I completely agree! Also, I feel like I can call myself an “industrial designer” to other designers... but for friends, family, the public etc. I need to use “product designer”, otherwise they think I design factories
Yeah, so true... I usually say I'm industrial designer who designs products and try to connect the two words together... it doesn't usually work. lol The word "Industrial" really trips people up. I think of the word "Industrial" as "Design for Industry or Industrial processes", which is ultimately how all physical product design is manufactured... rather than by the lone craftsman. Jimmy - I also like your choice of background music with this subject - it gave the video a playful feeling.. :)
I'm studying industrial design now... and so many people get the misconception that it is... mechanical engineering... or automotive engineering or designing exclusively for manufacturing. To some degree we do dip our feet into the water a little bit of each but.... we are DESIGNERS NOT ENGINEERS i was having a hard identity crisis with this and for a long time I thought i had chosen the wrong career. I like the more creative side of this field, design language, usability and brand identity. Who else has this problem identifying what we are good at and like within this broad field?
@@QUARTERMASTEREMI6 I'm studying graphic design, but ironically I want to switch to industrial design specifically for the opportunity to apply more engineering principles into my work. But I feel as though the magic of industrial design is in the mix of design and engineering, and the opportunity for the designer to really choose their areas of focus. Like some designers focus manufacturing technology or mechanical engineering, others focus on certain themes or graphical relationships, others have specific design styles, while some still prefer to emphasize unique or out of the box approaches to even the most straight forward of products. I love the fact the field is so open to people working their own way. Yes you will be job limited and industrial designer means a different thing to each employer, but the opportunities are always out there for the pure creatives; whether that means finding a startup (or making your own), or really getting your hooks into all the major companies you can to find out about more unique opportunities, or even getting your personal name and style out there (perhaps even as a youtuber or influencer) to attract ventures interested in what you specifically like to focus on. And then there is always freelancing. Also, 2 things I have heard is that: A: It never hurts to learn some engineering and manufacturing as that only assist in allowing you to bring your creativity to life and insuring the efficacy of your designs. and B: Industrial design means slightly different things in different countries, so some require more engineering than others and some require more mass manufacturing focus, so look up the design culture of different geo graphical locations to see if you are targeting the right places for your preferred work style. Also, different companies have different working cultures too so look up the design cultures of different companies, watch their recruiting videos if they have them (for example caterpillar likes to focus on "modern design techniques" and emphasizes the use of computers and things like VR sketching), and make a list of places where you thing you would fit well into the workflow.
hey, i’m currently in highschool (12th grade) and i’ve only done 2 years of science, can i still apply? in other words, how important is physics to apply to an industrial design degree?
I attended The Art Institute of Pittsburgh where I majored in Industrial Design Technology. In those classes we did a ton of marker rendering every quarter, we had classes in Product Design, Toy Design, Architectural Design, Special Effects Makeup Appliance Design, Automotive Design, and Prosthetic Design; all of these things are under the umbrella term, "Industrial Design," and some can be sub categories of one of the above such as Toy Design, Automotive Design, and Prosthetic Design could be under Product Design, though in our classes Toy Design was specifically about designing toys, while Product Design was about designing electronic devices such as camcorders, CD Players; and household appliances, tools, utensils, and furniture. We had to take at least 1 quarter in all of those design classes, then we could specialize in a specific design area, my specialty was Motion Picture Special Effects, so I took more of the makeup design classes and more Computer 3D Modeling and Animation classes than the Industrial Design students that were specializing in Automotive Design, Architectural Design, or Product Design, but we were all still Industrial Designers despite our specialties, we'd just pick on one another with names, the Automotive Designers would call us Special Effects Artists, "Rubber Heads," and we'd call them, "Bondo Brains." Industrial Design covers all of the above, but Industrial Design involves more than illustration, we had prototyping classes where we'd actually build a mock-up of our designs, these wouldn't be working models because an Industrial Designer generally isn't an Electrical or Electronic Engineer, but in the industry the work of the designer would then be handed off to an engineer to make it work. But we'd make model cars and put then in a wind tunnel to test their aerodynamics, we'd build miniature architectural models for the buildings we designed, and we'd make a life cast of other students to sculpt our special effects makeup designs on, then make a mold of that sculpture and cast it in either foam latex or silicon skin and apply it to the student we'd designed it for. So there's a lot of both 2D work and 3D work in Industrial Design, including 3D Computer Modeling and Animation for the purposes of showing how the finished design is supposed to work in the real world and also to be used in production for CNC equipment to mill or lathe out the pieces to make a working final product.
Connotations aside, there is a proper distinction between industrial and product design. In my own understanding, the clearest difference lies in this: systems thinking. Traditionally, product design has always been much about sheer styling and usability. This makes sense - since the industrial revolution, design has been at a constant dialogue with the industry, whether it is a conflict in ideology such as in the case of the arts and crafts movement, or a rationalized harmony with manufacturing like the German Werkbund. Design for style, usability, and manufacturing became a trend for the evolving industrialization of our world. However, in today's day and age, we no longer design products in silos. The design world has come to acknowledge the value of the user experience; bringing emotion, values, lifestyles, ideologies into the product. The process of which people do things now become the focal point - the abstract of our design now becomes the centerpiece. This is because design recognizes that while products and solutions may be obsoleted, needs remain timeless. And over time, the solution to these timeless needs manifest itself in different forms (which is touched on in the video in that products can be software too). Even in the design of products, we no longer look at the object itself; we look into its intangible experience, the service element to it, how it fits into our lifestyles, its integration with everything else, manufacturing life cycles, and what they represent in terms of values. A good common example is Apple. They don't simply design gadgets, they sell you a lifestyle. In that endeavor, they aim to make everything that we do interconnected and seamless. In order to do this, industrial designers must look at the system. All product designers should move into the field of industrial design, in the sense that they engage in a systems-level understanding of design (ensuring that the products follow suit). My personal take is that industrial designers, ironic to its title, are meant to bring back the context of humanity to an already heavily industrialized society.
"My personal take is that industrial designers, ironic to its title, are meant to bring back the context of humanity to an already heavily industrialized society." Amusing Follower -Superb !
Ha! Brilliantly written, but with your argument, it still completely works if you interchange both titles. Especially when you consider what Jimmy says about software as well, then Product Design would logically be the one that includes systems thinking. This is more the understanding in the UK, where Industrial Design is considered to be the narrower definition, including just the traditional core activities. But having been doing this for 26 years now, during which time I've heard many articulate arguments saying the same things about both terms... I've come to the conclusion they are completely interchangeable and Jimmy is spot on! The only real difference is more geographic, as basically UK and Europe lean towards Product Design, and US (and perhaps rest of the world) tend to favour Industrial Design. Any attempt at further deconstruction and you end up disappearing up a particular orifice... 🙂
I am currently studying "Product Design" at The Glasgow school of Art. I use the word product design loosely, as we don't see ourselves as what people would typically class as a product designer. We are taught about experiences and how these can be enhanced, more service designers if you want to label it. I am currently about to embark on a 4 month exchange on an "Industrial Design" course at RISD where the course heavily focuses on metal and woodwork etc which is what I tend to relate industrial to be. Basically in short, I see product design as a flexible interdisciplinary study where you focus on the experience instead of a physical object where as Industrial design is much more focused on aesthetics and the precision of designing high fidelity creations, but again, this is only my opinion from how I've been taught.
It is very interesting what you said. I look up too to the programs of Glasgow school of Art and I find them very good. It is possible if I can contact you to talk about your experience.
My goal is to study Product Design and Management at the University Of Liverpool. My goal is to be a proficient Product/Program manager. Do you have any advice for me?
Experience Design, Service Design, User Experience Design, User Interface Design, Interaction Design, Product Design, Industrial Design....All are interdisciplinary specialties that over lap depending on the technology and the user...
