No matter the lineage everything you said is true, no matter who or how the system was developed everything you said is true. Thank you for your honesty.
I am not a wing chun practitioner. But I have trained martial arts 35 yrs. This is some of the best advice I have seen when talking about how to choose a place to learn from.
This is a great explanation of what Wing Chun/Ving tsun or what ever way you want to pronounce it, is and should be. In my 30 yrs of studying this system i have only heard this sort of thing said twice. That was by my teacher, and later by my teachers teacher. I feel that many of today`s practitioners and teachers for that matter miss that vital point. A unavoidable violent encounter!, that is a great way to put it. We are the good guys after all, and not the instigators of the violent encounter. As for all the "Grandmasters" that this system now has, well that just aids to the dilution of a great system. Human nature is to want more. If only to realize that in fact less will give a practitioner more. If only 4 things can ever happen in a combat situation, why do people feel they need all these endless techniques?. Great Vid :-)
Very interesting video. I disagree slightly on your lack of emphasis on the traditional aspects of wing chun, at least in the form training. I am very traditional in the 7 forms, and find a sense of “community and brotherhood” in practicing those traditional forms just as ip man did as well as all the students before and after. It is how Wing Chun is passed down from generation to generation. These forms are a catalog of techniques that we all share, and yes I use the Cantonese names of each technique. Students need this core traditional knowledge to pass it down to the next generation to maintain Wing Chun integrity. But that said, next comes application of those techniques... at this point I agree with everything you had to say in the video. At this point in the training, the Kwoon becomes a gym with practical self defense application. I don’t see Wing Chun as one or the other. A gym atmosphere without the traditional foundation is lacking in depth, just as a traditional kwoon without practical application lacks self defense value. Honestly from reading your wonderful book on Sui Lim Tau, I think you do have more of a respect for the traditional foundations than this video suggests.
@Thomas. Absolutely right. The forms are chi gong exercises and are expressed through each movement in the form. And i see nothing wrong with wearing clothes or uniform that are appropriate for the situation/weather or to cultivate uniformity in training. Finally, addressing your seniors appropriately is a good time to start showing respect to other fellow students in a society that is fast losing self respect.
I also disagree with some of the commentary. Wing chun is a traditional Chinese system. To be specific, the ubiquitous form that is most common is the wing chun that was developed during the golden age of 20th century sport martial arts in Hong Kong during the 50's and 60's and was spread by diaspora as the Hong Kong Chinese population immigrated to Western countries. Therefore the terms are often in Cantonese (the native dialect of Hong Kong). So isn't it being respectful to abide by tradition and to acknowledge it by learning the Cantonese names? It's not that hard even if the pronunciation is not perfect: Honestly I don't know the exact way to say Sil Lum Tao like a native speaker but I try my best. It's so American to want to butcher everything and Americanize it. It's really a form of elitism. But what if the Olympics were held in China - which they were of course - and the singer sang the American national anthem in Mandarin because they figured the event in China and it really didn't matter? That would be really disrespectful and presumptuous. It's just being respectful and "paying forward" in making an effort to learn the term as originated. That is why John Danaher often uses Japanese terms when teaching BJJ (e.g. ashi garami) to acknowledge that it came from judo. Really, if you claim to be a high level instructor in something then you really ought to know the history and the terminology. I'm sure doctors don't want to learn the latin names of diseases but that's what they must do in order to call themselves doctors. Knowing the proper names is part of the mastery of a system. Can you imagine going to a mechanic and he doesn't know the name of the parts? "The doohickey on your manifold is leaking brown goop". An exception can be made if you claim to teach "American wing chun" or make up some new movement and give it an American name then that's fine. Just my personal opinion and I don't claim to be right.
Big fan of your channel Jason. Glad you have the parameter for "close quarters" to consider for your evaluations. I'm not great at nomenclature myself but happy my Gary Lam lineage (from WSL) passes your litmus test. I realized my WC system had to come from a more direct and fluent place than Yori Nakamura's mutated from Dan Inosanto's mutated from Bruce Lee mutated from WSL. My JKD, kickboxing, and Muai Thai also provide good pressure test for meh WC schools.
I've trained in traditional and more modern self defense arts for the past 25 years. I've been interested for the past few months in training in wing chun. I completely agree with what you're saying. I'm currently three hours from Greenville, I plan on stopping by sometime in the future.
Wong S Leung is good for really intimate close-range skill down the middle. William Cheung is good for lateral movement and long range fighting. Especially against Taekwondo and Muay Thai fighters that load-up on kicks.
@@notusingmyname4791 That may be true, but not in the same manner that William Cheung uses the long bridge. Cheung lineage would rather focus on fighting you mid-range on the outside, while WSL concentrate their efforts down the opponent's center line getting right in their face.
Very good analyses, I would add for long range Duncan Leung lineage and Lo Man Kam. I am more the person for long range I will never be that good in WSL, just also the character counts.
As always, great stuff. I think you nailed it, asking what are you here to learn. If it is self defense then, for me, the criteria for what is “good” becomes what you describe.
This topic is open, opinions all day, there are over 80 linages of WC. I would never choose a school or Sifu just because the location was close. Go guest the school, interview the Sifu.
I appreciate you not truly picking 1 lineage over the other. I tend to take these types of criticisms and use it as a ruler to measure my training and how I train others to make sure we stay as relevant and up to date with the current world of fighting as possible. I appreciate your videos 🙇🏿♂️
This is so on target … my Sifu kept telling me (everytime I was too convoluted in my Wing Chun) that we are not here to do „Chinese Opera“ … we are here to end a fight.
6:23 I know just about all of the wing chun 3 forms and made my own form as well.. but when it comes to live fighting, simple and direct is right, you might see me use 4 or 5 tools and the rest is all “Control and Collect” so I don’t have to wait to chase a hand, I use strikes that heave me in a blocking or deflecting structure.. here’s an example. 1. You stand southpaw, and have someone punch you towards the jaw, use a JUM SAO, (left hand) on a shot and this hand turns into a GWY JARN.. pinning elbow or belly of the forearm. (Mother and son) we call it. Just as we make this split second contact, we use a right handed CHIT SAO BUI GEE and simply peel off an eye strike on the close right side eye, with our new window we just made. So you can see, I’d probably intercept the wrist, handle the elbow, and then grab (lop sao) and punch, pinning the arm once more in a 3 part striking block.
