John Little talking about Bruce Lee, his training and Gene Lebell lies
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2023
- John little talked about Bruce Lee’s training and the false information spread by Gene Lebell
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This was a solid interview. Looking forward to the rest.
Bruce Lee Forever ❤
It is great that Little had access to Bruce's diary & all that. But if you watch A WARRIORS JOURNEY , uncut GAME OF DEATH, they show his sign-in ledger. And it included Chuck Norris & other notaries. But when Chuck talks about it you would think it never happened. And a hard to get British doc. MARTIAL ART MASTER BL, Joe Lewis said he couldn't touch him, if he didn't want you too. But the biggest misconception is John saying Bruce wasn't interested in wrestling. At the beginning of ENTER THE DRAGON he puts Sammo Hung in the Fujiwara Armbar. And on the IRONSIDE episode with Gene L. , he does several wrestling and acrobatic judo moves. And E THE DRAGON & GAME OF DEATH. Also Jhoon Rhee said after starting with him, he would never fight him for real. There are many pictures of them sparring on rocks near the beach
It’s movies man. You’re misunderstanding John is saying Bruce wasn’t interested in exchanging blows or having a drawn out fight. He just wanted to end it. Yes, Chuck is in the diary. But gene isn’t. Tired of hearing about this guy and him getting so much credit when Bruce knee other people who did judo long before he came along. Where did you come from? All of a sudden I have all these random people commenting on this video. All these people commenting are amateurs. I know all this stuff. Why are you telling me?
That was for the films. Bruce knew what looked good in films, like to thought the nunchakus were a piece of crap (he told Dan Inosanto) but he knew they looked great in films. Check out his frustration with then in the Game of Death outtakes. What John Little is say is that Bruce Lee wouldn't want to go to the ground with a professional grappler. I don't blame him, who would, even if your were a professional yourself. You still want it over as quickly as possible. I positive a grappler would still punch first
@@axelstone3131 Dan inosanto said that he would spend hours practicing take-downs with him... so he was getting into it . Also there are pics on the set of Enter the dragon where he is doing a prefect arm-bar on John Saxon. Even the overly dramatized version ( for movie sake ) of submission in Enter the dragon scene shows that he was aware of take to ground to lock someone... so he was getting into it .... after all he was 33 only
@@zibtihaj3213 of course he was aware of grappling, his first student was a judo champion, he knew many people who grappled. how could he be “getting into it” when he already has training is judo, Japanese jujutsu and wrestling YEARS before making enter the dragon?
He’s done stuff on enter the dragon because he’s showing John stuff.
Bruce was interested in finishing the fight as fast as possible and striking, hitting someone is much faster than nothing else. This obsession with grappling has gotten ridiculous.
His anti grappling was so good nobody could get near him. You should pay more attention to stopping a grappler than actually trying to play grapple with a grappler.
Inosanto says a lot of things. Again I want to stress timeline here. Most people knew Bruce in the early to mid 60’s. They either didn’t stay in contact or didn’t follow his progression. Even gene labell doesn’t know Bruce’s progression. There is an interview with him basically saying he didn’t know grappling in 1966 when he actually did.
When most people talk about Bruce, they are NOT talking about Bruce Lee in the 70’s. It’s outdated information at best.
@@zibtihaj3213 32* almost 33. You should look into ifo JKD. See how they approach grappling and look at their anti grappling.
John Little is dropping facts here. It's so satisfying to see him unload on Gene LeBell. I don't understand the reverence so many people seem to hold him in. The guy was a con man who did hard prison time for a particularly nasty crime and has been exposed multiple times for fabricating stories about "beating" various famous people. After Viking Samurai busted him with his little Seagal fable and Gene himself said that Ronda "lousy" Rousey could beat Bruce, you have to be a fully indoctrinated MMA cultist to believe anything the guy said. I'm a bit disappointed that Little used Bob Wall as a source though. Bob was every bit as bad as Gene was, he was not an honest guy by any means.
He did say about Bob, and others trying to make themselves out to be better. But yeh, Bob wall full of shit also. No need to get into details. But yeh, a lot of backstabbers in regards Bruce. So many people claim the “finger jab doesn’t work” like certain people on RUclips, JKD concepts people don’t even train it. They literally train in a way Bruce wasn’t even for or doing himself. Accumulating all this unnecessary bullshit and never even doing the reps for the most effective techniques. No wonder they talk so much crap about it. They can’t even do it because they don’t train it.
@@axelstone3131 I think it'll come full circle for Bruce, I really do. A good analogy I think is how 10 or 15 years ago it was "popular" to dunk on Tom Cruise and act like he was the most lame actor ever and that he was some sort of weirdo. These days people have come back around for the most part and Tom Cruise is beloved once again and regularly hailed as "the last true movie star." I think Bruce will have a similar revival in popularity in the future. People just need time to get past trying to act like they're edgy, contrarian Quentin Tarantino clones.
@@MatrixCobretti John really need to go on the Joe rogan podcast. But Joe doesn’t even know who he is. He’s in such a small bubble and he’s not really interested in Bruce. He’s so indoctrinated by mma and his bubble of friends, like gene was he knew him that he just doesn’t think there’s another story to tell.
@@axelstone3131 It'd only be fair for him to do that. Explore both sides of the issue and all that. I'm sure it'd certainly help with public opinion.
@@MatrixCobretti rogan was always going on about gene and rousey was just as well. Clueless idiots. John if he went on the podcast should talk about Hayward Nishioki and educate Joe on people like him that Bruce actually did spend time with
My apologies but one more comment is I agree with John of the similarity’s between Bruce and Duran. Both are street fighters and are scientifically experts in fighting. Both have sharp looks a lot of energy and a freedom and confidence in being themselves that you rarely see with anybody.
Since you are a huge fan of Bruce: Click here on "newest comments". I posted something about a new podcast of John Little. Cheers.
Great interview. Totally agree with all said. Thanks for sharing. Subscribed.
Great news john Little is about to release a new book about bruce lees real fights bruce had its all in this book its a kick back or i shoud say a Bruce' lee straght lead to the mma guys that just call him an actor cant wait to buy this john had Bruce's fight diaries
That’s old news man. Found out about the book all the way back in may. Pre ordered it on may 11th.
Yeah just heard that!! Something like 30 fights going back to the first fight he got beat up in!!
@@kelvendyson1508 where did you hear about the book from? 30+ fights along with 20+ sparring fights
@@axelstone3131 I watch the kfg not all but most of his podcasts always talking about bruce and at the back of the book he the kung fu genius Alex rickter or something is his name he says on the back of the book that it's a most for bruce lee fans as it will shouth up the guys saying bruce was just an actor his last fight before wing chun he lost died un defeated Jim Kelly was world champion karate man and he said nobody comes close to bruce and Jim seen some good men bill Wallace joe Lewis legends .so I look forward it getting it I am waiting on the fighting method to arrive at the library should be there Friday hopefully give my last one to someone as a gift .
@@anthonycasey5269 can you please add some grammar to to your comments and correct some spelling. It’s hard to read what you are saying sometimes.
It was a brilliant, long winded rant! The best and most credible rant yet on Bruce Lee.
Weird comment. It’s like a compliment and slander all in one.
No slander. Near the end John Little made the comment that he himself was long winded. Just quoted what he said. Personally, I loved his long winded story on Bruce Lee. @@axelstone3131
Bruce was a guy who studied every aspect of his craft. He had many pictures and short videos made of himself training. He was an actor with many connections. Meaning that he had access to the best videography equipment at the time. Yet to date people will try to convince you that he has no recordings of himself in actual heavy sparring sessions... incredible. I hope the Bruce Lee estate will one day release those videos. I know they exists because if I was a man as obsessed about fighting as Bruce was I would have made tons of footage to observe myself in unscripted motion against another man. Yet we his fans have never seen one such video. Not one. What are the chances of that? We need to ask John what's up with that? After all he had exclusive access to some of Bruce Lee archive. I underscore SOME
Bruce didn’t like to show the real stuff. Even the things you saw in his movies was for the movies 95% of the time.
He was secretive regarding his martial art. It’s what gave him the edge.
