@@wojteksinkiewicz6153 The all wheel drive system in any A3, S3 or RS3 is a Haldex system and not the same as the Quattro system in most of Audi's other cars. While the new system has some tricks up its' sleeves it still based on a front wheel drive biased known as Haldex.
@@henzo7087bro how much old are you 10 ? you don’t have even driver license lmao you don’t know nothing, and you comment everywhere even at carwow comments like ,,VW shit”
The Gripmax has better snow grip than the PA5 lol. And power doesn't matter, grip is the limiting factor. This test shows the limitations of the torque splitter AWD system very well.
Or M1 (F40 gen, not F20) vs RS3. RS3 has traverse engine position, is based on FWD with Haldex connecting rear wheels. Would be a more apples to apples comparison (+ofc same tires).
The rs3 is a fwd based quattro hadlex system 60 front 40 rear... and not equal take a rs4 quattro with the same tyres for a true comparaison with the m3 x drive....
Not the sam tires and didn’t switch lanes for the re-run. Very nice. Not a huge audi fan but there a thumb down from me for not beeing honest with the test
You need to ensure both cars have identical brand new tires. The test should be done with traction control on then off. And you need to run each car in both lanes.
This is more of a tire test, the drives +- work equally, power does not play a role here. It is probably worth changing lanes in the races, for more accurate measurements. Yes, I see it has already been written) in Estonia it is snowy in winter, beautiful, almost like Russia in the north-west.
If anyone expected the RS3 to win, you're cray cray. There's no need to complain about weight, tires, power or anything. Just the name of the channel should have told you who would win and why it's a 400ps RS3 vs 510ps M3 Comp xdrive.
Because of it had over 400hp, it would probably be quicker than the RS4 and with the torque splitter diff, a better driver's car than the RS4. Can't have a lower model being better than the model above. Otherwise, they could have easily gotten 450hp from the RS3 without much effort.
Why the M3 won: Horsepower is not the reason. HP is basically useless with no grip. The M3 weights 200kg more, having more friction/grip on the road. F(f) = m x g x u (friction coefficient)
bro rs3 doesnt use torsen or crown gear quattro its torque splitter bullshit quattro or if its older models its haldex so at least get a ""real quattro"" because even a4 a5 a6 quattro ultra whic is not a real quattro only models with 3 liter or bigger engines get the real quattro so get an s4 or rs4 see the difrence
On a RS3 8Y they changed from haldex to a true torque vectoring rear differential. It’s not fully mechanical, but the rear differential now has 2 clutch packs, one for each wheel that can control how much torque can go to each wheel. It uses true torque vectoring vs using the abs system and is suppose to allow much more control and potential to oversteer. It allows controlled drifts also (drift mode available, sending majority of power to rear). Take some aggressive turns in a parking lot, then you’ll see the difference.
Not comparing apples to apples, as M3 is considerably more expensive than an RS3. I guess you didn't want the BMW to look bad. Put it up against an RS4 or RS5, then we'll see what's what.
They know the real results on many daily cars which are none M and RS cars audis are faster ...imagine celebrating M5 with less weight and 25hp more over a 600hp Rs6...
Dieser Audi hat kein Quattrosystem. Die Bezeichnung fehlt hinten wie vorne am Audi. Und in der Beschreibung im Video wird es auch ersichtlich das hier kein Quattro vorhanden ist.
You compare cheaper car with no real quattro with trash tyres. Take rs4 with torsen and same tyres and you will see real differences. I love BMW same as audi, but that was just unfair. RS3 got haldex. Torsen will surely win it, just because audi got more experience in 4wheel. Haldex is good for common roads and summer starts cuz after start you drive only front wheels(easy explained) and have no loss for transmitting power to rear wheels
Nope. xDrive is the equivalent of quattro ultra which the RS3 doesn't have. The RS3 uses a Haldex based system. In bigger Audis from A4 and Q5 which use an Audi based platform they use Quattro Ultra which is made by the same company that makes the xDrive, Magna Powertrain so it's the same. The Quattro which made Audi known in the motosport world was based on a Torsen differential. You can still find it on S4, S5, S6, S7, S8, rs4, rs5, rs6, rs7, Sq5, Sq7, Sq8. The M3's direct rival from Audi would be the RS4/RS5. Try putting them against each other with the same tires and see who's better in the snow and ice.