@@leesiuleung1816 that’s how you get satisfaction? By saying RISKY STUFF in a SAFETY WAY on social media? You wouldn’t talk to me that way in person or on the mat. 🤮
Thanks for a good discussion. Confirmed my gnawing suspicions about my own school and lineage. It's not perfect for sure, but I get decent instruction.
Well said and the movement around the Mook Jong is excellent as are your students. I get my students to stand three quarter arm extension from the front and both sides ot the mook jong then mark behind their feet with chalk in all 3 positions then join them up in a semi-circle/arc around the dummy makes for sharp foot movement speed and direct power to the centre of the mook jong. I was however wondering about the tan sau vs a hay maker/hook punch though as we would use a dai sau with a simultaneous punch so no need to move to the side, but I agree with the whole principal of directness and block/strike at the same time. We have 5 basic principals in Wing Chun they are Simplicity, Directness, Practicality, Economy of Movement, and Minimum Use of Brute Strength. My history 29 years practicing and teaching Wing Chun in Napier, New Zealand, have been to many Sifu seminars and trained with other instructors and Masters in Hong Kong back in 2018. My late Sigung Chu Shong Tin (known in many circles as The King of Siu Nim Tao) lived with Ip Man, was his number 1 instructor, and Ip Man himself wrote that he had surpassed him before he passed away. Other great instructors/Masters under Ip Man were Wong Shun-leung (known in many circles as The King of Chi Sau), Lok Yu and Leung Sheung sadly all passed away now. Sigung Ip Chun who I believe is Ip Man's oldest son is still training today at 97 years of age.
Mr leung teaching seems very no nonsense straight to the point practical, probably due to him and bruce lee always going around challenging other schools. He is very good example. Much respect.
Hello , greetings Jkd . 👋🏼🙂 CONGRATULATIONS for this video that was very clear and direct on the subject of letting the people know what red flags to look for that indicate what is not right and it was done with plenty of respect and proper usage of words during the explanation of warning the public etc. . Keep up the good work with bringing to the light what is right . 🤝🏼👌🏼👍🏻💪🏼😃
I completely agree with your view of Wing Chun, the martial view, but I have to say, I also enjoy the art side. I liked practicing my forms, my knives and my techniques during this lockdown, looking for that perfect execution, but I also know that's not what I'll look for in live practice and application. It's like in music: during practice you look for perfect execution, perfect pitch on you whole-step bend, and you focus on perfect timing with a metronome... but when it's time to play some Iron Maiden, it's time to ROCK! fuck perfect triplets on the chromatic scale using legato string skipping at 160bpm! Don't understand that music jargon? well that's how guitarists exchange ideas and give each other advice, and I think it's the same for the chinese names, it is useful I think so I'll disagree with you there... even though I agree that sometimes people take it too far, like with the si-dai dai-si-stuff, the 10 different names for the same technique in different context and yeah, I'm not a fan of westerners in chinese pijamas either! lol But yes, coming back to the music analogy, youtube is filled with guitarists who try to play Iron Maiden but fail because they don't have the technique and the relaxation that comes from rigorous and methodical practice... but there are also the clinicians who clearly mastered the technical side but are boring and souless. It's about balance. And also, there are a lot of great guitarists who can play fast and perfect, but not one has the exact same technique. Malmsteen and Petrucci hold the pick completely differently yet they are both legendary guitarists. I think it's the same for martial arts, there are no bad lineage per say...well... except William Cheung lineage lol not just because of who Cheung is (a liar and a fraud) but I honestly have never seen anyone good from that lineage, and I've seen a lot of them since they are very present in my country. And honestly, I also respect people who practice Wing Chun for the love of the art, people who don't really care that much about the self-defense side. As long as they know that's what they are doing. And come on, admit it, Wing Chun is fun as hell!
Good points. I've studied guitar and Wing Chun for over forty years. At sixty, I have improved vastly at both, but with wisdom, I still understand the challenges to come.
I get what your saying,I am also a guitarist and a martial artist. And a guitarist will one day have to investigate musical knowledge or he will be just willy nilly in his music. Just look up your fav guitarist story on borrowed riffs! Martial arts is physical, not a sport and certainly not playing a guitar.
My view on the hyper traditionalism is "A tree without roots can't stand but a tree without branches never grows". The differences in forms between lineages aren't major differences and have some practical application(most likely). I would think a real student of wing chun would be interested in learning these differences from several lineages as well as their application.
One big *red light* for a young student observing a family is... $$$$ If everything is tied somehow to money run plain and simple. Simplicity and honor talks for itself and so does parlor tricks and corruption.
Excuse me master I've decided I'm going to choose Wing Chun for self-defense and fighting over Shaolin Kung Fu I'm also going to choose Sanda the first and original kickboxing and Chinese martial art
@@jedi77palmer because it’s a great Traditional Martial Art 🥱. If you’re also learning Sanda you may as well just save time and go straight to it. I know a lot of Wing Chun guys that do Sanda
I agree being too traditional or dogmatic with the style doesn’t help anyone or the system to improve. However you cannot completely divorce wing chun from the Chinese cultural aspect of the style. That’s like throwing the baby out with the bath water. We need a realistic sense and understanding of the elements that make up wing chun (including cultural) as a baseline to improve it. But as you say most of the hardcore traditionalists have deviated way too much from reality of practicality of the martial art.
My first Wing Chun teacher had me doing the same form Siu Nim Tao for years so I got bored of His Wing Chun and found another Sifu which didn't hole Me back
It's a real problem, isn't it? Some people don't practice enough (or with enough focus) and that's why they don't progress. But for serious students to be doing SLT for years is just foolishness because there's no clear standard as to what perfection is (and that's why I've heard them say they haven't advanced someone..."the student's form has to be perfect"). As soon as someone is competent and skillful they should advance in my opinion. Anyway, thanks for watching.
Don't be obsessed with the lineage, be obsessed with how scientific the techniques are. Misinterpreted techniques aren't scientific and you can't use them to do self defense effectively. We may launch an online school to teach the scientific expression of Wing Chun. If you are interested, join our newsletter. Links are on my channel page. Click through to our blog site.
