Wraith PRISM Vs. 360MM AIO Water Cooler for 3700X & 3900X
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- If you are in the market for a new Ryzen 7 3700X or a Ryzen 9 3900X, whcih both come included with a Wraith Prism Cooler, then do you even need to go out and spend the extra money on say... something like a 360MM AIO Liquid Cooler? Well today we test Deepcool's New 360MM Castle which is their best in the series for Cooling (and surprisingly does a good job on cooling).
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Minor correction.
3600X which is "a Ryzen AM4 3000 CPU and it has an X" doesn't include the prism it has the spire.
Sorry about this, I was told all the X cpus in the 3000 line up would carry the Prism, my bad.
@@techyescity Their website actually showed that it did. So legit reason to think it came with. Thanks for the video and info!
@@techyescity
Easy mistake given that the 3600X is a 95W part while the 3700X is a 65W part. Kolbot could be right in that they did specify the prism at some point for the 3600X as I distinctly recall seeing the spire for the 3600 and not the stealth, but I could be mistaken on that.
This is my concern with people recommending the 3600 with the stock cooler. It comes with the wraith stealth cooler while the 3600X comes with the wraith spire cooler. The stealth (edit: spire) is enough for the 3600X. But, when the 3600 boosts to similar performance and power draw, it could fall behind the 3600X due to thermal limits.
only ryzen 7 and + cpu get the prism cooler
Next up, $3 Aliexpress cooler vs Wraith cooler!
Hell yeah.
Make sure to apply the toothpaste correctly.
i thought you said you can find a wraith cooler for 3 dollars lol
Any cooler is better than intel stock cooler :P
you wanna go to LTT for *that*
These top-down coolers also give some airflow around the socket, VRMs and RAM. Especially compared to AIO there is a difference.
Exactly my thoughts.
Wont make a difference on high end boards but will definitely help on b450 matx budget mobos with small or no heatsinks.
True :)
You only need that additional airflow if your motherboard has a bad design. A motherboard with proper VRM's won't have any component heat up too much. To some extend it is about the quality of the components but even with bad/mediocre components like on the MSI X470 Gaming Carbon it is fine if you have enough of those components because the electrical power is spread over enough components, put a simple heatsink on it with enough fins and you have no issue at all. I quote Buildzoid: "those components are crap but if you have enough of that crap..."
Sure, if you buy a bottom of the barrel B350/B450/X470 motherboard then that top-down cooler its airflow will help. You will spend a lot less but also have more noise. I rather have MSI, Gigabyte, Asus and ASRock not spend $20 on RGB and other decorative nonsense and put proper VRM's on it, AMD not bundle any cooler and give a $20 discount. The temperatures will be great with an aftermarket cooler, it won't cost much more and you don't have that noise!
interestingly that's not always a good thing. compared to the aio, yeah, probably still good. but when i switched from the wraith stealth to my dark rock pro 4 VRM temps on my x370-f dropped by almost 30 degrees. turns out that if you're really pushing the cooler to the limit, it spits out very warm air and actually heats up the VRM instead of cooling it down. dual tower coolers are not known for good VRM cooling. best setup would be to get an AIO or waterblock and then just zip tie a fan to the VRM heatsinks. i've reinstalled my custom loop and now have the wraith's pretty little AMD branded 92 mm fan sitting on the GPU backplate blasting the VRM heatsink with nice cool air. looks great and works great imo.
It really depends on how you mount your cooler. Mine is push pull from the top towards the motherboard and one of the fans is directly behind the top heatsink always blowing a good amount of air towards it. The air being pushed there is cooler coming from a Rad than the air coming from the wraith cooler which is probably warmer.
I used the wraith spire personally in my build about a year ago and could still get some decent overclocking done on my 2600x, these stock CPU coolers look so aesthetically pleasing and do a decent job over keeping the CPU cool.
Ya can't even be compared with intel cooler.
I run a wraith max on my2600x clocked at 4g all core and I come in under 70c all day.
I read that the 2600x wraith spire is better than the 3600x one, cause the last one has aluminium in its core base compared to the 2600x that has copper.
thats the problem for me.... they look so cool but my ryzen 2700x is temp throttling. so i need another cooling solution, but i love the design of this cpu so much! :(
@Floki hard to tell you because I'm not playing destiny and it depends on CPU Load and not on the load of the PC at all.
If you use it just on standard settings with no OC it should be OK.... Maybe you can hear something but not very loud....
You should have included a noise comparison. That's the real reason to consider an aftermarket solution after all. Of course included coolers are designed to handle the chip. But they're noisy.
