I'm glad you explain that fanservice doesn't equate sex. Fanservice is just whatever makes a fan excited, be it references, attraction, etc. The ending of Rogue One is fanservice.
Yeah even I have been learning just recently before that fanservice doesn't always mean sex, but it can mean anything of famous references ranging anything from sports to famous actors or iconic scenes from tv show or movie. Its can be very vague in the regard.
As an artist after having tried out making some erotic/sexual art my outlook on sexual art and fanservice has changed quite a bit, once I thought it was cheap and lazy for easy money with little effort, I no longer think that, I vastly underestimated how much effort I'd have to put in as I've learned a lot about anatomy and the importance of staging, posing and composition with the purpose of invoking something in a viewer (still have a lot to learn). Still have some misgiving about fanservice however, the examples of seven deadly sins and Fire Force you gave are good examples as they just feel disruptive and out of place, relegating it to the fanservice episode, whether beach or hot springs is much better for pacing, especially with Fire Force the scenes feel like they were phoned in last minute.
Good video! I feel the difference between 'good' and 'bad' fanservice is all about framing. Stuff devoted to being fanservicey (interspecies reviewers GOAT) can be really, really fun and enjoyable, but I feel a lot of the time it's lazily tacked on. There's no buildup, no intimacy, just hey here's a creepy shot of the protag getting a peek of the heroine changing! It adds nothing to the story and almost always just skeeves the hell out of any women watching. You gotta add INTIMACY! You gotta have BUILDUP!!!! Otherwise it's just a ten second scene that makes me strongly consider dropping the show, 'cause I've learned that a lot of the shows that do that suck at writing women as well, haha.
Finally someone mentioned bakuten this show has some of the best animation last year and no one was taking about it , but wow it took 4 years to complete that explains the quality.
I'm really glad that we can have someone make such a serious piece about the logistics of fanservice and actually point out the good and the shuumatsu no harems. Also thanks for taking one for the team Canipa cause we all know the dt YT bots and mods will defo demonetise and maybe even age restrict this vid
As I've gotten older, it's been somewhat of a struggle for me to reconcile my love for anime with my growing ambivalence towards "fanservice", and I think this video helped me somewhat to figure out why some forms of fanservice have been growing tiresome and/or uncomfortable for me. Great video as always.
Chin up, you nailed it. The shows you use as examples of good fanservice really are. Kanbaru is god-tier fanservice and it never feels "wrong" because she's just that kind of girl.
With the lack of serious aproaches on the topic of "fanservice", this video is very welcomed, i'll make sure to share this next time i see people talking about this topic.
What is interesting about that series is it answered some questions I had about certain things in fantasy. Even raising some I hadnt thought about and answered them quickly.
All I know is that I refuse to watch anything censored. Period. I don't care about legality. I absolutely refuse to accept any form of censorship for any reason
Wow, not going to lie, I felt like I really learned something very important here. Thanks Canipa. In regards of what you say about Fanservice can be thoughtful but requires a team effort, which brings to animation studios in treating the animators of being part of the team and not just rushing them into the job to finish a schedule.
Something I forgot to mention in my previous comment - looking at all these examples, it's really interesting how fine the line is when it comes to fan-service and what's fine for me personally and what's super distracting to a detriment. Like the Urusei Yatsura example made me think of how Inuyasha did have a few scenes with nudity (some more "fanservice-y" than others), but was super adamant about not ever having stuff like panty shots or a super leery camera. Maybe its because it was one of my first anime growing up, but I think that was a formative show for me figuring out 1)I'm probably always going to find random panty shots/out-of-place sexual jokes distracting as hell (i.e. Noragami S1, Fire Force) unless it's so over the top it circles back around to being funny (i.e. High School of the Dead). And 2) the existence of nudity/exposure alone doesn't always equal fan-service in my eyes (although I know others might disagree)
Wow I'm not gonna see fanservice the same again after watching this. Thank you for making this video. Would be good to come back to this video for future reference.
I find it wierd that we see more sexual liberation and freedoms being raised by certain groups with other certain groups are trying to reduce and limit content pertaining to that similar explicit content.
When you said fan service it's not necessary sexy I just remembered that every time Endeavor shouts "SHOTOOOO" is so freaking cute, like... He is totally out of the first impression we had of this character and I think he becomes hella cute so.... Fan service right? 😆
Great video! I also love how well executed fanservice can enhance the story and show how a character, story or theme changes. Like how Eren Jäger starts out as a child and grows up to the point of the jacket scene
It's kinda sad because your praise indicates that citing sources used within content is fairly uncommon, despite being the moral right decision which takes little to no effort to be done.
Great video. I'm glad this topic is addressed in a more professional channel like this. Speaking of which, is there any chance you might dive into the animation for "Sono Bisque Doll wa Koi wo Suru" (My Dress-Up Darling in English iirc). Regardless of what the show is and what it's about, the character animation in almost every episode is blowing my mind. I freakin love character animation and I found myself going back to some episodes just to go frame-by-frame with some of the shots. And they do clothing just as good as they do movement and body language.
Fan service jokes, excuses or not it makes sense. The Saekano example was like the Haruhi episode in that particular order. XD I think the ways or the stories of the ones that have stayed around DXD, DAL for harems, or Food Wars or otherwise have made it clear. Some do it really well and others do it like any gag that just doesn't last. It has a place just like action or other breaks through I think when they get creative for original content is when it's good and not the cliche hot springs, beach or festival episodes though but something more interesting for the characters, the quirks of the universe. That or how I've noticed how quick 2010+ Hentai is compared to 2000s. Kamyla seems like any type of Girls Police Force anime but with some alright ideas for hypnosis and now we get maybe some date scenes but usually quick to the point stuff. Nothing wrong with it but noticed it.
