With such limited space in my lounge, I've had the rears on the wall right behind my head. Now after watching this I've moved them into each corner facing upwards. Massive difference. Thanks Z 👌👌
Holy moly you're right. I did it with my cheap Panasonic speakers laying them against the wall and point upwards and now it sounds like the best ones for the rear
Haaaa I been using my rear speakers pointing straight up the walls with budget 6 inchers for over 20 years! finally someone that understands it does work!
Z your apartment or house or whatever is so versatile in the utility that you get out of it. It has everything that I would ever want stored neatly in one room. It is reminiscent of japanese one-room apartments that have to cram everything into a small space. Your bike being hung up, your small kitchen, your projector hidden in your wall. It is all very satisfying.
Wow, I did move the rears higher and further back and holy shi% the difference it makes was outstanding! I did also play with the direction making them shoot the sound toward the back wall. The result is amazing. thanx z love your videos. And as what you said experience with them it is free.
I have 11.2 set up. My top front, sides and rear are the sound appeals. Top middle are in ceiling miccas. Sounds awesome. Zeos is 100% spot on. Do not spend a small fortune on surrounds. Good advice Zeos.
@zeos you the man! After years of telling myself I don't have the space for sourround speakers I went on and did your wall hack, now I finally enjoy a sourround sound and it totally works! 😄. Thank you for the great advice. Keep on the best audio reviews ever 👏👏👏👏
This was a solution i also came up with, my father didn't want to mount rear channel speakers. My solution was down beside the couch and chair pointing up, and same that nice general sound wash as it bounced off the ceiling. Just perfect. I heard an interesting suggestion to mount the Fluance sideways to get an up and down shot with the sound rather than a wide dispersion.
My rear channels are some Sharps that I found at a Goodwill for $5 a piece. Still blows people's minds when demoing for people that have never really heard a surround setup before. I hear you Zeos!
after i saw the video i directly tried your flipping the speaker upside down trick and you´re right! it sounds awsome, even when my rear speakers already are quite high up on walls it still sounds much more spread out and immersive. this is some black magic vodoo i would never thougt of trying this before seeing your videos, thank you! :D
You should do more 101 videos Z. Just you rambling knowledge. Do some for room acoustics, televisions/projectors, headphones, amplifiers, AVR settings, tips tricks, etc. They're really entertaining to watch and can learn some new shit!
"It's free to move speakers around." Absolutely! I just watched an interview with Andrew Jones where he said he'll spend a good day for an event making little adjustments to a speakers position and location in a room.
And you can't listen to what the reviewers say work for them because it will likely be different for you. The reviewers said the Klipsch work best not toed in. I have to point them straight at me to get the bass hum out.
Got to say this worked wonders in my small dedicated theatre! Z this is genius, with side surrounds pointed into the room your absolutely right it’s sounds like a speaker, with them pointing up it’s a wall of sound that is the closest I have got to a real cinema sound field in my room. If you think about it a commercial theatre you never localise the surround speakers due to large room acoustics and the array of multiple side channels, it’s more to support and envelope the front sound and that is exactly what pointing the speakers up gives you in a small room. This theory is also backed up on the audioholics site where they opt for diffused dipole and bipole surround in small theatres. Genius and looks absolutely fine in my dedicated theatre on wall brackets
Actually, as we move to Atmos, a greater number of speakers are used and objects are able to be moved around the room - and you should be able to locate where they're coming from. That is what the producers and engineers intend. If you took a movie like that and washed the walls with sound, as those sounds go through the back channels, they would sound much larger and more diffuse than they are supposed to, and you would hear a clear difference as compared to the front. The idea with Atmos is the sound should have the same character wherever it is moved about the room. Z is right that this works for 5.1 or 7.1 setups, but we're at a crossroads and we're moving away from this kind of setup. Of course, that mostly won't apply to budget home theaters and living room setups where you can't install speakers all over the walls and in the ceiling, so Z's method works in this scenario.
@@matsudakodo yea actually atmos in my setup actually sounds better with the speakers pointing up and somehow the objects become even more oriented in space, especially between the front and surround speakers.
I had those micca 8" in my ceiling at my office. After business hours I'd poor myself a whiskey and let me tell you just two of those at about 8 ft apart diagonal to the room (like rolling a deuce on the die) blew my mind. Just 60 watts driving them and it was quite amazing the sound.
4:50 When I was watching Stranger Things recently on 5.1, with two normal rear speakers, there was a clear directional scream from the monster that came from the rear right speaker... and it frightened the living sh*t out of me! I'm not sure if it would have had the same effect of it came from a bidirectional speaker.. I seriously thought the fu*ker was right there behind me like..
