New York City Marathon Training Block Analysis: Lessons & CHANGES
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I am a 74 year old runner. I've done 25 marathons and Boston 6 times. Two observations, in my opinion...Stomach issues...too much FIBER...Oat Meal...Bobo Bars etc. 2. Don't run a 20 miler a week before the goal Marathon! Way too close...not a taper. And lastly...during the taper I like to race a 5K or two just to get the body to feel what racing is all about...what to eat..etc. And you can recover quickly from a 5K. Congrats on the New York City Marathon. Awesome videos and coverage. You inspire me daily to turn the door know!
Great comment! 🙂
So much wisdom here, Seth. Be humble and listen to your elders.
Thanks great advice
Great advice, but slight disagree on the food. Seth shows himself eating a lot of fiber, mostly from veggies day in, day out, but we don't see him eating a lot of pasta, toast, and pancakes. All those carbs may work for a lot of runners, but I wonder if he would have been better off with pasta and pancakes as side dishes with something closer to the fare that fueled his build ups for the main dishes... a little more protein, quite a bit less refined carbohydrate. Maybe I'm just projecting. Most of my long long training runs went better than most of my early marathons (a lot fewer than 25. Impressive, Kent!).
Fibre may be the problem, but individuals are very different so it's too simplistic to say that it is definitely the problem. I know I, as a 67 yr old, can race all distances without making any change to my usual high-fibre diet and without sufferring GI issues, even if I eat Banana and Oats less than an hour beforehand. I think Seth's suggestion of eating foods cooked differently by a different person in a different kitchen may well have some validity.
Your just one of those runners who loves the pain of training more than achieving the desired goal. Self sabotage is running 20 the week before a major goal race.
Seth best line of the video... "I could probably go to CIM and ROCK N ROLL" ... no buddy let me reassure you, you can DEFINITLEY go to CIM and ROCK N ROLL. Rest up buddy and come back to fight another day!
I also ran a marathon at a local race on last sunday. I ended up hitting the 15 mile mark and my calf blew up and brought me to a near walk. I was coming off Ironman Maryland 6 weeks ago and wanted to run this marathon as a last hoorah for 2021 competition season. Now all I have in my mouth is a bad taste and a strained calf! I instantly thought and even went to look online for another race before the end of the year. My wife reminded me of the awesome year I had training and competing and the next couple months of family time with our 4 boys at home! That got me back to reality and made me remember I will live to fight another day!!!!
Onwards and upwards buddy and heres to getting a whoopin' but coming back stronger on the next block and the next race. Cheers buddy and spend some time with those boys of yours!!!!
QOD: Beginner runner but 45 years old. Last (First) training block was a learning experience. Got my weekly mileage up to 25 miles per week and ran my first half in 1:56 but need to stop running SAME pace on every run in hopes to shave some time off my next half in the spring. This channel is inspirational in helping me to learn and stay motivated. Thanks Seth and all members !
I love that you put family first even while you pursue your dreams!
I did a full analysis of my last training block for the very first time and found several areas I could definitely improve, including overall mileage and training at GRP. As a reflective exercise, I highly recommend because I noticed things I wouldn’t have otherwise and in some cases, even thought I was doing well on. The global perspective is key.
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COMMENT OF THE DAY!!! :STRONG:
Hi Seth, hope this comments finds you well... got to say I have been following you since March this year and never missed a vlog!!! Great to see the training, the move, how the families going etc... I'm running a 100km Ultra over the Snowdonia mountain range next year for my local Mountain Rescue Team as the pandemic has really slowed the fundraising... from this weekend I start to add the very to the training which im mega excited for!!! All best, Paul from the North Wales, Uk
For VO2 Max training for the marathon things like 1k, 800m and even mile repeats work well. I would even think about adding ladder type workouts starting at a mile and working down to shorter faster intervals. For marathon pace work targeted long runs are key. Those look like a 20 mile run 7-13 mile warmup (steady) and 7-13 miles at marathon pace. These types of runs really allow you to practice time on feet and practice running at marathon pace on more tired legs.