I used the prism for about a week before I went to amazon and ordered a noctua cooler. Just couldn't take the noise anymore
Mine doesn't make any sound
@@ajayrathore8704 It depends on ambient temperature, and your case airflow. I have a mini ITX case, live in a tropical country, and the wraith prism had to work HARD to keep my 3900X cool - it was loud af. The NZXT X63 is in comparison silent while keeping my CPU almost 10 degrees cooler.
@@lanycera that’s interesting, I have the wraith prism on hand and I was debating between that and an AIO I already have - the wraith just happens to look better so I want to use it. I live in Canada so temperatures are much cooler (including indoors) so it may not be a concern for me.
Thanks for making this. I think a lot of people go for AIO coolers because that's what everyone else is doing and they look nice, but they usually don't provide much better cooling (and in many cases even worse cooling than a good Noctua HSF cooler). Also, I don't think many people realize that "HSF" or "air" coolers usually actually have liquid refrigerant in the heat pipes that handles the brunt of the heat transfer. This refrigerant changes phase from liquid to vapor and back inside the heat pipes, and these phase changes are actually more effective at transferring heat than just pumping liquid water around. Dollar for dollar, "air" coolers almost always outperform AIO's in terms of cooling and noise.
Thank you , Doctor Harrison Wells
Lol
I'm really glad that AMD includes a decent stock cooler.
Ikr intel coolers look like they came from 2007
@@favscripts7680 they basically do. i can't remember them changing since about that period. the "core 2" era
@@dayspoiler4608 yeah
@@dayspoiler4608 im pretty sure they did change it, by replacing the copper heatsink with an aluminum one and making it worse LOL.
Not all Ryzen 3000 X processors have the prism, the 3600X has the spire
Is the Spire exactly the same performance-wise as the prism, just no RGB?
@@JamesLee-mp2qz The spire is a weaker cooler, but more than enough for Ryzen 5 chips
@@JamesLee-mp2qz There is also spire cooler with RGB if you bought the 1700 or 2700 or 3600x. The Prism is a beefier cooler and more capable, there are reviews on internet showing as much as 10 degree difference between the prism and spire.
The prism is a decent cooler that also looks good, but I'm not sure how it is going to handle the 3950x, considering that it is already struggling to keep the 3900x cool.
This guy is the dopiest youtuber for computers
Running a Mugen 5 rev b. on a 3800X. The biggest difference was CPU temps vs stock cooler with a 3800x and slight increase CPU Mhz. The other difference was the CPU Fan was not running as loud.
I guess the Sythe 120mm fan moves more air at lower speeds. Also the rubber isolation makes a difference?
Quiet is good.
The included cooler does work real well on a R 5 1600 HTPC build even if I don't plug in the RGB. Note it not used for gaming, just streaming for the dumb TV I bought.
(Cheaper to buy a bigger dumb TV than fix the old smaller smart TV) Don't tell her.
Now the the olde lady can read her Email without the reading glasses. Yep a 55" screen is better than a 5.5" cell phone screen.
Bonus is I don't have to share the 27" monitor with her.
Nice review of the Ryzen cooler, some other youtubers are doing the same, but i find your explanations easier to follow, thanks, keep up the good work
that moment while editing when you realize you called the cooler wraith spire for the entire video😉
Haha
Same 😉
yeah on my pretty decent headphones I'm like hmmm ;)
I was literally wondering the same thing if an AIO was necessary for Ryzen 3000 CPUs. Thanks for the video!
AIO is useless unless you can't fit a good Noctua tower in your build. Noctua is cheaper, quieter and cooler than many 360 AIOs. Arctic Freezer 33 is super good too.
Only liquid cooling that makes sense in performance and noise is open loop for CPU and GPU, but that's pricey.
@@CossackHD Agreed with most but, I do have a noctua nh-d15 and a kraken x72 with the new nf a12x25. Its more expensive for sure especially with those fans but I do get 5C decrease in temps compared to the nh-d15 and also the fans on my nh-d15 make a weird noise after 1.1k rpm. That said, my cooler is also quiter with those fans than nh-d15(1k rpm noctua is same loud and those fans at 1.2k rpm) but again, it was all almost 3x the price of that cooler so yeah. Not to mention these things will not last as long as air coolers for sure. For my use case the 5C makes a difference (maximum OC), but for most, don't bother with AIOs.
AIOs are better used spent on a Ryzen Threadripper.
There's nothing to wonder.
If you're going to run a Ryzen on stock, use the stock cooler.
If you're going to run a Ryzen overclocked, use a beefy aftermarket cooler or a water solution.
Don't use water-AIO's tho, I had one and didn't see much improvement over a beefy air cooler, but the air cooler cooled down way much faster than water did, prolly cuz there's less mass in an air cooler.
