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Why is it that in your thumbnail images you always look so angry or confused? Maybe those aren't the correct emotions you're displaying. Are you in character? ☮️
Padding: My Mother was born in 1918 and raised by her paternal grandmother. Grandma Genny was a Classic Victorian Woman born around 1872. Anyway, regarding padding, my Mother would say, "What God has forgotten, replace with cotton!"
I have a picture of my great great grandmother who was in her 20s during the 1910s and she dressed exactly like this, it definitely surprised me when I first saw it because she was of Native American descent.
Being Native myself and knowing my family history, I'm betting that it benefitted her to 'pass' and to blend in with a more acceptable culture. It sucks but lots did it to survive.
do you think it was to benefit her socially or because she genuinely liked the latest western fashion? I’d imagine it’s a combination of both, but tragic that she likely wouldn’t have had much of a choice!
This made me realize, the schoolteacher in Over The Garden Wall is absolutely a Gibson Girl! Or at least she seems like one to me. Which is a pretty cool nod to history and makes sense due to the various ages of Americana we see featured in the show.
I know this is an old comment, but I wanted to point out that many of the outfits in the show are a nod at a specific time period. I can’t remember which youtuber made the video, but there’s a very interesting analysis in the historical accuracy of the outfits in the show.
The Gibson girl seemed to have had affect down south in Mexico, I have a series of family photos from 1890-1925 and there's this one photo of my great tía from around 1900-ish where she's posed similar to 15:45, with similar clothes, except she had a chicken perched on her arm like a parrot on a pirate's arm. It's one of my favourite family photos.
@@LaRana2315 Wow!! so they were from the south and center, near the capital which during the Porfiriato 1876- 1911 was really modernised and really french and so the fashions were very european beacuse the president liked it.
@@agcupcakestudiosslove yeah that was my line of thought. They were from the capital city of Puebla too so they probably got alot of influence from Mexico City. It was interesting. Usually the photographs would have the date and location they were taken, and I noticed the ones of the family while they were in the capital city of Puebla, Tamualipas or Veracruz, they were dressed up more 'european' with their hair done up vs when they were in rural villages/farms/the country side, they wore more traditional 'non-european' clothing (like huipils, rebozos, straw hats, serapes etc.) And the women either had their hair loose, in a braid or tied back and covered by their rebozo. It was a really interesting contrast.
My great-aunt was a hat model of the Gibson Girl prototype in St. Paul, Minnesota. I have several sepia-toned portraits of her dressed in this style. She was exceptionally striking and quite the drama queen. I remember visiting her home as a child in the 1950’s and being honored with full access to her dress-up clothing, jewels, and accessories. Along with her Gibson Girl wardrobe she also had a grand collection of elegant Flapper ensembles. I thought she was the cat’s meow. Everyone else in the family hated her except her sweet, younger sister (my maternal grandmother). Thank you for this wonderful video!
Sounds like my grammie. She was a fashion plate and very beautiful, but ambitious, hard working and smart as a whip. Could be harsh and critical, but always honest. Executive career woman in the 50s-80s when not many were. I lived with her at times and her home was luxe and felt glamorous, vanities and old timey phones and plush furniture. If only we could spend a day back then, just to see 🖤 (Edit: ironically lived in the Twin Cities too! although from Laramie originally before she went out to seek her fortune)
Right? I really like this cuz it feels, in a way, like a representation of how much more outstanding and transparent women can be nowadays comparing to that time. I wear them a lot on a daily basis and it makes me feel incredibly beautiful and strong ^^
I mean, women wore just their stays (ie.corsets) in the 18th century and even go topless in public, nothing new, just fashion cycling every now and then
@@AorticAdeline It's a very nice piece to have in your closet really, I super recomment! It suits so many styles and outfits and it's a life savior when you wanna look a bit fancier but don't have anything fitting for that!
As a chronic illness person I laughed out loud when you explained that you wanted to do a detailed dive in on Mabel Normand and your chronic illnesses said “you need to stop” story of my life. I hope you’re feeling better soon!!
I love this video. :) On why so many famous Gibson girls didn't have happy endings: I tend to subscribe to the journalist Michael Hobbes' description of fame as a form of abuse. The constant scrutiny and impossible standards, especially when applied to someone still developing their adult identity, can be profoundly damaging. And, well, profoundly damaged people often get damaged some more. Take Evelyn Nesbit; she never had a good, caring support system, ended up trading on her beauty because she believed it was all she had, and found herself the target of multiple predators. It's not really surprising that things got worse from there. Some people beat the odds, but most don't; it's why they're the odds. I don't know about all Gibson's models, but I do know that women who sought work as artist's models in this period often lacked support systems and turned to modeling because they had no better options. It wasn't the sort of thing wealthy girls did for fun, and middle-class girls with good prospects were less likely to endanger their reputations by engaging in it. That left girls who were choosing between modeling and something like factory labor, service work, or something further down the social ladder like s*x work. Of course, modeling was easier and less demeaning than those options ... and of course, they were less able to defend themselves against abuse than women with more resources who wouldn't be modeling in the first place. The same thing happens in entertainment today. Take someone desperate, make them famous, and throw them to the wolves...tale as old as time. Or at least as old as the industrial revolution in media.