Nice video, thanks for making it. Tbh, I think you should try practicing these traditional lineages yourself before deciding that you’ve understood what they’re about 🙏 I totally agree with some of what you said, regarding silk pajamas for instance, but in other cases I think you miss the point because you never understood it. I’m a beginner, but I can see how sustained practice of the first form, for example, is key to build your structure. And without that you cannot move forward (without learning a version of the practice that doesn’t use structure). You might never miss it, but if you know, you know. These traditional Chinese approaches develop all that stuff. Sometimes more western styles miss the point of what is happening and just assume it’s nothing. In my experience the 10 year mark is realistic considering how long it takes to develop and shape your body/structure, even if you train daily
Really great insights..What are your thoughts on Practical Wing Chun by GM Wan Kam Leung/...Their forms are very different from other wing chun lineages..(has more circular movements than usual) despite Wan Kam Leung being under the Wong Shun Leung lineage its alot different from other Won Shun Leung practioneers like Gary Lam
I haven’t trained personally with Wan Kam Leung but have seen some of his material. It certainly is unique, which is really cool. By that I mean, his unique perspective reminds me of how Wing Chun gives us all certain forms (structural foundations of applications limited only by our need and unique qualities) and training drills to develop conditioned reflex. Application tactics, on the other hand, are something that each school of Wing Chun should take more seriously and I love that he’s done that. It’s like in boxing: you have the Floyd style (Philly shell), peek-a-boo of Cus, etc. It’s all still boxing, but their “style” of application is unique. If Floyd fought like Tyson or Chavez, he wouldn’t have been as good. If Tyson fought like Ali (besides being hilarious), he would have been easily beaten. It’s the same here. I don’t think there’s a ubiquitous manner of Wing Chun application and Wan Kam Leung shows that. Okay, sorry for long reply. Hope it helped…and thanks for watching.
Hello from DFW Texas, thanks for bringing this content on this platform. This is really going to help me look around my area for any instructors. Any recommendations in my area Jason?
Great video. I particularly liked how you call people to consult their common sense on tactics. I like to picture the most difficult possible scenario, or better yet, get someone to create that scenario for you, in order to steelman(opposite of strawman) your technique. You'd probably find me to be a bit traditional for your taste, but I do use common sense to perfect my tactics. My thoughts are, if this move isn't working, I'm probably not doing it the way that it was originally done. I then try to find the correct method through common sense. Sometimes old techniques have to be thrown out, due to new conditions which did not exist in the past. In that case, we have to ask ourselves the question "Would the monks have obstinately stuck to this technique, given circumstances that made it completely ineffective?" Of course they would have thrown the technique out themselves. Tradition for the sake of tradition, is pointless, as you clearly express in this video. I AM interested in what we can take from tradition to improve today's training though. I'm currently making my way through some of Wing Lam's publications, which contain great conditioning secrets.
I've been blessed to have done some training under 3 different WC lineages. With students from Ip Ching, Leung Sheung, Wong Shun Leung. I felt Leung Sheung was simple and to the point. WSL method was built for fighting. And that Ip Ching curriculum was very traditional. And I'm not a fan of Ling Ting or William Ching method. I find some of there WCK moves questionable.
@@ericsalinis733 Under his "COACHING TREE", his WCK method has help RDJ get off the white powder...got find the little good thinks; out of something bad.
OK - I'll get flamed for this but the best WC exponents I've had any personal experience with were willing to explore other concepts, especially FMA. I'm NOT suggesting that the traditionalists arent excellent martial artists - not at all - but there is something about Kali that really forces a WC practitioner to move beyond what they've been taught, even if the initial move isnt always greeted with smiles by their WC sifu. We have to remember that there is often a business behind anyone teaching a martial art 6 days a week - losing a top student to another discipline isnt good for business.
Good video but you did not really answer your own question. If we are talking about Yip Man lineages in my opinion I would say for structure Lo Man Kam, for aggressiveness and timing Wong Shung Leung, and for tactical Hawkins Cheung. We must also remember that it also depends on your attributes, and dedication to the system as well, there are bad and good students in all the lineages of Wing Chun and the best are the ones train the hardest and prove themselves.
This is text to voice so please forgive the spelling. I study you're JKD videos and materials Shifu. I like your Wing Chun and boxing videos. I'm learning how to apply them to JKD in terms of tactics - I hope. You put your bias up front. You see Wing Chun and JKD as systems that are designed for a sudden violent unavoidable attack not a Prestige fight on the street. I agree with you. I'm at 57 years young dancer. if I think I'm going to win a prestige fight I deserve to go to the hospital and then jail for breaking the law. Totally different mindset with totally different tactics. Someone wants to fight me I run away it's works everytime. I think that's what your critics are missing. You never said JKD and Wing Chung taught by you would work in the MMA or a prestige fight on the street - something I started or talked my way into out of Pride and ego instead of being humble and running . And I think the problem is people have a lack of understanding of the mindset between the self Defender and a fighter. What I learned from your Wing Chun videos is what Bruce Lee took from it. If I am wrong please correct; not just low kicks, Bridge control and soft targeting. We're not trying to finish anybody. We are just trying to get the hell out of there and not go to prison longer then the person attacking us. As you teach moral, Legal, Tactical, technique. Avoid trouble, run, beg, and deescalate first . That doesn't work then JKD. Thank you as always Shifu.
What a load! Just kidding, I agree with you. I think that If you took a school like yours or Wong Shung Leung's who advocated pressure testing & combined it with Chu Shong Tin's internal knowledge, you'd have a bad ass that you wouldn't want to put your hands on. As far as all the Chinese nomenclature for the techniques, I'm on the fence about that. I can see giving respect to the culture that it came out of & the Chinese outfits just look cool when you're doing gung fu lol.
Well said.. Many of the original asian martial arts were designed to take advantage of traditional, baggy robes and pants... Today's street thugs sport tight-fitting jackets and jeans... Or no shirts, (and bodies coated with sweat.) I will say, however, on your point about "not worrying about asian word meanings in order to do effective attacks.. " is good in it's intent, BUT the translation of a movement (or body part) COULD help a practitioner more clearly DESCRIBE how to make a technique MORE effective.. I do COMPLETELY agree that immediate, practical, DIRECT action is far more effective than "overly traditional, pre-planned attacks".. MMA stuff seems to be better in a modern street fight.. Thanks for your wisdom..!
Great points there. The little clips from class are a nice addition, serves two purposes: drives the point home and is a bit of an ad for your classes, because people can see what you're working there. My former teacher was at the doorstep of making his Wing Chun proper for self-defense, once we were even training to protect against knife attacks, not using the best approach to deal with one of those but still he was trying. But at the same time he was trying to push commie bullshit to us disguised as philosophy of the art and he was too attached to his youth days when his training (according to him) was very traditional, so he liked the whole excess of titles in Chinese and stuff like that. Plus he was always saying that he didn't like to teach and expecting us to be megaminds that got everything 100% from the first try. He knew how to fight but didn't know how to teach all he had learnt.
