Is Jeet Kune Do Bullsh
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2020
- I recently viewed a couple of videos with Matt Thornton and Tommy Carruthers discussing the validity of JKD - and the divisions within the "Concepts" and "Original" JKD groups. Here's my 2 cents after training in JKD for 34 years under both groups.
Thornton's main focus is on which art or method has the superior delivery system, but he conveniently leaves out the fact that he did not study Bruce Lee's JKD. Thornton studied under Dan Inosanto when Dan was pitching JKD Concepts, so Thornton has limited knowledge of some of the core principles of Jun Fan JKD. Bruce introduced full contact sparring gear to the martial arts world at the 1967 Long Beach Internationals, and from 1967-1970, that gear was frequently used at Lee's L.A. Chinatown school. In essence, Bruce was one of the first martial artists to emphasize pressure testing as a way to evaluate whether a fighting method was effective. There is ample evidence that JKD's delivery system is as effective as any other martial art. Power side forward, rear heel raised, fencing footwork, boxing punches and angular attacks, stop hitting, lead leg obstruction, single trap and hit, and the Hammer Principle are key components of what Lee called, "scientific street fighting." It's important to note that NOBODY talked shit about JKD when the following martial artists were alive... Bruce Lee, James Yimm Lee, Bob Baker, Howard Williams, Larry Hartsell, Dan Lee, Joe Lewis, and Bob Bremer.
@@gregcappitte3970 Bruce trained 4 of the biggest names in the point fighting world at his home in Culver City. It appears that Bruce didn't spar with MIke Stone or Joe Lewis, but he did spar with Chuck Norris and Louis Delgado. For almost 35 years, Norris denied sparring with Lee, but Delgado was quick to admit that he sparred with the Little Dragon. In 2005, Chuck finally admitted that he sparred with Bruce, stating "it was fun." I agree with your position that Dan Inosanto mucked up the JKD waters with his insertion of the Filipino Arts into the JKD matrix. Fortunately, Bruce selected certain students not named Dan Inosanto, to learn some of the core principles of JKD. Examples include teaching Ted Wong the full pendulum and Bob Bremer the Hammer Principle. Wong and Bremer were gracious enough to divulge these principles in the early 90's.
@@pjtheory there is a Video on RUclips, where Joe Lewis talks absolut his sparring with Bruce... Also Jim Kelly said that Bruce was untouchable 😉
@@rademarinkovic4582 In the late 60's, Bruce trained 4 of the best point fighters in the world at his home in Culver City. Bruce sparred with Chuck Norris and Louis Delgado whereas he focused on sparring drills with Joe Lewis and Mike Stone. My guess is that Bruce sparring with Norris/Delgado, was due to both martial artists being similar in size to Lee as opposed to Lewis/Stone who were 55 pounds/30 pounds heavier than the Little Dragon.
@@pjtheory ruclips.net/video/AXdG577px94/видео.html
@@rademarinkovic4582 This is not the type of sparring that Bruce did with Norris and Delgado. In other interviews, Lewis stated that he and Bruce "never sparred," and that the only time he saw Bruce actually spar was with student Herb Jackson at the L.A. school. Mike Stone has also stated that he never sparred with Bruce, but that similar to Lee's training sessions with Lewis, Bruce created sparring drills that fit the goals (e.g., improving their point fighting arsenal) of both men. These sparring drills helped Lewis to win 10 consecutive point tournaments in late 68 to early 69.
I've read some comments down here, but I'd like to address a straightforward approach to learning Jeet Kune Do - it's like learning how to play chess, you simply don't learn the moves, you have to learn principles that guide the moves, until they become part of your intuition, and later that intuition will enable you to move and think fast like in Bullet Chess, your body adapts quickly to the situation and still make the most reasonable move.
Every Martial Arts system have a set of principles. Not JKD only. This is not unique.
@@charlescross7868 What is unique to JKD is that it's not even supposed to be martial art exactly, it's a thought process. It's not just learning the intuition, to instantly know "what will work now", it's about learning that what does not work needs to be discarded. JKD class shouldn't just teach you the techniques Bruce Lee was using, it should encourage you to decide if it works for you or not and what you feel like is missing. Then discard what doesn't work for you and start training what you think is missing. So you might end up training JKD for a while and then maybe BJJ, Judo, whatever you feel like you need to improve. Ground grappling, standing grappling, joint locks, punches, kicks, blocks, deflects. Keep sparring, keep figuring out which bits of given martial art you actualy don't use in real life, because it's just not intuitive for you or your body isn't built for it (some techniques do like superiour or at least equal body size for example), then discard them. At some point on this journey you will realise you have a style of your own that works for you and that's your Jeet Kune Do. So I'd say it's similar to MMA, but MMA is also a system where someone already decided for you which techniques you should use and train even though they do mix some good bits from multiple systems, so not quite there yet. It's a mindset basically, not a martial art.
Yes principles are simplicity, directness and economy of motion. These things don’t change over time. Because we all have the same targets and limbs. If you follow these principles you will not go far wrong. This can’t be outdated. It’s timeless.
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@@jhonluna210Tommy Carruthers.
The main takeaway I get from this video = "Does it work ?" . As the many years have gone by , I see more and more conflicting philosophies and psychobabble regarding martial arts . My question to anyone - What is your confidence level in what you pursue and study ? - "Does it work?" .
An old , but still relevant and timeless quote - The essence of Success , Knowledge , Wisdom and Power ... is knowing what to overlook .
Bruce Lee said that his Art was not for everyone. He gave strict instructions about taking students . He told Unicorn Lee to "only teach elite students and to keep the class' few." I will agree that it not for all. Only those who's fighting spirit transcends that of what others try to limit can truly master this Art.
JKD and any other Martial arts is for everyone. It just depends on what are your goals and wants in specific types of arts to meet those goals you want to reach and accomplished.
@@charlescross7868
with all these fencing like attacks and forcing the lead leg kick down alone forcing the body to stepping back in to the on - guard position, that's pretty much a young men's art. so not for everyone. although it can be slown down specially for the old age one.
@@charlescross7868 “Of my art - Gung Fu and Jeet Kune Do - only one of 10,000 can handle it. It is martial art. Complete offensive attack. It is silly to think almost anyone can learn it.” (Bruce Lee Jeet Kune Do: Bruce Lee's Commentaries on the Martial Way. Lee, Little.
This could be said for any boxer possibly be training for years and fight another boxer and get his ass kicked now what does that say you can’t blame the art you have to blame the actual person
It's not all about the person. Sure, if the fighter does not train properly it's he's fault, but what he is training also has to offer some combat value. You can't say it's the break dancer's fault for not knowing how to fight, he's not training how to fight. Traditional Martial Arts by themselves do not teach you how to fight.
@@SatoshiEK I disagree
@@attritionwarrior Well, it's your right to. But I can't see how someone can believe training ballet will make you a good fighter. If you train ballet you'll be good at ballet, not at other things. At best there's some crossover. What you train matters a great deal, it's not only about the fighter.
@@SatoshiEK we agree to disagree, systems/styles dont make fighters. I have known a lot of people who fight very well with no martial arts training.
