In this video, I demonstrate the ROYAL Quick Change Tool system for vertical mills with an R8 spindle. Watch Tips #321 for the condensed ADD edition of the same.
Sure would love to have one of those BP's in my shop. But the tool & the tooling is a king's ransom. Thanks Mr. Pete. Love your videos...the long ones & the short ones. Eric central Florida
anotherr great video ...this one slipped by me somehow...was just looking at getting this system....i never knew you were a rocker feller :)...thanks for the video...the foot brake is genius
Timing 40 seconds old way vs 6 seconds with the Royal. Buying the Royal system would wipe out my bank account is less than six seconds However it is definitely a neat system Thanks Mr. Pete
I personally never had to luxury of using any quick change tool holders on a Bridgeport. But I have used the air powered draw bars. Those are fantastic time savers.
My Wells Index has an NMTB-30 tool holder which is very similar... longer taper, but the same two "teeth" in the machine that the tool holder fits into. On mine, there is a ring, give it about a 1/4 turn, and two "tabs" rotate over the "teeth" locking them in. Nice to see something like this for the Bridgeport R8 collet... makes changing tools much faster. But yes... out of range for most home machine shops.
The balls just have to hold the tool up. The drive dogs provide the drive and the taper locates it on center... at least that's what it looks like to me.
Im just starting in a cnc workshop as manual machinist and we use the same short of thing but its all in one piece with a collet and we have a air ratchet thing soo basically grab what you want slide it in and hit the green button for it and let it make a few thuds and done and same system the cnc uses in our work shop soo we can swap but we don't mix then unless they bad and we just use them for manual machines
I do believe the positive drive refers to using a set screw to secure the tool instead of a collet, the tool is positively locked to the holder and there's no chance of slippage (unless the screw backs off or breaks).
@@Migman2020 not entirely. It would save you having to remove collects for every tool change, you could save offsets on a dro, and you could set up a PDB.
Nice system, but as they said "medium to light". I can see a "need" for both a 30-taper main holder, and for a bench-mounted main holder. It would make changing cutters so much easier and safer. The bench mount holder would also let you measure tool extension (useful for DRO or CNC mills).
Lyle, 7 yrs back I never dreamed of owning a Mill, much less a lathe. But here in 2024 I have a change to buy Cat 40 tooling and even though it's for a non production personal shop, I like what you shared. I of course have all the R-8 Collets already, but if going this route, know I can sell them off ???? Bear THA- TX
I was lucky enough that my mill came with a power drawbar. You can change pretty quick with a power drawbar and you don't have to invest in all those holders. I can see how the quick change could pay off in a production setting though.
I wonder how well this actually holds. I have a Tormach at work and really miss the 40 taper machine I used to run. TTS is okay but the runout is pretty bad and it really doesn't hold the tools in very well.
If you know they are out there, you might be able to recognize what they are when someone that doesn't know the value of them is selling for a ridiculously low price. Rare, I know, but it does happen.
My "big" mill is only 8x30, I would loose too much height using a quick change. Vertical clearance goes away fast when you stack a lathe chuck on top of a rotary table, plus the work piece, of course. The Royal is pretty cool, however!
Hi mate. I have to say, that it is a wonderful system you got there. However, I would be surprised if making this system yourself would be such a mission. I think that a machinist worth his tools, should be able to do so. It comes down to it being a very clever idea, and they often cost money.
the big part of the equation making stuff like this is you have to place zero value on your time- and you also have to have alot of that free time. Generally unless a person is unemployed with no skills its virtually always better to go to work using your skills and then take that money--and buy the product. Most home made tools are generally done by young people just starting.
Nice system but the price will keep it out of my shop unfortunately. The Tormach system is lighter duty but is way easier on the pocket. One of the advantages I find with these tool holder systems is that they can register the tool at the same height setting each time. Saves a lot of time if you're doing repetitive operations.
Nice tooling, except I can't imagine changing tooling and not having to "zero" or find an edge. This looks nice for drilling and tapping a series of holes where the "x" and "y" doesn't change. I suppose some vendor HAD to come up with quick change tooling.