Jared is the other runner with you! Top40 finish in sub 2:30. Awesome work Jared! And Seth, I’ll watch this over and over again when I have a bad race (possibly tonight, I have a triathlon event). I really admire your attitude to setbacks, as much as your dedication to success!
A really cool and honest review of the training bloc. I think the point with the 16 weeks is the most obvious, but in my opinion points 4. and 5. will be the game changers. Seth, you need more fast miles, I had the idea after your half marathon in Naples. Look how fast you have to run in the race. You get no points for running 22 miles back to back for 10 days or something like that. Race specific sessions like 4x5k are the key ingredient and VO2max training will make your 10k and half marathon times faster, which is necessary for a faster full marathon. I am looking forward to see you more on faster days and sharing your impressions with us.
the thing with Japanese doing high volume is they can run again relatively quickly afterwards - volume aids recovery. They don't win big marathons because of natural talent. The East Africans are considerably naturally faster than other ethnicities. Both Kenya and Ethiopia have far more sub 2:05 male and sub 2:20 female runners than the rest of the world combined.
I no longer race so I don't do training blocks any more. I run for enjoyment and have already achieved all the running goals I could realistically achieve. Just stay healthy and mobile.
Thanks for answering my question.
Completely understand why you need the down time, and totally agree! Family life is all that matters!
Good morning DGR! My last marathon training block was 14 weeks in preparation for the Marquette Marathon, Labor Day weekend. The only significant change I made was to add weekly track workouts. At 52, this was a bit nervy because my number 1 running goal is not to get injured. Anyways, I believe the additional speed work pushed me out of my comfort zone and helped me PR - 3:30.
If you reduce your mileage, increase your intensity. Your speed work on the track, try to do 400 repeats between 65 and 70 with 90sec rest after a long run.
QOD: Just got back into running this year after more than 7 years of no running. Made up my own 16 wk training block for a peak half-marathon back in October. Top 3 lessons so learned: 1. Don’t build up to quickly, even with past experiences of running up to 100mi wk, it took years to get to that point. My body needs to re-gain running strength to avoid injury when building up mileage. 2. No training plan is perfect and adjust if needed. No secret workouts or structure to my training plan, but I made adjustments as needed based on how the body felt. 3. Readjust goals closer to race day if needed. At the beginning of the block I planned to train for a sub 1:28 since just getting back into running. However based on workout fitness, during the last 2-3 weeks of the block I pivoted my goal to run sub 1:25 (achieved and ran 1:23:35).
Overall, good things can happen in a short amount of time. Just need patience and trust the process.
It's what I thought during the training block: too much focus on volume. You were getting too tired. And doing the tune up race not feeling fresh and fast, is that useful?
This last training block brought a lot of challenges for me too, Seth. My wife and I brought home a new puppy (I show off Oliver on Discord ALL THE TIME) which was a huge impact in itself. We don’t have any kids so after going through this experience, I now have the highest respect for all the dads out there able to juggle marathon training and family life. You all are absolute rock stars! The block did not bear fruit in my time at the Indianapolis Monumental, but it was incredible to cross the finish line and see my wife standing there holding our little dude after the race! An incredible experience from start of training block to all the way to the finish line for sure!
props on the family comment, need more of this.
150,000 subscribers! Congratulations!
Last training block was outstanding! Lots of great lessons applied to help run a sub 3 marathon while pushing my son in the stroller. Carried right through to attempt a pr in a HM about a month later. Decided to pull out of the race last minute as my mind wasn't in it. It was a conscious decision based on work/life, and as I said I enjoyed every bit of the training 👍
I’d say that running tempo progressions up to your goal MP would be a good start. And then work during those speed workouts to make that end progression last longer. For example, 10 to 15 miles of tempo work. Warming up beforehand, start at normal tempo pace and drop down every 5k or so to start.