Not a bad video. I was on some level expecting a shit post in 2021. One of the biggest poisonings of the wing chun well is complaining about X Y or Z branch because a couple of old guys a few decades back had beef.
In regards to Yip Man's lineage, one could argue that beginning in the 1950's, the focus on the self defense aspects of Wing Chun went to another level. Wong Shun Leung, Bruce Lee, William Cheung, and several other Yip Man students were all street fighters. Wing Chun is 1 of the 3 core arts of Lee's Jeet Kune Do (e.g., Boxing, Fencing) and he coined his new art "scientific street fighting." Bruce told student Dan Inosanto that, "Wing Chun works good in a bathroom" whereas the Fencing aspects of JKD would be more effective at long range.
Bruce Lee wanted to finish his training in Wing Chun before he died. He still felt he could learn more from the Art. WSL and Bruce can be scene in Chi Sao together from the outtakes of Enter the Dragon. There is a little more to this story as well.
Too many people chasing different linage! It’s not the lineage the problem! It’s you as an individual chasing wing chun, and not getting anywhere but expecting a teacher to do some miracle or magic on you and make you good! People become good practitioners through their own hard work, so doesn’t matter what linage or what style or what what type of fighting methods you are following! Just train hard and see if it works !
The two loudest groups that make me roll my eyes...William Cheung's Traditional Wing Chun and Leung Tings Wing Tsun. Ipman taught me the real shit and no one else. LOL.
Some great points here, but there's one key point I think you missed. The "best" lineage is the one that you'll actually practice. If you spend hours researching "proper" lineage but then don't practice or there aren't classes you can attend, then it's not very practical...
When I see a bunch of people wearing 1800's traditional Chinese clothing when they are training I get suspicious of the instructors. I feel like they are LARPing.
It's very foolish to be protective of a martial art based on culture. Find your people, not based on where they come from, but by who they are in their heart. Boxing is different. Some Chinese are bothered by the fact that Americans reject Chinese medicine and internal energy to stick to the American boxing roots based only on strength and speed I stead of qi. I am not going off on something crazy. It's just a different thing. You know wim hof? How did he climb Mount Everest wearing shorts, boots, and no shirt. He trained many people to be able to do that kind of thing. That the kind of thing I am talking about. The Chinese are more into that kind of special energy.
that takes MANY years to be able to do wim hof stuff. that's why north americans aren't interested. "what? it'll take me 20+ years of hard dedication to become a inhuman?! forget that!" also, qi is supposed to supplement age. another thing that isn't really talked about. as you get older, your qi flow changes, as well as your mindset: qi and mind are connected. that's also how you can become 'stronger' when you get older, however, the caveat would be that you have to rely on it more. or perhaps, your body will already be conditioned to naturally alow more qi flow...? but it's supposed to 'flow' with your life 'flow'. so it's funny when you see all this 'qi armour' stuff and whatever else you see on youtube because it seems like a more juvenile, youthful novelty to want to explore qi that way. a more 'powerful' way to use qi. do you think that old chinese men want to walk up mt everest naked? no, they don't, they just want a balance to their energy and life. that's what teaches them humility. but us north americans aren't content with that application, we want to be superheros! tbh i haven't even really read about qi, so i don't know. but i still instinctively know that all the 'amazing qi' stuff that you can watch on youtube is merely just to appeal to the masses. there's alot more layers to it than that.
This is only a boxing engine. It's all muscle tention. Real wing Chun is about muscle and joint control.not this external junk. Just as a thumbs up.cos I was had to .then had to start again like fffffffffff
When spending too much time looking for the answer, we sometimes forget the question.
I have been practising Wing Chun in Germany for 7 years now , truer words were never spoken. Well done.
No matter the lineage everything you said is true, no matter who or how the system was developed everything you said is true.
Thank you for your honesty.
I am not a wing chun practitioner. But I have trained martial arts 35 yrs. This is some of the best advice I have seen when talking about how to choose a place to learn from.
Great videos and my first introduction to Wing Chun, really wish you were a few thousand miles closer so I could train with you!
Where r u from
Im in Houston
This is a great explanation of what Wing Chun/Ving tsun or what ever way you want to pronounce it, is and should be. In my 30 yrs of studying this system i have only heard this sort of thing said twice. That was by my teacher, and later by my teachers teacher.
I feel that many of today`s practitioners and teachers for that matter miss that vital point. A unavoidable violent encounter!, that is a great way to put it. We are the good guys after all, and not the instigators of the violent encounter.
As for all the "Grandmasters" that this system now has, well that just aids to the dilution of a great system. Human nature is to want more. If only to realize that in fact less will give a practitioner more. If only 4 things can ever happen in a combat situation, why do people feel they need all these endless techniques?.
Great Vid :-)
the best wing chun lineage is the one that puts practicality above tradition, and application with resistance over rehearsed self defense steps.
Very interesting video. I disagree slightly on your lack of emphasis on the traditional aspects of wing chun, at least in the form training. I am very traditional in the 7 forms, and find a sense of “community and brotherhood” in practicing those traditional forms just as ip man did as well as all the students before and after. It is how Wing Chun is passed down from generation to generation. These forms are a catalog of techniques that we all share, and yes I use the Cantonese names of each technique. Students need this core traditional knowledge to pass it down to the next generation to maintain Wing Chun integrity.
But that said, next comes application of those techniques... at this point I agree with everything you had to say in the video. At this point in the training, the Kwoon becomes a gym with practical self defense application. I don’t see Wing Chun as one or the other. A gym atmosphere without the traditional foundation is lacking in depth, just as a traditional kwoon without practical application lacks self defense value. Honestly from reading your wonderful book on Sui Lim Tau, I think you do have more of a respect for the traditional foundations than this video suggests.
Thanks. We did mention that those who disparage the forms, which are the foundation of the system, are making a big mistake too. Great points, though.
@Thomas. Absolutely right. The forms are chi gong exercises and are expressed through each movement in the form. And i see nothing wrong with wearing clothes or uniform that are appropriate for the situation/weather or to cultivate uniformity in training. Finally, addressing your seniors appropriately is a good time to start showing respect to other fellow students in a society that is fast losing self respect.