Oh sh*t it's Supernatural's Lucifer!! 😮
I’m glad Mr. Little mentioned that Chuck Norris was the point fighting Champion. For decades it is still believed the Chuck Norris was the Middleweight Kickboxing Champion. He was not. Bill Wallace was the Middleweight Kickboxing Champion. Jeff Smith was the Light-Heavyweight Champion. Joe Lewis was the Heavyweight Champion and Benny Urquidez was the lightweight champion. Chuck did beat Bill and Joe in point fighting but he never competed in full contact karate. This does not take away anything of Chuck Norris great accomplishments in martial arts it’s just a fact. Awesome podcast
That's definately the truth, yes. But nowadays there is a kind of glorification of point karate on the way. Here on YT is a guy named "Martial Arts Madness" who uploads videos like "Chuck Norris vs Gung Fu in full contact fight", and stuff like that, and that s simply a lie. Sure some times ppl got hurt in point karate, but this wasnt standard. Outscoring by almost-non-contact was the primary thing.
About your list:
I go with Wallace and Urquidez as legit kickbox world champions, but i have my doubts with Lewis. Not long ago there was a video uploaded named "Actor who challenged Earnier Shavers", and its about the pro boxer and former kickboxer Randall "Tex" Cobb, who fought Shavers and George Foreman.
In the beginning, the narrator says: "In 1980, Cobb won the first real kickboxing world tournament".
Wallace and Lewis fought in 1980 in world championship fights, Bill won his fight and Joe lost his fight.
Yes Joe held wome "world champion" titles from 1970 to 1980, but they were most probably not really "legit".
The pro boxer Eric "Butterbean" Esch held the IBA world title for a time, but in boxing the four major belts are WBC, WBA, IBF and WBO. Butterbean never held one of them.
My point is this:
If the first real world tournament in kickboxing was held in 1980, it seems those "world champoin" titles in the 70s hadnt too much value. You must see kickboxing was founded in 1970 with Lewis vs Greg Baines.
And the PKA was founded in 1974. Lewis held the PKA title since 1974, but if something is just founded, usually the competition isnt that great as in later years.
So it is very possible the title Lewis held from 1970 to 1980 was as much worth as Butterbean's IBA title.
I dont know why the short documentary should made that up, "the first real world kickboxing tournament was held in 1980". This means the world champions from 1970 to 1990 were "world champions", but not with the same value as the guys who became world champion in 1980 or later.
@@chrisbach1533 Weather an organization is in its pioneering phase and the competition is not world class level. Joe still won the title and defended it. He fought and beat the best that they had in his era. It’s like stating the WBC was founded in 1963 but the boxers who won the titles in that year shouldn’t be recognized as legit world champions until the organization has lasted a certain amount of years. Sean O Grady won the WBA boxing title from Hilmer Kenty in 1981. But was stripped of the title. His father then created the WAA organization and Sean fought Andy Ganigan for the vacant title which was aired by CBS. Ganigan knocked out Sean in the 2nd round. And was declared the new champion. The father later dissolved the organization. Ganigan’s ratings in the WBC shot to number 1 and earned a title shot against Alexis Arguello. Andy dropped Alexis in the 1st round and later hurt him again in the 3rd. But was ko’d in the 5th. The ing Magazine record book still recognizes the bout between O Grady and Ganigan as a title fight even though the organization was short lived. We in Hawaii recognize Andy as a legitimate World Boxing Champion at one time. He defeated a very good boxer who held a world title. My point is Joe Lewis beat a lot of good fighters in his time during full contact Karate in its pioneering days. I saw him fight here in Hawaii in 77. He knocked out a Marine Sargent Ron Clay in his first bout but lost to Teddy Limoz Sr. In his 2nd bout. But put up a good fight. No quit in him. I may be bias in my statement because I respect for help making kickboxing what it is today and was a fan of the Great Joe Lewis. Mahalo for your comment. Keep training. And aloha.
@@TheDharuma Good post :)! My point wasnt about how great Lewis was. He was definatly among the best of the best in his days, and also beat high caliber guys.
But the difference your point with Boxing. Sure, the WBC was founded in 1963, but the sport of boxing under Marques of Queensburry rules existed already since almost 100 years. So the WBC definatly was legit the time it was founded.
But Kickboxing in America was basically founded in 1970, and in the first years Lewis held the USKA heavyweight title. From 1974 to 1975 he held the PKA world heavyweight title, the PKA was founded in 1974, so basically it was a new thing.
When the UFC was founded in 1993, i think we can say fore sure the competition in the first years wasnt that great. Royce, K. Shamrock or Gordeau were really good, but guys like Teila Tuli wasnt. The competition in the UFC since Dana took over in 2004 became much much bigger. The value of the UFC title wasnt the same as today.
But Lewis fought and beat the best in his time, i dont doubt that. Its only about the value of his PKA and especially USKA title. Butterbean also fought a Mike-Tyson-Opponent named Peter McNeeley, and Butterbean and Tyson just destroyed McNeeley. But the IBA title was never the same as WBC/WBA/IBF and today WBO too.
But so or so we can say the point karate from the 60s wasnt really something special. And i can undertand Lee 100% why he wasnt interested in competing there. When Norris and Bob Wall always say/said they were world champions, they never say they were world champions in almost-non-contact.
And yeah Mahalo for your comment too :)!
Hey Axel, i want to ask you something: You and IFO JKD Instructor Thomas Marx spoke about a "Lee historian from the UK", you called him "the other guy from UK" (since Tommy Carruthers is from the UK too). Who is this Historian from UK? Steve Kerridge? Its only a guess, because i know he does Muay Thai and other styles...
I don’t remember saying that. There was a guy that comes to mind. But I can remember his name and he’s not been active for a long time
Maybe i am mistaken, if so sorry. But i think it was in Thomas' podcast when he spoke about John Little's interview here. At some point he was reading live comments, and one guy mentioned this Lee-Historian from UK, and i thought it was you. But maybe it was someone else.
I do respect the work of Steve K. very much. He brought up some great books and has done a great work and research. But as far as i know, he isnt so much into OJKD more like Concepts, but i am not sure. And he works some times together with David Tadman, and this guy lost all his credibility for some actions in the past.
Gotta exposed all those trash talker & haters on Bruce Lee after all his left over hard works
The trash talkers are idiots.
Great interview. Thank you Mr. Little.
Hi there, i chose your channel again since it’s more private. I dont want to share this at any place. We discussed a bit about John s new book about Bruce s fights. I got it yesterday and was able to read the most important parts. I would like to make some comments:
Of course it’s from A-Z a great read and finally someone put his fights and sparrings together. And i can’t give him enough credit for it.
But what i didndt know when we discussed about 3-4 weeks ago was how much John is into Wing Chun. I completely forgot he did a doc about Wong Shunleung in 2016 with David Petersen.
After reading the book i have to say you were right a couple weeks ago! I dont know how many times, but when you take look in the index in the end, he mentioned Shunleung and Yip Man countless times, i dont know how often, but more then anyone else.
Instead of going more into the lies of Gene LeBell, he only menions one quote from Gene which was positive, but not one word about all the holes in his story about taking Bruce over his shoulder, or trained secretly with him.
Long story short: I understand why you doubt Mito Uyehara told John he made all these claims up in „The incomparable Fighter“. It doesn’t make much sense.
And in my humble opinion, John is simply too much into Wing Chun after his work on the documentary. If you read „Wrath of the Dragon: The real fights of Bruce Lee“, it’s also like a homage to Wing Chun, Wong Shunleung and Yip Man.
I mean he portrays it like Shunleung was maybe after Bruce the second best street fighter on the planet, which is imo laughable! Yes he was the best fighter of Yip s school, and yes he defeated anyone he ever faced, but there is also one fight reported on his Wiki page that he lost, but John says there is no source.
So or so when you read Shunleung’s words about Boxing, Wrestling etc., it’s obvious he never had any kind of experience sparring or fighting world class Boxers or Grapplers, contrary to Bruce. Here you can read them all:
en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Wong_Shun-leung
Read the spots about Boxing, Grappling etc.. He never sparred or fought a world class Boxer like Joey Orbillo or Judoka like Haward Nishioka. That s for sure, you can read it in his statements. It’s all theory but not pratical.
Even if it’s not important and only an example, but John seems a bit caught up in old traditions, like so many ppl in martial arts are, still spelling the name „Wong Shun Leung“, when Wikipedia and other professional organizations recommend to spell the given name either Shun-leung (allowed) or Shunleung (recommended). It’s one name not two, and we in the west in latin alphabet, a given name is never split in two pieces.
This just underlines a bit John being caught up in old traditions. And he also should have mentioned in the beginning he uses the name order of China, Japan, Korea, Vietnam etc., family name preceeding given name. I think many dont know that.
