Fram Ultra XG4967 Oil Filter, Fram Tough Guard TG4967 Oil Filter, Fram Extra Guard PH4967 Comparison
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- Опубликовано: 8 сен 2024
- Oil Filter Inspection.
Today we'll compare three Fram oil filters. Are these oil filters any good? Would you use them? Let's open them up and see what's inside!
Fram Ultra XG4967 oil filter: www.walmart.co...
Fram TG4967 oil filter: www.walmart.co...
Fram PH4967 oil filter: www.walmart.co...
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It's sad to see the pleat wave and poor (wide) spacing uniformity @ 3:21 on the unused cheapened media Ultra. Doesn't hold a candle to previous "OG Ultra" two ply full synthetic glass wire backed depth media. EG and TG fiber endcaps, typical Fram construction for as long as I can remember. Ultra is best here, but that's not saying much up against the two fiber cap options. Oh, Max should consider using the longer 4386 application over the shorty 4967. Same specs, just 3/4" longer, more media area. Thanks for vid.
Hifaxmen09👍
I'll pin your comment so it sits on top. These filters are dinky and I think any size larger would be an improvement. Thanks👍
@@WhipCityWrencher Yeah whip it's the same as using the 7317 in place of the 6607. Only difference, 4967/4386 use SAE threads instead metric used on 7317/6607.
@@faxmen09 Thats some good to know info, Thanks!👍
@@WhipCityWrencher You're welcome Whip! 👍
That's why I switched from the Ultra to the Titanium.😎 Wish Whip would have included a Titanium in this one also. Titanium is now the "OG" Ultra.
Fram ultra synthetic is one of the best bangs for the buck hands down ! My only gripe is it was $2 less expensive a year ago ! Darn hyperinflation !
Hi Scotty,
Yep, everything is up there. I went grocery shopping this morning, WOW!
I think you mean "Bidenomics"
Thank joe Biden
@chrispellicci6587 thank him for why everything has gone up. It's embarrassing that we're saddled with that guy. Shame on his wife for keeping her husband with dementia in that position.
I scored a bunch of ultra synthetics on a flash sale from amazon, they were on half price so $7 each here in canada, great value there I am set for awhile
Fram makes great filters. I’ve used plenty of them over the years.
I have used Fram for decades. Never a problem. Should not be if you change oil and filter like you are supposed to do. I use the silver one.
How nice of Max to send you these three filters! Great comparison as always! 👍
Have a Great Weekend! 👍
Thanks, Ella
Have a great weekend also!👍😊
All 3 looking good. Thanks for the content and donor of the filters. Wouldn't mind using either of the 3.. I never exceed 6 months or 6,000 mile oci's.
You're Welcome Dennis,👍
Thanks Max , thanks Whip and thank God it's Friday 👍
Hi Ken, LOL
Yes, TGIF 😂
Ultra for the win! "Friends don't let friends use oil filters without metal end caps!"
😊👍
Is all depends on application🙄Synthetic endisk are fine just look at acdelco filters or Toyota filters they don’t have no endisk or endcaps
Fram Ultra and Pennzoil Ultra... that's a winning combo. My 5.0 loves it. 😍
Friends don't let friends use Fram filters. If you hate your engine use a Fram filter
@@Tomcat71 I’ve used Fram since 1988 on my first car the VW Rabbit. Never had any issues.
I've used the Ultra for years with no problems, but now I'm leaning toward the Boss. So, it's "see ya later with my Purolator!"
Too bad purolator switched to imported filters now....I was disappointed when I saw the pure ones are made in Korea now.
Bought 2 Fram Ultra Synthetic filters in Feb 2024. Changed oil at 140530kms in my 5.2 liter 1995 dodge ram 1500 and at 143730kms noticed on cold start up it would take just under 4 seconds to read oil pressure on the dash gauge. When starting the engine warm there was no delay in oil pressure, It seems the drain back valve would not keep oil in the filter past a few hours. Changed the oil and filter at 143740kms and the second filter suffered the same failure at 145921kms, both filters failed being in use in less than 3200kms. I can only guess why both drain back valves failed as this is not something I've noticed in oil filters before, I can only be sure that I'll not be using these filters again.