Besides, I prefer an air cooler that blows down on the motherboard, especially the RAM which a watercooler doesn't. So, the AMD stock coolers is not just good, but it's also good for your RAM and motherboard heatsinks, which most ppl forget.
@@CossackHD I never used a aio, so I assumed they perfome better, my r5 1600@3.9 is 140watts package and Temps are 68c with arctic freezer 33tr. gaming it's mostly at 45c and it's quiet so a little confused with these temp numbers for the aio.
Just built my Ryzen 3700X system this afternoon.
Reused my Coolermaster 240mm AIO water cooler and will keep the factory cooler just in case the AIO fails.
I would use the stock cooler of higher end cpu for my 2nd build (low end)
What are your temps like with that aio?
@@jean3030 - At stock clock speed it idles at 30 °C, gaming can get up to 50°C the fans are running at low speed.
On my old FX 8130 the board didn't control fans they used to run 100% the FX 8150 ran 18° at idle and 45° running full load overclocked to 4.4GHz
The old CPU had nearly double the TDP of the Ryzen 125w vs 65w so should do the job.
In summer the fan profiles may need to be tweaked for the higher ambient temperatures.
I'm running a corsair H60 on my stock 3700X. It idles around 30-40. I get around 50-60 in WoW: Classic. If my case would hold a bigger cooler I would use one.
The Wraith Prism weighs 1.25 pounds. I stopped using it after it sheared the top bracket peg on the motherboard.
Hey- did you find your tempetatures were better than the stock wraith cooler that the chip comes with? Thanks for tour feedback as I'm about to do my first AMD GPU build and have my sights on the 3700 too!
I love everything about my 7 3700x including the cooler! Looks great anf foes a fantastic job! You dont even need to buy thermal paste!!!
Please show us more B450 motherboard test for ryzen 3 processor
why? they are not ideal for the 8-16 core chips.
@@XX-121 they are good for 8 core ...
@@XX-121 Which says a lot of them are good for 8 core.
@@XX-121 The spreadsheet you posted said most B450 motherboard can handle a 3900X stock and 3800X with significant oc. Why do people like you post sources without looking at the source *you yourself* posted? Your own source proves you wrong.
@@XX-121 Check hardware Unboxed they ran a 3950X on MSI B450 Tomahawk Max and it worked very well
Just bought the 3800X against all odds and reviews and I couldn't be happier! It idles between 4350-4550mhz on all cores with the stock cooler and stock settings.
It was only 30$ more than the 3700X so I went for it and it is imho the best AMD cpu (for gaming) out there as it tops the 3900X clocks easily :)
Ah- that made me even happy to see! ; I'm about to go for my first AMD system and your feedback is indeed important!- what mobo do you use/recommend, and if you are overclocking then how much AND what/how does the wraith cooler perform vs the increased power to again whatever ghz you are running at???
Thanks dude!
@@giorgioblessedbaby5213 Don't skimp on the mobo, you want a X570 to bring out the most out of this bad boy! I personally have not manually overclocked the 3800X as there really is not point doing that (yet). Just make sure to flash your BIOS to the latest version as that made a huge performance difference for me and select the auto boost to level 3.
@@bornsideways Sounds awesome!! No driver issues?- or Nvidea GPU..? I've been w Nvidea 680Sli mobo w Intel duo@ 2.13 for EVER- it fried a few months ago and now after many many hrs of Paul,J2cents,Steve from Gamers Nexus and the odd "others" I'm like holy sh*t!!! No wonder I couldn't even get on the flipping internet anymore!! Lol.
I'm finishing engineering,have 1 patent and many in my head/minds eye, also love I.T. (dad was NASA and in elementary school I had the best"shiw and tell" lol- even a circular uncut wafer from silicon valley with all the chips lasered/etched in!!!!!
I've stories upon stories and they are all AEWSOME!
Thanks for your help btw!!! I'm thinking a 3700 but in a couple weeks perhaps a 3800x like you, but what 570mobo is best? And since the ludicrous IDIOCY of companies not prgrmng w SLi compatability- all that immense piwer on the table is totally wasted while waiting!
Gamers Nexus did a big benchmark test whith MANY GPU's and included 2 GPU's in SLi- i think they were Nvidea 1050's, but the point is the results were the two very low-end Sli'd cards OUTPERFORMED on EVERY TEST INCLUDING GAMES and it was incredibke to seebthe numbers how greatb that SLi tech is.... Hell that's like nobody programming fir multi core CPU's !!! It's plain beyond DUMB!!!
SO KEEP SPREADING THAT FACT BRO!!!
Also; you say 570 mobo but which is tested to be the best for AMD? I agree with you on the not necassary to overclock(as you CPU kicks ass) however it's fun to play- we payed so why not? Isn't there like a "switch" to have more than one setting or profile as far as components being ramped up?