For VO2 max training, you basically have to get up above threshold and work. It’s more interval based training. My suggestion is to go with time versus distance. You could run these times 10-15sec faster than mile pace and then work to slightly increase the length of the interval. Rest should almost be 1:1 for maximum recovery of the fast twitch muscle fibers as your going to be working that anaerobic function mostly.
These are just my ideas, but maybe they will give you some creative flow. 😊🤙🏼
had the best training block of my life leading up to my fall marathon, which unfortunately was derailed by a respiratory illness. Followed a VDOT plan and I was extremely impressed by the structure, balance, and intensity of the process. I’ll definitely be signing up for another go when I’m ready to start training for spring.
There are plenty of low 2:20 and faster marathoners who train at 70-100 miles per week. It seems like you’ve experimented a lot with maxing out mileage - It would be interesting to see how you respond to lower mileage with more focus on power endurance
Seth, I know you’re still caught up in the New York City hype, but please consider this. I really, really think now is the time to make the shift to trail ultras. This is where your body is gifted and your age is perfect. I wouldn’t put it off! 😎😊😬
Seth, thanks for sharing . You´re awesome bud. God bless you!
My last training block went very well! I followed a training plan from”Higher Running” (Sage Canaday and Sandi Nypaver’s coaching program). They have some fantastic plans that are flexible in mileage and contain speed workouts that were crucial to my training. It was a 12 week training block and included a taper. I was coming off injuries so I needed the speed training. I performed better than anticipated!
I totally agree. I ran my first half-marathon as a virtual race last February and followed the Higher Running "Not-so-beginner half marathon plan". It was challenging and I have to admit I didn't quite do all the workouts, but by the end I was gaining confidence and hitting the goal paces and even PR'ing in shorter distances like the 5k and 10k just in my training runs! I ran the race in horrible winter conditions (-11°C with -21°C wind chill and 25 km/h winds plus 220 metres of elevation) and beat my goal time of 2:15 by almost 1.5 minutes. I was very pleased with the results!
@@davidgross7972 so awesome!! I really like the mileage ranges they have on their plans so you can tailor it to your schedule. Great job!
That’s crazy, I remember when you were at a few thousand subs back in late 2018, how times flies, wow
QOD my last training block went really well, 16 weeks got extended to 18 weeks block because the race got canceled then changed to a virtual, race but even though it was a virtual race I got a 6min PB so amazingly happy with that even got 2nd overall & won a cool glass trophy, this was my 3rd marathon, keep pushing Seth, …you got this!!👊🏼👍🍀🥳🏃🏼♂️🌲
Hi, have you considered adding to your race prep list occasionally training with others at and above your ability? FOD RUNNER interviewed an elite runner recently and the concept of pushing one another in training as a tool was discussed.
Being the mad scientist Seth it would be interesting to see you top out at 100 miles a week but run with more intensity.
QUESTION OF THE DAY:
I’m in the midst of my first ever organized training block. The Seattle Marathon on Nov. 28 will be my first marathon ever. At this point, the bulk of my training is about wrapped up. I capped at 100 miles a week for 1 week, and I’ve been holding 50-60 a week for my taper. I’ve never approached my running in this way! Every day is a matter of telling myself, “I think I’m doing this training thing the way I should!” Running so many miles and making it all specific to one ultimate goal has taught me so much! My goals are to 1. Feel fulfilled with my effort on race day, and 2. Break 3:00:00. I am feeling confident I will achieve both of those things. Butter to the BREAD! 🏃🏻♂️🏃🏻♂️🏃🏻♂️
Last training block for a marathon last October went perfectly. 12 weeks program, with 3 weeks crescendo and 1 week rest/assimilation. Plan A was 3:25:00, plan B sub 3:20:00, ending up with a nice 3:21:20. I'm surprised you don't include rest/assimilation weeks in your training block. One week at 100 miles every 4 weeks to give your legs and your mind some rest!
Congrats on hitting 150k subs, Seth!
