YO *FINALLY* SOMEONE ELSE SEES THE DONNIE AND SHREDDER PARALLELS! I was surprised rewatching 2012 that Splinter didn’t make it more of a lesson to Donnie that he needs to respect a woman’s wishes, and how Shredder didn’t do that and it all ended in tragedy. I think it would have been a really good episode and lesson for Donnie, and it be a good character moment for Donnie if he were to get over or at least not put his crush on April so high up on his priorities.
@@renisrandom8342 Perhaps the reason for that is because Raphael’s anger is more overt compared to Donnie, who tends to just get frustrated, and the rivalry between Leo (unofficial protagonist) and Raph paralleling Shredder and Splinter is more evident. Heck, we see Raph armed with gauntlets at one point in season 3. Now that I see the parallels between Shredder and Donatello, it makes sense.
Honestly with Splinter saying to Donnie about not losing hope, I don’t think he was talking about winning April’s affections. He could’ve been talking about April forgiving him and his brothers for accidentally mutating her dad. But I could be wrong since it’s been a while since I’ve last seen that episode.
@@TrentGaines Also, this is not the first time he does this. In episode 6 of season 1, “Metalhead”, Splinter tells Donnie how ninjitsu is not a video game, or something to that effect. Donnie says something to the effect of I’ll turn it into a video game, which we see him do with Metalhead. Also, Donnie keeps talking like Splinter denied his request before pausing and asking Splinter what he said not once but TWICE in the same episode.
The fact past Shredder was less of a creep than Donnie is saying something. I remember Mikey even questioning if Shredder was a good guy before Raph argued Shredder is a total creep. I saw some fan concepts of a romance between 2012 Donnie and Irma (but without the twist of her being Kraang Subrime) since they're both awkward nerds that are extremely detailed, and that idea is vastly more interesting Donnie and April. Also, Xever/Fishface in jail hurts to see. I had really liked him until they flanderized him into a creep. They took that one joke in The Manhattan Project where he wants to find love and overplayed it by having him flirt with a teen April. Even if April was 18 (not saying that makes it okay) in Season 4, Xever has seen her before in previous seasons, so it makes him look worse. I doubt he just magically found her attractive after becoming an adult (if she even was an adult). Xever, you're not beating the allegations. Speaking of April, why did they forget about her school life after Season 2? The end of Season 3 has Kraang Subprime mention it's been 2 years since the Season 1 finale. April and Casey should be finishing high school or starting college by Season 4, but they forgot about that aspect of their characters completely. We never even see Karai go to school (what a missed opportunity). And by Season 5, all of their characters feel forgotten about a lot.
I always kind of assumed that Karai wasn't too preoccupied with school, since she always knew she's gonna become a high-ranking ninja in the Foot Clan. I'm sure that gets a pay? Shredder gets his money from somewhere right-
Omg I did not know unwanted hugs and touches were S/A for SO MANY years I remember my family members used to touch my waist and it made me uncomfortable but I convinced myself that I was being stupid. But yeah people gloss over Donnie’s behavior SO MUCH like what he does is not acceptable
Stuff like this is pretty tricky since it's pretty normalize. It's always just best to ask if someone wants a hug or not if you're not close with them (with people you know it's a case by case situation. I'd think hugging your mother for example without asking is alright unless your relationship is messy), and I'd do that for family I'm not close with.
@@ashesGeek If we was talking about splitter and shredder parenting skills and their character then this statement would be good to use in contrasting between the two. Instead the topic focus on how donnie behavior and actions can be quite possessive and territory toward April. This does make him share some common traits with shredder when comes down to his own romance female interest. If donnie didn't learn and progress overtime into respecting April boundaries and rejection his path could end up like shredder. That what the statement was pointing out when it say donnie is this close to being like shredder.
Well I can only imagine how delusional people are gonna get when they watch this. Donnie is a ninja with at least peak human strength and reflexes sharp enough to effortlessly dodge lasers. You think he can’t avoid a teenage girl?
Wanna hear a sad theory , the reason why donnie was unable to create cure for karai serpent form and mutagen man is because he was busy think about april or creating gifts for april or stock april as in comics which is somewhat canon he even created a perfume to make april fall in love with her and in episode The Fourfold Trap leo told by leo to prepare cure for karai mindworm but he got angry and choose to meet april who just call her and got in trap of karai
Donnie Could've been Like Dipper he is very Similar to him as both have a girl that they didn't ended up with. so i think that April Should've Sit down and talk to Donnie about the fact that she isn't into him. i know with Dipper it was because She was a lot older then him but still. form that Point on Dipper Stopped crushing on Wendy and they keep on good terms. so i believe the same thing could've played with Donnie and April and having Donnie find another girl if the Writers want to ship him with Someone.