@@TheGaang I think that wouldn't change much when you see the gap in the video. Still you can't compare those 2 but it's funny to see them in the snow.
@@evol3852 thanks but i think it would be still a close call between the M3 and RS4/5. BMW has come far with high performance cars with 4WD. And keep in mind that you still can switch to RWD if you want.
yeah like horsepower counts in deep snow like this, even a 200hp car would spin all four wheels with esp off ofc its a different question on tarmac@@TheodorCsgoMore
I don't understand why people keep making fun of audi, why they keep putting audi beside bmw and mercedes. Of corse audi will lose at anything, anytime, because it isn't in bmw and mercedes class. Leave audi in its class being just an very expensive vw and nothing else!
First of all: in any snow dragrace all cars should have THE SAME MODEL OF TYRES, even same dimensioms if is possible. Second: that M3 comp will NEVER weight 1.9TON because that's mean having same weight as M5.. which is stupid. Third point: That RS3 is definitely NOT AUDI, but a poor vw golf platform which runs a shitty haldex with VERY front biased shitty awd system. Choose an RS4 of same weight and power as m3comp that would be fair. PS: That m3 lost his own lane and it came in the opponent lane, that's mean by ALL DRAGRACING RULES all around the world -He is DISQUALIFIED, so HE LOOSE!
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I'm a BMW driver/fan, but they should've put the M3 against a RS4/5 and the same tires!
Obviously.. the RS3 should go with the m1/m2..
Both cars must have the same tires and the same tread depth, only then will the test be objective.
Gleicher Meinung👍
and change lanes between each race
Exactly. Also, the RS3 is not a real Quattro system but a Haldex system. Plus, tires aren't the same and they didn't change lanes.
@@johnjerrehian4642 its TS (torque splitter) not haldex
@@wojteksinkiewicz6153 The all wheel drive system in any A3, S3 or RS3 is a Haldex system and not the same as the Quattro system in most of Audi's other cars. While the new system has some tricks up its' sleeves it still based on a front wheel drive biased known as Haldex.
Michelin PA5 vs Gripmax… really? 😂 “unexpected”
Top vs discount 😂
I hear only mimimimi
Cry louder 😂 where was the quattro? It is so good I though.
@@ruki7602 bro adiition 110 hp and greater prize also still u wish audi to win
@@ruki7602isn’t the m3 xdrive nearly 100k usd and rd3 barely 60k? Base for both. Insane amount of difference. But the r35gtr will gap that m3 easy.
I think better tires win
wtf is a gripmax? are you kidding me? i feel pity for the Audi owner.
BMW smokes it thats all
@@henzo7087yeah sure
@@henzo7087bro how much old are you 10 ? you don’t have even driver license lmao you don’t know nothing, and you comment everywhere even at carwow comments like ,,VW shit”
@@henzo7087 Ight buddy if u want to be cocky and think BMW is better,I dont see that BMW will ever reach Audi RS3 Iroz times ever😂
WTF TYRES GRIPMAX🤮 ON AUDI RS3 🤯
Never heard about, some shitty chinese wheels??
And don't swap lines on second run 🤦
BMW smokes it keep crying for s h itty VW
@@henzo7087we all know how the tables would turn if they both had same tires Audi would take bmw as pre drinks
@@henzo7087 Shut your as up Audi Quattro been smoking X driver for over a decade now 😂
Michelin vs gripmax :)) not Audi vs BMW.
400hp vs 500hp.
And the one with 100hp more, have Michelin tires:))
Great math:)
The Gripmax has better snow grip than the PA5 lol.
And power doesn't matter, grip is the limiting factor. This test shows the limitations of the torque splitter AWD system very well.
200kg more, weight counts here either
Is ESP turned off on audi?
