The Alpin 5 has much smaller treads than most "normal" winter tires, so it's probably more performant on dry pavement but not on snow, ice and slush
Personally I have some Continental Vikingcontact 7 and they are amazing winter tires
Сравнительный тест хороший, но резина не подходит для такого количества снега, она больше для европейских зим
Pilot Alpin 5 ju lääne euroopa lamell, mis meie talves paras prügi. Miks päris talverehve ei kasuta?
Väidetavalt sellises suuruses naelrehve pole.
Where are the money from ?
middle of nowhere: m3 g80 doing donuts and Bentley casually drives by
I have an M550i with X-Drive and have never got stuck in snow. I didn't know I could switch from 2 to 4. Is X-Drive the same as 4 wheel drive? Very good video, thanks.
Those tires must suck. I drove in the same amount of snow in my Michelin Pilot sport all season 4’s and they seemed just as good if not better. I also have an M3C Xdrive
I'm guessing you were not flooring it all the way as he does
There was no different color 2wd to distinguish the car?
I Love my Subaru.
I noticed with dsc off in snow, my bmw grips harder… i was new to bmw x drive, i had a honda accord before lol
Nice car, congrats on making your dreams come true!
So, what’s the advantage of 2WD in the back with a front engine? Especially the advantage over 4WD? Why did they do this?
For the purist it’s the ultimate in handling. The RWD car can be made to oversteer, understeer and drift easily. The balance in dry weather is pretty much perfect. Steering is generally better because it has more feel, 4WD creates a bit of tension in the steering that’s not present in RWD cars.
In real life for car with this much power 4WD is the better, more useable, option. It’s fantastic playing around with a RWD car on a track destroying someone else’s tyres if you get the chance!
Looks like fun! I have driven RWD cars in light to moderate snow with winter tires for many years (E46 M3-> 1st gen Cadillac CTS-V-> E90 M3). Works OK much of the time but it's not ideal. I just moved to a '24 G80 M3 X-drive myself and decided not to get winter wheels and tires (est. $5000) and to drive it only when the streets are salt free. While I'm sure it would perform quite well as you've demonstrated, I have another winter vehicle that I'm more comfortable subjecting to the harsh conditions. I just want to point out that driving this car in 2WD mode for comparison doesn't necessarily equate to driving an M3-competition non-X-drive unless you are particularly careful about the traction and stability control settings which may need to be off or partially off to put it in that mode and then may compromise snow performance compared with other RWD cars.
Thanks for the comment. Nice move you made :) And you are right about the 2WD. I can't enable traction control in that mode. It's not a 100% fair comparison, but seemed like a fun video to make.
I always wonder why don't people just buy the winter tires and swap them on your wheels? Been doing that for all my cars. Costs like $50-60 to swap all 4.
I've always had dedicated winter wheels + tires which I've swapped myself 12/1 and 4/1 each season (usually in a square setup 1" smaller than stock rims). For my past vehicles I've found that winter tires were not available for stock rims so there wasn't an option to just change the tires. Also, I've been told that mounting/unmounting isn't good for the tires when done repeatedly and they may scratch your rims each time they do it. I'm impressed you can get it done for that price. I've been charged $30 for each when I mount new tires. @@thebimmerbros
the sound is crazy
I’m waiting for the little m2 xdrive… did you have any issues with the xdrive clutches?
You would be amazed what only 100lbs of sandbags in the trunk does for your snow grip. Try that and test it for us.
I'm a BMW fan... a what's the difference between the xdrive and AWD? or is there?
Were you running traction control completely off in 4WD?
Based off the cluster lights, it says stability control is disabled.
Good to know that ground clearance is good on BMW M cars, which makes them useable in Winter (unlike Toyota Supra, and by extension I assume BMW Z4)
You need better tires and be easier on the gas pedal.
All wheel drive, not 4 wheel drive. Big difference and it's important that people don't confuse the two. I see it confused the most in the UK where actual 4 wheel drive vehicles must be a rarity (other than Land Rovers, I guess.) Maybe the Brits don't do much off-roading? Because the difference is profound once the terrain gets rough.
4WD is only necessary for off-roading or pulling very heavy charges
In the snow, AWD with actual winter tires is good enough to get you out of any situation.
I live in the snowiest part of Canada by the way. Here we get between 4,5 and 6 meters of snow each year
A mechanic told me XDrive have problems. Have you had any?
Cool. The real wheel drive BMW M3 has a 4wd as if it is a pick up truck. I never thought that would be in a sedan.
Are we really doing this with traction control off on a 500 hp vehicle?