I have had dozens of side/rear surround speakers over the years. Bought a pair of used JBL 8330's off ebay and will not even consider anything else. Powerful, dynamic and crystal clear.
I am on an "old Zeos"s HT video's" kick lol. Just a pro tip update. If your goal is Dolby Atmos (and it should be), do not use di-pole or bi-pole. ALL speakers should be directional. " Dolby recommends direct-radiating surround positioned at roughly ear-height for . ... So, adhere recommendations, the answer is yes, replace your current dipolar surrounds with direct-radiating installed at ear-height."
Higher quality speakers for surrounds have significant value when you utilize full 7 channel stereo going in larger rooms when entertaining. Just saying.
Eh. If you are filling in music in that mode it is a different ballgame entirely. That is sound reinforcement. I'd be amazed if anyone uses it that way more than a few hours a year.
This is the first of your videos i've seen, and it cracked me up :). I've got two questions for you though. 1) What would you recommend for surround placement if one side is open to the rest of the house,and the surrounds will probably have to live on or near the end tables at either side of the sofa? The sofa is up against the wall. 2) I've wanted to add some atmos channels in ceiling one day. Would pointing these straight up at the wall screw with that?
The monolith 265 THX Atmos I use for my rears are phenomenal. Little on pricey side, $550. pair. I wish would seen this before, purchasing the 265 ,but I have no regrets easy set up.
Speaking about DYI with the yoga mat , i found the best vibration insulation the mats for washmachines. For couple bucks you get a heavy duty rubber mat you can cut into pieces as well :)
Holy SHIZNIT, you just saved me some money! I bought a full set of JBL 530s (also thanks to you) to create a 5.1 system which I absolutely love but I was not happy with the 530s as rears because they were so locatable. So I just yanked the banana plugs out, laid them on their backs flush up against the rear wall and OMFG! It completely solved the problem & sounds like a whole new system! Thank you, thank you, thank you! Now I don't have to worry about buying some bipoles which were gonna be a completely different brand and sound signature since JBL doesn't make any bipoles to go with the Studio 5s. Now I've got everything matching AND sounding bomb! BOMB BOMB BOMB!!! I'm beyond happy with this hack
@Michael MacDonald, how did you mount the OMW3s? I have that situation that Zeos told where my couch is against the walls (rear and side). It´s a 2.6meters couch and I was thinking about replace my Micca Covo-S with a pair of Polk OWM3 (and another pair for ATMOS), since Zeos reviewed it and said they are amazing close (desktop) listening. Here is a picture of my syrrounds today: www.dropbox.com/s/5huywqxsd7lwzjk/20292584_10154786011517308_5224998341714145289_n.jpg?dl=0
i dont have room for a 7.1 so ive been running a 6.1 with a single back channel which is a old center channel speaker vertical on the floor wedged between my coach and the back wall. been running it for months and it works good enough for how little i ask for it.
Going to try this with my Cerwin Vega XLS-6 surrounds. My ceiling is not flat but vaulted so I'm interested to see how the sound reflects. I do have the localized sound issue because they are placed at about 100 degrees behind my sofa due to space constraints. We'll see.
Zeos, outstanding video... just took off my mirage rear omni speakers that were mounted on the wall that touches the couch. I had some old martin logan bookshelf speakers and fired them up on each side of the couch. it is VERY mucho grande! I am thinking about putting the Mirage omni up as my dolby atmos up fires in front...
I've got some no name small speakers for rears on a laptop that sit on top of sticky pads. Yeah, the ones folks use for their cell phones in cars. They work great and cost like $3 each. Does a great job.
Atmos spec allows full-range signals to all speakers, even surrounds. Recommend speakers with a -3dB point no higher than 75Hz so it can handle 80Hz with ease, then cross to subs.