I also disagree with some of the commentary. Wing chun is a traditional Chinese system. To be specific, the ubiquitous form that is most common is the wing chun that was developed during the golden age of 20th century sport martial arts in Hong Kong during the 50's and 60's and was spread by diaspora as the Hong Kong Chinese population immigrated to Western countries. Therefore the terms are often in Cantonese (the native dialect of Hong Kong). So isn't it being respectful to abide by tradition and to acknowledge it by learning the Cantonese names? It's not that hard even if the pronunciation is not perfect: Honestly I don't know the exact way to say Sil Lum Tao like a native speaker but I try my best.
It's so American to want to butcher everything and Americanize it. It's really a form of elitism. But what if the Olympics were held in China - which they were of course - and the singer sang the American national anthem in Mandarin because they figured the event in China and it really didn't matter? That would be really disrespectful and presumptuous.
It's just being respectful and "paying forward" in making an effort to learn the term as originated. That is why John Danaher often uses Japanese terms when teaching BJJ (e.g. ashi garami) to acknowledge that it came from judo.
Really, if you claim to be a high level instructor in something then you really ought to know the history and the terminology. I'm sure doctors don't want to learn the latin names of diseases but that's what they must do in order to call themselves doctors. Knowing the proper names is part of the mastery of a system. Can you imagine going to a mechanic and he doesn't know the name of the parts? "The doohickey on your manifold is leaking brown goop".
An exception can be made if you claim to teach "American wing chun" or make up some new movement and give it an American name then that's fine. Just my personal opinion and I don't claim to be right.
Big fan of your channel Jason.
Glad you have the parameter for "close quarters" to consider for your evaluations.
I'm not great at nomenclature myself but happy my Gary Lam lineage (from WSL) passes your litmus test.
I realized my WC system had to come from a more direct and fluent place than Yori Nakamura's mutated from Dan Inosanto's mutated from Bruce Lee mutated from WSL.
My JKD, kickboxing, and Muai Thai also provide good pressure test for meh WC schools.
I've trained in traditional and more modern self defense arts for the past 25 years. I've been interested for the past few months in training in wing chun. I completely agree with what you're saying. I'm currently three hours from Greenville, I plan on stopping by sometime in the future.
Lucky you
The best title that I've ever seen in Wing Chun is:- "Master of Almightiness" lol.
Bruce Lee called all that crazy traditionalism the “classical mess” I love the message.
Yeah.. the simpler and more direct the BETTER.. Jason, your practicality is refreshing.. that's what I like about all your vids on here.
The best lineage is one that focus on correct Yin & Yang cultivation of structure, which will enhance whatever technique or self defense you do.
Wong S Leung is good for really intimate close-range skill down the middle.
William Cheung is good for lateral movement and long range fighting. Especially against Taekwondo and Muay Thai fighters that load-up on kicks.
Leung Sheung uses both long bridge and short/close bridge.
@@notusingmyname4791 That may be true, but not in the same manner that William Cheung uses the long bridge. Cheung lineage would rather focus on fighting you mid-range on the outside, while WSL concentrate their efforts down the opponent's center line getting right in their face.
Very good analyses, I would add for long range Duncan Leung lineage and Lo Man Kam. I am more the person for long range I will never be that good in WSL, just also the character counts.
As always, great stuff. I think you nailed it, asking what are you here to learn. If it is self defense then, for me, the criteria for what is “good” becomes what you describe.
The best is what is close to you. I think very few have a practical choice between several schools. For the realistic aspects we have you.
This topic is open, opinions all day, there are over 80 linages of WC. I would never choose a school or Sifu just because the location was close. Go guest the school, interview the Sifu.
Honestly... well said! Straight up facts, and you avoided pointing fingers at any lineage.
Thanks. It’s always a fine line to ride...telling the truth and being respectful. 🙏
@@JKDandWingChun I am completely 100% with you.
I appreciate you not truly picking 1 lineage over the other. I tend to take these types of criticisms and use it as a ruler to measure my training and how I train others to make sure we stay as relevant and up to date with the current world of fighting as possible. I appreciate your videos 🙇🏿♂️
This is so on target … my Sifu kept telling me (everytime I was too convoluted in my Wing Chun) that we are not here to do „Chinese Opera“ … we are here to end a fight.
Ha. Chinese Opera. That’s funny…and absolutely right. Great input. Thanks.
Wong shun leung/barry lee lineage right here.
Good points. I think this applies to all martial art systems.... or should!
6:23 I know just about all of the wing chun 3 forms and made my own form as well.. but when it comes to live fighting, simple and direct is right, you might see me use 4 or 5 tools and the rest is all “Control and Collect” so I don’t have to wait to chase a hand, I use strikes that heave me in a blocking or deflecting structure.. here’s an example. 1. You stand southpaw, and have someone punch you towards the jaw, use a JUM SAO, (left hand) on a shot and this hand turns into a GWY JARN.. pinning elbow or belly of the forearm. (Mother and son) we call it. Just as we make this split second contact, we use a right handed CHIT SAO BUI GEE and simply peel off an eye strike on the close right side eye, with our new window we just made. So you can see, I’d probably intercept the wrist, handle the elbow, and then grab (lop sao) and punch, pinning the arm once more in a 3 part striking block.
You’re watching too many Kung Gu Goof videos mate, get serious.
@@leesiuleung1816 that’s how you get satisfaction? By saying RISKY STUFF in a SAFETY WAY on social media? You wouldn’t talk to me that way in person or on the mat. 🤮
@@leesiuleung1816 this is the guy who puts up no content of his own.. but ok.. you’re the authority right?💩
@@JKDVIPER most sensible thing you said all day, glad ya came to your senses mate.
Thank you my friend for sharing your knowledge with us. Now, everything's clear! ~Leonard A. Guevarra (Lee)
There needs to be a separation between technical vs functional training, and knowing what is what and what trains what are important.
Thanks for a good discussion. Confirmed my gnawing suspicions about my own school and lineage. It's not perfect for sure, but I get decent instruction.
