Bruce Lee the Fighter! (Wrath of the Dragon book review)
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- Let there be no more debate. Bruce Lee was indeed the real deal. John Little has written the definitive treatment on the subject - meticulously researched, reasoned, and detailed, "Wrath of the Dragon" is a must have book for all Jeet Kune Do and Wing Chun students, plus fans of the Little Dragon.
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Anybody that thinks Bruce Lee was just an actor hasn’t got a clue about martial arts.
Anyone that thinks he was a proven fighter hasnt a clue about fighting.
This one is an MMA fan who sees it as the centre of evaluating the rest of the combat world …I think he’s just a troll.
@@walterevans2118 facts dont care what you think. MMA is not the center of the combat world...even though Bruce fan bois claim he invented it.
@@cuzz63 you don’t have ‘facts’..just half truths and provocation tactics. A black hole…
@@cuzz63 That shows how LITTLE you know about Bruce’s simple direct JKD …It is NOT about collecting techniques in a rule set environment like MMA…It is about applying economic principles in a no rule environment to end life threatening danger quickly.
For the readers of the book: Maybe interesting for the one or the other, but i like to mention something about Lee’s punching speed and the timer which John mentions:
„Curious as to the actual speed of Bruce’s punch, Jesse had a friend, Gary Barhnhard, an electronics student, devise a means of testing it. He created an electric timer. He wired one end into a light switch and the other into a cutoff switch attached to the back of a small pad. The timer started the instant the light was turned off. It stopped when somebody hit the pad.
Jesse would kill the the light, and Bruce would hit the target. Jesse and Gary told Bruce to strike the pad from varying distances and, after each hit, they recorded the data from the timer.
From five feet or one and a half meters away, his time was eight one-hundreths of a second (0.08 seconds). From three feet or one meter away, his reaction time was a mere five one-hundreths of a second (0.05 seconds).“
This quote on page 61 of the book leads the reader to believe he could react + punch in 5 and 8 one-hundreths of a second.
But this wasnt the case.
I contacted James DeMile in October 2012, and i did ask him if these times were punching + reaction, or only punching. His reply was:
„It was motion, not reaction. Bruce would punch a pad which had the stop switch inside.“
You can find two video’s on YT when the late Sijo DeMile spoke about it:
A) Bruce Lee: How He Achieved Phenomenal Speed
B) James DeMile Combat Reaction Timer
In the video A you see how this motion timer worked. And that’s the thing they measrued Bruce’s speed. It’s only punching, and not punching + reaction.
When you read the description in John’s WOTD book or how Jesse Glover described it in his book, since they both used the term "reaction", the reader could come to the conclusion they used a reaction timer like shown in video B, which shows reaction + punching.
Something to add: I give you Little's account from a new podcast about the subject Lee vs Muhammad Ali. He wrote that chapter for his Wrath of the Dragon book, but in the end took it out since it was not about a sparring or fight, only about rumors. Here:
„The first time the notion of what would have happened had Bruce Lee duked it out with Muhammad Ali appeared in Linda [Lee-Cadwell]s first book, entitled „The Life and tragic Death of Bruce Lee“, published in England in 1975.
In that book Linda presented the following statement:
„One critic wrote those who watched him would bet on Lee to render Cassius Clay (Muhammad Ali) sensless if they were put in a room and told that anything goes.“
It’s true that Linda is quoting a reporter’s opinion in this passage, but 76 pages later in that same book, Linda writes, not quoting anybody, „it has often being argued that if Bruce were locked in a room with Muhammad, and both were allowed to fight in their usual styles, then Bruce was bound to have been the winner.“
Both of these two statements make the same point. That Bruce Lee would have defeated Muhammad Ali had they fought for real. Linda didnt need to include these two sentiments in her book, but the fact remains that she did.
The question is if Lee didnt believe this to be the case, then why did she seek out the first quote above and then add a second one of her own? After all, Linda s book has no shortage of praise for martial artists of every stripe and discipline, each thestifying to her late husband’s martial prowess, and she could have left it at that.
Clearly the reporter s quote appeard in Linda s book for a reason, and the reason was as her seconding of the reporer sentiment indicates that she, as the representative of Bruce Lee, concurred with the opinion he expressed.
But what did Bruce Lee himself said about the matter?
Did anyone get a quote directly from him? One man attemted, the Hong Kong journalist John Hardy, who in November 1971 interviewed Lee in an article for the Hong Kong Star Newspaper.