26:48 Something that is curious about what is said here, is that during the series other characters have a different description of Donnie. Master Splinter for example pointed out Donnie as someone with a courteous soul and a calm heart. In turn, at the beginning of the series, Timothy upon meeting the turtles described Donnie in battle as someone who did not say much. This implies not only that the writers had a different vision of who Donnie was, but that they actually DID have a different idea of characterization for him. Which would give the opportunity for Donnie not have to be a smarter Raph in the case of taking away his crush on April. In short, they did have an alternative apparently but they chose not to use it.
An idea for a future video, should you chose to do separate essays on each of the turtle, can be “Raphael: Bully or Bullied”. While he can go too far with his anger and teasing, that doesn’t mean he’s never been on the receiving end of his brothers’ teasing. True, it’s not as focused on, but this could be considered a cycle.
Just how old are those people supposed to be to not understand what sexual assault is. My fellow folks, remember, s.a is when someone performs intimate acts on you that aren't consented and are very unpleasant to you. do not hesitate to seek help if something like this will occur. Plus, this accusation is quite serious, so don't go around throwing accusations like this at people in real life if you don't know the whole situation. sorry if i took too much of your time and stay safe❤.
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Okay I'm just gonna give my perspective. Yes april does give mixed signals and yes donny does do some creepy thing. But at the end of the day this is just a warning for the writers to be careful with the romance in TMNT
Donnie definitely did creepy things, and I know you were quoting the “Donnie doesn’t know any better🥺” thing, but you also have to think about how he’s literally a mutant turtle that was raised to be a ninja, not to be someone’s love interest. I feel like splinter never really taught them those things like “boundaries” and stuff, maybe they’ve had convo topics about it but Donnie is obviously clueless. And one of the later episodes in the show, Donnie realizes what he did to April and apologized for it, and basically said “I will stop being weirdly obsessed with you, let’s just be friends” and she kisses him…?😭 like you cannot tell me that April doesn’t have any explaining to do either. I also think that April definitely liked Donnie back but just didn’t know how to show it like how Donnie was all over her. Just my opinions tho pls don’t come for me🙏🏻🙏🏻
@ right but my point is even if the brothers don’t act like that it doesn’t defeat the purpose of what they were taught by their master (Splinter). I’m not trying to defend stalking because that’s creepy and weird, but in reality he’s a turtle😭 and at least he does eventually apologize to April…even though she kisses him right after it..but that’s besides the point😅
@@Акюша I’m confused what you’re saying because splinter DID teach them to be ninjas YES, but he also DID teach them how to get along with each other as brothers. He even taught him you CANT force someone to like you. So I’m a bit confused what your trying to say
@ He really didn’t..? And even if he did, he obviously didn’t go into depth with them about it or even had a full on conversation to them about it, I’ve seen every episode of tmnt 2012, and Splinter never actually talks to them about it, and if he does it’s very vague. That’s what I’m trying to say. Again, they were taught to be NINJAS, not boyfriends.
@@Акюша oh boyfriends. I see. Splinter did teach them how to behave though, and Donnie does understands boundaries. For example, he tells Mikey not to touch his things and gets mad when Mikey doesn’t respect those boundaries. So he does understand that if you tell someone no, they should not do it
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Honestly the Donnie and Shredder parrarels made me realize kind of a hypocritical and obnoxious things that a lot of movie and shows have. And it’s this. When the villian does something bad, they get called out on. But when the hero does it, it’s seemed as okay because the good guys always do the right things. Now a lots of other shows and movies do realize that just because the hero does something the villain does is not okay, or they usually realize that it is wrong, but sometimes hard choices must be made. However, as you pointed out, what Shredder did is no different from what Donnie does.