World's End Harem is THE WORST ECCHI ADAPTATION I watched what needs to be fixed is the God Awful Directing and poor Adaptational work, It cuts a lot of Ecchi Scenes where they're so many scenes of Characters about to have Sex it cuts to the next Scene compared to the Manga which messes up the Pacing, first 2 eps being the worst, It has a lot of bad shot Compositions, panning shots, and the Character Designs lack any of Sexual charms compared to the Manga Art The sex scenes Look awful and lazily animated with awkward camera pans Worst Adaptation of an Ecchi I watched
Great vid, though took a while before I watched it coz I wouldn't watch this episode on the living room TV lol. (After that episode with the 3D dinosaurs having sex I dunno what to expect) I guess this video is about fan service and not ecchi specifically, I was hoping it would touch more on how ecchi fanservice had changed since old anime where it seemed a lot more candid/natural and part of a scene (and sometimes showed on tv) versus modern ones where they tend to dedicate precious screen time for a close up of a pair of boobs that jiggle on their own which will only be in the blurays. Edit: also nice reference at 9:13 lol
@@TheCanipaEffect glad u went along with the joke at least xd. Btw this vid got age restricted in the end, right? Cuz its doing kinda poorly compared to the rest of your vids (especially for such an attention-grabbing topic). Love ur content dude!
@@grubii-sakuga974 I think you're probably just early to this one. It's performing pretty well compared to the rest of the videos as of late. Not age restricted as far as I can see. Just "limited ads".
Fanservice in anime can definitely be a double-edged sword, you either have great examples like Shimoneta (where our heroes are trying to bring lewdness back to a society that has banned the content you're talking about), Chivalry of a Failed Knight (whose fanservice is a nice cherry on top of a unique take on the shonen battle anime with a couple who become officially together by the 4th episode), Monster Musume (which has such likable characters with fun personalities and solid figures, plus the manga goes in crazy creative directions, such as meeting the MILF'S of the first 4 girls), Godannar (where it uses nearly every fanservice trope in the book with an over-the-top story that knows when to take itself seriously), and Cutie Honey (need I say more?)
The consent aspect you talk about here is exactly why I fell off of Fire Force Where the most overt fanservice was built around the character that hated every second of every scene that was meant to be "appealing" (or funny slapstick?) and it just put me off the show as a whole, even though I enjoyed what was done with the action in that first season Edit: Posted this comment like a second before you brought up Fire Force yourself
It just felt reluctant, and there was an interview with Fire Force's editor where he basically said that he told Ohkubo to add more fanservice to his new work. So it kind of just ended up being trashy tropes from other popular manga thrown in without much context.
It doesn't really work in Fire Force. It comes across like Zenitsu's pleading with women. It's overdone and out of tone with the rest of the show and the joke itself isn't particular funny. It's horny but, unless you're 14, you probably aren't remotely getting off on it. If you compare to a show like To Love Ru, where it does do those kind of jokes but, it doesn't take itself seriously and it tries to push the joke to absurdity. The character variety also plays better since if you aren't into one character, the next episode will probably focus on another.
I've gotta say, I don't know anyone who actually likes the fan-service in Fire Force. Seems like people either hate it outright and its kept them away from the show or they merely tolerate it for the sake of enjoying the rest the show has to offer which is uh... definitely not the reaction you want with fan-service lmao
@@Katt1721 I dislike the fanservice in season 1, and I remember following the weekly discourse in 2019 with people dropping it, lots of people moved over to Dr Stone lol. I found the fanservice so out of place and it added nothing honestly. titty for the sake of titty is my most disliked trope ever. if there's no joke and it's just shoved in your face + fails at being funny, my enjoyment just tanks. BUT i do think the fanservice was funny in season 2 though. I actually do know people that don't have problems with the fanservice, I'm also one of those people now. I even found myself giggling at the way they'd sometimes cut the scene quickly after Tamaki's bra drops lmfaooo. heck, there's literally a whole comedic segment with a villian that relies on his training to beat Tamaki's fanservice. that's fucking funny honestly 💀 the big difference with S1 and S2 imo is that with the latter it actually feels like fanservice is treated in a comedic sense. appealing to some with obvious nods to the female/male characters and their sex appeal, but has a secondary focus that leans towards making an actual joke. Season 2 ep 1 is a great example too with the whole male modeling magazine stuff. Something that's timed well to make you laugh. I'm not sure if the change in director caused the difference in vibe for S2, but people generally exaggerate with how the fanservice in the show is "too much" it hardly takes away anything from the show's strong points. (except female characters ofc) this video is pretty nice because it opens discussion to what's good fanservice and tasteless fanservice. The FF anime managed to pick up the tasteless stuff that plagued characters before and actually make an effort in entertaining you at least. I mean Tamaki's backstory in season 2 is literally SO dumb to the point where it's funny and it kind of made her an endearing character to follow. there's still lots of stuff that bored my first watch tbh but all the heat around fanservice is a little overblown in my opinion.
It's generally a requirement for sponsored segments to play a couple minutes into the video, so I figured it'd be smoother to put it in the middle of the intro. Would people prefer it just replace the intro or that the intro plays in full after it?
The first animator that comes to mind whenever the topic of fanservice comes up is Shingo Fujii. Where he's simultaneously a master of depicting three-dimensional space in animation, and a huge pervert who makes characters' thighs so big they have to be consistently corrected. Makes me wonder how that (sometimes hyper-specific) interest in the human form can lead to not just more appealing fanservice, but more interesting animation in general.