Thanks for Sharing
My preference (yes comment chucker) would be the Ultra - the only one of the three to have endcaps not made of fiber/cardboard and the thicker anti-drainback valve. The can(n)isters are the same, the gaskets are the same, the baseplates are the same, the stamped metal retainer springs with bypass valve are the same. If it had to be Fram, I'd get the Ultra.
Thanks, Jeff👍
You know I haven't seen Chuck comment for about 2 months. His comments can be entertaining at times, and something else at other times. LOL. I hope he's okay.
I regularly use the Ultra. I refuse to use any filter with cardboard endcaps.
Gotta go with the Ultra. I don’t trust the felt end caps on the others.
Check out Cars N Toys RUclips channel he opens up a used orange Fram oil filter and the cardboard endcaps were still in tact. Also fordboss reccomends Fram filters as well they are great
How do you feel about OE filters with no end caps altogether?
the only time I would use a Fram filter is if I had no other option available for a reasonable price. unfortunately the OEM branded Honda Filter one of the lines is made by Fram, its likely the TG one. I really don;t like the non-metal endcaps. been using SuperTech Filters for years no issues. ST6607
► Thanks For Watching! I try to make an oil filter inspection video every Friday on this RUclips Channel, Thank You!
I prefer this apples to apples comparison over other videos comparing oil filters from different brands.
I saw the equivalent Toyota oil filter sold by Wal-mart for $7.47 - I think I would go with that one.
Hi Dave,
The Toyota filters are well made but as far as I know, the Fram Ultra has a better micron rating. You can't go wrong with either one. Thanks for the feedback👍
I personally use the XG filter for some of my twin-cylinders tractors, they are used for a period of one year and about 50 to 60 hours of operation. Never got any issues.
Hi Roberto,
Thanks for Sharing👍
If it says made in USA but might be assembled in Mexico? PH models use to be assembled in Mexico
Ultra is worth the risk. Nice test!
Thanks👍
Best bang for your buck here would be the Tough Guard it looked like it was put together pretty good not bad for $7
Be interesting to open all 3 up after filtering under the same condition to see which one caught more...
I prefer high performance filters for my camaro ss. I use Syntetic MOBIL M1113A or ACDELCO UPF48R
Here's one --> ruclips.net/video/a_8tuFadrnM/видео.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
What gets me is frams part numbers lol TG4967 is a Tough Guard, makes sense. But the Ultra Synthetic isn't a US, they use a XG4967 which you'd think would be an Extra Guard. Then Extra Guard is PH instead of XG lol
Yep,👍😊
I change my oil every 10k miles and have never used anything but a Bosch filter and havoline conventional oil and so far no issues with my jeep or my yukon, jeep has 253k miles and yukon has 302k miles, I live in a low dust area and do not beat my cars up nor do I do anything they where not built to do as in no hot-rodding, no extreme off-roading and no excessive towing.
I have a video showing this Sunday at Noon, that you will not want to miss.
Coincidently it's about a Bosch Premium oil filter.
I'll guarantee you have sludge in your engine!!
FRAM, always seems to be looking for the least they can get by with.! Cost cutting above all, like the thinner ADBV'S.!! I have a few suggestions for them to cut costs even further.! They should start using recycled toilet paper roll cardboard centers, for their center tubes.!! They would save money and, would definitely get a good bond with those matching end caps.!!!! They could also cut back on the amount of adhesive they use by a few ounces on each filter. I think kindergartners could do a better, neater, job than what we actually see every time one these are cut open.!! I honestly think that they know the average person is not aware of what and how they produce their finished product.!! The outside looks great so they sale like hotcakes.! They must get a great deal on the adhesives that they are using.! That is the the only place they don't scrimp on.!! THANKS WHIP!!!!!, for ALL OF YOUR TIME AND EFFORT.!!! BEST filter channel on the internet, by far.!!! I just wish you could get more subscribers.!! YOU DESERVE IT.!!!🤔🤔🙂🙂🙏🙏🙏🥇🥇🥇😉
Bahahaha, always said FRAM looks like shit 🧻🧻🪠 toilet paper media & plunger ADBV 😁
Thank You!👍
I appreciate it😊
As far as subs go, the channel is growing more each day. When I first started this channel I didn't know if it would take or not. It's very hard to get started and have a good audience that keeps coming back to watch. I'm one of the lucky ones. I'm very grateful for all that watch every week and without you Guys/Gals there would be no channel. So Thank You Very Much!👍🙌
Great job Pete as usual
Thanks, Dwayne👍
I have to give this one too the Ultra but was surprised that the media of the tough guard is better than Danso of last week. thanks, great video
You're Welcome bud👍
Thanks!