29:38 true I like Issei from high school dxd and understand why people hate and I wish he's the type of guy who got friends who get him into trouble even though he did nothing like people blame him for stuff because he's like adult content even it was his friends who did and the only reason why he still friends with them is either they are the only ones who be "friends" with him wnd Issei will later learn even though they hangout with him they're not true pals
Yeah this whole Donnie and April ship felt forced in to give Donnie some depth he otherwise wouldn’t have and the way it was handled was just plain wrong and messy, blah! Quick note that short animation about waiting for Goten Black could really use an update whenever possible cause you have reached 5k subs now, hell your halfway to 6k as of me typing this comment, plus it’s still using your old avatar design, just saying maybe consider updating that soon cause with time it probably gets more jarring to newcomers to the channel
Hey there, GD! I love you contents and hope you make more of these with care! I was wondering though if you can talk about how TMNT 2012 show like to sexualized this version of April like she's the 1987 version of April? I always found it weird that they're doing it on this version of April, who is a TEENAGER! Seriously, the amount of shots on her butts is uncalled for. 😰 And uncomfortable. 🤢
@@GenerationDefenders To add to this, it's far less frequent, but it felt like they did the same "butt shots" to Karai at times. Rewatching Turtles in Time makes it seem like they were weird about Renet too. I know Renet is a bouncy and energetic character, but it looked like they also gave her jiggle physics......
I don't believe it was even a kiss on the lips. After all we, the audience, never actually SAW lip to lip contact. The kiss happened off screen, so there's no proof that it was actually on the lips.
@trunksetabriefs691 Uncomfortable?? He was more shocked that it happened at all. After all that was the first time it ever happened. At least to my knowledge 😕
@ well yeah, even if your shocked that could mean it wasn’t fully consensual which they were explaining in the video. Like if he WANTED to he COULD press charges, but if he lets it slide then nothing will really happen. She’s just explaining this because a BUNCH of Donnie fangirls were arguing it was SA but didn’t want to admit Donnie did the same thing with the hugs.
In terms of the whole defending Donnie on the grounds he doesn't know any better, he would know less than April due to him growing up outside of society. Fifteen years with his only in person social interactions being between his brothers & Master Splinter. He probably was online a lot but uh... I wouldn't call the internet a place to learn proper social interaction. The guy literally couldn't go out & touch grass for fifteen years. I'm not defending him, I hate that he didn't learn & grow as a person & that they kept backtracking on what should be his character development in regards to his crush. April should know better but she is a teen too so I give her the benefit of the doubt. She's still trying to figure herself out & understand what she does & doesn't like. The way she's going about it is wrong but she should eventually come to the conclusion that with her experimenting, she's leading two boys on & that maybe it's best she pumps the breaks a little. If they were older & more mature, they could have a sit down conversation on the matter where they lay their cards down on the table & figure this thing out but they're all teens so they're not going to think to do that. When you're that young, the world tends to revolve around you & your needs; you don't consider as much on how your actions affect others. While yes, they do care about others, it's still a fragile time in their lives when they're growing into the person they will become which means they will make mistakes & do stupid things. Problem here is that it seems like they don't learn from their mistakes the way that they should & this is where I blame the writers, for all sides of this issue. You can see the conflict like they should learn but we want to keep this thing so they can't learn & ugh! It's so frustrating. This is why I enjoy poking fun at it when I write fics like sure, I'll have 2003 Leo berate 2012 Donnie for his behavior when April brought over dinner from Murakami's. It feels nice letting someone lay down the things he needs to hear & in a scary fashion too. I had the 03 turtles reveal their pupils whenever they were serious, threatening, or trying to get a point across & had it be a running joke the other turtles found it to be terrifying. 