Ｉ agree your concern ．Ｉ trained under Sifu Ted Wong for 10 years . Every jkd men forget 3 key elements . SIMPLE DIRECT NON-CLASSICAL jkdman have to refine his tools ( punch kick footwork ) Especially footwork !
As a JKD Concepts guy I say good video and you have articulated very well things that I have thought about over the years. Your content has helped me streamline my JKD & Wing Chun. Thanks Sifu and stay safe!
8:50 actually Anderson Silva says himself he tries to fight like Bruce Lee and he fights power side forward (a righty) and often counters and intercepts
I recently saw an interview with Tim Tackett that he did a few years back where he essentially said the same thing. He emphasized that both the concepts and the original group were neither one "right." He talked about JKD being well-defined, but open-ended enough that you can adapt things that work better for you as an individual. He used the example of BJJ and noted that if Bruce was still around he thought he would have embraced BJJ and "JKD-ized" it! But that is an answer for a specific range that Bruce hadn't yet fully developed before his passing. That is very different from adding in all kinds of other punching/kicking/trapping methods when you already have a well-defined and efficient version in original JKD!
You know there's nothing wrong with ruffling up a some feathers because that's what Bruce lee did when came up with JKD he ruffled the feathers of other martial art disciplines.
@Nic777 ---I don't believe there is such a thing as "JKD principles of combat!?" I think putting it as just "principles of unarmed combatives" would suffice! After all, "a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick!" Remember, Bruce said, "if one thinks that JKD is different from this and that, then let the name Jeet Kune Do be wiped out! For that is what it is, just a name."
You are absolutely right. This is the exact track I have followed. Just the lead hand and foot dexterity emphasis alone..enabled me to spar with and defeat 1st 2nd 3rd n 4th degree black belts. Kickboxers and barroom brawlers. As to the why: There is the story I teach my students; a girl asked her mom why she cut the legs ofc the turkey before putting it in the oven she said "because that's how my mom did it. So she asked grandma why she cut the legs off the turkey. And grandma said because that's how my mom always did it. So she asked Great grandma why she cut the legs off her turkey. Great grandma said; Oh my dear I haven't done that since your grandma was little! Back then our oven was very small I had to cut the legs off to shut the door!
Thank you for this video, Sifu Jason. Several years ago, I studied JKD for a few months at a sanctioned Jun Fan JKD studio (that will remain nameless) before discontinuing. I left feeling disappointed, and scratching my head wondering just what JKD as a martial system was supposed to be. Every lesson was different and I didn’t know if I was going to be showing up for a Muay Thai class, a Wing Chun class, or a BJJ class; it was confusing, to say the least. And, speaking honestly, I signed up because I wanted to learn authentic JKD (and it’s foundation art of Wing Chun), not Muay Thai, BJJ, or even Silat. The impression I took away from my experience is that JKD is nothing more than MMA with multiple arts “cobbled” together with no cohesion, and you learn by cross-training those other martial arts. Listening to you say that the core of JKD is a boxing/fencing art coming out of Wing Chun (paraphrased) is refreshing, and has again piqued my interest in it. 🙏🏽
Great video let’s see if I got it. There is *Confusion* about what JKD is. Thinking that the *Concept* of JKD is the kitchen sink (studying all arts). Therefore adding *Complexity* by incorporating more syles and techniques instead of practicing daily decrease. And if not confused by the concepts and doing all the styles then just *Copying* Bruce Lee and doing Jun Fan Gung Fu. Just my thoughts as I was confused for a long time. I feel like I was confusing the method that Bruce used, _freeing himself from the classical mess and imposed limitations,_ and the art itself. I then pursued a bunch of arts rationalizing myself *into* the classical mess I was supposedly freeing myself from. Only after I encountered the problems that Bruce had in the classical mess (that I created) was I able to see that the answers were already there. I think others may have similar trouble. JKD in my humble opinion *is* a conceptual art. Simplicity, efficiency, timing, and Jeet (intercept). Centerline and Longest weapon to nearest target are also crucial, I have a few that I use personally _adding what is uniquely my own,_ but I try to let people know that this is due to my own attributes as I am not Bruce Lee. This is something that I am currently writing about. Thanks for clarifying. Mind if I use this as a reference? Also it's funny that you mention Tai Chi and American Wrestling as I do both of those arts. Didn't Bruce' father do Tai Chi?
sasoriko nailed it! And feel free to use whatever we put on here. Also, glad to help you on your journey. Yours is exactly the type of experience we were speaking to. Thanks a bunch for the input.
Dwight Woods ha. Yeah. When you properly define the so-called concepts, and there’s no contradiction in the application of them, that’s what I think we should strive for. The error of JKD Concepts as I understand it is that they rightly conclude that it’s a conceptual - that is, more accurately to say, a theoretical method. But they err by embracing relativism and thereby break the theory-practice integrative chain. On the other hand, the Original approach is to basically deify Bruce and copy him without considering sound theory. This makes the Original method a “classical mess” so to say. I believe that the answer is the proper integration of logical theory (interception and non-contradictory mix of offensive-defense) with application. Love your input, Dwight and I’m honored to have you on here. Hope my reply clarified our position.
Having trained a couple of martial arts systems that made you learn a lot of techniques that make one shake their head, and say Why......???? The simplicity of JKD is it's greatest asset. Thanks for the 'brave" diagnosis.
I like to think of Jun Fan Gung Fu as the name of the art and Jeet Kune Do as the philosophy you learn from it and eventually take into use when you figure out your own individuality in fighting.
I dont think you are right here. Lee said it very clear but people listen to it very difficult. Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what is essentially your own.” The idea of constantly researching and refining your own experience was key to Bruce Lee's way of life. Bruce Lee had a liberary full of other arts and studied them, examine them, try them. Inosanto says Lee was interested and a sponse when it came to other arts and learning different techniques. All to get the job done. Lee took grappling, took wrestling, locking, kicking, boxing and made it his own. And yes he trained everyday multiple hours to get better and better. His wife, his daughter and Dany Inosanto tells us this. Yes Jeet Kune Do is a concept. The concept of being like water. Second its not true that Lee teached his student to train only one side for months. If that so, whats the source of your information. I was watching how you hold pads and it doesnt look you know how to hold them correctly and also the girl looks like a one handed fighter. Im not trying to offend you but that is a very dangerous thing to learn cuz she can easily getting defeated with multiple ways. His daughter still has an agenda of her father where he wrote all this training session down and clearly he was not only training one side. When you watch the fight with Chuck Norris, yes its a movie, but this scene says a lot about Lee. It says that he understood distance, he understood movement, he understood boxing, kicking and this was not only with his right side. No its not about adding styles cuz that is not what Lee did or Jeet Kune Do is all about. Its about techniques from different styles that can make you a better fighter. Last, Lee started with Wing Chun, but he also knew that Wing Chun is limited and most trapping techniques just dont work or is more accidentally. According to Inosanto Lee started his JKD with Wingchun, boxing and Wrestling. But at the end it was maybe one pak sao but more of the other arts added with techniques from savate, jiu jutsu and even muay thai. Thats why most MMA fighters understand Lee filosophy and say Lee was ahead of his time. If you really want to understand how Jeet Kune Do came to excistent. ruclips.net/video/-vCpCxBQVpk/видео.html
Sifu Jason! I'm glad you made this video. The reasons you listed, were also the reasons that I haven't been a fan of JKD at all. There are too many RUclips Videos with guys copying Bruce Lee. Just silly. And then there's a guy who claims to have updated the system! How arrogant! Anyway, I'm not a practitioner of JKD ( I train Wing Chun), but I like very much the perspectives and explanations of make on both Wing Chun and JKD. Kudos to you!
In JKDC, cross-training in multiple arts aids in the totality and development of the individual's self-expression. Martial arts gives us solutions to different threats and situations. But no one martial art has all the answers. As we grow, we look for more efficient responses and methods as it enables us to better problem-solving. The "problem" can be someone trying to choke you out, punch your face in, or maybe attack you with a weapon. Early days of no-holds-barred fighting, many fighters quickly realized their inabilities and effectiveness in different aspects of the fight. People naturally sought out better methods to make them more "complete". With this said, it is a process and and as you mentioned, many get caught up in the complexity and become confused by it and most never get passed that phase. Ultimately it's to absorb it enough where it becomes the way you move.
Cohesive and insightful argument in what might be still the salient detail of the underpinning philosophical intent and the pragmatic reality of the work rate to develop skill and personality on the person practising it. Great talk
I am not really up on the history but I always got the impression that JKD was Lee's personal method that was changing all the time because he just couldn't stop refining it. My understanding is that at the time of his death he had abandoned, or marginalized, a great deal of the methods he had been using just a few years earlier. If he had lived, it would be very different than we know it today. Isn't the problem that some people trained at a particular time, and got stuck at that time because Lee was no longer there to guide them? After the basic skills, you were supposed to find your own way, based on your genetics, mainly. But I agree that to follow the principals he taught you would work constantly on the basics and not get caught up in the desire to emulate others with more skill or style.
I think the Issue with JKD is that Bruce lee died so young so the art never really got a chance to mature with its founder, I currently train JKD at one academy and also at another academy that teaches Urban Krav maga and BJJ, UKM is a mix of krav maga and MMA thing is there are a lot of similarities with JKD. I find that one academy's teachings help me cover the flaws in the other which is surely the point of JKD philosophy?
I think the hardest party of JKD is exclusion- it’s hard to throw out techniques or principles when you see the value in them. Every attack has the “perfect” counter, and it’s somewhat human nature to expand our vocabulary- we want to add more to what we know. That being said, I tend to agree- being really really good at a handful of moves is far better than dabbling in everything. Even Bruce said he fears not the man that has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.
Step one, don’t read the Tao of Jkd and think you know Jkd. Step two, if you are training to pose like Bruce did in his movies, it’s probably not Jkd. Step 3. Jkd can be applied to any art, but not the other way around. Take a kick you learned, a punch, look at how you were taught, and find ways to make it more efficient, simple, etc. that’s applying a “Jkd philosophy” or concept to other arts. The system of it is like umbrella skills, basic human movements that are supposed to be in conjunction with the way our bodies are designed. Why do we start by hitting with a vertical fist? Engages lats, biggest muscle in our upper body, promotes hip rotation, hip rotation builds momentum to make the next movements stronger. Cool, once we understand the structure of shaping a hit at its simplest and most efficient form, then we can make it our own. A fist can turn sideways, become a finger jab, an elbow. At the end of the day it’s still a “hit” Side note, who did you train under?
I believe ( providing how liberated the practitioner is) any martial art can fix into another without no lessons at all from JKD. I recalled when I was a teenager, I read Bruce said he wished he never gave "the way of the intercepting fist" a name, people will confuse Jeet Kune Do as an art. Today JKD practitioners R still rehearsing" the same fighting methods Bruce did back in his time. Bruce had what I call" martial perception" which is a liberated look at how one can apply a martial move or strategy from other fields of martial arts & fit their purpose to end a fight👊 efficiently & quickly.
I feel like nobody is taking the time to read Bruce Lee’s article in Black Belt magazine. He laid it all out, but people still go with their own interpretations.
Some thoughts Sifu Jason: there’s this tension revolving around the idea of evolution. Bruce was constantly evolving. The key seems to be his pursuit of principles. At the point of his death was he done? I don’t think so. I understand we as humans have limited attributes as in arms and legs. I agree trying to pursue multiple systems is not efficient. Bruce didn’t try to master boxing, fencing or savate each being a lifelong endeavour. He tried to distill the principles. Most people don’t have the attributes nor the resources to pursue such a pursuit. So we have people cobbling together bits and pieces without doing justice to any particular system. I do think there are other principles to be explored. If Bruce were still around he would be obviously be quite old as I am and so he as I am be interested in other aspects of efficiency beyond just speed and power building on his ever developing sensitivity, timing and conservation of energy whilst making his opponent make exhausting mistakes. He would also explore multiple attackers and clinch scenarios. And being older he perhaps would revisit the internal martial arts and may be ending up saving them from the retirement home. Sorry grandma.
I think the one reason Jeet Kune Do is in a such a bad name in some sense, is probably the marketing and embarassing exposure. Let's just say, Jeet Kune Do is the martial art created by Bruce Lee which he is considered the most popular martial artist of all time and almost a lot of JKD schools are basically doing or training exactly what he was doing. The evolution of JKD is basically stunted to a point where most JKD practitioners are basically moves or trains like him. As for the embarassing exposure, is when passionate practioners of JKD participate in MMA competitions and loses embarassingly as the general public seeing JKD practitioners as the Bruce Lee "fanboys" in the martial art community. Sifu Jason, you're probably my go-to JKD channel to watch, or even possibly of my go-to martial arts youtube channel. It's funny that you're probably the only few JKD teachers that doesn't look Bruce Lee-esque but open-minded and make JKD what it is meant to be, The Way of Intercepting Fist. Shout out from Malaysia. It is a shame there is no JKD school in Malaysia. Being trained by you would be the best thing in my martial arts learning curve. To finish this comment, be like water not the cup. 👊
bron liew 🙏. Wow. I’m humbled to read that and thank you for it. And sorry we can’t be in Malaysia and here too...hopefully the ideas and truth spreads and makes instructors/coaches that way! Anyway, thanks again for the input.
