Kings of the 'most discriminated against group in Europe'
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Meet the rival monarchs of the gypsies. Florin Cioba claims he's King of the Roma. But try telling that to his cousin -- Emperor of all Roma Everywhere.
"I am the greatest leader. This is what everyone will say", declares Emperor Iulian Radulescu. His dispute with cousin and rival claimant, King Florin Cioba has descended to the level of personal slurs. "I've told him three or four times to go to the mental health institute". But it's a squabble that has little impact on the lives of ordinary Roma, arguably the most discriminated against group in Europe.
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They have survived, without having to think about what the neighbors think about them.
as the main character from a TV-series said once: " There is but one path - we kill them all! "
Damn. That's kinda fucked
Um cancer will eat any one’s liver or inside parts with their entire families for those who wants to see us dead .. may god curse him and he’s family nothing good will come to those people they will all die in cancer 😢 amen amen 🙏 😊
But, I dont know about gypsies kings, but Brazil had a president with gypsy ancestry, one of the most acclaimed politicians of all times - Juscelino Kubitschek de Oliveira.
I'm not a Gypsy,I'm Romanian , gypsyes migrated from India in 1200-1500 AD, Romanians are Europeans people speaking Latin language, Romanian language resembles with Italian, French, Spanish, Portuguese languages, Romanian and Gypsy(ROMA) are different in ethnicity.
I had no idea the Roma had a king or an emperor. I've had the idea in my own head of a Roma King in another context, but I didn't know one exisited! I am Native American Chieftess looking into other discriminated, persecuted indigenas. Glad to find such a lead. Thank you!
There are many 'kings' among the Roma, they are more like tribal or community leaders. There is no one 'King'.
A man who tells a lie SO MANY TIMES will actually in time believe his OWN DAMN LIE.
Crowned himself king lol lol seems legit
I love Romania ! God blessed Romania .Romanians from Romania and Gypsies are totally different.They have totally different origins and customs. Romanians are: amazing people with school,hardworking,faithful,very honest,very clean,and highly intelligent and haha the most beautiful people in the world ! I visited many countries and Romania is still the best !!! When i say the best i mean what God gave to us: love ,kindliness and amazing nature with amazing people!
WWPSdvia, thanks Swedish brother for your comments, you truly understand what is happening here, the world doesn't know anything about us, they associate us with those rude Gypsies without having a clue or a idea about our country and our history, eternal respect from a Romanian, hope you will come here sometimes and have a good time with real Romanians near you
'Borat' is a JEW who makes his living mocking people's kindness.
i cannot believe how this country entered the EU.
Origins
Main article: Origin of the Romani people
Linguistic and genetic evidence indicates the Romani originated from the Indian subcontinent, emigrating from India toward the northwest 1500 years ago. Genetic findings in 2012 suggest they originated in northwest India and migrated as a group.[48]
"More like a Mexican amigo than a resident from Europe", I'm not sure what to make out of that
Well one word Europeans .. 😂😂💀 they love everybody and they see everybody the same I mean everybody is a criminal or a terrorist who’s not one of them ☝️ ..
gypsys don't need a king they need a smart politician. kings become power and money hungry
aman blackhearth politicians don't care about you neither
"The princess was just 12 years old". OMG! She looked at least 18.
a bunch of women with neat hair, cultivated manners and bright shiny teeth - I love them.
This exonym is sometimes written with capital letter, to show that it designates an ethnic group.[36] The term 'gypsy' appears when international research programmes, documents and policies on the community are referred to. However, as a term 'gypsy' is considered derogatory by many members of the Roma community because of negative and stereotypical associations with the term
I saw there is a huge missunderstanding:In Romania (my country) it isn't 2 million gypsies living...they are around 500.000 only.