Ant-Man, Bathtub Scene Arrival, Yes Sicario, Leaving Juarez Birdman, FFFF drums Blade Runner 2049, The parts where it is the future Children of Men Coriolanus, Gun Battles Dark Knight Dredd 2012, The scene where everyone shoots things Dunkirk, Yes Edge of Tommorow, Yes Fury, When tanks shooty things Gravity, Eh it sounds great Great Gatsby, THAT SOUNDTRACK Heat, Bank Getaway Hot Fuzz, Trust me this movie has amazing audio Inception Incredibles Interstellar John Wicks, Both Jurassic Park, T-Rex Escape Krampus, Ive Heard is great Lone Survivor, THAT scene Mad Max Fury Road, All of it Master and Commander, Opening scene Oblivion, When those balls scream. SO GOOD Pacific Rim, Foyts Prometheus, In things Revenant, Outside stuff.... Rush, Cars make vroom Saving Private Ryan, Beach Landing Sherlock Holmes, Both Signs, Subtle sounds Snowpiercer, Trains are loud Starship Troopers Tron Legacy, Games Wall-E, Pissed off Eve Watchmen, Every part except when Adrian pulls the slug out of his hand at the end and when he drops it the fucking Foley guy plays the sound of a shell casing falling instead of a slug and ruins the whole fucking experience and now that you read this you can never un-hear what I said. Whiplash, Drums usually Wreck it Ralph, Stuff add your own.
I don't have any way to mount things on the side walls of my viewing room, so instead of 7.x I went with 5.x. I really never looked at dipoles. The biggest upgrade I ever made was to add height speakers and Dolby Atmos processing: 5.2.4 and it's stupendous. 5 Martin Logan LX-16 as the base level including center + 4 Klipsch RP-140SA ceiling mountable height speakers (can also be used as upwards firing Atmos speakers) + 2 Elemental Designs 15-inch subs.
I wanted to try using DML speakers since they are flat panel speakers that create omnidirectional sound and you can disguise them as artwork, but it has problems reaching lower frequencies. Maybe the bigger panels will reach lower frequencies. I'll try one of these days. The drivers are literally $30 and you just buy a 2x4 insulation board.
Is what you found pretty much what Amar Bose was preaching back in the 70's with his direct/ radiating speaker designs. Bounce the sound off of your walls and ceilings.
Z Reviews I'd literally pay for that... Well to meet you, you can keep the hitting. Also I found no paperwork and studies about upfiring side/rear channels, very strange
I love you! I am that guy with the couch up against the wall and rears a couple feet off to the side. My living room is really small so not much else I can do for now. I was going to mount them but now I feel I'm just going to leave them on the floor!
The reason I'm watching your video is because I'm not entirely happy with how directional my rears are. I'm in the shoot myself in the head category at the moment. I also have them set 3db lower than the fronts. As I understand they shouldn't be too prominent but they are directional but reducing the power does sound better than before . I found the speaker facing up proposition really interesting. Although without running wires up my wall that is directly behind my seating position. I enjoyed the video had some laughs and got some good ideas! And will be trying the face up speaker idea
Most of the old original better 1980s -1990s Dolby movie theater setups had the surrounds up pretty high on the ceiling and back balcony walls, whatever. I dunno about the latest Atmos setups. I saw the premiere presser of Jurassic Park the original, at the Ziegfield, and they had some beautiful speaker setup there. It sounded just phenomenal. I wish you would do a video on the benefit (if any!) of the home theater receiver self-sound-calibration systems. If they do more harm than good, or even do anything?
I feel like I’m gushing about ohms far too much. Bummed that the mini don’t do it for ya. However, I’m thinking of sticking some old Ohm Walsh 1’s as surrounds. What if I turn them towards the back corners of the room?
there is bass information in the surrounds because back when i had a sony speaker setup with the SSB3000 large bookshelf speakers with 8 inch woofers, and a sony center from the previous lineup because it had the better ceramic tweeter I had small satellites for the rears, then I had found a pair of sony SS-440 towers. And tried to use them with the rear satellites, because i planned on selling the ssb3000 i tried the ssb3000 and everything was fuller especially on 5 channel stereo and movies that were based upon music and loud gunfire.
The difference between a bipolar speaker and a dipole speaker is that a bipolar speakers' cones work in phase, whereas a dipole speaker's front and back divers radiate out of phase.
Bro, you can actually FEEL the sound with your setup. It sounds BIG. What is your setup exactly? The fact that i run mine in a small room does not allow me to run good enough current to the speakers, and you can only HEAR the sub, not feel it.
The PC-4000 SVS pushes down. So it shakes everything. Those two 10" infinity subs are still running also so front channels under 35hz is still playing through those.
I'm sorry to debate you but speakers are never to be hung off a ceiling and or corner ceiling. Omni directionals are built that way so the sound travels around 360°. Those are not to be hung on wall or up against a wall. Speak to professional room sound guys. They'll steer you in the right direction. Good luck. 🎵
Good video, however i find that putting a speaker against the wall to create a reverb effect only really works in rooms that aren't sound treated or in a somewhat larger space such as yours
If you look at any atmos / DTS / Auro 3D setup they recommend direct radiating speakers and not bi-pole stuff which was better for old school THX non-discrete setups. Long discussions on forums about these.