This is the only reason I’d want and automatic m3… although I think they need a manual xdrive
Its a no brainer togo Awd basically. M3 competition awd ftw.. they dont make awd manuals do they
Man I hope you let the engine warm up before that 😂
Great video and demonstrates the difference quite well. Thank you!
I did, don't worry :D
👍cool Video
BMW M Forever!
Ugh BMW colors are so 🔥 🔥
Is there a way to turn off pops and crackle sounds on the exhaust?
0-100 2wd in full snow road and 4wd in cleaned road?
Sounds good. What exhaust setup?
Since it's Estonia i assume studded tires?
What a beautiful video!
How do you like those Alpin 5? I can't decide between Michelin X-Ice Snow and Michelin Alpin 5 for my 2024 X3M. I downsized from 21 OEM wheels and bought a set of OEM X5 wheels 20x9 to fit my winter tires.
If you live in a place that gets as much snow as in this video, don't get the Alpin 5. They have very small treads so while they might be more performant on dry pavement, they won't be performant on snow, ice and slush
The X-Ice snow, some Continental Vikingcontact, the Bridgestone Blizzak or Nokian Hakkapeliitta are the best options for winter driving
would you take this or your F87 on a snowy day? But not this snowy, more like the day in the F87 video from 2 weeks ago
Enjoyed watching this
Doing this with a BMW in the winter is my dream since I was child. Hope I achieve it one day! :)
and 4wd sport?
Great vid! Buuuuuut, let's not pass by that very nice Bentley CGT passing by :)
the underside of that car will be damaged from the donuts in the snow. just having snow tyres on can make a different without need for 4wd
I havdthe G42 in Xdrive and it's a must in our winter.
Try when is ESP on
broo that looks sooo nice
You need studded nordic winter tires.
1). Thank you for doing this, I know it can, if it had to do snow. 2). Reminding me never to buy a used performance car.
Why didnt you try going slow 3:14
Amazing video! Can you do something similar with 4WD sport?
Hey man, what tire sizes you run on the winter tires?
New M models has changed the range , they are more capable able can do lots of things . Go on track days , drift around , do winter hillclimbs , change to 2WD or 4WD use it in winter they are crazy . new M3 Touring is also incredible saloon model doesn't have any difference while driving . comparing to G80 . M'2 G87 is also very fun in steering/size factors. Gxx Are pretty much all rounders......
Have you tried the Wagon version? do you like it?
Now try a 911 c2 in same conditions ; pretty sure it’ll match or beat the BMW’s AWD time.
Mammutis keegi päeval mölisema ei tulnud? :D
I guess when the car is in RWD mode the traction control action is intentionally diminished to make the car sportier. That’s the reason why BMW would put a RWD option in a AWD car, so it gets easier for you to do things like drifting. That’s why the performance in snow is so worse with RWD mode. If you want the best traction possible go for AWD.
wow, there is fire, but next time do a test when the snow is not dry like it was, this time do a test when the snow and ice start to melt. It's easy on dry snow and ice.
Its good, but on uphill it seems still struggling a little bit even on 4wd. The quattro it seems still better on a snow conditions in my opinion.
Grip comes from tyres not drive systems. You discover that, when going back down the hill.
did you try 4WD sport?
stock exhaust? I just ordered my m3 last week. What Exhaust do you recommend?
the m3 LCI comes out in july lol
@@minigiant8998 i know, but i like the pre LCI more.
I already had a hard time getting to like the big screen instead of the regular tachometer and idrive screen.
Congrats :) I have the valvetronic equal lenght midpipe installed. It removed 2 cats and OPF. I daily drive this, so it can't be too crazy loud for me. No drones or annoying noises on the highway, but amazing sound on the sportiest setting.
key factor when drive RWD on snow is to have full fuel tank... yours is empty!!!!! tht is 50kg less on rear wheels... thats why you have poor start and grip.
How can 2WD be faster on 0 - 100 than 4WD in snowy conditions?🤔
Snow tyres?
Dude, try to very soft press on accelerate. You will impressed.
No match for the lancer evolution when its AWD
can I please ask what the colour is
It's called Isle of Man Green Metallic
The G80 represents an impressive generation of the M3, which I hold in high regard; however, I find the absence of a manual transmission to be somewhat disappointing.
I don’t know why anyone would buy the new M3 without AWD. It’s worth the money and help hold its resale value.
b/c the stick shift only comes in RWD.
This is expected without any suprise. But the one who get the 2wd is just for the fun side.
Not exactly a surprising result, but it was impressive!
4:15 gray trough blocked the view
you are very smooth on the gas heheh