@@attritionwarrior Well, I bet if you put those people without training to fight against trained fighters of similar size and weight they're gonna lose badly. Like, do you understand if you want to be a physicist you gotta study physics? Why if you want to be a fighter you can do so learning something else not related? Why you can learn katas and just magically start fighting? You can't. To learn the art of fighting one must study the art of fighting, not something else.
In fighting the opponent is not static he or she is not standing still but in chaos. When training in reality a person can see their weakness and improve on them. It is a journey of self-discovery together with kindness from the student and the master greatness can be achieved. Also, it is a creative process in training equipment and which benefit the most.
Bruce stated that JKD is simple and direct. Yet thousands of students from the original and concepts have a hard time of what JKD is. Bruce was right about dismantling the entire system after he left to make movies. People are still confused about it.
@@KaptainCanuckcompletely incorrect. It has structure, principles and technique, as Bruce said himself
“Of my art - Gung Fu and Jeet Kune Do - only one of 10,000 can handle it. It is martial art. Complete offensive attack. It is silly to think almost anyone can learn it.” (Bruce Lee Jeet Kune Do: Bruce Lee's Commentaries on the Martial Way. Lee, Little.”
It’s not for everyone.
EVERY MARTIAL ARTS DOES WORK IT DEPEND HOW INTELLIGENT AND SMART YOU ARE
ABLE TO USE IT WORK OR DANCING AROUND WITH YOUR MOVEMENTS.
WAKE UP. 👊👊👊👊👊
I am happy that is still about doing what works for you, and forget the rest. Bruce's concepts are more important than the the majority of the moveset in his books, because that is the moveset that worked the best for him.
back n d day silat did not spar reason being theyll kill each other i was at a seminar my question same as others how do u know its goin to work
That argument is just a falacy. There's no such thing as a martial art that's too lethal for it to be used in sparring. That's just an excuse not to test the techniques and keep living in that imaginary world so many traditional martial arts perpetuate. It's just not reality.
Completely agree; if you can't apply what you learned under real-life scenarios, it's useless. Everything should be tested and refined, just as Bruce Lee went around and constantly tried with various other fighters winning and losing, while always learning. You can do all the drills you want, which are extremely valuable, but if you don't simulate the real world, it'll be unfamiliar and an overloading experience. I find there is a special learning experience you can only access when the survival mode is activated. Extreme athletes call this "the state of flow" where you find calm within the chaos, where they are in full control of themselves and the environment around them. Great examples are big wave surfers, downhill mountain bikers, wingsuit flyers, etc. These people put in a lot of practice and made a ton of mistakes to reach this level of expertise.
The question: "Would Bruce Lee been Bruce Lee if he only did drills his whole life?" After reading and watching everything on the guy, I'd say confidently, "no way!"
If JKD classifies itself as a combat art, it needs to be taught as such and anyone wanting to learn it is willing to put in the work and risk some bruises along the way. If not, they should choose a gentler martial art. It's my understanding that when Bruce was teaching, students took some good hits.
With today's advancements in protective combat training equipment, regular sparing should be a significant percentage of the learning experience to put all the pieces together. Obviously, this comes with strict training for safety by the instructor in cultivating restraint so students are comfortable and never fearful of each other.
The last thing that bothers me about JKD, which I understand why is the lack of a ranking system. In today's gamification of society, people want to know what level they are at and what achievements they need to reach the next one. I call it 'tracker culture' where everyone is logging their achievements, which I view as healthy and keeps engagement to do better or at the very least maintain what they have. As it is right now, you have no reference for skill in correlation to training invested and areas of skill that need improvement other than comments from the instructor. This would be beneficial to JKD and establish a standard of quality.
I would say there is no need for a ranking system for the techniques but for phisical fitness and speed and power and all of that when you can do a 1 hand 2 finger push thats when you get like a black belt or somthing like that
Dont lie. Bruce lee didnt test jkd and jkd is a garbage.
When did Bruce Lee lose?
Anyone who would even SUGGEST that JKD is "BS" fails
TOTALLY to understand the philosophy beHIND it. JKD is
Not a "Style," it is a "WAY," a Way of Self-discovery. It works
for ANYone who simply applies the fundamental principles.
JKD is bullshit!!!!!
@@charlescross7868 for who not get the actual point of jkd,for who masters it ,it is helpful
Sorry, but no. It has principles, you can’t decide to say I do “JKD” and not even follow the principles of simplicity and directness. It’s not just a name and it’s most definitely not just a philosophy either.
How did Jerry Poteet pass away? Was he sick or something?
Hi George - Sifu Jerry passed away from an accident during a routine medical procedure. I was there when he passed.
@@ekatatrainingcenter-gymsan1890 I trained with Dennis blue when he taught at Chaffee college . Then I was invited to his home to train . Later I was invited to Tim tacket for his Wednesday night classes . There was lots of sparring . They brought in many different other instructors as well as outside concepts and styles . And Aside from taking boxing, Muay Thai , And jujitsu it was some of the best training I have ever taken in my life
I guess I'm coming late to this argument. I don't know enough to have a decent say, but here is my take after following JKD since 1980: Bruce Lee's JKD died with him in 1973. Everything after that is going to be an interpretation of where he was at that time. He was methodical and would have explored more areas eventually but just did not have the time. Others are taking it in a direction of their choosing, but the idea is to keep what works and discard what doesn't. isn't that the mantra? Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, add what is uniquely your own? It seems that the real argument here is what people think is their own, not what Bruce Lee might have done in the last 48 years.
This seems like the most plausible answer
How to you evolve past simplicity and directness..? 🤔
I have dissassociated myself from all the JKD politics. When i taught people how to effectively defend themselves i never called it JKD, old school Jeet Kune Do or otherwise. I simply called it kickboxing for the street but adding other elements such as grappling, weapons etc... But we would always do the sparring and drills in the name of "What works" period!!! Never mind where it comes from or how much of it you do you know. Are you able to apply it against someone who is uncooperative and non compliant and do you have the mental capacity to perform it when someone is really trying to take your head off?? I agree with your perspective. Salute!!!
Good job you didn’t use the name JKD because you clearly weren’t following the principles of simplicity and directness.
@@axelstone3131 Actuallly i was and i still do. But i just refuse to use the words Jeet Kune Do. Simplicity, Directness and Economy of motion and beyond is what i always strive for!!
@@harimau1115 you know it’s not really about anything “that works” because that means anything you can land. Which means literally anything. Primary targets, being eyes, groin knees, possible throat, the rest being secondary.
Of course it depends if you are in a dangerous situation because primary targets could let to really bad long term problems although if someone is really trying to hurt you I don’t think most people are going to be concerned about that.