My solution for my cramp living space as 2 JBL bookshelf speakers mounted to the wall (estate sale, was $10), up and pointed downard at my head. Since they are somewhat close to the wall they also hit the side and bounce that back at me so what I'm hearing is at times can range from right behind me, right to the left of me, and when I'm playing a game and the audio engine in the game is trying to give me exact information then it will create sound spots along my wall. If I kind of had to explain it to my ears it sounds like a the surround channels are creating an array of phantom channels in the shape of a bow. I wish I could have it more diffused but at the same exact time it having those phantom channels in a game is a nice touch also.
Been looking to buy back speakers upgrading but I am going to try what you’re saying before I upgrade. put them on the wall I Will check it out thank you very much for the video.
Since you are in the new house now, are you gonna sell the Kanto speakers due to your theater being in the basement, cuz I’d buy them. They’ve been discontinued and I seriously want them to get the sound you describe.
I have one side wall thats 15 ft then the ceiling slops down to the other side which ends at 8 ft high. That probably wouldn't work for me but I'll try it cuz its free
Does this work with only a 7.1 sytem for the rear sides l/r or will it work with a 7.2.4, as i dont want to cancel the four downward atmos ceiling speakers .
"Bigger is better in the rear." -Zeos
"You want to back that shit up." -Zeos
I wonder how this will work with cathedral ceiling
"WOOM PLANE IMMA PLANE"
I didn't know zeos was gay. I wish I still didn't.
Sounds like a porn movie
With such limited space in my lounge, I've had the rears on the wall right behind my head. Now after watching this I've moved them into each corner facing upwards.
Massive difference.
Thanks Z 👌👌
Holy moly you're right. I did it with my cheap Panasonic speakers laying them against the wall and point upwards and now it sounds like the best ones for the rear
Home Theater 101 INTRO : ruclips.net/video/U-tfoHeA-tY/видео.html
Home Theater 102 RECEIVERS : ruclips.net/video/b01kHaqc-iY/видео.html
Home Theater 103 CENTER CHANNELS : ruclips.net/video/ILFo9zLGqzI/видео.html
Home Theater 104 REAR CHANNELS : ruclips.net/video/Cz2gCFfo2Ho/видео.html
Home Theater 105 SUBWOOFERS : ruclips.net/video/jpUMx3VpFK8/видео.html
Hey Zeos. You seemed to have put the same link for 102 and 104, so both are for rear speakers :p
Haaaa I been using my rear speakers pointing straight up the walls with budget 6 inchers for over 20 years! finally someone that understands it does work!
Z your apartment or house or whatever is so versatile in the utility that you get out of it. It has everything that I would ever want stored neatly in one room. It is reminiscent of japanese one-room apartments that have to cram everything into a small space. Your bike being hung up, your small kitchen, your projector hidden in your wall. It is all very satisfying.
I trust your opinion because you drink the intellectuals drink.
Wow, I did move the rears higher and further back and holy shi% the difference it makes was outstanding! I did also play with the direction making them shoot the sound toward the back wall. The result is amazing.
thanx z love your videos. And as what you said experience with them it is free.
One of the most entertaining videos on surround sound but also full of good info, thank you!
I have 11.2 set up. My top front, sides and rear are the sound appeals. Top middle are in ceiling miccas. Sounds awesome. Zeos is 100% spot on. Do not spend a small fortune on surrounds.
Good advice Zeos.
I tried this. Works great. Thanks Z! 30 year audio engineer. I mix for TV and film. My home setup sounds better now. Love. :)
Holy shit!
Another quality video. I like where your channel is headed. Keep up the great work.
@zeos you the man! After years of telling myself I don't have the space for sourround speakers I went on and did your wall hack, now I finally enjoy a sourround sound and it totally works! 😄. Thank you for the great advice. Keep on the best audio reviews ever 👏👏👏👏
Holy shit, thank you for this awesome video. Doesn't matter how you organize the video. I need you to tell me everything you know!
Whooom PLANE, I'M A PLANE!
Oh God zeos your neighbors must think you're nuts
But would they be wrong?
They think I am a cannibal. Well that is what they probably thought as I ate them.
Ok, now that was pretty good.
I'm the cannibal. I cannibalized one of my Micca COVO-S to 3D print a new body for it.
just the neighbors?
This was a solution i also came up with, my father didn't want to mount rear channel speakers. My solution was down beside the couch and chair pointing up, and same that nice general sound wash as it bounced off the ceiling. Just perfect. I heard an interesting suggestion to mount the Fluance sideways to get an up and down shot with the sound rather than a wide dispersion.
