Lee was trained in boxing, between 1956 and 1958, by Brother Edward, coach of the St. Francis Xavier's College boxing team. Lee went on to win the Hong Kong Schools boxing tournament in 1958 while scoring knockdowns against the previous champion Gary Elms in the final. Bruce was a boxing enthusiast and a fan. of course he was going to study great boxers with great technique.
You can see boxing was totally different then, no ref, no 8 count when you get knocked down. This is a good comparison video. Ive just finished reading your book JKD in fighting where you talk about this in more detail
Driscoll was a boxer who influenced Bruce in his writing extensively and he was indeed using simplicity in boxing to evolve JKD beyond a Wing Chun base…The question then becomes in JKD did Bruce ultimately come to see Wing Chun as a FUNDAMENT and boxing as a SUPPLEMENT ? Or did Bruce see things like Boxing and fencing as challenging the idea that Wing Chun was the base of JKD because these other tools gave his art more PRACTICAL EFFICIENCY because they were more simple and direct . And also they were more in line with the progressive weapons chart and its realism in applying weapon to target. Ted Wong argued that even if JKD started with Wing Chun as its base fundament we do not end up with this. We evolve beyond it by discarding it like an apple core.
Eric Carr JKD doesn’t even know what the progressive weapons chart was until I told him earlier on 🤦♂️ He said “That progressive weapons chart maybe someone's pontification or complication of something that was meant to be simple. Or their way of organizing things for their own. And it's not important. I have stacks of notes given to me from first generation students. And I've worked with several of them.” This is coming from a certified JKD instructor as well 🤦♂️
@@axelstone3131well the progressive weapons chart is sorting out in a coherent way what tools work for what different ranges and it’s just working out what is practical…I think mr. Carr in his dismissal may have misunderstood what the progressive weapons chart actually is. ..And his assertion that it makes simple things complex is actually reality around backwards which reveal that he hasn’t properly understood it….Because if one is sorting out what works best for different ranges this SIMPLIFIES. It doesn’t complexify. He’s misunderstood it’s relation to functionality and so spuriously dismisses it as ‘not important’ when in reality it is axiomatic.
@@walterevans2118 these guys are all the same. I already told John and Thomas about this and they both pretty much said the same thing. The guy is clueless, seems like a lot of JKD people are.
@@axelstone3131 well, I see a lot of Wing Chun as chasing hands without footwork mobility and it’s almost waiting for something to come in on you FIRST as an attack and then physically lock in to it to block or re direct it but the simpler by pass would be to intercept the INTENT of an attack before the physical motion of it is even off the starting blocks. That was what Tommy was always trying to achieve as the highest level of JKD…Tommy learned the WC but he simplified it and by passed it.
The real unknown teacher of Bruce Lee was his father's best friend living in Seattle Fook Yeung also friend of Yip Man. He did not want to be known as he didn't want to offend Yip. Bruce roomed with him on arrival to US. Fook was a red boat opera enforcer and played monkey king
Yes we wouldn't be talking about JKD at all if it weren't for Bruce but then JKD is an Art rather than something built around Bruce as a media figure.....Other practitioners can continue to refine his Art into the future.
Sorry to disagree but I think this point should be answered. It’s about what Bruce Lee studied…if we don’t know that, then we’re merely copying the man and not actually learning. To not understand Ip Man and Jim Driscoll especially is to miss the heart and soul of what Lee was doing. And if we do that we may as well go all the way and marry a woman named Linda, get a dog named Bobo, and name our kids Brandon and Shannon. It’s about truly understanding the key ideas and sources, not just copying the man. At any rate, thanks for watching.
@@JKDandWingChun Well , when you talk about copying Bruce one has to specify what is being copied of Bruce. Obviously we shouldn't rigidly copy his exact physical motion but we should copy the application of the economic principles he applied to make JKD more practically effective and efficient. I certainly wouldn't get a dog named Bobo or indeed marry a dog of ANY name. & I certainly wouldn't use Bruce's name to sell Whiskey products either. Bruce was a health fanatic & he only pretended to get p*ssed in the BIG BOSS. 🙃 ..Hang on, I can t get the rig ht sti cker o n
@@walterevans2118that’s always the reason isn’t it? “You’re just copying Bruce” well, if I want to gain attributes like Bruce it’s probably a good idea to look at what he actually did instead of what he said 🤷♂️
@@axelstone3131 well, when people see very economical movement they tend to perceive it as ‘copying Bruce’ but they shouldn’t be evaluating JKD by what it LOOKS LIKE but by how EFFICIENT it is.
