Police: Can I ask your name? Socrates: I don't know what you can do. Police: So, you're not going to tell me who you are? Socrates: Is there a way to predict the future?
“It doesn’t matter what I’m doing” That one statement tells you all you need to know about how incompetent and poorly trained he is. Completely ignorant and incapable of taking the time for self development and professionalism to understand his duties and basic principles.
The GMP Policy on BWV, in section 3, states - You must read the College of Policing’s Body Worn Video Guidance document. And that document states - Starting a recording If the recording has started prior to the user’s arrival at the scene of an incident, they should, as soon as is practicable, announce to those present that recording is taking place and that their actions and sounds are being recorded. Announcements should be made using straightforward language that can be easily understood, such as: • ‘I am audio and video-recording you’ • ‘I am audio and video-recording this incident’ • ‘Everything you say and do is being recorded’ So, it does bloody matter what he is doing.
I wanted to shout you are dismissed and you're doing the walk of shame but there was an off screen incident happening too lol 🤣🤣🤣 It was such fun though!
That's been running through my head quite a bit. You're right...with a bit of confidence, I should have just dismissed him. I am polite by nature but don't intend to give an inch in future lol. Thanks for watching and commenting mate!!!
@@AutisticAuditsUK Your attitude is spot on, mate. Don't try to be something you're not. You're confidence will come. You come across as pretty confident, anyway. There's no issue with being polite, it shows the rudeness of others more. Good work, mate. Hope your subs grow.
@@AutisticAuditsUK Remember that it's a fine line that you auditing guys walk because you NEED the interaction for us viewers, but at the same time you NEED to not look and act like a pushover like some auditors out there, because that can REALLY get us viewers down. 🤗
Thanks a lot Dai...my list of places to audit is getting longer by the day 😁. Some already completed and some I'm doing next week too. It's quite exciting and funny off camera too...the guy off screen was a distraction. If I'd paid attention I'd have said, 'okay you're dismissed, and you're doing the walk of shame lol. Someone made a point that I could have asked to see their pcso credentials (also policy). Something I'd completely forgot about in the moment. All part of the fun of learning. Thanks for commenting and watching! 😊
It seems like they don't even bother training them any more. They just put them in a uniform and let them loose. Like everything else these days, it's all about meeting quotas.
I would have scored a hattrick on him if I'd asked for his designation booklet lol 😆 Most PCSOs don't know what it is but they are forced to carry and produce it on request.
Yup good audit. Nice voice-over. Some points, for you to mull over. Not criticism, just things to consider. First well done. It can take balls and you showed us this. Next is that a PCSO has limited powers. Pretty much the same as you and I. So when they bound over like that demanding answers (effectively using what's called "colour of law" to intimate you into giving information about yourself) the first thing you could do is ask for their "designation card"!. This should be handed to you. Take your time and read one. This will put you in charge. If they won't then tell them to "go fish" elsewhere because they HAVENT proved to you who or what they are and represent. Third, keep the camera thing about telling you until later. If you later require that footage, and you have your footage, then that individual can get into deep poo. So later, just request the footage under an a pseudonym or a relative that doesn't mind and see if the have it. If they don't you can write to many people and get folk in trouble and get a written apology 🤣 Just a few things that might make you different. Keep em coming. Subbed. 👍
Omg brilliant help, the designation card is something I completely forgot about until you mentioned it! There's so much going on sometimes as I had an angry criminal wanting to avoid being filmed too lol but I'd clean forgotten about the designation card...and will do that next time! Thanks for your comments. Couldn't take your good advice as criticism. And honestly makes my day if I receive subs!!!! Thanks 🙏
Nellyontheland I'm thinking out loud.... If cop doesn't inform person camera is on (and is recording video and audio of subject).........if the cop when confronted about not informing subject.....then says they do not have to notify you at the first available opportunity... Does this mean the video recording is covert and therefore that cop must have authority from above to conduct covert recording? And without authority from above(I expect in writing as it means it is a very serious matter), then the captured information is null and void and must be destroyed by the police If the cop doesn't follow their own policy, can the video and audio captured prior to the subject being informed..... Is this the point at which any prior recording cannot be used as evidence in any form in any type of legal proceedings?