That’s crazy that the same oil filter has been in use 20yrs later I say that because my 1996 Camry uses the same filter….it’s only got 243k and kicking hard
Another good comparison of the oil filters. The Ultra seems to be the better of the three. TFS Pete. Have an awesome weekend! Merri :)
Hi Merri,
Thank You, though it's not supposed to be very nice out there, have a Great weekend also!😊
Thank you for another great and informative video! Fram Ultra is definitely a bargain for such good quality. I’ve used all 3 though and never had any problems.
You're Welcome Todd👍
If I had to use Fram it would only be the Ultra... but I only put WIX XP with Pennzoil Ultra Platinum Full Synthetic. Best combination I've ever used.
Please save these to compare to the Toro 136-7848 filter. Those would also fit on the Toro made engine on the Toro zero turns. Thanks Max from Florida for sending these in. Great videos Pete, you do a great job explaining things.
Thanks, Charles,
Yep, I still have these filters but I'll probably only compare one. You pick which one? 👍
@@WhipCityWrencher go with the orange one if you could. I’ve used the orange Fram for 20 years with out any thought in my previous John Deere LT 180 with the Kawasaki v-twin 17hp. You can mention that in the video if you wish. Gave that mower to my sister and still use orange Fram filter because I can get it at Home Depot or Walmart. It’s been a fine filter in my opinion never any issues. I use synthetic Mobil 1, 10W-30. Got about 1900 hrs on it and it starts as easy as it was new. Replaced the fuel lines, took off the hydrostatic transmission and dumped out the fluid and refilled with fresh Mobil 1, 15W-50. New belts too. My sister got one hell of a deal.
Before watching your videos never gave oil filters a second thought. I find it very interesting seeing how different companies make them.
I’ll probably go with the Orange Fram after the 3 year Toro warranty since I’ve had great luck with that filter over so many years. Thanks so much for making the videos. You’d be a great neighbor.
PS. I was a Power Generation Mechanic in the Army for 8 years and helped the wheeled Mechanics often because they had so much work.
@@NorthlanderMN Thank You for your service!👍
Your sister did get a heck of a deal.😊 But that's what good brothers do and hopefully, she appreciates it.
I'll try and make the video as good as I can and I'll keep you up to date. Thanks Again!
@@WhipCityWrencher thanks so much! Enjoy your weekend!
Only way to beat a Fram Ultra is with the Fram Titanium (sold at Advance Auto Parts only), which still uses the old Ultra wire-backed pink media that scored great in actual ISO 45348-12 performance tests for filtering efficiency, low pressure drop, & dirt holding capacity.
Rumors are that the Fram Titanium might be starting to be made with new media, not as good maybe, so I bought 2 Titaniums in my size just in case. The Titanium even beats the new Fram Endurance, all clues indicate, although the new Fram Endurance is pretty great too.
Fram is putting a lot of choice out there ! Endurance, Ultra, Titanium, ToughGuard, ExtraGuard, all will basically work OK.
Thanks👍
I think the New Endurance beats the Fram Ultra, but just below the Metal-backed Titanium. Now If they are changing the Titaniums (no wire backing) then I would have to put the Endurance on top of them all.
@@WhipCityWrencher Whip, the Fram Endurance really looks exactly like it is sourced off the identical production line as the Royal Purple oil filter. I say this from the way the media looks, but also by the 4548-12 Ascent Filtration Labs test done on the Royal Purple about a year ago, which shows the Royal Purple matching Fram's filtration efficiency claim for their new Endurance line.