It was pretty much seen as equal to sex work to model. These girls were shunned from society as a result and that just left them stuck inside the same environment with the same people with the rest of polite society having shunned their backs on them. And if course once their youth and beauty faded there wasn't many options left.
@@JanWest24 Definitely. I regard it as slightly more appealing due to the slightly lower chance of catching an STI or an unwanted pregnancy, but it definitely wasn't all that much better. It was, at best, the least bad option for some women.
First thing we learned in literature and culture studies is to never read a text with ‘modern eyes’. I think that was a very important advice. I find it cute that his views on the ‘perfect woman’ was his wife.
As a lesbian, it was Gibson girl aesthetic characters that were my first crushes as a young kid. Something about the hair, the silhouette, the slight smile, was just so captivatingly beautiful to me that I couldn’t look away, and didn’t know why. I know why now ❤ Amazing video as always Kaz!
My great grandmother was born in the 19th century, though she would never tell anyone exactly when. She lived with us when I was a teenager, in the 60's, and I got a close look at her personal habits. When I was introduced to the work of Charles Dana Gibson, I realized that the hairdo that my great-grandmother wore until the bitter end was the updo that Gibson's girls wore. Imagine the effort that she put in during her lifetime, maintaining that youthful style.
You can definitely still see the Gibson girl in art today. The tired eyes and messy hair, I’ve noticed, are a staple in many artists art styles today, including my own. In that way I think the Gibson girl has had her third revival as I’ve seen it often in the last few months. Though she’s lost her fashion her cadence and strength is definitely still prevalent.
Love the Snappy Dragon shoutout. And so glad you exposed the manipulation of Camille Clifford's images. It gets tiring pointing out the obvious brushwork around her waist.
The Chicago Girl is a queen. She could have been a contender - a journalist, a craftsman architect, a Belle Epoch Jane Austen with sass. Say.... how great would it be if someone created a compendium of fantastic 'every gal' accounts like this one? That's a book I would read many times over.
I became aware of Gibson and its girls from an early age because my mom always took us to museums or art expositions, so I saw reproductions of Gibson's art but not originals since I'm from Mexico. Especially since my mom loves those illustrations too and also because I draw. Making me to be always looking to many different styles of art. So yeah, I'm a fan of Gibson amazing illustrations though I never got hooked up on the fashion. But his technique... My goodness. Love that drawing technique.
I know you tend to focus more on older cultural things on this channel, but seeing your amazing take on this I would love to see your take on the "It" girl of the 60s and 70s.
V interesting to think of the visual contrast between the Gibson Girl and her successor, the Flapper. Cartoonishly curvy, ruffled and statuesque with a stoic, chiseled face transforms into a silhouette without curves, playful dresses and hats, and a round, doe-eyed girlish face. It's like a never ending cycle - 50's ultrafemme turns to 60's tomboy mod style, 80's supermodels to 90's heroin chic. and now.....
The kardashian look will definitely be what’s remembered about this era. It really took over everything, the butt plastic surgery all that stuff got WILD in a way other aesthetics just did not. Plus the accessibility of it with gym clothes being the primary outfit also made it disseminate hugely.
I try to wear leggings as little as possible because fitness influencers and “that girl” ruined them for me. I agree with you. While I’ve noticed that fashion seems to swing back and forth between a natural look and a more exaggerated look ( 1910s vs 1920s, 1940s vs 1950s, 70s vs 80s) but in the 2010s the pendulum basically flew off at one end. Like you said, the life risking plastic surgery, whole plane fulls of women going to developing nations to get cheap surgery, the contouring (essentially stage makeup worn daily) the constant consumerism, it really went there.
I've always enjoyed the Gibson Girl aesthetic, and as an illustrator I've always had an affinity for Charles Dana Gibson's draftsmanship. This was a good dive into the foundations of that stylistic movement, as well as into the mindset of the man behind it. 👍
I appreciate the efforts of youtubers like you & Izzzyzzz to look super fancy every video. When I think about the male youtubers I watch, I think a lot of them go out of their way to wear the same shirt or 2 every video, lol. I gotta say that Patrick Nagel could have been the Charles Gibson of the 80s had he not died so early into the decade.