As a martial artist since 1992, here’s what I found was the #1 problem that plagues every martial art and pretty much causes it to always end up in a messy street fight on the floor. That problem is a thing called perception speed or what people are now calling ‘ultra instinct’. An attack can be so fast, it becomes impossible for our brains to register what’s happening and alert the nervous system in a timely enough manner to aptly defend against the attack. Furthermore, if the opponent is moving around very fast, then it’s hard to hit your target in time, hence it all ending in an unpredictable mess. IF we could see in bullet time (like Neo from The Matrix), then even tai chi could be used effectively, but we don’t have that ability, and that’s why martial arts always fails. I’ve only ever witnessed one fighter who has extraordinary perception speed, and that’s thai fighter Lerdsila. There’s ways of speeding up neural responses to an attack (I gradually worked out how to do this), and I also found out it was something Bruce Lee also discovered weeks before he died. But without heightened perception speed, you are going to just end up in a messy brawl.
Not just reaction time but also your dynamic visual acuity. This is how fast you can track things with your eyes ie: reading a sign as you zoom past it in a car or in this sense being able to see and register an opponents movements
The better your dynamic visual acuity the better you'll be able to react properly although this does work hand in hand with reaction speed as you need a good reaction time to be able to react to what you see and you need a good dynamic visual acuity to see what attack your opponent is going for so that you know how to react
These 2 things if trained can turn anyone into an absolute menace even with little martial art knowledge although paired with a good martial art one could easily surpass most if they work both smart and hard. Just being good at martial arts won't help if you have bad reaction time and having a fast reaction time won't help if you can't fight but together you could be a beast
@@3man3 Yes, what you label dynamic visual acuity is the same as perception speed. A fighter who has developed this ability (amazingly well) is Muay Thai fighter named Lerdsila.
This is true. I figured this out over 10 years ago when I used to play video games as a teen. There are alot of fast twitch video games out there that require alot of skill. With very little time to think. I noticed that the more stressed I was the quicker things seemed to go and the harder it was to react to anything. But when I relaxed and trusted myself I was able to find a zen state were time seemed to slow down and i could see everything almost before it happened and react without effort.
So how do you speed them up?
Its really what you do with it....im a practioner and it's affective for me it really helped my boxing ability and martial Arts experience...
@Martial arts enthusiast I disagree boxing punching is superior to all martial art punching that's why I train in it also the endurance conditioning to give and receive punishment is top...boxing is a martial art...JKD process is what I took into being a better boxer...JKD is never physical...never was...even Lee knew this you could only express it....this is why Bruce had a hard time teaching it because you can never teach it..Fyi I was a martial artist first before a boxing practioner....
@Martial arts enthusiast it's not a martial art it's a system a process of expression...dont you know this....
@Martial arts enthusiast who says I don't physically spar...i just told you I'm a practioner a practioner practices how do you think you develop the skill...of course you have to engage in combat, but your assuming that I'm just talking with words in my head...No...Im simply telling you that JKD is not a style it never was...JKD is the full expression of truth of being honest in the moment of conflict....JKD was a name Bruce had to give it because "Black belt magazine" needed a name when they did an article on Bruce in the 70's...you cannot teach self discovery thats the true essence of JKD..and you can never fully express JKD in the ring because its limitless...
@Martial arts enthusiast understood but JKD is not a martial Art....it is a system....you understand....this is what Bruce Lee was trying to explain...do your research on JKD Bruce even explained that JKD is like a boat to get you across a river and to be discarded once you cross.....do you know what Bruce is trying to tell you he basically is saying you everything you will learn outside me is going to be more important then what he could ever teach....my main argument here is JKD is not a martial art...its a system...or do you not understand that....
@Martial arts enthusiast JKD is simply the full expression of your body and how to use them to the maximum..which includes biting, growing shots eye gauging....to accomplish what you need it may require a martial art solution a certain kind which ever you prefer...but the problem is when you acquire a martial solution and focus on just one main solution you limit yourself to that form, and thus your stuck in one solution this is why some UFC fighters get caught with some random elbow or kick they never studied before, because they chose train only in one side martial arts....JKD is formless there is no look to it, it's raw and uncut...JKD is a tool....its like JKD is like a DVD player and the styles of martial Arts are like DVDs....the DVD player can play all the DVD formats....you get it!
Nicely put and 100% agree. What Bruce Lee said so often, Jeet Kune Do is to honestly express yourself, be it with a direct lead to the chin or reaching for enlightenment. It's all the same fight for self mastery.
I wouldn't disagree having studied various styles also. I think every style has it uses and flaws in a real fight situation and their application.
However a really good streetfighter is hard to beat because as you rightly point out, they are hard to control because they don't fight in any conventional way. They simply come at you fast and hard and adapt as the encounter takes place.
I met guys who never did any fighting practice of any kind but we're really good natural fighters. I remember a friend saying to me about another colleague, "if he studied something he would have been a champ". Thing is he didn't need to. He was champ on the streets.
For me there are three important elements.
1.It's not about style. It's about practice and personal effort.
2. Conditioning and mental adaptability. I suppose muscle memory is part of that, because you don't have to think about it. It becomes a natural reaction. (Muay Thai fighters and Shaolin masters focus a lot on this area). They can take a lot of punishment.
3. Personal attributes. Height, weight, body type, strength and reflex speed.
I met many guys from different martial arts and they were all really good even in real fight situations. The reason was because they were committed to the art form and achieved a very high level of ability.
I think Bruce understood all of that and took from all styles. For him if it worked it worked. I think he would say about Jeet Kung Do, " take what works for you then go and learn boxing, Muay Thai and another 50 styles of fighting and put it all together"!
Man, you seem like a nice reasonable person with the right mindset. You gotta question everything, including your martial arts. People like to believe in their martial art like it's a cult or a religion. That type of mentality is just damaging for those people themselves. Question your training and techniques and if it does not work just leave it behind and evolve. Go train someting else if necessary. Why would you waste your time in something that does not work if you want something practical?
I trained in JKD for 1 year, it was the most confusing art I have ever trained in. I had a difficult time learning the trapping techniques. We spent so much time and energy doing trapping drills, when it came down to full contact sparring, I couldnt use any of those techniques. I was very disappointed in myself. I never struggled like that in boxing or muai Thai, I wonder what I did wrong.
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I learnt jkd 35 years ago and I have 16 times multiple bullies assaulted experience at street battle and each time I prevailed. Any quarry for ask me..
“People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques.
You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily JKD instructor
“The majority of people who practice Jeet Kune Do are mixed up, they think it should be a part of Wing Chun, a part of MMA, a part of Thai boxing, a part of wrestling, you know, a part of Wing Chun, which this is completely incorrect. You don't go from style to style, you go from distance to target or target to distance. Longest weapon to the nearest target and the most direct and efficient route possible, that is Jeet Kune Do.” - Tommy Carruthers, JKD instructor
No, a style or way of thinking is only as great as the practitioner. A second man can not pose as the first man with the wife for he does not know all the thinking behind the man only what he has revealed. Bruce lee was great because he is greater than the sum of his writings left behind. Just like jesus is bigger than the gospels although important.
Boxing can be BS by the boxer representing it.
It's not all about the person. Sure, if the fighter does not train properly it's he's fault, but what he is training also has to offer some combat value. You can't say it's the break dancer's fault for not knowing how to fight, he's not training how to fight. Traditional Martial Arts by themselves do not teach you how to fight.