03 Leo addressing 2012 Donnie's crush on April was a pupil revealing moment. Wrote the above paragraphs like 11 minutes into the video, now that I'm nearly done watching it, I do want to address that yes, oh my gosh yes I wish they moved on from the stupid relationship thing in a Foot Too Big like that needed to be the learning moment & yes, I get him moving on would give him less characterization, I've worked on writing fics that involve the 2012 gang in a setting where Donnie is over April so I can get behind the theory posed in this video. What I did without having Donnie pining over April is have those feelings he's shown towards her transform into something softer & more compassionate that he spreads through all the important people in his life. While my favorite turtle varies on iteration since they're written differently enough from their counterparts for it, if someone wants a surface level answer on who my favorite turtle is, I answer Donatello because I love how he's more support; the utility of the team. They can have a bit of a disconnect with the emotional needs of others due to thinking more logically but 2012 Donnie is in a position where he can learn about that & I think if he moved on in a Foot Too Big, he could have had time to learn & understand the emotional needs of others & all around end up being better support for the team. He has a lot of compassion, it's just misguided. Essentially, it's a tool that he owns but doesn't know how to properly utilize which is why you take the time & let him learn how to use it. The fic that I have where 03 Leo goes off on 2012 Donnie about his crush, that one takes place during a time when he still has his crush but Leo offers a hand in helping him to learn to get over it. Since he had his self healing journey by going to Japan & seeing the Ancient One, he's positive he can use things he's learned to help Donnie see he could hurt April with his obsession. Since this is apart of a fic series I have, there are no results by the end of the first fic & I admit, a lot of their journey is done off screen, it's been referenced a few times. I've been writing continuations in drafts, jumping around the timeline a lot with the various sequels I have lined up & there's room for me to do a one shot where it's just 03 Leo guiding 2012 Donnie through some meditation or something. Maybe Donnie see himself as the Shredder (thanks to watching this video, I kinda want to do that now) & realize the monster he is if he keeps up with his obsession. One fic in this series (forgot to mention that this series is a crossover of 2003/2012/Rise with more iterations added on later) I kind of messed around with drafting, it wasn't ever intended for posting but I might at one point in the future when I get that far into the series, is a just for fun fusion thing where the turtles & some companions have marathoned watching ATLA & want to do their own journey in that world so they get the combined help of Sir Malachi & Professor Rockwell to place them into it. Malachi's vision & creativity paired up with Rockwell being able to read minds & do crazy psychic stuff places them into a mindscape where they all end up with roles dealt out to them. 2012 April, Donnie, & Casey all end as Kyoshi Warriors with yes, both Donnie & Casey as women because this is Rockwell dealing dealing out the roles, you know he's going to toy with Donnie; he absolutely placed him in this position to troll him. This is with Donnie freshly coming off of getting over his thing with April so it tests him & how he interacts with her in this situation. They all have their memories of their normal lives since this is a game & each player in it is offered a journal with their characters' backstories so they know a bit on how to play their role. Exploring Donnie & giving him challenges upon coming off of his obsession with April is so much fun. I wish the writers of the show could have been able to do something like this but they had other things they were focused on. That's what fanfiction is for.
I KNEW UNWANTED HUGS WERE SA!!!!!!!! I WAS RIGHT!!!!!! YOU ALL CALLED ME CRAZY!!!!!!
9:36 THATS ME!!!!
I think you mean "sexual assault"? 🤨
@ that what SA stands for
YO *FINALLY* SOMEONE ELSE SEES THE DONNIE AND SHREDDER PARALLELS! I was surprised rewatching 2012 that Splinter didn’t make it more of a lesson to Donnie that he needs to respect a woman’s wishes, and how Shredder didn’t do that and it all ended in tragedy. I think it would have been a really good episode and lesson for Donnie, and it be a good character moment for Donnie if he were to get over or at least not put his crush on April so high up on his priorities.
@@renisrandom8342 Perhaps the reason for that is because Raphael’s anger is more overt compared to Donnie, who tends to just get frustrated, and the rivalry between Leo (unofficial protagonist) and Raph paralleling Shredder and Splinter is more evident. Heck, we see Raph armed with gauntlets at one point in season 3. Now that I see the parallels between Shredder and Donatello, it makes sense.
19:00 well except Leo, I don’t think Donnie got jealous of Leo and April being alone with each other, but I’m 50% sure
No I think he would just scared of big bro. But if it did it most likely happened off scream.
Honestly with Splinter saying to Donnie about not losing hope, I don’t think he was talking about winning April’s affections. He could’ve been talking about April forgiving him and his brothers for accidentally mutating her dad. But I could be wrong since it’s been a while since I’ve last seen that episode.
Or not giving up hope for April returning to the clan in general could be what Splinter meant. I get that vibe.
@ : My thoughts exactly. And Donnie could’ve misinterpreted what Splinter meant.
@@TrentGaines Also, this is not the first time he does this. In episode 6 of season 1, “Metalhead”, Splinter tells Donnie how ninjitsu is not a video game, or something to that effect. Donnie says something to the effect of I’ll turn it into a video game, which we see him do with Metalhead. Also, Donnie keeps talking like Splinter denied his request before pausing and asking Splinter what he said not once but TWICE in the same episode.