One thing I never understood has been the blushes that look like gigantic inflamed zits... I mean. Yes. Acne is a real world nuisance. And acting like it never occurs is not really a good solution. But I am guessing that making me think of videos on youtube I rather not think about while eating was not the intent by that particularly prevalent choice of shading.
Surprised Case Study of Vanitas wasn't brought up more in depth - I suppose because it falls more into the sexual content category (shows like Scum's Wish or Fujiko Mine definitely do at least)? That show is wild with some of those scenes and way more effective than the majority of male fan-service where its just hot guys everywhere, sometimes shirtless, despite everyone keeping all their Victorian era clothes on.
@@andrewfantome4020 Not sure if you're talking about the show or this YT channel but the author for Vanitas is a woman fyi Also don't quite understand the comparison since the "fan-service" in question for both is wildly different in intent and execution.
Now that I've watched the whole video, this really resonates with me. I feel like most of the time I'm taken out of a scene when fanservice has zero context within the show and it's just the camera leering at the characters while they're doing something mundane. But I can appreciate it when it makes sense.
Monster Musume and Yuushibu are probably the only few anime where the fan service didn’t annoy me and actually enhanced the experience, at least for me. They both actually have decent plot and characters that grow on you, and the fan service is really just cherry on top.
Okay so... What is the difference between objective boring and subjective boring? I'm saying this because I find some popular shows, mostly slower paced one's and space operas, to be boring.
The difference between objective and subjective is a matter of artistic execution. To give an example, let's take a genre of art called Cubism (copied from wikipedia): "The Cubist style emphasized the flat, two-dimensional surface of the picture plane, rejecting the traditional techniques of perspective, foreshortening, modeling, and chiaroscuro and refuting time-honoured theories that art should imitate nature". You can say that you do not like the Cubism style (subjective bad), but that doesn't mean that that particular piece of art is bad if it does interesting things with perspective, foreshortening, modeling, etc. etc. that is novel to the field (objectively good). In terms of anime, the criteria for good and bad are different (and may differ slightly from person to person). In terms of judging fanservice scenes objectively, I consider how the fanservice impacts the pacing of the story, how the human body is portrayed (e.g. do they use interesting poses or camera angles to show the body in unique ways; do they put a lot of effort into animating realistic muscles or curvatures of the body rather than just flashing tits and ass), the relevance of the fanservice (e.g. is it integral to a complex joke or story?), among other aspects. I am a degenerate that likes One Room because the girls have a teasing and inviting feel to them, a specialty of Kantoku who is a specific artist I follow. Kantokus' artstyle is also very vibrant and uses a lot of plaid colors. There are other artists that offer similar styles, but Kantoku is up there for me in terms of the quality. I like the fanservice in Kill La Kill because Studio Trigger is the only studio that would use clothing as a symbolism for enslavement in their story. I do not like the loli-fetishism in Made in Abyss because they spent so much effort into setting up this beautifully cruel world before jarringly throwing in naked lolis, lolis in bondage, loli urination, etc. etc. that was completely irrelevant and destroyed any immersion I had with the world. P.S. Judging ANYTHING based on the percentage of people saying it's "good" or "bad" is not a proper method because a majority of people put little thought into understanding why something is good/bad. If a person cannot explain their reasoning for liking or disliking something, then their opinion is useless.
@@SadFace201 man, even In trying to be objective there's some subjectivity... Also, I wasn't saying subjective bad and objective bad. I already know the shows I like are shit. I'm specifically saying what's considered objectively boring, because I'm curious about that
@@captainmega6310 Well, the point I was trying to make is that even though you may subjectively dislike a show, you can still objectively enjoy parts of it. I just dislike when people write things off as "bad" based on one aspect they dislike about it, which makes judging shows too black and white. And this is why explanation of an opinion is more important than just saying "good" or "bad". If you want my opinion on boring, I think something is poorly paced if I can step away for 5-10 minutes from a 25 min episode and still understand what's going on. I remember randomly clicking on a random 300+ episode in Naruto just to see if the pacing changed---A majority of the episode was people standing in a room with very basic banter, no change in scenery, and no plot. The scene was a crude attempt at making characters look cool. To me, this is objectively boring. To contrast this, let's look at Monogatari. Monogatari is defined by its clever play-on-words and long dialogues. How does Studio Shaft make long dialogues interesting? They use very colorful and high-contrast backgrounds, use a lot of fast and interesting scene cuts, and pose their characters in ridiculous ways to keep the audience engaged. To me, this is objectively not boring even though the scene is the same as what I described earlier: Characters talking in a room.
Just a small correction: International licensors don't censor anime themselves (at least not anymore). It's just that they stream the most mainstream broadcast of any given show. In the case of World's End Harem, that's the Tokyo MX version.
@@TheCanipaEffect idk if I’m correct on this but I think AT-X has exclusivity over the uncensored version, which means no other TV station or streaming service can get their hands on it.
@@TheCanipaEffect tyty. That’s what I thought, but I have never seen the show. Great video btw. Loved the parts about Monogatari and Free! especially how the direction/pov is important.
@@andrewfantome4020 Yeah, I get that. Some of the shots I use have some purpose to it, but sometimes (especially in the second half of editing), it's just like "I'll use whatever footage I've got".
The problem with fanservice though is that, it feels like there's way way waaaaaay more male gaze than, well, female gaze. Heck, males only really get...muscles, but women get everything else. Where are the voluptorous guys with big butts, and thick thighs? Animation is meant to be a medium to make the impossible possible, yet the only way that can be possible is through fanart, and this is coming from a bisexual guy, by the way.