Right- so what is your advice on which mobo and GPU? I've the same old monitor with the HDMI port I'll probably be using so I can have a better CPU GPU MOBO RAM STORAGE PSU etc.
Sorry for the book here, but I'm stoked to get this next system- I'll probably have NZXT put it together as I dont have internet nor a working computer to do the SERIOUS END WORK of drivers and OS loading and bios updating eyc etc.
Thanks again for your time and very very helpful advice as you literally are helping an entire fam bro!
Thanks again!!!
@@giorgioblessedbaby5213 Hey man, glad I could help :) And yea, real shame on the missing SLI support! I'm also using NVIDIA and it works perfectly, no driver problems at all.
Thanks for that test like you could read my mind, you answered a very important question for my new build "Do I need an aftermarket cooling solution" *thumbs up*
This is a slightly revised FX 8350-70 Wraith cooler from 2016. Slightly bigger copper base and RGB instead of the original illuminated logo otherwise nearly exact same cooler. I put my FX Wraith on my Ryzen 5 2600X. Mobo was ready straight out of the box no screws. Equal to the Evo 212, its a beast going from a 125W FX oven a 95W Ryzen. Far better temps than included Spire. If you have a 2600 to 3600X and an old FX Wraith cooler you have a free upgrade for your upgrade. Great vid.
tbh from my personal point of view for cooling depends on type of weather u got in your country, here in middle east its always 40 C + around the year so ya AIO make a really different performance for me
Thanks for video though
Agree..👌
That's true! Oh dear. I bought drp4 early this year in prep for ryzen 3000
An AiO is affected by outside temps as much as an air cooler though. AiOs use water to move heat to the fins of the radiator, but they still use air to cool the water down.
@@MrProthall that's not an accurate representation. An AIO uses water to move heat to the radiator from the CPU. Water is a better medium than air in removing heat. The radiator has a greater ability to dissipate that heat than the fan alone at the CPU with it's smaller radiator (usually the case). Please avoid spreading disinformation.
This is the video I was waiting for. I've been trying to see the difference between AIO coolers and air coolers for the 3900x. Thank you. Got my questions answered.
There is suppose to be a tiny switch in Wraith PRISM cooler which could boost this cooler in a higher RPM. Did you "ON" it during your test?
All that matter is ambient temperature
If you in Cool environment or your room have AC ,
then you just need Air Cooler
Air Cooler virtually Maintenance Free and usually less noisy
“Wraith (post-production mic) PRISMMMMMMM!” every time hahahahaha be honest did you say the wrong name all day? Great video.
I tried both coolers for my 3800x. The Wraith Spire cooler screams when gaming. Looks cool.
My H150i is silent. I'll stay with the AIO. I have plenty of airflow for cooling the motherboard. ThermalTake View 71 case.
Thanks for testing x370 first I've seen! Amazing value potential, although hard to justify x570 with such negligible gains?
Would be interesting to see a best of x370 vs b450. Would x370 have the edge for oc'ing?
@Chiriac Puiu thats the key point here BIOS , its going to have a lot to do with how the board maker uses the bios features ,it looks like the gigabyte bryan used dosnt have pbo in its bios ,whereas the crosshair has added the pbo option, at the very best without the pbo your going to spend a LOT of time trying to find the sweetness of a ryzen 3000 cpu
Some useful data would be temps on a 3700X with 140W rated prism, 160W*1 rated 4 pipe 212X, 200W rated 6 pipe big Air, 240 AIO and 360 AIO.
My hypothesis is that while big coolers will get the package temps down, the thermal density of the 3000 series CPU's will maintain an issue with junction temps over the package edge temps because of hot spot creation. You can only pump in so much power before the hot spot temps run into a time conduction issue (cannot move through the silicon to the heat spreader fast enough) and result in exponentially less effective cooling even though the package temps are reducing. This was something I noted doing overclocking and cooling tests on a R5 1600, where the disparity between Tj temps and package temps on Aida 64 showed a steady increase as you pumped more power in. The differences between the spire, 212X and a 612 with high cfm high speed fan, became negligible despite lower package temps with the bigger air cooler. I.e the spire had a big disparity around 8°C, while the 212 and 612 showed a 5-6°C difference. I'd have to run the tests again to accurately plot this, but from memory while the 612 got package temps lower, it had the greater difference between package and Tj temps. E.g. The spire had package temps around 62°C and Tj of 70°C. The 212X was about 54°C with a Tj of 59°C while the 612 was 52°C package and Tj was at 58°C suggesting there was some thermal lag involved that kept Tj higher proportional to package temps.
Whether this "thermal lag" is an actual thing is hard to say as I didn't have a water cooler to test with, but if I had the hypothesis would suggest that a package temp of 48°C would have seen a Tj temp greater than 6°C higher or roughly 55°C.