@ : Even more good points.👏🏿👏🏿👏🏿
The fact past Shredder was less of a creep than Donnie is saying something. I remember Mikey even questioning if Shredder was a good guy before Raph argued Shredder is a total creep. I saw some fan concepts of a romance between 2012 Donnie and Irma (but without the twist of her being Kraang Subrime) since they're both awkward nerds that are extremely detailed, and that idea is vastly more interesting Donnie and April.
Also, Xever/Fishface in jail hurts to see. I had really liked him until they flanderized him into a creep. They took that one joke in The Manhattan Project where he wants to find love and overplayed it by having him flirt with a teen April. Even if April was 18 (not saying that makes it okay) in Season 4, Xever has seen her before in previous seasons, so it makes him look worse. I doubt he just magically found her attractive after becoming an adult (if she even was an adult). Xever, you're not beating the allegations.
Speaking of April, why did they forget about her school life after Season 2? The end of Season 3 has Kraang Subprime mention it's been 2 years since the Season 1 finale. April and Casey should be finishing high school or starting college by Season 4, but they forgot about that aspect of their characters completely. We never even see Karai go to school (what a missed opportunity). And by Season 5, all of their characters feel forgotten about a lot.
I always kind of assumed that Karai wasn't too preoccupied with school, since she always knew she's gonna become a high-ranking ninja in the Foot Clan. I'm sure that gets a pay? Shredder gets his money from somewhere right-
Again Donnie is both, geek and creep
He's a creep. 😡
Omg I did not know unwanted hugs and touches were S/A for SO MANY years I remember my family members used to touch my waist and it made me uncomfortable but I convinced myself that I was being stupid. But yeah people gloss over Donnie’s behavior SO MUCH like what he does is not acceptable
Stuff like this is pretty tricky since it's pretty normalize. It's always just best to ask if someone wants a hug or not if you're not close with them (with people you know it's a case by case situation. I'd think hugging your mother for example without asking is alright unless your relationship is messy), and I'd do that for family I'm not close with.
Donnie is just this close to becoming just as creepy and obsessive as Shredder.
I see no lies here.
Don't see it, honestly. Donnie has a caring and understanding father unlike Shredder who's life has been nothing but a lie.
@@ashesGeek If we was talking about splitter and shredder parenting skills and their character then this statement would be good to use in contrasting between the two. Instead the topic focus on how donnie behavior and actions can be quite possessive and territory toward April. This does make him share some common traits with shredder when comes down to his own romance female interest. If donnie didn't learn and progress overtime into respecting April boundaries and rejection his path could end up like shredder. That what the statement was pointing out when it say donnie is this close to being like shredder.
@@caramelfemale8022 Exactly.
Well I can only imagine how delusional people are gonna get when they watch this. Donnie is a ninja with at least peak human strength and reflexes sharp enough to effortlessly dodge lasers. You think he can’t avoid a teenage girl?
Run boy, RUN!!!! I can hear the fangirls coming!!!!
@ I’m here for ALL the smoke today!
@@quatrodavis7764 I salute you brave soldier!
Wanna hear a sad theory , the reason why donnie was unable to create cure for karai serpent form and mutagen man is because he was busy think about april or creating gifts for april or stock april as in comics which is somewhat canon he even created a perfume to make april fall in love with her and in episode The Fourfold Trap leo told by leo to prepare cure for karai mindworm but he got angry and choose to meet april who just call her and got in trap of karai
"It's the fucking Shredder!"
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH THE PARALLELS ARE BEING CALLED OUT!!!
Nice Pomni profile picture.
Donnie Could've been Like Dipper he is very Similar to him as both have a girl that they didn't ended up with. so i think that April Should've Sit down and talk to Donnie about the fact that she isn't into him. i know with Dipper it was because She was a lot older then him but still. form that Point on Dipper Stopped crushing on Wendy and they keep on good terms. so i believe the same thing could've played with Donnie and April and having Donnie find another girl if the Writers want to ship him with Someone.
14:20- 14:27 I know who you’re talking about. The Neutralizer!!!
14:29 Ya the Shredder that’s what we both said indeed we’re in agreement.
26:48 Something that is curious about what is said here, is that during the series other characters have a different description of Donnie.
Master Splinter for example pointed out Donnie as someone with a courteous soul and a calm heart. In turn, at the beginning of the series, Timothy upon meeting the turtles described Donnie in battle as someone who did not say much.