I totally agree. Especially when it comes to shows with good production values, fanservice with male characters is super super lacking. It's kind of why I referred to Free! as an awakening, because it really didn't seem like a show like that could have such a good production. As it stands, I'm kind of just jumping on whatever Hiroko Utsumi or Sayo Yamamoto do next. There's a reason that Tumblr is full of tiny 2 second clips from sports anime. They're just taking whatever they can find.
@@TheCanipaEffect I guess, but I'm more of a butt guy, so...I want males with asses. And for those that say it's "not realistic", uh...again, ANIMATION.
Idk man. I think male characters randomly shredded is fanservice plenty on its own. Plenty of anime where the guy isn't even a fighter or an athlete but some how has muscles for days on 1% body fat. Muscles are what seems to attract a female audience the most.
@@grinko1222 I guess, but...again, animation is a medium that live-action can't imitate. I still say males having big butts is something that needs to be done.
@@TheCanipaEffect I feel like people are far more puritanical about sexualized female characters than male, at least by western fans. For example you mentioned consent in your video. But then Free objectifies the boys in-universe and out with scenes of the token girl doing her best to exploit the guys into showing off their bodies for her benefit. How Fire-Force gets shit on but Gou's behavior is even lauded by fans? No, she isn't assaulting them but she's no saint either.
I understand the reasons behind it, but personally I don't like the (ecchi) fan service, especially if it is excessively used. *But this video was a very very interesting approach🙌🏼🙌🏼,* I didn't know I needed this haha
@@andrewfantome4020 oh, don't misunderstand me😅, I don't take fan service too seriously, I don't like it but I just *ignore* it and focus on what matters. I wrote ecchi to "identify" the fan service I was talking about, it is not that I think that every anime that has that kind of fan service turns into an ecchi.
fun fact all harem genre came from "Genji Monogatari". Heian period romance. Story about Hikaru Genji. Emperor love life. He had his own harem, loli included ;3
I don't care much for fan service and find it annoying when directors and animators use it thoughtlessly, tastelessly, or extensively. At the same time, I'm not particularly against it, and I think overcensorship for lewd series is ridiculous when said series is (or should clearly be marketed to) an older/mature audience. Still, more than anything, Japan's high cultural tolerance for portrayals of children (including teenagers) in sexualised and promiscuous depictions - and the people okay and happy with consuming such media - are without ethics, and for those on the adult side or mature side of life, outright wrong and disgusting. Paedophiles, often in denial and attempting to justify corrupt values by conflating artistic and social expressionism with twisted, degenerate-motivated content very meticulously aimed at a specific viewership. On the other hand, fan service isn't going anywhere and shouldn't be censored on outlets not intended for child and immature audiences, anyway. The problem is, companies no longer get to decide who can and cannot participate in watching a certain series, with the advent of streaming and network television. Broadcast and cable television offered greater protections in these areas, but everything is available on the internet now. Television (and anime consumption) landscape has changed. In the end, it's all about balance and responsibility. The onus is on the parents/guardians to actively engage and, if necessary, screen their child's content, whether it's gore and violence, nudity and promiscuity, profanity, sociopolitical indoctrination, etc. At least until the child is 18/19 or clearly mature enough to wisely filter out and gauge destructive or objectionable media/entertainment. Even at that age, an adolescent's brain is still so highly undeveloped and our outlook of life is still being formed throughout the 20s.
we do not like the CENSORED content we are getting from the inport companies cough FUNIMATION cough and japan know this fact and this sound like pr bullshit.
If Funimation was really going to censor all anime, would they have licensed High School DxD? Valkyrie Drive? Hell, they were part of the production committee in Fire Force. The issue with Interspecies Reviewers was that by the time Funi was getting ready to decide what anime to license for that season, many series hadn’t even started production yet. For IR, all they had to rely on was the source material - which only described sex as part of the reviews, and didn’t actually show it. They expected a mildly ecchi habanero, not a “literally show a hermaphrodite angel being plowed by a hyena girl onscreen” Carolina Reaper.
Hey, canipa, can you cover current MAPPA, and how they may or may not have changed? A major criticism I remember you leveled against MAPPA is that they took no financial risk on their projects. Now, since Jujutsu Kaisen and AOT, they've invested in every single one of their animes that they've made in the past two years.
there is bishoujo and bishounen but not loli?, i dissapointed canipa effect not included Non Non Biyori on this video, it's the best loli fan service out there. no lewd joke or lewd fanservice. but smh the manga got official translation and fully adapted into 4 season+1 movie. that's show how great this series. and also got the most unique male character.
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I'm glad you explain that fanservice doesn't equate sex. Fanservice is just whatever makes a fan excited, be it references, attraction, etc. The ending of Rogue One is fanservice.
Yeah even I have been learning just recently before that fanservice doesn't always mean sex, but it can mean anything of famous references ranging anything from sports to famous actors or iconic scenes from tv show or movie. Its can be very vague in the regard.
As an artist after having tried out making some erotic/sexual art my outlook on sexual art and fanservice has changed quite a bit, once I thought it was cheap and lazy for easy money with little effort, I no longer think that, I vastly underestimated how much effort I'd have to put in as I've learned a lot about anatomy and the importance of staging, posing and composition with the purpose of invoking something in a viewer (still have a lot to learn).
Still have some misgiving about fanservice however, the examples of seven deadly sins and Fire Force you gave are good examples as they just feel disruptive and out of place, relegating it to the fanservice episode, whether beach or hot springs is much better for pacing, especially with Fire Force the scenes feel like they were phoned in last minute.
Creating a sexy character is extremely easy but creating a sexy unique character is incredibly difficult.
Actually, I'll say creating one is pretty difficult because not everyone has the same idea on what is sexy to them.
The amount of effort that goes in this video, you truly deserve your subscribers!