The LeBell lie was spread on the Rogan podcast, which is the biggest podcast in the world i guess. John mentions how Chuck Norris, Bob Wall etc. telling people in american TV shows they were real fighters and Bruce only an actor.
Same he did with Eddie Bravo. Yes he also spoke positive about Bruce. But he also said things wich are 100% not true, like Bruce lost to DeMile, Glover etc. and added Judo etc. in his arsenal.
And about John s passion for Wing Chun:
See man i like Alex Richter s podcast very much and he is a good guy. But now i saw more video s of his Hong Kong trip. Among the people who were with him there was indeed the Wing Tsun (WT) Sifu Keith Ronald Kernspecht, and i am a bit surprised.
Keith was the man who brought Wing Chun to Germany in the 70s. He also met Glover and Ed Hart. His Sifu was Leung Ting, and his student was Emin Boztepe. But i never expected to see him there.
You must know Keith has a video on his German YT channel when he also says Bruce never rejected Wing Chun. He only stopped to teach it because he was so superior and couldnt find any proper opponents in the USA or something like that.
So for guys like Alex, Keith etc. who are deep in Wing Chun, John did them a great favour in his book that s for sure.
I mean even if he said Uyehara made that all up, it doesnt change the fact Leo Fong, Ted Wong and Daniel „Dan“ Lee made similar comments.
But so or so people in the Tommy-Carruthers-Lineage cant really recommend „Wrat of the Dragon - The real fights of Bruce Lee“ to anyone, because it’s 100% against their teachings.
I agree. He’s biased towards wing chun. I really noticed when kfg interviewed him about the book. It was a disappointing interview. I haven’t finished the book but even in that I saw a lot of wing chun this and wing chun that, most of his fights he used wing chun, apparently. I unsubbed from kfg. I think he’s a prick. I’ve been subbed to his channel for a while now, a few years, and he’s said a few snarky and condescending replies to me at times. Yesterday I basically had it out with some moron calling himself “viper” JKD. He’s basically a concepts guy. It’s complete bullshit. “Viper” JKD. There is just JKD. He’s always doing stupid thinks like gesturing his hands like a snake then going into the punch back with a wing chun chain punch. He wears sunglasses inside and every single video he comments about how his uses “lop-sao” or some other wing chun technique. He’s always going on and on about what some useless bs he does himself and I feel he misrepresents what JKD is. These guys don’t even come close to Tommy Carruthers, and they can’t and won’t ever reach his level or Bruce’s level because they ignore fundamental principles and training methods Bruce himself did. They are so caught up on wing chun and stuck there. They can’t move past it. There is no direct, simple or economic movement from any of them. All they say is “you are copying Bruce” because they can’t do it themselves. Well, whatever Bruce taught and did didn’t look like anything they are doing and then they slap JKD on it. It’s bullshit.
Kfg came along in the comment thread and defended him, saying I was trying to cause a virtual fight, then I said I wasn’t and then he said essentially that I was an armchair warrior or some shit. He didn’t use the word but regardless. Then I told him I’ve had enough of the shit he’s said to me over the years, always has snarky things to say. He has his head up his ass. Clearly had rich parents that’s why he was able to go to Germany and learn from lueng ting when he was younger. He’s big headed. Likes to present himself as a well balanced, thoughtful person but the dude is just an asshole. Some of his opinions and thought process I find incredibly irritating. Claims he isn’t bothered about things but then goes on about them. Another thing.
I don’t believe he can fight so save his life. Sure, he might be a good teacher. Maybe has good theory. But I never once thought he could really defend himself if the shit hit the fan from the first time I saw his channel. He doesn’t have it. The killer instinct. I think he’s soft. He isn’t someone like Bruce who would just go through someone. Kfg is an asshole. He seems nice enough but once you’ve exchanged enough comments with him you start to see the sort of person he really is. He can be an incredibly condescending and offensive person. Seems like he has an inner bitch inside him and no matter how much wing chun he does he’s never going to get rid of that.
I don’t think he’s ever actually been in a fight where’s he’s had to defend himself.
I muted him after I said about the things he said to me. I don’t care for him to say crap to me when he doesn’t know me, and thinks he does based on a RUclips comment. I unsubbed also. I don’t think he really understands JKD and he’s also said negative things about Tommy before. He’s biased. Like he claimed JKD is just a long range form of wing chun in that episode. It’s bs. That’s not wing chun. It seemed everything Bruce ended up doing later on has next to nothing in common with wing chun. All the evidence points towards him going a different direction but people like him keep trying to say it’s just a variation of wing chun.
I think they are all stuck. Bruce seems to be the only one who could get out of being indoctrinated by wing chun or mixing different arts.
Anyway. I’m done with him. Like I said he tried to come across like a nice balanced guy, but he always comes back with snarky, condescending comments. He was basically a rich kid and had the opportunity to do what he wanted that most people never get. He’s also never had any serious medical issues or set backs, which I have had. So I don’t appreciate the shit he has said to me at times. Kfg lived in his own little bubble, but then I guess the same could be said for most of us.
The wing chun stuff from John, the book, and KFG interpretation of it all has soured my interest. I find all the wing chun stuff boring now. I’ve seen Tommy’s approach and then a wing chun approach by him. JKD is significant more efficient, simple and faster. It’s just the truth.
Thx very much for your detailed reply! I think i saw this Viper guy before. Maybe i am wrong, but years ago he had a channel here doing Wing Chun and JKD in Texas. I cant remember the channel s name, maybe it was "Texas JKD" or something, but maybe i am confusing him with someone else.
About Alex: Yes man...unfortunatly i have to agree with you at least about certin things. I dont kow him well enough, i think all in all he is a good guy, a good family man etc., and in private life i am sure he can be very cool. But at least in his professional life (Wing Tsun Instructor) he is like you said, i also noticed it a couple of times. Not in replies to me but others.
I thought, even if he never said it directly, he wouldnt have much contact with Keith, Emin and Ting anymore, i mean with all three. But i was really stunned seing Keith with him in Hong Kong. Of course its still possible he isnt on good terms with Ting and/or Emin anymore, i dont know. But he never said in a video "i am still in good contact with Sfiu Kernspecht" (at least i cant remember, maybe he did), because you must know many people even in the Wing Chun world are sceptical towards him.
BTW Thomas Marx also posted below a clip of Keith when he spoke in German about Bruce was still using Wing Chun, Thomas pointed out some of Bruce s quotes towards Mito, Dan Lee and Leo Fong. But of course John s book is no perfect to counter anyone who said says so.
And of course they are stucked. You couldnt be more right! My little example with the name convention even underlines it. I am a nostalgic through and through, but some things evolve for the better, like Bruce s Wing Chun to Jeet Kune Do, but also romanization of names, they are today much better as 50-80 yrs ago.
Long story short: In the latin alphabet, we dont seperate a given name in two pieces, we spell it together because it s one name. In China and Korea, generation name + personal name = given name, basically Shun+Leung=Shunleung, or Jack+Man=Jackman, or Jun+Fan=Junfan.
Thats the way it is. But not just just John, but Alex and so many other fanatical and caught up in traditions people refuse it. I mean read the reviews of John s book on Amazon. Someone wrote:
"...Joe Lewis and Wong Shun Leung"..."when Bruce outshided Lewis and Leung".
Well, this would have happened if the name was spelled as Shunleung, i mean just writing "Lewis and Leung". The old methods are only confusing, but they stick to it. Like they stick to their classical Wing Chun.
Other example: They all completely hate mainland China and the mandarin chinese. There is a Wing Chun guy named Tu Tengyao. He is skilled, but Alex and Hong Kong guys say he can only do movie stuff and isnt good.
Well, its because he is a mainland Chinese and doesnt come from Hong Kong.
Or how Alex is so obsessed to speak anything in cantonese. Even people who are known in their mandarin spelling. Kung Fu Master Huo Yuanjia for example, he isnt known under his cantonese spelling Fok Yuengap, but Alex always calls him Fok Yuengap.
Or look the current top Boxer Zhang Zhilei. For the first time in History a Chinese boxer is a top 5 Heavyweight Contender. He defeated Briton Joe Joyce twice in a row. Zhilei is a behemogh, 6'6"=198cm / 287lbs=130kg, and he can box.
Legendary boxing promoter Bob Arum, who promoted Muhammad Ali in 1966, said he wants Zhilei to fight in Hong Kong or Macau.