Oh my gosh, I'm SO EXCITED you're doing a full video on Mabel Normand!!! She's been a favorite of mine ever since she was done so, so dirty by the Chaplin biopic from the '90s and I look forward to seeing how you tackle her story, whenever your health allows ❤
Charles Dana Gibson, the first wife guy! Awesome video, as always, these always brighten my day. As a Latina with a lot of Iberian/Italian ancestry (and many others as well, true *ahem* melting pot in human form), I will not tolerate Gibson's slander of continental European beauty. I truly think his drawings are delicious to look at, but I'm not at all surprised by the - expected - problematic aspects of the Gibson Girl. As someone who grew up reading a lot American and British literature, and also consuming a lot of movies and animation, it always bothered me when I noticed the extreme aversion these old stories had to brown hair and brown eyes. If a character wasn't blonde or redhead, they had raven hair and gemstone eyes and the author made sure to stress - A LOT - how pale they were (particularly women, if they weren't supposed to be ''exotic''). I started seeing more varied skin tones after The Hunger Games books, if I'm being honest, and I'm glad that little girls and teenagers growing up today have so much more representation to look at. I guess it all comes back to white supremacy, overt or not, when talking about these old works. Even characters that weren't people of color had to be as white as possible, so imagine how these artists and writers, Dana included, felt about BIPOC people.
I was obsessed with Zorro's cape, and Dracula's cape. I got a short cape on Carnaby Street in 1969. I got my first floor length cape in 1971, I still have it. I now own 6 or 7 capes. The red one is the short cape. I have 2 black ones, and the rest are purple. My favorites are both my first one and the purple one with the lighter lining and the black lace over it.
During the 70's Revival of the Gibson Girl, I found pictures of my grandmother and her sister and her sister was a Gibson Girl. I was inspired, I was a pre-teen and I landed on wanting the Gibson Girl look for my wedding. I didn't end up with a Gibson Girl Look, I ended up with a Vintage 1927's lace gown.
I love this video 🥰 And thank you for your openess about your chronic illness (around 25:25). As someone, who gets stopped by her own chronic illnesses, I feel seen 💜
Just wanted to proclaim that i really appreciate the wide range of topics that you explore, attention to detail, thoughtfulness and research to the subject matter, your presentation style and the overall quality of your content!
It's interesting to think about what fashions from our current time will endure or come to personify our era. It often feels to me like there isn't as much of a unified "popular culture" so it's harder to see what will be carried into the future. Please don't feel bad about taking care of yourself, Kaz. The amount of time and energy you put into your content is always apparent. I look forward to your videos, but I certainly wouldn't want you to ignore your health to put out content. I've been rewatching your older videos and don't mind waiting for new ones... there's so much density to your research. You are a treasure!
I'm gonna give you crazy props for getting in that outfit without a assistance. I did plays and school and ya had to wear a corset in 2 of them. I'm so happy to be able to watch a vid. Thank you😁
I love that you acknowledge that some of us listen without looking at the screen and made the quotes very clear. It’s super helpful! I listen to these at work
Wasn't really into the Gibson girl myself, saw her in passing mostly, but when you mentioned Sargent, that got me perked up! Can't wait for that one, gonna be a trip for sure. Keep up the great work, excited to see more!
An interesting thing, earlier this year I just saw a movie of Mabel Normand called “The Floor Below”, it was considered lost for a long time, but then found in the collection of a Dutch person by the Netherlands’ film institute, so when I saw it, the intertitles were in Dutch. It was a one-off screening about 80 minutes, I couldn’t remember her name, but when I saw her pictures in the video, I remember her performance was very alive and good.
I love how this is looped into today's iconic images. Seeing how ridiculous historic trends were helps to keep current beauty standards in perspective for me and is extremely good for my mental health. I hope you feel better!
I stumbled across a drawing of a Black Edwardian woman by Gibson a few years back...I've no idea what his intention was behind making it (looks like it was drawn from life to me) and it doesn't seem to have been popular at the time. It's called "Well Dressed Woman"
Once again, a fantastic and extremely well-researched video, Kaz! I am an archaeologist who has specialised in the late 19th and early 20th century with a particular focus on women and LGBTAQ+ history and archaeology. So, needless to say, I love your videos! I can neither confirm nor deny whether seeing the Gibson Girls at a formative age determined my ambition to study this time period’s archaeology but I did use some of Gibson’s illustrations in my dissertation!
For the victorians one 'kardashian' was Austro-Hungarian Empress Sisi. She is now seen as the 19th century's most famous eating disordered person with a bmi of 14-15 at certain point of her life ... some things really never change.
Hope you feel better soon! Don't worry about having to put off part of the video for your physical and mental health. Take care of yourself! That's the most important thing. My wife and I look forward to your next video, and whenever you're able to tell the rest of the story!
The Gibson girl is truly an iconic look that if not emulated in modern fashion after the 1950s, is still somewhat appreciated. She is the standard that represents the era, easily recognized by almost every generation. Although Gibson himself didn't envision women of color and white women of low social standing as his ideal, I have several portraits of my African American ancestors in distinctly Gibson girl style hanging on the walls of my home. Gibson's writings, as you said, just make him sound...stupid.
Your content is always of such high quality and manages to scratch the special interest itch in my brain. Also I love how you always manage to look so [gender].