Hardy: „How did he fancy himself in the ring against Cassius Clay? Said Mr Lee:
Lee: „If you put on a glove, you are dealing with rules. You must now the rules to survive. But in the street you have more tools in your favor, the kick, the throw, the punch.“
Lee clearly had no interest in fighting Ali in a boxing ring, as that would have required him to leave the majority of his weapons behind. His answer suggests that in the street, the advantave and thus the chances of winning, would fall to the man who brought the most weapons to the fight.
As Lee with an arsenal of kicks, throws and punches, would have had more weapons than Ali, who only had his two fists. The reader is free to connect the dots here.
As this quote of Lee was published two years prior to his death, and there is no eveidence, such as a letter to the editor to suggest that he believed he was misquoted in the matter, then this quote can stand as indicating Lee s opinion on how he believed he would have fared against Ali.
It is also, and this is imprtant to note, the only quote attributed to Lee on the matter [him fighting Ali] that was published during his lifetime. (all others, like „my small chinese hands, Ali would kill me“ by Robert Clouse, or Bolo Yeung, or John Saxon, were published after his death).
And then there was an other fellow named Bob Bremer, who was one of Lee’s students, who said:
Bremer: „Yes I heard it from Bruce’s own mouth“.
Lee: „If we were in the street, i would beat the cr..ap out of him [Ali]. But in the ring, not so good.“
Bremer: „He [Bruce] believed it, and i believed it.“
Little: „I do know that he had gone out for dinner with Senator John Tunney, who was the son Gene Tunney, who defeated Jack Dempsey, the famous long count fight, heavyweight championship fight.
And John Tunney asked Bruce: „You know what do you think of my dad? You know anything about my dad Gene Tunney? And Bruce said: „Yeah. I dont just know him, i have two books about him.“
John Tunney: „Cool. How do you think you would have done against my dad?“
Lee: „Well, if i stood there and he hit me, forget it. But the question is could he ever get close to me?“
John Tunney: „So you think you could beat him?“
Lee: „To tell you the truth, i could beat anyone in the world [in a street fight].“
Little:
„Ali was big and and strong, and Bruce was smart enough to recognize that if you went into Ali s backyard, a boxing ring, and there were rules, he would be a smudge. But on the street it’s something else.
Here is an other interesting thing that speaks to that for anyone who says: „Well, Ali in the street would have done something to Lee.“:
Ali studied a little bit Taekwondo for a short time under Jhoongoo „Jhoon“ Rhee, and Jhoon was a friend of Bruce. And Jhoon often said:
Rhee: „Sparring Bruce was a waste of time, because he couldnt get out of the first gear, and Bruce taught me this punch, which was so fast and so direct, that I couldnt, there is nothing i couldnt get out of the way of it, I couldnt bock it, and I asked him to show it to me and he did. And i shared it with Ali, and it was called „the accu punch“ Ali called it.“
Little:
„And Jhoon Rhee said the same, Ali couldnt block it, and Rhee was able to hit Ali with it, and Ali was so impressed with it, that he used it in one of his fights (against Richard Dunn), and i think he knocked the guy out with it.
But here is the thing:
Jhoon Rhee was not as fast as Bruce Lee, he did not hit as hard as Bruce Lee, and he was able to hit Muhammad Ali.
So could Bruce have hit Ali? Yes.
Could he have hit harder as Jhoon Rhee? Yes.
Was Bruce s technique in a real fight to bob and weave and throw jabs? No. It was to go for the eyes or the throat, or the lead shin.
And if you take someone s eyes away, I mean Bruce‘ s closing speed was insane. He practised finger jabs like eye jabs repeatedly, like thousnds of repetitions, to geht the neural muscular pathways down, so he could do it effortlessly.
So yeah, in a boxing ring, Ali all day. In the street, i think Lee is the favorite.
PS:
And this is from me (Chris): Of course the final line is J. Little s opinion. Nobody has to agree. But as you can read in the complete text, during Lee's lifetime, he only spoke one time about this subject in front of a journalist, and this was in November 1971.
All these claims later by Robert Clouse, Bolo Yeung, John Saxon etc., among the quotes is the famous "look my small hands, Ali would kill me", were published after Lee was gone. Same of course with the quote of his student Bob Bremer, that Lee told him he would beat the cr..ap out of Ali in a street fight.
You can find the whole podcast (John Little Randy Roach)
John Little A Great Bruce Lee Biographer & Researcher!
I got my copy and tore through it in 2 days!! Your review is so on point!! Bruce Lee is who we thought he was!!
I read it in a single sitting and I never read any books so that says something.