Well, the Hong Kong people dont like him when i read comments, they are close to Taiwan and Macao. And a Taiwaese ment on RUclips he hopes Joyce wins, because he cant stand a mainland chinese to win.
It makes no sense. This cantonese vs mandarin BS is so cheap. But the Wing Chun guys are deep into it. When Alex did a podcast about my subject the Lee movie characters fighting each other, i mentioned Mr. Mi who was potrayed by Han Yingchieh. I know in cantonese its Hon Yingit (Bey Logan wrote me that once), and Alex said nobody knows him as Han Yingchieh. Well, but his Wiki article lists him as that, and most sources do too.
Same with Wong Feihung. He wasnt even from Hong Kong but Foshan, and both dialects gets spoken there. His mandarin name is Huang Feihong, but the Kung Fu movie fanatics always spell him cantonese, Wong Feihung. They are all very stubborn about traditions. You should know both versions of his name since as far as i know he spoke both.
But to change Huo Yuanjia to Fok Yuengap is really strange and makes no sense. The WC ppl do it since they dont like mandarin and mainland China, like they dont like Tu Tengyao.
@@chrisbach1533 I’m not to bothered about the spelling stuff. It doesn’t really mean much to me, but regarding kfg and John, they are all just fixated on wing chun. The viper guy I assumed was actually from Europe somewhere. But from what I’ve seen he’s not really any good. Was it Bruce who said most wing chun outside of Hong Kong is shit? Someone said it I’m sure. Regardless. I guess Bruce kept things close to his chest, wasn’t interested in tradition. Only cares about what worked. That was his whole approach. It’s strange seeing all these guys so stuck in there ways, it strange guys saying they do JKD but mix it with tae kwon do or must thai.. I just scratch my head and think… huh?. It doesnf make any sense. Never mind I guess
Your reply was very fast. :)
If possible please read my last post again. I wrote a bit more in the last 10 minutes.
@@chrisbach1533 in my personal life, I am used to being ignored and not replied to and I don’t like it. I did read all your comment though.
Great interview, guys. Matthew Polly wrote that Gene picked up Bruce and carried him one time on the set of The Green Hornet joking around and Bruce threatened to kill him if he put him down.
Nobody else corroborates that story.
@@axelstone3131 Admittedly, I have no way of telling if it's true or not, but Matthew has interviewed several of Bruce's friends, family members, acquaintances, and some who worked with Bruce on the set. Question is : How do we know it's not true?
@@Quantum3691 those same people have been interviewed before and never claimed it happened. Regardless, Bruce didn’t have eyes on the back of his head and it’s been confirmed there’s no evidence supporting gene’s story of training with him. Why would he anyway. Bruce was already learning judo from 2 to 3 other people as well and Japanese ju-jitsu from Wally Jay.
@@axelstone3131 What is known is that Gene played a stunt man on the set of TGH and him and Bruce practiced the choreographed stunts for some of the episode fight scenes. Bruce was known to exchange martial art ideas with colleagues and knowing Gene was a judo black belt, Bruce picked his brains also. Why wouldn't he? Bruce was always developing and refining his own art and experimenting with various techniques from various traditional martial arts to incorporate into JKD. So, I find it hard to believe he and Gene did not share ideas or even worked out together at some point.
@@Quantum3691 a lot of false information there. Whilst Bruce did cross train. He incorporated very, very little into JKD. He didn’t do mixed martial arts. JKD isn’t mixed martial arts. If you know your history you will know Bruce had students who tried mixing what he was teaching them with other stuff. He told them to stop doing that. His famous “ x y z” letter highlights this. A lot of misinformation has been pushed since he died. He never studied Muay Thai, he never studied Karate or Kali of any of those things. JKD concepts isn’t a thing from Bruce. It was developed after he died because Inosanto couldn’t do what Bruce did or tried to teach him. He’s a technique collector. You are better are getting good at a few things that mixing a bunch of crap together, that are all structurally very different and hoping you can somehow “make it work” that’s very unscientific and that’s not Bruce Lee was doing or what he taught. Everything about JKD is as simple and direct as it can be. The mma approach is all wrong. Boxing or Muay Thai for stand up, and a completely separate system for ground fighting. It’s ridiculous. Bruce didn’t do that, nor did he believe it was necessary. Why would you need multiple different teachers in the same art? You don’t need to know a to b of a system. You can only learnt so much. There was nothing gene wouldn’t have shown him he didn’t already know. We’re talking 1967 at this point. Bruce has already studied numerous different things. Gene has nothing to offer. The JKD narrative is false. It wasn’t a blend of martial arts. Bruce didn’t train with everyone and everything. Bruce was doing high kicks long before Chuck Norris supposedly “taught him” he even does them in his tv audition. Years before they even met. Bruce trained with a select few people, and whatever he picked up he used very little of it or thought most of it wasn’t of any use to him. What is known is he found boxing, judo, fencing structure and footwork useful. Considering he didn’t finish the wing chun system, his application of it and understanding was considered to be very, very good. Bruce trained in other arts to find theirs weakness so he could exploit them and figure out how to beat them. Not to necessarily use them.
“The best fighter is not a Boxer, Karate or Judo man. The best fighter is someone who can adapt on any style. He kicks too good for a Boxer, throws too good for a Karate man, and punches too good for a Judo man”
He wasn’t about fighting people at their own game as this quote of his illustrates.
People have the wrong approach today. They think you need to train all these different systems and ground fighting to be a “complete” fighter. It’s bullshit. Bruce didn’t believe that and he certainly didn’t train that way. Truth is, you get into a grappling match in the street you’ve already failed. Bruce was a lot better snd a lot more gifted than people like gene. If anything he had more to show them then they did to show him.
And something else about the "World Champoins" in Point Karate but also Kickboxing (Chuck Norris etc.):
Something in general about Point Karate (not about Lee, only in general). Here are some fight records compared to professional Boxers and Muay Thai fighters:
Sam Langford (Boxer): 314 fights
Saenchai (Muay Thai): 378 fights
Skipper Mullins (Point Karate): 1115 fights
I am not absolute sure, but i think Langford and Saenchai are among the fighters with the most bouts across all full contact combat sports. I couldnt find anyone in Boxing or Muay Thai with 400 bouts and more.
This should underline how "dangerous" Point Karate is compared to Boxing or Muay Thai. Langford and Saenchai togehter had 692 fights. Mullin's doesnt double that, but over 1100 fights just shows how much damage your body takes in Point Karate.
World Champion in Point Karate doesnt make someone a tough guy, a skilled guy in a certain skill contest yes, but not tough or relevant to full contact combat sport or street fights (only adressed to the milenium kids on YT who always claim "Chuck Norris was a real fighter").
Kenpo Karate founder Ed Parker Senior’s record as „fighter“ is 0-0-0. Still he is regarded a martial arts legend, great MA Instructor, and very effective street fighter. Not one of the Point Karate Champions from back in the day ever challenged his status or challenged him.
Parker Sr. about Point Karate:
„Tournament Karate is not full contact Karate. The idea is to execute a Karate technique with full control. You win matches by outscoring your opponent, not by killing them.“
ruclips.net/video/f-3ZyQBCIUo/видео.html
This should underline the Point Karate Champions like Norris, Moore etc. never executed their strikes with full power, and the goal was to outscore the opponent, not by hurting them. And it underlines Point Karate wasn’t full contact, so Norris etc. were never full contact fighters.
Take a look at (full) professional Soccer player Pelé (1940-2022), who was born the same year as Norris and Lee. During the 1960s he was badly injured many times and had to take longer breaks to recover. Back in the day yellow and red cards didn’t exist, and you could attack opponents very hard. Pelé suffered many leg injuries through heavy kicks to his legs. Compare his injury list with Point Karate Fighters. Pelé was much more injured as them, even if he was a Soccer player and not a combat sport fighter.
I go even further:
A couple weeks ago a new video was uploaded about former Pro Boxer Randall "Tex" Cobb. He fought George Foreman once but also Earnie Shavers.
In the beginning of the clip, the narrator says Cobb won 1980 the FIRST world tournament in kickboxing.
ruclips.net/video/3gQtAaeRxhw/видео.html
So if this is true (i cant check it out), then even American Kickboxers like Joe Lewis, Bill Wallace etc. were never real World Champions. At least not in the 70s when they had their prime.
This is an excellent, and totally factual, analogy! Thanks for posting!