QD: My Chicago Marathon training block went according to plan despite not hitting the goal at the race. It was my first marathon so lessons were learned and will do better my next marathon. Nutrition was on point so I have a baseline for my next training block moving forward.
You just got your 150k subs!! 👍👍💪💪👌Congratulations 🍾
QD: My half marathon training block is ending right now, race is this Sunday! I didn't have a ton of time for this one so my only goal is to finish comfortably. This will be my first event at this distance, and I'm feeling confident that I'll finish. Pushing my long runs further each week has been really rewarding. I'm getting pretty nervous about the race and how my legs will feel on the day, but I know that even if it doesn't go well and I have to stop, that doesn't take away the progress that I've made this block. I'm in WAY better shape than when I started, I am more confident putting in the miles and pushing my body, and I'm going to make it to the starting line healthy. The training block wasn't just for this race. It's about building a foundation for next year, and the year after that, practicing sustainable running habits so I can continue to improve rather than getting caught up in a time I want to run in the short term.
The Hansons group, who Des Linden ran with, always ran a group 26K time trial at goal pace 5 weeks out from their big races. I think this is pretty close to what you did Seth, prior to Amsterdam. Although I think your longest threshold run was maybe a little closer to race day.
I thought you were in 2:21-2:21:30 shape for New York! But New York is definitely a minute slower than most fast flat courses. You are at 2:20 fitness level, IMHO!
I remember hearing once that the trials standard was based on the 100th fastest time by an American the previous year. I also remember that the standard was 2:19:04 in 1984, so although it moves around a little, it should be close to 2:19 again. Maybe with the new shoes it could be a little quicker.
My last training block was for a half marathon trail race and I took a half marathon virtual course at my local Running Room store and followed their plan. The online instruction and sharing with one another was great. I think I did better and trained harder earlier in the year for my first half marathon virtual road race using a Higher Running plan. However, the trail race ended up being just 15k since my sister, who I was running with, didn't want to upgrade to the half. I started out running with my sister but left her behind at the first hill and never saw her again. I was confident the whole way through and near the end was passing people left and right, which is usually the other way around. So the training must have worked for me!
First! I saw you in Harlem around mile 21 and screamed your name! Was good today see you! DGR strong!
QoD: My last training block was for my first marathon. It was an 18 week training block and I had never experienced that amount of volume and intensity. The training itself did not intimate me, but I found myself in constant fear of suffering an injury or setback. This caused me to really focus on the things I don't always necessarily give enough attention to, which was foam rolling, stretching, and icing. I arrived at the starting line having not missed a run, hit all my training run paces, and most importantly healthy. All of this contributed to me beating my marathon goal of 3:30 by 24 minutes.
The one thing that didn't go well was the leg strength training. Looking back, I would have definitely liked to have put effort and focus on leg strength during the training block. Had I done so, I believe I would have easily ran a BQ and come close to running a sub 3 hour marathon.
Enjoyed that, a fine example of Win or Learn!
QoD: caught a nice injury that slowed me down 3-4 weeks during my build for Indy Monumental. Had a great race first half and caught cramps the second half. I felt fit as ever. Excited to get back on the grind building towards houston Marathon in 2mos.
Some of the elites I trained with back in the 70s would go up and down in their mileage as they trained for their marathons…..ie., 100, 120, 140, 100,120, 140….they would use the 100s for speed and recovery, 120s for tempo and 140 for fatigue resistance before tapering
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Thank you for sharing your lessons learned!! we are learning too…
My last training block was tough, I ran into some little injuries from other things in life that hindered my running a bit. It showed in my peak race. I agree about the hunger though, on to the next and the longer the wait till NY 2022 the more eager I am to train well and prepare right.
@Seth James DeMoor 2:20:50 that was the prediction I sent for the lunch contest ahah, seriously though, schedule a sea level marathon next year. youll get that 2:19 marathon. 😉
Not to be a downer, but I think your guess on what your time would have been at NYC is a little zealous. I think you would have set a PR but more in the 2:21:30 to 2:22 range. It’s difficult to negative split a marathon let alone to do so on the tough NYC course
I think they’ll announce time for Olympic qualifier in early January or late December.