@@JKDandWingChun Thank you, Sifu Jason for creating good videos of Wing Chun and JKD. Actually, I can learn JKD while I can able to learn Wing Chun as in Southeast Asia Wing Chun is way more popular than JKD as we all know the Ip Man movie boom. It will always be a possibility for me to train with you at the US in future. 😄
@@JKDandWingChun In fact, whenever I looked at a Jeet Kune Do youtube channels, I kind expect these elements that the Sifus are always showing to viewers which is the ones that give JKD a bad name. 1) Excessive amounts of crazy/aesthetic/cool looking trapping moves 2) One inch punch 3) Obviously the side kick 4) And specific/unique exercise that is based on what Bruce did in the photos 5) The secret/special technique in JKD to improve fighting The thing is, you didn't show any or maybe less. That is why you deserve more subscribers. In fact, you're maybe the most subscribed JKD youtube channel (if someone can verify this). Yeah, I think any JKD channels that were being bashed by Dominick Izzo are ended up being unnoticed by the people.
This isn't logical. You can't define a subject and argue against it. That's a fallacy. The mess is due to division, politics, and economics. Most martial arts camps don't do this the way JKD continues to do. Thanks for bring up the subject and providing a good example of why we aren't one community.
Jeet kune do is not a martial art, it is a philosophy of no limit as a limit, it is an approach to martial arts and life. Bruce Lee said that he didn't even want to name it as this puts a limitation on it right away, he described jeet kune do as a boat to get you across the water but then it must be left behind, not carried on your back. A bit like the finger pointing to the moon analogy he uses in enter the dragon. The finger is pointing to absolute truth but you should not be staring at the finger, the finger is just a guide. I am not the best person to put this into words. I think the only way someone can understand what Jeet kune do is, is to read the tao of Jeet Kune Do. But one thing is for sure, Bruce Lee did not want people to copy his movements and make it into a system or Martial art. He didn't belive in crystallising, that is what he thought was wrong with traditional methods, he points out that combat is a living changing reality that no rigid system can handle in a life and death situation, only the artist himself who must not limit himself with set techniques. Or at least that's how I understood it when I read it. 🤔
If you point the finger to the Moon ,how can you see it in daylight 🤔? Thus, the explanation of the kid looking at the finger 😀! Jeet Kune Do is a martial art just as Boxing & Judo. The word " Martial" means War & the word"Art" means Creative Expressions. When considering the words "Martial Arts" do you draw a picture staring at it believing this is the completion of your artistic ability? Are do you draw other pictures exploring your talent for creativity? Many of us believe Martial Arts is punching , kicking & wrestling, yet, there is more definitions to the words! Any soldier ( front private to General) is a martial artist because of the engagement of war inflicting bodily harm on adversaries useing military weapons. Strategies to out maneuver enemy forces are martial arts being applied by thinking. JKD is "rehearsal" education ( as other Hand 2 Hand combat forms) ,but, still effective & efficient base on the belief of the practitioner & NOT the style or theories of others.
@@thomashenderson7481 My thoughts are that martial arts, can also represent psychological combat or self defence, from others verbal attacks and mind games. It can also be applied as a self defense against negative emotions of our own psychie that has been absorbed from negative life experiences that hinder us from living a happy life! I believe that the goal of martial arts is peace on multiple levels both for society and the individual.. The art of war is actually the art of peace, the highest level of combat is to master life so that combat is never needed 🙂.
Yeah I believe the name says it all. Intercepting fist. That's it. Bruce was obsessed with speed and landing first. Not striking first but landing first. The reason he studied the arts he did is because I think he believed they had the cleanest fastest attacks for his personal build and style of moving. As soon as he created it he wanted to throw it out because I believe he realized maybe these movements don't work for everyone. Pacquiao for instance is left handed and fights that way and has a hell of a lot of speed and power in both hands so there is no reason to retrain him to fight righty and say this is the correct way. I think the way of the intercepting fist is just that and any system of fighting can be that its a philosophy not a style. A philosophy that the purest form of fighting is to be so sharp in mind, so fast and relaxed in body that you can see an attack coming and intercept it. Whether you are doing that with karate, boxing, wing chun, or a completely free form style of fighting that you created on the spot, doesn't matter. Whatever way of moving in combat that feels the cleanest to you as an individual in that moment is what works. It is the fighter not the style that wins the fight, every time. Just my two scents. Thanks for the video sifu. Amituofo!
I watched some of you're videos at first I didn't know what to expect but after watching I've liked the fact you don't just stick to traditional wing chung you modernize it in order to fight the times and styles yu could face keep going man
I've trained in both the concepts school of thought and traditional. One school I trained at had an alter of Bruce Lee set up. After 25 years of JKD/FMA I have come to the conclusion that my current BJJ instructor is my best JKD instructor. If you think about that and train BJJ at all you will understand.
You have hit it on the nail,,been confused for years.two different paths for myself, One,I agree partly with Matt Thornton he's a great modern Martial Arts Thinker, , Two, I agree on all of Tommy Carruthers JKD. his is simple, straight forward, Tommy Carruthers is JKD.same with Greenville Academy keeping JKD alive. .for future generations.hopefully.
A lot of JKD out there completely overlook ground fighting/how to fight on your back, how to wrestle. I know going to the ground is a last resort, but often it's unavoidable
What you state is true, a lot of people from various fighting arts do overlook where fights go to the ground. And as you stated going to the ground for most is usually a last resort. FYI for those who may not know who Sifu Larry Hartsell was, which was one of the original students of Si Gung Bruce Lee, it was Sifu Larry Hartsell who incorporated and promoted wrestling with JKD concepts from the very beginning. Here are 2 links for anyone who wishes to know more about the late Sifu Larry Hartsell (15 August 1942 - 20 August 2007). lhjkd.com/about-larry.html "or" www.jkd.gr/larryhartsell.html
Living in Chicago as a young teen in the early 80’sJKD taught me that the long way home kept me safe. And when that didn’t work, I had to fight. Sometimes on the ground, I had to bite. I didn’t learn JKD to look good, I learned to survive. It kept me alive...
I think a major concern for me about JKD you forgot to mention is marketing allowance. Bruce’s daughter and wife appear to have all control over all/most rights. My prior instructor had severe apprehension over marketing anything with the symbol of the art I love. Instead of always cashing a check on legacy please consider its future! BTW the instructor had instructor certification from Guru Dan Inosanto. Very disheartening... If community can’t even advertise as a Bruce Lee philosophy/art then this may die soon. BTW I’ve been studying JKD for over 5 years along with many other martial arts (BJJ, Muay Thai, Boxing, Kali, HEMA, etc..)
I thought Shannon and Linda only had rights over "Jun Fan" as the name Jeet Kune Do itself is too diluted for them to claim ownership, trademark or otherwise.
There is a higher level of JKD that no one ever talks about in public. When the spirit becomes the warrior. When this happens you do not do anything. You are just a spectator. And the spirit warrior cannot be defeated.
@@machida58 @Pro Male Revolutionary nope. I actually did it. I used to box and in one fight I just let go. I do not know how else to describe it - but someone else took over. And I was amazed when my hand would punch the other guy in the nose, repeatedly, because I did not know the punch was coming or going to be more exact. And over the years I have read about many people doing this. You will find stories of women that were attacked, for example, that say I hit him and knocked him down but I didn`t even know it, in fact at first I thought someone else had hit him (her attacker). Or people saying. The next thing I knew I was just hitting him without even thinking about it - it was like someone else was doing it - like I was an observer. Maybe it is the subconscious and when we are in danger if we do not act then our subconscious does.
@Wolfgath I think that it is much, much deeper than that. I have been in a zone playing football and was not only unstoppable but `unchallengable`. But this is much more. Look for the You Are Two video. I have had several experiences that suggested that this isreal and then there are the split brain experiments where `one` does something and the `other` makes up a reason why or when one hand lights a cigarette the other outs it out or one hand buttons the shirt and the other unbuttons it. Quickly, one day I was driving a truck with a very expensive item in the back - like Miss Daisy Driving - and on the way home after work in my car I kept driving that way and had to `stop myself` a few times. Who was doing that? On another day I saw a car accident and went to run to help - but my feet did not move. I actually looked down at them. Another time very late at night in the middle of winter and nowhere I was walking home at 2 am down a dark street and a car full of men stopped next to me with their lights off - I put my hand in my jacket as if I had a gun and looked at them and they drove off. The problem is - my hand went into my jacket on its own and I looked at them to say `Did you see that???` The `other you` takes over and acts to save itself when you don`t do it. You are two. And so are we.
To me, the core of JKD: " To reach me you must move to me " That's Philosophy yes, but ..........we gotta remember how he came to this realization. Interception is the heart and soul and I feel it's not even about ' counter attack ' ........ It's Attack BEFORE you're attack. A fight FIRST STARTS verbally. Unless a DICK just punch you in the face out the blue, contact leads to verbal altercation. An altercation is a FIGHT, be it verbal or physical Bruce Lee had it right ...... for the wrong reason. During that fight, he was ( reported ) CHASING after his opponent. Bruce was going after him. That's not JKD " To reach me, you must move TO ME " If Bruce would have been in the fight with a JKD mindset .......the fight probably would not have happened. Really. The guy ( reported ) didn't want to fight Bruce but Bruce kept up the pressure. He got tired and wondered how he could end a fight quicker Easy Don't fight ...... LOL !!!!! JKD , to me, is self defense. Bar none and even Shannon Lee says this. Bruce had the correct mentality but for the wrong reason and THAT is why JKD is misconstrued at times. Even in this video, and I've said it before. While we gotta train for the moment and spar to understand the principles of fighting. Footwork being the most important. JKD is not about even fighting. Self defense is not about fighting. Bruce was a Master tactician and a great fighter, but when he says: " The art of fighting, without fighting " He was saying to use your mind. Use Logic to get out of a situation before it even goes there and even if if does, use the most SIMPLE method to end it........like luring your opponent on a boat out in the ocean ...... LOL !!!!! JKD get confused because we are still confused as to it's basic principle: Interception In more layman terms. Stop the fight before it begins and IF it goes down, end it quickly and move on. That's JKD
A MAN IN A FRONTAL POSITION AND IN MID RANGE SHOUTING AT YOU AND YOU GIVE HIM A HINT YOU WANT TO KICK HIM IN THE NUTS, HE PROBABLY BACKS OFF FROM FIGHTING YOU, THAT CAN BE SAID THE ART OF FIGHTING WITHOUT FIGHTING, AND THAT IS STILL A FIGHTING STRATEGY
Actually, the constant bickering between the different branches of JKD is ruining JKD. In the final passage of the Tao, Bruce said that, if people argue over what JKD is and what it isn't, he would rather the name disappeared.
Dwight Woods fair question. My answer is that no Concepts authority has ever offered a solid definition of what the big concept is. There’s so much equivocation that it lends towards my critique that JKD is everything so, therefore, nothing. In saying that, I’m unaware of any definition that meets the standard of non-contradictory identification and the law of identity. The Concepts group has, despite their philosophical failures, been correct that Lee’s method is a theoretical system at its heart. This is to their credit. But all practice is the practice of a theory, right? So the goal should be logical consistency within the theory and external coherence with the facts of reality. Relativism/pluralism, being self-defeating philosophies, are incapable of delivering such consistency. Since the mainframe of JKD Concepts is fundamentally relativistic, it suffers the same fate - that being, logical incoherence. Lastly, yours is certainly not a “hate” comment, but exactly the sort of debate we need to grow. I love to hear from those that disagree with my definitions and am eager to grow from such discussions. It’s been my experience, unfortunately, that your questions are the exception rather than the norm. Thanks for that. I rather enjoy these “chats.” 🙏
@@JKDandWingChun , I'll submit that someone like Chris Kent, one of Dan Inosanto's most senior active students long ago showed in an Inside Kung Fu (I believe) article showed how the "concept" of Five Ways of Attack could be applied to the Single Stick from Filipino Kali, easily illustrating that the idea of attack cannot be limited to empty hands only... Would that qualify as adherence to a central JKD idea? This article dates back to the 1980s or 1990s... I believe we could find similar submissions by people like Burton Richardson as well... But I'll be the first to admit that enough clarification has not yet been done by enough qualified people to clearly illustrate why (the true) JKD Concepts is not at all any kind of a violation.... all of this sounds to me like a return visit by you to The JKD Dialogues, doesn't it?
But don’t you know, all fights go to the ground? Ha ha. Here’s somethings the BJJ guys never want to hear. What do you do after the opponent (me) pokes your eye out? What do you do when the opponent (me) clamps on like a pit bull? Oh, the Gracies at the beginning would teach pinching an opponents legs arms etc to get them to release get agitated etc. Try that nowadays and nobody will spar with you. Great video. And, yes I’m left handed. Too!
If you try to bite or poke a BJJ fighter in a dominant position he will bite you and poke you back. If you make him angry he can break your limps or suffocate you (if not worse). NEVER make someone angry when your are in a inferior position, fight to get a superior position first.
From my perspective, JKD is essentially MMA. The main difference is that Bruce didn't intend it to be a sport. You what is useful for you, and throw away what's not needed. Simply, simplify. You can train in whatever styles you want, and come up with your own way from that experience(just like MMA fighters do in the sport). I'd say add a ground art like BJJ, Tai Chi, Judo or wrestling to complement your striking.
Jeet Kun Do was never meant to be taught because you can't teach it...Bruce Lee knew this...he couldn't really teach it also and he knew this that's why in his own words " Jeet Kun Do is like boat to get you across the river and when you cross the river you leave the boat at the river" Jeet Kun Do was never a physical thing it's all mental....its a way of thinking nothing else...and if someone is teaching JKD there is a problem....because the whole philosophy is self discovery and that can never be taught...it could on be explored...and practiced..there is no master of JKD not even Bruce...Lee was only the father of JKD...