So you are comparing a 80k car with shitty tires vs a 130k car with Michelin tires? I would hope the bmw would win😭
Never trust a channel thats specifically called bimmer bros...Bmw will wi all the time
100% true. The clip is arranged by bmw fans never a bmw is better on snow than an Audi.
@@yonut7Sure, you saw 😂😂😂😂😂
@@ruki7602 😂😂😂arranged 😂😂😂 try trick others that don't know a thing about cars not me 😂😂😂😂😂😂
That's why they chose an RS3 and not an equivalent Audi RS model to the M3.
Should’ve been an RS5. Same segment and real Quattro.
M3 smokes rs5 anyway even on a normal road
Yes. But not in snow. Audi has the slowest cars but they are very good! @@SupermanOG
@@SupermanOGbuilt rs3 no bmw ever touched stop it
@@aaronlive1541 that doesn’t make sense, not sure what you’re trying to say?
Or M1 (F40 gen, not F20) vs RS3. RS3 has traverse engine position, is based on FWD with Haldex connecting rear wheels. Would be a more apples to apples comparison (+ofc same tires).
The rs3 is a fwd based quattro hadlex system 60 front 40 rear... and not equal take a rs4 quattro with the same tyres for a true comparaison with the m3 x drive....
The haldex is not fwd or rwd it's basically both it can send all power to rear wheels
Did the M3 win or the Michelin tires?
Ofcourse BMW is faster than VW.
Cars not even in the same class should be the Rs4
Not the sam tires and didn’t switch lanes for the re-run. Very nice. Not a huge audi fan but there a thumb down from me for not beeing honest with the test
Why compare m3 with rs3 instead of rs4
gripmax vs michelin? are you joking ;) put better tires on rs3 ;) Car with better tires will win...
Audi is sh it
Audi probably let him win as it's bmw channel 🙄🥱
Bullshit VW is crap
Wouldve won anyways, audi driver are just vw drivers with gucci sunglasses
One more drag race for kids to talk about.
Bimmer is 200kg heavier. That's the case.
By the way, i'm fan of bmw.
Tire make the difference
Kompaktklasse gegen Mittelklasse ????
Fake, quattro is superior to xdrive.nice try
The type of videos I love to watch…Audi in its natural
Habitat.
does the g80 have a front lsd? on the xdrives?
Koji ste edit program koristili
First : tyres?
Second: why bmw with longitudinal engine and audi with transversal?
Edit: test is bullshit
Gripmax, -109hp, 😂👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻😂😂😂😂 Audi is the king of the snow ⛄️
Except this RS3 doesn't have the Torsen quattro, and will not be as good in the snow.
Bimmer page, says it all
PUT m3 against rs6. or rs3 vs m2 if there is an xdrive version anyways
Competition must be between M3 and RS4-6 with same tires and diemensions..I wonder result as M3 FAN..
You need to ensure both cars have identical brand new tires. The test should be done with traction control on then off. And you need to run each car in both lanes.
What a stupid race bmw had about 100 more horsepower, how is that fair?
Dsc off?!
Inconclusive unless you have the same tyres I'm afraid.
This is more of a tire test, the drives +- work equally, power does not play a role here. It is probably worth changing lanes in the races, for more accurate measurements. Yes, I see it has already been written) in Estonia it is snowy in winter, beautiful, almost like Russia in the north-west.
A traditional Quattro with longitudinal motor (Torsen) would have made a difference. Haldex (RS3, TT) doesn't cut it.
More weight, more horsepower wins in the snow.....
Now test a real Quattro Audi Rs model that’s closer in price.
If anyone expected the RS3 to win, you're cray cray. There's no need to complain about weight, tires, power or anything. Just the name of the channel should have told you who would win and why it's a 400ps RS3 vs 510ps M3 Comp xdrive.
Why does Audi limit the RS3 to just 394 HP when it’s one of their flagship performance cars? 🤷♂️
Because of it had over 400hp, it would probably be quicker than the RS4 and with the torque splitter diff, a better driver's car than the RS4. Can't have a lower model being better than the model above. Otherwise, they could have easily gotten 450hp from the RS3 without much effort.