@@SatoshiEK every human being is at fault for they have flaws in fighting. Are you an atheist to say noone has flaws? Rofl. Everyone can teach ppl. But not everything ppl can be beneficial for the individual has to learn the knowledge and understand it then apply and modify.
@@gjeacocke I don't think you understand me. I specifically said the person can be bad at what they're doing and be at fault for not being able to fight. HOWEVER you can't just train anything for fighting and expect to be good at fighting. If you want to learn how to fight, train fighting. If you train on dance, painting, parkour... You're going to be good of what you train. If in your martial art you don't train fighting you're just not going to be good at fighting and it is definitely not your fault, it's the art's.
@@SatoshiEK no, i said the brain is wired differently in different ppl. Exploiting this with fighting techniques is what i meant. It is about the man or woman relating past knowledge and using it in fighting.
@@gjeacocke Ok so how does that relate to a martial art not being able to teach someone how fight? How does that mean it's the fighter's fault, not the art?
Regardless of style when fighting whoever gets his punch or kick to the target and gets knocked out is the winner. Not necessarily equating that that style is the best it just so happened that he won over the guy he floored.
Bruce lees jkd was awesome. Mine and yours jkd might be useless though
Jkd is a philosophy and no one has proven it to bs. Its the person that's bs not JKD. It's not meant for people with limitations 😎
@@MarvinNicholson823 You can make an excuse for a style if the majority of people who use it lose to other styles.
@@mrt445 I respect your opinion
@@MarvinNicholson823 In fact I actually agree with you. Bruce's philosophy was fantastic, I believe that if he was still alive today JKD would be as popular as BJJ. I believe that Bruce would have incorporated certain BJJ techniques and anti-BJJ sprawling techniques whilst maintaining JKD as a striking art... That's just my assumption...
The problem with JKD today is that we have people who've interpreted JKD the wrong way, that's why we constantly see JKD guys today losing against other arts.
For one, none of them agree with testing their skills in a full contact environment or even a no-rules full contact environment like Vale Tudo eventhubs Bruce would have loved this. They always come up with excuses as to why these JKD practitioners keep losing instead of learning from their loss then tweaking the art until it works which can be done. The worst excuses are people who criticise the art that was used to defeat JKD as not being perfect because it won't defend against guns, multiple attackers etc... as if that response proves that modern day JKD is a effective martial art in a one on one unarmed fight.
Another huge issue is the practitioners are terrible athletes. Bruce was a fitness fanatic. You can't expect to be a good fighter without having a certain level of athleticism. There's no way to get around that.
JKD teachers today believe that they're teaching and practicing a complete art eventhough Bruce died way too young to fully develop JKD bit he was far ahead of almost everyone at the time. He even said he was still constantly learning other arts and improving as a martial artist.
Had Bruce lived an extra 20-30 years we would have seen MMA fights before the current UFC, and full contact JKD tournaments, but today we have people who just try their best to imitate Bruce's moves in his movies and they'll claim it's proof that they teach authentic JKD.
@@mrt445 I believe that as well . And it would have not been called MMA it would have been called JKD.🌊🙏
How I interpret Jun Fan is just what Guru Dan says, learn absorb what is useful, discard what is not ,and add specifically your own. Just one example, I have a great training partner, we do the Techniques of Jun fan. If something doesn’t feel right experiment with it, see if it fits, and like Bruce said find the cause of your own ignorance. Some of the techniques I believe that are shown today are not Bruce Lee’s techniques. I think if he were alive what you see today would not happen. It became a money maker for a certain group. The way it works is to adapt to your opponent and be ready and be quick and done.
You and most people lack the insight and experience to know what works and what doesn’t.
To much “Bruce said this” and not enough “Bruce trained this way, this is what Bruce actually did”
If you paid more attention to what Bruce did instead of what he said you could possibly gain similar ability/skill but nobody does.
As for “add specifically your own” that to you and others means adding other techniques from other styles.. well, that’s not your own is it?
Also, Bruce never said this quote. It’s a Dan Inosanto quote misattributed to Bruce.
Great video.
JKD is not all fencing with your power side forward with a side kick added. I can't believe some of these idiotic responses unbelievable jealousy is an ugly word. JKD Senior Instructor Dan Inosanto taught Champion Anderson Silva, Jhoon Rhee taught Champion Muhammad Ali the Wing Chun JKD Vertical straight punch in which Muhammad Ali used in one of his heavyweight Championship fights, Muhammad Ali thanked Jhoon Rhee in the ring for teaching him that punch when being interviewed in the ring. Connor McGregor has always practice Ritually Bruce Lee's philosophies and theories of JKD and Wing Chun's attributes. Big George Foreman knocked out Michael Moore with an extremely hard Vertical straight punch Jab. TCB⚡
Great video
Interesting to note that in ALL competitive fighting styles no one needs to ask “ is this effective “
as they are constantly being tested
Jeet Kun Do is 100% mental the physical part has nothing to with it...thats Jeet Kun Do in its true essence...its a process of honest expression auditing yourself over and over again so when it manifest physically all the meaning and sense of what you do comes down to the moment of execution....this is how I have understood it you cannot express the full range of JKD in any ring...it can't be done...it can never be done...because the ring is the limitation...
One of the comments here suggested to "train and then take it to the streets and find out if it works"...I thought the first thing you learn in martial arts is how to avoid an encounter. Hopefully, if your dumb enough to "take it to the streets", the person/people don't have a gun or other weapons....
If Bruce Lee was still alive I believe he would have become proficient in BJJ
He had no use for ground fighting. He learned some but had no desire for it overall.
Actually when you are 13 and start martial arts and only had teacher for 4 and half years . I hope you would go and actually learn something because he is a master martial artist of bullshit
Yes more than likely. Chuck did. 👍
Didn’t need it, bjj goes against the process of simplicity and directness. Bruce was already stripping things down by the late 60’s so why would he “add” something else that makes things more complicated
He did know Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu people, & picked up some things from that system - as he did all systems. Dan Inosanto mentions a BJJ practitioner who was one of Bruce Lee's students.
JKD Concepts is NOT Bullshit. A lot of People claim that they know JKD Concepts & they do not. The US Army Rangers uses JKD Concepts. The US Navy SEAL Team 6 was Exclusively Trained by Paul Vunak.
JKD concepts doesn’t follow the principles of simplicity and directness.. the very principles that makes JKD work.
It shouldn’t even be called JKD concepts, because it doesn’t follow the principles or structure to make it work.
It should just be called Inosanto’s mma which is exactly what it is.