I dont agree, product design and industrial design are different. Industrial design also includes product design bit its just a tiny area within the study. Industrial Design is the right combination of being an engineer and designer, you care about physics, production, costs but also about functionalism, appealingness, human centered design. Whereas prpduct design orimarily focuses on the aesthetics of a product. Industrial Design is really a combination of business, engineering, psychology and art. As an industrial designer you know something about every aspect that is involved in solving a problem through a service or product, and that is what makes you a great team member to find the rifht solution to a problem in which al the important aspects of stakeholders are taken into account, because one subject is not better then the other. Everything is needed. So Industrial Design and Product Design are not just synonyms they are different fields.
Perfectly put. For designers, these are huge differences, but in order to explain to people outside of the field, it makes it easier to say product designer since "industrial" confuses people to think we design factories (more like what an industrial or manufacturing engineer would do)
In my uni we have 2 different courses Product Design Engineering (PDE) and Industrial Design Engineering (IDE) the differences between these two; IDE lean more toward the aesthetic of the product, how they look not so much on the function of the product. For PDE it's more toward the functionality of the product rather than the aesthetic value, PDE do alot more engineering design related rather than the design for aesthetic. I see the difference during final year project, for PDE we need to do research on how the product function and make an actual product, and for IDE just create new design and a simple mockup or prototype of the product.
I'm studying Product Design Engineering and can confirm this description. Product Design Engineering bridges the gap between product design and mechanical engineering.
We design products, which have got industrial applications, with functional advantages attaining through structures or structural modifications. So can we introduce ourselves as Industrial product designers?
Industrial designer works on thought to give solution to the problem to make life easy as a result a thing is created while a product designer designs specified product only.
In my opinion, "Product" is a widely word, not every product are physical, such as APPS; insurance contract; website etc. Industrial designer witch mean the people who design the industrial product.
I study industrial design in uni & basically the definition our faculty of ID is: "industrial designer designs products that have a technical component in it" and those products are also mass manufactured. Basically that kinda differentiates it from soft goods design. I think industrial design basically applies that human or user centered thinking or design thinking to industrial applications - its basically a soft side of engineering (and no, industrial designer doesn't need to be versed in maths or physics in order to be industrial designer - though you need to understand technology). In my uni our faculty also seems to stress a lot about the commercial & nontangible side of design (industrial design - service design (sometimes referred as industrial service design) & ui design/creative tech - we have a mixture of marketing, entrepreneurship & design management/strategic design courses (somewhat depending on individual choices). But this is just my opinion
hey, i’m currently in highschool (12th grade) and i’ve only done 2 years of science, can i still apply? in other words, how important is physics to apply to an industrial design degree?
Thank you! It's so hard to explain what I do...Industrial Design is...I don't know...underrated...the word Industrial really confuses people. Like...when I was looking for a job and company's saw the words Industrial Design, they always assumed I was some kind of engineer. So I always felt the need to say "I'm a product designer" so I could somehow feel accepted. Even if I know I can say both.
I'm in a college course for Design, and I am specializing in Industrial Design. The way I had it explained is that a Product Designer and an Industrial Designer are almost the same. But an Industrial Designer focuses on mass production of the product they have designed. It's designed for the largest possible audience/market and so aiming for trying to make this product suit so many people means that it will affect the design of your product. While a Product Designer can at times make a Product for a small specific market and be aiming to meet the needs for that specific audience, rather than a massive market which will mean that there is more specific details in the product the Product Designer is making as to try to solve a problem that small audience has. This is just how I understand it, I'm young and very possibly wrong, so if I am I'd loved to see what I am incorrect on and actually learn what I'm really getting a degree in 😂
To study Industrial Design, as I did, is a good way to approach the subject from a general point of view, and become versatile in the creative side, gaining experience with different kind of product, understanding the transversal principles and work methodology. Most likely, when we start working it will be in a specific industrial context, thus we start specializing in a particular sector or product.
I've seen the term Product Design used interchangeably with Mechanical Engineering and might be tied to Stanford's Product Design program that dates back to the 1950's and goes beyond ME by bringing in aspects of craftsmanship, personal expression, aesthetics and business concerns. However, I find hard core stress/strain type of ME's also coining the term Product Design as well as UI product managers now also using the term. As a long time Industrial Designer, I've seen management, clients, and HR people in some of the largest companies get all confused over this term. It's great seeing you bring this up.
In 1957 the Icsid chose "industrial design" as official term to be recognized by the UNESCO. In that file you can find a list with synonymous as: " product design (usa); Technical Aesthetics (URSS); Gestalter (germany); Artistes Décorateurs (france). So the name depends for the region in that time. But now the schools are very fused and have diverse backgrounds.
Jimmy you are so right about this. Both terms are interchangeable, and mean the same thing, perhaps with a geographic bias that means ID has come to be used more in the US and PD more in Europe over the last 30 years. Personally I studied engineering and then Industrial Design, but I decided to call myself a Product Designer because it's less confusing for non-designers, who always seemed to assume industrial design meant designing factories. So I find it amusing that whichever term people call themselves they tend to think that's the umbrella one that covers the whole sphere and the other term is a inferior subset of it. Wonderful example of ego at play. But design is design, and good design considers all aspects of a product, from it's commercial strategy through user experience to ensuring the intent is delivered profitably in manufacturing. But again you are right that, because 'product' is a less specific term, it's now being used by people designing digital or even financial services that people pay for, which is annoyingly confusing things. I even met a 'product designer' recently who was really a financial analyst for a bank creating their savings 'products'. Good grief.
When I started design school I also had the same opinion about the distinction between them. In some way, it's kind of a good thing to make it easier to clarify now: Digital vs Physical. I think we as industrial designer should give up calling ourself "product designers" from now on :D In Germany we still use both terms interchangeably in job listings..let's see for how long
when you type product designer for jobs, the listing will have things like ux designer and things with digital products, instead of physical products probably because there arent a lot of jobs for industrial design
Around here, a product designer is not concerned with how things are going to be made, they just want their design to be attractive and useful. An industrial designer makes the fixtures, assembly automation and plant workings and mechatronics to turn the product designers idea into something you can buy at the store and use.
And the irony is I've lost count of the number of times I've heard many 'Product Designer's' I work with saying exactly the same thing about Industrial Designers. For example Dyson hire 'product designers' to do everything, right through the chain to manufacturing continuity and QC. They split their teams into front end innovation (come up with stuff) and design/engineering (make it work), but move people around between the teams to give them rounded experience. And the funny thing is the designers often refer to the initial idea generation and styling as 'the industrial design' bit. So go figure, they're basically interchangeable terms.
In my opinion, Product design can mean mechanical engineer, UX, software developing, etc. It is a broad term. Industrial Design is much more specific.. although our field is changing and expanding.
Some Industrial Design Degree Programs cover Automotive and Transportation Design, while other schools have those two areas completely separate. There's been some Industrial Design Programs that also cover every aspect of fashion. To me a well rounded I/D will have the ability to design, automotive, dinnerware, toilets, shavers, toys, shoes, clothing and also have a really good understanding of Architecture etc.
In some companies, product design refers to mechanical engineers that work closely with industrial designers to make renderings into working mechanical designs that would be ready to manufacture.
YES , THIS IS VERY ANNOYING ACTUALLY > I AM AN INDUSTRIAL DESIGNER AND OF COURSE A product DESIGNER BUT THE PRODUCT DESIGN TERM HAS BEEN HIGHJACKED BY UX AND SOFTWARE DESIGN WORLD... Why can't they call themselves UX or Software designers ?
I've read an article that talks about how you need a degree specifically in the 'industrial design' category in order to work as an industrial designer at car companies like Tesla, BMW and Mercedes. However, I still think both product and industrial designers are the same. Is it okay to study product design when my ultimate goal is to design automobiles?
In Hungary, if you want to design cars or any kind of vehicle You can learn "industrial design engineering" on BSC training first and than you can go MSC or MA training where you can learn vehicle design and do projects with Mercedes. I would recommand you to find what kind of projects universitys make.