It just funny how other white races are want to be better then the other in this case the other white race think they better then then the gipsy race but the questions is if they really are better then the gipsies?! I came across diffrent sort of gipsies and guess what?! There are gipsies in every white country and the truth is that they all diffrent from each other dffrent culture, diffrent way of dressing, diffrent appearnce. The races i loved were the american,polish, russian gipsies which didnt look like the gipsies in the uk or in Romania. They don't live in caravans and never lived it one of those. (This if for them people that say that gipsies don't work) 1 in 3rd millionaires!!! You can't tell because they're white and they they are no different to the other white race. They don't usually work in public place as majority of them own a business which doesn't require to be there every day... So do not judge when you see them resting in their garden! (This is for all people that say that gipsies are thief's) every race steals black race, brown, and white race which includes gipsies. But guess what is the country wouldn't steal from us the queen would be starving. Also all races blame black race for stealing but our white race it the worse thief's you could ever come across with. And one and most important thing never call a american, Russian, polish gipsy a Romanian gipsy as they would be very offended and could lead to you loosing your life as they have no respect towards that race because of the respect their are loosing because of them!!! I wrote this from my own life experience. Im white and I'm not one of them people that is up for anti-racist shit...
I was helped by a Roma nurse in a hospital. Luckily she had been given a job. You probably wouldn't have employed her purely because of her ethnicity. Would this have been fair? She was good at what she did and didn't steal anything from me.
I wounder if their ancestors were actually from ancient Babylon.
"Romania was an open invite for the gyp's to have a home". Wrong. Gypsies have lived in Romania for at least 1000, years, maybe longer. They were brought there as slaves.
"No other country wanted them". Except Bulgaria, Serbia, Turkey, Egypt, France, Russia, Spain, USA, UK etc
"Show me a gypsie that donates to poor people and pays taxes". I work for music publishing company, & we have 7 Roma clients. They all pay a lot of tax. One pays for school, food & housing for 40 orphans.What do you do?
Read the book "Bury me Standing". There's a part about Florin Ciaoba's father Ion. They've come a long way (at least economically) since Communism ended. And yes, in that part of Romania the Rom have big, lavish houses (at least for guys like Ciaoba). But throughout Europe, Roma children are begging on the streets and sniffing glue. Florin Ciaoba hasn't reached out to them so far.
According to recent genomic studies, the Roma reached the Balkans by about the early 12th century.[48] In 1322, an Irish Franciscan monk, Symon Semeonis encountered a migrant group, "the descendants of Cain", outside the town of Heraklion (Candia), in Crete. Symon's account is probably the earliest surviving description by a Western chronicler of the Romani people in Europe.
2,000,000 gypsies in Romania???? Who lied to you?
This is from Wikipedia:
"The Roma (Roma in Romani; Romi, Rromi or Ţigani in Romanian) constitute one of the major minorities in Romania. According to the 2002 census, they number 535,140 people or 2.5% of the total population, being the second-largest ethnic minority in Romania after Hungarians.[1] The Roma are, however, also Romania's most socially and economically disadvantaged minority, with high illiteracy levels.[2][3][4][5]
This article is about the Romani ethnic group, and should not be confused with Romanians, an unrelated ethnic group and nation. For other uses, see Romani (disambiguation).The Romani are an ethnic group living mostly in Europe, who have been traced genetically to a group migrating from the northwestern Indian Subcontinent about 1,500 years ago. Romani are widely known in the English-speaking world by the exonym "Gypsies" (or Gipsies).
I have Romanian background as well, these gypsies took over Romania and now you can't even say your Romania because everyone thinks Roma = Romanian when Roma = Gypsy from India!
They are known collectively in the Romani language as Romane or Rromane (depending on the dialect concerned) and also as Romany, Romanies, Romanis, Roma or Roms.
Romani are widely dispersed, with their largest concentrated populations in Europe, especially the Roma of Central and Eastern Europe and Anatolia, followed by the Kale of Iberia and Southern France.
@Krisznyo Hungarian historian Theodor Lehoczky writes in 1890: The regions from Northeastern Salaj were, without a doubt, inhabited by Romanians before the Magyar elements managed to penetrate into this region.