Fram Endurance and the clone Royal Purple are OK, but they don't hold enough dirt before clogging, and pressure drop is too much, all compared to the pink-media Fram Titanium (like the old Fram Ultra, not the the new Fram Ultra).
These are NOT "big" problems though. More pressure drop just creates more & longer bypass events, not great.
From Ascent Filtration's 4548-12 testing, actual valid lab engineering tests, rare to see:
(summarized by user RDY4WR on Speed-Talk & bobistheoilguy)
We see the old Fram Ultra pink-media wire-backed one (Fram Titanium now, for the time being anyway), always ranks in the top 2 in each important category:
In order of efficiency at capturing particles 20 um and larger...
#1 Fram Ultra - 99.96%
#2 Royal Purple - 99.08%
#3 ACDelco Gold - 96.49%
#4 Purolator Boss - 61.80%
#5 Wix XP - 61.61%
In order of flow by pressure drop through the filter at a steady 30 LPM... (higher pressure drop = less flow)
#1 Wix XP - 4.98 psid
#2 Fram Ultra - 5.23 psid
#3 Purolator Boss - 6.82 psid
#4 ACDelco Gold - 6.82 psid
#5 Royal Purple - 8.84 psid
In order of loading capacity before clogging...
#1 Wix XP - 18.1 grams
#2 Fram Ultra - 13.6 grams
#3 Purolator Boss - 12.5 grams
#4 Royal Purple - 10.1 grams
#5 ACDelco Gold - 9.1 grams
@@softwaresignals If I remember correctly that was an old Fram Ultra that he did a test on? Anyway, I agree I think the Fram Endurance Media is probably the same as the Royal Purple media, and probably the same as the Amsoil filter media. The New Fram Endurance filter media is nothing like any of the Fram Ultras that were ever made. Totally a different media. I'm going to compare them but It won't be for a while because just too many projects and not enough time. I think the Old Ultra was better than the Endurance but I would take the Endurance over the Ultra that they make now. Also, I want to add, the Titanium filter media is not the same as the New Ultra being made now, the Fram Titanium filter media is more like the old Fram Ultra media. Watch the video. ruclips.net/video/d5ULRcCNy5E/видео.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
@@softwaresignals Wow nice info. Sooo in summary an engine will last more with a WIX XP if you change the oil before 5,000 miles?
@@junboo8730 Wix XP (NAPA Platinum clone) is set up like a racing oil filter: It filters poorly, but it flows well (low pressure drop) and holds a lot of dirt, and is wire-backed. Negative is that it did fail the bubble test (leaks thru the bypass IIRC) in the Ascent Filtration 4518-12 tests.
Best is the Fram Titanium, which is like the old Fram Ultra.
The new Fram Ultra looks decent, but is a bit unknown right now, so Fram Titanium wins about all the prizes currently.
Fram Endurance (Royal Purple clone) has some negative performance attributes, but not too bad, acceptable.
I think Fram Titanium makes an engine last longer since it filters best, etc., not Wix XP or NAPA Platinum.
Since I do not own anything with modern complicated VVT, I don't mind any of them for the prices. Having said that, he should stick to the Toyota filter. Anything with modern VVT should not run anything lower than the Ultra IMO. Thanks for the video!
Hi Spanky,
You're Welcome👍
Just used the ultra for my 2015 Yaris
You'll need to do an update on this later down the road. These filters have been changed to Supertech construction for TG and PH series. Another video on here has shown new PH. XG/titanium line going amsoil/royal purple/endurance construction without fancy media and wire backing. PH is now nylon ecore and medal end caps, while XG now has loveurs instead of holes.
I'll wait till my Walmart gets all of the New filters.
I still would buy oem filter. The only way I'd buy fram, is if nothing else to buy. Great video!
100% agree
Thanks, Ed👍
These are Toyota Filters!!! (they fit Toyotas) For anyone wondering!! 3/4"-16 threads on the base - Also The Fram Ultra is not synthetic "blend" it's dual layer... one layer of 100% Synthetic and another layer of Cellulose Blend
I have used all three filters one time or another without any issue. After seeing them side by side I will probably omit the orange can from hear on out.