I would say that industrial design would be like the main one that englobes all the other categories, in fact some uni include term as industrial product design. But in reality is that product designer normally focus much more in the interaction of the user with the product(UCD), the necessities and final users. Some people say that a product designer normally make a product work for everyone(disable or with limitation included), and if work for this niche of market works for everyone, how many designs are not done for people with limitations, or force to use both hands. That's the main difference, industrial designer normally focus in appearance, functionality and manufacturing.
In Germany, we do not differentiate between industrial and product designers, but we have certain specialization areas, such as transportation design extra for car designers
In Holland we say Industrial product designer, with industrial referring to mass production by industry. Meaning that you design well thought high series products and not one off (art)pieces.
iam a mechanical engineer and am doing a ADVANCED DIPLOMA IN PRODUCT DESIGN course which covers (Autocad, creo , CATIA, ansys ,CFD..... 3D printing , etc) the biggest question is . what people will call me? an industrial designer or product designer????????🙄
From My point of view as an “object designer” and have seen into company’s in the industrial field, I would say the mindset on approaching tasks and thinking is a bit different. Industrial design tends to make life “better” and as the word says, produce in lager numbers, collaborating with the industry’s . Object design can go in a kinde art direction to reflect our society and its behavior, the objects sometimes are “useless” ore made hard to use, simply cause you want make people think. And this kinde of objects are mostly produced in small numbers by local factories and shops. However this means not, that someone can’t to one or another, i just think people would have to change their mindset depending on the task, what we usually do anyway but in this case a more specific.
In my practice industrial design means the creative and conceptual phase of designing and developing a product idea or something else which is intended to be physically produced while product design means a more detailed design including technical development of functions as sometimes it is equal with engineering. In my opinion the naming Konstrukteur in german can very well express the activity of industrialisation of creative designs without a full deeply engineering for manufacturing.
My major was named product design, and the teachers would argue that it was because we can work on things like handicrafts, diy projects, and even services, that are not necessarily industry related (as in factories and heavy machinery). But yeah, product for me is a more broad definition
Well ... you are right but i think none of these names are not true. I think ''Creative Designer'' could be better to explain what we do. because all of processes and tasks that we are involved with, are related to creativity and when you point to ''creativity'' it says all the story in a moment and it's not needed to say any more about the exact soul of this profession.
Good point, if you consider creativity (as I do) the skill to put together distant subjects and make them work together to create something new, and also the skill to propose solutions to solve practical problems (applied to product use).
I wanted to do product design but I wasnt accepted at uni ...I was however accepted for industrial design, it was more engineering and mechanics..it struggled with electronics and mechanics modules but loved the material science! I ended up dropping out but hope to revisit again one day (everyone who did the same course said it was basically PD but with less maths) ...we would always tell people PD as industrial is not well known and was easier to explain
Tnx a lot..I wanna be a designer as well no matter industrial or product 😂 And I did it 😎 I'm going to university in two weeks for to be an ID engineer.When I was a studying for exam I watched this video and it's motivated me so much thank u for everything. I will work for better 💁
It is an interesting topic and ridler terminology. Terminalogy is made to ease how we to understand something and differ one thing to another in words/ sentence. Where I work, in R&D division, there are 2 grup; engineering design and product design. Engineering design focus on technical properties & calculation & the cost. Product design focus on aesthetic & useability. This is a clear separation in factory with established and strict system. When I was in university, at that time, our program called Industrial Product Design. (Refer to my university terminology about product as product with aesthetic element which produce in production line in factory) We thought from sketching, rendering, ideation, ergonomy, material knowledge, color knowledge, arts & aesthetic theory, arts & design history, design trend, mock-up modeling, etc through basic mechanical, basic production process to produce product and basic costing. Our study last for 5 years (164 credits) at that time. Today, in my university Industrial Product Design program changed into Product design, and take 3.5 years to complete (135 credits). The difference between today (Product design) and that time (Industrial Product Design) is elimination of mechanical study and cost study (most of it). So for me, Industrial (Product) Design cover from head to tail of how design and make that design (2D and mockup) into product (prototype) plus knowledge how to produce it in production line process and do the costing. But the Product Design today only do concept building, ideation, design sketching, etc (and all theory to support aesthetic knowledge and useability) through mockup. Yes we all know today with all of this all kind of fluid information and expanding profession as well as programs in university, the understanding and terminology for industrial design and product design also (expand) mixing one into another. I think this ambiguity can be solved when school (scholar) and profesion association redefine it again (either they will remain with "that" definition or go to "new" definition).
I really had to laugh at the end, because there's such a big explanation and a long video, which could be have told short. But you got my full attention man, you made a good video and I understood the difference. Just had to laugh at the end :D
THis subject is at the crux of my business' marketing strategy. What if we threw the term "commercial design"? What sort of connotation does that have?
My Uni tutor said Industrial Design is Product Design but with more thought towards the finer details and technical drawings, kind of so it is ready to go to tooling. Not a hard-core engineer...not a pure conceptualist...a merge of both. That was 23 years ago though, you are right. Product Designer is often used for app dev and UX now as a term at least
I was/am high and drunk af and thought of "industrial design" for no reason and looked it up. I think I was just looking for someone to talk about the design of industrial buildings.
Especially in the software and internet industry people like to use generalized terms to define job titles, work fields or disciplines because they want to look more capable of doing something. I think this is a trend of self-promoting in tech business. Some honest people use it as "digital product" or "digital product designer" I think it's the right way. For example another one "User Experience Design" is also a field in industrial design but mostly occupied by software and internet industry. I think a person who designs the user experience of websites or mobile apps should define themselves as "digital ux designer" or something like that.
I did a degree in Industrial Design majored in Product Design while others in my class majored in Transportation Design. But I have noticed the same thing on job postings. Recently I came across a transportation design posting that said they are looking for a concept designer to design fuel efficient vehicles. So maybe its a case of individuals doing the posting not knowing what type of désigner they really need.
product design.. you've missed out services. a service can be a product. UX designers design services FOR APPS. apps are a service. services are products. industrial design does not focus on wide spectrum of all products. an industrial designer does not design services, they design the physicality of things. i hope i was clear in my words. reply to this if you think rather different.
Um, no. In a business sense, one sells products or services or some combination of both. In a design sense, one creates things which are physical/tangible or digital/intangible. All designers consider the user experience; be that for a product, structure, environment, application or system - it's what makes the design discipline different to engineering.
I'm studying product design engineering at university which focuses on science behind products as well as the humanistic element. It bridges the gap between mechanical engineering and product design. One of the modules is called Industrial design but it had the least science of all the modules, so still a little unsure.
hey, i’m currently in highschool (12th grade) and i’ve only done 2 years of science, can i still apply? in other words, how important is physics to apply to an industrial design degree?
This took me fucking 2 years to realize that hardware designers are called 'Industrial Designer'. I've listened all 900 podcasts on 'Product Design' and watched all the 1600 videos about product design on youtube :)
I'm studying product design in the industrial design department of art and design school. So I can say that the product design is industrial design and include all other directions like automotive furniture and other kind of industrial design
I think both could be, it depends on the university subjects and program. You have a clear goal in mind, so you can focus on that and find the better course that fit into it.
i have been jumping for both terms in my CV and Linkedin profile, but these days it seems for the general HRs and APP comapnies, we can´t really put product design there, because they will contact you for UX-UI jobs as you said Jimmy. My problem is that my BA called "Product design engineering" it was attractive for "industrial design" jobs, and should help to explain that i am more in the hardware or industrial design side but i still receive job offers for software :S what side to take?
That's true, the job industry is creating some confusion. It is necessary to be aware of the own competences and specialization and explain properly with presentations, CVs and portfolios.
Google the definition of the word PRODUCT and INDUSTRY afterwards you can deduce the difference what does a product designer and an industrial designer does.