Years ago, I studied "Bruce's" art at the Inosanto Academy in Los Angeles, California. I was there for 6 years. That was 18 years ago, and it has only been within the last 5 years that I have realized how much of a watered-down, hodge-podge they have turned "Bruce's" art into. This realization has come about due to watching your videos, Tommy Carruthers' videos, RUclips videos of Bruce actually training and displaying his art, and, surprisingly, old "Green Hornet" episodes where Bruce's technique was more direct and a little less of the fancy "Hollywood" style that he later developed for the Big screen. In the "Green Hornet" fighting sequences, Bruce does less flying kicks and more groin kicks, knee kicks, shin stomps, instep stomps, throat strikes, (lots of neck and throat strikes) etc., etc., etc. The Jeet Kune Do/Jeet June Do Concepts that is being taught by most supposed Jeet Kune Do instructors nowadays totally lacks the whole principle of interception - attacking as your opponent attacks - not being where he expects you to be - and thereby catching him off-guard. They have mixed too much western boxing into it. Bruce added some elements of western boxing into his art, but only those aspects that supported the concept of interception (hit first and not get hit). They have also added all of this Muay Thai style shin kicks into "Jeet Kune Do/Jeet June Do Concepts" (which is a good ring sport, but not the most efficient way to defend yourself in the street against an attacker that outweighs you by 50 or 60 pounds) as well as Kali and even some penchak silat, which goes by the exact opposite principle of interception and hitting first, etc.) These current Jeet Kune Do/Jeet June Do Concepts instructors (most of whom are of the Inosanto lineage) seem to believe that the more arts/styles they can add to the mix, the better the art will be. So now, Jeet Kune Do/Jeet June Do Concepts has evolved into a smorgasbord of different martial arts from around the world, all with different, conflicting principles that weigh and slow the art down, just like driving your car with the emergency brake on. This is why Jeet Kune Do has become so ineffective and people now doubt it and say "it's not any good" and "definitely inferior to MMA," etc., etc., etc. I am sure Bruce would be rolling over in his grave if he knew how those he trusted have exploited and commercialized his art for their own financial gain. I think he suspected this might happen, which is why he began to close down his schools as his film career exploded.
I do not believe you are telling the truth. If you were at the inosanto academy and studied in the “phase” classes, you were taught pure unadulterated Jun Fan gung fu. In fact, Sifu Nakamura was the teacher there 18 years back and he was a stickler for absolute adherence to Bruce’s material in those classes, with handouts, terminology, dummy forms, all even taught as it was in the 60’s. You are full of it to say the class was a smorgasbord of material. That’s what you “original” JKD frauds don’t get. Inosanto has never diluted the original material. He only teaches the pure original material in the phase classes.If you went to the academy you would know that. He does teach other arts, and that makes him a better martial artist. And he used to, on rare, and I mean rare, occasion, use a JKD term when teaching another art, for example teaching a boxing combination and calling it A.B.C. Can you imagine that? How unreasonable. He just diluted JKD. Or preforming a Kali technique like enganyo and pointing out that it is a PIA. That doesn’t mean he added it to the original material. You can express another art in JKD terminology and not be altering Jun Fan gung fu. Let me put it this way. Bruce advocates the totality of combat. He has said using elbows is a legitimate tool in a fight. How do you train your elbows? Why not try a little Muay Thai and see how they train elbows? Maybe Krav Maga, or even Shotokan? Now don’t get confused and think you learned a hundred techniques and diluted your art. They are still YOUR elbows. You just learned different ways to train them-Thai pads, sparring, conditioning. That didn’t decrease them, it improved your ability to use them and made you more familiar with them as tools. You didn’t add 20 elbows to JKD. You just trained your own personal elbows, your friends since you were born. Get it? Finally, the difference between “original” JKD and JKD seems to come down to adherence to ONLY the original material. Great. Please then admit openly that you believe in that limitation instead of no limitations. Admit your personal research must really be Bruce’s research. Admit your JKD should look like his JKD. Show your loyalty to Bruce Lee by denying him.
@@unionmichael Yes, I was at the Inosanto Academy 18 years ago and YES, sifu Yori Nakamura was my instructor in Jun Fan gung fu as well as Shoot Wrestling, which I also studied there for 4 of the 6 years that I was there. Some other people who were there at that time who I trained with that you may be familiar with were Eric Paulson, Diana Lee Inosanto (Dan's daughter and a very sweet person), her husband Ron Balicki, Chad Stahelski (director of the "John Wick" films), etc., etc., etc. These people were more senior than I, but I trained with them, sparred with them, grappled with them, etc. I still have many of my old Inosanto Academy membership cards, which we had to get stamped every month when we paid our class fees. So, sorry to disappoint you Mr. Michael, but yeah, I was there, for 6 years. And I do agree with you, somewhat, in that I believe that the Jun Fan taught by sifu Nakamura 18 years ago is much closer to Bruce's idea of JKD than what is being taught now. As you will notice by what I said above, most of my criticism is on how Jeet Kune Do/Jeet June Do Concepts is CURRENTLY being taught. I believe the instruction was much better 18 years or so ago. Yori Nakamura was (and I assume still is) a HUGE Bruce Lee fan and collector, and I am sure he taught his Jun Fan classes close to how he believed Bruce would have wanted them taught. Unfortunately, his English was not so fluent back then, so a lot of the details and explanation were left out or glossed over. As far as it all being "taught as it was in the 60’s," I was not there back in the 60's, nor was sifu Nakamura, so neither of us can speak on that. But, the Jun Fan that sifu Nakamura taught, was taught to him by Dan Inosanto, NOT the source, Bruce Lee, so I don't know if it was the "pure unadulterated Jun Fan gung fu." Mr. Inosanto likes to add his own mix to the brew!
Derek Mitchell Now I know you’re full of it. Ron and Diana were teaching at their own place 18 years ago and only trained privately with their dad at that point. Chad also wasn’t there often at all since the 90s. Eric also had his own school. Also, you fraud, if you were in the phase classes you were told many times what you were learning and when it was taught by Dan in Bruce’s Chinatown school,as Dan kept copious notes. So fill me in on how you were given this new material presented as new JKD curriculum???? What class were they telling you that Silat was now part of the Jun Fan curriculum?????? Better yet, who are these current instructors under inosanto who are showing all of this new material as JKD????? The folks you named were there 38 years ago- you cant possibly have been there for 6 years and remained this completely dense. But let’s make it easy- who was working the desk? In 2002, what street was the school on? What was the business next door? Were you ever told shoot wrestling was JKD????? You took it for 4 years, right? Matter of fact, in 6 years, what phase class were you up to?
I feel you made solid points. I don't agree on your opinion of concept instructors but I may have had had good instructor. he trained under Dan. I felt like his way of JKD was good it was something that worked for him cuz as he told me w aren't Bruce. I remember my first day he made start off orthodox stance (putting my strong head in the back) we did the basics but in the way he felt right. JKD and wing Chun one day than other arts like Muay Thai the next. I felt it was beneficial for success depending on what you looking for. My Sifu developed my strength (realized I had boxing potential) and developed my weaknesses like my kicks . The thing that stands we took what was useful and discarded what wasn't effective for us. JKD created MMA and has inspired countless MMA and fighters across the world cuz they got one thing right. They created there own style. I feel we learn the basics create something of our own thats effective.
Nothing wrong with your honest opinion it shows the obvious move away from what JKD was "is" non traditional for an individual & seeking progression through using no set routine , a continuous learning & adaptation to ones own physical capabilities
I think part of the problem is that Bruce Lee created a philosophy about the practice of martial arts then applied that to the martial arts techniques he had ready access too. People then packaged this together into a martial arts "system" that was basically "be like Bruce Lee and do what he did". To my knowledge none of his most successful students fought like Bruce at all since they had different strengths and weaknesses.
Well if they call you names Jason, prove your theory by challenging them to a friendly contest. U see flaws in JKD just Ng Mui did 300 years ago in traditional kung fu which inspired her to find an art that eventually became known as Wing Chun. Bruce Lee got into heated🔥 arguments about the "martial arts mess that plagues "us because of set styles & traditions. There's a mixed martial artist in China who was vilify for 17 consecutive victories . When one presents an obstacle the idea is not to trash the effectiveness of something different , but to learn how to grow from those obstacles so you can be better.
You remind me of another JKD instructor who was my boxing trainer back in the late 2000s. Imagine my surprise since I was trained in jkd back in the early 90s during the height of the Paul Vunak kali fma infusion. It was fun and I thought I was learning a lot until this dude told me that I needed to learn 4 or 5 moves and learn them well.
Great logic, Bro. I don't study your art, I've studied American Kenpo Karate and different Arts, MMA, ect, I'm now presently studying FMA . I've found in my own experience, learn foundational skills, learn what actually works in reality based self defence, and practice those techniques over and over. As Bruce Lee said " I'd rather fight someone who knows a thousand techniques, than some one who has practiced a technique 1000 times. I hope I quoted that accurately, but you can catch my drift. Simple accuracy in a few well thought thru techniques is better than a whole lot of techniques which you have to think thru at the moment of combat of which to choose.
What? 😲 A JKD instructor says it takes 10 to 20 years??!! These instructors wants cashed cow students to pay them for lessons 4 an excessively amount of time! In takes a about 3 years to master any martial art including Jeet Kune Do! Absorb what is useful deplete what is not make what is essencely your own! Words of Bruce Lee himself. If Bruce could rename Jeet Kune Do an appropriate replacement would be" Man Can Do"! Because it's humanly possible to add moves from other arts to fix the ideologies of the liberate man.
I think JKD was on really understood by Bruce himself..and Ip Man didn't like the fact Bruce took WC and added a few other ideas to it and went on to "create" a new style..
@@patrickhartnett7253 Your right Patrick , Bruce , of course, understands the theories of the hybrid expressions he created. The Follies of some, one studies an art & is the best practitioner of the art, thinks there's no other reasons learn other styles. Yip Man thought Wing Chun is all Bruce need to know & additional knowledge from other martial arts is slap in the face of the original art. Only in recent decades the Wing Chun community has accepted & respected the education of other martial arts & this comes from Bruce Lee NOT Yip Man. PRIDE: the quintessential Follies of man, will always be the downfall of man because lack of change & perceptions. Bruce Lee had no limitations in those regards.
I think a lot of people got some of the ideas right being simple, direct and expressing yourself authentically but they don’t get that JKD and it’s flow state are formless principles that continue to evolve not stagnant. Some of the lineage practitioners are starting to resemble old karate master by gatekeeping and never getting into the area to prove the validity and refine to be competitive. After a while it makes them predictable and extremely linear while other combat art evolve we remain stagnated by tradition and lineage feuds. I also think a lot of people don’t accurately grasp the philosophy of JKD, it is partly inspired by Buddhism and that void doesn’t mean expulsion of all existence but living in the continuous moment not sleep but not being anxious. Let go of the ego, calm your mind, analyze, intercept, explode. Express. It is also a very terrible shame for almost all of the lineage instructors that they do not teach the philosophy to go with the traditional JKD and the concept. JKD. This is almost all instructors. But instead they choose to cling to the recent lineage with such ferocity. Also a lot of these instructors have tons of ego for being in an egoless sport. Just saying maybe we need to examine that more. It is even more shameful that all of these lineage instructors cannot get along and cannot form a Federation dedicated to the continuation of jkd both traditional and conceptual. I think one without the other is only half efficient. Limited in a limitless concept.
Jeet Kune Do stands for all possibilities of the martial arts, yet, has no boundaries as in the styles you mentioned has limitations to whatever moves their system been studying for centuries! That why JKD stands along publicly speaking!
I thought of JKD as a guideline through your martial arts journey. As I moved through Tang SoonDo, Hapkido, Aiki Jujutsu, BJJ I always kept in mind to try to keep the simplest techniques, the techniques that worked best for my body, the techniques that worked best for the way I liked to fight. I certainly never tried to fight like Bruce, I think that’s a mistake. I just recently started taking an actual JKD class so I’m interested it how that’s going to play out.
You are totally correct. Really, any well trained martial arts should read Bruce Lee’s books on the subject, particularly the Tao of Jeet Kune do and put it into practice in order to understand where Bruce Lee was coming from. I think that one has to know some Wing Chun, boxing, Bruce’s footwork (very important), some things from their base martial art (whatever that might be), grappling, and anything effective for you that you find along the way. Bruce Lee slayed his conception of martial arts out in Tao of Jeet Kune Do. I think that trying to add a lot to it or having a fixed (Bruce Lee way) of doing things outside of the core concepts gets people into trouble.
My JKD (concepts..) instructor from years ago would say that JKD is like tailoring your own suit, and then trying to trick your opponent into trying it on. 😄
. 1. Jeet Kune Do is personal 2. Guro Burton Richardson, Blaise Loong, not only train Jun Fan Curriculum but also go into other arts African , Brazilian etc but not until after having a very good grasp of the basics. I agree some people are over thinking and others are original only.. the reason Guro Dan has us training so long is high stated I. Condition and knowledge.
Werid: I always imagined a good JKD school would allow full contact. Seems like not doing it would’ve getting away from something Bruce was looking for.
@@talesfromthetoiletseat8295 vast majority of schools practice drills and do a lot of trapping. A few will do sparing drills. But most with few a exceptions, say that sparring will bad habits as a fight must be finished quickly and when you spar you learn to pace yourself to do rounds.
@@doubleb222able , interesting. While I see what they're getting at, they're ignoring what Bruce lee said himself. You can't learn how to fight without sparring experience. It's like trying to learn how to swim on dry land. Agreed that sparring is a staple.