I believe in one other simple principle: if there are rules, it is NOT a fight. Sports and rings have rules.
i studied it my self from early 2 late 90s
REAL JKD is this. An integration of the ready position and weaponry connected seamlessly with JKD movement under a SUDDEN violent encounter. Like a war plane or jet fighter. It was designed for the street not for competition. Hence eye jabs and soft target strikes. It is an interception art. It’s what JEET means. If you can’t stop hit. Slip and or duck, bob weave etc. Then hit. If not reposte then hit. If not trap, check, jam then hit . If your opponent crowds you faster than you can retreat and hit intercept by moving to the inside with contact and hit, push, pull not opening up to much with strikes. If you are just standing still in front of a guy and not professionally moving being able to move and hit it’s not JKD. Fighting measure is used and controlled to help with the reflex lag. There is only 4 consonants in fighting. You, your enemy or enemies, time and space. JKD is designed to control time and space against the enemy by scientific movement of your weaponry against your enemy. Not just moving around Willy nilly dancing around is not footwork. By becoming instinctive in this movement one only focuses on what the enemy is doing and not if he does this I’ll do that. Fighting and for that matter wars are one by out positioning of the opponent or opponents. It’s as simple as that, but not easy.
true jkd is for self defence and to end a fight as quicklly as possible there are three main target eye jab,groin kick and knee kick along with the foot work nost of the time you dont need anything else all the rest of punching and kicking is mainly to not hurt him to badlly but to stop him with out ruinging his eyes or junk or knee
If you tried JKD you have your doubts might mean you can't adapt and accept go in with clear mind be water my friend.
Great Video. Does JKD work? Yes, and NO! The mistake is in thinking that any style is set in stone. Bruce Lee's message was to accept what is useful and discard what doesn't work. That means, does it work for the individual. Essentially, that's the foundation. That includes any technique in JKD that does not work for the individual using it. The best contribution from the rise of real world MMA was the weeding out of all the bullshit people had been teaching for years that simply didn't work. Bruce wasn't trying to teach a "style," JKD was about exploration and discovery.
JKD is not a one-size-fits-all... JKD is Bruce Lee's individualized evolution of combat fighting... that means it will not fit you!
2 things you must have for JKD to work is speed and ability to predict opponent movement. Speed you can train, prediction is the hard part, for instance focus on oppenent elbow more than their fist because elbow always move before the punch.
Hmmm... I have to agree that understanding JKD and not being able to apply it means you don't understand it. I first started my JKD journey around 1978/9. I'd started Wing Chun about five years earlier. JKD has two distinct elements which unfortunately get forced into one unless you get the real picture. One side of his art was his techniques which evolved over the years he was teaching and training. The other/second aspect, was his research methods. This included training skills and methods but also ways to analyse fighting arts and personal styles. The trouble comes when you condense the two together. Example, Bruce developed the five methods of attack. This was a research method and not a technique to train and internalise. If you go into a fight, you don't have time to analyse your opponent you just react. I can guarantee, if you start to wait until you're given enough examples of attacks your opponent throws at you, you've been in the fight too long. However, if you are a competitor in kick boxing, boxing, bJJ, etc you can analyse your opponents fights and draw up a strategy. You can also analyse a martial art you are watching and work out how best to deal with it or, learn from it. As Bruce would say, JKD is simple, it is a tool. Incorporating the research methods of it allows you to develop your own style, however mistaking it as JKD (ie including the research methods as the physical) will corrupt and distort JKD.
It’s really not about style. It’s about refining your attributes.
“People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques.
You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.”- John Paul Daily JKD
did u ever try it in sparring its kind a hard 2 do
Oblique low line and oblique to high round. Jab(regular) and Jab Veritical fist(high and low line). Pinning hand and push hand trap/Deflectors. Side kick low and mid line(with and without backfists). These are just some tools that I have no trouble using in strong spars.There are others but these are some of my tools.
MMA is JKD ie MMA is what JKD is supposed to be.
Some of it. It depends on the school. Do they spar and go full contact? They are probably good. If they “dissect a corpse” they are probably BS. Do they do the “daily decrease” or collect systems and techniques like an anthropologist. BLs JKD was pretty simple toward the end of his life. Many expressions of it now are overly complicated.
I watched a Paul vunak jun fan video from the 80s. It's basically boxing with kicks, and boxing defense and footwork and sparring and headbutts and elbows. Vunak moved like a champ. So at least I think Vunak 's JKD works. Does someone else JKD work? Must judge on a case by case. There was another guy he calls himself a doctor, forgot his name, also made training videos of JKD, his stuff just looked bad and didn't work.
That was Doctor Zee Lo
Interesting video , but this subject is impossible , also jeet kune do has been confused with jun fan jeet kune do , they are not the same , also the varied interpretations are totally confusing , also Dan inosantos interpretations which he imparted to others leads to even more confusion , so anyone who was exposed to Dan will therefore hand down their interpretations and confuse it even more , also there have been different branches , or offshoots of the original jkd , and if you follow those directions , or which branch your practitioner came from , and combine all that with each individuals interpretations of the art , as shown to them , it really becomes impossible to really say you are a jeet kune do practitioner , and this is another reason why this whole subject is so interesting , because in all other art styles , there is a reliable and predictable subset of rules that are adhered to , so jkd is , in my opinion , the only art that falls outside that , and basically , jeet kune do was developed by Bruce lee , for himself , also there are many secrets that Bruce did not pass on to anyone , even Dan , in fact , I read an interview a long time ago , given by Bruce at the stage where he developed jeet kune do , that he no longer did the energy drills that he used to do , but when I see him , it is obvious that wasn’t true , listen , Bruce wanted to be the best in the world , so does anybody really think that he would give away all his secrets ? If you had a secret weapon would you give that information to your enemies ? I think not , so in closing I would just like to say again , I thank you for this interesting video , but in my opinion , don’t invest time in jkd , it is simply not quantifiable by any stretch of the imagination , learn anything else , that’s the conclusion I came to long ago , I love Bruce lee , I still enjoy watching his movies , and I do think he was the best , but there really is only one Bruce lee
Junfan Jeet Kunedo is simply a name recognizing that Jun Fan Gung Fu is a part of the Jeet Kune Do curriculum
I wouldn’t say Dan is the best representation of Jkd by any means. Not to say he’s not an amazing martial artist, but he’s definitely a concepts guy
Maybe you should check out Tommy Carruthers. Listen to what Jesse Glover, Bruce Lee’s first student says about him.
3:34 But Ed. What am I, as a JEET KUNE DO private practitioner. I’m not with an official Bruce Lee lineage. But I have my talents. What do you say about the fact that people are teaching the art, and they aren’t so much as even teaching them the JUN FAN GUNG FU. 1. THE PAK n BUI SAO ENTRIES. Dan Inosanto was pretty candid and clear about certain fundamentals and the essence of it. The chop choy gua choy was changed. The structure went back to SNAKE and CRANE because Bruce n Dan had that KALI influence as well. Then there’s JERRYS material. Jeet TEK, LAO SIN CHOY. Chasing and blasting. Blading. Dissolving. Economic motion. Simplicity. It’s all being skipped over. 🙏😉😢
If Bruce Lee was alive, he would be training MMA. You keep talking about the original JKD but the world is taught by people like Lee Morrison, Rodney King, Tony Blauer and many others who do research for regular fighters and not super athletes. Silat is a beautiful martial art, and it can be functional, but it requires a lot of time and healthy young people. Many people practice Silat as a dynamic replacement for Taichi. You don't have to be the best at BJJ, but you do have to have perfect counter techniques against BJJ. In terms of time, it is faster and easier to train good counter techniques. You are living in history and now you are waking up plural because the world is moving forward. But you have my respect.