What I love are the subtle fanservice when it's comes to legs and lips.
Like what?
@@neonlove1289 bikini warriors
Monogatari
Yall anime Stan’s are weird
@@anastajiapettisYet, here you are.
Finally, a video that explains the difference between fanservice and ecchi in anime, and a good one too so that's a plus.. Really love this video!
...there are a lot of these already
Good video! I feel the difference between 'good' and 'bad' fanservice is all about framing. Stuff devoted to being fanservicey (interspecies reviewers GOAT) can be really, really fun and enjoyable, but I feel a lot of the time it's lazily tacked on. There's no buildup, no intimacy, just hey here's a creepy shot of the protag getting a peek of the heroine changing! It adds nothing to the story and almost always just skeeves the hell out of any women watching. You gotta add INTIMACY! You gotta have BUILDUP!!!! Otherwise it's just a ten second scene that makes me strongly consider dropping the show, 'cause I've learned that a lot of the shows that do that suck at writing women as well, haha.
Finally someone mentioned bakuten this show has some of the best animation last year and no one was taking about it , but wow it took 4 years to complete that explains the quality.
I'm really glad that we can have someone make such a serious piece about the logistics of fanservice and actually point out the good and the shuumatsu no harems. Also thanks for taking one for the team Canipa cause we all know the dt YT bots and mods will defo demonetise and maybe even age restrict this vid
As I've gotten older, it's been somewhat of a struggle for me to reconcile my love for anime with my growing ambivalence towards "fanservice", and I think this video helped me somewhat to figure out why some forms of fanservice have been growing tiresome and/or uncomfortable for me. Great video as always.
I think you should do a video on a different animated series, Star Wars: The Clone Wars. The 3D one. Anybody else agree?
Chin up, you nailed it. The shows you use as examples of good fanservice really are. Kanbaru is god-tier fanservice and it never feels "wrong" because she's just that kind of girl.
With the lack of serious aproaches on the topic of "fanservice", this video is very welcomed, i'll make sure to share this next time i see people talking about this topic.
this is one of the most enthusiastic rants I've ever heard in this channel. Respect.
I just want a second season of interspecies reviewers... literally the best eechi anime I've ever watched.
Is there enough source material for it? It sold pretty well but probably missed out on streaming revenue.
What is interesting about that series is it answered some questions I had about certain things in fantasy. Even raising some I hadnt thought about and answered them quickly.
All I know is that I refuse to watch anything censored. Period. I don't care about legality. I absolutely refuse to accept any form of censorship for any reason
Wow, not going to lie, I felt like I really learned something very important here. Thanks Canipa. In regards of what you say about Fanservice can be thoughtful but requires a team effort, which brings to animation studios in treating the animators of being part of the team and not just rushing them into the job to finish a schedule.
Even watching the uncensored version of World's End Harem is dissapointing. Like... come on. Sponge Bob has more sex appeal!
The manga is much better in all aspects, the character design of the anime is just not good.
Something I forgot to mention in my previous comment - looking at all these examples, it's really interesting how fine the line is when it comes to fan-service and what's fine for me personally and what's super distracting to a detriment.
Like the Urusei Yatsura example made me think of how Inuyasha did have a few scenes with nudity (some more "fanservice-y" than others), but was super adamant about not ever having stuff like panty shots or a super leery camera.
Maybe its because it was one of my first anime growing up, but I think that was a formative show for me figuring out 1)I'm probably always going to find random panty shots/out-of-place sexual jokes distracting as hell (i.e. Noragami S1, Fire Force) unless it's so over the top it circles back around to being funny (i.e. High School of the Dead). And 2) the existence of nudity/exposure alone doesn't always equal fan-service in my eyes (although I know others might disagree)
Wow I'm not gonna see fanservice the same again after watching this. Thank you for making this video. Would be good to come back to this video for future reference.
I find it wierd that we see more sexual liberation and freedoms being raised by certain groups with other certain groups are trying to reduce and limit content pertaining to that similar explicit content.
@4:51 A man of culture I see.
I sure wish Granblue Fantasy the Animation had another season, because the story is large.
When you said fan service it's not necessary sexy I just remembered that every time Endeavor shouts "SHOTOOOO" is so freaking cute, like... He is totally out of the first impression we had of this character and I think he becomes hella cute so.... Fan service right? 😆
Sex sells. Actually, in general, beauty sells. So no wonder fanservice is so appealing.
I respect that fanservice is not the goal, or even remotely necessary, in most shows. But also.... WHEN'S MY HAIKYUU BEACH EPISODE GODAMMIT
Great video!
I also love how well executed fanservice can enhance the story and show how a character, story or theme changes. Like how Eren Jäger starts out as a child and grows up to the point of the jacket scene
Didn't expect an Itailian senate reference here, however it's a welcomed one.
Had to do several revisions to the pixellation just to check at what point YT would take this video down.
Can we all just appreciate the fact that Canipa actually took the time to list the sauce of these anime that was shown? 😁
It's kinda sad because your praise indicates that citing sources used within content is fairly uncommon, despite being the moral right decision which takes little to no effort to be done.
Keijo and Monogatari are the best fanservice because it has a actual point.
Great video. I'm glad this topic is addressed in a more professional channel like this.
Speaking of which, is there any chance you might dive into the animation for "Sono Bisque Doll wa Koi wo Suru" (My Dress-Up Darling in English iirc). Regardless of what the show is and what it's about, the character animation in almost every episode is blowing my mind. I freakin love character animation and I found myself going back to some episodes just to go frame-by-frame with some of the shots. And they do clothing just as good as they do movement and body language.