Lmao guys the name of the page is Bimmer Bros, what did you expect? A Fair race with same tyres? 😂😂
this is not real quattro, it should be rs4 with torsen
Why the M3 won: Horsepower is not the reason. HP is basically useless with no grip. The M3 weights 200kg more, having more friction/grip on the road. F(f) = m x g x u (friction coefficient)
and what is this test about? :D
bro rs3 doesnt use torsen or crown gear quattro its torque splitter bullshit quattro or if its older models its haldex so at least get a ""real quattro"" because even a4 a5 a6 quattro ultra whic is not a real quattro only models with 3 liter or bigger engines get the real quattro so get an s4 or rs4 see the difrence
Audi is shit bro😂😂😂😂 no Audi engine comes close to the s58 stay mad keep crying
My 2014 A4 allroad quattro with 2.0 tdi has torsen, so not 3 liter or bigger
No bro, A4 and up use the real quattro no matter the engine size. Only A3 and TT uses the haldex system all above use torsen
On a RS3 8Y they changed from haldex to a true torque vectoring rear differential. It’s not fully mechanical, but the rear differential now has 2 clutch packs, one for each wheel that can control how much torque can go to each wheel. It uses true torque vectoring vs using the abs system and is suppose to allow much more control and potential to oversteer. It allows controlled drifts also (drift mode available, sending majority of power to rear). Take some aggressive turns in a parking lot, then you’ll see the difference.
RS5 vs M3 next?
Not comparing apples to apples, as M3 is considerably more expensive than an RS3. I guess you didn't want the BMW to look bad. Put it up against an RS4 or RS5, then we'll see what's what.
Not the same tires 🙄😳
Gripmax? Better use summer tires :O
Honestly, it looked like the Rs3 had more control but
RS3 is a super nice car ❤️
395hp vs 503hp hahahahah
M3 monster .! More power .!
shit...
Quatro ist gut, xDrive ist besser. Beide sind für den Normalverbraucher super
So, you are comparing the best of the best tyre with some no-name? Are you serious?
And in the Amazonia, who wins?😊
Rs3 stage 2 with better tires would beat it and why people always verse stock Audi’s 🤦🏽♂️
They know the real results on many daily cars which are none M and RS cars audis are faster ...imagine celebrating M5 with less weight and 25hp more over a 600hp Rs6...
@@PERFECT3345 🤦🏽♂️ its okay we smoke them
Need Scorpion winter, F98 on snow 0-100 for 5,5.
Kommt audi boys verteidigt euren schönen Quattro 😂
Dieser Audi hat kein Quattrosystem. Die Bezeichnung fehlt hinten wie vorne am Audi. Und in der Beschreibung im Video wird es auch ersichtlich das hier kein Quattro vorhanden ist.
@@peterberndt559 nimm mal die Tomaten von de Augen dann siehste das des n Allrad angetriebender Audi is 😂
@@yourrborring79regarde les pneus et reviens parler 😂
When BMW's xdrive is better than Audi's quattro, we make excuses, tires, driver.....!
idiot...
I wouldn’t put those suregrip grimax on my civic 😂
The M3s competition is not RS4?Because M5s is RS6,M4s is RS5.....
Are those Canadian $? No way it cost 134,000. You can get 2 M3s for that price.
US$ and prices are converted from Euros. That's just EU prices
In Finland the M3 comp costs 152000€
Wanna just put tractor tires on the Beamer and slicks on the Audi. That’s fair.
72$ for tire vs 160$ xDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
You compare cheaper car with no real quattro with trash tyres. Take rs4 with torsen and same tyres and you will see real differences. I love BMW same as audi, but that was just unfair. RS3 got haldex. Torsen will surely win it, just because audi got more experience in 4wheel. Haldex is good for common roads and summer starts cuz after start you drive only front wheels(easy explained) and have no loss for transmitting power to rear wheels
Audi...the super model😍
Who the hell charged you $134k for an M4 oof
I mean M3
Its the real price with options
Mine was 140'000
EU prices
Mine was 96k with everything but CCB
Welcome to EU 😢
BMW tires looks like snow tires, Audi more of all season
Bmw has 110hp more.. wtf
The bmw is just too ugly looking and mainstream i think, the rs3 in my ❤ forever💯
xDrive is the new quattro? Massive respect for that M3.