Well said and the movement around the Mook Jong is excellent as are your students. I get my students to stand three quarter arm extension from the front and both sides ot the mook jong then mark behind their feet with chalk in all 3 positions then join them up in a semi-circle/arc around the dummy makes for sharp foot movement speed and direct power to the centre of the mook jong. I was however wondering about the tan sau vs a hay maker/hook punch though as we would use a dai sau with a simultaneous punch so no need to move to the side, but I agree with the whole principal of directness and block/strike at the same time. We have 5 basic principals in Wing Chun they are Simplicity, Directness, Practicality, Economy of Movement, and Minimum Use of Brute Strength. My history 29 years practicing and teaching Wing Chun in Napier, New Zealand, have been to many Sifu seminars and trained with other instructors and Masters in Hong Kong back in 2018. My late Sigung Chu Shong Tin (known in many circles as The King of Siu Nim Tao) lived with Ip Man, was his number 1 instructor, and Ip Man himself wrote that he had surpassed him before he passed away. Other great instructors/Masters under Ip Man were Wong Shun-leung (known in many circles as The King of Chi Sau), Lok Yu and Leung Sheung sadly all passed away now. Sigung Ip Chun who I believe is Ip Man's oldest son is still training today at 97 years of age.
I would love to take my family to your studio and train some day. Your content is awesome
Many people actually do that and we’d love to see you!
Very good class. Very well spoken, very well actualized.
Because I'm interested in punching kicking grappling striking you know it and Wing Chun can offer me that as well as sanda
I love Applied Wing Chun... Duncan Leung Lineage ! ! !
@NIC GRAGERT Gordon Lu, gran exponente del Applied Wing Chun... he visto muchos videos de él! Me gusta mucho su nivel técnico y su forma de explicar!
Mr leung teaching seems very no nonsense straight to the point practical, probably due to him and bruce lee always going around challenging other schools. He is very good example. Much respect.
Hello , greetings Jkd . 👋🏼🙂
CONGRATULATIONS for this video that was very clear and direct on the subject of letting the people know what red flags to look for that indicate what is not right and it was done with plenty of respect and proper usage of words during the explanation of warning the public etc. . Keep up the good work with bringing to the light what is right . 🤝🏼👌🏼👍🏻💪🏼😃
I like the Gulao village Pin Sun Wing Chun system
wing chun that you are showing seems to be a sort of in between the pummeling of wrestling with striking
One of the legit sifus
The best lineage is the one that works in a full contact fighting against other striking styles.
I completely agree with your view of Wing Chun, the martial view, but I have to say, I also enjoy the art side.
I liked practicing my forms, my knives and my techniques during this lockdown, looking for that perfect execution, but I also know that's not what I'll look for in live practice and application.
It's like in music: during practice you look for perfect execution, perfect pitch on you whole-step bend, and you focus on perfect timing with a metronome... but when it's time to play some Iron Maiden, it's time to ROCK! fuck perfect triplets on the chromatic scale using legato string skipping at 160bpm!
Don't understand that music jargon? well that's how guitarists exchange ideas and give each other advice, and I think it's the same for the chinese names, it is useful I think so I'll disagree with you there... even though I agree that sometimes people take it too far, like with the si-dai dai-si-stuff, the 10 different names for the same technique in different context and yeah, I'm not a fan of westerners in chinese pijamas either! lol
But yes, coming back to the music analogy, youtube is filled with guitarists who try to play Iron Maiden but fail because they don't have the technique and the relaxation that comes from rigorous and methodical practice... but there are also the clinicians who clearly mastered the technical side but are boring and souless.
It's about balance.
And also, there are a lot of great guitarists who can play fast and perfect, but not one has the exact same technique. Malmsteen and Petrucci hold the pick completely differently yet they are both legendary guitarists.
I think it's the same for martial arts, there are no bad lineage per say...well... except William Cheung lineage lol not just because of who Cheung is (a liar and a fraud) but I honestly have never seen anyone good from that lineage, and I've seen a lot of them since they are very present in my country.
And honestly, I also respect people who practice Wing Chun for the love of the art, people who don't really care that much about the self-defense side. As long as they know that's what they are doing.
And come on, admit it, Wing Chun is fun as hell!
Good points. I've studied guitar and Wing Chun for over forty years. At sixty, I have improved vastly at both, but with wisdom, I still understand the challenges to come.
I get what your saying,I am also a guitarist and a martial artist. And a guitarist will one day have to investigate musical knowledge or he will be just willy nilly in his music. Just look up your fav guitarist story on borrowed riffs! Martial arts is physical, not a sport and certainly not playing a guitar.
you should just learn to play your own stuff. that's true musicianship. don't put ppl up on a pedestal to where you're always going to be second best
This would be cool for a podcast with the Kung Fu Dudes ( Big Sean Madigan and The Kung Fu Genius Alex Richter ) this is some great stuff 👍🏼😁
You speak my mind sir! Good video!
My view on the hyper traditionalism is "A tree without roots can't stand but a tree without branches never grows". The differences in forms between lineages aren't major differences and have some practical application(most likely). I would think a real student of wing chun would be interested in learning these differences from several lineages as well as their application.
I totally agree with everything you said
AS ALWAYS...GOOD WORK...KUDOS
Good information, Thank You.
I love you SIFU
One big *red light* for a young student observing a family is... $$$$ If everything is tied somehow to money run plain and simple. Simplicity and honor talks for itself and so does parlor tricks and corruption.
Wise words as always everything must evolve to survive a lot styles just do Chi sou you must spare and learn how other styles move,
Very well said
Excuse me master I've decided I'm going to choose Wing Chun for self-defense and fighting over Shaolin Kung Fu I'm also going to choose Sanda the first and original kickboxing and Chinese martial art
Sanda is all you need for self defense.
@@jedi77palmer because it’s a great Traditional Martial Art 🥱. If you’re also learning Sanda you may as well just save time and go straight to it. I know a lot of Wing Chun guys that do Sanda
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Your a great teacher
Fantastic
I agree being too traditional or dogmatic with the style doesn’t help anyone or the system to improve. However you cannot completely divorce wing chun from the Chinese cultural aspect of the style. That’s like throwing the baby out with the bath water. We need a realistic sense and understanding of the elements that make up wing chun (including cultural) as a baseline to improve it. But as you say most of the hardcore traditionalists have deviated way too much from reality of practicality of the martial art.
My first Wing Chun teacher had me doing the same form Siu Nim Tao for years so I got bored of His Wing Chun and found another Sifu which didn't hole Me back
It's a real problem, isn't it? Some people don't practice enough (or with enough focus) and that's why they don't progress. But for serious students to be doing SLT for years is just foolishness because there's no clear standard as to what perfection is (and that's why I've heard them say they haven't advanced someone..."the student's form has to be perfect"). As soon as someone is competent and skillful they should advance in my opinion.