Another boxing book that influenced Bruce’s thinking was Haislet’s book where Bruce would copy word for word Haislet’s passages while substituting his own single terms into the paragraphs….And also of course Jack Dempsey’s important book.
@@JKDandWingChun Well Bruce's JKD was no restrictions on targets or weapons in life or death situations. I think they should study boxing but a lot of modern boxing doesn't have the same skill & body mechanics as the old school stuff of fighters like Ali,,,Frazier, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard..And the older fighters like Robinson, Dempsey, Grebb,,,Joe Louis, MMA isn't so good on the punching as specialist professional boxers (As MGregor found out against mayweather....Actually before he passed away in Pms LEO FONG was talking about the old school boxers. extensively with me. Miss Leo.
@@Lo60mktoo much philosophical babble that doesn’t equate to practical skill. Stop paying so much attention to what Bruce said and look at what he DID. Look at how he TRAINED. It’s not a style, but it has principles, its own footwork, body mechanics that MAKE It work. What you said is a cop out for people to take the name JKD and misrepresent Bruce’s martial art by not following the principles or training methodology. I can assure you it is very much a martial art based on thorough research and development into human biomechanics. JKD works BECAUSE of the structure, because of the footwork, because of the stance, the body mechanics. Bruce Lee wasn’t standing around talking a bunch of philosophy that has no practical real life application. He trained a practical, physical skill around 30 hours a weeks, hundreds of eye jabs, punches, kicks. Supplementary training for body mechanics, footwork, stabiliser muscles. If people actually followed Bruce’s methods and principles, they could gain similar abilities but instead people like to overly philosophise a martial art about ending or stopping the situation as fast as possible. And no, a lot of quotes like “absorb what is useful discard what is not” doesn’t even come from Bruce. It’s a Dan Inosanto quote, just like the quote at the front of the tao of JKD doesn’t say: “This book is dedicated to the free, creative martial artist: "Research your own experience, absorb what is useful, reject what is useless and add what is essentially your own." - Bruce Lee It just says: “This book is dedicated to the free, creative martial artist: "Research your own experience sorb what is useful, reject what is useless and add what is essentially your own." Because never said this, especially add what is specifically your own. Most people have NO IDEA what’s useless and what practical for them. Bruce wasn’t teaching people a bunch of mixed stuff, he wasn’t telling his students to do “whatever you want” haven’t you ever given this any thought? You and many people are pushing this “JKD is just a name do whatever you want” when Bruce himself was teaching and doing very specific things. Ever heard of the progressive weapons chart? If you haven’t you really should. It’s why JKD works. “The Progressive weapons chart is using the direct technique for the given distance and angle. Which makes it the most direct and therefore wastes the least time, which takes away the reaction time for the opponent” This is what makes JKD work.
Wing Chun is terrible im glad he attempted to grow past its limits. There is a few things that work but its been tried im the UFC by Anderson Silva & he just got smacked in the face & didnt do any damage back. 😅
@alantacher7145 Wow, what a completely ignorant and uneducated thing to say. You clearly either never studied Wing Chun by a skilled and qualified teacher or you were a very poor student that didn't put in the work. Wing Chun is a complete system, and extremely efficient, with no wasted movements and has the best economy of motion in any martial art, except maybe Arnis, Escrima, Kali, Penchak Silat who also have no-nonsense, no wasted movement. Using Wing Chun which is a street art, in a sports ring wearing huge boxing gloves, and being limited by rules and regulations is not how you judge Wing Chun. Also Anderson Silva may be a decent UFC fighter is, isn't considered a high level Wing Chun fighter. Just because he is famous on TV for UFC and that he also does Wing Chun on the side doesn't make him especially qualified to represent the system. You saying Wing Chun is terrible is like you holding a spoon in your hand and saying that spoons are terrible because you can't use it to cut your steak. I really despise idiots like you who comment about Marital Arts when you don't have a clue about what your even talking about.