Tying this into the high thermal density of the Ryzen 3000 series, it would suggest a larger disparity between package and Tj temps for a given power input. Reductions in package temps with ambient cooling can only make minor differences in Tj temps and larger coolers will only have minimal impact on max frequency. In other words a 360 AIO will make little difference to a 240 AIO which will be marginal to a big Air cooler because reductions in package temps will have a reduced effect on Tj temps, similar to how pumping up the voltage gets decreasing frequency gains once you go past the optimum voltage/frequency gains point on the voltage curve, requiring exponentially more voltage for each 100MHz gain, you'd require exponentially more cooling power for each degree of temp reduction. Thecquestion is where is this optimum point for 7nm Ryzen processors given the steep voltage curve (and thus power) once you go past ~100W of power draw per chiplet.
*1 212X has historically been considered a 140-160W cooler but coolermaster is showing it as handling 225W of power in their I7 3820 overclocked to 4.6GHz @225W graph, which seems to be a bogus special circumstance example.
8:24 wraith....PRISM!!!!! lmfao 🤣🤣🤣🤣Brian you crack me up holmes
One thing, unless I am mistaken and missed it. But an open bench test wouldn't use hot intake air from a case bound - non blower card which would result in hotter GPU air being used to 'cool' the CPU heat sink fins.
*Looking around for a decent RGB enabled AIR cooler, for an upcoming 3900X build.*
*Currently looking at the Cooler Master ma620p*
Noctua U12A + Phanteks Digital Halo(s)?
that ma620p cooler is hassle to install/uninstall. better find another cooler if you really want to change.
so awesome I have an X370 MSI carbon pro it was at the time an expensive upgrade/replacement for a really crap 320b bazooka now it's looking like so totally worth it 3700x here we come and at some stage an AIB 5700xt
00:10 "This... CPU COOLER..."
WOAH
Lol. Was looking for this
Got a 3900X on the way, YES man. Excited.
But the Coolest thing is when the yes man gives yah some good Tech Yes Lovin
The Wraith Prism is awesome. Had one spare from the 3800x, so whacked it on the old R5 1600 @ 3.9ghz 1.25v to run a folding rig. It keeps it to 60c (65c when AVX spikes hit) at around 1700rpm on the fan which is near enough silent in the Core P3 chassis. Easily worth the 40-50 bucks they fetch on the market.
Hey Bryan.
Thanks for the run down on the coolers. Looks like the stock cooler is pretty good if you're on a budget.
Cheers, Mon from Brisbane.
The Wraith is just an RGB redesign of the old Phenom black coolers. It's pretty much identical except for the shroud and RGB. I used to use a pair of them on a dual opteron setup back in the day. Solid coolers all around and I'm glad they reused the design.
I would very much like to see a three way battle between the stock wraith cooler, a typical $35 tower style 120mm air cooler, and a typical $70 120mm aio liquid cooler. From the data in this video, I don't think there would be much difference in fps. However, I believe that having lower temps, over time, will extend the lifespan of the cpu.
if you use an aio then "typical" would be 240mm
@@tgdhsuk3589 I think there are plenty of ppl out there using a h60. 120's gets the job done without breaking the bank. I just wanted to know if you really need to spend $150 on a 360 rad to get the temps down around 80 rather than 90 C. 4:31
This video and all the others always come in so handy. Currently testing out a 3900x and needed some reference scores and even though this video isnt for that It sure as heck served that purpose. Thanks as always dude, you always come in so clutch in my book
Bryan, great video, but sound / DB was not covered. How much RPM / DB was the Wraith Prism with the 3700X when it was at 85 celsius?
my 3700x 3.6 overclocked to 4.6 with my wraith cooler all core at that was extremely impressive. at first i couldn't believe it even posted. 1gig over is nuts on air cooling.
0:11 Do this again, but next time say "IROOOOOON CHEFFFFFFAAAAAA!!!!!"
Noticed that too. It sounds like DC offset but it could just be that he left in a little bit of the audio clip from the onboard camera mic and it was offset slightly in time from the dedicated mic audio causing that weird distortion.
I just upgraded to a 3700X due to a phenomenal deal here at Microcenter, $259! I went with a B450 Stix board, loving it so far!
The biggest difference is that on average, if you can keep you CPU cooler, it will last longer before it fails.
Brian.. YOU are the man! I searched for this all over the web yesterday and could'nt find it. You are the hero man, what a cooler!
Thank you so much for this! I wont be pressured to get a aio immediately after buying the Ryzen 7 3700x! I'll just get it when I have alot extra cash on the side XD! Yeee
if you want a bit better id stick with a fan and go Noctua
Love the value orientated view point, was really curious to see if a cooler upgrade was worth it. Thanks!