Glad i found this channel. I found an old gibson girl ring. I thought it was late victorian but now i know it is edwardian. I never knew about this fashion period and i subscribed to learn more.
A very interesting and well researched video! I never really knew much about the Gibson Girls before, I thank you for bringing this subject to light! A fabulous video indeed!
I definely have a thing for the Edwardain style...especially artistic dress. It didn't last long but oh how I love it. I hope you are feeling better now.
I really enjoyed this video! Just wanted to say I think I've seen all of your videos now and I'm a big fan. I sometimes channel the Gibson girl vibe when I do my hair... I have very long hair that is well suited to piling up loosely on one's head. Its cool to learn more about the history behind the image.
Excellent video! I've been watching bernadette banner recently, and was never super into historical fashion as a young person, but the more I get into it the more exciting it is. Love this deep dive :D
I normally only find channels from other ppl I follow or direct searches, but the algorithm brought me here and I'm super glad! Love the in depth history stuff, and esp relate to chronic illness and being in the stupid outside for my stupid mental health 💚
love your work and eagerly anticipate your deep dive into Mabel Normand. prithee photosynthesize your brilliant self as long as you need, wishing you a full recovery soon. :)
Another awesome video. It's so interesting seeing one of the first almost-modern looks at a stylistic trend in woman's fashion and life-styling. I can certainly see the influence of the Gibson Girl in today's trends.
Thank you! I enjoy the video! My wife's middle name is Gibson and because of that she has always adored all things Gibson Girl. Her dad, who's quite elderly now and had never said why he chose the name, finally confessed that he named her after his guitar.
As a BFA Illustration grad, it’s so cool to get a deeper history and context of the Gibson Girl than art history courses provided. I remember coming across the illustration of her sitting on the beach, and doing a master copy of it before I even knew what a master copy was or who she was. Glad to see you bringing more consciousness to the bigotry in visual art, love your work! The dressing in period fashion was a neat addition.
HI Kaz, thank you for that intro, was really nice to see your dedication to your videos with time appropriate fashion. It really lends credence to the stories you share.
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Why is it that in your thumbnail images you always look so angry or confused?
Maybe those aren't the correct emotions you're displaying.
Are you in character?
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Padding: My Mother was born in 1918 and raised by her paternal grandmother. Grandma Genny was a Classic Victorian Woman born around 1872. Anyway, regarding padding, my Mother would say, "What God has forgotten, replace with cotton!"
I love that!
😂😂😂Use tailoring😁✌️... Nowadays that's shape trainers we see in Chinese commercials and Kardashian Slim...
Omg! This is so funny 😂😂😂 i’m gonna use this
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Grandma Genny is a legend!
I have a picture of my great great grandmother who was in her 20s during the 1910s and she dressed exactly like this, it definitely surprised me when I first saw it because she was of Native American descent.
Being Native myself and knowing my family history, I'm betting that it benefitted her to 'pass' and to blend in with a more acceptable culture. It sucks but lots did it to survive.
Alot of pictures I've seen at that time have the young generation in western apparel and the old in traditional ones.
That will unfortunately be because they would have likely been treated worse in traditional garments. :(
do you think it was to benefit her socially or because she genuinely liked the latest western fashion? I’d imagine it’s a combination of both, but tragic that she likely wouldn’t have had much of a choice!
@@carrywon8767 That was probably due to the residential schools as well.
This made me realize, the schoolteacher in Over The Garden Wall is absolutely a Gibson Girl! Or at least she seems like one to me. Which is a pretty cool nod to history and makes sense due to the various ages of Americana we see featured in the show.
Thanks for the heart! :D
@@nicolasnamed I love that show.
Oh yeahhh Miss Langtree!
I know this is an old comment, but I wanted to point out that many of the outfits in the show are a nod at a specific time period. I can’t remember which youtuber made the video, but there’s a very interesting analysis in the historical accuracy of the outfits in the show.
@@blobfish7109was it mina le?
The Gibson girl seemed to have had affect down south in Mexico, I have a series of family photos from 1890-1925 and there's this one photo of my great tía from around 1900-ish where she's posed similar to 15:45, with similar clothes, except she had a chicken perched on her arm like a parrot on a pirate's arm. It's one of my favourite family photos.
Omg that's absolutely amazing!
from where were they? Im from Nuevo Leon, which is the very north, and my relatives dressed the same.
@@agcupcakestudiosslove they were from Puebla!
@@LaRana2315 Wow!! so they were from the south and center, near the capital which during the Porfiriato 1876- 1911 was really modernised and really french and so the fashions were very european beacuse the president liked it.
@@agcupcakestudiosslove yeah that was my line of thought. They were from the capital city of Puebla too so they probably got alot of influence from Mexico City. It was interesting. Usually the photographs would have the date and location they were taken, and I noticed the ones of the family while they were in the capital city of Puebla, Tamualipas or Veracruz, they were dressed up more 'european' with their hair done up vs when they were in rural villages/farms/the country side, they wore more traditional 'non-european' clothing (like huipils, rebozos, straw hats, serapes etc.) And the women either had their hair loose, in a braid or tied back and covered by their rebozo. It was a really interesting contrast.