@alantacher7145 Wing Chun is not terrible, but idiots like you who don't know the first thing about MA make stupid remarks because you don't know any better. If you ever trained properly with a qualified Wing Chun teacher who had a deep knowledge and skill level, you wouldn't make such ignorant remarks regarding Wing Chun
Did James Demile go to Bruce Lee's HS? I think it was a priest or clergy man that got Bruce into western boxing. ''In 1956, due to poor academic performance and possibly poor conduct, he was transferred to St. Francis Xavier's College, where he was mentored by Brother Edward Muss, F.M.S., a Bavarian-born teacher and coach of the school boxing team.'' I'm sure he learned something from James Demile and vise versa.
@@h.w.1579 lol. No they went to college in Seattle together, but you probably already read that somewhere. I am just going off of what James DeMile told me. And by boxing I mean western boxing. He adapted his punches to Wing Chun specifically based on how Jack Dempsey generated power in a short distance and maximizing the energy transfer through weight projection and body position. Let me know it there is anything else I can help you with.
James DeMile is well known for his BS...its also my understanding Bruce couldnt stand he left and created his own system and then attached his name to Bruce.
Thank you for keeping JKD alive and passing a proper appreciation of it on to the next generation.
Thank you for this fine presentation!!!
Glad it was helpful!
Very good points indeed!!! :)
Bruce Lee learned from many great martial artists before him. He studied them all in his research. That's why he is so great.
Lee was trained in boxing, between 1956 and 1958, by Brother Edward, coach of the St. Francis Xavier's College boxing team. Lee went on to win the Hong Kong Schools boxing tournament in 1958 while scoring knockdowns against the previous champion Gary Elms in the final. Bruce was a boxing enthusiast and a fan. of course he was going to study great boxers with great technique.
You can see boxing was totally different then, no ref, no 8 count when you get knocked down. This is a good comparison video. Ive just finished reading your book JKD in fighting where you talk about this in more detail
I thought I may be wrong but didnt Lee study boxing and compete a little in Hong Kong in boxing. You sure see some boxing in his fights.
It’s nice to see someone talking sense I’ve watched the video with Jim Driscoll and you can see Bruce Lee doing that punch
Driscoll was a boxer who influenced Bruce in his writing extensively and he was indeed using simplicity in boxing to evolve JKD beyond a Wing Chun base…The question then becomes in JKD did Bruce ultimately come to see Wing Chun as a FUNDAMENT and boxing as a SUPPLEMENT ? Or did Bruce see things like Boxing and fencing as challenging the idea that Wing Chun was the base of JKD because these other tools gave his art more PRACTICAL EFFICIENCY because they were more simple and direct . And also they were more in line with the progressive weapons chart and its realism in applying weapon to target. Ted Wong argued that even if JKD started with Wing Chun as its base fundament we do not end up with this. We evolve beyond it by discarding it like an apple core.
Eric Carr JKD doesn’t even know what the progressive weapons chart was until I told him earlier on 🤦♂️
He said “That progressive weapons chart maybe someone's pontification or complication of something that was meant to be simple. Or their way of organizing things for their own. And it's not important. I have stacks of notes given to me from first generation students. And I've worked with several of them.”
This is coming from a certified JKD instructor as well 🤦♂️
@@axelstone3131well the progressive weapons chart is sorting out in a coherent way what tools work for what different ranges and it’s just working out what is practical…I think mr. Carr in his dismissal may have misunderstood what the progressive weapons chart actually is. ..And his assertion that it makes simple things complex is actually reality around backwards which reveal that he hasn’t properly understood it….Because if one is sorting out what works best for different ranges this SIMPLIFIES. It doesn’t complexify. He’s misunderstood it’s relation to functionality and so spuriously dismisses it as ‘not important’ when in reality it is axiomatic.
@@walterevans2118 these guys are all the same. I already told John and Thomas about this and they both pretty much said the same thing. The guy is clueless, seems like a lot of JKD people are.
@@axelstone3131 well, I see a lot of Wing Chun as chasing hands without footwork mobility and it’s almost waiting for something to come in on you FIRST as an attack and then physically lock in to it to block or re direct it but the simpler by pass would be to intercept the INTENT of an attack before the physical motion of it is even off the starting blocks. That was what Tommy was always trying to achieve as the highest level of JKD…Tommy learned the WC but he simplified it and by passed it.
@@walterevans2118 yeh he took the same path Bruce did. I don’t know why other people struggle so much to move past it.