Hello Jimmy Huynh, I think Industrial Design means not only to design physical products (which is the classical line of Industrial design) but we can also generate interaction and experiences for the user, sure a product designer is capable of doing awesome objects and are focused on then, like some specialization in product design, but we can generate also interaction with the user like BLT installations which require an user input to generate some kind of interaction in the object usually setting a goal like communication or teamwork between random people (experience through interaction), so yes, basically Industrial design is capable of many things but depending of what we focus we can put this labels into our profession. Regards
I’m going to be studying Product Design and Management MSc[ENG]. My goal is to be a proficient Product/Program Manager in a software/tech company. Will I be successful?
I've been teaching Design for 20 Years...My courses have had many names. I concluded on 3D designer and Maker. Designing 3D objects that fit specific uses? I still don't know the difference between product/industrial. Here in the Uk, we tend to use the word product. where in the states ...Industrial tends to be more popular. Good vid though!
Good explanation, most of the jobs nowadays mix the Product Design with UX Design, so it can be cumbersome to follow up what they meant with it. To be honest, I would ditch the naming and just say "Designer to help with [Industrial | Software] project". A tip, the music in behind is a bit annoying in my opinion, it was ok in the beginning for 10 seconds, after that it becomes redundant.
I am in the army and my contract will be over next year. I want to become a product designer. Just started sketching on my own. I don’t want a degree. I want a six month intense course. I am station in Italy at this time
I have a question, I currently have an associates degree in mechanical design. I have been thinking of getting my bachelors degree for industrial design. Would you say that it would be beneficial for me to have both? Would I be looking at a full 4 years for the bachelors or would my associates help?
You're setting yourself up to be a rock star with that plan. The combination of technical skills you learn from ME + Aesthetic and user experience skills you get from ID would be killer.
I’m a bit nervous since I’m a freshman in college in my industrial design program. I was told it’s just product design and I want to be a toy designer so I just hope I’m in the right place
hey, i’m currently in highschool (12th grade) and i’ve only done 2 years of science, can i still apply? in other words, how important is physics to apply to an industrial design degree?
@@ARTHURONESAI I know for the school I am going too it’s more the portfolio (mine was mainly character designing doodles and toys and sculptures I made) they look at as well as your SAT’s and high school grades (mind you I applied to my university in pre-Covid United States). I don’t think that the science classes were super important but depends on the college you plan on going to. Hope this answered your question!!
@@ARTHURONESAI see I was in the honors program in my hs and I was required to take bio, Chem and physics. It hasn’t really played a role in it yet though again I’m just going into my sophomore year. I also know however that Ap exams, if they’re accessible to you are a pretty good way to get ahead in college. I got a good grade on my English ap exam and I was able to skip a required writing class. So that’s another thing to keep in mind if possible
Product design term was hijacked by UX design. This annoys me no end...Because I feel that everything we know is not appreciated. UX designers...even worse that now you can do some half assed on line course to learn basically webdesign..Ask one of these freeloaders what -tolerances, draft angles, gates, shut lines, sprues are?..They wouldn't have any idea..and we can sketch and visualise beautiful objects/mechanical principles, and exterior forms, suited to human interaction and ergonomics too. So industrial Design would be my go-to term for what we do
I wouldn't care so much about this if I wasn't in this situation but.. I want to design things. Like things that people ask me for and exist and things that I can create. Should I choose product or industrial design? I'm afraid to choose the wrong one and end up on a job where I am not happy
Depends on what they're asking you for or what you can create. In general, product is 2D/graphics/digital...Industrial design is physical products you can hold.
Well... Thanks. But I still got one year to decide so I will try to talk with people that work in this jobs here in Portugal. It might have some differences on the process or something.
Once you are sure of which kind of product or things you like, and where are the industry districts where they are produced and sold...then you can choose the right course regardless how they call it.
I think that Industrial designer can be thought of as designer for mass scale, for one specific company specialising in one type or genre products, especially electronics etc. A product designer on the other hand is someone who is likely to be self-employed, with their own studio, doing one-off designs for many different companies and also more involved in hand-crafted or furniture items.
Interesting thought, but not accurate I am afraid. There are plenty of large commercial product design agencies and in-house product design teams and vice-versa.
hey, i’m currently in highschool (12th grade) and i’ve only done 2 years of science, can i still apply? in other words, how important is physics to apply to an industrial design degree
Ive never drawn. Im 39, and im on disability for ptsd. I had a para military job. I would love to become an industrial/product designer. Where would you suggest that i start. Realistically. (I also dont have a strong math backround. But i love to read.)
The confusion arises due to the word 'DESIGN'. Depending on the audience we are interacting with, they may immediately know what industrial design is vs. product 'design'. However, I'd like to bring some specific clarity: 'Product DESIGN' usually DOES refer to the aesthetics, usability, ergonomics, etc. of a product. It is pretty much equivalent to 'Industrial product DESIGN'. The other aspect, which OVERLAPS product or industrial design is 'PRODUCT ENGINEERING'. I am a mechanical engineer by profession, and I usually state that I design products. However, more specifically, I ENGINEER products to be manufacturable, functional, durable, etc. A lot of what PRODUCT ENGINEERING is has to do with the 'internal' details of a product (i.e., not externally visible), although we also 'engineer' the external materials, manufacturability, design for assembly, etc. To be clear, us mechanical engineers do a lot of DESIGN work, therefore we use said word frequently. It's just that we are DESIGNING other critical aspects that a typical non-technical audience is not familiar with. I am still okay stating that I 'design' products because I often find myself making aesthetic-type decisions, addressing usability, ergonomics, branding, etc. (that is the overlap I was referring to), AND I do a lot of 'DESIGN' engineering. Industrial or product DESIGNERs tend to focus on externals, aesthetics, usability, branding, etc., but ALSO are (or should be) knowledgeable of manufacturing and assembly processes, material selection, etc. We both DESIGN. I hope this helps :)
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Omg thank you!!!
Absolutely
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Agree. This should be written in the title.
I completely agree! Also, I feel like I can call myself an “industrial designer” to other designers... but for friends, family, the public etc. I need to use “product designer”, otherwise they think I design factories
Sam! DM me on my Instagram. Let's collab buddy.
Yeah, so true... I usually say I'm industrial designer who designs products and try to connect the two words together... it doesn't usually work. lol
The word "Industrial" really trips people up.
I think of the word "Industrial" as "Design for Industry or Industrial processes", which is ultimately how all physical product design is manufactured... rather than by the lone craftsman.
Jimmy - I also like your choice of background music with this subject - it gave the video a playful feeling.. :)
I vote for a video chat featuring Jimmy, Myrin, Sam and Morna. Do it people!
Me too its completely depends on the situation to explains
The same happens to me! It's just easier to say product designer sometimes...
I’m a stuff designer
hahaha
This seems to be the perfect word!!
I'm studying industrial design now... and so many people get the misconception that it is... mechanical engineering... or automotive engineering or designing exclusively for manufacturing. To some degree we do dip our feet into the water a little bit of each but.... we are DESIGNERS NOT ENGINEERS i was having a hard identity crisis with this and for a long time I thought i had chosen the wrong career. I like the more creative side of this field, design language, usability and brand identity. Who else has this problem identifying what we are good at and like within this broad field?
Easily explained to people by asking a rhetorical question: would they rather an architect or a structural engineer design their house?
May I know at which college you're studying Industrial design
I'm studying industrial design as well and honestly, I feel the same.
@@QUARTERMASTEREMI6 I'm studying graphic design, but ironically I want to switch to industrial design specifically for the opportunity to apply more engineering principles into my work. But I feel as though the magic of industrial design is in the mix of design and engineering, and the opportunity for the designer to really choose their areas of focus. Like some designers focus manufacturing technology or mechanical engineering, others focus on certain themes or graphical relationships, others have specific design styles, while some still prefer to emphasize unique or out of the box approaches to even the most straight forward of products. I love the fact the field is so open to people working their own way. Yes you will be job limited and industrial designer means a different thing to each employer, but the opportunities are always out there for the pure creatives; whether that means finding a startup (or making your own), or really getting your hooks into all the major companies you can to find out about more unique opportunities, or even getting your personal name and style out there (perhaps even as a youtuber or influencer) to attract ventures interested in what you specifically like to focus on. And then there is always freelancing.