Anyway, thanks for watching.
Don't be obsessed with the lineage, be obsessed with how scientific the techniques are. Misinterpreted techniques aren't scientific and you can't use them to do self defense effectively. We may launch an online school to teach the scientific expression of Wing Chun. If you are interested, join our newsletter. Links are on my channel page. Click through to our blog site.
Nice video, thanks for making it. Tbh, I think you should try practicing these traditional lineages yourself before deciding that you’ve understood what they’re about 🙏 I totally agree with some of what you said, regarding silk pajamas for instance, but in other cases I think you miss the point because you never understood it. I’m a beginner, but I can see how sustained practice of the first form, for example, is key to build your structure. And without that you cannot move forward (without learning a version of the practice that doesn’t use structure). You might never miss it, but if you know, you know. These traditional Chinese approaches develop all that stuff. Sometimes more western styles miss the point of what is happening and just assume it’s nothing. In my experience the 10 year mark is realistic considering how long it takes to develop and shape your body/structure, even if you train daily
Really great insights..What are your thoughts on Practical Wing Chun by GM Wan Kam Leung/...Their forms are very different from other wing chun lineages..(has more circular movements than usual) despite Wan Kam Leung being under the Wong Shun Leung lineage its alot different from other Won Shun Leung practioneers like Gary Lam
I haven’t trained personally with Wan Kam Leung but have seen some of his material. It certainly is unique, which is really cool. By that I mean, his unique perspective reminds me of how Wing Chun gives us all certain forms (structural foundations of applications limited only by our need and unique qualities) and training drills to develop conditioned reflex. Application tactics, on the other hand, are something that each school of Wing Chun should take more seriously and I love that he’s done that. It’s like in boxing: you have the Floyd style (Philly shell), peek-a-boo of Cus, etc. It’s all still boxing, but their “style” of application is unique. If Floyd fought like Tyson or Chavez, he wouldn’t have been as good. If Tyson fought like Ali (besides being hilarious), he would have been easily beaten. It’s the same here. I don’t think there’s a ubiquitous manner of Wing Chun application and Wan Kam Leung shows that.
Okay, sorry for long reply. Hope it helped…and thanks for watching.
Hello from DFW Texas, thanks for bringing this content on this platform. This is really going to help me look around my area for any instructors. Any recommendations in my area Jason?
EXCELLENT!!!!
If it works for you that’s the best lineage.
What's your opinion in wan kam leung practical wing chun ?
I always knew I'd have to manifest more violence than I thought my school was capable of. Unfortunately though it's hard finding Ving Tsun instructors
Great video. I particularly liked how you call people to consult their common sense on tactics. I like to picture the most difficult possible scenario, or better yet, get someone to create that scenario for you, in order to steelman(opposite of strawman) your technique. You'd probably find me to be a bit traditional for your taste, but I do use common sense to perfect my tactics. My thoughts are, if this move isn't working, I'm probably not doing it the way that it was originally done. I then try to find the correct method through common sense. Sometimes old techniques have to be thrown out, due to new conditions which did not exist in the past. In that case, we have to ask ourselves the question "Would the monks have obstinately stuck to this technique, given circumstances that made it completely ineffective?" Of course they would have thrown the technique out themselves. Tradition for the sake of tradition, is pointless, as you clearly express in this video. I AM interested in what we can take from tradition to improve today's training though. I'm currently making my way through some of Wing Lam's publications, which contain great conditioning secrets.
U to bro I been had to.
Who is your Sifu?
U have the write idea thow good stuff
I've been blessed to have done some training under 3 different WC lineages. With students from Ip Ching, Leung Sheung, Wong Shun Leung. I felt Leung Sheung was simple and to the point. WSL method was built for fighting. And that Ip Ching curriculum was very traditional. And I'm not a fan of Ling Ting or William Ching method. I find some of there WCK moves questionable.
William Chung was a great fighter in his youth, however, his Wing Chun and Curriculum is GARBAGE.
@@ericsalinis733 Under his "COACHING TREE", his WCK method has help RDJ get off the white powder...got find the little good thinks; out of something bad.
OK - I'll get flamed for this but the best WC exponents I've had any personal experience with were willing to explore other concepts, especially FMA. I'm NOT suggesting that the traditionalists arent excellent martial artists - not at all - but there is something about Kali that really forces a WC practitioner to move beyond what they've been taught, even if the initial move isnt always greeted with smiles by their WC sifu. We have to remember that there is often a business behind anyone teaching a martial art 6 days a week - losing a top student to another discipline isnt good for business.
Good video but you did not really answer your own question. If we are talking about Yip Man lineages in my opinion I would say for structure Lo Man Kam, for aggressiveness and timing Wong Shung Leung, and for tactical Hawkins Cheung. We must also remember that it also depends on your attributes, and dedication to the system as well, there are bad and good students in all the lineages of Wing Chun and the best are the ones train the hardest and prove themselves.
This is text to voice so please forgive the spelling. I study you're JKD videos and materials Shifu. I like your Wing Chun and boxing videos. I'm learning how to apply them to JKD in terms of tactics - I hope.
You put your bias up front. You see Wing Chun and JKD as systems that are designed for a sudden violent unavoidable attack not a Prestige fight on the street. I agree with you. I'm at 57 years young dancer. if I think I'm going to win a prestige fight I deserve to go to the hospital and then jail for breaking the law. Totally different mindset with totally different tactics. Someone wants to fight me I run away it's works everytime.
I think that's what your critics are missing. You never said JKD and Wing Chung taught by you would work in the MMA or a prestige fight on the street - something I started or talked my way into out of Pride and ego instead of being humble and running . And I think the problem is people have a lack of understanding of the mindset between the self Defender and a fighter. What I learned from your Wing Chun videos is what Bruce Lee took from it. If I am wrong please correct; not just low kicks, Bridge control and soft targeting. We're not trying to finish anybody. We are just trying to get the hell out of there and not go to prison longer then the person attacking us. As you teach moral, Legal, Tactical, technique. Avoid trouble, run, beg, and deescalate first . That doesn't work then JKD. Thank you as always Shifu.
What a load! Just kidding, I agree with you. I think that If you took a school like yours or Wong Shung Leung's who advocated pressure testing & combined it with Chu Shong Tin's internal knowledge, you'd have a bad ass that you wouldn't want to put your hands on.