Hungarian Gábor Fábián writes in the ethnography of Arad in 1835: The Romanians are the oldest people here, and if it is true that they are the colonists of Dacia after Trajans conquest, then they can be considered as the aboriginals of this comitat
@Krisznyo i wasn't talking about Istvan and Arpad, those were not the greatest Hungarian kings, i was talking about Hunyadi and Corvinus, who's grandfather was a noble Vlach from Wallachia, with the name of "Voicu", also Hunyadi's mother was by Orthodox religion, meaning that she probably was a Magyarized Romanian, this noble family had good relations with the Romanians who lived in that county, being triple more numerous than Hungarians, so this 2 kings had Romanian origin, there's no doubt
It is very simple-GYPSY KINGS live in Romania today; if Gypsy kings live in Russia today, the title of the film will be "Gypsy Kings-Russia". If Gypsy king lives in Albania, the tile will be "Gypsy Kings-Albania". If Gypsy Kings live in France today, the title will be "Gypsy Kings-France". Don't feel offensive (I know that Romanians don't like the West to stereotype them as Gypsies.)
"The only thing they can do is steal."
Don't you ever stop to think maybe this is where the hate that gets passed through generations comes from? Stealing from the very people you expect to welcome you as neighbours is the quickest way to get segregated from that community.
Romania spent four generations in the darkness & ignorance of Ceausescu's communism. Which is partly the reason why many there haven't yet realised that human rights apply equally to all the people of their country, not just those who look or think like them. Roma have been in the Eastern Balkans for 1000 years. That's longer than the existence of Romania.
what's the name of that glorious song somewhere in the beginning with that guy singing?
Romanians in Chicago have told me so many horror stories about what the Gypsies did to Romania.
I'm roma by my dads side and I must admit that all the hateful comments really hurt. No one ever sees the good side of my people :/
google0p said very well: "Calling a Romanian "Gypsy" is like calling a French "Arab" or a British "Pakistanian". How idiot can some people be to confuse a minority with the majority from a country? Is it so hard to understand these basic things:
- Gypsy / Zingaro / Rrom / Cigan - originating from India ( Punjab ) and minority in almost all European countries"
The Romani language is divided into several dialects, which add up to an estimated number of speakers larger than two million.[26] The total number of Romani people is at least twice as large (several times as large according to high estimates). Many Romani are native speakers of the language current in their country of residence, or of mixed languages combining the two.
Historians and linguistic specialists had thought they may have emerged from the modern Indian state of Rajasthan, migrating to the northwest (the Punjab region, Sindh and Baluchistan of modern-day Pakistan and India) around 250 BC. In the centuries spent here, there may have been close interaction with such established groups as the Rajputs and the Jats. Their subsequent westward migration, possibly in waves, is now believed to have occurred about AD 500.
. The word Gypsy in English has become so pervasive that many Romani organizations use it in their own organizational names.
In North America, the word gypsy is commonly used as a reference to lifestyle[38] or fashion, and not to the Romani ethnicity. The Spanish term gitano and the French term gitan may have the same origin as a reference to Egypt
You can deny they are 70-90% European genetically.
Calling a Romanian "Gypsy" is like calling a French "Arab" or a British "Pakistanian". How idiot can some people be to confuse a minority with the majority from a country? Is it so hard to understand these basic things:
- Gypsy / Zingaro / Rrom / Cigan - originating from India ( Punjab ) and minority in almost all European countries
- Romanians - Latin Europeans named? derived from Romans, the ancestors of all Latin people including Romanians
STOP THE CONFUSION GOD DAMN IT !!!