Also, 2 things I have heard is that:
A: It never hurts to learn some engineering and manufacturing as that only assist in allowing you to bring your creativity to life and insuring the efficacy of your designs.
and B: Industrial design means slightly different things in different countries, so some require more engineering than others and some require more mass manufacturing focus, so look up the design culture of different geo graphical locations to see if you are targeting the right places for your preferred work style. Also, different companies have different working cultures too so look up the design cultures of different companies, watch their recruiting videos if they have them (for example caterpillar likes to focus on "modern design techniques" and emphasizes the use of computers and things like VR sketching), and make a list of places where you thing you would fit well into the workflow.
hey, i’m currently in highschool (12th grade) and i’ve only done 2 years of science, can i still apply? in other words, how important is physics to apply to an industrial design degree?
I attended The Art Institute of Pittsburgh where I majored in Industrial Design Technology. In those classes we did a ton of marker rendering every quarter, we had classes in Product Design, Toy Design, Architectural Design, Special Effects Makeup Appliance Design, Automotive Design, and Prosthetic Design; all of these things are under the umbrella term, "Industrial Design," and some can be sub categories of one of the above such as Toy Design, Automotive Design, and Prosthetic Design could be under Product Design, though in our classes Toy Design was specifically about designing toys, while Product Design was about designing electronic devices such as camcorders, CD Players; and household appliances, tools, utensils, and furniture.
We had to take at least 1 quarter in all of those design classes, then we could specialize in a specific design area, my specialty was Motion Picture Special Effects, so I took more of the makeup design classes and more Computer 3D Modeling and Animation classes than the Industrial Design students that were specializing in Automotive Design, Architectural Design, or Product Design, but we were all still Industrial Designers despite our specialties, we'd just pick on one another with names, the Automotive Designers would call us Special Effects Artists, "Rubber Heads," and we'd call them, "Bondo Brains."
Industrial Design covers all of the above, but Industrial Design involves more than illustration, we had prototyping classes where we'd actually build a mock-up of our designs, these wouldn't be working models because an Industrial Designer generally isn't an Electrical or Electronic Engineer, but in the industry the work of the designer would then be handed off to an engineer to make it work. But we'd make model cars and put then in a wind tunnel to test their aerodynamics, we'd build miniature architectural models for the buildings we designed, and we'd make a life cast of other students to sculpt our special effects makeup designs on, then make a mold of that sculpture and cast it in either foam latex or silicon skin and apply it to the student we'd designed it for. So there's a lot of both 2D work and 3D work in Industrial Design, including 3D Computer Modeling and Animation for the purposes of showing how the finished design is supposed to work in the real world and also to be used in production for CNC equipment to mill or lathe out the pieces to make a working final product.
Industrial Design = Product Design + Engineering
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Really good analogy! Thanks mate!
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Couldn’t be more wrong
@@donk3ysmash how is it wrong, care to explain?
Bro it took you a lifetime to explain it
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Connotations aside, there is a proper distinction between industrial and product design. In my own understanding, the clearest difference lies in this: systems thinking. Traditionally, product design has always been much about sheer styling and usability. This makes sense - since the industrial revolution, design has been at a constant dialogue with the industry, whether it is a conflict in ideology such as in the case of the arts and crafts movement, or a rationalized harmony with manufacturing like the German Werkbund. Design for style, usability, and manufacturing became a trend for the evolving industrialization of our world.
However, in today's day and age, we no longer design products in silos. The design world has come to acknowledge the value of the user experience; bringing emotion, values, lifestyles, ideologies into the product. The process of which people do things now become the focal point - the abstract of our design now becomes the centerpiece. This is because design recognizes that while products and solutions may be obsoleted, needs remain timeless. And over time, the solution to these timeless needs manifest itself in different forms (which is touched on in the video in that products can be software too). Even in the design of products, we no longer look at the object itself; we look into its intangible experience, the service element to it, how it fits into our lifestyles, its integration with everything else, manufacturing life cycles, and what they represent in terms of values.
A good common example is Apple. They don't simply design gadgets, they sell you a lifestyle. In that endeavor, they aim to make everything that we do interconnected and seamless. In order to do this, industrial designers must look at the system. All product designers should move into the field of industrial design, in the sense that they engage in a systems-level understanding of design (ensuring that the products follow suit). My personal take is that industrial designers, ironic to its title, are meant to bring back the context of humanity to an already heavily industrialized society.
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Ha! Brilliantly written, but with your argument, it still completely works if you interchange both titles. Especially when you consider what Jimmy says about software as well, then Product Design would logically be the one that includes systems thinking.
This is more the understanding in the UK, where Industrial Design is considered to be the narrower definition, including just the traditional core activities.
But having been doing this for 26 years now, during which time I've heard many articulate arguments saying the same things about both terms... I've come to the conclusion they are completely interchangeable and Jimmy is spot on! The only real difference is more geographic, as basically UK and Europe lean towards Product Design, and US (and perhaps rest of the world) tend to favour Industrial Design. Any attempt at further deconstruction and you end up disappearing up a particular orifice... 🙂
so whats an example of product design in apple?
I am currently studying "Product Design" at The Glasgow school of Art. I use the word product design loosely, as we don't see ourselves as what people would typically class as a product designer. We are taught about experiences and how these can be enhanced, more service designers if you want to label it. I am currently about to embark on a 4 month exchange on an "Industrial Design" course at RISD where the course heavily focuses on metal and woodwork etc which is what I tend to relate industrial to be. Basically in short, I see product design as a flexible interdisciplinary study where you focus on the experience instead of a physical object where as Industrial design is much more focused on aesthetics and the precision of designing high fidelity creations, but again, this is only my opinion from how I've been taught.
It is very interesting what you said. I look up too to the programs of Glasgow school of Art and I find them very good. It is possible if I can contact you to talk about your experience.
My goal is to study Product Design and Management at the University Of Liverpool. My goal is to be a proficient Product/Program manager. Do you have any advice for me?
Experience Design, Service Design, User Experience Design, User Interface Design, Interaction Design, Product Design, Industrial Design....All are interdisciplinary specialties that over lap depending on the technology and the user...
I dont agree, product design and industrial design are different. Industrial design also includes product design bit its just a tiny area within the study. Industrial Design is the right combination of being an engineer and designer, you care about physics, production, costs but also about functionalism, appealingness, human centered design. Whereas prpduct design orimarily focuses on the aesthetics of a product. Industrial Design is really a combination of business, engineering, psychology and art. As an industrial designer you know something about every aspect that is involved in solving a problem through a service or product, and that is what makes you a great team member to find the rifht solution to a problem in which al the important aspects of stakeholders are taken into account, because one subject is not better then the other. Everything is needed. So Industrial Design and Product Design are not just synonyms they are different fields.
Thanks for sharing mah man!
Agreed 100%
Indeed, Product Design is a subset of Industrial Design. This explanation is given in William Lidwell's Universal Principles of Design.
Agree
Perfectly put. For designers, these are huge differences, but in order to explain to people outside of the field, it makes it easier to say product designer since "industrial" confuses people to think we design factories (more like what an industrial or manufacturing engineer would do)
In my uni we have 2 different courses Product Design Engineering (PDE) and Industrial Design Engineering (IDE) the differences between these two;
IDE lean more toward the aesthetic of the product, how they look not so much on the function of the product.
For PDE it's more toward the functionality of the product rather than the aesthetic value, PDE do alot more engineering design related rather than the design for aesthetic. I see the difference during final year project, for PDE we need to do research on how the product function and make an actual product, and for IDE just create new design and a simple mockup or prototype of the product.
Sounds weird.....