Well done with the interaction, but you don't have to say please, when you ask for their shoulder number and don't call them mate, and they need to address you as, Sir. Respect AA-UK 👊
@@OrbitAudits Hahaha and you're right 👍. I really thought he was about to arrest me, had ge stayed I'd have had him busting-up his brains due to my polite refusal to do anything lol
A 7 week response time for a request for help from the police? All your politicians, councillors and others who can influence this must be appalled. It cannot be from lack of resources as we see time and again how cops waste money then cry poor. The response times indicated a crisis. A crisis of leadership, identity, role, responsibilities and service to the community. Anyone within the police hierarchy who believes 7 weeks is acceptable must go now. Individuals with their own agendas' and building their own little empires within the police serve no public purpose. It would seem cops have no idea what they must do based on UK law and do what they want.
It's quite difficult sometimes to choose the right response I've found. My style is a polite brick wall at the moment as I will never give what they want....but will try other styles soon. Lol thanks for commenting. Love getting good advice!
Didn't like how PCSO #71120 approached and spoke to AAUK, very unprofessional, he even had the cheek to tell the auditor to turn his phone off which was an unreasonable request. PCSO #71120 showed a level of dislike/distain towards AAUK, the PCSO clearly didn't like the fact the auditor was filming him and made no genuine effort to be friendly and welcoming with AAUK. This is why there is such a disconnect between the police and the public because a large majority of constables, officers and PCSOs lack the proper social skills nowadays to interact with members of the public in a professional, respectful and friendly manner. No sooner had PCSO #71120 arrived on scene to chat with AAUK, he and his colleague left, I'm guessing that whoever spoke to him in the police van probably told the PCSO that AAUK was one of those auditors and he's recording the station to try and provoke a negative reaction from officers, so best to leave him alone and just walk away. PCSO #71120 came out with quite a few statements which either didn't make sense or sounded farfetched and BS, he used the PC waving at AAUK through the window as a lame and pathetic excuse or reason to come out and speak with the auditor to see if he needed help/assistance. The PCSO was under the impression that because he identified himself to AAUK that the auditor was under some sort of obligation to provide his name, this a common underhand tactic PCSOs, constables and officers use on the public to make them feel guilty and coherced into giving up their personal information when they're not required to by law. The miserable and depressed look on PCSO #71120' face said a lot to me about this personal character as a human being, it's enough to give any member of the public the reasonable belief and impression that they are interacting with an unpleasant person.
Thanks for for your full comprehensive analysis and report on the audit, The Vaporizer. Thanks also for subbing to my channel. I've subbed back and hopefully can bring more interesting videos. Thanks 👍
@@sparerib Thanks Sparelib, started for my own reasons but genuinely out there for everybody else too now. Thanks for the encouragement 😊😊😊!!! Hope to bring more soon.
Police: Can I ask what exactly are you filming? Socrates: Matters. Police: And what matters specifically would those be? Socrates: Interesting matters. Police: And just who in particular is displaying an interest in our station? Socrates: The public. Police: And what could possibly be interesting to the public about a police station? Socrates: Matters. Police: And which matters of the police station are pointedly interesting? Socrates: Public matters. Police: And which public matters definitively would those be? Socrates: Interesting public matters. Police: And who precisely is interested in any of these public matters? Socrates: The public that matter. Police: And who uniquely are the public that matter? Socrates: The public who are interested. Police: And what explicitly is this interest in police matters? Socrates: Public interest. Police: And why especially the curious public interest in this police station? Socrates: Public interest always matters. Police: And how notably will this public interest be used such that it matters? Socrates: Making public what matters to those interested. Police: And who characteristically, other than the police, have you been filming? Socrates: An interesting public. Police: What in the world anywhere, in anyone's wildest imagination, is intriguing in anyway whatsoever, to anybody in their right mind, about a police station? Socrates: Matters of public interest.