Would you consider the help of a trainer to improve? Even elites need one ☝️
Courtney Dauwalter trains all by herself :)
It’s super interesting to hear her talking about it (her interview on rich roll goes on this topic, it’s quite funny btw! Hahaha)
My last training block went great! It was my first college Cross Country season and it basically went off without a hitch. I am stronger and faster than I ever have been. I ran faster for my two 5k splits in a 10k than my 5k pr just last year!
I’m just base building after coming back from injury. I’m starting to plan out 2022 with NYC Marathon in November. The goal will be to arrive at the start line, strong and healthy. I have a few 10Ks in January ‘22 already on the schedule. The NYC Half is about to open and I am looking forward to that as an early benchmark for my fitness.
Good to see your adding goal race pace and VO2Max. For instance, I’ve never seen you doing a long distance training run with in it intervals on your GRP, especially at the the end.
My lastvtrainjng block was for the Manchester marathon and lasted 15 weeks. The whole block went great with only missing one long run due to illness but I went into the marathon in a great shame and got my big goal of running a sub 2.55 in my second ever road marathon
Last training block I had to stop because of injury and defer my marathon until next year. The culprit? I attribute the injury to not spending enough time to non-running activities like strength training and stretching. I have since incorporated more of both and am 3 weeks into a 12 week block for the Rock and Roll marathon in Phoenix in mid-January. Going great so far!
I’d like to see you make most of your undoubted talent by cutting out lots of those miles,so the conventional 100 miles a week and put more quality speed work in through the block rather than numerous slow long runs.
You’d definitely run faster over half and full marathons if you trained in the tried and tested manner rather than an experimental approach.
I did 9 week block for 10K. Did 5K race in the middle of it. All went smooth and improved my PR by almost 2 minutes. I've been training with running power since January and it sits well with me :) I will definitely extend next one to 12 weeks and introduce more strength training. Overall I'm pleased with how it went ;) Onto the next one!
QD: I’ve never really followed a training block, I used to have too many lower leg issues for me to follow one consistently. I am looking forward to attempting my first real training block starting Feb. 1st for the Indy Mini in May 2022!
:QD: Currently ending a training block for my first ultramarathon (35 miles, 10k elevation) with very little distance running experience (I have only run 1 marathon, so far). Race is 8 days away and I feel so well prepared and a big reason for that was my decision to bike to work most days in addition to my running training. The biking added about 4-6 hours of cardiovascular training each week and kept my legs healthy and strong. I will admit, some days the legs were extra tired from biking, but I think it will pay off!
Seems like a solid plan (more MP! Good stuff) - but why more vo2max? Your vo2max is probably fully developed at this point, maybe you'd benefit more (in a safer way) from double threshold days?
Hi Seth, I've been following you for 2,5 years on a daily basis. Since you have such a big aerobic base coming from ultra running and mountain why have you chose to ran 4 weeks 140miles/week? You could have just simply do more tempo or speed work. Probably in a normal training block this would have been duable. Thanks!
QOD: got a twinge in the knee as I hit a 3 week taper. Lost a lot of fitness as I greatly reduced the mileage. Learned that three week taper is too much time so about to hit a two week taper for SA marathon December 5. Tune up race is a 15k (this weekend), HM tune up was 8 weeks out.
My goal in my last marathon is this: finish. Everything else is just a distraction.
No doubt that you were in PR shape Seth, shich is amazing. Given you're improved birthday mile, half marathon, milage, vertical etc. No doubt you can run 2:18 with a 16 week dedicated training block too. It seems though you may want to temporarily have your body 'unlearn' mountain and trail running, to make more room for adaptions towards flat marathoning. I'm aware of your long term goals in mountain running like utmb but no doubt you will love getting back in the mountains to relearn that style of running AFTER you've secured the OTQ on your resume. Keep up the hard work. 👍
Seth, do you think the stomach issues might be due to eating out in NYC? I have a sensitive stomach so when I do destination races, I make my own food.