The Americas are also home to large numbers of Romani. There are an estimated one million Roma in the United States; and 800,000 in Brazil, most of whose ancestors emigrated in the nineteenth century from eastern Europe. Brazil also includes Romani descended from people deported by the government of Portugal during the Inquisition in the colonial era.[24] In migrations since the late nineteenth century, Romani have also moved to Canada and countries in South America
Gypsy
See also: Gypsy (term)
The English term Gypsy (or Gipsy) originates from the Middle English gypcian, short for Egipcien. It is ultimately derived from the Greek Αἰγύπτιοι (Aigyptioi), via Middle French and Latin. It was once believed that the Romanies, or some other Gypsy groups (such as the Balkan Egyptians), originated in Egypt, and in one narrative were exiled as punishment for allegedly harbouring the infant Jesus
we have Thracian blood, we and the Greeks are the single nations who lived here since ancient times, Slavs arrived here barely in 6-7 century, we are Dacians, "the most bravest of Thracians" like Herodoth said
Wow so gypsy=roma=romanian.. I must say these are definitely the classiest, most civilized Europeans I've ever seen.
I said Romanians aren't ROMANS: the inhabitants of ancient Rome.
I just find it ironic that the poster wants people not to confuse between Roma and Romanians and yet misnames the Romanians as "Romans".
Before I left for Rumania , my friends there asked me to find out what are the connection between "romi" and "romania".Even if I know now that it's just a misunderstanding , I can't but tell every1 that Rumania is indeed a gipsy country.Not sure if this guy rly did what my friends from there told me but if so , LONG LIVE "Eugen Grigore".
Please make the difference between Romanians and Gypsies.
Being an inhabitant of Romania is not the same as being a Romanian ethnic.
Romanians are of real European origin, and the native ethnicity of Romania.
On the contrary, Gypsies came from Northern India, and they spread across all Europe (Romania, Serbia, Hungary, Bulgaria, France, Germany, Spain, Greece, UK). Therefore, they are not Romanian ethnics.
Stop making confusion between Romanian ethnicity and Gypsy ethnicity!
This is not Romania, stop doing this. They are all over the world. I was in hospital one night when i gipsy girl was having birth to a child. Her mother was asking" What we have?" "it's a girl" the dr. said." A GIRL!? What we gonna do with a girl?" They choose this kind of life, but this is not Romania.Stop using this next to Romania. Instead of this, try to make some steps, for their own country.
Contemporary populations suggested as sharing a close relationship to the Romani are the Dom people of Western Asia and North Africa, and the Banjara of India.[50]
Historians and writers have suggested the emigration from India likely took place in the context of the raids by Mahmud of Ghazni[51] As these soldiers were defeated, they were moved west with their families into the Byzantine Empire.
you are talking abaout a ROMANIAN girl or a RRoma girl is a difference . A HUGE ONE !!!!
God Damn that Gypsy king wearing gold cloths. . . lol
I have nothing against gypsies..they are humans just like the rest of us...They deserve to be treated nicely...
And of course they are talented, too:) I had the opportunity to meet the Gypsy Kings band, and every time they come and play in the city where I am, I get the VIP access and celebrate with them...really, really nice people...
So for those who think they hate gypsy people, they need to stop and think again:there are good and bad people in evry nation...don't judge a book by its cover!
Hello Guys, i am from Romania.. and i need to say that is a true and beautiful story.
And c`mon,we need to admite, not all gypsies are thieves.
I respect their spirit, their dance, music and their nation. They will always be united, they are humans too, we need to learn form them how to live, how to love our kids,family and wife.and... thy need to learn from us to be polite and respectful...
Is the same shit in every country, not every in romania..italy..france..is not all about gypsies... :)
Yes they were transplants from Hungary during the wars with Ottoman Empire. When we go to Hungary we are viewed as half-Romanian and when we are in Romania we are viewed as Hungarians. Either way coming to America right before the Communist uprising was a good decision. You live in Romania, you should understand that and you should probably keep it respectful if you don't want sarcasm thrown back at you.
Why haven't they put the following question: How did they, kings and all kings of rich gypsies, make that much money to build such palaces? The answer is: stealing bribeing scamming others, so that they could make more and more money and let the others, less fortunate, suffer in their misery and being put apart because of them.
Westerner doesn't mean western European, if you talk about westerners as civilization and you have. I won't deny it, there is hatred towards gypsies, and it was formed trough centuries. You know that proverb "old habits die hard". Gypsies are more or less responsible because they refuse to integrate and respect our laws.