My rear channels are some Sharps that I found at a Goodwill for $5 a piece. Still blows people's minds when demoing for people that have never really heard a surround setup before. I hear you Zeos!
after i saw the video i directly tried your flipping the speaker upside down trick and you´re right! it sounds awsome, even when my rear speakers already are quite high up on walls it still sounds much more spread out and immersive. this is some black magic vodoo i would never thougt of trying this before seeing your videos, thank you! :D
forskur so you took them off the wall and put them on the floor and face them up?
still have them around 2 feet above earlevel, cant put them lower than that because of furniture and stuff. but would like to try tho :)
forskur what did you do to handle the rear ports?
You have the right idea ,if it sounds good to you then do it. Never be afraid to go against the norm .
You should do more 101 videos Z.
Just you rambling knowledge. Do some for room acoustics, televisions/projectors, headphones, amplifiers, AVR settings, tips tricks, etc.
They're really entertaining to watch and can learn some new shit!
Join my Twitch stream and try and get my attention.
I fucking love your content man. It’s the shit I watch at 3am. Let’s go!
Woah! plane! I'm a plane!
you are freaking hilarious ! it's a good thing ! ENTERTAINING !!! and INFORMATIVE !!!
"It's free to move speakers around." Absolutely! I just watched an interview with Andrew Jones where he said he'll spend a good day for an event making little adjustments to a speakers position and location in a room.
And you can't listen to what the reviewers say work for them because it will likely be different for you. The reviewers said the Klipsch work best not toed in. I have to point them straight at me to get the bass hum out.
@@kohnfutner9637 thank you
Did this behind my coutch up agenst the wall a year ago and havent changed it. Works great
Got to say this worked wonders in my small dedicated theatre! Z this is genius, with side surrounds pointed into the room your absolutely right it’s sounds like a speaker, with them pointing up it’s a wall of sound that is the closest I have got to a real cinema sound field in my room. If you think about it a commercial theatre you never localise the surround speakers due to large room acoustics and the array of multiple side channels, it’s more to support and envelope the front sound and that is exactly what pointing the speakers up gives you in a small room. This theory is also backed up on the audioholics site where they opt for diffused dipole and bipole surround in small theatres. Genius and looks absolutely fine in my dedicated theatre on wall brackets
Actually, as we move to Atmos, a greater number of speakers are used and objects are able to be moved around the room - and you should be able to locate where they're coming from. That is what the producers and engineers intend. If you took a movie like that and washed the walls with sound, as those sounds go through the back channels, they would sound much larger and more diffuse than they are supposed to, and you would hear a clear difference as compared to the front. The idea with Atmos is the sound should have the same character wherever it is moved about the room. Z is right that this works for 5.1 or 7.1 setups, but we're at a crossroads and we're moving away from this kind of setup. Of course, that mostly won't apply to budget home theaters and living room setups where you can't install speakers all over the walls and in the ceiling, so Z's method works in this scenario.
@@matsudakodo yea actually atmos in my setup actually sounds better with the speakers pointing up and somehow the objects become even more oriented in space, especially between the front and surround speakers.
I had those micca 8" in my ceiling at my office. After business hours I'd poor myself a whiskey and let me tell you just two of those at about 8 ft apart diagonal to the room (like rolling a deuce on the die) blew my mind. Just 60 watts driving them and it was quite amazing the sound.
I like this guy. He knows wtf he's talking about.
I appreciate your pragmatic & experimental approach, Z- seriously- Bravo for thinking for yourself! 👏
4:50 When I was watching Stranger Things recently on 5.1, with two normal rear speakers, there was a clear directional scream from the monster that came from the rear right speaker... and it frightened the living sh*t out of me! I'm not sure if it would have had the same effect of it came from a bidirectional speaker..
I seriously thought the fu*ker was right there behind me like..
I have had dozens of side/rear surround speakers over the years. Bought a pair of used JBL 8330's off ebay and will not even consider anything else. Powerful, dynamic and crystal clear.
Build the room with 45° corners of about 3 ft and place the speaker flat. That would be amazing I bet.
I am on an "old Zeos"s HT video's" kick lol. Just a pro tip update. If your goal is Dolby Atmos (and it should be), do not use di-pole or bi-pole. ALL speakers should be directional.
" Dolby recommends direct-radiating surround positioned at roughly ear-height for . ... So, adhere recommendations, the answer is yes, replace your current dipolar surrounds with direct-radiating installed at ear-height."