Thx! Just a list of facts and questions. I am not saying Lee was invincible, nobody is. But today too many (i guess younger) people are getting confused by all the lies from Norris, Lewis, LeBell, Joe Rogan and others, the others side of the pancake gets ignored by them.
I gonna add some things:
- Famous quotes by Lee how he judged himself in street fights:
„Look at my small hands. Muhammad Ali would kill me“.
Interview with Pierre Berton:
Berton: „Can you break boards with your hand and feet?“
Lee: „I would probably break my hand and feet.“
PS: There are video clips of him breaking boards with ease. This underlines he wasn’t always serious.
When he had a dinner with Senator John Tunney, the son of former Heavyweight Champion Gene Tunney (ranked by Boxing Trainer Teddy Atlas as Nr. 5 Heawyweight of all time in his podcast), J. Tunney asked Lee if he thinks he could beat his father. Lee replied: „To tell you the truth I could beat anyone in the world. Of course, if I sat still and your father hit me, forget it. The question is, could he ever get close to me?.“
- In the past few years, many people are making claims Lee was either just an actor, or he „never fought professoionally“, or the Point Karate Fighters (Chuck Norris, Mike Stone, Skipper Mullins, Jim Kelly, Louis Deldado, Vic Moore, Joe Lewis, etc.) were either on the same level as him or even superior to him. Fact is all these claims came mostly in the past 10 years (around 2010 to present). Here you have to consider two very important things:
1) Black Belt Magazine founder Mitoshi „Mito“ Uyehara told Lee historian John Little he knew and saw all martial artists from back in the day in the USA, and Lee was a level above all of them. Not one of them challanged Uyehara’s view during the time he was still alive.
2) All documents from that day clearly underline Uyehara’s statement. There is no written material, be it in a magazine, paper, etc., which states they were superior to Lee or on his level. To the contrary. But yet many young people buy the things which people like Vic Moore, Gene LeBell etc. told many years later. In early 2023, Moore even made a statement on The Viking Samurai RUclips channel, that he defeated Lee in a secret Sparring match. A witness from that tournament in Longbeach 1967, Karate Master Chuck Sullivan, told host Viking Samurai he was there, and Moore didnt throw any punches at Lee what Moore claims.
3) All Greats in Los Angeles from back in the day, be it Hollywood movie people like Steve McQueen, James Coburn, Stirling Silliphant (screenwriter and producer who wrote „Over The Top“ with Sylvester Stallone in 1987), but also Sport stars like Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (best Basketball player in his day, to this day among the top 5 players ever, only behind Michael Jordan and LeBron James), they all were only interested in taking martial arts lesson from Bruce Lee, not from Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis or anyone else.
Fact is McQueen only became a student from Norris after Lee left for Hong Kong in 1971, not before! But Mr. Norris to this day never has the honesty to admit that. And McQueen only became his students after Lee, when he moved to Hong Kong in the fall 1971, told McQueen he should go to Norris since he is very good.
It’s up to you what you want to believe. Accounts from back in the day when all the things took place, or accounts from 40-50 years later, when most witnesses are already passed away.
Undeniabel fact and not to deny from anyone:
During the time Junfan Bruce Lee was still alive, there was NOBODY from these people i just mentioned who had the guts to challange him, or beat him up, or what ever. All these claims to put him down came decades after he was gone.
Here a scene from the documentary „Bruce Lee: A Warrior’s Journey“ (2000), when Lee himself reads from a paper (Sport Week of the Washington Star, Aug 16, 1970). The paper stated he handled these Point Karate Champions like a fahter his child:
ruclips.net/video/1X2byotY220/видео.html
But unfortunately today his daughter Shannon Heungying Emery Lee-Keasler (Li Xiangning) isn’t as determined as his widow Linda Lee-Cadwell was in the 80’s, 90’s, etc.. Bob Wall spoke in the late 1980s with scandal journalist Albert Goldman, a journalist who made his living in putting deceased ViPs down, like Elivs and John Lennon.
After Wall did it, Lee Estate Lawyer Adrian Marshall (who was according to Tom Bleecker „Unsettled Matters“ Cadwell’s lover for 10 years) showed up at Wall’s office. He put down a business card from former professional Heavyweight Boxer Joey Orbillo on Wall’s desk, telling him Orbillo send him a message: If he doesnt stop to spread false stories and lies about Lee, he (Orbillo) will punch his (Wall’s) face in.
Wall seemed to be afraid and backed down, stated he never spoke with Goldman. But Goldman had his signature. (You can find all of this here, source is former Lee historian George Tan:
ruclips.net/video/QZ4ZRNdIPjA/видео.html )
Wall never did it again, but today (2023) Shannon doesnt care if people are spreading lies about her dad or not.
Even after the 2017 (fictional) movie „Birth of the Dragon“, which completely falsefied Lee’s fight with Wong Jackman in 1964, Lee-Cadwell published a video explaining the details about this encounter again to challenge the portrayal in this movie. The producers, actors and directors of the movie never presented a counter to her video.
Final point: From all the training partners of Lee, be it Joe Lewis, Mike Stone, Chuck Norris, Louis Delgado, Joey Orbillo, Jim Kelly, Bob Wall, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Steve McQueen, James Coburn, etc., only one was a full-time profssional fighter, and that’s the Boxer Orbillo. All the point Karate fighters were half-time semi-professoinals fighters, not full-time professional fighters.
And this Orbillo, who was Lewis‘ boxing coach and KO’ed him with a kidney punch, had a very high opinion about Lee, but not so much about the others.
- Many critics say Lee never archived a Black Belt in any style, which proves he wasn’t a great martial artist or (street) fighter at all. Fact is the colored belt system is based in Japan. The Judo Founder Kano Jigoro introduced it. He saw that Japanese competitive swimmers wore colored ribbons to denote rank and was inspired to utilize colored belts as a way of indicating gup and dan levels. As the systems spread to other martial arts, different schools changed and added belt colors to suit their needs.
This isnt comon in many chinese styles, or at least it wasn’t during that time. Lee never used colored belts for his styles. If he did, he would have been a 10th degree (highest rank) in Jeet Kune Do and Jun Fan Gung Fu, since he is the founder of these styles.
And also important:
Wing Chun usually teaches the most practical and important things to learn fighting as fast as possible in the beginning, not in the end. While other styles go from white to black belt (usually white, yellow, orange, green, blue, purple, brown, black, you can say Wing Chun goes from black to white. So hypotehtical if the old Wing Chun from Lee’s days would have used a belt system, Lee would have been a black, brown, purple and blue belt, and only missed the green, orange, yellow and white belts.
PS: Black is basically a 1st degree black belt. And the highest rank is usually 10th degree black belt. And most styles are using other colors for 7th, 8th, 9th and 10th degree. Judo uses red as 10th degree black, Brazilian Jiu Jitsu uses red as 9th and 10th degree, Okinawa Karate once used gold for 10th degree black.
And since he spend so many hours training with black or brown belts in Judo (Jesse Glover, Hayward Nishioka, and maybe Gene LeBell [which is questionable]), Jiu Jitsu (Wally Jay), Karate (Ed Parker Sr., Joe Lewis, Jim Kelly, Mike Stone, Chuck Norris, etc.), Escrima (Dan Inosanto), you can be sure he had at least a level like orange, green or even blue belt in some of these styles.
But he was never interested in colored belts. So when critics are judging everything on colored belts, then any practitioner of chinese martial arts from back in the day, be it Wing Chun, Choy Li Fut, Hung Gar Kuen, etc., they all would be fakes. That’s like saying because a World Class Greco-Roman Wrestler has no black belt he can’t be good.
- Many people always claim "Bruce Lee was just an actor", while others were "professional fighters", etc. Here an explanation about Lee‘s professions during his life as an adult:
A) What is a Professional Fighter?
Here you have to seperate between professional and semi-professional.
Professional:
It is someone who makes his living through fighting in competition. And i mean he does it as a full time job, he doenst need to do anything else, he gains enough money to make a living from it.
In professional Boxing you gain so much money you dont need to do something else.
In MMA most likely too. All UFC Fighters are professional fighters like Boxer´s are too. Boxer´s gain the most money from all, look at Floyd Mayweather, or Tyson Fury, or back then Muhammad Ali, Joe Frazier, George Foreman, Mike Tyson, they all made a living through Boxing.
Semi-Professional:
It is someone who does fighting in competition as second job. He doesnt gain enough money with it and needs to have an other job. Most likely his main profession is something else. That s what Norris, Lewis, Stone etc. did back in the 60s.