Typical police reframing, they attempt to shut down your right to film ( _"can you turn your camera off please"_ ), are rude / unhelpful when asked if they're recording ( _"doesn't matter what I'm doing"_ ), then reframe all this as _"we've just come to see if we can help you with something"._ Classic bullshit artist move, they've not come to help, they clearly came out because they don't like people filming them.
@0:78 Section 2, Principle 1 .... organisations have to operate under DPA 1998.. therefore :- There are "7 Principles " on using BWV lawfully ,,(college of policing) states : I am recording you, (earliest opportunity) and ""explain to how to get a copy "" by SAR which they never do ,, = honest, & Integratory , = how do they expect ""respect & courtesy "" we do not have Cheka, Stasi or Gestapo in UK . (Judge Julian Knowles ) Reiterate Section 2 Principle 1:- Ensure that officers are: (PAGE 8 ) - aware that people included in a BWV recording are "entitled" to obtain a copy via a subject access request (SAR) - able to explain the process for obtaining a copy 🤷♂ copy this into browser ,, look for "college of placing ",,, down load PDF >>>> Body-worn-video-guidance-2014
Hey, Christopher, we share the same name! You're right about the card! It was the first time of being asked to provide my details, I kinda like going to politeness extremes but without ever budging an inch. Next time I'll demand it lol 😉😆
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Police: Can I ask your name?
Socrates: I don't know what you can do.
Police: So, you're not going to tell me who you are?
Socrates: Is there a way to predict the future?
That old PCSO thought he could run all over you, he got told by the real PC in the van, to bugger off and leave you alone lol
It was funny seeing them toddle off lol 🤣😂
That's exactly what happened 👍
@@AutisticAuditsUK just needed the Laurel and Hardy theme tune as they plodded away!!
“It doesn’t matter what I’m doing”
That one statement tells you all you need to know about how incompetent and poorly trained he is. Completely ignorant and incapable of taking the time for self development and professionalism to understand his duties and basic principles.
Agreed! 👍
Totally agree!!
The GMP Policy on BWV, in section 3, states - You must read the College of Policing’s Body Worn Video Guidance document.
And that document states - Starting a recording
If the recording has started prior to the user’s arrival at the scene of an incident, they should,
as soon as is practicable, announce to those present that recording is taking place and
that their actions and sounds are being recorded. Announcements should be made using
straightforward language that can be easily understood, such as:
• ‘I am audio and video-recording you’
• ‘I am audio and video-recording this incident’
• ‘Everything you say and do is being recorded’
So, it does bloody matter what he is doing.
@@scotttchviski6706 Thanks for posting this info....it really does help others to speak out when being detained unfairly etc.
Yup agreed 👍
I am from the Netherlands, and there hardly any auditors to be found here. We had a couple, but they stopped doing it.
You should’ve played the laurel and Hardy theme as they walked away.
I wanted to shout you are dismissed and you're doing the walk of shame but there was an off screen incident happening too lol 🤣🤣🤣 It was such fun though!
Don't forget to ask the PCSO's next time for their designation cards.
Very nicely handled bro.
Peace
Top effort bud and well done. Seeing improvements with every video. Stay safe EE
Thanks mate means a lot!
@@AutisticAuditsUK Any time brother😉
Did good to let them know you know your rights bro. Excellent vid, with you all the way. 👍💯💯🤘🤘
Thanks 🙏🙏 really appreciate it!
@@AutisticAuditsUK always, 👍🤘🤘 get in touch with me 👍
He never 'gave you his details' - he gave you his shoulder number. You should have said 'I'm AA 1215.'
That's been running through my head quite a bit. You're right...with a bit of confidence, I should have just dismissed him. I am polite by nature but don't intend to give an inch in future lol. Thanks for watching and commenting mate!!!