Hi Pete. Great video as usual from you. Question? I was taught that when tightening a tool using a setscrew and allen wrench, that this defeats "morse tapers", etc, when it comes to concentricity. Meaning it is impossible to get it as "centered" as with taper fittings. Yet this tool is made to use setscrews and allen wrenches. Where is my thinking wrong dear friend? As always, may Jesus richly bless you and yours always brother.
+mrpete222 isn't there also relief between the end of the setscrew and the shank so the collet can evenly compress? I have some end mills that have a bit of play rotationally when their collets are not in the machine but when installed have predictable offset and run true when installed. is this normal with high quality collets or just a "bonus feature" of buying the cheapest Chinese collets I can get my hands on?
It all depends on what kind of milling you are doing. The best are shrink holders that are heated to expand the bore, then cool and shrink to the tool shank. Collets do run true, but the endmill can be pulled out of them by cutting forces, on very heavy cuts. Set screw type will hold firm, but there will be a little clearance, in them. There are special collets that hold endmills on the flats, too.
The same tooling is available in the UK at much lower cost, known as a Coventry EasyChange. They were used a lot across small educational CNC machines. www.engineeringsupplies.co.uk/tool-holders-easy-change-c-175.html?menu=1
its a good product but unfortunately it never got standardised. Best option for the home shop is to bore a 1:10 taper in the spindle and switch to HSK taper, which there is a size that very closely matched the R8 taper. Oh, and 40$ a piece on ebay for a tool in 2016 dollars.
Next time you're milling something maybe you could quickly show how those edge finders work. I know it sounds stupid, I've seen them a couple times but I'm not sure how they work, thanks.
knock them a touch off-center and when you touch them to the work they'll appear a perfect cylinder again. you need one the same size as the tool you're cutting with.
James, thanks. When I see them used on RUclips, every time, they look like they get it to look like a cylinder, then they go further for a second and knock it out of cylinder again, why do they go further and knock it back out?
Shane K think of it like focusing a projector. you go til "better, better, better, oops, back off a touch" it is basically pushing two rotating rings of the same size until they perfectly overlap. when they go a touch to far and then back it out, it helps know you went far enough.
Here is an extract of a talking between God and His forman...: "This Pete is so helpfull to the human kind (because of him they swear a lot less !) with his tips, you will go down and talk to the Royal Quick Change Tool system's President, during his sleep...like usually it is done.... After this, just make sure Purolator is delivering what Mr. Pete is requesting.....
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Excellent as usual. I agree with the other guys, a shop tour of your brothers workshop would be great.
Thanks for sharing sir.. oh your videos are NOT boring i find them very educational.....
Sure would love to have one of those BP's in my shop.
But the tool & the tooling is a king's ransom.
Thanks Mr. Pete.
Love your videos...the long ones & the short ones.
Eric
central Florida
I like the longer version of this video, you are a wealth of knowledge. Thank you for the videos.
anotherr great video ...this one slipped by me somehow...was just looking at getting this system....i never knew you were a rocker feller :)...thanks for the video...the foot brake is genius
That reminded me of car and driver when they review these $300,000 sports cars. Keep on keeping on.
That is some neat tooling! Thanks for sharing!
Oh wow. That's like the Erickson QC-30 system in general principle, but made for us mere mortals who've only got the R-8
Great tooling for sure. No doubt a real time saver. Thanks.
'Still in my Prime at the Time' you have a great atttitude!!
,,, nice set of tooling,, great video,,
Timing 40 seconds old way vs 6 seconds with the Royal.
Buying the Royal system would wipe out my bank account is less than six seconds
However it is definitely a neat system Thanks Mr. Pete
Very nice tooling...
I personally never had to luxury of using any quick change tool holders on a Bridgeport. But I have used the air powered draw bars. Those are fantastic time savers.
great information thanks!
That is a great set up thanks for posting! To bad it is so costly though
Good video.
THANK YOU...for sharing.