The thing I liked about practicing JKD rather than my original martial arts style Kung Fu San Soo was that it emphasized on reality rather than simulation all the other martial arts that I took afterwards gave me a greater insight on how to use their style because I had such a good insight programmed into me from practicing JKD
Great analogy! This is where Bruce made his mistake of not actually getting the core benefits of a traditional system. All lineage worthy systems, with experienced instructors and dojos teach practical fighting along with traditional science of bunkai!,..after the student has reached a certain level of training physically and mentally,.. showing that they are completely humbled, loyal and worthy of receiving that higher level of info. And Many traditional systems/dojos adapted techniques from various sources to aid in the "what works for you ideology" with mixed martial arts techniques, long before Bruce Lee was even born!. However, although Bruce Lee was exceptionally talented, I believe he would have had a more solid foundation for the JKD system, had he humbled himself just a little bit longer with his original teachers as they would have shared with him more secret information and he would have had more respect and a better understanding of traditional purposes that would have ultimately lead to a better foundation for JKD!
Jeet June Do is only being ruined in certain places by certain people who are unable to free their mind. They don't hear they "listen," and not intently. Then there are the Jedis. These are the folks that excel towards greatness like a fish learns to swim.
Have you read Jidda Kristhnamurti? Bruce was heavily influenced by Jiddu, and what J talks about applies to JKD - ultimately JKD is not a style and that is something hard to grasp for many JKD-ppl. One has to ask, what is the ultimate goal of martial arts (that is your mind, body, nervous system, muscles etc)
My question for you is, in the landscape of martial arts today, is a “fencing-boxing hybrid born out of Wing Chun” enough to stay a competitive? Put another way, what incentive do people have to train that version of JKD when they could get functional kickboxing, clinch work, and grappling at an MMA gym? I mean those of us who are initiated might point to JKD tactics like broken rhythm and centerline theory and all the other brilliant strategies that make JKD special. But that’s usually not enough to sell people. You make great points, and I don’t think you’re necessarily wrong. Too many concepts schools have too many drills and too little focus on the fundamentals. But that’s not true across the board and, on the flip side, the Concepts crowd is at least keeping pace with the popularization of arts like Muay Thai, wrestling, and jiu jitsu. If you don’t have a decent handle on those areas, you’re simply not prepared for a fight nowadays - interceptions be damned. So I think the “truth” of JKD lies somewhere in the middle of concepts and original: the fundamentals of original with the adaptability and flexibility of concepts. Simplicity should not mean stagnation.
Well said. THIS IS MY OPINION. Bruce knew this would happen. So he closed down all his schools and stopped teaching. But his friends didn't listen but just wanted to cash in on the money and make a living out of Bruce Lee's Art and name. Same as Yip Mans wing chun, the first students are all well off and making a living teaching, even though they weren't qualified or learnt the whole system. That's why Wing Chun & Jkd is in a Classical Mess NOW.
So, I m not a 'JKD" practitioner, believe me, I got no skin in the game, but at the end of the day, what exactly are you advocating? Are you advocating for people to train in Original JKD, JKD Concepts, or should they just train in MMA? I'm not trying to troll or stir any thing up, I just want to understand where you are coming from, and what advice would you give to a child or a total beginner who is thinking about starting Martail Arts training, what Martail Art would you most likely encourage them to try out first?
Great question. We think that training in original JKD is a fantastic way to learn self-defense for literally everyone. But the thing is, the final standard isn’t WHAT Lee did so much as it is WHY he did it. Understanding the supremacy of the straight hitting, counterattack methodology and its integration into the Jeet principle is the key. In other words, we advocate a principled-pragmatism that’s rooted in the works Lee studied (Driscoll, Dempsey, fencing, Ip Man, Ali). This approach delivers us, we believe, from the excesses of the two approaches (concepts and original). Hope this answered your question. Like I said, it’s a great one. Thanks for it and for watching too!
Its funny that people say you have to do it just like Bruce. When Bruce was always adapting. In his book he said to give something a name like Jeet Kune do. Limits it. After all Jeet Kune do mean intercepting fist of foot. That is only one concept derived from Wing Chun. He also said longest weapon to nearest target. Fencing foot work makes it so you can attack and retreat very quickly. Take what is useful and discard what is useless. But even that concept has to be used under real pressure of attack. If we fallow the philosophy of Bruce. You martial arts should have some elements of what he did. But that you are going to study other arts and add to what works for you. Not everyone is a 130 pound short china man. I happed to be about the same higheth of Bruce. But I am a 270 pound white guy. So i take his concepts and study other stuff. But use what works for me. And test it under pressure.
Sifu just keep telling what it is Me myself im off the same principle of keeping stuff simple but works.. Its easier to pas it on the clients for me that did great. And your right adding to much complexity Makes it hard to get a good grip of it Keeping it simple to a view moves but those view moves can work in diferent ways very well.. Intercepting depending on the individual.. And fencing it self is simple yet it gets the swords where you want it to be And for JKD i suppose as long i can get my kick or punch where it needed to be And not get caught myself im good
I knew next to nothing about JKD until I read your book Fundaments of JKD. Just recently I was thinking about what JKD was, unaware of this issue. On my lonesome, I sided toward the Concepts camp. I liken it to a good boxing coach. He teaches the correct way to do things, and his students tell him he created his own martial art. But the coach replies, This style is nothing but correct boxing technique, not a new martial art. JKD is mainly based in principles (as you stated) rather than technique. So you can have JKD styled boxing. Or JKD styled kick boxing. Maybe even JKD styled wrestling. Whereas karate's punch is very different than a boxer's punch. JKD blends the two, and subsequently is spawned in realm between principles and style (martial art). My $.02.
Depends on how you use any martial art. Jkd is complex simple structure based on kenetic and rythmic alterations via interception every system and style with measures divided in partiality, fluidity, adaptability,and nothingness. When it comes to messes you up, mess up jkd and you get messed up. Conceptual and absolutely there's absolutely absolution. There's counters for every style and since jkd is of no style but all the encyclopedia and thesaurus and philosophy of the art is what makes it an honor and complete full cycle the various ways to self express, to prepare and to cease that which is telegraphed or not
I agree with you 100 %. For me there is no concepts nor original , there is only jkd. I am a concepts guy who has studied Filipino and muy tai and so on. For me those are separate arts and I only take what is useful for me. Again. Good video.
Good video... as someone myself have studied Martial Arts for over 20yrs... including started in Concepts and trained under Original... I've done much research and only sought out the best of the best and got my insights and made my own determinations and find myself having come back full circle... Some things I agree and disagree with each instructor... IMO those that are in it long enough understand it all, the politics the history etc... opinions all over the place.... I look at the attributes and the skill sets and aliveness of the person at hand, I can determine alot just from a few seconds of a persons training... and of those people I sought out I dont know 1 person that has or is milking JKD out for 10-15yrs for an instructor status? neither do I believe these people that do 20-30hrs of training suddenly become able to teach? just bogus. Alot of people are just terrible at it.
JKD is killing itself with controversies over what it is, what it isnt, bruce lee said this, another of his students said that, what did the book say and what it actually means, etc etc. It also isnt doing itself any favors about disputes about lineage and the need to make money off the name at the expense of others. In a nutshell, JKD was a philosophical device Bruce made to discover himself and express whatever discoveries he made into physical reality. A by product of this device was JKD which happens to be Bruce Lee's personal fighting system. In this system we see elements of what bruce thought was the best mix of techniques from different styles. From his base of wing chun (I essentially deem useless) in his early years to savate and boxing, among others, in his latter years we get to see what bruce thought and did. For the JKD practitioner ( of which I'm not or at least in the sense that I dont want to learn to be bruce lee, I want to be an excellent (me) ), they get to explore his information through books, interviews and the advice of his students. I assume some people want to move and fight like him so they probably study his jun fan wing chun and move on to whatever techniques are instructed such as savate s kicks, boxing's punches, etc. I would consider this approach the prototype of mixed martial arts; the study, technique selection and application of actions of defense, neutralization and offense in order to gain victory over an opponent. I am personally grateful to JKD because it accelerated my technique repertoire and style analysis ability. In my final analysis I grew to like savate, boxing, bjj, judo, muay thai and wrestling which all happen to be competitive martial arts. Classical systems (classical in the sense that they adhere to asian philosophy, religion and social practises NOT in the sense of age) like wing chun, Hung gar, karate,etc are great for exercise, cultural immersion and some very limited skills for self defense but in the whole are not adequate for either competition or legal civilian self defense. If I were to become a JKD student or teacher, I would definitely eliminate wing chun altogether or teach it as a reference course for historical reasons and not practical.
You make some very good points on each end of the spectrum with both The Concepts methodology and the Original JKD methodology-if a technique comes from a place of directness, simplicity , and efficiency it can be included in your personal style. I like things from both methodologies- I guess that would make me a fan of ‘Original Jeet Kune Do Concepts’ :)
He did . It's all striking. The firearm acts as a natural FOOK SAO controlling hand.. if we stay over the hands we need not block .. jkd blocks are strikes
I wish my chief instructor explained this issue to me in a way I can understand. I was trying to get my certification as an instructor on JKD concepts and FMA. I got myself in that confusion and stuck onto complexity. I didnt know what to do or how to become a better instructor. It was frustrating because I was aware how simple it was supposed to be. Yet there I was trying to figure out how to teach simple but effective tactics that are new. I never got certified and the school shut down. I feel like a complete failure now.
That’s really unfortunate. So sorry to hear that. Hopefully this video and our other material have helped you see JKD for the brilliantly simple self-defense system it is. Thanks so much for watching! 🙏
In my opinion Jeet Kune Do died when Bruce Lee died because he was the inventor of the concept and the Art of fighting and it all came from his mind his creation so in reality nobody knew back then with Bruce Lee was thinking or nor could they read his mind so that's why the original Jeet Kune Do from Bruce Lee himself can't be any more in this time
They do that in other arts as well. Just look at Aikido. Everyone wants to be Ueshiba and has caused the art to not be worth shit the way the majority of the styles teach it. They ignore that Ueshiba said that striking is key to Aikido, but they don't strike. It's also a grappling form but they ignore that as well.
Dan Inosanto said Bruce could shell shock you will the straight lead saying most people can't. I think this is why he went to his roots. Respect to Inosanto however because he understood Bruce would use anything that work even Tennis he said 😆
As always, good lesson Sifu. Seems this is essentially your first book in ten minutes. As always, principles are of prime importance and inform all that follows. Thanks for the excellent reminder!
Come to think of it...this whole concept really does make sense if and only if you know how to grasp, understand, and of course be able to absorb the principles and the mechanics behind it...look at or consider Jon Jones and the way he keeps winning matches in the Octagon no matter who his opponents were...heck, for all we know he could be using Jeet Kune Do all along and nobody figured it out that he did...!!!
I would like to dd that losing the side, oblique camera angle would be a good idea as it has become somewhat of a tired and annoying cliche. I prefer eye contact, thank you.
Jeet Kune Do can never truly be" burn out "because it effectiveness lies with the practitioner. The liberated man is one who really & truly understand the philosophical creativity of his imagination & don't completely follow an instructor's paths as a martial artist.
I am confident that if Bruce Lee was alive today he would claim to teach MMA, open a gym and name it "Jun Fan's MMA" or "Jeet Kune Do MMA" , just like in the beggining, when he claimed to teach "Jun Fan Gung Fu" rather than simply "Kung- Fu". Basically take the most useful parts of MMA and attach them to his JKD "skeleton". If you think about it, one could say that JKD's philosophy of adding new things that suit you is basically the prototype of MMA.
jkd should be taught in a class room with Bruce’s words. jkd was never a system, it’s a way of life. simple way to put it is as you do what helps you. Bruce didn’t teach Steve McQueen the same as James Coburn. People need to do what works for them, and them alone.
Ｉ agree your concern ．Ｉ trained under Sifu Ted Wong for 10 years . Every jkd men forget 3 key elements . SIMPLE DIRECT NON-CLASSICAL jkdman have to refine his tools ( punch kick footwork ) Especially footwork !
As a JKD Concepts guy I say good video and you have articulated very well things that I have thought about over the years. Your content has helped me streamline my JKD & Wing Chun. Thanks Sifu and stay safe!
The thing I don't like about this video
is that it doesn't have enough views
truth
8:50 actually Anderson Silva says himself he tries to fight like Bruce Lee and he fights power side forward (a righty) and often counters and intercepts
Jkd trains both sides, all angles ,and all parts of the mind and spirit
I recently saw an interview with Tim Tackett that he did a few years back where he essentially said the same thing. He emphasized that both the concepts and the original group were neither one "right." He talked about JKD being well-defined, but open-ended enough that you can adapt things that work better for you as an individual. He used the example of BJJ and noted that if Bruce was still around he thought he would have embraced BJJ and "JKD-ized" it! But that is an answer for a specific range that Bruce hadn't yet fully developed before his passing. That is very different from adding in all kinds of other punching/kicking/trapping methods when you already have a well-defined and efficient version in original JKD!
You know there's nothing wrong with ruffling up a some feathers because that's what Bruce lee did when came up with JKD he ruffled the feathers of other martial art disciplines.
You speak true!
@Nic777 ---I don't believe there is such a thing as "JKD principles of combat!?" I think putting it as just "principles of unarmed combatives" would suffice! After all, "a punch is just a punch and a kick is just a kick!" Remember, Bruce said, "if one thinks that JKD is different from this and that, then let the name Jeet Kune Do be wiped out! For that is what it is, just a name."
You are absolutely right. This is the exact track I have followed. Just the lead hand and foot dexterity emphasis alone..enabled me to spar with and defeat 1st 2nd 3rd n 4th degree black belts. Kickboxers and barroom brawlers. As to the why: There is the story I teach my students; a girl asked her mom why she cut the legs ofc the turkey before putting it in the oven she said "because that's how my mom did it. So she asked grandma why she cut the legs off the turkey. And grandma said because that's how my mom always did it. So she asked Great grandma why she cut the legs off her turkey. Great grandma said; Oh my dear I haven't done that since your grandma was little! Back then our oven was very small I had to cut the legs off to shut the door!