If I HAD to pick one, I'd pick the Ultra, but honestly, I wouldn't pick any of them,. The Extra Guard looks like it was made by somebody with a hangover.
🤣🤣🤣🤣........
The EG looks like the roll left on the floor & they missed the bowl when puking up before the hangover 🧻🤮🚽
🤣🤣 good one Jim, LOL
I just looked up the price for these filters here in Canada. Ontario specifically. Almost double the price here at our major auto parts store. I'll stick with the Wix made filters from the dealership at a more reasonable price or from Amazon.
Thanks for the Canadian price info👍
walmart! xtra guard is less than 10$
Ultra has the finest media to get best filtration, but it also means it restrict the flow the most which you don’t want, test shows Ultra get back pressure of 25psi and Mobile 1 only get 21psi, I will go Mobile 1.
Where have you seen that test?
Thanks for the feedback👍
ruclips.net/video/rqDjCzyYUOU/видео.html
A Fram Sandwich -- great review Whip City.
Tasty, LOL😋
Thanks Chris👍
The Whip-Man does it again!!!
😊Thanks!👍💯
Thanks Max!
Stix with Wix 😎
I RECOGNIZED THAT NUMBER!' For many years I bought Frams for my 97 Camry! All that time, I was buying cardboard end caps! 😠😡 I changed every 3,000 miles so didnt matter much & car ran like a top w/265,000 miles on it. When I changed oil, I'd lift a little higher on driver's side to drain every drop of oil. It would be like new for 1,000 miles! NOW, I use nothing but Toyota filters for my 2019 Prius every 5,000 miles & its STILL clean next change. Changing too often? NO WAY! U get what u pay for. 😉👍🖖🇺🇸
PS Toyota filters are CHEAPER than Fram!! 🤔
Thanks for Sharing👍👍
vehicle = 2008 GMC Sierra 1500 WT - purchased new in 12/ 2008 - has original 4.3 V6 - other than spark plugs and wires, one temp sender, and one thermostat; nothing has been replaced on the engine
current mileage = 413,124 ( just went and looked )
total number of oil & filter changes ( including one last Sunday - I change my own ) = 17 ( once a year until 2020 when I semi-retired and now twice a year )
average yearly mileage up to date of semi-retired = 30,000 ( now about half that )
runs fine, does not smoke, has a couple of minor oil weeps
which filter did I use ? -- and which oil ? = the cheapest that WalMart sold ( usually the entry Fram and Havoline non-synthetic in the 6 quart cardboard box )
Is the engine going to blow-up tomorrow ? ---- maybe : but if it does, I have saved enough on the cost of oil and filters in the last 15 years to totally rebuild the engine twice over if and when it does
what kills most engines is failure to CHECK the oil level more so than failure to change - I check the oil level at least twice a week and always before any trip 100 miles or longer
Hi bones,
Wow, thanks for all the info. I owned a 1991 S10 with a 4.3 V6, Good engine, I wonder if they are the same?
@@WhipCityWrencher ---- basically : it has the same bolt pattern as all the other small block Chevys - it's nothing but a 350 with two cylinders cut off - literally - I had a 93 with the 4.3 that blew a head gasket at 317,000 or so miles - decided to rebuild it rather than just slap a set of gaskets on - bought a set of pistons, rings, mains, and rod inserts for a 350 v8 because they were cheaper by far than a set for the v6 - that engine also had oil & filter changes once a year - in 2008 I gave it to a guy I knew , and it had a little over 425,000 still going strong
@@bonesrhodes3762 I had a couple of the 350s back in the day, they were pretty good engines. I had one in my 69 Camaro which I had to rebuild because it spun a bearing "not the original engine", it had the 4 bolt mains, I think the guy I bought it from said it came out of a truck and a 73 Camaro which had a 307 in it and I put in the 350. Wow did it go then! Fun Days for sure. Thanks for Sharing!👍
TG for me,best bang for the buck at 5k oci.
A little bit of paper filter for several dollars more.