Agreed Seth, about the separation from marathons. I ran a marathon not hard but as a tune up and my legs felt slow and tired for NY marathon. It was 3 weeks apart and now I don’t think it was worth it. I bet 5 weeks would have been perfect. I am going to experiment too!
Seth, why not start off 2022 by training to run a real fast mile? Then that mile time trial can be your baseline for all future training in terms of training at mile pace, 5K pace, 10K pace, 1/2 marathon pace and marathon pace? A lot of people who run and know of Kipchoge for instance don't realize he was a 3:50 miler. In the end your mile time is still a predictor for even the marathon on the roads (but not really for ultras or trail running). I'd love to see you film a workout where you do 6X600m at mile pace with 2:00 rest for instance on the track. 600's pay the bills for mile training!
You mentioned goal race and VO2max. I actually think paces in between those 2 paces (aka threshold pace) is most important for marathon training. butter it.
Can you please switch back to showing Miles and Kms
I am a new subscriber from Australia and am loving watching your current clips aswell as catching up on old ones.
Love your positive attitude and motivation
Let's keep turning that door knob and banking those Kms as you say😀👌🏃
QoD: I am finishing my training block for Nice-Cannes marathon in the french riviera on Nov 28th. I have been running a lot of trail races in the past 6 years, but I ran my first marathon in Geneva in May (achieving a better time than I was aiming/dreaming for with 2:50:06). For this last race of the year, I would like to PR and I built my training plan for that... Therefore, the plan and its quality sessions were pretty tough! I am glad I managed to check the boxes until the taper. But now that I have pushed through the pain and difficulty, I am full of confidence for that next race 😅
Concerning the GI distress you experienced, it seems that you changed a lot of things in the last few days before the race (on the nutrition side especially). I believe you are right to wanna handle your cooking by yourself for next time. Trust the way you are used to.
QD: I’ll find out tomorrow morning at the Richmond Marathon. I only had a seven week training block since I did Ironman Chattanooga the end of September. So I had a good aerobic base built up. I spent four weeks doing high intensity speed work. I hope that will convert to my first sun 3 hour marathon. My PR is a 3 hour 11 minute marathon so I hope it all works out.
Let us know how it went!
QD: I’m less than 3 hours away from my race, so I’m actually borrowing from your playbook and scrolling Strava to reflect on my training. I trained well, but I didn’t hit al the metrics I wanted, because life got in the way and choices were made. I have no regrets about that. So to grade FFH: Fit=B, Fresh=A, Healthy=B+. I kept my 3 goals (also stole from you) which will be hard to achieve, but that’s the idea, right? Thanks for the inspiration and guidance.
Seth - Good goals and take-aways from your NYC training block. Would really like to see you add a nutrition goal, especially after your stomach issues mid race. I'm 63, run ultras, and have been plant based for 10 years. Big fans of Scott Jurek and Rich Roll. I think you should give it a try and see how much it will help your energy, digestion, and recovery. Stay after it! Steven
Gotta run it back at Boston, Seth!
I did a massive training block from end of March to October when I ran the Virtual Boston Marathon, my first road marathon. Massive improvements and also folded in calorie counting to shed some weight. Missed my marathon goal time by a lot. I think I should have done more race like long runs and done more running at marathon pace and faster. After the marathon I did push more in training runs and got PR’s in 5k and 10k in training and a massive PR in a 30k race.
QOD for you, Seth :) what massage gun and head Torch do you use? I didn't find them on your DGR gear page. Thx im advance & happy weekend
what was harder moving or training lol? My wife and I are currently selling and its a crazy crazy time! Just doing that alone while training you should hold you head high about!