Conclusion:
The only professional fighters (=full-time fighters) in the 1960’s in the USA were Boxers, like Muhammad Ali, Floyd Patterson, Sonny Listen, and others. The Piont Karate Champions like Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis, Mike Stone, Jim Kelly, Louis Delgado were all semi-professional fighters.
They didnt gain enough money through their combat sport career to live from it, so they usually had either other semi-professions or a main profession. Norris for example was main professionaly a martial arts instructor, same as Lee was most of his time. Same was Joe Lewis. Bob Wall was a semi-professional fighter and worked main professionaly as business man for Norris and his Karate Dojos.
But Norris and others always claim they were like Ali „professional fighters“, even if they were just „semi-professonal fighters“.
B) What is an Amateur Fighter?
They are not paid to do it, they do it basically as a hobby. The difference between amateur and semi pro and pro fighter is the pro’s get paid.
C) What is an Professional Martial Artist or Professional Martial Arts Teacher/Instructor"?
Here you have to seperate between professional and semi-professional too.
Professional:
Its someone who’s main profession is teaching people in martial arts. He also doenst need a second job, he gains enough through his teaching, and also can spend full time to his own training.
Semi-professional:
Teaches people in martial arts too as a second job. But doesnt gain enough money to live from it. His main profession is ususally something else. So he cant spend full time to his own training.
D) What is a Professional Actor?
It is someone who gains his money through making movies. Its also a full time job and you dont need to have a second job, you gain enough money through acting.
A semi-professional actor needs a second job because he doesnt gain enough money for a living with his acting.
Was Bruce Lee as an adult (age 18-32) a "professional actor" (D) what so many of his detractors always claim?
The answer is: Yes. But only in the last 2 years of his life, summer 1971 to summer 1973.
Lee‘s main profession from 1963 to 1971 was C (martial arts teacher/instructor). His main income was being a martial arts instructor. 1959 to 1962 he worked as waiter in the Ruby Chow restaurant and opened his first Gung Fu school, the Jun Fan Gung Fu Institue, during the year 1960.
Between 1966 and 1971, he did acting as a second job (semi-professional actor). The only time he was fully involved in it during those years was June 1966 to February 1967 for "The Green Hornet".
All other appearances on tv series etc. were very short. He gained most of his money with teaching celebs in martial arts.
His (main) profession from 1963 to 1971 was martial arts instructor, and from 1966 to 1971 he did acting as a second job (semi-professional).
His (main) profession from 1971 to 1973 was acting, and he did teaching martial arts as a second job (semi-professional).
PS: Some people should do some research what his main profession was during his short life. Most of the time he was MA insructor. Between spring 1959 and June 1966 he didnt a single movie, thats 7 years. And 7 years is 50% time for a man who only lived the live as adult (age 18-32) for 14 years.
You should see what Dominic Izzo has uploaded two days ago. A video slandering Jesse glover and Bruce (again)
I would send it to kfg but I can’t cause he muted me. Maybe you could mention the video to him
@@axelstone3131 Yes i know the video by Izzo. And sure i could mention it below of KFG s video. But dont expect him to talk much about it. I am very sure he dislikes Izzo, but he at least agrees with him in certain points.
Check out the comment section of his newest video. A guy already asked him about Izzo and he replied to it.
See man the huge problem is in some way Izzo was right in what he said. Its like this:
Since Wing Chun doesnt have colored belt system like Karate, BJJ, Judo etc, it s difficult to explain it, but i just use belts now to make it clear. The whole WC system consists of 7 "forms":
1, 2, 3 and 4 = wodden dummy
5 = tripodal dummy
6 = long pole
7 = double knife
This is the whole system. It is a proven fact and undeniable, that Bruce never studied the whole system. He knew 1 and 2 completely, little parts of 3 and 4, but nothing of 5, 6 and 7.
So basically if you use a clored belt system, Wing Chun teaches the most important thing at the beginning. This means you start with the black belt and end with a white belt.
Bruce basically had a black, brown, purple and blue belt, but missed the green, orange, yellow and white belt.
And that's Izzo s point. Jesse Glover, Jim DeMile, Ed Hart etc, they knew what Bruce taught them, and in these things they were exceptional good. But some things i missing in their Wing Chun since they never learnd the white, yellow, orange and green belts, only blue, purple, brown and black.
KFG s journey is like this:
He began with DeMile, Hart and Glover. Then at some point he met a student of Leung, Ting in Canada. Ting s lineage is Wing Tsun (WT), and he was the last close door student of Yip, Man.
KFG realized after training WT with this canadian, that Bruce s Seattle students simply had holes and didnt know the whole Wing Chun cake, and so he began to study WT under Keith Kernspecht in my home (Germany) in the late 90s.
So KFG would disagree with many points with Izzo, but he definately would agree with him that Jesse s Wing Chun arsenal wasnt complete, which is like i said true and undeniable.
Thanks for uploading Axel. Where is this originally from? Love John Little because he's not afraid to fight the baseless haters about Bruce's actual fight abilities
I can’t remember how I found this. But if you search John little interview you should be able to find it. I would have usually linked it in the description but I must have forgot to do it
I've found it. Go for "An Interview with Filmmaker John Little", the name of the uploader is "Ayn Rand Centre UK"
@@chrisbach1533 that’s it. Thanks Chris.
@@axelstone3131 👍
Something else: I chose this clip here since you wrote a long reply about the cross training etc., and John points out Bruce never took much into JKD and many things are portrayed wrong. I allow me to give you James DeMile's thoughts about it, he shared it in certain interviews, i am only paraphrasing:
"After Bruce was gone anyone looked to Dan Inosanto and thought he has everything about JKD. Well, Daniel only knew what Bruce had show him. He had a piece of the cake but not the whole cake.
At some point he didnt know what else to do, so he started to mix in Escrima, Silat, Wing Chun, Boxing and other things. Well, Boxing and Wing Chun dont go together, they are too different.
Bruce did two different things:
1) Creating a defnitive style, the name was Jeet Kune Do
2) Researching all Martial Arts, and in the end writing a large book about it, about the styles, their strenghts and weaknesses, etc..
But because of his death, Nr. 2 could never be finished."
This was DeMile. And now what i think:
I actually believe Inosanto continiued (2), but he used the name (1) for it, and this was the big mistake. Yes Bruce wanted to research all styles, but only to know what they are about, not to mix them into his JKD.
So if Inosanto would have called what he did someting like "Bruce Lee Martial Arts Research Concepts", then it would have been perfect. But since he used the term "Jeet Kune Do" in it, its simply the wrong name for it.
Maybe this is close to the truth. Only maybe...
It’s all a mess. Did you see Thomas upload today about 50 years of misinformation about JKD?
I think of it like this, if Bruce turned up today, and he spent a few days watching mma or how people train, looking at JKD concepts.. I honestly think he’d say the same thing he said back then. That’s it’s just become a mess again. Mixing everything and hoping it works.
This isn’t how science is conducted when they do experiments, or when you build a house or anything else. Everything is designed and put together in such a way where there is a proven result. The problem is sport has taken precedence over self defence so everyone has the wrong perspective on reality.
Bruce was going a certain direction, and like John says it is documented and known how he trained and what he himself trained. I don’t underhand why people are trying to sell it as “it’s whatever you want it to be” and then go on this rant about how it’s a just a philosophy.
There is a direct, simple and effective way to move and execute said movement. That’s it. If you were to follow those principles you will become direct and efficient. If the first hit doesn’t land then you follow up until one does. I don’t know why certain idiots on here push that “they only have eye jabs and groin kicks” says who? Did Bruce only have eye jabs and groin kicks? No. Of course not.
Upload from Thomas? Which one do you mean exactly? Because i cant find a new clip on his channel from today.
Yes i agree 100%! And i go even further: I think if Bruce would indeed turn up today onle for let s say 1-2 days, he would just shake his head and say: "What the heck is going on"?
Some examples:
1) Sharon Farrell (2 days ago it was published she passed away in May this year) who told Matt Polly she had an affair with Bruce:
"When i met Bruce for the first time, he did a flip."
Polly here on YT on a podcast about how accurate the "Dragon" movie is:
"Bruce was a Wing Chun guy, he couldnt do flips. Jackie Chan was excellent in flips."
2) Gene LeBell:
"The mats in Bruce's school were too thin."
John Little:
"Bruce didnt have mats at all in his schools."
PS: See some similarities in Farrell and LeBell's stories? I do.