They could make all filters as good as the best for pennies more than the worst.
What a scam. But hey, they gotta sell a variety of stuff to stay in business.
I wish there was a Synthetic filter available that was as thick as the old Fram Ultra ... it was like 1.6mm thick and even the new Fram Enduance Synthetic is 0.8 or 0.9mm thick.... they literally "dont make em like they used to"
Hi C L,
Unless they changed the Fram Titanium, I think it's the same media as the Old Ultra. Check it out.
ruclips.net/video/d5ULRcCNy5E/видео.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
The endurance is frams answer for engines that need more oil flow. I guess people had to shy away from ultras because it was too restrictive for some vehicles like certain Chevy engines etc.
@@WhipCityWrencher I heard the Titanium is getting switched to the new style just like the new Ultra... :(
@@CL-yp1bs I heard that too, we'll see. Thanks!
Thank you for your videos
You're Welcome, Jenson👍
I change every 6 months, use Fram TG, so it doesn’t matter.
it is sad to see the ultra quality going down , i have used these forever but now ??? i want to send you a few filters to compare also for my 5.3 chevy , i am leaning real hard towards the premium guard EX filter - Thanks again for the great video
You're Welcome,
Send me an email and I'll give you my address. Poker4me007@gmail.com
I love Fram
The XG is the only one worth buying.
I still wouldn’t use a Fram Extra Guard oil filter even if it was the last filter on earth. Great video Pete!
Thanks Robert
Tell Max the longer filter for the 4967 is the 4386.
Thanks for another good one. I know the Ultra is superior but I hate the way the pleats look saggy and lazy compared to others you have reviewed. Is the media just soft or just plain cheap.
Thanks, Clyde
The Top synthetic layer (filtering side) is very soft, If you watch at the end of the video I show the two layers you can see that it's a very soft (top layer). I would take the New Endurance over the Ultra that is being made now.
Thanks, Pete and Max
There is no way I would use an oil filter with cardboard end caps. Why would anyone use them? The Ultra was clean and well built. The new Ultra cartridge filters made in Brazil are such a disappointment. I will be reaching out to you Pete to send one to you for review. Is there a cartridge filter that you would like to compare the new Fram cartridge to? It is for the 3.6 Pentastar.
You are correct Jonathan, same as new Ultra XG media doesn't hold a candle to OG Ultra, new made in Brazil Pentastar cartridge not close to previous made in S. Korea cartridge. The bean counters at First Brands are chasing the bottom line.
Hi Jonathan,
Thanks. You pick the duel. 😊LOL
Awesome video!!! From worst to best.. Except for the new Fram Synthetic Endurance coming to walmart!!!
Nice videos, I did an oil change with that Mobile 20,000 mile stuff a couple of years ago on my moms old 2.4l 2009 Mitsubishi gallant.
Stay away from that stuff, half the oil leaked out of the front main and I was out of town for the winter. The Engine got damaged, and now sounds like a big diesel motor with no muffler. It burns oil, more so in the winter, but gas mileage has not decreased. I though my front main seal went bad again because I had to change it when I did the timing belt 40K miles earlier. I ordered a new one, but then noticed once I put regular oil back in it, it didn't leak or really burn much all summer.
Do you have an adress where subscribers can send you oil filters that fit their cars? I’ve been wanting to send you some
Hi Mike,
Email me in about a month, I have a lot of filters right now waiting to be opened. My Email is, Poker4me007@gmail.com
Hey friend full watch great sharing 👍
Thanks, freind👍
I think the TG is built like the old EG used to be (long time ago). Not much of a difference between those 2. I noticed that the Endurance is on their website now and a 'Walmart exclusive'. I'd like to see the current Titanium against the Endurance. That Endurance looks like it probably has better flow than the Titanium or Ultra. The FE8A is priced at $12.97 almost same as the FS8A. I'm going to try the Endurance. I see on their description they say the tapping plate is HD but nothing about the can being thicker, though it was. I would probably take the flow over the double media.
Hi Vince,
I will do a comparison in the future but I heard they are changing the Fram Titaniums (dropping the metal screen backing) so if this is true I want to wait a while and make sure.