@@AutisticAuditsUK Your attitude is spot on, mate. Don't try to be something you're not. You're confidence will come. You come across as pretty confident, anyway.
There's no issue with being polite, it shows the rudeness of others more. Good work, mate. Hope your subs grow.
@@AutisticAuditsUK Remember that it's a fine line that you auditing guys walk because you NEED the interaction for us viewers, but at the same time you NEED to not look and act like a pushover like some auditors out there, because that can REALLY get us viewers down. 🤗
How come the ones with the least power have the biggest attitude?
Usually means a penis smaller than your thumb nail ...or so im told ✌️✌️🇬🇧🇬🇧
All the wannabe's just like the Traffic Wardens when they were formed, they later became meter readers.
Rice vs Connolly 1966 will be worth looking at and may help you if things get difficult.
Thanks Sput I will check that out! I always take good advice 😃
Poor recruitment and training is a big problem these days,retired lifeboatman
It's so sad to see officers behave so poorly
Just went there yesterday mate nobody bothered me must have been audited loads 😂
I don’t know why people get so pissy over being on film - like the dick in with the van.
He was very intimidating and really would never have noticed him until he said what he did. I ended the video prematurely because he seemed a bit odd.
Well done matey keep em coming
Thanks a lot Dai...my list of places to audit is getting longer by the day 😁. Some already completed and some I'm doing next week too. It's quite exciting and funny off camera too...the guy off screen was a distraction. If I'd paid attention I'd have said, 'okay you're dismissed, and you're doing the walk of shame lol. Someone made a point that I could have asked to see their pcso credentials (also policy). Something I'd completely forgot about in the moment. All part of the fun of learning. Thanks for commenting and watching! 😊
what a very silly old man god help us if they are all like that
Was that old one on the way for his pension?
To think he actually gets paid lol
It seems like they don't even bother training them any more. They just put them in a uniform and let them loose.
Like everything else these days, it's all about meeting quotas.
I would have scored a hattrick on him if I'd asked for his designation booklet lol 😆 Most PCSOs don't know what it is but they are forced to carry and produce it on request.
So that's what happens when lollipop men retire 😳
🍭 lollipop policemen serving in the nonexistent law squad
Slow down the camera movement. Thanks
Will do x
Yup good audit. Nice voice-over.
Some points, for you to mull over. Not criticism, just things to consider.
First well done. It can take balls and you showed us this.
Next is that a PCSO has limited powers. Pretty much the same as you and I.
So when they bound over like that demanding answers (effectively using what's called "colour of law" to intimate you into giving information about yourself) the first thing you could do is ask for their "designation card"!. This should be handed to you. Take your time and read one. This will put you in charge. If they won't then tell them to "go fish" elsewhere because they HAVENT proved to you who or what they are and represent.
Third, keep the camera thing about telling you until later. If you later require that footage, and you have your footage, then that individual can get into deep poo. So later, just request the footage under an a pseudonym or a relative that doesn't mind and see if the have it. If they don't you can write to many people and get folk in trouble and get a written apology 🤣
Just a few things that might make you different.
Keep em coming.
Subbed. 👍
Omg brilliant help, the designation card is something I completely forgot about until you mentioned it! There's so much going on sometimes as I had an angry criminal wanting to avoid being filmed too lol but I'd clean forgotten about the designation card...and will do that next time!
Thanks for your comments. Couldn't take your good advice as criticism. And honestly makes my day if I receive subs!!!!
Thanks 🙏
Nellyontheland
I'm thinking out loud....
If cop doesn't inform person camera is on (and is recording video and audio of subject).........if the cop when confronted about not informing subject.....then says they do not have to notify you at the first available opportunity...