Good stuff. I've seen other sites run AIO's for an hour before running the benchmark though. Are you sure 10 minutes is enough?
Very thoughtful review... no doubt the 3700x is the ideal cpu for an average desktop user, an all rounder, great for productivity, gaming and offers great value for money, but however a lot of folks want to know if they will get extra mileage by going for that expensive AIO or just stick with the stock cooler . Personally i think better to put that 100 bucks for an AIO on other stuff like on a better graphics card or better SSD or faster memory. Stock cooler of my 2600x has been doing a great job for me no complaints and further more no need to worry abt dealing with leaks or a broken pump or something. When cash is not a problem and you know every two or three years u will will make a new build with the latest CPU well nothing can stop u, go for the AIO.
Man, I wish RUclips had other options than 360p
Looks like you're early to the Tech YES Party!
@@MarcoGPUtuber gotta give that Tech YES loving!
This happens on most videos when they are first released on RUclips, at least every channel I ever watched. It's a way to keep them from getting slammed in bandwidth when a video first comes out.
I prefer 144p , so crispy
@@WayneWatson1 r/whoosh
The problem with the Wraith Max is it's way to loud, sure it keeps your CPU cool enough but it's crazy that you can hear it downstairs thru the floor!
😂😂
Bingo! That why I'm sticking to NH-D14. The noise wraith was crazy loud.
what about the noise of the prism vs the360 aio, still i will use my hyper evo 212 with dual fan half speed for not to be to loud :) nice review
Exactly, the Wraith Spire is stupidly loud when it ramps up, I couldnt stand it so dumped it as soon as i could.
It's small and a bit loud. If you want quiet, just get a nice aftermarket air cooler - plenty out there for good prices, like the Scythe Mugen 2 and Hyper 212 series.
I really appreciated your comment on Kev's heartfelt video. I hope he takes your advice and goes back home to regroup. You guys absolutely rock in Australia and really enjoy your content!
Imagine a 3600 with a Wraith Prism
I just completed an X-570 build with a 3800X, and I decided to try fitting the Corsair R200 case with 3 extra PWM fans (2 140’s and a 120). It runs very quiet with the Prism, and I’ve been unable to push the temps over 67deg C on any benchmark. Seems like a more cost-effective option than a water cooler, and potentially more reliable in the long term.
im waiting on the 3950x myself, but cool vid
@Charlie Brown i have a custom loop, so no problemo
@@Klust413 it'll be my workstation and gaming aio. i run a lot of cad, due to my job
Do not put high settings or go 720 for that kind of test...
Lookin a bit rough there Yes Man. I'm guessing you've had a few big nights on the benchmark sauce?
Meth binge
the Wraith Prism is a very good stock cooler if you aren't overclocking. I replace all my AMD stock coolers with it. I also came up with an adapter to use it on one of my older lga775 Intel Q9650 cpus. worked better than the intel stock cooler to.
AIOs are one of the biggest scams in PCs in years. If you heat soak them for 2 hours with the CPU loaded by something like Prime 95, to see what the real temps will be, they rarely out perform a good air cooler like a Noctua or Be Quiet 140mm cooler, even the better 120mm air coolers for that matter.
AIOs are also noisy.
I thought by now, almost everybody would know the quirks of liquid coolers. IE you can't test for 10 minutes and get the true temp like a air cooler.
You have to load and heat soak all that liquid to do it right and that takes quite awhile.
Liquid coolers need fluid replacement, do spring leaks more often that the companies want to admit and cost more.
Even my cheap ass Cooler Master Evo 212 keeps my i7 7700k at 59°c under full load with Prime 95. That's considerable room for a sizable OC if I wanted to, and the nice 140mm coolers out there perform even better than that, with no leaks, noise or getting in the way of servicing and cleaning a PC.
One of the things I like about AIO coolers is that I can put the rad in the front of my case so it can be cooled with air from outside. Most gpu's these days have their coolers exhaust hot air inside the case and air coolers are soaked in that which in my experience, results in worse temp than AIO. It's funny because making it easier to see and clean my components was also why I chose AIO over airs. Never had noise with any air or aio cooler
Whether it's affecting performance or not the 3900x needs that AIO. 90+ degrees celsius for a desktop cpu will definitely shorten the lifespan.
Man honestly this review should be 2 minutes long. All I care about when I'm looking at a cooler is the decibel level and the temperature. I dont know why you bother with the clock speed since theres no noticable difference.