Higher quality speakers for surrounds have significant value when you utilize full 7 channel stereo going in larger rooms when entertaining. Just saying.
Eh. If you are filling in music in that mode it is a different ballgame entirely. That is sound reinforcement. I'd be amazed if anyone uses it that way more than a few hours a year.
This is the first of your videos i've seen, and it cracked me up :). I've got two questions for you though.
1) What would you recommend for surround placement if one side is open to the rest of the house,and the surrounds will probably have to live on or near the end tables at either side of the sofa? The sofa is up against the wall.
2) I've wanted to add some atmos channels in ceiling one day. Would pointing these straight up at the wall screw with that?
Exact same scenario with me. What did you end up doing?
I can't like this video enough, once again, well done!
Mean while I got a matching set of Klipsch rears... Fucking gold idea laying them down.
The monolith 265 THX Atmos I use for my rears are phenomenal. Little on pricey side, $550. pair. I wish would seen this before, purchasing the 265 ,but I have no regrets easy set up.
Thank you Ohm for sending me these $700 rears which have inspired me how to not spend $700 on rears. +_+
"...the only thing you know is that people are DYING."
Fucking love this man.
It is one of the best video about souroundspeakers I ve seen.. excellent job my man !
I love you! Thank you for solving the rear speaker problem
i've been trying to figure out what to do with Rears and this video was extremely helpful.
Been following your videos from down under for a long time, this one has been one of the best! You sir, are fantastic!
What would you recommend in place of the canto Benz?
Speaking about DYI with the yoga mat , i found the best vibration insulation the mats for washmachines. For couple bucks you get a heavy duty rubber mat you can cut into pieces as well :)
The Omni directional installed in the corner at 45° angle would probably work really well.
Apparently you gave Fluance ideas, because now they sell them in white!
Holy SHIZNIT, you just saved me some money! I bought a full set of JBL 530s (also thanks to you) to create a 5.1 system which I absolutely love but I was not happy with the 530s as rears because they were so locatable. So I just yanked the banana plugs out, laid them on their backs flush up against the rear wall and OMFG! It completely solved the problem & sounds like a whole new system! Thank you, thank you, thank you! Now I don't have to worry about buying some bipoles which were gonna be a completely different brand and sound signature since JBL doesn't make any bipoles to go with the Studio 5s. Now I've got everything matching AND sounding bomb! BOMB BOMB BOMB!!! I'm beyond happy with this hack
Just tried it with an pair of polk owm3s and it's glorious!
@Michael MacDonald, how did you mount the OMW3s? I have that situation that Zeos told where my couch is against the walls (rear and side). It´s a 2.6meters couch and I was thinking about replace my Micca Covo-S with a pair of Polk OWM3 (and another pair for ATMOS), since Zeos reviewed it and said they are amazing close (desktop) listening. Here is a picture of my syrrounds today: www.dropbox.com/s/5huywqxsd7lwzjk/20292584_10154786011517308_5224998341714145289_n.jpg?dl=0
I made my comment before finish watching this video...I'll try to point my Miccas up to see what happens! Thanks Zeos! :)
How do the Covos sound pointed up?
11:47 Zeos' neighbors must think he has lost it
@Z Reviews, Try doing this with stereo main channels - right against the wall - and then report back. Experimentation is the mother of discovery.
i dont have room for a 7.1 so ive been running a 6.1 with a single back channel which is a old center channel speaker vertical on the floor wedged between my coach and the back wall. been running it for months and it works good enough for how little i ask for it.
Yeah that is a tough placement. But again anything is better than nothing.
What if I don't have the back walls... Should I use bipole on stands for a better whole sound experience?
Going to try this with my Cerwin Vega XLS-6 surrounds. My ceiling is not flat but vaulted so I'm interested to see how the sound reflects. I do have the localized sound issue because they are placed at about 100 degrees behind my sofa due to space constraints. We'll see.
Zeos, outstanding video... just took off my mirage rear omni speakers that were mounted on the wall that touches the couch. I had some old martin logan bookshelf speakers and fired them up on each side of the couch. it is VERY mucho grande! I am thinking about putting the Mirage omni up as my dolby atmos up fires in front...
That would be interesting.
Should I get the more expensive fluance speaker or the cheaper one?
I've got some no name small speakers for rears on a laptop that sit on top of sticky pads. Yeah, the ones folks use for their cell phones in cars. They work great and cost like $3 each. Does a great job.