Fan service jokes, excuses or not it makes sense. The Saekano example was like the Haruhi episode in that particular order. XD I think the ways or the stories of the ones that have stayed around DXD, DAL for harems, or Food Wars or otherwise have made it clear. Some do it really well and others do it like any gag that just doesn't last. It has a place just like action or other breaks through I think when they get creative for original content is when it's good and not the cliche hot springs, beach or festival episodes though but something more interesting for the characters, the quirks of the universe.
That or how I've noticed how quick 2010+ Hentai is compared to 2000s. Kamyla seems like any type of Girls Police Force anime but with some alright ideas for hypnosis and now we get maybe some date scenes but usually quick to the point stuff. Nothing wrong with it but noticed it.
This is the last thing I'd expect from someone like you lol
"My own mother, who I hope isn't watching this" 😭
"This has been one of the hardest videos to write". I was imagining it would be for some other reason , if you know what I mean, hahaha
This video is so cultured a monocle and tophat spontaneously spawned on my head while watching it
World's End Harem is THE WORST ECCHI ADAPTATION I watched what needs to be fixed is the God Awful Directing and poor Adaptational work, It cuts a lot of Ecchi Scenes where they're so many scenes of Characters about to have Sex it cuts to the next Scene compared to the Manga which messes up the Pacing, first 2 eps being the worst, It has a lot of bad shot Compositions, panning shots, and the Character Designs lack any of Sexual charms compared to the Manga Art
The sex scenes Look awful and lazily animated with awkward camera pans
Worst Adaptation of an Ecchi I watched
You and Hazel perfectly harmonized for videos this week
u know what,fanservice is good for anime
Never watched Free! Cause I thought it was like Yuri on ice gæ-ish but this is now tempting me binge it tonight :3
also as always great video!!
Dude, Yuri On Ice is yaoi, and it's really good. The content is just also a good story.
@@andrewfantome4020 Yeah, I'm just saying the story has good content outside of BL type fanservice too
Great vid, though took a while before I watched it coz I wouldn't watch this episode on the living room TV lol. (After that episode with the 3D dinosaurs having sex I dunno what to expect)
I guess this video is about fan service and not ecchi specifically, I was hoping it would touch more on how ecchi fanservice had changed since old anime where it seemed a lot more candid/natural and part of a scene (and sometimes showed on tv) versus modern ones where they tend to dedicate precious screen time for a close up of a pair of boobs that jiggle on their own which will only be in the blurays.
Edit: also nice reference at 9:13 lol
6:53 Who is Rem?
Blue Ram. Brand new OC.
@@TheCanipaEffect glad u went along with the joke at least xd.
Btw this vid got age restricted in the end, right? Cuz its doing kinda poorly compared to the rest of your vids (especially for such an attention-grabbing topic). Love ur content dude!
@@grubii-sakuga974 I think you're probably just early to this one. It's performing pretty well compared to the rest of the videos as of late. Not age restricted as far as I can see. Just "limited ads".
Fanservice in anime can definitely be a double-edged sword, you either have great examples like Shimoneta (where our heroes are trying to bring lewdness back to a society that has banned the content you're talking about), Chivalry of a Failed Knight (whose fanservice is a nice cherry on top of a unique take on the shonen battle anime with a couple who become officially together by the 4th episode), Monster Musume (which has such likable characters with fun personalities and solid figures, plus the manga goes in crazy creative directions, such as meeting the MILF'S of the first 4 girls), Godannar (where it uses nearly every fanservice trope in the book with an over-the-top story that knows when to take itself seriously), and Cutie Honey (need I say more?)
And then you realize that Fire Force had everything planed from the start
The consent aspect you talk about here is exactly why I fell off of Fire Force
Where the most overt fanservice was built around the character that hated every second of every scene that was meant to be "appealing" (or funny slapstick?) and it just put me off the show as a whole, even though I enjoyed what was done with the action in that first season
Edit: Posted this comment like a second before you brought up Fire Force yourself
It just felt reluctant, and there was an interview with Fire Force's editor where he basically said that he told Ohkubo to add more fanservice to his new work. So it kind of just ended up being trashy tropes from other popular manga thrown in without much context.
It doesn't really work in Fire Force. It comes across like Zenitsu's pleading with women. It's overdone and out of tone with the rest of the show and the joke itself isn't particular funny. It's horny but, unless you're 14, you probably aren't remotely getting off on it. If you compare to a show like To Love Ru, where it does do those kind of jokes but, it doesn't take itself seriously and it tries to push the joke to absurdity. The character variety also plays better since if you aren't into one character, the next episode will probably focus on another.
I've gotta say, I don't know anyone who actually likes the fan-service in Fire Force. Seems like people either hate it outright and its kept them away from the show or they merely tolerate it for the sake of enjoying the rest the show has to offer which is uh... definitely not the reaction you want with fan-service lmao
@@Katt1721 I dislike the fanservice in season 1, and I remember following the weekly discourse in 2019 with people dropping it, lots of people moved over to Dr Stone lol. I found the fanservice so out of place and it added nothing honestly. titty for the sake of titty is my most disliked trope ever. if there's no joke and it's just shoved in your face + fails at being funny, my enjoyment just tanks.