Then dont watch the vid. This isnt ur youtube channel, its his
Get the Noctua fan if you want a silent build, or NZXT X63 or similar. The stock coolers are loud if they need they need to cool your CPU down. My AIO is in comparison to wraith prism much quieter, while keeping the temps almost 10 degrees lower. I've heard great stuff about the Noctua air cooler though, I just can't fit it in my case.
nice to see the good quality of the ryzen cpu coolers , is important to mention that the tsmc 7nm silicon is so limited by the imposed amd locks so that i stays very efficient and because of that when one of the 3 locks is hit even if the other 2 are not, youre cpu will stop increasing the frequency and you hit that frequency wall. Here are the silicon frequency locks described on the anandtech article:
"Package Power Tracking (PPT): The power threshold that is allowed to be delivered to the socket.
This is 88W for 65W TDP processors, and 142W for 105W TDP processors.
Thermal Design Current (TDC): The maximum amount of current delivered by the motherboard’s voltage regulators when under thermally constrained scenarios (high temperatures)
This is 60A for 65W TDP processors, and 95A for 105W TDP processors.
Electrical Design Current (EDC): This is the maximum amount of current at any instantaneous short period of time that can be delivered by the motherboard’s voltage regulators.
This is 90A for 65W TDP processors, and 140A for 105W TDP processors."
I think Intel has a wider range for those , and i think is one of the reasons why those intel cpus clock much higher but also draw much more juice , amd wanted those to be efficient , the vrms on x570 are way overdone for those power draw limits, also in terms of cooling wouldnt be a problem for some high end noctua cooler or good aio , but it doesnt matter since your locked by amd and that pbo it think doesnt really cross the power boundaries , or if it does is by a very limited %
I`m using this cooler on a 2400G with the speed switch turned to High...max temps on games are 43C!
Almost matches the frames you get as well.
From what I found so far the 3700x and 3800x have a lower limit you can get with cooling with normal cooling solutions, air or water. LNG, well that's another story. I sit around 72-73C even with 24C liquid temps on a 360 rad. Thermal compounds don't make much difference in my case. Others are having the same issue.
360p Nightmare is back , again.
you're a bit too early for that tech yes lovin mate
@@DansGarageAndPerformance , Yes Mate.
all videos do this for the first few mins after being uploaded
@@NZMOPAR , I know that but RUclips should render the 1080 p first then the rest of the p.
I ripped it apart and attached a 120mm fan to the stock cooler using only the "clickbase" of the fan. Making it silent but still cooling very poor. Now my CM hyper Evo 612 does the job in silence after adjusting the mounting base myself. As there weren't any stock AM4 adapter plates available anymore and wouldn't buy a new cooler.
360p gang :)
The prism might be alright with he 3600 but anything after when over clocked it isn't strong enough. I used the 3700x for a build and the prism was couldn't even hardly stay under 80c under load. Put the ID cooling liquid cooler on it doesnt go over 50c under load and overclocked.
Literally was thinking about this question! Thanks again Brian!!
Exactly the analysis I was hoping to read. Thanks. Value prop on Ryzen 3 is pretty amazing. Building my first non-Intel system ever ...
i set the cooler to high rpm it keeps my 3900x at 40c -48ishC idle and full load its gets up to 58c - 69c its actually pretty good for a stock cooler..the only down side is it sounds like a Helicopter when you are in full load or even in idle sometimes..
After my 2nd Aio is leaking now (1st one got instant replaced cause it was also leaking), I'm too annoyed to let it replace with a new one a 2nd time.
I'll run the 3700x with the stock cooler in a case with really high airflow, so a 4,3Ghz allcore overclock should be no problem. And I don't have to worry about anything leaking and destroying my hardware.
What are those AIO?
@@hyewata18 AIO means All-In-One Watercooling
What about temps in real world workloads,like gaming or rendering?
Thank you so much for this video. Great content. Exactly what I've been telling people for some time now.
The wraith prism is a great cooler. I was reluctant to give it a shot, but when I did, I was pleasantly surprised. Its a great quality cooler. My only complaint is the darn clip. They really need to update that when AMD releases their next socket. The only cooler that I know from experience thats better, is from Noctua.
Super interesting to watch, this is what people wanna know. I'm getting bored after watching the 4th Ryzen review, but this is something other channels won't do! Nice job!
I would like to hear more suggestions on using your high end x470 motherboard rather than always hearing about going for a x570. I mean people who invested in a 240$ high end x470 shouldn’t feel they absolutely need to upgrade to get the most out of the 3000 series chips.
Thank you for doing this comparison. I'm looking at getting a 3700x and not planning to overclock, so it looks like I can use the money I was going to spend on an AIO and put it toward something else.
I was looking for a 3900x + MSI B450 gaming pro carbon. Here in India, aftermarket coolers are a expensive investment! So this combo looks ❤️.