Does this mean the video recording is covert and therefore that cop must have authority from above to conduct covert recording? And without authority from above(I expect in writing as it means it is a very serious matter), then the captured information is null and void and must be destroyed by the police
If the cop doesn't follow their own policy, can the video and audio captured prior to the subject being informed..... Is this the point at which any prior recording cannot be used as evidence in any form in any type of legal proceedings?
the lower the rank the bigger the sausage
A world record sausage then 😉
Well done with the interaction, but you don't have to say please, when you ask for their shoulder number and don't call them mate, and they need to address you as, Sir. Respect AA-UK 👊
Good advice...your turn Orbit48 lol
@@AutisticAuditsUK Yep.. 👊😉
@@OrbitAudits Hahaha and you're right 👍. I really thought he was about to arrest me, had ge stayed I'd have had him busting-up his brains due to my polite refusal to do anything lol
@@AutisticAuditsUK He's a PCSO. He can only ever detain you, and that has to be exceptional.
@@Nellyontheland A PCSO can't detain you!
Is this the level of knowledge a PCSO possesses? Not knowing their job whilst intimidating a person in the street? Very poor.
Let's hope that PCSO never gets advanced to the proper Police force. Definite tyrant.
71120 looks like Albert Steptoe
Proper cutie pie (not) lol
When they ask for your details and you say no.They always reply but I gave you mine.
Ask them for the their home address and date of birth.👍
Good one, also their designation pamphlet is a good one. Cheers John!
A right pair of mincers.
A 7 week response time for a request for help from the police?
All your politicians, councillors and others who can influence this must be appalled.
It cannot be from lack of resources as we see time and again how cops waste money then cry poor.
The response times indicated a crisis.
A crisis of leadership, identity, role, responsibilities and service to the community.
Anyone within the police hierarchy who believes 7 weeks is acceptable must go now.
Individuals with their own agendas' and building their own little empires within the police serve no public purpose.
It would seem cops have no idea what they must do based on UK law and do what they want.
Theme tune to Dads Army springs to mind. Cringeworthy what Britain has become.
Advice ..stay silent the police get very upset.
It's quite difficult sometimes to choose the right response I've found. My style is a polite brick wall at the moment as I will never give what they want....but will try other styles soon. Lol thanks for commenting. Love getting good advice!
nice one i think them plastic police need some training
Agreed 🤠😉
To be honest we have just come out to try and make ourselves look stupid.
Didn't like how PCSO #71120 approached and spoke to AAUK, very unprofessional, he even had the cheek to tell the auditor to turn his phone off which was an unreasonable request.
PCSO #71120 showed a level of dislike/distain towards AAUK, the PCSO clearly didn't like the fact the auditor was filming him and made no genuine effort to be friendly and welcoming with AAUK.
This is why there is such a disconnect between the police and the public because a large majority of constables, officers and PCSOs lack the proper social skills nowadays to interact with members of the public in a professional, respectful and friendly manner.
No sooner had PCSO #71120 arrived on scene to chat with AAUK, he and his colleague left, I'm guessing that whoever spoke to him in the police van probably told the PCSO that AAUK was one of those auditors and he's recording the station to try and provoke a negative reaction from officers, so best to leave him alone and just walk away.
PCSO #71120 came out with quite a few statements which either didn't make sense or sounded farfetched and BS, he used the PC waving at AAUK through the window as a lame and pathetic excuse or reason to come out and speak with the auditor to see if he needed help/assistance.
The PCSO was under the impression that because he identified himself to AAUK that the auditor was under some sort of obligation to provide his name, this a common underhand tactic PCSOs, constables and officers use on the public to make them feel guilty and coherced into giving up their personal information when they're not required to by law.
The miserable and depressed look on PCSO #71120' face said a lot to me about this personal character as a human being, it's enough to give any member of the public the reasonable belief and impression that they are interacting with an unpleasant person.
Thanks for for your full comprehensive analysis and report on the audit, The Vaporizer. Thanks also for subbing to my channel. I've subbed back and hopefully can bring more interesting videos. Thanks 👍
👍
How the hell did that old PCSO get the job, he's absolutely bloody clueless. Maybe it's a 'Help the Aged' scheme or something! 🙄
Lol
@@AutisticAuditsUK keep going mate, your doing well. 👍
@@sparerib Thanks Sparelib, started for my own reasons but genuinely out there for everybody else too now. Thanks for the encouragement 😊😊😊!!! Hope to bring more soon.