My Wells Index has an NMTB-30 tool holder which is very similar... longer taper, but the same two "teeth" in the machine that the tool holder fits into. On mine, there is a ring, give it about a 1/4 turn, and two "tabs" rotate over the "teeth" locking them in.
Nice to see something like this for the Bridgeport R8 collet... makes changing tools much faster. But yes... out of range for most home machine shops.
Neat stuff!
Great Video. I have never seen these. They are Very Nice but like you said, out of reach for most of us.
I'm amazed that the light spring action holds those toolholders into the taper tightly enough to mill with ! Very nice quick change system though ....
The balls just have to hold the tool up. The drive dogs provide the drive and the taper locates it on center... at least that's what it looks like to me.
Im just starting in a cnc workshop as manual machinist and we use the same short of thing but its all in one piece with a collet and we have a air ratchet thing soo basically grab what you want slide it in and hit the green button for it and let it make a few thuds and done and same system the cnc uses in our work shop soo we can swap but we don't mix then unless they bad and we just use them for manual machines
Great video. Also, have you made a video of how to remove and replace a drill chuck on an arbor?
nice! thank you
I do believe the positive drive refers to using a set screw to secure the tool instead of a collet, the tool is positively locked to the holder and there's no chance of slippage (unless the screw backs off or breaks).
The tormach tooling system is another option and much, much cheaper! This is still very nice.
you still have to undo the draw bar.. kinda pointless system
@@Migman2020 not entirely. It would save you having to remove collects for every tool change, you could save offsets on a dro, and you could set up a PDB.
Nice system, but as they said "medium to light". I can see a "need" for both a 30-taper main holder, and for a bench-mounted main holder. It would make changing cutters so much easier and safer. The bench mount holder would also let you measure tool extension (useful for DRO or CNC mills).
Lyle, 7 yrs back I never dreamed of owning a Mill, much less a lathe. But here in 2024 I have a change to buy Cat 40 tooling and even though it's for a non production personal shop, I like what you shared. I of course have all the R-8 Collets already, but if going this route, know I can sell them off ???? Bear THA- TX
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Hi, I want to know if it's good for 3 axis CNC woodworking, working area 1300x2500mm 3kw spindle. Or it's only for Bridgeport mill?
I was lucky enough that my mill came with a power drawbar. You can change pretty quick with a power drawbar and you don't have to invest in all those holders. I can see how the quick change could pay off in a production setting though.
$806, but what a great system!
I wonder how well this actually holds. I have a Tormach at work and really miss the 40 taper machine I used to run. TTS is okay but the runout is pretty bad and it really doesn't hold the tools in very well.
what video has the break in it?
Is this a cheaper alternative to a power drawbar?
This is the bast R-8 Snap Change - Ultron Snap Change tool changer
very neat, shame there so expensive!
Tormach has a quick-change tooling system for R8 as well. Much cheaper.
Not sure I like watching videos of really neat tooling that I will never afford. oh well. neat video
If you know they are out there, you might be able to recognize what they are when someone that doesn't know the value of them is selling for a ridiculously low price. Rare, I know, but it does happen.
Sort of the reason we watch Antiques Road Show
I know
CAT 60 tool holders we buy cost about that much. Heck, it's even more expensive than the Kennametal quick change adapters.
Those are pretty cool! How accurate are they?
Royal says within .0005
My "big" mill is only 8x30, I would loose too much height using a quick change. Vertical clearance goes away fast when you stack a lathe chuck on top of a rotary table, plus the work piece, of course. The Royal is pretty cool, however!
Hi mate. I have to say, that it is a wonderful system you got there. However, I would be surprised if making this system yourself would be such a mission. I think that a machinist worth his tools, should be able to do so. It comes down to it being a very clever idea, and they often cost money.
the big part of the equation making stuff like this is you have to place zero value on your time- and you also have to have alot of that free time. Generally unless a person is unemployed with no skills its virtually always better to go to work using your skills and then take that money--and buy the product. Most home made tools are generally done by young people just starting.
It will come out far more expensive than bought if you start reverse engineering and making it and count your hours
Nice system but the price will keep it out of my shop unfortunately. The Tormach system is lighter duty but is way easier on the pocket. One of the advantages I find with these tool holder systems is that they can register the tool at the same height setting each time. Saves a lot of time if you're doing repetitive operations.