BUT i do think the fanservice was funny in season 2 though. I actually do know people that don't have problems with the fanservice, I'm also one of those people now. I even found myself giggling at the way they'd sometimes cut the scene quickly after Tamaki's bra drops lmfaooo. heck, there's literally a whole comedic segment with a villian that relies on his training to beat Tamaki's fanservice. that's fucking funny honestly 💀 the big difference with S1 and S2 imo is that with the latter it actually feels like fanservice is treated in a comedic sense. appealing to some with obvious nods to the female/male characters and their sex appeal, but has a secondary focus that leans towards making an actual joke. Season 2 ep 1 is a great example too with the whole male modeling magazine stuff. Something that's timed well to make you laugh. I'm not sure if the change in director caused the difference in vibe for S2, but people generally exaggerate with how the fanservice in the show is "too much" it hardly takes away anything from the show's strong points. (except female characters ofc)
this video is pretty nice because it opens discussion to what's good fanservice and tasteless fanservice. The FF anime managed to pick up the tasteless stuff that plagued characters before and actually make an effort in entertaining you at least. I mean Tamaki's backstory in season 2 is literally SO dumb to the point where it's funny and it kind of made her an endearing character to follow. there's still lots of stuff that bored my first watch tbh but all the heat around fanservice is a little overblown in my opinion.
this reminds me of that old video from digibro about fanservice hiding in plain sight
Nowadays most fanservice are created by the fans not by the studios.
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Please stop putting the sponsor in the middle of the opening as it just ruins it completely
It's generally a requirement for sponsored segments to play a couple minutes into the video, so I figured it'd be smoother to put it in the middle of the intro. Would people prefer it just replace the intro or that the intro plays in full after it?
@@TheCanipaEffect I would much prefer putting it after the sponsor spot since the interruption really does not feel natural as it is
6:58
Who's that?
Blue Ram
_Art of Fanserivce 101: How to be Cultured_
That game looks insane, what an awesome sponsor to get! :D
That's Konami game
Fanservice is bad fax fr stop simping
The first animator that comes to mind whenever the topic of fanservice comes up is Shingo Fujii. Where he's simultaneously a master of depicting three-dimensional space in animation, and a huge pervert who makes characters' thighs so big they have to be consistently corrected. Makes me wonder how that (sometimes hyper-specific) interest in the human form can lead to not just more appealing fanservice, but more interesting animation in general.
Afaik Shingo Fujii was also one of the big names that created Studio Bind for Mushoku Tensei
The thumbnail LMAOOOOOOO
Mob Psycho 100 Reigen fanservice is best fanservice
Ah shit, I was gonna use a clip of that but forgot.
If you want the fanservice uncensored , either use alt websites or import it or buy the manga vols
Good vid
One thing I never understood has been the blushes that look like gigantic inflamed zits...
I mean. Yes. Acne is a real world nuisance. And acting like it never occurs is not really a good solution. But I am guessing that making me think of videos on youtube I rather not think about while eating was not the intent by that particularly prevalent choice of shading.
That was a well written video. I loved this
WEH is one of the only ecchi shows I've actually enjoyed and not just for laughs. I don't know why.
I'll still never understand why you aren't flooded with more views. Love your videos.
I honestly want someone to do a video about the male gaze vs anime fanservice.
It’s been almost 8 months since your request. Do you know if it’s been done yet?
There is nothing wrong with male gaze ffs and just sounds like another BS excuse to justify censorship
You should check out ikki tousen and Queen's Blade.
One of the most damn intriguing YT video title I have ever seen
Soo...... is the video demonitized?
Surprised Case Study of Vanitas wasn't brought up more in depth - I suppose because it falls more into the sexual content category (shows like Scum's Wish or Fujiko Mine definitely do at least)? That show is wild with some of those scenes and way more effective than the majority of male fan-service where its just hot guys everywhere, sometimes shirtless, despite everyone keeping all their Victorian era clothes on.
@@andrewfantome4020 Not sure if you're talking about the show or this YT channel but the author for Vanitas is a woman fyi
Also don't quite understand the comparison since the "fan-service" in question for both is wildly different in intent and execution.
@@andrewfantome4020 the mangaka of Vanitas is a woman
Vanitas is lovely it really seems like it tries to appeal to everyone In the fanservicey way, I'm hella into demi (lesbian here)
Also have multiple gay male friends who are really into Vanitas
I love this anime so much lol
lmao that sponsored spot was so good I forgot this wasn't a video for the game after it ended.. like I was waiting to hear more about the game XD
Now that I've watched the whole video, this really resonates with me. I feel like most of the time I'm taken out of a scene when fanservice has zero context within the show and it's just the camera leering at the characters while they're doing something mundane. But I can appreciate it when it makes sense.
Is shuumatsu worth to watch it?
??????? ?
Great video!
Literally the day i started saekano
So...what's the source for the thumbnail?
SSSS.Gridman
@@TheCanipaEffect bless you
Monster Musume and Yuushibu are probably the only few anime where the fan service didn’t annoy me and actually enhanced the experience, at least for me. They both actually have decent plot and characters that grow on you, and the fan service is really just cherry on top.
Okay so... What is the difference between objective boring and subjective boring? I'm saying this because I find some popular shows, mostly slower paced one's and space operas, to be boring.
@@andrewfantome4020 I see, if most people agree it's good, it is good. And if most people something's boring
The difference between objective and subjective is a matter of artistic execution. To give an example, let's take a genre of art called Cubism (copied from wikipedia): "The Cubist style emphasized the flat, two-dimensional surface of the picture plane, rejecting the traditional techniques of perspective, foreshortening, modeling, and chiaroscuro and refuting time-honoured theories that art should imitate nature". You can say that you do not like the Cubism style (subjective bad), but that doesn't mean that that particular piece of art is bad if it does interesting things with perspective, foreshortening, modeling, etc. etc. that is novel to the field (objectively good).
In terms of anime, the criteria for good and bad are different (and may differ slightly from person to person). In terms of judging fanservice scenes objectively, I consider how the fanservice impacts the pacing of the story, how the human body is portrayed (e.g. do they use interesting poses or camera angles to show the body in unique ways; do they put a lot of effort into animating realistic muscles or curvatures of the body rather than just flashing tits and ass), the relevance of the fanservice (e.g. is it integral to a complex joke or story?), among other aspects.