This implies not only that the writers had a different vision of who Donnie was, but that they actually DID have a different idea of characterization for him. Which would give the opportunity for Donnie not have to be a smarter Raph in the case of taking away his crush on April.
In short, they did have an alternative apparently but they chose not to use it.
An idea for a future video, should you chose to do separate essays on each of the turtle, can be “Raphael: Bully or Bullied”. While he can go too far with his anger and teasing, that doesn’t mean he’s never been on the receiving end of his brothers’ teasing. True, it’s not as focused on, but this could be considered a cycle.
Yeah! That's a good idea!
Donnie really deserved better!
Shit, 2012 Donnie is really giving u geeks a bad rep...
Dang 😂😂😂
1:21
I-
That's one of my friends 😭
11:12 Too be fair we don't see what april school life is i mean other than casey 1st episode
Just how old are those people supposed to be to not understand what sexual assault is.
My fellow folks, remember, s.a is when someone performs intimate acts on you that aren't consented and are very unpleasant to you. do not hesitate to seek help if something like this will occur. Plus, this accusation is quite serious, so don't go around throwing accusations like this at people in real life if you don't know the whole situation.
sorry if i took too much of your time and stay safe❤.
I’m gonna miss this video’s premiere because I’m on my way to see the Sonic 3 movie(my parents’s early Christmas present to me😊) and I have to work shortly afterwards but I’ll check it out later this evening!
14:29 not me having a intense flashbacks from that one tmnt 2012 fanfic where Shredder was Donnie's "biological Dad" I read years ago...
While I don’t get is why April love Donnie I mean what did she see in him?
His main character energy
Greater question is, what did Donnie see in April to make him so obsessed with her?
@@princessarnasan3725 her token girl in the 2010’s energy, by law in the 2010s the main girl had to be in a love triangle
Okay I'm just gonna give my perspective. Yes april does give mixed signals and yes donny does do some creepy thing. But at the end of the day this is just a warning for the writers to be careful with the romance in TMNT
Donnie definitely did creepy things, and I know you were quoting the “Donnie doesn’t know any better🥺” thing, but you also have to think about how he’s literally a mutant turtle that was raised to be a ninja, not to be someone’s love interest. I feel like splinter never really taught them those things like “boundaries” and stuff, maybe they’ve had convo topics about it but Donnie is obviously clueless. And one of the later episodes in the show, Donnie realizes what he did to April and apologized for it, and basically said “I will stop being weirdly obsessed with you, let’s just be friends” and she kisses him…?😭 like you cannot tell me that April doesn’t have any explaining to do either. I also think that April definitely liked Donnie back but just didn’t know how to show it like how Donnie was all over her. Just my opinions tho pls don’t come for me🙏🏻🙏🏻
Watch Part 1 of this, she actually does address it and even points out the OTHER BROTHERS don’t act like that.
@ right but my point is even if the brothers don’t act like that it doesn’t defeat the purpose of what they were taught by their master (Splinter). I’m not trying to defend stalking because that’s creepy and weird, but in reality he’s a turtle😭 and at least he does eventually apologize to April…even though she kisses him right after it..but that’s besides the point😅
@@Акюша I’m confused what you’re saying because splinter DID teach them to be ninjas YES, but he also DID teach them how to get along with each other as brothers. He even taught him you CANT force someone to like you. So I’m a bit confused what your trying to say
@ He really didn’t..? And even if he did, he obviously didn’t go into depth with them about it or even had a full on conversation to them about it, I’ve seen every episode of tmnt 2012, and Splinter never actually talks to them about it, and if he does it’s very vague. That’s what I’m trying to say. Again, they were taught to be NINJAS, not boyfriends.
@@Акюша oh boyfriends. I see. Splinter did teach them how to behave though, and Donnie does understands boundaries. For example, he tells Mikey not to touch his things and gets mad when Mikey doesn’t respect those boundaries. So he does understand that if you tell someone no, they should not do it
14:29 ITS THE FREAKING SHREDDER! *spits out soda* THE SHREDDER!?! Fans: What did she saaaaaaay! 💀
literally all of this could’ve been avoided if the writers didn’t try WAYYYYYY too hard at romance
like don’t EVEN get me started😭
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@GenerationDefenders I mean by in the near future, not now.
@ oh ok, but it could take YEARS, so I don’t think she’d wait that long
@@GenerationDefenders Unless it was like for a quick voiceover if she decided to make a video out of it crediting you.
