A Practical Conversation on Jameson Williams
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
- Matt Harmon and James Koh talk Detroit Lions wide receiver Jameson Williams. Everyone seems to have a hot take on who is is as a player, so it's time to sit down and have a rational discussion.
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0:00 Intro
1:51 The Longest 🤷♀️
4:33 What does his profile tell us?
10:20 Zone beating comparison
14:00 Opportunity in Detroit
20:20 Historical Comparisons
24:00 5th best option in Detroit? 
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Anyone claiming they know who Jameson Williams is or what he can do on the football field in the NFL is full of malarkey. He's 23 years old and he's had a grand total of 51 targets in 18 total games. His last 3 games regular season games he saw 16 of those 51 targets. And another 9 targets in the post season. In his total of 31 receptions both regular and post season he's had 4 touchdowns. He's had another 5 rushes with 2 of them going for touchdowns. That's 6 touchdowns for 36 touches. And he's just 23 years old. In a pass heavy league, Jonathon Brooks ( a guy who has barely seen a football field) is going around pick 66 while Jameson Williams (who has played in 18 NFL games) is going around pick 130. And he's roughly the 3rd or 4th option on their team.
This is Jamos first off season that he is going to have a full camp and the first time he’s running with the 1s the whole time. Dan Cambell doesn’t give players compliments for no reason and doesn’t bull shit and he’s already come out and said Jamo is looking night and day compared to last year. Also Goff and Him have never been able to get a bunch of reps going into the season so they can get on the same wave lengths. The Lions would not go into this Super Bowl season with Jamo as our wr2 if they didn’t believe he could do it. He also isn’t going to be playing the X anymore and just running deep routes lined up on the line of scrimmage. I believe he gets over 1000 yards and 8tds this year. The Lions have 48mil in cap space and if they thought they needed someone else at wr they’d get that guy to replace Jamo. Reynolds is gone and Jamo is going to see about 80-100 targets easy. It’s Jamos breakout year.
Also the ACL didn’t slow him down. He is one of the top 5 fastest players in the league. All the Lions players talk about his speed at practice and that they’ve never seen anything like it. Adding DPJ and Smith are both just depth moves.
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Jamo definitely took massive strides in the 2nd half of the season. Making contested catches and working more short & intermediate routes. As a YAC threat he is a nightmare at full speed. He gained Goff & Campbell’s trust. They let Reynolds walk & added no one. He’s slotted for a full time WR2 role in an explosive offense that scores a ton of points.
Scores 2TDs in the NFC championship. The first one gave the Lions a legit shot at an upset. The guy is a playmaker and they’re finally giving him the keys. Far more elusive than most thought at first glance
Besides the nfc championship, Reynolds actually played very well during the season. The only reason he left was because of the backlash he received after dropping so many passes in the nfc championship. As a Lions fan, we shouldn't be as ignorant next time. If we still had him, I'd say the lions would have at least a top 15 wide receiver trio.
You can tell that James just looks at the numbers and doesn’t have a clue what’s actually going on with jamo
Agreed! Absolutely annoying. OBVIOUSLY no research into his “opinion” and or “context” on what it was he did look up! He was injured (season 1 gone). He was suspended (which he was actually vindicated and his suspension was cut IN HALF bcuz it had already gone that long when they actually reevaluated the situation in which he was only betting on the FINAL 4 tournament games IN HIS CAR) despite the league being in bed with gambling sites!
Then in season 3 the coaching staff MADE HIM work his way up the depth chart because he did have some raw technique and couldn’t develop in normal time (he has always relied on his speed so they didn’t develop as much). UNTIL THIS SEASON! He has worked! He WILL BE A WR 2 this season! Mark it! (Not just a homer, did my research).
BTW, his speed is actually maybe faster than it was at Bama’ bcuz he’s gained 10lbs of good muscle!
I liked Matt’s analysis. Good work!
@DocCason9793 News flash! You do not gain speed when you gain weight. When you gain weight, you wil lose speed. It's a fact! Just try and you will see.
You guys make a huge deal out of Josh Reynolds leaving. The room is basically the same as last year with Jamo improving which was a solid WR room
James: “Maybe the most notable move is they brought in Tre’Quan Smith.”
Matt: “Oh boy.”
😂
Jon Snow is THE guy. 🔥
I legit don’t think Quinn makes the team and if he does he will only play special teams or be on the p squad.
2 guys who never leave the house to take the trash out criticizing people are crazy.