3) Burt Ward (The "Robin" actor from the 1960s "Batman" series):
"Bruce and i lived in the same building in 1966. We hung out and sparred together."
Van Williams (the "Batman" actor in the Batman series):
"Bruce and Burt didnt like each other very much."
And so on. Its all out of control man! There are so many claims and unfortunately even at least some Lee-Biographers and Historans just take all of that stuff for granit and write it down in books, even if there are so many contraditctions.
But a normal reader doesnt know about these contradictions. Thats the world we are living in today. Steven Seagal told this to the dutch Jesse Endkamp here on YT. He said: "Thats the problem in the USA. You can just talk and fabricate some fake stories and many ppl believe it."
You can like or dislike Seagal, but he s got a point in this.
@@chrisbach1533 his community post about 50 years of misinformation
@@chrisbach1533 I agree with all your points. The Lee estate is partly responsible for never speaking out about the lies and misinformation. I underhand not wanting to speak about Bruce’s drug use because they want to protect him and his image, but they’ve caused more harm than good by letting the misinformation perpetuate the way it has.
The flip thing was funny lol. It’s known Bruce had a guy on enter the dragon do the flip for him in his fight with sammo.
Ah coo, thx now i found it! :)
Bruce lee fans wanna see his final tv interview July 5, two weeks before he passed (VIDEO) + the Blondie episode + the 1969 north Carolina TV footage & the Dominican republic with jhoon Rhee footage feb 1970 - let's see stuff we HAVENT SEEN such as what I just wrote PLEASE SOMEBODY!! Thank u 👊 ☯️
Nobody can get that stuff anymore
@@axelstone3131 why? Someone has to have it
@@db90990 it doesn’t exist. They didn’t record tv interviews back then. All they have are photos
@axelstone3131 that's strange because there's the video interview of Bruce with Pierre berton in Hong Kong Dec 1971
@@db90990 wasn’t a Hong Kong production
Bruce Lee Was The Best, If You Wanna Beat Bruce Lee You'd Better Buy A Gun! He's A Martial Artist Who Taught Jeet Kune Do's Method. Which Is A Wonderful Method Of Fighting! So I Studied Bruce Lee's Style Jun Fan Gung Fu. It Happens To Be One Of The Great Martial Art Systems Of Today's Era & Time. I Enjoy Bruce Lee's Method Of Fighting. Because Nobody Could Beat His Ass In His Day. Not Chuck Norris, Joe Lewis, Mike Stone, Kareem Abdul Jabbar & Many Other's Like He Sparred With All Of His Best Student's From Dan Inosanto, Ted Wong, Taky Kimura, Richard Bustillo, Dan Lee, Jerry Poteet, Bob Bremer, James Yimm Lee, Jesse Glover, James DeMile, Ed Hart! So Bruce Lee Could Fight & Fight Well, Not Anyone I Could Think Of Can Compare To The Dragon, Bruce Lee!
You can't think of anyone because you are a hero worshipping fanboy that turns a blind eye to the fact that there is little evidence of Bruce beating anyone. Plenty of hearsay though.
Jim Demile said he once met BL after they had a falling out and he brought a gun. He said that BL was something but an angry BL would be meeting death. Good thing for him nothing happened.
I don't agree that Bruce wouldn't do well in the octagon. According to Jim Kelly (rip), Bruce would have adapted. In fact, after he turned down Ali's boxing match challenge, he allegedly changed his mind and was going to train for a fight with him.
In an interview I saw on RUclips, Hayward said that if someone was ever able to take Bruce to the ground, he would probably be in trouble. I love Hayward's honesty.
Lastly, I knew someone who supposedly took lessons from Joone Rhee (sorry, don't know correct spelling). He said Rhee was constantly talking up Bruce, how incredible he was.
The so called boxing match with Bruce and Ali is a myth. The two of them never met or spoke. It’s not a thing. As for Bruce being taken down he’d be in trouble? I don’t think so. Bruce knew plenty of grappling he just didn’t need it. Time line is important here. Hayward didn’t know Bruce in the 70’s. Most of these people met him in the early to mid 60’s. If someone tried to take Bruce down this is what what happen ruclips.net/user/shortsA-eBY_zpWv0?si=YwIfAcGN_DOCPkam
The video shows exactly what Bruce showed as to how to defend against a tackle, in a book that I had that if I remember correctly, he didn't want published. As to the boxing match challenge, the person best qualified to answer that, would be Linda and maybe Dan Inosanto. And again, Dan may be the one best qualified to answer as to how proficient a grappler Bruce was.
Hayward was just being honest and said that, after telling the lying down story. Idk when they knew each other. But he obviously felt highly of Bruce.
Type in the searchbox "bruce lee disliked american stuntmen tarantino vip lifestyle", and you gonna find a video with over 2 million views. I really dont get it why such videos get so many views, and videos like this here not.
Not coming up. But the Joe rogan episode with Tarantino is and that’s at 6.6million views. Most people are idiots and casuals. They have spent years trying to learn about Bruce or JKD like we have.
Remember to most people Bruce is just some guy who made a few kung fu movies in the 70’s and that’s as far as it goes for them, they don’t underhand his global impact.
It seems Shannon is unaware about many things. I think more and more she never understand to this day who were real and fake friends of her dad.
Talking about crap:
If you have time watch two other videos on YT:
1) Bruce Lee fought heavyweight Boxer (by Goldenbell Trianing)
2) Bruce Lee vs Jean-Claude Van Damme - who wins (by VIking Samurai, just uploaded two days ago).
Especially 2.
The guys in that video talking so much fake information about Lee, JKD etc., i cant stand it anymore. It seems especially JKD is totally messed up in the USA, almost nobody understands what it really is.
I watched both videos. Saw golden bell one before.
You’re right JKD is a mess. Did I mention until I saw Tommy I thought it was basically concepts. I was never impressed either.. I alway thought really?? This is as far as Bruce took it? Just this? It looks kind of.. not that great.
Then I find Tommy and watch all his stuff and I’m like.. wow. You’re the only guy on 50 years I’ve ever seen move like this or even exemplify what JKD is.
Forgot to mention, yeh maybe you’re right about Shannon. Maybe she doesn’t know a lot fl this stuff. I’m sure Linda would have known about the stuff that was said though. But maybe not. I dunno.
@@axelstone3131 The video of Goldenbell about Orbillo and Lee isnt bad, he explains it well. But when you read the comment section there, so many false informations.
No i think or guess KFG doesnt like Tommy because he usually talks Wing Chun and other chinese styles down.
@@chrisbach1533 Tommy did wing chun for 4 years. I would assume that means he learnt most if not all of the curriculum. Especially the forms etc. so he has experience to voice his opinion on it.
Was it you that said people say about Bruce wanting by to learn more wing chun in the 70’’s or tried to get lessons but it’s just not true. Not sure if John little confirmed it or not but again he as you said is a big proponent of wing chun
@@axelstone3131 It was like this: David Petersen stated in this 2016 by Little published documentary in his final months, Bruce still learned WC from Shunleung, basically as if Bruce spend much time with him there to finish the whole Wing Chun system.
Little pointed out in his new book Bruce and Shunleung actually sparred shortly before Bruce died. It came together since Bruce told Shunleung what he was doing wanst WC anymore, but Shunleung said it was.
So they sparred, and Bruce beat him. Shunleung said something like: "You are right, i see what you are doing isnt WC anymore, its something else."
And since Shunleung was always very open minded, he even implied some of Bruce's JKD in his own style, basically he took some of it because it was so effective.
This underlines what Bruce was doing in the end wasnt WC anymore. And funny is its even reported by Little who likes WC so much.
Means: Bruce didnt hate WC in the end and found it BS from A-Z what some people say. He still respected it, and always said it was the first real thing he ever did, and he respected Yip Man and Wong Shunleung very much.
But he himself was doing something else. And even Little confirmed that.