“People fail to realize Bruce moved beyond technique. Once you understand the goal is to hit primary targets in the shortest time possible. All the fluff can be cut away. So you don't have to learn new techniques.
You find better safer direct and indirect ways to attack these points. The rest of your time is spent training your body to refine this process.” - John Paul Daily JKD instructor
“The majority of people who practice Jeet Kune Do are mixed up, they think it should be a part of Wing Chun, a part of MMA, a part of Thai boxing, a part of wrestling, you know, a part of Wing Chun, which this is completely incorrect. You don't go from style to style, you go from distance to target or target to distance. Longest weapon to the nearest target and the most direct and efficient route possible, that is Jeet Kune Do.” - Tommy Carruthers, JKD instructor
I can assure you, what Bruce was doing goes far beyond anything mma could ever hope to be.
You have no understanding at all about Bruce’s method.
When I do jkd I like to use it on the ground with my bjj or judo or wrestling.
Are you positive that he’s wrong Wolfgath?
(㊙️#viperjkd ) ✅SON-TSI “We support you Sifu Ed. There’s a lot of deception out there. I’ve seen people saying we gave up blasting. Dissing JERRY. Teaching JKD that looks like combat karate. #jeetkunedo our way works. Big hits right Ed. 😉💯💥
I am pretty sure that JKD is not a self defence. It's a way of finishing a fight quickly what ever the outcome, even death. Based on wing chung thats not allowed in mma.
Pressure testing jkd to stimulate a real fight in sparring. This where seeing reality and real-world correction can be made. The truth will show up. JKD welcomes Thai boxing, wrestling, savate, foil fencing, Thai best kick is kicking the leg. BBj they do kick. Certainly, boxing has pressure testing. which bruce lee used boxing. Can JKD be used in MMA yes if understanding MMA and incorporate. I would recommend BBJ or wresting, pinch grapping in JKD. Training reaction ball instead of speed bag, kicking reaction ball, JKD is creative.
When practiced in the gym as a combat art NO! You can modify any art or add moves direct effective, fluid and changing...I say read the methods and practice them you will see it works in real combat! lol
To me......JKD is an expression of your own personal martial arts or art. Learn the art or arts you want to.....then express it all into one. Not mix it all together, but Express it all together.
“The majority of people who practice
Jeet Kune Do are mixed up, they think it should be a part of Wing Chun, a part of MMA, a part of Thai boxing, a part of wrestling, you know, a part of Wing Chun, which this is completely incorrect. You don't go from style to style, you go from distance to target or target to distance. Longest weapon to the nearest target and the most direct and efficient route possible, that is Jeet Kune Do.”
- Tommy Carruthers
Hmm, 🤔
Besides the issued Q?,
Respects your 'J.Poteet' history 🙏.,
Had brief 'PR' C2F via his cast 🎬 trip UK, 'Dragon' biopic 94.
Yet, *YoU* 👀 familiar for some other regard??
Been v% to 🇬🇧 UK ??
"stand up Jiu-Jitsu" : )
JKD is not a one size fits all. JKD is everything and nothing although JKD is just a name. Solidify yourself in its basics and simplicity then dissolve it and let yourself go. "It" does "it" all by itself.
Truth won't reveal itself unless you switch your whole being on.
I gave up 90 percent of my FMA and JKD training when I realized I didn't have an efficient response to a mid-level grappler. I do agree however, that when practiced correctly JKD can develop a great, to the point mindset. It isn't that trapping drills don't develop good skills, they just don't put them in a realistic context. Chi São teaches the same push pull sensitivity as judo or jujitsu. It is just practiced in a way that doesn't reflect the realities of fighting. JKD concepts are solid, if you can apply them to the situation. Longest weapon closet target, strong hand lead etc...but, understanding the context is imperative. I train BJJ almost exclusively while adding a little FMA knife work and JKD concepts and entries. Particularly straight blasts into body locks. I no longer do the PAC São lap São combos to headbutts. Too predetermined. I have had instructors from the Inosanto line and the Ted Wong line. Wong would tell his guys, according to my instructor, if he didn't like you he would teach you trapping.
What happens if you get attacked by more than one person? Do you honestly think BJJ is going to work if you're trying to execute an arm bar while you're getting kicked in the head by his friend?🤔
Grappling is useless against multiple attacks and weapons. You didn't need to give up on FMA or JKD you just needed to add grappling to the Mix. When someone comes at you with a knife Jui ji jitsu will get you a grave. You're better off with FMA.
You sound like someone who practiced trapping sensitive with crap or no footwork 😂 ah man that's too bad
If it works keep, if it dont leave. Self discovery is more important.
IT has worked perfectly for me.
How?? Elaborate
Anybody can say that but I've yet to see somebody in JKD to actually prove it. I'm not trying to be disrespectful here, I'm just saying the truth. If any JKD fighter could go into a fight., fight for real and film it so everybody can see that would be great, but it just does not happen.
@@SatoshiEK there is a video on youtube a muay thai guy vs a jeet kune do guy and the jeet kune do guy knocked the muay thai guy with a backfist
@@Anas-io3zf I know what video you're talking about. I gotta say JKD people are definitely not the worst fighter I've seen. When you watch them fight you can see they're not completely clueless and can do some stuff, but it's just not enough. JKD seem to lack so much. Like Taekwondo lacks a lot, Karate lacks a lot, Boxing too, Muay Thai... Every martial art lacks something, toehrwise they would be the same thing. And that's alright, nobody should expect to be good at fighting training only one martial art. But I also gotta say I think you're better off training Muay Thai, Boxing, Jiu-jitsu etc. That video of a JKD guy knocking a Muay Thai fighter is just one among the many of videos where the JKD fighter just cannot do much. Here are some examples on RUclips:
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ruclips.net/video/D6Ltg-vZrZw/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/5mdwFqHS3_Y/видео.html
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@@SatoshiEK i agree with you on some points that JKD may be incomplete depending on the person practicing it but those practitioners on the videos u posted aren’t as close as what a real JKD practitioner look and fight like , some used only fists some don’t even know what footwork is and some are complete beginners , In my opinion we should not judge JKD based on this videos.
JKD is primarily just the earliest form of Western Kickboxing (created a little before Louis invented American kickboxing). So no it's not B.S.