Thank you for this video, Sifu Jason.
Several years ago, I studied JKD for a few months at a sanctioned Jun Fan JKD studio (that will remain nameless) before discontinuing. I left feeling disappointed, and scratching my head wondering just what JKD as a martial system was supposed to be. Every lesson was different and I didn’t know if I was going to be showing up for a Muay Thai class, a Wing Chun class, or a BJJ class; it was confusing, to say the least. And, speaking honestly, I signed up because I wanted to learn authentic JKD (and it’s foundation art of Wing Chun), not Muay Thai, BJJ, or even Silat. The impression I took away from my experience is that JKD is nothing more than MMA with multiple arts “cobbled” together with no cohesion, and you learn by cross-training those other martial arts.
Listening to you say that the core of JKD is a boxing/fencing art coming out of Wing Chun (paraphrased) is refreshing, and has again piqued my interest in it. 🙏🏽
Awesome. So glad to help!
"The height of cultivation leads to simplicity"
Great video let’s see if I got it. There is *Confusion* about what JKD is. Thinking that the *Concept* of JKD is the kitchen sink (studying all arts). Therefore adding *Complexity* by incorporating more syles and techniques instead of practicing daily decrease. And if not confused by the concepts and doing all the styles then just *Copying* Bruce Lee and doing Jun Fan Gung Fu.
Just my thoughts as I was confused for a long time. I feel like I was confusing the method that Bruce used, _freeing himself from the classical mess and imposed limitations,_ and the art itself. I then pursued a bunch of arts rationalizing myself *into* the classical mess I was supposedly freeing myself from. Only after I encountered the problems that Bruce had in the classical mess (that I created) was I able to see that the answers were already there. I think others may have similar trouble.
JKD in my humble opinion *is* a conceptual art. Simplicity, efficiency, timing, and Jeet (intercept). Centerline and Longest weapon to nearest target are also crucial, I have a few that I use personally _adding what is uniquely my own,_ but I try to let people know that this is due to my own attributes as I am not Bruce Lee.
This is something that I am currently writing about. Thanks for clarifying. Mind if I use this as a reference? Also it's funny that you mention Tai Chi and American Wrestling as I do both of those arts. Didn't Bruce' father do Tai Chi?
sasoriko nailed it! And feel free to use whatever we put on here.
Also, glad to help you on your journey. Yours is exactly the type of experience we were speaking to. Thanks a bunch for the input.
@@JKDandWingChun , so Sasoriko "nailed it" in saying "JKD in my humble opinion is a conceptual art"... interesting I say!
Dwight Woods ha. Yeah. When you properly define the so-called concepts, and there’s no contradiction in the application of them, that’s what I think we should strive for. The error of JKD Concepts as I understand it is that they rightly conclude that it’s a conceptual - that is, more accurately to say, a theoretical method. But they err by embracing relativism and thereby break the theory-practice integrative chain.
On the other hand, the Original approach is to basically deify Bruce and copy him without considering sound theory. This makes the Original method a “classical mess” so to say.
I believe that the answer is the proper integration of logical theory (interception and non-contradictory mix of offensive-defense) with application.
Love your input, Dwight and I’m honored to have you on here. Hope my reply clarified our position.
Having trained a couple of martial arts systems that made you learn a lot of techniques that make one shake their head, and say Why......???? The simplicity of JKD is it's greatest asset. Thanks for the 'brave" diagnosis.
I like to think of Jun Fan Gung Fu as the name of the art and Jeet Kune Do as the philosophy you learn from it and eventually take into use when you figure out your own individuality in fighting.
Jun fan gung fu is what Bruce Lee himself was doing with the concepts.
Exactly.
I dont think you are right here. Lee said it very clear but people listen to it very difficult. Absorb what is useful, reject what is useless, add what is essentially your own.” The idea of constantly researching and refining your own experience was key to Bruce Lee's way of life. Bruce Lee had a liberary full of other arts and studied them, examine them, try them. Inosanto says Lee was interested and a sponse when it came to other arts and learning different techniques. All to get the job done. Lee took grappling, took wrestling, locking, kicking, boxing and made it his own. And yes he trained everyday multiple hours to get better and better. His wife, his daughter and Dany Inosanto tells us this. Yes Jeet Kune Do is a concept. The concept of being like water. Second its not true that Lee teached his student to train only one side for months. If that so, whats the source of your information. I was watching how you hold pads and it doesnt look you know how to hold them correctly and also the girl looks like a one handed fighter. Im not trying to offend you but that is a very dangerous thing to learn cuz she can easily getting defeated with multiple ways. His daughter still has an agenda of her father where he wrote all this training session down and clearly he was not only training one side. When you watch the fight with Chuck Norris, yes its a movie, but this scene says a lot about Lee. It says that he understood distance, he understood movement, he understood boxing, kicking and this was not only with his right side. No its not about adding styles cuz that is not what Lee did or Jeet Kune Do is all about. Its about techniques from different styles that can make you a better fighter. Last, Lee started with Wing Chun, but he also knew that Wing Chun is limited and most trapping techniques just dont work or is more accidentally. According to Inosanto Lee started his JKD with Wingchun, boxing and Wrestling. But at the end it was maybe one pak sao but more of the other arts added with techniques from savate, jiu jutsu and even muay thai. Thats why most MMA fighters understand Lee filosophy and say Lee was ahead of his time. If you really want to understand how Jeet Kune Do came to excistent. ruclips.net/video/-vCpCxBQVpk/видео.html
Sifu Jason! I'm glad you made this video. The reasons you listed, were also the reasons that I haven't been a fan of JKD at all. There are too many RUclips Videos with guys copying Bruce Lee. Just silly. And then there's a guy who claims to have updated the system! How arrogant! Anyway, I'm not a practitioner of JKD ( I train Wing Chun), but I like very much the perspectives and explanations of make on both Wing Chun and JKD. Kudos to you!
In JKDC, cross-training in multiple arts aids in the totality and development of the individual's self-expression. Martial arts gives us solutions to different threats and situations. But no one martial art has all the answers. As we grow, we look for more efficient responses and methods as it enables us to better problem-solving. The "problem" can be someone trying to choke you out, punch your face in, or maybe attack you with a weapon. Early days of no-holds-barred fighting, many fighters quickly realized their inabilities and effectiveness in different aspects of the fight. People naturally sought out better methods to make them more "complete". With this said, it is a process and and as you mentioned, many get caught up in the complexity and become confused by it and most never get passed that phase. Ultimately it's to absorb it enough where it becomes the way you move.
Yeah, but at the end of the day your suppose to refine and throw most of it all out to a few good moves.
Cohesive and insightful argument in what might be still the salient detail of the underpinning philosophical intent and the pragmatic reality of the work rate to develop skill and personality on the person practising it. Great talk
I am not really up on the history but I always got the impression that JKD was Lee's personal method that was changing all the time because he just couldn't stop refining it. My understanding is that at the time of his death he had abandoned, or marginalized, a great deal of the methods he had been using just a few years earlier. If he had lived, it would be very different than we know it today. Isn't the problem that some people trained at a particular time, and got stuck at that time because Lee was no longer there to guide them? After the basic skills, you were supposed to find your own way, based on your genetics, mainly. But I agree that to follow the principals he taught you would work constantly on the basics and not get caught up in the desire to emulate others with more skill or style.
I think the Issue with JKD is that Bruce lee died so young so the art never really got a chance to mature with its founder, I currently train JKD at one academy and also at another academy that teaches Urban Krav maga and BJJ, UKM is a mix of krav maga and MMA thing is there are a lot of similarities with JKD. I find that one academy's teachings help me cover the flaws in the other which is surely the point of JKD philosophy?
Hopefully you look into Tommy's IFO for vision.
I think the hardest party of JKD is exclusion- it’s hard to throw out techniques or principles when you see the value in them. Every attack has the “perfect” counter, and it’s somewhat human nature to expand our vocabulary- we want to add more to what we know.
That being said, I tend to agree- being really really good at a handful of moves is far better than dabbling in everything. Even Bruce said he fears not the man that has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.
Bruce Lee said a lot of shit. He also said to be versatile.
In normal language, we call that a one trick pony or Johnny one note.
I’m a huge fan of your analysis and instruction, sifu. I’m taking refuge in practicing your Wing Chun material. Thank you. Stay well.
Lol... pulled the pin on a grenade and threw the pin at ‘em
Be water having a continuity movement running water never grows stale!!!
Step one, don’t read the Tao of Jkd and think you know Jkd.
Step two, if you are training to pose like Bruce did in his movies, it’s probably not Jkd.
Step 3. Jkd can be applied to any art, but not the other way around. Take a kick you learned, a punch, look at how you were taught, and find ways to make it more efficient, simple, etc. that’s applying a “Jkd philosophy” or concept to other arts.
The system of it is like umbrella skills, basic human movements that are supposed to be in conjunction with the way our bodies are designed. Why do we start by hitting with a vertical fist?
Engages lats, biggest muscle in our upper body, promotes hip rotation, hip rotation builds momentum to make the next movements stronger.
Cool, once we understand the structure of shaping a hit at its simplest and most efficient form, then we can make it our own. A fist can turn sideways, become a finger jab, an elbow. At the end of the day it’s still a “hit”
Side note, who did you train under?
I believe ( providing how liberated the practitioner is) any martial art can fix into another without no lessons at all from JKD. I recalled when I was a teenager, I read Bruce said he wished he never gave "the way of the intercepting fist" a name, people will confuse Jeet Kune Do as an art. Today JKD practitioners R still rehearsing" the same fighting methods Bruce did back in his time. Bruce had what I call" martial perception" which is a liberated look at how one can apply a martial move or strategy from other fields of martial arts & fit their purpose to end a fight👊 efficiently & quickly.
I feel like nobody is taking the time to read Bruce Lee’s article in Black Belt magazine. He laid it all out, but people still go with their own interpretations.
I read it. It's 90% bullshit. He tries to talk like a philosopher, but he is not.
@@Quach7 Using percentages to evaluate philosophical work is for stupid people.
Some thoughts Sifu Jason: there’s this tension revolving around the idea of evolution. Bruce was constantly evolving. The key seems to be his pursuit of principles. At the point of his death was he done? I don’t think so. I understand we as humans have limited attributes as in arms and legs. I agree trying to pursue multiple systems is not efficient. Bruce didn’t try to master boxing, fencing or savate each being a lifelong endeavour. He tried to distill the principles. Most people don’t have the attributes nor the resources to pursue such a pursuit. So we have people cobbling together bits and pieces without doing justice to any particular system. I do think there are other principles to be explored. If Bruce were still around he would be obviously be quite old as I am and so he as I am be interested in other aspects of efficiency beyond just speed and power building on his ever developing sensitivity, timing and conservation of energy whilst making his opponent make exhausting mistakes. He would also explore multiple attackers and clinch scenarios. And being older he perhaps would revisit the internal martial arts and may be ending up saving them from the retirement home. Sorry grandma.
Hi buddy
I think the one reason Jeet Kune Do is in a such a bad name in some sense, is probably the marketing and embarassing exposure. Let's just say, Jeet Kune Do is the martial art created by Bruce Lee which he is considered the most popular martial artist of all time and almost a lot of JKD schools are basically doing or training exactly what he was doing. The evolution of JKD is basically stunted to a point where most JKD practitioners are basically moves or trains like him. As for the embarassing exposure, is when passionate practioners of JKD participate in MMA competitions and loses embarassingly as the general public seeing JKD practitioners as the Bruce Lee "fanboys" in the martial art community.
Sifu Jason, you're probably my go-to JKD channel to watch, or even possibly of my go-to martial arts youtube channel. It's funny that you're probably the only few JKD teachers that doesn't look Bruce Lee-esque but open-minded and make JKD what it is meant to be, The Way of Intercepting Fist.
Shout out from Malaysia. It is a shame there is no JKD school in Malaysia. Being trained by you would be the best thing in my martial arts learning curve. To finish this comment, be like water not the cup. 👊
bron liew 🙏. Wow. I’m humbled to read that and thank you for it. And sorry we can’t be in Malaysia and here too...hopefully the ideas and truth spreads and makes instructors/coaches that way!
Anyway, thanks again for the input.
@@JKDandWingChun Thank you, Sifu Jason for creating good videos of Wing Chun and JKD. Actually, I can learn JKD while I can able to learn Wing Chun as in Southeast Asia Wing Chun is way more popular than JKD as we all know the Ip Man movie boom. It will always be a possibility for me to train with you at the US in future. 😄
@@JKDandWingChun In fact, whenever I looked at a Jeet Kune Do youtube channels, I kind expect these elements that the Sifus are always showing to viewers which is the ones that give JKD a bad name.
1) Excessive amounts of crazy/aesthetic/cool looking trapping moves
2) One inch punch
3) Obviously the side kick
4) And specific/unique exercise that is based on what Bruce did in the photos
5) The secret/special technique in JKD to improve fighting
The thing is, you didn't show any or maybe less. That is why you deserve more subscribers. In fact, you're maybe the most subscribed JKD youtube channel (if someone can verify this). Yeah, I think any JKD channels that were being bashed by Dominick Izzo are ended up being unnoticed by the people.
@Zero Yup, you're right.
This isn't logical. You can't define a subject and argue against it. That's a fallacy.
The mess is due to division, politics, and economics. Most martial arts camps don't do this the way JKD continues to do.
Thanks for bring up the subject and providing a good example of why we aren't one community.