My great-aunt was a hat model of the Gibson Girl prototype in St. Paul, Minnesota. I have several sepia-toned portraits of her dressed in this style. She was exceptionally striking and quite the drama queen. I remember visiting her home as a child in the 1950’s and being honored with full access to her dress-up clothing, jewels, and accessories. Along with her Gibson Girl wardrobe she also had a grand collection of elegant Flapper ensembles. I thought she was the cat’s meow. Everyone else in the family hated her except her sweet, younger sister (my maternal grandmother). Thank you for this wonderful video!
Sounds like my grammie. She was a fashion plate and very beautiful, but ambitious, hard working and smart as a whip. Could be harsh and critical, but always honest. Executive career woman in the 50s-80s when not many were. I lived with her at times and her home was luxe and felt glamorous, vanities and old timey phones and plush furniture. If only we could spend a day back then, just to see 🖤
(Edit: ironically lived in the Twin Cities too! although from Laramie originally before she went out to seek her fortune)
It is interesting how the corset which was once an undergarment is now a fashion accessory that is worn on the outside
You've reminded me of the song; Underwear Goes Inside the Pants
Right?
I really like this cuz it feels, in a way, like a representation of how much more outstanding and transparent women can be nowadays comparing to that time.
I wear them a lot on a daily basis and it makes me feel incredibly beautiful and strong ^^
@@goofymao1261 ooo thats a nice interpretation! i would def wear a corset on the outside for that reason if i had one
I mean, women wore just their stays (ie.corsets) in the 18th century and even go topless in public, nothing new, just fashion cycling every now and then
@@AorticAdeline It's a very nice piece to have in your closet really, I super recomment! It suits so many styles and outfits and it's a life savior when you wanna look a bit fancier but don't have anything fitting for that!
As a chronic illness person I laughed out loud when you explained that you wanted to do a detailed dive in on Mabel Normand and your chronic illnesses said “you need to stop” story of my life. I hope you’re feeling better soon!!
I love this video. :)
On why so many famous Gibson girls didn't have happy endings: I tend to subscribe to the journalist Michael Hobbes' description of fame as a form of abuse. The constant scrutiny and impossible standards, especially when applied to someone still developing their adult identity, can be profoundly damaging. And, well, profoundly damaged people often get damaged some more. Take Evelyn Nesbit; she never had a good, caring support system, ended up trading on her beauty because she believed it was all she had, and found herself the target of multiple predators. It's not really surprising that things got worse from there. Some people beat the odds, but most don't; it's why they're the odds.
I don't know about all Gibson's models, but I do know that women who sought work as artist's models in this period often lacked support systems and turned to modeling because they had no better options. It wasn't the sort of thing wealthy girls did for fun, and middle-class girls with good prospects were less likely to endanger their reputations by engaging in it. That left girls who were choosing between modeling and something like factory labor, service work, or something further down the social ladder like s*x work. Of course, modeling was easier and less demeaning than those options ... and of course, they were less able to defend themselves against abuse than women with more resources who wouldn't be modeling in the first place. The same thing happens in entertainment today.
Take someone desperate, make them famous, and throw them to the wolves...tale as old as time. Or at least as old as the industrial revolution in media.
Makes you wonder about the long term effects of the hyper scrutiny so many receive on social media today.
It was pretty much seen as equal to sex work to model. These girls were shunned from society as a result and that just left them stuck inside the same environment with the same people with the rest of polite society having shunned their backs on them. And if course once their youth and beauty faded there wasn't many options left.
@@JanWest24 Definitely. I regard it as slightly more appealing due to the slightly lower chance of catching an STI or an unwanted pregnancy, but it definitely wasn't all that much better. It was, at best, the least bad option for some women.
I love that quote from the girl who tried to imitate a Gibson girl. Roleplayed her way into getting run over by a car lmao
First thing we learned in literature and culture studies is to never read a text with ‘modern eyes’. I think that was a very important advice.
I find it cute that his views on the ‘perfect woman’ was his wife.
As a lesbian, it was Gibson girl aesthetic characters that were my first crushes as a young kid. Something about the hair, the silhouette, the slight smile, was just so captivatingly beautiful to me that I couldn’t look away, and didn’t know why. I know why now ❤ Amazing video as always Kaz!
Agreed .... very interesting video and story.
gibsion girls have lesbian energy 100000%
My great grandmother was born in the 19th century, though she would never tell anyone exactly when. She lived with us when I was a teenager, in the 60's, and I got a close look at her personal habits. When I was introduced to the work of Charles Dana Gibson, I realized that the hairdo that my great-grandmother wore until the bitter end was the updo that Gibson's girls wore. Imagine the effort that she put in during her lifetime, maintaining that youthful style.
I am 70 and was fascinated by the Gibson girl. I did enjoy this very much! Thank you!