You can definitely see jkd in the movements strikes and timing
I SEE IT! great video 💪
I concur !
@1:10 What period was that for Bruce development? Was that Jan Fan Gung Fu or Jeet Kune Do?
Good video. Hope all is well man.
The real unknown teacher of Bruce Lee was his father's best friend living in Seattle Fook Yeung also friend of Yip Man. He did not want to be known as he didn't want to offend Yip. Bruce roomed with him on arrival to US. Fook was a red boat opera enforcer and played monkey king
Interesting information I'd belive it
Mr. Lee Jun Fan(Bruce Lee) was smart enough to take the great moves from the great fighters and put them all together to create a great system. 😏👍
No.
Jack Dempsey also
"I prefer fighting like a bear-cat."
- Someone probably.
A ‘bear cat’ ? What’s that ? A sort of YOGI - SYLVESTER ? 🤔🐈🐻
Ha! “Bear-cat” brawlers (in replying to Walter) were what Driscoll called untrained fighters who swung wildly instead of learning to punch straight.
@@JKDandWingChun Ah, pardon my ignorance....lol
Whatever..... There would not be JKD without Bruce Lee. We would not be here now talking about this without Bruce Lee. It's all about Bruce Lee.
Yes we wouldn't be talking about JKD at all if it weren't for Bruce but then JKD is an Art rather than something built around Bruce as a media figure.....Other practitioners can continue to refine his Art into the future.
Sorry to disagree but I think this point should be answered. It’s about what Bruce Lee studied…if we don’t know that, then we’re merely copying the man and not actually learning. To not understand Ip Man and Jim Driscoll especially is to miss the heart and soul of what Lee was doing. And if we do that we may as well go all the way and marry a woman named Linda, get a dog named Bobo, and name our kids Brandon and Shannon. It’s about truly understanding the key ideas and sources, not just copying the man. At any rate, thanks for watching.
@@JKDandWingChun Well , when you talk about copying Bruce one has to specify what is being copied of Bruce. Obviously we shouldn't rigidly copy his exact physical motion but we should copy the application of the economic principles he applied to make JKD more practically effective and efficient. I certainly wouldn't get a dog named Bobo or indeed marry a dog of ANY name. & I certainly wouldn't use Bruce's name to sell Whiskey products either. Bruce was a health fanatic & he only pretended to get p*ssed in the BIG BOSS. 🙃 ..Hang on, I can t get the rig ht sti cker o n
@@walterevans2118that’s always the reason isn’t it? “You’re just copying Bruce” well, if I want to gain attributes like Bruce it’s probably a good idea to look at what he actually did instead of what he said 🤷♂️
@@axelstone3131 well, when people see very economical movement they tend to perceive it as ‘copying Bruce’ but they shouldn’t be evaluating JKD by what it LOOKS LIKE but by how EFFICIENT it is.
Another boxing book that influenced Bruce’s thinking was Haislet’s book where Bruce would copy word for word Haislet’s passages while substituting his own single terms into the paragraphs….And also of course Jack Dempsey’s important book.
Absolutely! And that’s the thing, it surprises me that more JKD instructors don’t study boxing (and MMA) more seriously since Bruce obviously did.
@@JKDandWingChun Well Bruce's JKD was no restrictions on targets or weapons in life or death situations. I think they should study boxing but a lot of modern boxing doesn't have the same skill & body mechanics as the old school stuff of fighters like Ali,,,Frazier, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard..And the older fighters like Robinson, Dempsey, Grebb,,,Joe Louis, MMA isn't so good on the punching as specialist professional boxers (As MGregor found out against mayweather....Actually before he passed away in Pms LEO FONG was talking about the old school boxers. extensively with me. Miss Leo.
@@Lo60mktoo much philosophical babble that doesn’t equate to practical skill. Stop paying so much attention to what Bruce said and look at what he DID. Look at how he TRAINED. It’s not a style, but it has principles, its own footwork, body mechanics that MAKE It work. What you said is a cop out for people to take the name JKD and misrepresent Bruce’s martial art by not following the principles or training methodology. I can assure you it is very much a martial art based on thorough research and development into human biomechanics.
JKD works BECAUSE of the structure, because of the footwork, because of the stance, the body mechanics.