Jeet kune do is not a martial art, it is a philosophy of no limit as a limit, it is an approach to martial arts and life. Bruce Lee said that he didn't even want to name it as this puts a limitation on it right away, he described jeet kune do as a boat to get you across the water but then it must be left behind, not carried on your back. A bit like the finger pointing to the moon analogy he uses in enter the dragon. The finger is pointing to absolute truth but you should not be staring at the finger, the finger is just a guide. I am not the best person to put this into words. I think the only way someone can understand what Jeet kune do is, is to read the tao of Jeet Kune Do. But one thing is for sure, Bruce Lee did not want people to copy his movements and make it into a system or Martial art. He didn't belive in crystallising, that is what he thought was wrong with traditional methods, he points out that combat is a living changing reality that no rigid system can handle in a life and death situation, only the artist himself who must not limit himself with set techniques. Or at least that's how I understood it when I read it. 🤔
Their interview with the other students that say that Bruce told them that Dan didn't get it the top guy was Tami kimora
If you point the finger to the Moon ,how can you see it in daylight 🤔? Thus, the explanation of the kid looking at the finger 😀! Jeet Kune Do is a martial art just as Boxing & Judo. The word " Martial" means War & the word"Art" means Creative Expressions. When considering the words "Martial Arts" do you draw a picture staring at it believing this is the completion of your artistic ability? Are do you draw other pictures exploring your talent for creativity? Many of us believe Martial Arts is punching , kicking & wrestling, yet, there is more definitions to the words! Any soldier ( front private to General) is a martial artist because of the engagement of war inflicting bodily harm on adversaries useing military weapons. Strategies to out maneuver enemy forces are martial arts being applied by thinking. JKD is "rehearsal" education ( as other Hand 2 Hand combat forms) ,but, still effective & efficient base on the belief of the practitioner & NOT the style or theories of others.
@@thomashenderson7481 My thoughts are that martial arts, can also represent psychological combat or self defence, from others verbal attacks and mind games. It can also be applied as a self defense against negative emotions of our own psychie that has been absorbed from negative life experiences that hinder us from living a happy life! I believe that the goal of martial arts is peace on multiple levels both for society and the individual.. The art of war is actually the art of peace, the highest level of combat is to master life so that combat is never needed 🙂.
@@thomashenderson7481 have you never seen the moon in the middle of the day?
Yeah I believe the name says it all. Intercepting fist. That's it. Bruce was obsessed with speed and landing first. Not striking first but landing first. The reason he studied the arts he did is because I think he believed they had the cleanest fastest attacks for his personal build and style of moving. As soon as he created it he wanted to throw it out because I believe he realized maybe these movements don't work for everyone. Pacquiao for instance is left handed and fights that way and has a hell of a lot of speed and power in both hands so there is no reason to retrain him to fight righty and say this is the correct way. I think the way of the intercepting fist is just that and any system of fighting can be that its a philosophy not a style. A philosophy that the purest form of fighting is to be so sharp in mind, so fast and relaxed in body that you can see an attack coming and intercept it. Whether you are doing that with karate, boxing, wing chun, or a completely free form style of fighting that you created on the spot, doesn't matter. Whatever way of moving in combat that feels the cleanest to you as an individual in that moment is what works. It is the fighter not the style that wins the fight, every time. Just my two scents. Thanks for the video sifu. Amituofo!
What you're teaching is what will reflect your students .
I watched some of you're videos at first I didn't know what to expect but after watching I've liked the fact you don't just stick to traditional wing chung you modernize it in order to fight the times and styles yu could face keep going man
I've trained in both the concepts school of thought and traditional. One school I trained at had an alter of Bruce Lee set up. After 25 years of JKD/FMA I have come to the conclusion that my current BJJ instructor is my best JKD instructor. If you think about that and train BJJ at all you will understand.
You have hit it on the nail,,been confused for years.two different paths for myself, One,I agree partly with Matt Thornton he's a great modern Martial Arts Thinker, , Two, I agree on all of Tommy Carruthers JKD. his is simple, straight forward, Tommy Carruthers is JKD.same with Greenville Academy keeping JKD alive. .for future generations.hopefully.
Should be simple,few,and direct
A lot of JKD out there completely overlook ground fighting/how to fight on your back, how to wrestle. I know going to the ground is a last resort, but often it's unavoidable
What you state is true, a lot of people from various fighting arts do overlook where fights go to the ground. And as you stated going to the ground for most is usually a last resort. FYI for those who may not know who Sifu Larry Hartsell was, which was one of the original students of Si Gung Bruce Lee, it was Sifu Larry Hartsell who incorporated and promoted wrestling with JKD concepts from the very beginning. Here are 2 links for anyone who wishes to know more about the late Sifu Larry Hartsell (15 August 1942 - 20 August 2007). lhjkd.com/about-larry.html "or" www.jkd.gr/larryhartsell.html
Living in Chicago as a young teen in the early 80’sJKD taught me that the long way home kept me safe. And when that didn’t work, I had to fight. Sometimes on the ground, I had to bite. I didn’t learn JKD to look good, I learned to survive. It kept me alive...
Becca, 100%.
I think a major concern for me about JKD you forgot to mention is marketing allowance. Bruce’s daughter and wife appear to have all control over all/most rights. My prior instructor had severe apprehension over marketing anything with the symbol of the art I love. Instead of always cashing a check on legacy please consider its future! BTW the instructor had instructor certification from Guru Dan Inosanto. Very disheartening... If community can’t even advertise as a Bruce Lee philosophy/art then this may die soon. BTW I’ve been studying JKD for over 5 years along with many other martial arts (BJJ, Muay Thai, Boxing, Kali, HEMA, etc..)
And Andy Kimura
I thought Shannon and Linda only had rights over "Jun Fan" as the name Jeet Kune Do itself is too diluted for them to claim ownership, trademark or otherwise.
That would be "copyright"! Ha ha.
There is a higher level of JKD that no one ever talks about in public. When the spirit becomes the warrior. When this happens you do not do anything. You are just a spectator. And the spirit warrior cannot be defeated.
Is this satire?
@@machida58 @Pro Male Revolutionary nope. I actually did it. I used to box and in one fight I just let go. I do not know how else to describe it - but someone else took over. And I was amazed when my hand would punch the other guy in the nose, repeatedly, because I did not know the punch was coming or going to be more exact. And over the years I have read about many people doing this. You will find stories of women that were attacked, for example, that say I hit him and knocked him down but I didn`t even know it, in fact at first I thought someone else had hit him (her attacker). Or people saying. The next thing I knew I was just hitting him without even thinking about it - it was like someone else was doing it - like I was an observer. Maybe it is the subconscious and when we are in danger if we do not act then our subconscious does.
@Wolfgath I think that it is much, much deeper than that. I have been in a zone playing football and was not only unstoppable but `unchallengable`. But this is much more. Look for the You Are Two video. I have had several experiences that suggested that this isreal and then there are the split brain experiments where `one` does something and the `other` makes up a reason why or when one hand lights a cigarette the other outs it out or one hand buttons the shirt and the other unbuttons it. Quickly, one day I was driving a truck with a very expensive item in the back - like Miss Daisy Driving - and on the way home after work in my car I kept driving that way and had to `stop myself` a few times. Who was doing that? On another day I saw a car accident and went to run to help - but my feet did not move. I actually looked down at them. Another time very late at night in the middle of winter and nowhere I was walking home at 2 am down a dark street and a car full of men stopped next to me with their lights off - I put my hand in my jacket as if I had a gun and looked at them and they drove off. The problem is - my hand went into my jacket on its own and I looked at them to say `Did you see that???` The `other you` takes over and acts to save itself when you don`t do it. You are two. And so are we.
i think bruce mention something like this in enter the dragon as something he picked up in his learning.
To me, the core of JKD:
" To reach me you must move to me "
That's Philosophy yes, but ..........we gotta remember how he came to this realization. Interception is the heart and soul and I feel it's not even about ' counter attack ' ........ It's Attack BEFORE you're attack. A fight FIRST STARTS verbally. Unless a DICK just punch you in the face out the blue, contact leads to verbal altercation.
An altercation is a FIGHT, be it verbal or physical
Bruce Lee had it right ...... for the wrong reason.
During that fight, he was ( reported ) CHASING after his opponent. Bruce was going after him.
That's not JKD
" To reach me, you must move TO ME "
If Bruce would have been in the fight with a JKD mindset .......the fight probably would not have happened. Really. The guy ( reported ) didn't want to fight Bruce but Bruce kept up the pressure. He got tired and wondered how he could end a fight quicker
Easy
Don't fight ...... LOL !!!!!
JKD , to me, is self defense. Bar none and even Shannon Lee says this. Bruce had the correct mentality but for the wrong reason and THAT is why JKD is misconstrued at times. Even in this video, and I've said it before. While we gotta train for the moment and spar to understand the principles of fighting. Footwork being the most important. JKD is not about even fighting. Self defense is not about fighting. Bruce was a Master tactician and a great fighter, but when he says:
" The art of fighting, without fighting "
He was saying to use your mind. Use Logic to get out of a situation before it even goes there and even if if does, use the most SIMPLE method to end it........like luring your opponent on a boat out in the ocean ...... LOL !!!!!
JKD get confused because we are still confused as to it's basic principle:
Interception
In more layman terms. Stop the fight before it begins and IF it goes down, end it quickly and move on.
That's JKD
@Ryder E
And why do you say this ?
A MAN IN A FRONTAL POSITION AND IN MID RANGE SHOUTING AT YOU AND YOU GIVE HIM A HINT YOU WANT TO KICK HIM IN THE NUTS, HE PROBABLY BACKS OFF FROM FIGHTING YOU, THAT CAN BE SAID THE ART OF FIGHTING WITHOUT FIGHTING, AND THAT IS STILL A FIGHTING STRATEGY
Actually, the constant bickering between the different branches of JKD is ruining JKD. In the final passage of the Tao, Bruce said that, if people argue over what JKD is and what it isn't, he would rather the name disappeared.
Jason, "hate" comment ahead... at 0:44, can you tell me which Jeet Kune Do Concepts AUTHORITY declared JKD to be "everything"?
Dwight Woods fair question. My answer is that no Concepts authority has ever offered a solid definition of what the big concept is. There’s so much equivocation that it lends towards my critique that JKD is everything so, therefore, nothing.
In saying that, I’m unaware of any definition that meets the standard of non-contradictory identification and the law of identity. The Concepts group has, despite their philosophical failures, been correct that Lee’s method is a theoretical system at its heart. This is to their credit. But all practice is the practice of a theory, right? So the goal should be logical consistency within the theory and external coherence with the facts of reality. Relativism/pluralism, being self-defeating philosophies, are incapable of delivering such consistency. Since the mainframe of JKD Concepts is fundamentally relativistic, it suffers the same fate - that being, logical incoherence.
Lastly, yours is certainly not a “hate” comment, but exactly the sort of debate we need to grow. I love to hear from those that disagree with my definitions and am eager to grow from such discussions. It’s been my experience, unfortunately, that your questions are the exception rather than the norm. Thanks for that. I rather enjoy these “chats.”
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@@JKDandWingChun , I'll submit that someone like Chris Kent, one of Dan Inosanto's most senior active students long ago showed in an Inside Kung Fu (I believe) article showed how the "concept" of Five Ways of Attack could be applied to the Single Stick from Filipino Kali, easily illustrating that the idea of attack cannot be limited to empty hands only... Would that qualify as adherence to a central JKD idea? This article dates back to the 1980s or 1990s... I believe we could find similar submissions by people like Burton Richardson as well... But I'll be the first to admit that enough clarification has not yet been done by enough qualified people to clearly illustrate why (the true) JKD Concepts is not at all any kind of a violation.... all of this sounds to me like a return visit by you to The JKD Dialogues, doesn't it?
Dwight Woods to discuss this topic?? I’d get death threats. 🤣. No, seriously...it’s always fun to talk to ya. Thanks for the input.
@@JKDandWingChun Friday 6/26/20 sound good to you then?
Dwight Woods that can work. Look forward to it.
But don’t you know, all fights go to the ground? Ha ha. Here’s somethings the BJJ guys never want to hear. What do you do after the opponent (me) pokes your eye out? What do you do when the opponent (me) clamps on like a pit bull? Oh, the Gracies at the beginning would teach pinching an opponents legs arms etc to get them to release get agitated etc. Try that nowadays and nobody will spar with you. Great video. And, yes I’m left handed. Too!
If you try to bite or poke a BJJ fighter in a dominant position he will bite you and poke you back. If you make him angry he can break your limps or suffocate you (if not worse). NEVER make someone angry when your are in a inferior position, fight to get a superior position first.
From my perspective, JKD is essentially MMA. The main difference is that Bruce didn't intend it to be a sport. You what is useful for you, and throw away what's not needed. Simply, simplify. You can train in whatever styles you want, and come up with your own way from that experience(just like MMA fighters do in the sport). I'd say add a ground art like BJJ, Tai Chi, Judo or wrestling to complement your striking.
I care nothing for the simplicity on this side of complexity but I would give my life for the complexity on the other side.
Jeet Kun Do was never meant to be taught because you can't teach it...Bruce Lee knew this...he couldn't really teach it also and he knew this that's why in his own words " Jeet Kun Do is like boat to get you across the river and when you cross the river you leave the boat at the river" Jeet Kun Do was never a physical thing it's all mental....its a way of thinking nothing else...and if someone is teaching JKD there is a problem....because the whole philosophy is self discovery and that can never be taught...it could on be explored...and practiced..there is no master of JKD not even Bruce...Lee was only the father of JKD...
Years ago, I studied "Bruce's" art at the Inosanto Academy in Los Angeles, California. I was there for 6 years.