@ that would be awesome! But I don’t want to force her, it’s all up to her
2:24 There was a music video?
Yes it was on the wanted behop and rocksteady DVD it's not canon
Honestly the Donnie and Shredder parrarels made me realize kind of a hypocritical and obnoxious things that a lot of movie and shows have. And it’s this.
When the villian does something bad, they get called out on. But when the hero does it, it’s seemed as okay because the good guys always do the right things.
Now a lots of other shows and movies do realize that just because the hero does something the villain does is not okay, or they usually realize that it is wrong, but sometimes hard choices must be made.
However, as you pointed out, what Shredder did is no different from what Donnie does.
29:38 true I like Issei from high school dxd and understand why people hate and I wish he's the type of guy who got friends who get him into trouble even though he did nothing like people blame him for stuff because he's like adult content even it was his friends who did and the only reason why he still friends with them is either they are the only ones who be "friends" with him wnd Issei will later learn even though they hangout with him they're not true pals
This is intresting😮
Yep, Geek or Creep? I say both, this Donnie was good but Rise Donnie is still my favorite in my opinion. Great video! 🐢❤
Yeah this whole Donnie and April ship felt forced in to give Donnie some depth he otherwise wouldn’t have and the way it was handled was just plain wrong and messy, blah! Quick note that short animation about waiting for Goten Black could really use an update whenever possible cause you have reached 5k subs now, hell your halfway to 6k as of me typing this comment, plus it’s still using your old avatar design, just saying maybe consider updating that soon cause with time it probably gets more jarring to newcomers to the channel
Hey there, GD! I love you contents and hope you make more of these with care! I was wondering though if you can talk about how TMNT 2012 show like to sexualized this version of April like she's the 1987 version of April? I always found it weird that they're doing it on this version of April, who is a TEENAGER! Seriously, the amount of shots on her butts is uncalled for. 😰 And uncomfortable. 🤢
@@sorawisteria5850 of course, I’ll do it for a future video but at the moment I’m working on another video that a fan payed for.
@GenerationDefenders Okay. 👍Thank you for reading my comments. Appreciate it. Have a good day and a good holiday. 🎄🎁
@@GenerationDefenders To add to this, it's far less frequent, but it felt like they did the same "butt shots" to Karai at times. Rewatching Turtles in Time makes it seem like they were weird about Renet too. I know Renet is a bouncy and energetic character, but it looked like they also gave her jiggle physics......
Fr, tbh it would've they could've just make her a full adult or young adult with career
@@sorawisteria5850 They did *WHAT* to April? 😡
They don't know what SA is.
Please let the next video be about Casey Jones, Mishandled Gruff Boy.
Here's hoping you talk about TMNT 2003 in the future.
I don't believe it was even a kiss on the lips. After all we, the audience, never actually SAW lip to lip contact. The kiss happened off screen, so there's no proof that it was actually on the lips.
Well even if it was a kiss on the nose, it could still be SA since he seemed uncomfortable with it
@trunksetabriefs691
Uncomfortable??
He was more shocked that it happened at all. After all that was the first time it ever happened. At least to my knowledge 😕
@ well yeah, even if your shocked that could mean it wasn’t fully consensual which they were explaining in the video. Like if he WANTED to he COULD press charges, but if he lets it slide then nothing will really happen. She’s just explaining this because a BUNCH of Donnie fangirls were arguing it was SA but didn’t want to admit Donnie did the same thing with the hugs.
@trunksetabriefs691
Yeah, that part I got. I just do think it's right to assume that it was a mouth to mouth kiss just because it was off screen.
@ ahhh! Well if you watch the whole ending he does touch his lips after April walks away
I really HATED THIS ROMANCE!! ITS SO FREKAING CRINGEY AND WEIRD!
I KNOW, RIGHT! THIS SHIP F🤬CKING SUCKS!
In terms of the whole defending Donnie on the grounds he doesn't know any better, he would know less than April due to him growing up outside of society. Fifteen years with his only in person social interactions being between his brothers & Master Splinter. He probably was online a lot but uh... I wouldn't call the internet a place to learn proper social interaction. The guy literally couldn't go out & touch grass for fifteen years. I'm not defending him, I hate that he didn't learn & grow as a person & that they kept backtracking on what should be his character development in regards to his crush.