As far as all the Chinese nomenclature for the techniques, I'm on the fence about that. I can see giving respect to the culture that it came out of & the Chinese outfits just look cool when you're doing gung fu lol.
Well said.. Many of the original asian martial arts were designed to take advantage of traditional, baggy robes and pants... Today's street thugs sport tight-fitting jackets and jeans... Or no shirts, (and bodies coated with sweat.)
I will say, however, on your point about "not worrying about asian word meanings in order to do effective attacks.. " is good in it's intent, BUT the translation of a movement (or body part) COULD help a practitioner more clearly DESCRIBE how to make a technique MORE effective..
I do COMPLETELY agree that immediate, practical, DIRECT action is far more effective than "overly traditional, pre-planned attacks"..
MMA stuff seems to be better in a modern street fight..
Thanks for your wisdom..!
WSL is hands down the best. Leung Ting is the worst
Are you located in Greenville SC ?
Yep. Right here on Woodruff Road…albeit on the less trafficky side of things.
Great points there. The little clips from class are a nice addition, serves two purposes: drives the point home and is a bit of an ad for your classes, because people can see what you're working there.
My former teacher was at the doorstep of making his Wing Chun proper for self-defense, once we were even training to protect against knife attacks, not using the best approach to deal with one of those but still he was trying. But at the same time he was trying to push commie bullshit to us disguised as philosophy of the art and he was too attached to his youth days when his training (according to him) was very traditional, so he liked the whole excess of titles in Chinese and stuff like that. Plus he was always saying that he didn't like to teach and expecting us to be megaminds that got everything 100% from the first try. He knew how to fight but didn't know how to teach all he had learnt.
Not a bad video. I was on some level expecting a shit post in 2021. One of the biggest poisonings of the wing chun well is complaining about X Y or Z branch because a couple of old guys a few decades back had beef.
In regards to Yip Man's lineage, one could argue that beginning in the 1950's, the focus on the self defense aspects of Wing Chun went to another level. Wong Shun Leung, Bruce Lee, William Cheung, and several other Yip Man students were all street fighters. Wing Chun is 1 of the 3 core arts of Lee's Jeet Kune Do (e.g., Boxing, Fencing) and he coined his new art "scientific street fighting." Bruce told student Dan Inosanto that, "Wing Chun works good in a bathroom" whereas the Fencing aspects of JKD would be more effective at long range.
If Bruce lee had continued to finish wing chun he would have learnt that there are varied ranges available in Wing Chun
Bruce Lee wanted to finish his training in Wing Chun before he died. He still felt he could learn more from the Art. WSL and Bruce can be scene in Chi Sao together from the outtakes of Enter the Dragon. There is a little more to this story as well.
The origional..Chan Wah Sun
Unavoidable = Committed Attack - impending damage or doom unless you respond
Too many people chasing different linage! It’s not the lineage the problem! It’s you as an individual chasing wing chun, and not getting anywhere but expecting a teacher to do some miracle or magic on you and make you good! People become good practitioners through their own hard work, so doesn’t matter what linage or what style or what what type of fighting methods you are following! Just train hard and see if it works !
There is only one internal WC out there. The rest been totally had
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over complicating this. My teacher says throw away the bs. touch hands or spar and you’ll already know if it works
The two loudest groups that make me roll my eyes...William Cheung's Traditional Wing Chun and Leung Tings Wing Tsun. Ipman taught me the real shit and no one else. LOL.
Shots fired! Hahaha
Some great points here, but there's one key point I think you missed. The "best" lineage is the one that you'll actually practice. If you spend hours researching "proper" lineage but then don't practice or there aren't classes you can attend, then it's not very practical...
Or Quicksilver.
My lineage, the ip chun lineage is the best, real combat
Indeed
Ching is better
Yip Man, Duncan Leung….
Wong shun leung lineage
Leung ting, lineage like tai chi for old people, ip man, same bs, up chun lineage, or Chris Chan lineage, we fight, the instructors are all fighters
Why are you doging about like that why don't you use the structure and movement taught in wing chun?
So.....what if I just straight blast chain punch? Just kidding
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TL;DR never go full LARP (Live Action Role Play) gym/dojo.
When I see a bunch of people wearing 1800's traditional Chinese clothing when they are training I get suspicious of the instructors. I feel like they are LARPing.
It's very foolish to be protective of a martial art based on culture. Find your people, not based on where they come from, but by who they are in their heart. Boxing is different. Some Chinese are bothered by the fact that Americans reject Chinese medicine and internal energy to stick to the American boxing roots based only on strength and speed I stead of qi. I am not going off on something crazy. It's just a different thing. You know wim hof? How did he climb Mount Everest wearing shorts, boots, and no shirt. He trained many people to be able to do that kind of thing. That the kind of thing I am talking about. The Chinese are more into that kind of special energy.
that takes MANY years to be able to do wim hof stuff. that's why north americans aren't interested. "what? it'll take me 20+ years of hard dedication to become a inhuman?! forget that!" also, qi is supposed to supplement age. another thing that isn't really talked about. as you get older, your qi flow changes, as well as your mindset: qi and mind are connected. that's also how you can become 'stronger' when you get older, however, the caveat would be that you have to rely on it more. or perhaps, your body will already be conditioned to naturally alow more qi flow...? but it's supposed to 'flow' with your life 'flow'. so it's funny when you see all this 'qi armour' stuff and whatever else you see on youtube because it seems like a more juvenile, youthful novelty to want to explore qi that way. a more 'powerful' way to use qi. do you think that old chinese men want to walk up mt everest naked? no, they don't, they just want a balance to their energy and life. that's what teaches them humility. but us north americans aren't content with that application, we want to be superheros!
tbh i haven't even really read about qi, so i don't know. but i still instinctively know that all the 'amazing qi' stuff that you can watch on youtube is merely just to appeal to the masses. there's alot more layers to it than that.
This is only a boxing engine. It's all muscle tention. Real wing Chun is about muscle and joint control.not this external junk. Just as a thumbs up.cos I was had to .then had to start again like fffffffffff
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Dang it need a new wardrobe
Hmm why not just do Muay Thai then. No BS just learn to fight. Linage doesn’t matter with Muay Thai just train, spar and fight. Problem solved!
99% of all the Wing Chun I see anywhere is terrible. Show me your 1 inch punch.