I'm studying Product Design Engineering and can confirm this description. Product Design Engineering bridges the gap between product design and mechanical engineering.
@@ishmael4489 bro may i know that product design and mechanical design engineering is same or different?
Where university you studied? I want learn how to sketch or draw, i have talent to designing things but the problem is i can't sketch or draw
We design products, which have got industrial applications, with functional advantages attaining through structures or structural modifications.
So can we introduce ourselves as Industrial product designers?
Industrial designer works on thought to give solution to the problem to make life easy as a result a thing is created while a product designer designs specified product only.
In my opinion, "Product" is a widely word, not every product are physical, such as APPS; insurance contract; website etc. Industrial designer witch mean the people who design the industrial product.
I study industrial design in uni & basically the definition our faculty of ID is: "industrial designer designs products that have a technical component in it" and those products are also mass manufactured. Basically that kinda differentiates it from soft goods design. I think industrial design basically applies that human or user centered thinking or design thinking to industrial applications - its basically a soft side of engineering (and no, industrial designer doesn't need to be versed in maths or physics in order to be industrial designer - though you need to understand technology).
In my uni our faculty also seems to stress a lot about the commercial & nontangible side of design (industrial design - service design (sometimes referred as industrial service design) & ui design/creative tech - we have a mixture of marketing, entrepreneurship & design management/strategic design courses (somewhat depending on individual choices).
But this is just my opinion
hey, i’m currently in highschool (12th grade) and i’ve only done 2 years of science, can i still apply? in other words, how important is physics to apply to an industrial design degree?
Thank you!
It's so hard to explain what I do...Industrial Design is...I don't know...underrated...the word Industrial really confuses people. Like...when I was looking for a job and company's saw the words Industrial Design, they always assumed I was some kind of engineer. So I always felt the need to say "I'm a product designer" so I could somehow feel accepted. Even if I know I can say both.
Maybe product design should be split into hardware and software so when companies ask for product designers they put software as a subheading 🤔
In the netherlands we call it ‘industrieel product ontwerpen’ wich means industrial product design’
I'm in a college course for Design, and I am specializing in Industrial Design. The way I had it explained is that a Product Designer and an Industrial Designer are almost the same. But an Industrial Designer focuses on mass production of the product they have designed. It's designed for the largest possible audience/market and so aiming for trying to make this product suit so many people means that it will affect the design of your product. While a Product Designer can at times make a Product for a small specific market and be aiming to meet the needs for that specific audience, rather than a massive market which will mean that there is more specific details in the product the Product Designer is making as to try to solve a problem that small audience has. This is just how I understand it, I'm young and very possibly wrong, so if I am I'd loved to see what I am incorrect on and actually learn what I'm really getting a degree in 😂
To study Industrial Design, as I did, is a good way to approach the subject from a general point of view, and become versatile in the creative side, gaining experience with different kind of product, understanding the transversal principles and work methodology. Most likely, when we start working it will be in a specific industrial context, thus we start specializing in a particular sector or product.
I've seen the term Product Design used interchangeably with Mechanical Engineering and might be tied to Stanford's Product Design program that dates back to the 1950's and goes beyond ME by bringing in aspects of craftsmanship, personal expression, aesthetics and business concerns. However, I find hard core stress/strain type of ME's also coining the term Product Design as well as UI product managers now also using the term. As a long time Industrial Designer, I've seen management, clients, and HR people in some of the largest companies get all confused over this term. It's great seeing you bring this up.
In 1957 the Icsid chose "industrial design" as official term to be recognized by the UNESCO. In that file you can find a list with synonymous as: "
product design (usa); Technical Aesthetics (URSS); Gestalter (germany); Artistes Décorateurs (france). So the name depends for the region in that time. But now the schools are very fused and have diverse backgrounds.
interesting info, thanks
Jimmy you are so right about this. Both terms are interchangeable, and mean the same thing, perhaps with a geographic bias that means ID has come to be used more in the US and PD more in Europe over the last 30 years.
Personally I studied engineering and then Industrial Design, but I decided to call myself a Product Designer because it's less confusing for non-designers, who always seemed to assume industrial design meant designing factories.
So I find it amusing that whichever term people call themselves they tend to think that's the umbrella one that covers the whole sphere and the other term is a inferior subset of it. Wonderful example of ego at play. But design is design, and good design considers all aspects of a product, from it's commercial strategy through user experience to ensuring the intent is delivered profitably in manufacturing.
But again you are right that, because 'product' is a less specific term, it's now being used by people designing digital or even financial services that people pay for, which is annoyingly confusing things. I even met a 'product designer' recently who was really a financial analyst for a bank creating their savings 'products'. Good grief.
When I started design school I also had the same opinion about the distinction between them. In some way, it's kind of a good thing to make it easier to clarify now: Digital vs Physical. I think we as industrial designer should give up calling ourself "product designers" from now on :D In Germany we still use both terms interchangeably in job listings..let's see for how long
You studies industrial design in Germany? Which university?
when you type product designer for jobs, the listing will have things like ux designer and things with digital products, instead of physical products probably because there arent a lot of jobs for industrial design
Around here, a product designer is not concerned with how things are going to be made, they just want their design to be attractive and useful. An industrial designer makes the fixtures, assembly automation and plant workings and mechatronics to turn the product designers idea into something you can buy at the store and use.
And the irony is I've lost count of the number of times I've heard many 'Product Designer's' I work with saying exactly the same thing about Industrial Designers.
For example Dyson hire 'product designers' to do everything, right through the chain to manufacturing continuity and QC. They split their teams into front end innovation (come up with stuff) and design/engineering (make it work), but move people around between the teams to give them rounded experience. And the funny thing is the designers often refer to the initial idea generation and styling as 'the industrial design' bit.
So go figure, they're basically interchangeable terms.
In my opinion, Product design can mean mechanical engineer, UX, software developing, etc. It is a broad term. Industrial Design is much more specific.. although our field is changing and expanding.
Some Industrial Design Degree Programs cover Automotive and Transportation Design, while other schools have those two areas completely separate. There's been some Industrial Design Programs that also cover every aspect of fashion. To me a well rounded I/D will have the ability to design, automotive, dinnerware, toilets, shavers, toys, shoes, clothing and also have a really good understanding of Architecture etc.
Preach to the choir brotha!!! Product designer here, and I do more industrial design stuff. I have done very little ux designing
What’s it like ?
-people can't understand me when i say i'm a graphic designer .. they think that i make video games or something
In some companies, product design refers to mechanical engineers that work closely with industrial designers to make renderings into working mechanical designs that would be ready to manufacture.
YES , THIS IS VERY ANNOYING ACTUALLY > I AM AN INDUSTRIAL DESIGNER AND OF COURSE A product DESIGNER BUT THE PRODUCT DESIGN TERM HAS BEEN HIGHJACKED BY UX AND SOFTWARE DESIGN WORLD... Why can't they call themselves UX or Software designers ?
I've read an article that talks about how you need a degree specifically in the 'industrial design' category in order to work as an industrial designer at car companies like Tesla, BMW and Mercedes. However, I still think both product and industrial designers are the same. Is it okay to study product design when my ultimate goal is to design automobiles?
In Hungary, if you want to design cars or any kind of vehicle You can learn "industrial design engineering" on BSC training first and than you can go MSC or MA training where you can learn vehicle design and do projects with Mercedes.
I would recommand you to find what kind of projects universitys make.
@@FunnerKanag That's amazing! Thank you for the info
I think transportation design would be what you want
I would say that industrial design would be like the main one that englobes all the other categories, in fact some uni include term as industrial product design. But in reality is that product designer normally focus much more in the interaction of the user with the product(UCD), the necessities and final users. Some people say that a product designer normally make a product work for everyone(disable or with limitation included), and if work for this niche of market works for everyone, how many designs are not done for people with limitations, or force to use both hands. That's the main difference, industrial designer normally focus in appearance, functionality and manufacturing.