“Sometimes you just need a bit of padding and the right attitude.” I want that on my tombstone.
You can definitely still see the Gibson girl in art today. The tired eyes and messy hair, I’ve noticed, are a staple in many artists art styles today, including my own. In that way I think the Gibson girl has had her third revival as I’ve seen it often in the last few months. Though she’s lost her fashion her cadence and strength is definitely still prevalent.
Love the Snappy Dragon shoutout. And so glad you exposed the manipulation of Camille Clifford's images. It gets tiring pointing out the obvious brushwork around her waist.
Another day, another excellent dive into history with Kaz. You must be one of the most dedicated creators on RUclips working in this vein.
She/her.
@@theresaurus9820 what 💀
@@theresaurus9820 idk who you're referring to but Kaz uses they/them pronouns..
@@jpxfrd7 I know. That’s why I said she/her.
The Chicago Girl is a queen. She could have been a contender - a journalist, a craftsman architect, a Belle Epoch Jane Austen with sass. Say.... how great would it be if someone created a compendium of fantastic 'every gal' accounts like this one? That's a book I would read many times over.
I became aware of Gibson and its girls from an early age because my mom always took us to museums or art expositions, so I saw reproductions of Gibson's art but not originals since I'm from Mexico. Especially since my mom loves those illustrations too and also because I draw. Making me to be always looking to many different styles of art. So yeah, I'm a fan of Gibson amazing illustrations though I never got hooked up on the fashion. But his technique... My goodness. Love that drawing technique.
4:46 *It's official, Kaz Rowe is totally totally the most fashionable content creator on RUclips.* Amazing video.
Amen!
Every outfit I’ve seen them wear is just so gender.
I'm new to her channel. Loving the videos.
@@miss.l.1563 Kaz uses they/them pronouns, just so you know
I know you tend to focus more on older cultural things on this channel, but seeing your amazing take on this I would love to see your take on the "It" girl of the 60s and 70s.
V interesting to think of the visual contrast between the Gibson Girl and her successor, the Flapper. Cartoonishly curvy, ruffled and statuesque with a stoic, chiseled face transforms into a silhouette without curves, playful dresses and hats, and a round, doe-eyed girlish face. It's like a never ending cycle - 50's ultrafemme turns to 60's tomboy mod style, 80's supermodels to 90's heroin chic. and now.....
The kardashian look will definitely be what’s remembered about this era. It really took over everything, the butt plastic surgery all that stuff got WILD in a way other aesthetics just did not. Plus the accessibility of it with gym clothes being the primary outfit also made it disseminate hugely.
I try to wear leggings as little as possible because fitness influencers and “that girl” ruined them for me. I agree with you. While I’ve noticed that fashion seems to swing back and forth between a natural look and a more exaggerated look ( 1910s vs 1920s, 1940s vs 1950s, 70s vs 80s) but in the 2010s the pendulum basically flew off at one end. Like you said, the life risking plastic surgery, whole plane fulls of women going to developing nations to get cheap surgery, the contouring (essentially stage makeup worn daily) the constant consumerism, it really went there.
I've always enjoyed the Gibson Girl aesthetic, and as an illustrator I've always had an affinity for Charles Dana Gibson's draftsmanship.
This was a good dive into the foundations of that stylistic movement, as well as into the mindset of the man behind it. 👍
The reaction to the sudden wind was amazing. Comedy and levity always makes history better.
Gibson girl has always been hair goals I'm so excited for this video
I have to say your my favorite history creator on this site not only because of your research but also the topics you choose thank you so much ❤
She is good I was researching the Gibson girls!
I appreciate the efforts of youtubers like you & Izzzyzzz to look super fancy every video. When I think about the male youtubers I watch, I think a lot of them go out of their way to wear the same shirt or 2 every video, lol.
I gotta say that Patrick Nagel could have been the Charles Gibson of the 80s had he not died so early into the decade.
I’ve been obsessed with the Gibson girl aesthetic ever since I first went to Disneyland as a kid 🥲
Oh my gosh, I'm SO EXCITED you're doing a full video on Mabel Normand!!! She's been a favorite of mine ever since she was done so, so dirty by the Chaplin biopic from the '90s and I look forward to seeing how you tackle her story, whenever your health allows ❤
Charles Dana Gibson, the first wife guy!
Awesome video, as always, these always brighten my day. As a Latina with a lot of Iberian/Italian ancestry (and many others as well, true *ahem* melting pot in human form), I will not tolerate Gibson's slander of continental European beauty. I truly think his drawings are delicious to look at, but I'm not at all surprised by the - expected - problematic aspects of the Gibson Girl.