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Okay, the temperatures are not bad on stock cooler... but what about noise? That's something that many people care about, including myself.
Barely noticable
Great insight, I feel like these days we all just assume the stock cooler is garbage and destined for the trash bin.
After watching this I get the sense that most people wouldn't need a better cooler than the wraith but the airflow in the rest of the build would be important so pairing that combo with a CM MAF would work well.
The top down flow helps those boards with poor VRM design, and only negligible for good designed boards, but there is also the noise, the AIO is quite vs the HSF , in fact my vid card wine is louder than my AIO, but then again there is the cost as well. my corsair H100i Platinum RGB is much more expensive but does a great job of noise control rarely do i hear the fans ramp up under a game load.
I am a gamer and have the 8700k chip at 5.0 and the 1080 combo for 1440p. It's great and if I needed another setup I'd go AMD this round. We'll see in a couple years how my setup holds up.
Nah. Just save your money and wait for better gpus and swap it out.
8700k is good enough for gaming already. Unless Amd offer something better. Ryzen 3 is more like better version of 9th series Intel.
For gpus lineup Don't buy any Rtx cards or amd cards yet.
Nvidia and Amd still holding their best cards.
you should update this test with the new agesa microcode. prob makes a difference now.
I went with the B450 Tomahawk and the 3700x. I hope that i don't end up regretting it, since there seems to be a lot of bios issues with the Tomahawk. I couldn't pass up $99 for a MB though that has a great VRM heatsink.
Considering I don’t plan on overclocking and I live in Canada, I think the wraith prism on my Ryzen 5 3600 will be just fine.
I kinda wish you showed how the two coolers sounded like as noise levels is something to take into consideration too. I know focus wasn't to showcase the coolers but more so showing that the stock one is more than capable of doing its job, but I feel like showing all sides to it is important.
It would depend a lot on the ambient temperature too.
Been looking for a vid like this to see if this gen AMD's had decent cooling like the previous gen. Thanks man!
Not on the 3600. The stealth cooler is too dinky. AIDA64 it thermal throttles it has
Surprised that cooler keeps up with a radiator--I still on the fence whether to buy a 3900x--i9 9900k is $440 right now, cheaper Mobos, and I think 8 core/16 thread with all cores 4.7 Ghz (can go higher with right setup) vs 12 core/24 thread at 4.0-4.1 Ghz all core is very lacking for gaming. Sure the FPS is still good on 60hz monitors but gaming at 144-165hz locked is a totally different world and that extra 700mhz increase across all cores (which many games do not use more than 4 which is why I'm still rocking my i7 3820 3.6ghz base 4.2ghz boost today) seems to steer me towards Intel. Not trolling nor am I being paid by Intel lol please leave comments if you have any thoughts/insight you would like to share
You don't need the extra threads if you're just gaming...
Super relevant comparison, thanks for this!
I'll probably just use the prism if I can't stretch the budget to a custom loop (mainly for fun!).
I have a wraith prism for my Ryzen 7 2700 and I love it
I just installed a 360EX on my 3900x because the temps were warmer than I liked and the stock cooler was ridiculously loud, ramping up and down all the time and the setting it the fan full power constantly was unbearable too. 360EX isn't cooling as much as I'd hoped but it's still got much better idles and max temps regardless and the fans whisper along compared to that high pitched BS the stock had going on. This in an ambient of 17c to 21c btw.
My NH-D15 never goes above 65 degrees, even when stress testing, with my 2700x, which gets a lot hotter than the new Ryzens. So it must be a lot better (and) cheaper than most AIOs.
@@SilkMilkJilk Anything below 70 degrees while stress testing is acceptable in my book. I wouldn't wanna go higher than that and certainly not 80-85 degrees like you get with the Prism. I'm pretty sure those tems significantly reduce lifespan.
Now you just need to include noise levels between the two while showing the benchmark scores. Hard to say the liquid cooler doesn't make such a difference when you don't know the difference in noise too. Just a thought. Thanx for the vid/info.
I regret getting an aftermarket cooler for my 1700 build a few years ago. Went with a Hyper 212 and the heatsink is too big to fill all 4 ram slots, should have just stuck with the stock cooler to begin with and had similar performance! Will be moving to 3900X and probably sticking with the Prism
How much is prism better than the max? Got the max a while ago new for 15$ and thinking to upgrade to prism,is it worth it?
They are the same, the Prism just has RGB.
I'd like to see someone do the x370 vs x570 comparrison between the Crosshair VI and VIII, by someone familiar with both boards. People who aren't will miss a bunch of stuff, but I'd like to see a video like that before I buy a CH8 to replace my CH6, but I'm going to get the CPU first, a 3900X, and after a couple of months will upgrade the board. Would be nice to see a comparison.