Bruce Lee wasn’t standing around talking a bunch of philosophy that has no practical real life application. He trained a practical, physical skill around 30 hours a weeks, hundreds of eye jabs, punches, kicks. Supplementary training for body mechanics, footwork, stabiliser muscles.
If people actually followed Bruce’s methods and principles, they could gain similar abilities but instead people like to overly philosophise a martial art about ending or stopping the situation as fast as possible.
And no, a lot of quotes like “absorb what is useful discard what is not” doesn’t even come from Bruce. It’s a Dan Inosanto quote, just like the quote at the front of the tao of JKD doesn’t say:
“This book is dedicated to the free, creative martial artist: "Research your own experience, absorb what is useful, reject what is useless and add what is essentially your own." - Bruce Lee
It just says:
“This book is dedicated to the free, creative martial artist: "Research your own experience sorb what is useful, reject what is useless and add what is essentially your own."
Because never said this, especially add what is specifically your own. Most people have NO IDEA what’s useless and what practical for them.
Bruce wasn’t teaching people a bunch of mixed stuff, he wasn’t telling his students to do “whatever you want” haven’t you ever given this any thought?
You and many people are pushing this “JKD is just a name do whatever you want” when Bruce himself was teaching and doing very specific things.
Ever heard of the progressive weapons chart? If you haven’t you really should. It’s why JKD works.
“The Progressive weapons chart is using the direct technique for the given distance and angle.
Which makes it the most direct and therefore wastes the least time, which takes away the reaction time for the opponent”
This is what makes JKD work.
@@JKDandWingChun Have you ever seen Jimmy Wilde fight?
This all sounds interesting, the sounds seems to have too much echo, editing it slightly might get a better quality explanation.
How about that Ryan Garcia Haney fight?
I was shocked, frankly. Didn’t see Garcia bouncing back like that.
@@JKDandWingChun The whole world was.
Wing Chun is terrible im glad he attempted to grow past its limits. There is a few things that work but its been tried im the UFC by Anderson Silva & he just got smacked in the face & didnt do any damage back. 😅
@alantacher7145 Wow, what a completely ignorant and uneducated thing to say. You clearly either never studied Wing Chun by a skilled and qualified teacher or you were a very poor student that didn't put in the work. Wing Chun is a complete system, and extremely efficient, with no wasted movements and has the best economy of motion in any martial art, except maybe Arnis, Escrima, Kali, Penchak Silat who also have no-nonsense, no wasted movement. Using Wing Chun which is a street art, in a sports ring wearing huge boxing gloves, and being limited by rules and regulations is not how you judge Wing Chun. Also Anderson Silva may be a decent UFC fighter is, isn't considered a high level Wing Chun fighter. Just because he is famous on TV for UFC and that he also does Wing Chun on the side doesn't make him especially qualified to represent the system. You saying Wing Chun is terrible is like you holding a spoon in your hand and saying that spoons are terrible because you can't use it to cut your steak. I really despise idiots like you who comment about Marital Arts when you don't have a clue about what your even talking about.
lol
@alantacher7145 Wing Chun is not terrible, but idiots like you who don't know the first thing about MA make stupid remarks because you don't know any better. If you ever trained properly with a qualified Wing Chun teacher who had a deep knowledge and skill level, you wouldn't make such ignorant remarks regarding Wing Chun
I thought you going talk his other wing chun teachers
Bruce Lee learned boxing from James Demile in the early 60’s.
Did James Demile go to Bruce Lee's HS? I think it was a priest or clergy man that got Bruce into western boxing. ''In 1956, due to poor academic performance and possibly poor conduct, he was transferred to St. Francis Xavier's College, where he was mentored by Brother Edward Muss, F.M.S., a Bavarian-born teacher and coach of the school boxing team.'' I'm sure he learned something from James Demile and vise versa.
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@@h.w.1579 lol. No they went to college in Seattle together, but you probably already read that somewhere. I am just going off of what James DeMile told me. And by boxing I mean western boxing. He adapted his punches to Wing Chun specifically based on how Jack Dempsey generated power in a short distance and maximizing the energy transfer through weight projection and body position. Let me know it there is anything else I can help you with.
James DeMile is well known for his BS...its also my understanding Bruce couldnt stand he left and created his own system and then attached his name to Bruce.
Not buying it!
The Wing Chun ?
Lol