Wow! and I thought $35 3CH Monoset collets are expensive on Ebay!
Nice tooling, except I can't imagine changing tooling and not having to "zero" or find an edge. This looks nice for drilling and tapping a series of holes where the "x" and "y" doesn't change. I suppose some vendor HAD to come up with quick change tooling.
Hi Pete. Great video as usual from you. Question?
I was taught that when tightening a tool using a setscrew and allen wrench, that this defeats "morse tapers", etc, when it comes to concentricity. Meaning it is impossible to get it as "centered" as with taper fittings.
Yet this tool is made to use setscrews and allen wrenches. Where is my thinking wrong dear friend?
As always, may Jesus richly bless you and yours always brother.
The fit between tool & holder is perfect
+mrpete222 isn't there also relief between the end of the setscrew and the shank so the collet can evenly compress? I have some end mills that have a bit of play rotationally when their collets are not in the machine but when installed have predictable offset and run true when installed. is this normal with high quality collets or just a "bonus feature" of buying the cheapest Chinese collets I can get my hands on?
The quick change type I've used (in an industrial setting) used collects and a nut to fasten the tool to the tool holder... air powered.
It all depends on what kind of milling you are doing. The best are shrink holders that are heated to expand the bore, then cool and shrink to the tool shank. Collets do run true, but the endmill can be pulled out of them by cutting forces, on very heavy cuts. Set screw type will hold firm, but there will be a little clearance, in them. There are special collets that hold endmills on the flats, too.
The same tooling is available in the UK at much lower cost, known as a Coventry EasyChange. They were used a lot across small educational CNC machines.
www.engineeringsupplies.co.uk/tool-holders-easy-change-c-175.html?menu=1
For the amazing low price of more than you paid for your mill. The insert is $900, and the individual tool holders are between $288 and $413 each.
Wow
its a good product but unfortunately it never got standardised. Best option for the home shop is to bore a 1:10 taper in the spindle and switch to HSK taper, which there is a size that very closely matched the R8 taper. Oh, and 40$ a piece on ebay for a tool in 2016 dollars.
That QC tool arbor is $1100, tool holders are now $342 ea. as of 2022.
Wow
do want. but as pointed out and a quick search of the interwebs.. not cheap :-/
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Thanks for watching.
Good video I have a 2017 Royal products catalog siting on my work bench just go to there website and request a catalog.
Good idea, my catalog is ancient
these are a british product, made in the uk for well over ten years by Coventry Engineering. They're not that expensive in the uk.
That is a 12 second tooling change! That is the average NASCAR tire change time.
Next time you're milling something maybe you could quickly show how those edge finders work. I know it sounds stupid, I've seen them a couple times but I'm not sure how they work, thanks.
knock them a touch off-center and when you touch them to the work they'll appear a perfect cylinder again. you need one the same size as the tool you're cutting with.
James, thanks. When I see them used on RUclips, every time, they look like they get it to look like a cylinder, then they go further for a second and knock it out of cylinder again, why do they go further and knock it back out?
Shane K
think of it like focusing a projector. you go til "better, better, better, oops, back off a touch" it is basically pushing two rotating rings of the same size until they perfectly overlap. when they go a touch to far and then back it out, it helps know you went far enough.
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CHARGING YOUR BROTHER RENT FOR "ROYAL" $$$ . :-) :-)
Here is an extract of a talking between God and His forman...:
"This Pete is so helpfull to the human kind (because of him they swear a lot less !) with his tips, you will go down and talk to the Royal Quick Change Tool system's President, during his sleep...like usually it is done.... After this, just make sure Purolator is delivering what Mr. Pete is requesting.....
Thanks-thats good.
+mrpete222 how did you get a machine Mill like that one into your basement?
lol he might pop a blood vessel if he knew how much cnc tooling costs
ill never afford these. even if i was rich they wouldnt see a dime of my money
HOLY shit are these EXPENSIVE! PASS.