What makes me sick is your claim that Romanians are more racist that the western Europeans. You know it's not true.
For all gypsies: THE GYPSIES DOESN`T ARE ROMANIANS!
Why? Simple, in Romania they are gypsies and in another country they are romanians.
Many Romanies choose not to register their ethnic identity in official censuses. There are an estimated four million Romani people in Europe (as of 2002),[40] although some high estimates by Romani organizations give numbers as high as 14 million. Significant Romani populations are found in the Balkan peninsula, in some Central European states, in Spain, France, Russia and Ukraine. Several million more Romanies may live out of Europe, in particular in the Middle East and in the Americas.
Cheers and thanks journeyman ,these docs I think prove the power of internet...thanks again,from an increasingly informed u tuber.
Why are you posting this video? To hurt the image of Romania? This is why ppl say that gypsies are romanians even if it's not true. This is a big problem(with the gypsies)...they should be educated in schools and not be named "rroma ppl" because they are GYPSIES and they are all over the Europe
OK, it's a story about Gypsies. That do not forget. When you put that Romanian map as input somehow you say that this is about Romanian when actually it's about the lifestyle of Gypsies, a minority who do not represent us as a country...
This is a fascinating video. I learned so much from it. Thank you ever so!!
this are NOT romanian people...This are GYPSIE
I mean, people here may look like anything, but I'm worried about that friendly racism and the lack of reason for talking about Mexico
I'm very ashamed when somebody thinks Romanians are Roma(Gipsies)
You have no reasons to be racist. You have every reason to want to uphold the law of your land. There are plenty of white Romanians that do all the things you talk of.
She called them mexicans lmao
dude, ROME (not Roma) is the capital of Italy, it is not a country. They are talking about rroma, wich is the name the gypsyes call themselves. Think before posting crap
2 million? wtf are you fuckin kkidding me? 700.000 at most...
Romanians descend from Slavs much more so than Romans. At any rate, they are not Romans even if they bear some relation to them. Neither are the French, Spanish, or other Romance-speaking groups Romans.
Gypsy language is related to European languages both in terms of ultimate origin and also in terms of borrowed vocabulary. Gypsies are also related to Europeans due to miscegenation and perhaps primordially (Aryan theory). That does not necessarily make them Europeans.
Where the fuck is my Grenade?
I admit the europeans did destroy the native amer culture. last time i checked, the native americans were not 1st world. another point i will make is that the native americans were a culture and people for hundreds of years with more than enough time to develop technology to fight back. but this comment was towards the gypsie culture, not the native americans. so put your encyclepedia down, stop plagiarizing and stick to your native american videos. what do you make of that??
@DrStrangebomb1993 they SAY they call themselves "rroma" or "rromales" (note the double "r") and NOT "Roma"."rroma" is a word which they say it means "man"!Note that they were allowed to use this name for themselves by the anti-Romanian politicians of the 90s (right after the 89 revolution in Romania) & there are numerous Soros sponsored initiatives to support gypsies "right" to use this word for themselves.We call them "ȚIGANI" (from Greek atsiganoi) since this is the word since 17-th cent!
Lol, the emperor is the kings cousin? Man, this is a joke.
In 1350, Ludolphus of Sudheim mentioned a similar people with a unique language whom he called Mandapolos, a word which some theorize was possibly derived from the Greek word mantes (meaning prophet or fortune teller).[62]
Around 1360, a fiefdom, called the Feudum Acinganorum was established in Corfu, which mainly used Romani serfs and to which the Romani on the island were subservient
@Krisznyo a different dialect from us, their own language, that was formed in south, the Aromanian dialect that was split from Proto-Romanian, so if we would be Balkan migrants, that means we should speak now the Aromanian dialect, but we don't speak it, we speak the North Romanian dialect that we formed here during Roman Dacia, some theorist believe that the south Aromanians (Vlachs from Balkans) arrived from the north side of the Danube area also, a Greek chronicle mention this
Romania is the country of Romanian ethnics.