As someone who grew up reading a lot American and British literature, and also consuming a lot of movies and animation, it always bothered me when I noticed the extreme aversion these old stories had to brown hair and brown eyes. If a character wasn't blonde or redhead, they had raven hair and gemstone eyes and the author made sure to stress - A LOT - how pale they were (particularly women, if they weren't supposed to be ''exotic''). I started seeing more varied skin tones after The Hunger Games books, if I'm being honest, and I'm glad that little girls and teenagers growing up today have so much more representation to look at. I guess it all comes back to white supremacy, overt or not, when talking about these old works. Even characters that weren't people of color had to be as white as possible, so imagine how these artists and writers, Dana included, felt about BIPOC people.
I am a simple woman. I see Kaz Rowe upload a new history video and I will drop everything (including waiting out a hurricane) to watch it.
I was obsessed with Zorro's cape, and Dracula's cape. I got a short cape on Carnaby Street in 1969. I got my first floor length cape in 1971, I still have it. I now own 6 or 7 capes. The red one is the short cape. I have 2 black ones, and the rest are purple. My favorites are both my first one and the purple one with the lighter lining and the black lace over it.
Thank you for this fascinating topic! Gibson girl style is so glamorous! I also appreciate Bach playing as your bed music
During the 70's Revival of the Gibson Girl, I found pictures of my grandmother and her sister and her sister was a Gibson Girl. I was inspired, I was a pre-teen and I landed on wanting the Gibson Girl look for my wedding. I didn't end up with a Gibson Girl Look, I ended up with a Vintage 1927's lace gown.
I love this video 🥰
And thank you for your openess about your chronic illness (around 25:25). As someone, who gets stopped by her own chronic illnesses, I feel seen 💜
I am especially pleased that Karolina Zabrowska was mentioned in your work.
What a dream it’d be to see you both come together for a collab 🤍
My great grandmother came from a fishing village in North East Scotland and she wore this look. We have a photo of her at 18 looking very elegant.
Just wanted to proclaim that i really appreciate the wide range of topics that you explore, attention to detail, thoughtfulness and research to the subject matter, your presentation style and the overall quality of your content!
Holy crud, the notification gods have smiled upon me. Happy Thursday
Your storytelling is so lovely!
It's interesting to think about what fashions from our current time will endure or come to personify our era. It often feels to me like there isn't as much of a unified "popular culture" so it's harder to see what will be carried into the future.
Please don't feel bad about taking care of yourself, Kaz. The amount of time and energy you put into your content is always apparent. I look forward to your videos, but I certainly wouldn't want you to ignore your health to put out content. I've been rewatching your older videos and don't mind waiting for new ones... there's so much density to your research. You are a treasure!
I'm gonna give you crazy props for getting in that outfit without a assistance. I did plays and school and ya had to wear a corset in 2 of them. I'm so happy to be able to watch a vid. Thank you😁
I am screaming I just discovered your channel and it is literally everything my heart desires - the aesthetics... the history.... yessssss
The part where you were filming outside was an especially nice touch Kaz. The very faint sounds of birds and the wind was so pleasant ♥
I love that you acknowledge that some of us listen without looking at the screen and made the quotes very clear. It’s super helpful! I listen to these at work
The world doesn't deserve the level of effort you put into your attire for these videos
Give 👏me👏more👏Edwardian👏drama👏 This is shaping up to be a great series!
You are probably one of the best storytellers on this platform
Wasn't really into the Gibson girl myself, saw her in passing mostly, but when you mentioned Sargent, that got me perked up! Can't wait for that one, gonna be a trip for sure. Keep up the great work, excited to see more!
An interesting thing, earlier this year I just saw a movie of Mabel Normand called “The Floor Below”, it was considered lost for a long time, but then found in the collection of a Dutch person by the Netherlands’ film institute, so when I saw it, the intertitles were in Dutch. It was a one-off screening about 80 minutes, I couldn’t remember her name, but when I saw her pictures in the video, I remember her performance was very alive and good.
I love how this is looped into today's iconic images. Seeing how ridiculous historic trends were helps to keep current beauty standards in perspective for me and is extremely good for my mental health. I hope you feel better!
You got me hooked on the last video about Gibson girls !!! Love your videos
The titanic background music be hittin different in this video 🔥
I stumbled across a drawing of a Black Edwardian woman by Gibson a few years back...I've no idea what his intention was behind making it (looks like it was drawn from life to me) and it doesn't seem to have been popular at the time. It's called "Well Dressed Woman"
I never knew about that.
Your second outfit is so cute!
I'm not even one minute in but I had to comment how beautiful this introduction is
Once again, a fantastic and extremely well-researched video, Kaz! I am an archaeologist who has specialised in the late 19th and early 20th century with a particular focus on women and LGBTAQ+ history and archaeology. So, needless to say, I love your videos! I can neither confirm nor deny whether seeing the Gibson Girls at a formative age determined my ambition to study this time period’s archaeology but I did use some of Gibson’s illustrations in my dissertation!