Jamo's rushing stats.... 5-111-2
Super human.
Keep underestimating him.
Jamo’s gambling suspension was a stupid league rule. Why are we still holding that against him? He tried to do it the right way and was simply a victim of technology.
Also, the Lions run a very detailed offense. We know teams don’t practice much during the season. Jamo didn’t practice much 1st two seasons. Where does Jamo get these details?
Also, He has gotten stronger per Randle-El. That will help against press coverage. Jamo will be fine. It’s this micro wave society that is the issue.
If you can acknowledge the circumstances, why are you looking at stats in this manner?
Also, his coach simply wanted him to get better week over week last season. Campbell was happy with it. All that really matters.
Man" y'all terrible Bro 💯😅😅
I don’t blame the gambling thing on him due to the fact the NFL ended up shortening his suspension and reworded the rules. 1 he didn’t bet on the NFL. He made a bet on college which is allowed. He did it after working hours in his hotel. What he didn’t understand was because the Lions paid for the hotel, it made the hotel a team facility.
Averaging ~20 YDS/G… 😬
With Reynolds gone, they’re going to try to send him on deeper routes. Averaged 19.9 YDS/REC at Bama…
Amon Ra, Laporta, and Gibbs.... Not enough targets to go around. Plus he's the deep burner and Goff is the short to intermediate passer. His presence on the field opens the whole field up for everyone.
JW about to GO OFF for 750 yds and 5 TDs this year 😅
Try 500 yards 2 lucky jet sweep TDs😂 BUST
@@lincolnchiller1274you a big clown
Y’all both 🤡🤡🤡
There is no nuance in this breakdown, just numbers. We we traded up to draft him. It was with the understanding that we needed to groom him. The things he had in spades and things that aren't coachable, speed, love for the game, willingness to block/ play special teams.
The gambling suspension definitely slowed his timeline, but we didn't sign Reynolds back for a reason, and no, it wasn't his drops in the NFC Championship. It was because since calling his name, he was going to be a starter year three when the competitive window opened... granted as a team, we are farther along having opened a SB window, but Jamo is going to open it up this year, and the only people who won't be shocked are the fans who understand the plan
Sure. Absolutely zero nuance at all.
Reynolds didn't want to come back because of the backlash he faced from the nfc championship.
@Ibhena1264 nah man that's mis information. Reynolds stood in the locker room through 3 separate media scrums after the loss and answered every single question and didn't hide or back down from anything. He left it all out on the field and it's unfortunate that he couldn't make those catches, but he is a professional. He didn't come back because it would have been for less money and a backseat to Jamo"s progression plan. He wants to start and took the best deal out there, simple as that
@WesVikis oh
I think him admitting he was immature, and not listening because he wanted to do thing's his way. I really think we'll see a big difference this season. He just needs to keep his head on straight, and earn Goffs trust.
Nobody thinks Jamo is going to take in all of Reynolds receptions. Most think Gibbs, Raymond, and Jamo will pickup those 40 or so receptions. Not to mention st brown and Laporta.
I think he could have an interesting second contract with a different team.
Beat reporters from Allen Park are saying undrated rookie Isiah Williams is playing better than DPJ in offseason workouts. The discussions about replacing Jamo are not based in reality.
2 mid 2nds for Jamo and a mid 3rd?
yes
You need to watch games and not numbers
@@solomo3456 🙄
He will be a perfect Chief
You are on drugs
James, it's ok, just tell us you're bearish on the lions lol
I wish I had the confidence in the unproven Jameson Williams that most Detroit fans seem to have. If anything happens to St. Brown I fear the Lions are screwed considering the depth of the WR room. 😐
Gambling suspension was his fault, no doubt. I do give him a little grace when realizing he was in his car betting & his phone connected to the facility WiFi, which is why he got in trouble.
Jamo's gonna be in his bag this season, not a Nico Collins-type year 3 but maybe Devonta Smith? Reynolds gone will keep him on the field for hopefully 80% of snaps vs 60% this past year, and he'll be the #3 target w/ long ball upside. I see a high-end WR3, low-end WR2, ultimate best-ball candidate.
so, and i cant find the report on this, but i understood the story to be he was traveling with the team, in his hotel room, gambling on alabama games... he didnt understand that his hotel room on the road was considered a part of the team facilities... maybe im misunderstanding the rules, but if he was in his car, the same bet would have been fine
@@detfanman9899 no you’re right, I remember that report. I may have been thinking about another story/rumor. My bad, think your version was confirmed
@@musicalclarity6574a high end wr 3 ? You are a fool who lied throughout your comment 😂😂😂
The thing is when Jamo is successful, he is REALLY successful. Also Brandin Cooks in his "bad" 2nd year had 129 tgts with 84 rec. for 1138 yds. and 9 tds. The Lions will take that every day and twice on Sunday.