@@AutisticAuditsUKyour welcome mate. I look forward watching it. 👍
Police: Can I ask what exactly are you filming?
Socrates: Matters.
Police: And what matters specifically would those be?
Socrates: Interesting matters.
Police: And just who in particular is displaying an interest in our station?
Socrates: The public.
Police: And what could possibly be interesting to the public about a police station?
Socrates: Matters.
Police: And which matters of the police station are pointedly interesting?
Socrates: Public matters.
Police: And which public matters definitively would those be?
Socrates: Interesting public matters.
Police: And who precisely is interested in any of these public matters?
Socrates: The public that matter.
Police: And who uniquely are the public that matter?
Socrates: The public who are interested.
Police: And what explicitly is this interest in police matters?
Socrates: Public interest.
Police: And why especially the curious public interest in this police station?
Socrates: Public interest always matters.
Police: And how notably will this public interest be used such that it matters?
Socrates: Making public what matters to those interested.
Police: And who characteristically, other than the police, have you been filming?
Socrates: An interesting public.
Police: What in the world anywhere, in anyone's wildest imagination, is intriguing in anyway whatsoever, to anybody in their right mind, about a police station?
Socrates: Matters of public interest.
Thanks 🙏👍 so much for posting this age old debacle in such an educated and brilliant way!!! Ima find out how to pin it to the top!!
@@AutisticAuditsUK Thanks for the wonderful feedback.
I studied Socrates for a while.! Thanks 👍 is to you for commenting with it!!
@@AutisticAuditsUK Oh, you pinned the other one; not as good I think.
@@satiricalsocrates8860 i think i tried the first one but ended up pinning this...I'll get it right later lol just popping out! 😀
Typical police reframing, they attempt to shut down your right to film ( _"can you turn your camera off please"_ ), are rude / unhelpful when asked if they're recording ( _"doesn't matter what I'm doing"_ ), then reframe all this as _"we've just come to see if we can help you with something"._ Classic bullshit artist move, they've not come to help, they clearly came out because they don't like people filming them.
Aaand another one educated. They'll get there eventually 👍.
Hope so 🙂
Please tell the Muppets to take their hands outa their vests..it looks unprofessional n slovenly.
Wby even talk to plastic police they have no policing powers
more entertainment x
Wonky hat 🙈
@0:78 Section 2, Principle 1 .... organisations have to operate under DPA 1998.. therefore :-
There are "7 Principles " on using BWV lawfully ,,(college of policing)
states :
I am recording you, (earliest opportunity) and
""explain to how to get a copy "" by SAR
which they never do ,, = honest, & Integratory , = how do they expect ""respect & courtesy ""
we do not have Cheka, Stasi or Gestapo in UK . (Judge Julian Knowles )
Reiterate
Section 2 Principle 1:-
Ensure that officers are: (PAGE 8 )
- aware that people included in a BWV recording are "entitled" to obtain a copy
via a subject access request (SAR)
- able to explain the process for obtaining a copy 🤷♂
copy this into browser ,, look for "college of placing ",,, down load PDF
>>>> Body-worn-video-guidance-2014
And thanks again ☺️☺️
Pcsos zilch power.
plastic police make you smile
Why do they have them they are useless
🇬🇧👁P.C.S.O.🥺🥺
Police. Common. Sense. Ommitted.
I rest my case your honour.😱😱
You didn't ask him for his book, I think you let the little Hitler off very lightly ? Chris London England 🇬🇧
Hey, Christopher, we share the same name! You're right about the card! It was the first time of being asked to provide my details, I kinda like going to politeness extremes but without ever budging an inch. Next time I'll demand it lol 😉😆
The silly old bugger plastic plod was hilarious the younger guy seemed OK but the old guy didn't have a clue
plastic plod the pensioner seen off 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