“Places to go, people to see, men to reject” my aro/ace ass is going to use that phrase everywhere now
I used to love like 17-18th century fashion, and I still do, but Gibson girl has quickly became my favourite era. I love the silhouette so much
Guess this means we’ve always had a Kardashians she was just called different things in different eras
For the victorians one 'kardashian' was Austro-Hungarian Empress Sisi. She is now seen as the 19th century's most famous eating disordered person with a bmi of 14-15 at certain point of her life ... some things really never change.
'something I touched on in my...' you said while talking about photo retouching. Unintended puns are the best.
This channel deserves way more views. Keep up the great videos.🙏🙏
Hope you feel better soon! Don't worry about having to put off part of the video for your physical and mental health. Take care of yourself! That's the most important thing. My wife and I look forward to your next video, and whenever you're able to tell the rest of the story!
The Gibson girl is truly an iconic look that if not emulated in modern fashion after the 1950s, is still somewhat appreciated. She is the standard that represents the era, easily recognized by almost every generation. Although Gibson himself didn't envision women of color and white women of low social standing as his ideal, I have several portraits of my African American ancestors in distinctly Gibson girl style hanging on the walls of my home. Gibson's writings, as you said, just make him sound...stupid.
Your content is always of such high quality and manages to scratch the special interest itch in my brain. Also I love how you always manage to look so [gender].
I love how well researched and interesting your videos are!!!
Your mouse's setup is so much fun, too!
I get so excited when you have new videos. Thank you!
This is so fast becoming my favorite YT channel of all time. Your content is amazing Kaz.
Glad i found this channel. I found an old gibson girl ring. I thought it was late victorian but now i know it is edwardian. I never knew about this fashion period and i subscribed to learn more.
Loved the realness with the outdoor segment…very abrupt but refreshing switch.
you know it's gonna be a good day when kaz uploads
I sense a Gibson girl series...I'd love that!
A very interesting and well researched video! I never really knew much about the Gibson Girls before, I thank you for bringing this subject to light! A fabulous video indeed!
I definely have a thing for the Edwardain style...especially artistic dress. It didn't last long but oh how I love it. I hope you are feeling better now.
it's interesting how the focus on college and particularly college age women as the source of all social ills has never gone away.
does anyone else struggle watching these videos and trying not to fall in love with Kaz… me neither 😳
love you Kaz, really appreciate all the work you do!!
all the love ❤️ from South Africa 🇿🇦
Love your take on Gibson/kardshion phases. Kudos.
I really enjoyed this video! Just wanted to say I think I've seen all of your videos now and I'm a big fan.
I sometimes channel the Gibson girl vibe when I do my hair... I have very long hair that is well suited to piling up loosely on one's head. Its cool to learn more about the history behind the image.
Excellent video! I've been watching bernadette banner recently, and was never super into historical fashion as a young person, but the more I get into it the more exciting it is. Love this deep dive :D
I am a simple woman I see kaz rowe, I click
I just found your channel… now am binging it all. Thanks!
I normally only find channels from other ppl I follow or direct searches, but the algorithm brought me here and I'm super glad!
Love the in depth history stuff, and esp relate to chronic illness and being in the stupid outside for my stupid mental health 💚
love your work and eagerly anticipate your deep dive into Mabel Normand. prithee photosynthesize your brilliant self as long as you need, wishing you a full recovery soon. :)
You're my favorite person on the internet!! Been binging your videos for days now, so it makes me happy to watch a new one along with everyone else :)
I've always liked this style, without knowing its name or history. Thank you for the education, and I hope you get to enjoy more time in the sun
Another awesome video. It's so interesting seeing one of the first almost-modern looks at a stylistic trend in woman's fashion and life-styling. I can certainly see the influence of the Gibson Girl in today's trends.
That Ross parking lot moment had me stifling laughter at work, thank u 4 that ❤❤
Can't stop thinking about that "Victoria's Secret" song 🤭
Great video, as always, dear Kaz!
Thank you! I enjoy the video! My wife's middle name is Gibson and because of that she has always adored all things Gibson Girl. Her dad, who's quite elderly now and had never said why he chose the name, finally confessed that he named her after his guitar.
As a BFA Illustration grad, it’s so cool to get a deeper history and context of the Gibson Girl than art history courses provided. I remember coming across the illustration of her sitting on the beach, and doing a master copy of it before I even knew what a master copy was or who she was. Glad to see you bringing more consciousness to the bigotry in visual art, love your work! The dressing in period fashion was a neat addition.
HI Kaz, thank you for that intro, was really nice to see your dedication to your videos with time appropriate fashion. It really lends credence to the stories you share.
“….so I’m out here photosynthesizing” same
i like the wall and collection behind you, fun stuff,also good video to learn about our dark history, love this stuff
Mental health, physical health, chronic illnesses, ughhh, feeling that acutely this month. 😔
Loved your video, another great one! ❤
Absolutely fascinating! Also that poor lady at the end, she just wants to read her damn book in peace.
I love the aesthetics of Kaz's videos sooo much
I was born less than a mile from where Irene Langhorne was (albeit 90 years apart). Thanks for this video. 🙂