The rs3 isn’t really Quattro but a Haldex system.
Nope. xDrive is the equivalent of quattro ultra which the RS3 doesn't have. The RS3 uses a Haldex based system. In bigger Audis from A4 and Q5 which use an Audi based platform they use Quattro Ultra which is made by the same company that makes the xDrive, Magna Powertrain so it's the same. The Quattro which made Audi known in the motosport world was based on a Torsen differential. You can still find it on S4, S5, S6, S7, S8, rs4, rs5, rs6, rs7, Sq5, Sq7, Sq8. The M3's direct rival from Audi would be the RS4/RS5. Try putting them against each other with the same tires and see who's better in the snow and ice.
@@TheGaang I think that wouldn't change much when you see the gap in the video. Still you can't compare those 2 but it's funny to see them in the snow.
@@evol3852 thanks but i think it would be still a close call between the M3 and RS4/5. BMW has come far with high performance cars with 4WD. And keep in mind that you still can switch to RWD if you want.
@@crocop2712u can put more torque to rear wheels on quattto so its like half rwd 🤣
Not real quattro and also bmw lies about the numbers its 560hp vs 400
I Wanted to point out this is not a rage comment or something I like audi more but both brands are amazing
cry more
@@baturalpkesici6671 ?
yeah like horsepower counts in deep snow like this, even a 200hp car would spin all four wheels with esp off
ofc its a different question on tarmac@@TheodorCsgoMore
@@rementor4375 I mean sure tires matter more and awd system than hp
The BMW got the jump as he papped the horn
Lol the competition for the tires only isnt fair.
Still not exist car that beat bmw is the best in anything.
I don't understand why people keep making fun of audi, why they keep putting audi beside bmw and mercedes. Of corse audi will lose at anything, anytime, because it isn't in bmw and mercedes class. Leave audi in its class being just an very expensive vw and nothing else!
Super 👍 Tare 👍
omg, wrong tyres! I used to hear smth like "audi power!!! even on summer tyres it's better than x-drive on winter ones"
Ill keep my RS3 regardless.
You should have changed sides
Sedan in Yellow ❤
Кто тяжелее и мощнее тот и выиграет у тяжелой машины лучше зацеп плюс ещё больше мощности.
audi rs3 394hp/294kw bmw 3 503hp 375kw really
이 영상을 찍기 위해... 추위를 참으며 고생한 제작진에게 감사를 표합니다.
Сравнение немного не честное. Надо бы было с РС 4 сравнивать!
First of all: in any snow dragrace all cars should have THE SAME MODEL OF TYRES, even same dimensioms if is possible.
Second: that M3 comp will NEVER weight 1.9TON because that's mean having same weight as M5.. which is stupid.
Third point: That RS3 is definitely NOT AUDI, but a poor vw golf platform which runs a shitty haldex with VERY front biased shitty awd system. Choose an RS4 of same weight and power as m3comp that would be fair.
PS: That m3 lost his own lane and it came in the opponent lane, that's mean by ALL DRAGRACING RULES all around the world -He is DISQUALIFIED, so HE LOOSE!
try rs4/rs5 next time
So fake, different tyres
Rs3 isnt same class. Should be rs4/rs5
Резина то хоть одна и таже?🤦♂️
Not much in it to say 40,000 in price difference
very usefull video 😀
Chinese tires Gripmax in Audi RS3 😂 WTF
Comme quoi le X.Drive ça le fait grave aussi !
Why AUDI never take MERCEDES BENZ for comparison,always BMW,to shame them
Quattro 🤝❄️
Should've switched lanes
BMW X remains the best on snow
BMW воды фапнули в кулачок)))) 😂😂😂