In Germany, we do not differentiate between industrial and product designers, but we have certain specialization areas, such as transportation design extra for car designers
Totally agree...we can also say that industrial design is like an umbrella in which product design comes including other designs.
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I know right...geez he talks so slow
@@JimmyHuynhdesign I also love that your sense of humor and self is at 1.5x. ;). Keep it up!
In Holland we say Industrial product designer, with industrial referring to mass production by industry. Meaning that you design well thought high series products and not one off (art)pieces.
Well that's weird because I study industrial design and I have many courses that focus on digital stuff and software as well.
Wow I have never felt more at home with what your saying. I would not be surprised if our paths cross in the future.
Great video! Can’t wait for the next sketching vid
iam a mechanical engineer and am doing a ADVANCED DIPLOMA IN PRODUCT DESIGN course which covers (Autocad, creo , CATIA, ansys ,CFD..... 3D printing , etc)
the biggest question is
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what people will call me?
an industrial designer or product designer????????🙄
From My point of view as an “object designer” and have seen into company’s in the industrial field, I would say the mindset on approaching tasks and thinking is a bit different. Industrial design tends to make life “better” and as the word says, produce in lager numbers, collaborating with the industry’s . Object design can go in a kinde art direction to reflect our society and its behavior, the objects sometimes are “useless” ore made hard to use, simply cause you want make people think. And this kinde of objects are mostly produced in small numbers by local factories and shops. However this means not, that someone can’t to one or another, i just think people would have to change their mindset depending on the task, what we usually do anyway but in this case a more specific.
I totally agree with this simple but effective explanation
In my practice industrial design means the creative and conceptual phase of designing and developing a product idea or something else which is intended to be physically produced while product design means a more detailed design including technical development of functions as sometimes it is equal with engineering. In my opinion the naming Konstrukteur in german can very well express the activity of industrialisation of creative designs without a full deeply engineering for manufacturing.
My major was named product design, and the teachers would argue that it was because we can work on things like handicrafts, diy projects, and even services, that are not necessarily industry related (as in factories and heavy machinery). But yeah, product for me is a more broad definition
Well ... you are right but i think none of these names are not true. I think ''Creative Designer'' could be better to explain what we do. because all of processes and tasks that we are involved with, are related to creativity and when you point to ''creativity'' it says all the story in a moment and it's not needed to say any more about the exact soul of this profession.
Good point, if you consider creativity (as I do) the skill to put together distant subjects and make them work together to create something new, and also the skill to propose solutions to solve practical problems (applied to product use).
Keeping it fresh as always
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Found you 😁 in your description it's "huynhea5d", but I had to take off the "ea5d." Excellent work/portfolio😎
@@lmc1786 ahh good to know! Thank you.
I wanted to do product design but I wasnt accepted at uni ...I was however accepted for industrial design, it was more engineering and mechanics..it struggled with electronics and mechanics modules but loved the material science! I ended up dropping out but hope to revisit again one day (everyone who did the same course said it was basically PD but with less maths) ...we would always tell people PD as industrial is not well known and was easier to explain
Thats EXACTLY what I’ve been seeing in jobs websites hahaha
Tnx a lot..I wanna be a designer as well no matter industrial or product 😂
And I did it 😎 I'm going to university in two weeks for to be an ID engineer.When I was a studying for exam I watched this video and it's motivated me so much thank u for everything. I will work for better 💁
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It is an interesting topic and ridler terminology. Terminalogy is made to ease how we to understand something and differ one thing to another in words/ sentence. Where I work, in R&D division, there are 2 grup; engineering design and product design. Engineering design focus on technical properties & calculation & the cost. Product design focus on aesthetic & useability. This is a clear separation in factory with established and strict system. When I was in university, at that time, our program called Industrial Product Design. (Refer to my university terminology about product as product with aesthetic element which produce in production line in factory) We thought from sketching, rendering, ideation, ergonomy, material knowledge, color knowledge, arts & aesthetic theory, arts & design history, design trend, mock-up modeling, etc through basic mechanical, basic production process to produce product and basic costing. Our study last for 5 years (164 credits) at that time. Today, in my university Industrial Product Design program changed into Product design, and take 3.5 years to complete (135 credits). The difference between today (Product design) and that time (Industrial Product Design) is elimination of mechanical study and cost study (most of it). So for me, Industrial (Product) Design cover from head to tail of how design and make that design (2D and mockup) into product (prototype) plus knowledge how to produce it in production line process and do the costing. But the Product Design today only do concept building, ideation, design sketching, etc (and all theory to support aesthetic knowledge and useability) through mockup. Yes we all know today with all of this all kind of fluid information and expanding profession as well as programs in university, the understanding and terminology for industrial design and product design also (expand) mixing one into another. I think this ambiguity can be solved when school (scholar) and profesion association redefine it again (either they will remain with "that" definition or go to "new" definition).
I really had to laugh at the end, because there's such a big explanation and a long video, which could be have told short. But you got my full attention man, you made a good video and I understood the difference. Just had to laugh at the end :D
I thought Product design was software and apps part UX designer
Industrial designer is 3D/2d Models, Physcial product design
THis subject is at the crux of my business' marketing strategy. What if we threw the term "commercial design"? What sort of connotation does that have?
My Uni tutor said Industrial Design is Product Design but with more thought towards the finer details and technical drawings, kind of so it is ready to go to tooling. Not a hard-core engineer...not a pure conceptualist...a merge of both. That was 23 years ago though, you are right. Product Designer is often used for app dev and UX now as a term at least
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I was/am high and drunk af and thought of "industrial design" for no reason and looked it up. I think I was just looking for someone to talk about the design of industrial buildings.
LOL i know right...
Especially in the software and internet industry people like to use generalized terms to define job titles, work fields or disciplines because they want to look more capable of doing something. I think this is a trend of self-promoting in tech business. Some honest people use it as "digital product" or "digital product designer" I think it's the right way. For example another one "User Experience Design" is also a field in industrial design but mostly occupied by software and internet industry. I think a person who designs the user experience of websites or mobile apps should define themselves as "digital ux designer" or something like that.
It’s to late for someone to learn industrial but hope to make a new video about how to hire an industrial designers fresh graduates
I think industrial design include design manifacturing steps for the product too
Over here Industrial Design is like the Genre consisting of sub genres namely transportation and product design.
I did a degree in Industrial Design majored in Product Design while others in my class majored in Transportation Design. But I have noticed the same thing on job postings. Recently I came across a transportation design posting that said they are looking for a concept designer to design fuel efficient vehicles. So maybe its a case of individuals doing the posting not knowing what type of désigner they really need.
Thank god !!! Play back speed option is available , so imade use of ...
Its not slow, you're just a fast thinker! :P
Finally someone explain it. Thank you
Ohhh right I'm new to this channel and your videos but I'm really loving it at the moment
product design.. you've missed out services. a service can be a product. UX designers design services FOR APPS. apps are a service. services are products.
industrial design does not focus on wide spectrum of all products. an industrial designer does not design services, they design the physicality of things.
i hope i was clear in my words. reply to this if you think rather different.
Um, no.
In a business sense, one sells products or services or some combination of both. In a design sense, one creates things which are physical/tangible or digital/intangible. All designers consider the user experience; be that for a product, structure, environment, application or system - it's what makes the design discipline different to engineering.
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I'm studying product design engineering at university which focuses on science behind products as well as the humanistic element. It bridges the gap between mechanical engineering and product design. One of the modules is called Industrial design but it had the least science of all the modules, so still a little unsure.
hey, i’m currently in highschool (12th grade) and i’ve only done 2 years of science, can i still apply? in other words, how important is physics to apply to an industrial design degree?
Very well explained ,
keep it up bro!
This took me fucking 2 years to realize that hardware designers are called 'Industrial Designer'. I've listened all 900 podcasts on 'Product Design' and watched all the 1600 videos about product design on youtube :)
Thank u sir it's more interested for us..