Atmos spec allows full-range signals to all speakers, even surrounds. Recommend speakers with a -3dB point no higher than 75Hz so it can handle 80Hz with ease, then cross to subs.
This kind of review is why I am a patreon supporter!
Best sounding movie recommendations? Anyone?
Ant-Man, Bathtub Scene
Arrival, Yes
Sicario, Leaving Juarez
Birdman, FFFF drums
Blade Runner 2049, The parts where it is the future
Children of Men
Coriolanus, Gun Battles
Dark Knight
Dredd 2012, The scene where everyone shoots things
Dunkirk, Yes
Edge of Tommorow, Yes
Fury, When tanks shooty things
Gravity, Eh it sounds great
Great Gatsby, THAT SOUNDTRACK
Heat, Bank Getaway
Hot Fuzz, Trust me this movie has amazing audio
Inception
Incredibles
Interstellar
John Wicks, Both
Jurassic Park, T-Rex Escape
Krampus, Ive Heard is great
Lone Survivor, THAT scene
Mad Max Fury Road, All of it
Master and Commander, Opening scene
Oblivion, When those balls scream. SO GOOD
Pacific Rim, Foyts
Prometheus, In things
Revenant, Outside stuff....
Rush, Cars make vroom
Saving Private Ryan, Beach Landing
Sherlock Holmes, Both
Signs, Subtle sounds
Snowpiercer, Trains are loud
Starship Troopers
Tron Legacy, Games
Wall-E, Pissed off Eve
Watchmen, Every part except when Adrian pulls the slug out of his hand at the end and when he drops it the fucking Foley guy plays the sound of a shell casing falling instead of a slug and ruins the whole fucking experience and now that you read this you can never un-hear what I said.
Whiplash, Drums usually
Wreck it Ralph, Stuff
add your own.
You forgot fifth element, car chase scene.
God DAMN that is an awesome, very in-depth, useful response.
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NO hacksaw ridge ? REALLY
I don't have any way to mount things on the side walls of my viewing room, so instead of 7.x I went with 5.x. I really never looked at dipoles. The biggest upgrade I ever made was to add height speakers and Dolby Atmos processing: 5.2.4 and it's stupendous. 5 Martin Logan LX-16 as the base level including center + 4 Klipsch RP-140SA ceiling mountable height speakers (can also be used as upwards firing Atmos speakers) + 2 Elemental Designs 15-inch subs.
I wanted to try using DML speakers since they are flat panel speakers that create omnidirectional sound and you can disguise them as artwork, but it has problems reaching lower frequencies. Maybe the bigger panels will reach lower frequencies. I'll try one of these days. The drivers are literally $30 and you just buy a 2x4 insulation board.
Did you try turning them sideways and close to the ceiling ?
Is what you found pretty much what Amar Bose was preaching back in the 70's with his direct/ radiating speaker designs.
Bounce the sound off of your walls and ceilings.
Really wondering if you could use small cheap atmos speakers for this. Just pointing them toward the wall instead of the middle of the room.
I was thinking the same, did you try it?
I've been using Boston acoustic CR6's for my surrounds pouting upwards and WOW thanks for that advice. Great sound and it really adds to the ambiance.
Thank you SO much Zeos, I was about to spend 1000 dollaroos on a set of r300's for surrounds to match my r500's up front, you saved me so much money.
YOU ANIMAL. R300's for the rear. I'd have hit you.
Z Reviews I'd literally pay for that... Well to meet you, you can keep the hitting. Also I found no paperwork and studies about upfiring side/rear channels, very strange
I love you! I am that guy with the couch up against the wall and rears a couple feet off to the side. My living room is really small so not much else I can do for now. I was going to mount them but now I feel I'm just going to leave them on the floor!
"Bigger is better in the rear". Nice.
So, to clarify, you liked bigger fluences? They're 150 on amazon, and I would be playing music mostly through them in rear area
This was a great one, well done. You also have me questioning why this isn’t something widely done before.
Too hard to explain? Need matching side wall? Rooms differ too much?
@@ZReviews hey Z, I got a wall on one side but a giant window on the other. Is that window gonna affect the sound too much?
The reason I'm watching your video is because I'm not entirely happy with how directional my rears are. I'm in the shoot myself in the head category at the moment. I also have them set 3db lower than the fronts. As I understand they shouldn't be too prominent but they are directional but reducing the power does sound better than before . I found the speaker facing up proposition really interesting. Although without running wires up my wall that is directly behind my seating position. I enjoyed the video had some laughs and got some good ideas! And will be trying the face up speaker idea
And my living room lights just went off.
FOOL. Never trust a Z Review!