100% that's why Cooks was the upside scenario. Would be a great outcome for Detroit. Probably not the most likely one though
@@MattHarmonRPso what’s the most likely outcome since you know so much?😂
Apparently these guys haven’t watched anything on mini camp Campbell is saying Jamo is the most improved player on the team looking to put the league on notice. 800 yards 2-3 games with 150-200 yards 8TD’s regular season stats book it.
@@trevorculverhouse that's coach talk 😂
@@WoodyWard any other time coach has talked about Jamo it’s been criticizing him this offseason it’s different Goff seems to be more comfortable with his speed and route running Plus this will be his first full offseason with the team getting that early chemistry. Just my opinion
Why is everyone in the comments trippin😂😂
I really can’t believe this is what we think is good football analysis. This is nothing but reading math problems and trying to find people who fell into those categories. No player has entered the league with the 1st two seasons like Jamo did.
The Lions playing him in year 1 has done more damage to him than it was worth. People still count year 1 against him knowing he didn’t practice. Year 2 didn’t go the way we wanted. This video is one of the more silly ones that I have seen.
"No player has entered the league with the 1st seasons like Jamo did."
Almost word for word what I said less than 3 minutes into the video lol. I think you need to calm down and take a lap.
@@MattHarmonRPCorrect. Don’t stop there because you kept going in the video. Which is where the criticism lies. I never said you didn’t say anything.
Yep and I think you're just missing the mark if you think I didn't present multiple scenarios as to how his career can play out, good and bad, based on data that I collect by watching film. But oh well!
Year 2 definitely went is way during the stretch run he came or a acl injury his rookie year him and Goff had no chemistry
@@MattHarmonRPThe dataset is inconclusive at best. What can you hope to glean from year 2 when all his coach wanted from him was to get a little better every week?
His coach said he wasn’t concerned about making plays or stats. He was concerned about Jamo lining up properly. He was concerned about Jamo getting the proper depth. He was concerned about Jamo getting the details of the offense. You know the things that actually matter.
Instead, we get all of you nerds telling us he’s not good cuz stats.
I was never in, probably never will be, he's got 3 guys ahead of him with really more reliable target shares
No he doesn’t 😂😂🤡🤡🤡🤡
@@solomo3456 ARSB, Laporta and Gibbs all had more targets/game last year, you think Gibbs isn’t getting more targets after his rookie season? 🤡
@@solomo3456 ARSB, Laporta, Gibbs. Could even add Montgomery.
If you’re a Lions fan, go find another team.
@@jackanooga Gibbs is not getting more targets then Jamo in the passing game you need to speak on something else nor is David
What is your metric for “success rates”? Seems to me when 1. His QB is immobile, so the ball is coming out in less than 3 seconds before his routes develop and 2. He’s used as a decoy and is seldom left without safety help over the top, your metric are pretty non applicable or not considering what Ben Johnson’s offense asks of him.
Well this is a dumb take. So how did randy moss get 1500 yds and 23 tds with a slow ass immobile qb?
Dumb take.
3 gallon water jug?
Hate to see that cup holder
just one gallon don't be unreasonable
Yup, all I needed to do was keep listening. Fantasy nonsense
Williams has Martavis bryant energy. Just not gonna do it
It’s always a person with Cartoon pic saying dumb stuff lmao never fails
This is Jamos first off season that he is going to have a full camp and the first time he’s running with the 1s the whole time. Dan Cambell doesn’t give players compliments for no reason and doesn’t bull shit and he’s already come out and said Jamo is looking night and day compared to last year. Also Goff and Him have never been able to get a bunch of reps going into the season so they can get on the same wave lengths. The Lions would not go into this Super Bowl season with Jamo as our wr2 if they didn’t believe he could do it. He also isn’t going to be playing the X anymore and just running deep routes lined up on the line of scrimmage. I believe he gets over 1000 yards and 8tds this year. The Lions have 48mil in cap space and if they thought they needed someone else at wr they’d get that guy to replace Jamo. Reynolds is gone and Jamo is going to see about 80-100 targets easy. It’s Jamos breakout year.
Please stop copying and pasting this.