As some have stated, the gripes you and Matt have, exist in EVERY SYSTEM, even in mma there are varying "schools of thought". Muay thai practitioners and Jujitsu too have been bested at times by "Brutal streetfighters " in the "no holds barred world" are they NO GOOD!?? Or was it PERHAPS that practitioner that was ineffective 🤔? Train Hard and practically,with pressure testing being a "REGULAR " occurrence and not the rarity and you can pretty much use "anything " effectively. I have a LOT of stories similar to yours EXCEPT it went the OTHER way🤔....Train real, train hard. It will work for you.......Next time you make a similar video you can "pick" any ol system yes?😏
what youll find is if you pressure test jkd ,what works for you wont be jkd,it will be kickboxing with messy grappling.Thai and bjj have much greater chances in any encounter
@@scarred10 In most of my Training we tended to have some damn good Grapplers too. Jits guys who wanted some hands(Boxing and Kickboxing ARE parts of The Jun Fan Curriculum, Many JKD schools use Muay Thai Heavily but Not JUST Muay Thai). And If you have ever Worked out or Rolled with JKD Teachers Larry Hartsell or Guru Brown I'm SURE you will realize their Grappling is anything BUT "MESSY"🤨. That said, the same can be said of the arts you named, we have seen EXPERT Jujitsu guys who, when unable to impose their style, resorted to VERY MESSY "STRIKING "😂(Royce,Rickson,Renzo,Inoue,Sperry,Vallid AND MANY OTHERS) Does that mean it's not effective?? Same for Muay Thai,We have witnessed "multi champs" "Served up"by "sloppy Street-like Haymakers".....Is Muay Thai not effective?.....I myself have trained both and have love for each but I'm ALSO smart enough to Realize their Limitations And MORE IMPORTANTLY, the Quality of the Artist( or lack thereof in certain situations).
@@bronzetiger3837 hartwell had grappling training outside jkd I think it was judo and wrestling.What I mean is that the core signature techniques of jkd wont be seen. The bjj guys you mean have zero striking,not messy,they dont have it in their system. On the contrary, jkd does have grappling and anti grappling but it doesn't work under pressure. For example bjj,wrestling and boxing still look exactly like themselves under pressure, the same cannot be said for most other arts,especially oriental ones.
@@scarred10 Disagree. The Tools used are often the same(The Jab,The cross,straight, uppercut) I use then in sparring a lot ALONG with my Chain Punches, Vertical fist(my main "jab"just like Boxer Marquez)my Bon so, wing hand deflector(much like the shoulder roll in Boxing's Philly Shell and if raised higher is a "shield" or "space for side and low inside leg kicks.The "parry" from Boxing is a "lighter handed" deflection, easily transitions into a quick "pinning Hand"or "trap".Famed Trainer Teddy Atlas commented on the "trapping " technique when Watching the Awesome Lomanchenko. The "oblique" is a Wing Chun staple, used in JKD(also the Savate version) and CONSTANTLY seen in the Mma matches.......These ARE USED IN INTERCEPTING. Impeding the"progress" of VARIOUS incoming attacks. You see it in Combat All the time, it's just that JKD makes it a Priority. Can it be done All the time? ....🤔 Can ANYTHING? Nah. Can it be effective in Real encounters? I live in Baltimore and have had(UNFORTUNATELY?) To defend a Blade attack and Bat attack.Blade was parried and an inside low kick made him stumble😂,then I jetted. Bat attack was stopped before it truly got off. Intercepted. Now did I get lucky? Possibly. Except I have students and training buds with like stories(Bad Black neighborhoods and "reputation "make for a volatile mix😂).....Also,one student was "robbing" drug dealers with an empty gun(He said EVERYBODY called his bluff😂🤣,thus the "fights" and ADMITTEDLY one of the "training Partners" was a "loudmouth Drunk" who knew how to apply his shit(Dude disarmed a guy on a City bus using only Aikido once🤔) I have many "street tales" of Dudes that know their stuff, applying it(and living)(ALSO of hauling ass from gunfire🙄) Its the ONLY Reason I even respond to comments like yours. It's a BIG, REAL WORLD man and You guys that keep on thinking What you see in a SPORT is gonna fly when violence truly breaks out, may find yourself surprised🤔
There is only one Bruce Lee .
No hongkong people will pay to learn that .
only way to find test it get in d ring with other discipline also u might want to train jkd not jkd concepts
No point using jkd in a ring because its designed for the streets, jkd has muay thai in it and boxing as its main form of striking aswell as savat so it kinda is an mma also anderson silva used it a lot followed by wing chun
@@corywheeldon1538 they use muay thai and boxing in the ring. But they cant use JKD????
@@lmfao8245 can you go to the eyes no groin no throat no so what the point self defence art not a sport
@@corywheeldon1538 everybody fights dirty.. not just JKD
@@lmfao8245 there's levels of fighting dirty and not once did I say just jkd I said jkd because that's what the topic is based on but there's a difference between cage fighting, ring fighting and doing what you have to do to fight in a life or death situations, now before we judge im not saying muay thai or what not doesn't work in real life or death situation im just saying some arts are specialist in that field designed to end the fight in seconds with simplicity and not very hard technique where as muay thai is not designed to end a fight in seconds but that's why it has rounds, but again I'm not saying muay thai can't be used to end a fight quickly its just that's not its objective
All arts have something to offer. It's about the persons goal and are they training for it. What muscle memory are they building.
It all boils down to is if you can do it or you just can’t. You will know a jkd man or woman when you see them in action.
Style can't fight for you. The martial art isn't bad the artist's bad
but what is a man without style, without direction. training in styles gives the practitioner confident and the ability he can do, and if there time, it helps him collect himself to build a form and strategy, hoping it ends the fight.
Not a fan of your thoughts on the carotid choke. I think you answered your own question when you said ppl hold on too long. So don't blame the correction, blame the problem or the point goes right over your head. Even after saying the disclaimer "I know why it's a problem, but...." when you say that it seems you don't understand.
When You Don't understand JKD, the way Master Bruce ment it to be taught You can't evaluate It
JKD Is Only Things You Should Take To Apply In Rl Fight
Zero JKD in MMA. It don't say JKD is a street science because all MMA fighters can fight on the street too. Ga-ga-gay
This is a problem I feel jkd has I've had some lessons I'm no jkd master not in the least Dan inosanto calls it jkd concepts ted Wong calls it jeet kune do Dan inosanto can call it what ever he wants nothing but respect for him he's a icon I could learn from him all my life endless but I agree with ted Wong I feel jkd should be taught jkd beginning Chinese boxing stop using concepts and think rank should be used the Chinese sash white green blue red so on beginning level? So many techs then so many hours sparring trapping real time gives you real experience you got hit you hit some one I know its going backwards no some never fought before the sash is a goal to look forward to concepts first be able to fight from jkd I became good at boxing and became good. At kali
Yes it is! Bruce died too young to complete it. But then again, it was always changing. He himself was too young. The best compliment I can give is his book, which was a path towards MMA. Perhaps if he was still alive, he'd be a major part. But JKD is B.S. and MMA is the real deal.
how do you evolve past simplicity and directness....? (Core principles of JKD)🤔
MMA is just a modern form of the “classical mess” that lacks any of the principles of JKD. You are misinformed.
@@axelstone3131 . Perhaps if he lived longer he himself would admit JKD is classical mess. He was too young to event anything! His school had no structure and was always evolving.
@@user-uj7kd6mb5b completely and utterly incorrect. JKD was developed through scientific and methodical methods. There is nothing remotely “messy” about his method. What is a mess is other people’s “interpretation” of it. Bruce Lee was a kinetic genius as quoted by many people who knew and trained with him. He was intelligent well beyond his years and got decades worth of training done in half the time it takes the average person.