Thanks Pete! I think either the Ultra, Titanium, or Endurance are all great filters and I would use any of them. There's just minor differences between them. My belief is that the Endurance was developed because these new direct injected engines with variable valve timing and modulated displacement are controlled by the oil and are VERY sensitive to viscosity or oil flow changes outside what they're designed for. Each Mfr has many TSB's on the subject.
They tout 'flow' on the Endurance. Some of the filter brands have backed off of their mileage recommendations and instead say to refer to the manufacturer's default recommendations. Most of my cars are old and I use 3k oil and filter changes so any would be fine for me.
I bought a Titanium last month and it still had the screen. Hard to read the date because of the crinkle paint. Sometime late '22. If they do change it, no reason to buy a Titanium anymore. The Endurance would be the 'Top Dog'. That single layer media isn't bad and is perfectly fine for low mile OCI.
The thing about Fram that's infuriating is they have more filter 'grades' than you can shake a stick at with one minor change between them sometimes. And then sometimes, like with the Endurance, they mashup all the existing features and come up with something completely 'new'. I think they're trying to capture every possible segment of the filter market with minimal investment. Anyway, I wouldn't buy the Titanium just for the 'inlet holes'. It would be just a minor upgrade from an Ultra and not worth the price. It's OK as is.
@@vincemajestyk9497 👍👍
I'd go with the ULTRA but that filter was so small the metal end caps seemed to consume half the filters surface area.
I honestly don't mind the fiber end caps. I'd also consider the TOUGH Guard as well. More filter media there it seems.
faxmen09 mentioned what I was thinking about using a different filter altogether those particular filters seemed so small.
I'd go ULTRA and take faxmen09's suggestion using a different filter altogether (4386).
Nice review, interesting comparisons ! 👍
Thanks drum👍
Love cardboard end caps.my cars get better gas mileage because of the weight
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Looks like the last one dollar on the Ultra makes all the difference
i miss your videos showing the bottom of the filters through the hole in the center to check for apparent glue that may enter the engine as i do not buy those filters that bring dangerous glue in the oil return flow to the engine
Hi Enrico,
If I see it I point it out, but this being a 3-way filter comparison I have to cut some corners to make the videos shorter. Thanks for bringing that up though, sometimes I forget, but I'll try and remember to keep a close eye on that excess glue.👍
@@WhipCityWrencher Thank you for your attention
@WhipCityWrencher.. Those are not Cardboard.. they are fiber and much stronger than the filtering material. Go check out Frams youtube channel and a video titled fiber vs metal end discs..
Yes, I know that,
I just call them cardboard along with thousands of others because that's what they look like, Here's what FRAM says about the end caps:
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End caps in the FRAM Extra Guard® and FRAM Tough Guard® filters are constructed from engineered fiber. FRAM has manufactured over two billion filters this way because with the plastiol glue this material allows for a superior seal with the filter media than does steel. Honda, Subaru, Bentley, Roll Royce and Nissan all use fiber end caps in OE filters. BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, GM and many others use only fleece for an end cap, and Toyota weaves the ends of the filter media together and uses no end cap at all.
@@WhipCityWrencher Yes I figured you knew this Whipper.. but the problem is.. a huge percentage of your subscribers literally think these end caps are made of literal cardboard.. which would disintegrate in frying hot oil I would guess in less than a day.. These guys think it is cardboard... It would be great if you could point this out as they use this as a reason to avoid Fram. LOL
@@memopadilla5931 You know I get caught up in the cardboard endcaps and it's easy to say when doing a video. I fixed the video as best as I can. Check it out now at 4:40 . Thanks 👍
@@WhipCityWrencher Thank you for the annotation. It's quite disingenuous to call them cardboard when they are not. Absolutely nothing wrong with fiber end caps, if priced appropriately, despite what the Wix propaganda machine has claimed for decades. The OE filters for many European makes have similar or no end caps altogether.
Looks like Fram is using some really good media in all three filters. Those cardboard endcaps are a no-go for me, however.