That was 18 years ago, and it has only been within the last 5 years that I have realized how much of a watered-down, hodge-podge they have turned "Bruce's" art into. This realization has come about due to watching your videos, Tommy Carruthers' videos, RUclips videos of Bruce actually training and displaying his art, and, surprisingly, old "Green Hornet" episodes where Bruce's technique was more direct and a little less of the fancy "Hollywood" style that he later developed for the Big screen. In the "Green Hornet" fighting sequences, Bruce does less flying kicks and more groin kicks, knee kicks, shin stomps, instep stomps, throat strikes, (lots of neck and throat strikes) etc., etc., etc.
The Jeet Kune Do/Jeet June Do Concepts that is being taught by most supposed Jeet Kune Do instructors nowadays totally lacks the whole principle of interception - attacking as your opponent attacks - not being where he expects you to be - and thereby catching him off-guard. They have mixed too much western boxing into it. Bruce added some elements of western boxing into his art, but only those aspects that supported the concept of interception (hit first and not get hit). They have also added all of this Muay Thai style shin kicks into "Jeet Kune Do/Jeet June Do Concepts" (which is a good ring sport, but not the most efficient way to defend yourself in the street against an attacker that outweighs you by 50 or 60 pounds) as well as Kali and even some penchak silat, which goes by the exact opposite principle of interception and hitting first, etc.) These current Jeet Kune Do/Jeet June Do Concepts instructors (most of whom are of the Inosanto lineage) seem to believe that the more arts/styles they can add to the mix, the better the art will be. So now, Jeet Kune Do/Jeet June Do Concepts has evolved into a smorgasbord of different martial arts from around the world, all with different, conflicting principles that weigh and slow the art down, just like driving your car with the emergency brake on. This is why Jeet Kune Do has become so ineffective and people now doubt it and say "it's not any good" and "definitely inferior to MMA," etc., etc., etc.
I am sure Bruce would be rolling over in his grave if he knew how those he trusted have exploited and commercialized his art for their own financial gain. I think he suspected this might happen, which is why he began to close down his schools as his film career exploded.
Bruce's JKD was 90% wing chun..JKD died when Bruce died imo.
Dan went Hollywood while other 1st generation students like Ed Hart and Jesse Glover went grass-roots.
Ed was infamous for his hot chocolate. Truth.
I do not believe you are telling the truth. If you were at the inosanto academy and studied in the “phase” classes, you were taught pure unadulterated Jun Fan gung fu. In fact, Sifu Nakamura was the teacher there 18 years back and he was a stickler for absolute adherence to Bruce’s material in those classes, with handouts, terminology, dummy forms, all even taught as it was in the 60’s. You are full of it to say the class was a smorgasbord of material. That’s what you “original” JKD frauds don’t get. Inosanto has never diluted the original material. He only teaches the pure original material in the phase classes.If you went to the academy you would know that. He does teach other arts, and that makes him a better martial artist. And he used to, on rare, and I mean rare, occasion, use a JKD term when teaching another art, for example teaching a boxing combination and calling it A.B.C. Can you imagine that? How unreasonable. He just diluted JKD. Or preforming a Kali technique like enganyo and pointing out that it is a PIA. That doesn’t mean he added it to the original material. You can express another art in JKD terminology and not be altering Jun Fan gung fu. Let me put it this way. Bruce advocates the totality of combat. He has said using elbows is a legitimate tool in a fight. How do you train your elbows? Why not try a little Muay Thai and see how they train elbows? Maybe Krav Maga, or even Shotokan? Now don’t get confused and think you learned a hundred techniques and diluted your art. They are still YOUR elbows. You just learned different ways to train them-Thai pads, sparring, conditioning. That didn’t decrease them, it improved your ability to use them and made you more familiar with them as tools. You didn’t add 20 elbows to JKD. You just trained your own personal elbows, your friends since you were born. Get it? Finally, the difference between “original” JKD and JKD seems to come down to adherence to ONLY the original material. Great. Please then admit openly that you believe in that limitation instead of no limitations. Admit your personal research must really be Bruce’s research. Admit your JKD should look like his JKD. Show your loyalty to Bruce Lee by denying him.
@@unionmichael Yes, I was at the Inosanto Academy 18 years ago and YES, sifu Yori Nakamura was my instructor in Jun Fan gung fu as well as Shoot Wrestling, which I also studied there for 4 of the 6 years that I was there. Some other people who were there at that time who I trained with that you may be familiar with were Eric Paulson, Diana Lee Inosanto (Dan's daughter and a very sweet person), her husband Ron Balicki, Chad Stahelski (director of the "John Wick" films), etc., etc., etc. These people were more senior than I, but I trained with them, sparred with them, grappled with them, etc. I still have many of my old Inosanto Academy membership cards, which we had to get stamped every month when we paid our class fees. So, sorry to disappoint you Mr. Michael, but yeah, I was there, for 6 years. And I do agree with you, somewhat, in that I believe that the Jun Fan taught by sifu Nakamura 18 years ago is much closer to Bruce's idea of JKD than what is being taught now. As you will notice by what I said above, most of my criticism is on how Jeet Kune Do/Jeet June Do Concepts is CURRENTLY being taught. I believe the instruction was much better 18 years or so ago. Yori Nakamura was (and I assume still is) a HUGE Bruce Lee fan and collector, and I am sure he taught his Jun Fan classes close to how he believed Bruce would have wanted them taught. Unfortunately, his English was not so fluent back then, so a lot of the details and explanation were left out or glossed over. As far as it all being "taught as it was in the 60’s," I was not there back in the 60's, nor was sifu Nakamura, so neither of us can speak on that. But, the Jun Fan that sifu Nakamura taught, was taught to him by Dan Inosanto, NOT the source, Bruce Lee, so I don't know if it was the "pure unadulterated Jun Fan gung fu." Mr. Inosanto likes to add his own mix to the brew!
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Now I know you’re full of it. Ron and Diana were teaching at their own place 18 years ago and only trained privately with their dad at that point. Chad also wasn’t there often at all since the 90s. Eric also had his own school. Also, you fraud, if you were in the phase classes you were told many times what you were learning and when it was taught by Dan in Bruce’s Chinatown school,as Dan kept copious notes. So fill me in on how you were given this new material presented as new JKD curriculum???? What class were they telling you that Silat was now part of the Jun Fan curriculum?????? Better yet, who are these current instructors under inosanto who are showing all of this new material as JKD????? The folks you named were there 38 years ago- you cant possibly have been there for 6 years and remained this completely dense. But let’s make it easy- who was working the desk? In 2002, what street was the school on? What was the business next door? Were you ever told shoot wrestling was JKD????? You took it for 4 years, right? Matter of fact, in 6 years, what phase class were you up to?
I feel you made solid points. I don't agree on your opinion of concept instructors but I may have had had good instructor. he trained under Dan. I felt like his way of JKD was good it was something that worked for him cuz as he told me w aren't Bruce. I remember my first day he made start off orthodox stance (putting my strong head in the back) we did the basics but in the way he felt right. JKD and wing Chun one day than other arts like Muay Thai the next. I felt it was beneficial for success depending on what you looking for. My Sifu developed my strength (realized I had boxing potential) and developed my weaknesses like my kicks . The thing that stands we took what was useful and discarded what wasn't effective for us. JKD created MMA and has inspired countless MMA and fighters across the world cuz they got one thing right. They created there own style. I feel we learn the basics create something of our own thats effective.
Nothing wrong with your honest opinion it shows the obvious move away from what JKD was "is" non traditional for an individual & seeking progression through using no set routine , a continuous learning & adaptation to ones own physical capabilities
I think part of the problem is that Bruce Lee created a philosophy about the practice of martial arts then applied that to the martial arts techniques he had ready access too. People then packaged this together into a martial arts "system" that was basically "be like Bruce Lee and do what he did".
To my knowledge none of his most successful students fought like Bruce at all since they had different strengths and weaknesses.
Well if they call you names Jason, prove your theory by challenging them to a friendly contest. U see flaws in JKD just Ng Mui did 300 years ago in traditional kung fu which inspired her to find an art that eventually became known as Wing Chun. Bruce Lee got into heated🔥 arguments about the "martial arts mess that plagues "us because of set styles & traditions. There's a mixed martial artist in China who was vilify for 17 consecutive victories . When one presents an obstacle the idea is not to trash the effectiveness of something different , but to learn how to grow from those obstacles so you can be better.
Great video! I agree 100%!!!
You remind me of another JKD instructor who was my boxing trainer back in the late 2000s. Imagine my surprise since I was trained in jkd back in the early 90s during the height of the Paul Vunak kali fma infusion. It was fun and I thought I was learning a lot until this dude told me that I needed to learn 4 or 5 moves and learn them well.
Great logic, Bro.
I don't study your art, I've studied American Kenpo Karate and different Arts, MMA, ect, I'm now presently studying FMA .
I've found in my own experience, learn foundational skills, learn what actually works in reality based self defence, and practice those techniques over and over.
As Bruce Lee said " I'd rather fight someone who knows a thousand techniques, than some one who has practiced a technique 1000 times.
I hope I quoted that accurately, but you can catch my drift.
Simple accuracy in a few well thought thru techniques is better than a whole lot of techniques which you have to think thru at the moment of combat of which to choose.
What? 😲 A JKD instructor says it takes 10 to 20 years??!! These instructors wants cashed cow students to pay them for lessons 4 an excessively amount of time! In takes a about 3 years to master any martial art including Jeet Kune Do! Absorb what is useful deplete what is not make what is essencely your own! Words of Bruce Lee himself. If Bruce could rename Jeet Kune Do an appropriate replacement would be" Man Can Do"! Because it's humanly possible to add moves from other arts to fix the ideologies of the liberate man.
Thomas Henderson same with alot of WC schools...
I think JKD was on really understood by Bruce himself..and Ip Man didn't like the fact Bruce took WC and added a few other ideas to it and went on to "create" a new style..
@@patrickhartnett7253 Your right Patrick , Bruce , of course, understands the theories of the hybrid expressions he created. The Follies of some, one studies an art & is the best practitioner of the art, thinks there's no other reasons learn other styles. Yip Man thought Wing Chun is all Bruce need to know & additional knowledge from other martial arts is slap in the face of the original art. Only in recent decades the Wing Chun community has accepted & respected the education of other martial arts & this comes from Bruce Lee NOT Yip Man. PRIDE: the quintessential Follies of man, will always be the downfall of man because lack of change & perceptions. Bruce Lee had no limitations in those regards.
Sounds like you drank the JKD Kool Aid
I think a lot of people got some of the ideas right being simple, direct and expressing yourself authentically but they don’t get that JKD and it’s flow state are formless principles that continue to evolve not stagnant.
Some of the lineage practitioners are starting to resemble old karate master by gatekeeping and never getting into the area to prove the validity and refine to be competitive.
After a while it makes them predictable and extremely linear while other combat art evolve we remain stagnated by tradition and lineage feuds.
I also think a lot of people don’t accurately grasp the philosophy of JKD, it is partly inspired by Buddhism and that void doesn’t mean expulsion of all existence but living in the continuous moment not sleep but not being anxious.
Let go of the ego, calm your mind, analyze, intercept, explode. Express.
It is also a very terrible shame for almost all of the lineage instructors that they do not teach the philosophy to go with the traditional JKD and the concept. JKD.
This is almost all instructors.
But instead they choose to cling to the recent lineage with such ferocity. Also a lot of these instructors have tons of ego for being in an egoless sport. Just saying maybe we need to examine that more.
It is even more shameful that all of these lineage instructors cannot get along and cannot form a Federation dedicated to the continuation of jkd both traditional and conceptual.
I think one without the other is only half efficient. Limited in a limitless concept.
Jeet Kune Do stands for all possibilities of the martial arts, yet, has no boundaries as in the styles you mentioned has limitations to whatever moves their system been studying for centuries! That why JKD stands along publicly speaking!
I thought of JKD as a guideline through your martial arts journey. As I moved through Tang SoonDo, Hapkido, Aiki Jujutsu, BJJ I always kept in mind to try to keep the simplest techniques, the techniques that worked best for my body, the techniques that worked best for the way I liked to fight. I certainly never tried to fight like Bruce, I think that’s a mistake. I just recently started taking an actual JKD class so I’m interested it how that’s going to play out.
Yeah, IFO?
You are totally correct. Really, any well trained martial arts should read Bruce Lee’s books on the subject, particularly the Tao of Jeet Kune do and put it into practice in order to understand where Bruce Lee was coming from. I think that one has to know some Wing Chun, boxing, Bruce’s footwork (very important), some things from their base martial art (whatever that might be), grappling, and anything effective for you that you find along the way. Bruce Lee slayed his conception of martial arts out in Tao of Jeet Kune Do. I think that trying to add a lot to it or having a fixed (Bruce Lee way) of doing things outside of the core concepts gets people into trouble.
My JKD (concepts..) instructor from years ago would say that JKD is like tailoring your own suit, and then trying to trick your opponent into trying it on. 😄
. 1. Jeet Kune Do is personal 2. Guro Burton Richardson, Blaise Loong, not only train Jun Fan Curriculum but also go into other arts African , Brazilian etc but not until after having a very good grasp of the basics.
I agree some people are over thinking and others are original only.. the reason Guro Dan has us training so long is high stated I. Condition and knowledge.
3 things that a ruining JKD.
1. Not allowing it to evolve
2. No full contact sparring
3. No leadership within the community
Don't some JKD schools have full comtact sparring?
Werid: I always imagined a good JKD school would allow full contact. Seems like not doing it would’ve getting away from something Bruce was looking for.
@@talesfromthetoiletseat8295 Yes i concur also 🤔
@@talesfromthetoiletseat8295 vast majority of schools practice drills and do a lot of trapping. A few will do sparing drills. But most with few a exceptions, say that sparring will bad habits as a fight must be finished quickly and when you spar you learn to pace yourself to do rounds.