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Most of the old original better 1980s -1990s Dolby movie theater setups had the surrounds up pretty high on the ceiling and back balcony walls, whatever. I dunno about the latest Atmos setups.
I saw the premiere presser of Jurassic Park the original, at the Ziegfield, and they had some beautiful speaker setup there. It sounded just phenomenal. I wish you would do a video
on the benefit (if any!) of the home theater receiver self-sound-calibration systems. If they do more harm than good, or even do anything?
Your neighbors must love you , lol
I feel like I’m gushing about ohms far too much. Bummed that the mini don’t do it for ya. However, I’m thinking of sticking some old Ohm Walsh 1’s as surrounds. What if I turn them towards the back corners of the room?
there is bass information in the surrounds because back when i had a sony speaker setup with the SSB3000 large bookshelf speakers with 8 inch woofers, and a sony center from the previous lineup because it had the better ceramic tweeter I had small satellites for the rears, then I had found a pair of sony SS-440 towers. And tried to use them with the rear satellites, because i planned on selling the ssb3000
i tried the ssb3000 and everything was fuller especially on 5 channel stereo and movies that were based upon music and loud gunfire.
The difference between a bipolar speaker and a dipole speaker is that a bipolar speakers' cones work in phase, whereas a dipole speaker's front and back divers radiate out of phase.
Z can you do like a monthly/quarterly/yearly setup overview? Or whenever it's in a state to be shown, like after a major change.
Bro, you can actually FEEL the sound with your setup. It sounds BIG. What is your setup exactly? The fact that i run mine in a small room does not allow me to run good enough current to the speakers, and you can only HEAR the sub, not feel it.
The PC-4000 SVS pushes down. So it shakes everything. Those two 10" infinity subs are still running also so front channels under 35hz is still playing through those.
I'm sorry to debate you but speakers are never to be hung off a ceiling and or corner ceiling. Omni directionals are built that way so the sound travels around 360°. Those are not to be hung on wall or up against a wall. Speak to professional room sound guys. They'll steer you in the right direction. Good luck. 🎵
Good video, however i find that putting a speaker against the wall to create a reverb effect only really works in rooms that aren't sound treated or in a somewhat larger space such as yours
If you look at any atmos / DTS / Auro 3D setup they recommend direct radiating speakers and not bi-pole stuff which was better for old school THX non-discrete setups. Long discussions on forums about these.
My solution for my cramp living space as 2 JBL bookshelf speakers mounted to the wall (estate sale, was $10), up and pointed downard at my head. Since they are somewhat close to the wall they also hit the side and bounce that back at me so what I'm hearing is at times can range from right behind me, right to the left of me, and when I'm playing a game and the audio engine in the game is trying to give me exact information then it will create sound spots along my wall. If I kind of had to explain it to my ears it sounds like a the surround channels are creating an array of phantom channels in the shape of a bow. I wish I could have it more diffused but at the same exact time it having those phantom channels in a game is a nice touch also.
Well shit that is actually what you did too but pointed upwards and here I was using the back wall but I'm on 5.1.
Seems like magnepan styled speakers would work well in the back. You can just strap a wall of wall mount flat speakers across the back.
Your neighbours must LOVE you lol
Put the dipole speakers on the floor.
Been looking to buy back speakers upgrading but I am going to try what you’re saying before I upgrade. put them on the wall I Will check it out thank you very much for the video.
I can confirm it works damn well. Had them pointing up for a couple years now
Do you use also those speakers on the ceiling behind you or only those upfiring speakers?
i've tried it with a set of klipsch ss1 bipole, and i'm not going back. it works!!
Since you are in the new house now, are you gonna sell the Kanto speakers due to your theater being in the basement, cuz I’d buy them. They’ve been discontinued and I seriously want them to get the sound you describe.
Your thumbnail made me go cross eyed thinking it was a visual effect until I realized ohh shit it actually looks like that!
I have one side wall thats 15 ft then the ceiling slops down to the other side which ends at 8 ft high. That probably wouldn't work for me but I'll try it cuz its free
Do it. See what does and doesn't work.
So some big loud 8s in the floor behind a planter then. Cool! Thanks!!!
Chewie's like...when you gonna screen Cat People?
Try puting 2 bi polar speakers on each side. One a bit in front and one a bit behind on each side and see how that sounds
Wow the sound is great bro better than movie theater sound system
This is so good and makes so much sense.
Does this work with only a 7.1 sytem for the rear sides l/r or will it work with a 7.2.4, as i dont want to cancel the four downward atmos ceiling speakers .