Thanks, Gary👍
How about oil pressure? How could a filter that filters too much affect the engine? The oil flow and pressure cannot be the same.
There has to be a happy medium, that's why I wouldn't run a filter for more than your oil change, around 5K miles. 20K or 25 K is ridiculous.
@@WhipCityWrencher Totally agree.
I have a question im driving from California to Texas ill be putting around 4K milles total i was thinking if it's ok to put the orange can with cheaper full synthetic oil and when i come back change the oil and the filter to a better quality?
You should be fine. Highway miles are the easiest on your engine, oil, and filter.
IMO, a good cheap combo is Supertech FS oil with a Supertech MP oil filter.
Thanks!
@@WhipCityWrencher awesome thanks!😎👍
@@joseRodriguez-pk9ld You're Welcome👍
Have a safe trip🚙
If you hate your engine, use a Fram filter.
would those larger end caps, on the Ultra, reduce oil flow?
Does the difference in the filters actually make a difference? If it does, in what way?
I always use the top of the line parts for my 2001 Mazda Tribute, bought new. After 263,000+ miles, it seems to have payed off.
Thanks, RJB
Well you know the saying you get what you pay for and I think most of the time that applies to oil filters as well.
From what I see the cardboard end caps can loosen uo and eventually get into the system. I would say go to another brand, but the ultrasynthetic one is acceptable. The other two aren't something I would trust.
I looked at a Fram Ultra filter today at Walmart and the base plate had tiny inlet holes, nothing like the base plate in the video. The inlet holes were so small I would not buy the filter
Hi, jack
The size of the inlet holes depends on the filter size. Thanks👍
@@WhipCityWrencher It was a fram ultra 3600 for a 5.3L silverado, I do my own oil changes and have never seen such small inlets holes like the one I saw at Walmart, something has changed
@@jackfrost-fu7hz I did open up a TG3600 2 1/2 years ago, seems longer than that. Anyway, the one I opened up had good size inlet hole. Here's the video. ruclips.net/video/U2hthVtXmLE/видео.html&ab_channel=WhipCityWrencher
Bruh should I buy ultra synthetic or boss for my xse hybrid?
I like the Boss oil filters.
How do the cardboard end caps hold up after the rated miles of usage?
The exact same as they are when new, they aren’t actually cardboard. I’ve ran several extra guards, a tough guard, and a Force. Cut them all open and they all looked perfectly fine
Hi Astro,
I just call them cardboard along with thousands of others because that's what they look like, Here's what FRAM says about the end caps:
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End caps in the FRAM Extra Guard® and FRAM Tough Guard® filters are constructed from engineered fiber. FRAM has manufactured over two billion filters this way because with the plastiol glue this material allows for a superior seal with the filter media than does steel. Honda, Subaru, Bentley, Roll Royce and Nissan all use fiber end caps in OE filters. BMW, Mercedes, Porsche, GM and many others use only fleece for an end cap, and Toyota weaves the ends of the filter media together and uses no end cap at all.
@@WhipCityWrencher in my wife’s RAV4 that doesn’t have any end cap. It sucks taking the plastic thing off, It’s messier. Toyota went back to metal can oil filters again.
Yeah you guys bought the cheapest 1.99 oil filter from rock auto and used it to compare to theToyota brand . In reality the oem filter is "ok", not the best by any means compared to others on the market
here in canada: 8, 12, 15
what a ripoff.
Let's make oil filters as cheap as possible. We will use our name and peddle to unsuspecting buyers.
Good video Pete. FRAM IS GARBAGE. 😢 orange can of death for your car. 🚖🚘🚙🚗🚕🏎️
Thanks, John
Looks like you survived the St. Patricks Day Parade, festivities. LOL
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Those cardboard endcaps gotta go.
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Wix is better
I avoid Fram like the plague.
Mechanic friends don't let anyone put a fram on . Its common knowledge in the industry that fram is the worst filter available.
I cant say they are the worst but I'm no fan of the synthetic/cardboard endcaps either.
Jay the Florida pool pump motor repair guy. When Service Calls Longwood approved ! that was good info 2 see & know👨🔧good job !! WCW
Thanks, Jay👍