You Look Like A Mean Tough Mother Trucker! You Know Your Art! you Studied With Bruce Lee's Students. you Know How To Fight Very Well! you Don't Take No Mess From Anyone! Bruce Lee's Book Wrath Of The Dragon By John Little Is A Wonderful Read! I'm Glad You Support This Book! I'm Also Happy You Like Wing Chun! I Studied Wing Chun Do With James W. DeMile And His Top Student Rocco Ambrose Who Now Runs The Wing Chun Do University. I Also Studied Jeet Kune Do With Sigung Richard Bustillo & Guro Dan Inosanto. They Taught Me So Much About Bruce Lee's Jun Fan Jeet Kune Do Concepts! I Also Studied The Base System Jun Fan Gung Fu. I Love Bruce Lee's Methods Of Martial Arts. He's A Great & Smart Man And Created A Wonderful Martial Art To Defend One's Self From Harm. Thanks For Making This Video. You're A Smart Man Please Don't Put Down Dan Inosanto And Any Other Of Bruce Lee's Students If I'm Ever In Your Area I Hope You'll Let Me Study At Your Martial Arts School, Because We Are JKD Martial Art Brothers! You Know Your Stuff And Hopefully You Can Teach This Young Man A Thing Or Two! I Was Told By Guro Dan Inosanto, To Learn From Everybody & To Absorb What Is Useful & Reject What I Find Useless. Thanks For Reading My Message, God Bless You!
Well, Bruce took the economic Principles with which he refined his Art from Wing Chun. So even if he simplified beyond some WC traditional forms he never jettisoned its PRINCIPLES.
Super positive and excellent message! Greetings from Argentina.
Another banger from John Little. I hope this book becomes more well known.
John is a good historian. Especially with BRUCE.....You get some of these MMA pundits who claim that nothing counts as a real fight record unless its a filmed MMA fight. By that Daft criterion all the war heroes who were awarded gallantry medals should give them back because there wasn't an MMA world of Sports Camera running along side them recording their battlefield actions.....lol
While true Bruce still only had one confirmed fight as an adult. John Little making money off rubes.
@@cuzz63 I think John Little’s time , detail , sources and resources for historical research on this could be rather more extensive than yours…🤔🙄
@@walterevans2118
Those "sources and resources" were ALL provided by the Bruce Lee estate owned by his daughter Shannon Lee.
Therefore, you just cannot expect ANY criticism about Bruce Lee from John Little. Whatever he writes is authorised by the Bruce Lee estate.
@@cuzz63 GO AHEAD-----Just keep embarrassing yourself!
@@raygsbrelcik5578 you fan bois already shitting on yourselves plenty.
Great video. Thanks for reviewing
speaking of Arthur Jones interesting reading would be his 50 years in the iron game and God laughed.
Fantastic book, highly recommended.
Thanks for the info. Book is on my list*. * Wife says "what do you want for Christmas".
Thanks again Sifu Jason.
really settled a lot of questions and missinformation. great book.thanks Jason.
😛🙏💥6:17 yup.
It is a great read. Very precise information.
Short news: One of the people mentioned in the book, Ryan O'Neal, the long-time boyfrieind of "Charlie's Angels" Farrah Fawcett, died yesterday (Dec 8th, 2023) at the age of 82.
Yeah, I saw that in the news. He was in one of my favorite movies (little known) called “What’s Up, Doc” with Barbara Streisand.
And thank you for your encourages words.🙏
On Bruce's REAL fights ........Postscript of the Wong Jack Man fight - Experience shows that the best way of dealing with Bruce Lee in an anything goes streetfight is TO RUN AWAY ........TERRIBLY FAST. 🤔🤔😳🥴🤕🤕😖😖
When I watched DK Yoo vs Bradley Scott and saw an outclassed martial artist with what appeared to be zero sparring experience going the distance against a former UFC fighter by running and hugging, my brain went DING-DING-DING: Wong Jack Man. I suddenly realized NO fighting art prepares you for an opponent who doesn't want to fight because, in a self-defense situation, if someone runs away you let 'em go. That being the case, you could last 2 or 3 minutes with ANY fighter as long as they couldn't catch you. People always bring up Mike Tyson in relation to Bruce, but think about his close-range style relying mostly on hooks and uppercuts-he'd have done even WORSE against Wong because how would those punches have even connected with Wong hightailing it in the opposite direction with his back turned? Wong mastered the perfect martial art to survive against any opponent: RUN LAI FOO.
@@randalwung8715 if you think DK Yoo is anywhere near the body mechanical level of training which Bruce Lee achieved then you’re being silly….Bradley Scott to his credit was actually going easy on DK Yoo..
For me the meaning of find your own truth can only be accomplished with the balance of inner work and outer interactions.
I didnt need book to know bruce was real deal. Its more about how real was bruce? Was he best fighter of his time type real like many believe him to be?