His method is probably one of the most effective, direct and simplistic approaches to martial art that has even been developed. Look at what he did, not what others are trying to pass off as JKD. I suggest you look into Tommy Carruthers, Thomas Marx JKD or John Paul Daily JKD on here. I think you have some pretty significant gaps in your understanding of what JKD is.
Calling it a “classic mess” shows a huge fundamental misunderstanding of the art.
Just to be clear, we are talking about a guy who trained hardcore, and I mean hardcore for around 15 years 99% of the time, did unorthodox training methods, did hundreds to thousands of reps everyday.
His schools had structure, curriculum and a plan for each student to improve their attributes based of what they needed to work on. You seem to know little of the facts.
Borrowing others martial arts to mix into something you call your “own” is not “following your own path”
JKD is its own thing, with its own principles, structure, footwork and technique.
You don’t improve beyond simplicity and directness when it comes to fighting.
You don’t know what JKD is or what Bruce Lee was doing.
Yep
I can't speak for the rest of ya,' but it sure worked for ME!
I really don't understand all the BS surrounding Bruce Lee's art. It is essentially Kickboxing and the beginning and root of MMA.
Is Bruce Lee BS? There you go. JKD varies from practitioner to practitioner because it’s open ended concept, one does more grappling than the other JKD who emphasizes more strikes. It varies.
“The majority of people who practice
Jeet Kune Do are mixed up, they think it should be a part of Wing Chun, a part of MMA, a part of Thai boxing, a part of wrestling, you know, a part of Wing Chun, which this is completely incorrect. You don't go from style to style, you go from distance to target or target to distance. Longest weapon to the nearest target and the most direct and efficient route possible, that is Jeet Kune Do.”
- Tommy Carruthers
one Bruce Lee; it is your interpretation of what you absorb and take from it....
i feel that JKD has become corporate and comercialised and cut and pasted and stylelised, with so many masters ,grand masters and sifus and of course experts who have never sparred or had a fight in their lives and just chasing glory by goal hanging around with the self made personality politics of JKD, waiting for that score of approval with name dropping ,having pod casts and doing videos of jkd just by talking, and making what bruce lee said over rated in the proccess. i have never had a jkd lesson, but i get what bruce lee was getting at in his philosephy and his teaching , i have done realistic and no nonsence styles over the years and wouldnt fight on the street as i would in the gym and i aint no expert. the only ones who knew bruce lee was those who trained with him and i guess alot of his teaching has got lost over the years and arguments i have seen which jkd is the best jkd concepts or theory. and feel that all this certicates have become bullshit at most. the real people who know what JKD is are the ones that was trained by bruce lee and they learned by doing. With alot of respect i think alot of hard styles can have alot going for them with a realistic and no nonsence approach to martial arts and a full combat sports also if you keep the product and change the rules an introduce ilegal moves with for example head buttts elbows and knees and arm bars chokes and holds amongst others, and dont fight on the streets as you would in a gym and then you could come out worse off. although i have found alot of instructors or teachers and people of styles dont see the difference between fantasy and reality.and could call this stuff jkd
Saw the video..possibly again..i love all of em!! Ty sifu!!
nice im from louisville kentucky
I watch your clips when you discuss things and they're usually valid yet I don't see much of you actually training or doing something not that you can't you probably could but you should show some of that but I do respect what you sayand I don't really think it matters about the martial arts when you ran into the guy that does the Indonesian martial arts some guys are going to fail at that and some guys are going to be very good with that just like in JKD does a lot of guys that would fail in JKD where other arts isn't it an individual thing before you start to call based on one person that came to the door that knew something about Indonesian martial arts you're saying Indonesian martial arts is b******* maybe he was b*******it's like some boxes are very good and some are not if a boxer came to your studio and he lost would you say boxing was b*******
Self discovery how about this I'm out of shape over weight my trapping sucks nearly can kick don't know the difference playing with sticks and fighting at a dog brother gathering for your life!!!
My martial arts started in 1980 at 5yrs of age in nippon kempo in 1991 started jkd kali under ted lucaylucay then after teds passing went kickboxing judo catch and some jitsu went back to jkd got rank under paul vunak did some training under guro dan. My oppion if you do jkd for figjting yes its bullshit however if you view jkd as concepts when applying boxing or grappling then jkd is not bullshit THANKS FOR THE VIDEO😁
you said form, jkd as I know it doesn't rely on form. BE LIKE WATER
OMG , what are you talking about, JKD was Bruce Lee self expression, and his art , lots of people have lived and earn money from this including Dan , does JKD work if Bruce lee uses it yes absolutely, anyone else no , because they never had the prowess that Bruce Lee had in the art of martial arts. People need to Leave Bruce Lee alone he died in 1973 . If you can’t see how amazing he was, then you don’t know what you’re talking about…
If you don’t train like Bruce you won’t get to his level or skill. It’s simple. Most don’t even try. Most don’t follow his methods.
No such thing as bad student only bad teacher regardless of art.if you do not trian your students to evolve then it is not True JKD.
Jeet kune Do is the Truth..
Maybe not Dans JKD might be student wasn't worthy to learn and adapt to be good fighter he lacked to much.
concepts are
the fact you are downing anything is sad to me
You misinformed yourself. Read again about "Classical Mess." It's most likely If not obvious that he would want you to go the MMA direction against Kung Fu and Karate and so on.
Jeet Kune Do emphasized its directness and simplicity while using whatever technique is required such puching,kicking,trapping and grappling range.Apply what is useful and discard what is not....
they focus 2 much on drills not sparring or full contact fighting
They don't
Depends on the school. I don’t think practicing eye jabs or groin kicks could be possible. I do believe sparring as you have said is critical if used to train for timing and depth perception and get used to seeing shots. Two guys just beating each other in itself don’t help skill. It may help pain tolerance. Depends on the goal I guess
That’s not true
As a JKD practitioner who trained under Ted Wong (Bruce Lee's personal student) I've no problem fighting MMA fighters especially grapplers who cross train to us.
Actually MMA fighters like Muay Thai practitioners are easy opponent as long you know how to intercept them with mid side kick, leg obstruction and striking n different angles.
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Bruce Lee was the greatest fighter and Martial artist whoever lived. Your question is what's Bullshit. JKD is essentially MMA with wing Chun. So you tell me.
Jeet kun do = MMA.
“The majority of people who practice Jeet Kune Do are mixed up, they think it should be a part of Wing Chun, a part of MMA, a part of Thai boxing, a part of wrestling, you know, a part of Wing Chun, which this is completely incorrect. You don't go from style to style, you go from distance to target or target to distance. Longest weapon to the nearest target and the most direct and efficient route possible, that is Jeet Kune Do.” - Tommy Carruthers
Jeet Kune Do - the one Martial Art that people who've never trained in any Martial Art say they have done for 10-15 years after finding out that you train.
Master Ken (11th Degree - Ameri Do Te) is the only martial artist qualified to call _anything_ bullshit... and I am certain Master Ken would call this palooka a white belt bullshit artist...