@@chrisbach1533 I didn’t know he said that I’ll have to try and get around to reading the book
Why is John Little not over bruce Lees writings any more there a new guy now from England. I would not take everything John says as gospel when it comes to say joe Lewis as the 2 of them where at each other for yrs back and forward John claims that bruce beat joe in a spar now that could be true as I believe nobody in Bruce's time could beat him nobody but here's the thing he did not say this on till joe died I was told about joe sparring with herb Jackson and joe hit herb too hard so bruce said give me the gloves and beat up joe now I believe that could have happened but the fact that John Little and joe Lewis where bad talking each other I don't know what to believe about that because he don't like joe and to say this after joe died now I am not a joe fan my self as he said bruce was just a actor could not take a punch so I hope for it to be true and I would bet my life that bruce would beat him
Because the other guy is misrepresenting what Bruce was actually doing and training. He doesn’t underhand late stage JKD. He’s obsessed with Bruce’s wing chun period. he (English guy) learnt concepts which is kali and Muay Thai etc mixed with Bruce’s early wing chun stuff, Bruce didn’t mix martial arts. He did cross train but he didn’t blend it all together to create JKD. JKD is it’s own thing, the guy from uk is a moron. He’s has no economy of motion, he’s indirect, sloppy, terrible footwork and he’s obese, and a stalker. John has seen Bruce’s notes. All of them. He’s seen exactly how Bruce trained, the reps, the techniques over the course of his life, he’s seen what changed, spoke to countless first generation students, He’s the only person whose been allowed access to all this. Before he published the books about Bruce nobody know what Bruce did. The guy from the uk claims finger jabs and kicking groin doesn’t work, all the things Bruce trained and is known to have trained, he dismisses. He’s just another guy who things he understands Bruce but isn’t even certified by anyone. He’s a moron. Joe Lewis and Bruce had a falling out and weren’t on talking terms before Bruce died. It’s only years later that Joe was honest about Bruce’s abilities and how good he was.
@@axelstone3131there's a new movie in the works about Bruce's life now there's a Oscar winning guy over the movie but my fear is that how ever is teaching the guy playing bruce it will be that bullshit we see all over youtube slapping hands trapping so we will see mma from bruce in this new movie .the lee family need to be told what the hell is going on with jkd .please god 20 30 yrs it will be a thing of the past
@@anthonycasey5269I don’t think Shannon has a clue how to market JKD or Bruce. She seems more interested is selling shitty trinkets on the Bruce lee store like hats, sandals and t shirts. Even if some of it is cool. The film will be shit. Ang Lee the director has his own son playing Bruce, he’ll just be doing wing chun and mma probably. Neither of which Bruce doing by the 70’s. It’s not like he forgot wing chun but he found more useful and effective methods. The only way it would be half decent is if Tommy taught the guy JKD
@@axelstone3131 I tried to get my card 💳 to pay for the Mt Thomas marx page it's 3 euros for the Mt and I don't know my bloody code not for bank card some other code I don't use this card that much I am still a cash man old school. It's a code off my online banking or something. I really like Thomas stuff I came across him tommy I do text tommy carruthers his a busy man but he gets back to me he text me last night saying great idea so you know Tommy's jkd stick men I asked tommy about animation. Get someone to make a short film om the stick men tommy has doing jkd do you k ow the stick men ya Tommy's drawings .it would be cool have a story line tommy doing the voice over you could have the stick men all fancy the classical mess as bruce called it so there doing wing chun then they start to do jkd finger jabs kicks to the groin .what you think are you on Instagram let me know I am heading off to bed now mate I am from Ireland.
@@anthonycasey5269yeh I know the stick drawing, you could always actually sign up for Tommy’s lessons online. I might be going to visit him over the next year or so for private instruction myself.
It sounds like John Little (who, as Joe Lewis pointed out, never so much as met Bruce Lee) is still a Bruce Lee worshipper. For instance, he talks about Bruce's finger jabs like that would be unbeatable ... unless, of course, that finger jab misses by as little as an inch, misses a small, fast moving target that you would have basically one chance to hit against a competitive fighter like Gene LeBell. If a great grappler gets past your first strike & you can't grapple at the same level or higher you're going to have a bad day! I'm a Bruce Lee fan, he was (& is) an inspiration to millions, I have no doubt that he was an exceptional martial artist, he helped modernize martial arts thinking, his ideas about simplicity, efficiency, realistic training, etc., were a positive influence on martial arts in general, but ... he was fully human, & a small, lightweight human being, at that, he certainly wasn't invincible, we can't possibly know with any certainty how he would've done in competitive fighting, and besides, what difference does it make who we think could beat up whom? I'm just saying it's kind of silly & immature to still be playing this childish "Oh yeah? Well, Bruce Lee could beat anyone!" game all these decades later! How does any of that speculation change any of Lee's actual achievements?
I think you, like many, think that size trumps all when smaller boxers have beaten bigger boxers quite often, and because you have never seen anyone move or have attributes like Bruce in person or elsewhere it’s very easy to dismiss him and his abilities. Mike Tyson being one of the smallest and most powerful heavyweights of all time. Bruce was able to generate enormous power and had incredible attributes. Who cares about sport fighting. What’s that got to do with anything. Even if a finger jab missed it’s not like he’d be stuck and not have follow ups. But the chances are he is going to land it sooner or later, you can only avoid so much for so long. It’s a little immature to call John a Bruce Lee worshipper, he’s had access to all the writings, most of the people that knew Bruce, most of the people who witness him actually engage is real fights as well as seen him train. He was levels above everyone. There’s good and then there’s great. I cannot comprehend why people can’t accept the fact that Bruce was great. It’s just the facts and all the evidence points to the same conclusion. Perhaps you don’t like the way John comes across or just don’t like what he has to say. I don’t know. Joe actually wanted John to write about him instead of Bruce. Jealousy is most likely the reason why be said such things.
Jim Demile was asked how BL would do against those grapplers and he explained it well. He said that grapplers have to rush to you. BL would crack their skull.
Feb 89 Blackbelt "Secrets of Shoalin Temple" column by Steven Barnes (its online) details Lees loss to Lebell in a real altercation and not just some on set hijinks. For someone to put this story in print in a national publication means something. The story was also verified by Ed Parker in another article. I read both at the time. I dont recall anyone in the Lee family or JKD community close to Lee flatly denying this story. John Little, missing a golden opportunity to call it false in his book on Lee's supposed history of fights ignores this controversy completely. Why? Maybe he cant deny it ever happened in print as much as he claims in breezy conversations on fanboy podcasts. Lets see Shannon Lee say that a real altercation with Lee and Lebell never took place. She hasnt yet. Has Dan Inosanto ever gone on record saying Lee was overpowered in a real altercation with Lebell ? He never has seemed to talk about it at all. The silence by those close to Lee on this is telling. The only one who said something about it was Parker and he would know. Unlike 99% if Lee fanboys, he actually KNEW him. Lets also have John Little interview Steven Barnes and ask him who his sources were back in 1989 who gave him the confidence to write what he wrote. I challenge Goldenbell training to contact Barnes and ask him who his sources were. Barnes is an award winning african american writer and not some lightweight. I also challenge Little, and the Lee estate to say in print that Lebell did not have an heated altercation which concluded with Lebell overpowering Bruce Lee. Gushing fanboy commentary reciting the elements is not journalism.
Moronic comment full of false information. Stop believing fairy tales. Idiot.
I love how much in denial you labell fanboys are. If he was never associated with Bruce or seagal nobody would know who he was.
@@axelstone3131 I love how much in denial Lee fanboys are. He is portrayed as an unbeatable fighting machine, when nobody of note has admitted to losing a real fight to bruce. Personally, I think he could beat a lot of guys, given his training and studying, but he is not beating the Tysons and Cro-cops of this world.
Bruce new every judo throw by name according to dan inosanto and larry hartsell said when hr wrote his book trspping to grappling labell contacted larry znd said that grappling is my stuff thsts how hartsell had to address that on his book
🤷♂️ Bruce knew and was training with other judo guys long before label came along. Like John Little says. There no evidence supporting anything gene says.
@@axelstone3131 Bruce's students say he learned stuff from gene
@@axelstone3131plus John never met Bruce like Bruce's students
@@dannydevito4899 a lot of people say stuff about what Bruce did or who he studied with but when you look for more evidence there’s nothing supporting that idea. It is 100% known he studied judo with Jesse Glover and Hayward Nishioki along with Japanese jujutsu from Wally Jay. He did, supposedly also learn judo from a guy called Fred Sato. Gene has way way way to much credit. It was already the late 60’s by then. Bruce’s education as a martial artist was mostly done by that point. Beyond that it was a case of refining, and throwing away what he felt wasn’t effective or useful for him. Also, why would Bruce, need multiple different people to teach him the same thing? Doesn’t make much sense.
@@axelstone3131we will never knw for sure but but I used to ask his students lots lots of questions when eating out with them at that time Bruce was way advanced than most people then nowadays ther lots of high calibre people like rickson gracie Tyson etc