The book was witten for bruces critics. But they will still criticise i suppose
the book was written to make money off fan bois.
Hopefully critics like you will buy too. Your interested in bruce
@@iluvcliffrichard "cuzz" guy just likes to get a reaction. It gives him
an Orgasm! This is his only method of satistaction.
@@cuzz63 you are just going around this site trying to create conflict instead of having an honest discussion. From these cumulative comments I can see your modus operandi now…
@@cuzz63 you are yourself a ‘fanboy’ of MMA
There is no doubt that Bruce was researching other Arts. The fact that he did is beyond dispute. Where the dispute is concerns exactly WHY Bruce was doing this. Was it to 'integrate' it into something called 'JKD' or to understand how these arts worked in order to use simplicity to PRE-EMPT them.
Actually the dispute is because of the myth that Bruce was a proven fighter.
@@cuzz63 ok…Well, as witnesses Jesse Glover, Ed Hart, Tony Lau, John Saxon, Bob Wall, Linda Lee, James Lee and Leo Fong (on the phone to Bruce the next day) would agree to differ.
@@cuzz63 Take a Hike, punk!
Bruce simply studied other "Styles" in order to advance his overall
Knowledge of Combat. It's as simple as that! He was on a constant
Journey, and that's what he tried to pass on to others.
@@raygsbrelcik5578 pretty much.
Super Book!...i read it too soooooo fast..could not put it down...I always knew in my heart that he really is as good i thought he would be.. and he was. When i noticed the books and depth of he's thoughts and ideas in a books back in the day...and was him fighting in the movies. You could see if you are not blind that nobody can be that good to be able to fight for real.
Fact is he had many doubters back in his day. What happened. They started learning under him. They travelled to him. Not visa versa 😂 Haters can keep hating
Excellent book
If Bruce had did his fight scenes more like he really fought with the higher speed as well then we all would have left the theatre working on tearing into somebody. But instead people left doing flowery moves that were not that dangerous. So the first would have been way to violent for a society that needs a lot of inner growth.
I'll take on Bruce Lee any day..
at the Chinese buffet bar. talkin about Lee you better knew what time it is ⏰
A window and not a mural. Nice!!!
now if only I could remember who said that!! But, anyway, isn't that a good one? It's really been a helpful insight. Thanks for watching and God bless.
@@JKDandWingChun It was probably Pastor Douglas Wilson. He quotes that plenty. I think the original quotation was from G. K. Chesterton… but I could be wrong. God bless you guys.
By the way, is that your church up in Traverse City? Got curious about what kind of JKD student follows the inestimable Doug Wilson. 😎
@@JKDandWingChun 😂 Yes, that’s us: the Church of Philadelphia in Traverse City, MI. As for me, I studied martial arts for years before I was mercifully converted to Jesus Christ, at a time when I was not seeking Him (I even thought that I was a Christian). Embracing Reformed Theology was inevitable, as that is the only way of understanding what happened in my conversion (and hence Doug Wilson). During my preparation for the ministry, I got quite out of shape, and stopped any training. I lost most of the weight again, and now desire to learn a softer style like Wing Chun (something you can still use out of shape, or teach to your daughter). Your content has been wonderful in this regard. I’ve often thought about bringing a bus full of congregants down to Greenville to train with you all for a couple days, and what that would look like. If you ever find yourself vacationing in beautiful Traverse City, make sure to let me know so that we can show some Reformed Christian hospitality. My contact info is on the church’s website. The Lord be with you, brother.
@@PastorCalebLeach you guys are welcome anytime! That would be a blast. And we can all go to Second Presbyterian in downtown for Sunday (Rick Phillips is our senior minister). It would be all Reformed Wing Chun lol.
Best way to win any fight is not be thier, avoid and escape anything else is ego bullshit
Yes… the art of fighting without fighting…and de escalation is a skill set in itself.
You can’t always run away. You can avoid it by not being there in the first place though.
@@axelstone3131 yes, this is also true of course.
Any interview dome with John Little shows that he is a Bruce fan boi. Making money off other Bruce fan bois.
John Little is the official, authorised biographer of Bruce Lee authorised by Bruce Lee's daughter Shannon Lee.
@@kumar7586 exactly...fan boi
@@cuzz63 I can't Wait for YOUR book to come out, Anti--Fan boy!
You'll make a TON of $$$!!!
Name one author who knows as much about BL as John Little and is not a fan boy. I'll be sure to check out their books about BL.
@@bruhmoment3731
Tom Bleecker. Please read his book "Unsettled Matters".
IF you are really interested in learning the truth about Bruce Lee, you will read that book. Otherwise, you are just a fanboy who wants to remain a fanboy!