April should know better but she is a teen too so I give her the benefit of the doubt. She's still trying to figure herself out & understand what she does & doesn't like. The way she's going about it is wrong but she should eventually come to the conclusion that with her experimenting, she's leading two boys on & that maybe it's best she pumps the breaks a little.
If they were older & more mature, they could have a sit down conversation on the matter where they lay their cards down on the table & figure this thing out but they're all teens so they're not going to think to do that. When you're that young, the world tends to revolve around you & your needs; you don't consider as much on how your actions affect others. While yes, they do care about others, it's still a fragile time in their lives when they're growing into the person they will become which means they will make mistakes & do stupid things.
Problem here is that it seems like they don't learn from their mistakes the way that they should & this is where I blame the writers, for all sides of this issue. You can see the conflict like they should learn but we want to keep this thing so they can't learn & ugh! It's so frustrating. This is why I enjoy poking fun at it when I write fics like sure, I'll have 2003 Leo berate 2012 Donnie for his behavior when April brought over dinner from Murakami's. It feels nice letting someone lay down the things he needs to hear & in a scary fashion too. I had the 03 turtles reveal their pupils whenever they were serious, threatening, or trying to get a point across & had it be a running joke the other turtles found it to be terrifying. 03 Leo addressing 2012 Donnie's crush on April was a pupil revealing moment.
Wrote the above paragraphs like 11 minutes into the video, now that I'm nearly done watching it, I do want to address that yes, oh my gosh yes I wish they moved on from the stupid relationship thing in a Foot Too Big like that needed to be the learning moment & yes, I get him moving on would give him less characterization, I've worked on writing fics that involve the 2012 gang in a setting where Donnie is over April so I can get behind the theory posed in this video.
What I did without having Donnie pining over April is have those feelings he's shown towards her transform into something softer & more compassionate that he spreads through all the important people in his life. While my favorite turtle varies on iteration since they're written differently enough from their counterparts for it, if someone wants a surface level answer on who my favorite turtle is, I answer Donatello because I love how he's more support; the utility of the team. They can have a bit of a disconnect with the emotional needs of others due to thinking more logically but 2012 Donnie is in a position where he can learn about that & I think if he moved on in a Foot Too Big, he could have had time to learn & understand the emotional needs of others & all around end up being better support for the team. He has a lot of compassion, it's just misguided. Essentially, it's a tool that he owns but doesn't know how to properly utilize which is why you take the time & let him learn how to use it.
The fic that I have where 03 Leo goes off on 2012 Donnie about his crush, that one takes place during a time when he still has his crush but Leo offers a hand in helping him to learn to get over it. Since he had his self healing journey by going to Japan & seeing the Ancient One, he's positive he can use things he's learned to help Donnie see he could hurt April with his obsession. Since this is apart of a fic series I have, there are no results by the end of the first fic & I admit, a lot of their journey is done off screen, it's been referenced a few times. I've been writing continuations in drafts, jumping around the timeline a lot with the various sequels I have lined up & there's room for me to do a one shot where it's just 03 Leo guiding 2012 Donnie through some meditation or something. Maybe Donnie see himself as the Shredder (thanks to watching this video, I kinda want to do that now) & realize the monster he is if he keeps up with his obsession.
One fic in this series (forgot to mention that this series is a crossover of 2003/2012/Rise with more iterations added on later) I kind of messed around with drafting, it wasn't ever intended for posting but I might at one point in the future when I get that far into the series, is a just for fun fusion thing where the turtles & some companions have marathoned watching ATLA & want to do their own journey in that world so they get the combined help of Sir Malachi & Professor Rockwell to place them into it. Malachi's vision & creativity paired up with Rockwell being able to read minds & do crazy psychic stuff places them into a mindscape where they all end up with roles dealt out to them. 2012 April, Donnie, & Casey all end as Kyoshi Warriors with yes, both Donnie & Casey as women because this is Rockwell dealing dealing out the roles, you know he's going to toy with Donnie; he absolutely placed him in this position to troll him. This is with Donnie freshly coming off of getting over his thing with April so it tests him & how he interacts with her in this situation. They all have their memories of their normal lives since this is a game & each player in it is offered a journal with their characters' backstories so they know a bit on how to play their role.
Exploring Donnie & giving him challenges upon coming off of his obsession with April is so much fun. I wish the writers of the show could have been able to do something like this but they had other things they were focused on. That's what fanfiction is for.