One question I had was whether or not you took water with the gel that upset your stomach? I think that’s absolutely necessary in order to buffer the gel
Hey Seth, recently went down a breathing technique rabbit hole. I know it sounds strange, but have you looked much into how to breathe? Runners often have poor breathing technique or could just improve a little
How did the last block go? I guess I'll really know after my 5k TT this week-end. It will be in the coolest weather I ever ran. Whereas the spring block brought an early summer 10k PB after running as smoothly as it can, this one was marred by injury related breaks . My A-goals for this week-end is probably too optimistic. A PB is at the edge of the possible but will depend on how my lungs and muscles adjust to the cold. 50+ and starting - I need to learn fast now
Great vlog today! Can you give insight into your bloody shoes? What happened and why. Thanks!
Was the bloody blister shoe discussed? Was it a new pair? Different size? Different socks? I’ve got about 7 wks left in my training block. I followed an 8 wk base training plan followed by a 6 wk hill training leading up to my 12 week marathon training plan. Conditioning my body has been an amazing process, the earlier base training has made a world of difference in this year’s marathon training.
I got a feeling it was a new pair.
QD: Terrible! I am in the end phase of my training block and have been sick for ~2 weeks now, i.e. not running at all! Since I have no races booked or anything it isn't a big deal, but I wanted to break my halfmarathon PB which is now not gonna happen so not ideal either. Helps me though in a way: I hope to get back to a more relaxed running routine without focusing on a plan, and just enjoy winter running like I did last winter.
Hi Seth, you had a vlog recently on this but do you think a metabolic test in the Lab will add some benefits by providing your specific zones, Vo2Max, Lactate thresold...etc?
Have you thought about finding another marathon to try again while you have your fitness
We need track spike reviews!!! Seth 👍🏻
My last training block started with an achilles injury, and then I got Covid.... so not ideal 😂
The old rule of thumb. Total recovery after a peak race (miles=days).
Do you have any recommendations for a training program for longer volume? I followed the Hal Higdon advanced plan. It peaked at 60 miles. I would like to peak at 70-80 next training block.
Just thinking what is the value of a tune up race during the highest volume of the training block? And what is the effect of the result of the race, do you adjust something in the rest of the training block accordingly?
Hey Seth!
When you aren’t doing training blocks how much do you run?
QD: I haven’t really done a training block before I usually just go out and run. I listen to what my body is telling me, but Sundays are always my long run days. I completed my first marathon back in October with very little training, it was a last minute switch from doing the half to the full haha. Next time will be different
What if the mad scientist did an experiment and went to CIM without additional training! I know you need a break and family time but you could approach it as a fun run! It would be awesome to see you there and you never know….you might totally crush it!!
It wouldn't hurt to do some 5k training maybe. You should probably be able to run sub 15 in the 5k (probably even 14 middle) to get to that OTQ marathon time. I am nowhere near that fitness and am in that 15 middle to 15 high 5k shape which is where some of your 5k races and time trials were the last time you did them. It would build confidence to be able to run a 14:30 5k, for exame, with a bit of 5k training.
P.S. With the big mountains you run, you could seriously consider entering Hardrock next summer and placing really well!
I like the facial stub!!
You can assume that the qualifying time for a spot in the USA marathon qualifier will be at the least the same as the last time but probably faster.
Why not do a 5km tune up race and attempt to break 15 minutes? That would be pushing yourself deep into the pain cave and preparing you for how you will feel at your marathon goal pace.
Qd: I did a 12 week marathon training block, worked really well for a sub 4. Maybe 16 weeks would be less intense.
DUDE! ARE YOU GOING TO TELL US WHAT HAPPENED WITH YOUR SHOES/SOCKS COMBO??? YOU ENDED UP WITH BLOODY HEELS
bloody toe in the last track session too😀
Yeah, couldnt believe you did a half marathon so close to the marathon. I didn't see (in your last vid) your lesson about pre-race MORNING nutrition which seemed to knock you in the actual marathon ?
Love the channel seth 🏃♂️🏃♂️ why don't you try to eat the same foods and portion sizes as you did 2 days before and up too the NY marathon,
See if you get the same stomach issues, then you definitely would know if it's the food intake. Peace brother 👍🏼