I'm studying product design in the industrial design department of art and design school. So I can say that the product design is industrial design and include all other directions like automotive furniture and other kind of industrial design
Ill make it work ready myself for myself architect
Question: I want to design phones, laptops and other tech stuff, so which one should I do?
I am thinking product design.
I think both could be, it depends on the university subjects and program. You have a clear goal in mind, so you can focus on that and find the better course that fit into it.
@@ginopillon I also thought that, Thank you for replying 😌
i have been jumping for both terms in my CV and Linkedin profile, but these days it seems for the general HRs and APP comapnies, we can´t really put product design there, because they will contact you for UX-UI jobs as you said Jimmy.
My problem is that my BA called "Product design engineering" it was attractive for "industrial design" jobs, and should help to explain that i am more in the hardware or industrial design side but i still receive job offers for software :S what side to take?
That's true, the job industry is creating some confusion. It is necessary to be aware of the own competences and specialization and explain properly with presentations, CVs and portfolios.
Agree, but why product means UX designers now??.... Maybe whom post the job description could answer this?
Google the definition of the word PRODUCT and INDUSTRY afterwards you can deduce the difference what does a product designer and an industrial designer does.
I'm perfect using it myself
Where are the best place to study an product design or industrial design whatever.
Hello Jimmy Huynh, I think Industrial Design means not only to design physical products (which is the classical line of Industrial design) but we can also generate interaction and experiences for the user, sure a product designer is capable of doing awesome objects and are focused on then, like some specialization in product design, but we can generate also interaction with the user like BLT installations which require an user input to generate some kind of interaction in the object usually setting a goal like communication or teamwork between random people (experience through interaction), so yes, basically Industrial design is capable of many things but depending of what we focus we can put this labels into our profession. Regards
Good work done 👊
Industrial design = efficiency for mass production .
Product design = single or limited edition.
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I’m going to be studying Product Design and Management MSc[ENG]. My goal is to be a proficient Product/Program Manager in a software/tech company. Will I be successful?
I've been teaching Design for 20 Years...My courses have had many names. I concluded on 3D designer and Maker. Designing 3D objects that fit specific uses? I still don't know the difference between product/industrial. Here in the Uk, we tend to use the word product. where in the states ...Industrial tends to be more popular. Good vid though!
Good explanation, most of the jobs nowadays mix the Product Design with UX Design, so it can be cumbersome to follow up what they meant with it. To be honest, I would ditch the naming and just say "Designer to help with [Industrial | Software] project".
A tip, the music in behind is a bit annoying in my opinion, it was ok in the beginning for 10 seconds, after that it becomes redundant.
I enjoy your videos man
I enjoy your comments man
I am in the army and my contract will be over next year. I want to become a product designer. Just started sketching on my own. I don’t want a degree. I want a six month intense course. I am station in Italy at this time
Any advice? For me please ?
I have a question, I currently have an associates degree in mechanical design. I have been thinking of getting my bachelors degree for industrial design. Would you say that it would be beneficial for me to have both? Would I be looking at a full 4 years for the bachelors or would my associates help?
You're setting yourself up to be a rock star with that plan. The combination of technical skills you learn from ME + Aesthetic and user experience skills you get from ID would be killer.
I’m a bit nervous since I’m a freshman in college in my industrial design program. I was told it’s just product design and I want to be a toy designer so I just hope I’m in the right place
hey, i’m currently in highschool (12th grade) and i’ve only done 2 years of science, can i still apply? in other words, how important is physics to apply to an industrial design degree?
@@ARTHURONESAI I know for the school I am going too it’s more the portfolio (mine was mainly character designing doodles and toys and sculptures I made) they look at as well as your SAT’s and high school grades (mind you I applied to my university in pre-Covid United States). I don’t think that the science classes were super important but depends on the college you plan on going to. Hope this answered your question!!
@@catttperson8211 ahhh, okay i seee, just curious- how many years of science in highschool did you take?
@@ARTHURONESAI see I was in the honors program in my hs and I was required to take bio, Chem and physics. It hasn’t really played a role in it yet though again I’m just going into my sophomore year. I also know however that Ap exams, if they’re accessible to you are a pretty good way to get ahead in college. I got a good grade on my English ap exam and I was able to skip a required writing class. So that’s another thing to keep in mind if possible
I've heard that industrial design includes mainly two fields: Product design and Transportation design
Is it true Jimmy?
Product design term was hijacked by UX design. This annoys me no end...Because I feel that everything we know is not appreciated. UX designers...even worse that now you can do some half assed on line course to learn basically webdesign..Ask one of these freeloaders what -tolerances, draft angles, gates, shut lines, sprues are?..They wouldn't have any idea..and we can sketch and visualise beautiful objects/mechanical principles, and exterior forms, suited to human interaction and ergonomics too. So industrial Design would be my go-to term for what we do
I’m a interior designer ...industrial designer ... I m thinking about products and space
I wouldn't care so much about this if I wasn't in this situation but.. I want to design things. Like things that people ask me for and exist and things that I can create. Should I choose product or industrial design? I'm afraid to choose the wrong one and end up on a job where I am not happy
Depends on what they're asking you for or what you can create. In general, product is 2D/graphics/digital...Industrial design is physical products you can hold.
@@JimmyHuynhdesign Im more into fisic objects. Creating innovating gadgets and stuff
@@Arantes553 Sounds like you're like me. A consumer electronics designer. Industrial design it is!
Well... Thanks. But I still got one year to decide so I will try to talk with people that work in this jobs here in Portugal. It might have some differences on the process or something.
Once you are sure of which kind of product or things you like, and where are the industry districts where they are produced and sold...then you can choose the right course regardless how they call it.
I think that Industrial designer can be thought of as designer for mass scale, for one specific company specialising in one type or genre products, especially electronics etc. A product designer on the other hand is someone who is likely to be self-employed, with their own studio, doing one-off designs for many different companies and also more involved in hand-crafted or furniture items.
Interesting thought, but not accurate I am afraid. There are plenty of large commercial product design agencies and in-house product design teams and vice-versa.
@@AndrewRedman01 That's fair. I suppose it depends most on the course content and the university, rather than the title.
Industrial design more technical things, product design more creative In term of hardware, thats what i feel hahaha
I’m studying to be an industrial Designer ☺️
hey, i’m currently in highschool (12th grade) and i’ve only done 2 years of science, can i still apply? in other words, how important is physics to apply to an industrial design degree
Ive never drawn. Im 39, and im on disability for ptsd. I had a para military job. I would love to become an industrial/product designer. Where would you suggest that i start. Realistically. (I also dont have a strong math backround. But i love to read.)
The confusion arises due to the word 'DESIGN'. Depending on the audience we are interacting with, they may immediately know what industrial design is vs. product 'design'. However, I'd like to bring some specific clarity: 'Product DESIGN' usually DOES refer to the aesthetics, usability, ergonomics, etc. of a product. It is pretty much equivalent to 'Industrial product DESIGN'. The other aspect, which OVERLAPS product or industrial design is 'PRODUCT ENGINEERING'. I am a mechanical engineer by profession, and I usually state that I design products. However, more specifically, I ENGINEER products to be manufacturable, functional, durable, etc. A lot of what PRODUCT ENGINEERING is has to do with the 'internal' details of a product (i.e., not externally visible), although we also 'engineer' the external materials, manufacturability, design for assembly, etc. To be clear, us mechanical engineers do a lot of DESIGN work, therefore we use said word frequently. It's just that we are DESIGNING other critical aspects that a typical non-technical audience is not familiar with.
I am still okay stating that I 'design' products because I often find myself making aesthetic-type decisions, addressing usability, ergonomics, branding, etc. (that is the overlap I was referring to), AND I do a lot of 'DESIGN' engineering. Industrial or product DESIGNERs tend to focus on externals, aesthetics, usability, branding, etc., but ALSO are (or should be) knowledgeable of manufacturing and assembly processes, material selection, etc. We both DESIGN.
I hope this helps :)