There is a great difference between Romanian ethnicity (of European origin) and Gypsy ethnicity (who came from Norther India).
Regrettably, most Gypsy ethnics are creating problems in Romania and have a lifestyle based on lawlessness.
But please make the difference between Romanians and Gypsies ; they are two different ethnicities.
i'm the fucking king of gypsys,MY NAME IS WILLIAM GORMAN>:3
If they were born in Romania then they are Romanian Gypsies
One disrespects her/himself when making racist statements.
We're all One brother.
@Krisznyo German historian Scholtzer affirms that the Volochs in the chronicles of Nestor are Vlachs These volochi are the offsprings of the ancient Thracians, Dacians, and Getai
Iosif Bánki (1764) writes: so great is the number of Romanians that they easily outnumber all the other nations of Transylvania combined.
now please shut up, you were owned
If you love the Gypsies so much, take them home and leave us Romanian alone, in our own country to live in peace :)
Romanians are not Magyars, maybe the ones mixed, and Magyars are more Slavic than Romanians, Romanians are from ex-colonist that Romans brought in Transylvania, Celtics, Germans, Italics etc, and also Thracian (Dacian) later with Slavic influence, Cumans only a small part of Oltenia and maybe
I am quite sure , but in Russia we hated them , because they have been known as rubbers. They would try to trick you , sell something . That is all i know.
Structura etnicā a populaţiei
României (recensamant 2002): romani 19,399,597 (89.47 %),
maghiari 1,431,807 (6.60 %), rromi (tigani) 535,140 (2.46 %), ucraineni 61,098 (0.28 %),
germani 59,764 (0.27 %)
@WWPSdvia I knew , i sad that ironically , because you have to correct your idea , they aren't Arabs , if you have an historical source that confirm your concept let me know .
They have the possibility to go to school, but they don't send the kids to school, not even till 4'th grade.
They don't like education. It should be made some special arts schools or something for them.
"People deserve to be treated as they act. Am i wrong for disliking people who steal everything they can come by and misbehave?" I agree with everything here. Just don't judge people by their ethnicity.
The UK got to where it is today by having some people like me trying to educate the people like you.
I dare you to look into the face of a smiling gypsy 2 year old girl and say that!
Oh for the record, I have a Romanian women who is scared of me now cuz I yelled at her.
This means that all Roma Groups ( Sinti, Kalderascha, Domari, Lalleri,Manusch, Lovara,Jarajay etc.) have their origin in India thats why most of them have a dark skin and the ones who have a more lighter skin have been mixed with european people...Romanians are Latin People...The only thing Romanians and Roma have similiar is the name...So Romanians why do you treat Roma people so bad? Only because they have a similiar name? Is this the fault of the Roma that european people mistake you withrom?
Because you are gipsy doesnt mean you are a bad man/woman just like all other people. There are good and bad people among them like all other tribes. Dont judge all people because of some idiots.
the child, from when it`s born until it dies ...is born in music, is born in fun....ha ha can you belive it???? what about those who are begging for money,or those who are mutilated by the parents to make us feel pity for them??? funny huh??
You're lucky if your girlfriend is really Romanian. Central-Eastern Europeans aren't more racist, but we haven't been brainwashed yet by political correctness so we have the guts to speak out our mind more freely. Also non-white people are pretty rare here, many Romanians have never met a black for example. Racism is not good, but sometimes it's understandable.
I have the impression you use eastern Europeans as a scape goat "look at 'em, they are more racist than us, we are cool then".
Ever since humans walked this earth no matter what country/ culture there have always been and always will be those who have privilege and those who have not.
Imi pare rau pentru tine ca esti asa de suparat pe toata lumea. Viata ta trebuie sa fie un chinm mai zambeste cateodata nu e greu!
for God sake,understand that romanians are not gypsies!!!!! romanians are latins and gypsies are indians...you can't understand this?or you have mental issues?
i know, but maybe 1 person does not have the right to judge others, thus i say that i was wrong about what i have said earlier, they have the right to live.
Eat Drink and Be Merry!! Festive music. My type of people.