@@doubleb222able , interesting. While I see what they're getting at, they're ignoring what Bruce lee said himself. You can't learn how to fight without sparring experience. It's like trying to learn how to swim on dry land. Agreed that sparring is a staple.
This really helped me to rethink what I’m doin as I’m trying to teach myself JKD so thanks!
The thing I liked about practicing JKD rather than my original martial arts style Kung Fu San Soo was that it emphasized on reality rather than simulation all the other martial arts that I took afterwards gave me a greater insight on how to use their style because I had such a good insight programmed into me from practicing JKD
You should search "Ehsan Shafiq [RIP]".
He was a Kung Fu fighter.
great video very well explained
Great analogy!
This is where Bruce made his mistake of not actually getting the core benefits of a traditional system. All lineage worthy systems, with experienced instructors and dojos teach practical fighting along with traditional science of bunkai!,..after the student has reached a certain level of training physically and mentally,.. showing that they are completely humbled, loyal and worthy of receiving that higher level of info. And Many traditional systems/dojos adapted techniques from various sources to aid in the "what works for you ideology" with mixed martial arts techniques, long before Bruce Lee was even born!. However, although Bruce Lee was exceptionally talented, I believe he would have had a more solid foundation for the JKD system, had he humbled himself just a little bit longer with his original teachers as they would have shared with him more secret information and he would have had more respect and a better understanding of traditional purposes that would have ultimately lead to a better foundation for JKD!
Very intelligent arguments. Something rare on the web (especially in MA).
Thanks for the input. We do our best to provide logical and respectful information that helps make better self-defenders out there. 🙏
Jeet June Do is only being ruined in certain places by certain people who are unable to free their mind. They don't hear they "listen," and not intently. Then there are the Jedis. These are the folks that excel towards greatness like a fish learns to swim.
Have you read Jidda Kristhnamurti? Bruce was heavily influenced by Jiddu, and what J talks about applies to JKD - ultimately JKD is not a style and that is something hard to grasp for many JKD-ppl. One has to ask, what is the ultimate goal of martial arts (that is your mind, body, nervous system, muscles etc)
My question for you is, in the landscape of martial arts today, is a “fencing-boxing hybrid born out of Wing Chun” enough to stay a competitive? Put another way, what incentive do people have to train that version of JKD when they could get functional kickboxing, clinch work, and grappling at an MMA gym? I mean those of us who are initiated might point to JKD tactics like broken rhythm and centerline theory and all the other brilliant strategies that make JKD special. But that’s usually not enough to sell people.
You make great points, and I don’t think you’re necessarily wrong. Too many concepts schools have too many drills and too little focus on the fundamentals. But that’s not true across the board and, on the flip side, the Concepts crowd is at least keeping pace with the popularization of arts like Muay Thai, wrestling, and jiu jitsu. If you don’t have a decent handle on those areas, you’re simply not prepared for a fight nowadays - interceptions be damned. So I think the “truth” of JKD lies somewhere in the middle of concepts and original: the fundamentals of original with the adaptability and flexibility of concepts. Simplicity should not mean stagnation.
wrestling and Muay Thai were very much around in Bruce's time too.
Well said.
THIS IS MY OPINION.
Bruce knew this would happen. So he closed down all his schools and stopped teaching. But his friends didn't listen but just wanted to cash in on the money and make a living out of Bruce Lee's Art and name.
Same as Yip Mans wing chun, the first students are all well off and making a living teaching, even though they weren't qualified or learnt the whole system. That's why Wing Chun & Jkd is in a Classical Mess NOW.
So, I m not a 'JKD" practitioner, believe me, I got no skin in the game, but at the end of the day, what exactly are you advocating? Are you advocating for people to train in Original JKD, JKD Concepts, or should they just train in MMA? I'm not trying to troll or stir any thing up, I just want to understand where you are coming from, and what advice would you give to a child or a total beginner who is thinking about starting Martail Arts training, what Martail Art would you most likely encourage them to try out first?
Great question. We think that training in original JKD is a fantastic way to learn self-defense for literally everyone. But the thing is, the final standard isn’t WHAT Lee did so much as it is WHY he did it. Understanding the supremacy of the straight hitting, counterattack methodology and its integration into the Jeet principle is the key. In other words, we advocate a principled-pragmatism that’s rooted in the works Lee studied (Driscoll, Dempsey, fencing, Ip Man, Ali). This approach delivers us, we believe, from the excesses of the two approaches (concepts and original).
Hope this answered your question. Like I said, it’s a great one. Thanks for it and for watching too!
Its funny that people say you have to do it just like Bruce. When Bruce was always adapting. In his book he said to give something a name like Jeet Kune do. Limits it. After all Jeet Kune do mean intercepting fist of foot. That is only one concept derived from Wing Chun. He also said longest weapon to nearest target. Fencing foot work makes it so you can attack and retreat very quickly. Take what is useful and discard what is useless. But even that concept has to be used under real pressure of attack. If we fallow the philosophy of Bruce. You martial arts should have some elements of what he did. But that you are going to study other arts and add to what works for you. Not everyone is a 130 pound short china man. I happed to be about the same higheth of Bruce. But I am a 270 pound white guy. So i take his concepts and study other stuff. But use what works for me. And test it under pressure.
Sifu just keep telling what it is
Me myself im off the same principle of keeping stuff simple but works..
Its easier to pas it on the clients for me that did great.
And your right adding to much complexity
Makes it hard to get a good grip of it
Keeping it simple to a view moves but those view moves can work in diferent ways very well..
Intercepting depending on the individual..
And fencing it self is simple yet it gets the swords where you want it to be
And for JKD i suppose as long i can get my kick or punch where it needed to be
And not get caught myself im good
look at the movie no retreat no surrender ... notice that acting Bruce Lee taught him without being a copycat 💖🕊️☺️
I knew next to nothing about JKD until I read your book Fundaments of JKD. Just recently I was thinking about what JKD was, unaware of this issue. On my lonesome, I sided toward the Concepts camp. I liken it to a good boxing coach. He teaches the correct way to do things, and his students tell him he created his own martial art. But the coach replies, This style is nothing but correct boxing technique, not a new martial art. JKD is mainly based in principles (as you stated) rather than technique. So you can have JKD styled boxing. Or JKD styled kick boxing. Maybe even JKD styled wrestling. Whereas karate's punch is very different than a boxer's punch. JKD blends the two, and subsequently is spawned in realm between principles and style (martial art). My $.02.
Depends on how you use any martial art. Jkd is complex simple structure based on kenetic and rythmic alterations via interception every system and style with measures divided in partiality, fluidity, adaptability,and nothingness. When it comes to messes you up, mess up jkd and you get messed up. Conceptual and absolutely there's absolutely absolution. There's counters for every style and since jkd is of no style but all the encyclopedia and thesaurus and philosophy of the art is what makes it an honor and complete full cycle the various ways to self express, to prepare and to cease that which is telegraphed or not
What are your thoughts (and you may have had this question before) on Paul Vunak? That’s my first memory (90s) of seeing JKD outside of Bruce Lee.
Great insight. Keep it simple. It's not so simple - is it.
I agree with you 100 %. For me there is no concepts nor original , there is only jkd. I am a concepts guy who has studied Filipino and muy tai and so on. For me those are separate arts and I only take what is useful for me. Again. Good video.
Good video... as someone myself have studied Martial Arts for over 20yrs... including started in Concepts and trained under Original... I've done much research and only sought out the best of the best and got my insights and made my own determinations and find myself having come back full circle... Some things I agree and disagree with each instructor... IMO those that are in it long enough understand it all, the politics the history etc... opinions all over the place.... I look at the attributes and the skill sets and aliveness of the person at hand, I can determine alot just from a few seconds of a persons training... and of those people I sought out I dont know 1 person that has or is milking JKD out for 10-15yrs for an instructor status? neither do I believe these people that do 20-30hrs of training suddenly become able to teach? just bogus. Alot of people are just terrible at it.
JKD is killing itself with controversies over what it is, what it isnt, bruce lee said this, another of his students said that, what did the book say and what it actually means, etc etc. It also isnt doing itself any favors about disputes about lineage and the need to make money off the name at the expense of others.
In a nutshell, JKD was a philosophical device Bruce made to discover himself and express whatever discoveries he made into physical reality. A by product of this device was JKD which happens to be Bruce Lee's personal fighting system. In this system we see elements of what bruce thought was the best mix of techniques from different styles. From his base of wing chun (I essentially deem useless) in his early years to savate and boxing, among others, in his latter years we get to see what bruce thought and did.
For the JKD practitioner ( of which I'm not or at least in the sense that I dont want to learn to be bruce lee, I want to be an excellent (me) ), they get to explore his information through books, interviews and the advice of his students. I assume some people want to move and fight like him so they probably study his jun fan wing chun and move on to whatever techniques are instructed such as savate s kicks, boxing's punches, etc.
I would consider this approach the prototype of mixed martial arts; the study, technique selection and application of actions of defense, neutralization and offense in order to gain victory over an opponent. I am personally grateful to JKD because it accelerated my technique repertoire and style analysis ability. In my final analysis I grew to like savate, boxing, bjj, judo, muay thai and wrestling which all happen to be competitive martial arts. Classical systems (classical in the sense that they adhere to asian philosophy, religion and social practises NOT in the sense of age) like wing chun, Hung gar, karate,etc are great for exercise, cultural immersion and some very limited skills for self defense but in the whole are not adequate for either competition or legal civilian self defense.
If I were to become a JKD student or teacher, I would definitely eliminate wing chun altogether or teach it as a reference course for historical reasons and not practical.
Well explained about the JKD and Wing Chun principles. Confusion and complexity, copying is to avoid, find your own identity is what I understand.
I think one big problem is people look at it as a method based in techniques and really it's a method of tactics or strategy
You nailed it!
You make some very good points on each end of the spectrum with both The Concepts methodology and the Original JKD methodology-if a technique comes from a place of directness, simplicity , and efficiency it can be included in your personal style.
I like things from both methodologies-
I guess that would make me a fan of ‘Original Jeet Kune Do Concepts’ :)
Tommy Carruthers has the right idea when it comes to JKD.
He did . It's all striking. The firearm acts as a natural FOOK SAO controlling hand.. if we stay over the hands we need not block .. jkd blocks are strikes
I wish my chief instructor explained this issue to me in a way I can understand. I was trying to get my certification as an instructor on JKD concepts and FMA. I got myself in that confusion and stuck onto complexity. I didnt know what to do or how to become a better instructor. It was frustrating because I was aware how simple it was supposed to be. Yet there I was trying to figure out how to teach simple but effective tactics that are new. I never got certified and the school shut down. I feel like a complete failure now.
That’s really unfortunate. So sorry to hear that. Hopefully this video and our other material have helped you see JKD for the brilliantly simple self-defense system it is.
Thanks so much for watching! 🙏
In my opinion Jeet Kune Do died when Bruce Lee died because he was the inventor of the concept and the Art of fighting and it all came from his mind his creation so in reality nobody knew back then with Bruce Lee was thinking or nor could they read his mind so that's why the original Jeet Kune Do from Bruce Lee himself can't be any more in this time
Great argument!
They do that in other arts as well. Just look at Aikido. Everyone wants to be Ueshiba and has caused the art to not be worth shit the way the majority of the styles teach it. They ignore that Ueshiba said that striking is key to Aikido, but they don't strike. It's also a grappling form but they ignore that as well.
Dan Inosanto said Bruce could shell shock you will the straight lead saying most people can't. I think this is why he went to his roots. Respect to Inosanto however because he understood Bruce would use anything that work even Tennis he said 😆
As always, good lesson Sifu. Seems this is essentially your first book in ten minutes. As always, principles are of prime importance and inform all that follows. Thanks for the excellent reminder!
My first book in ten minutes!! 🤣. Love that.
@@JKDandWingChun Who was/ is your wingchun/ JKD instructor sir?
Come to think of it...this whole concept really does make sense if and only if you know how to grasp, understand, and of course be able to absorb the principles and the mechanics behind it...look at or consider Jon Jones and the way he keeps winning matches in the Octagon no matter who his opponents were...heck, for all we know he could be using Jeet Kune Do all along and nobody figured it out that he did...!!!
I would like to dd that losing the side, oblique camera angle would be a good idea as it has become somewhat of a tired and annoying cliche. I prefer eye contact, thank you.
Tommy carruthers best example of jkd in UK and probably usa
Jeet Kune Do can never truly be" burn out "because it effectiveness lies with the practitioner. The liberated man is one who really & truly understand the philosophical creativity of his imagination & don't completely follow an instructor's paths as a martial artist.
I've seen too many people following their masters and sifu's like lost children over the years. Point is to think for yourself and be your own Master.
This is an excellent video and explanation on such an important topic... Well said...Thank you
I am confident that if Bruce Lee was alive today he would claim to teach MMA, open a gym and name it "Jun Fan's MMA" or "Jeet Kune Do MMA" , just like in the beggining, when he claimed to teach "Jun Fan Gung Fu" rather than simply "Kung- Fu". Basically take the most useful parts of MMA and attach them to his JKD "skeleton".
If you think about it, one could say that JKD's philosophy of adding new things that suit you is basically the prototype of MMA.
🙋🙋🙋Western Style MMA originated in the 1890s when Edward William Barton-Wright created Bartitsu some 70s years before Bruce Lee formed Jeet Kune Do
It isn't about Wing Chun---It isn't about BL, it's about YOU, and
Me...
jkd should be taught in a class room with Bruce’s words. jkd was never a system, it’s a way of life. simple way to put it is as you do what helps you.
Bruce didn’t teach Steve McQueen the same as James Coburn. People need to do what works for them, and them alone.