I am a degenerate that likes One Room because the girls have a teasing and inviting feel to them, a specialty of Kantoku who is a specific artist I follow. Kantokus' artstyle is also very vibrant and uses a lot of plaid colors. There are other artists that offer similar styles, but Kantoku is up there for me in terms of the quality.
I like the fanservice in Kill La Kill because Studio Trigger is the only studio that would use clothing as a symbolism for enslavement in their story.
I do not like the loli-fetishism in Made in Abyss because they spent so much effort into setting up this beautifully cruel world before jarringly throwing in naked lolis, lolis in bondage, loli urination, etc. etc. that was completely irrelevant and destroyed any immersion I had with the world.
P.S. Judging ANYTHING based on the percentage of people saying it's "good" or "bad" is not a proper method because a majority of people put little thought into understanding why something is good/bad. If a person cannot explain their reasoning for liking or disliking something, then their opinion is useless.
@@SadFace201 man, even In trying to be objective there's some subjectivity...
Also, I wasn't saying subjective bad and objective bad. I already know the shows I like are shit. I'm specifically saying what's considered objectively boring, because I'm curious about that
@@captainmega6310 Well, the point I was trying to make is that even though you may subjectively dislike a show, you can still objectively enjoy parts of it. I just dislike when people write things off as "bad" based on one aspect they dislike about it, which makes judging shows too black and white. And this is why explanation of an opinion is more important than just saying "good" or "bad".
If you want my opinion on boring, I think something is poorly paced if I can step away for 5-10 minutes from a 25 min episode and still understand what's going on. I remember randomly clicking on a random 300+ episode in Naruto just to see if the pacing changed---A majority of the episode was people standing in a room with very basic banter, no change in scenery, and no plot. The scene was a crude attempt at making characters look cool. To me, this is objectively boring.
To contrast this, let's look at Monogatari. Monogatari is defined by its clever play-on-words and long dialogues. How does Studio Shaft make long dialogues interesting? They use very colorful and high-contrast backgrounds, use a lot of fast and interesting scene cuts, and pose their characters in ridiculous ways to keep the audience engaged. To me, this is objectively not boring even though the scene is the same as what I described earlier: Characters talking in a room.
6:12 THIS
thanks for your work to the anime and animation community
If I’m being honest with myself. The moment I seen how much Crunchyroll censored the show I instantly started watching it else where lol.
Just a small correction: International licensors don't censor anime themselves (at least not anymore). It's just that they stream the most mainstream broadcast of any given show. In the case of World's End Harem, that's the Tokyo MX version.
@@TheCanipaEffect I didn’t know that nice to know. I love the channel always enjoy the videos.
@@Killeclowns Thanks!
@@TheCanipaEffect idk if I’m correct on this but I think AT-X has exclusivity over the uncensored version, which means no other TV station or streaming service can get their hands on it.
Great stuff as always!
sakuga is just fanservice for animations enthusiasts. change my mind
What anime is the thumbnail?
SSSS.Gridman
@@TheCanipaEffect tyty. That’s what I thought, but I have never seen the show. Great video btw. Loved the parts about Monogatari and Free! especially how the direction/pov is important.
@AndrewFantome Honestly? I was running out of clips from the episodes I had on my laptop so I just chose a well animated scene that I liked.
@@andrewfantome4020 Yeah, I get that. Some of the shots I use have some purpose to it, but sometimes (especially in the second half of editing), it's just like "I'll use whatever footage I've got".
The problem with fanservice though is that, it feels like there's way way waaaaaay more male gaze than, well, female gaze. Heck, males only really get...muscles, but women get everything else. Where are the voluptorous guys with big butts, and thick thighs? Animation is meant to be a medium to make the impossible possible, yet the only way that can be possible is through fanart, and this is coming from a bisexual guy, by the way.
I totally agree. Especially when it comes to shows with good production values, fanservice with male characters is super super lacking. It's kind of why I referred to Free! as an awakening, because it really didn't seem like a show like that could have such a good production. As it stands, I'm kind of just jumping on whatever Hiroko Utsumi or Sayo Yamamoto do next. There's a reason that Tumblr is full of tiny 2 second clips from sports anime. They're just taking whatever they can find.
@@TheCanipaEffect I guess, but I'm more of a butt guy, so...I want males with asses. And for those that say it's "not realistic", uh...again, ANIMATION.
Idk man. I think male characters randomly shredded is fanservice plenty on its own. Plenty of anime where the guy isn't even a fighter or an athlete but some how has muscles for days on 1% body fat. Muscles are what seems to attract a female audience the most.
@@grinko1222 I guess, but...again, animation is a medium that live-action can't imitate. I still say males having big butts is something that needs to be done.
@@TheCanipaEffect I feel like people are far more puritanical about sexualized female characters than male, at least by western fans. For example you mentioned consent in your video. But then Free objectifies the boys in-universe and out with scenes of the token girl doing her best to exploit the guys into showing off their bodies for her benefit. How Fire-Force gets shit on but Gou's behavior is even lauded by fans? No, she isn't assaulting them but she's no saint either.
I understand the reasons behind it, but personally I don't like the (ecchi) fan service, especially if it is excessively used. *But this video was a very very interesting approach🙌🏼🙌🏼,* I didn't know I needed this haha
@@andrewfantome4020 oh, don't misunderstand me😅, I don't take fan service too seriously, I don't like it but I just *ignore* it and focus on what matters. I wrote ecchi to "identify" the fan service I was talking about, it is not that I think that every anime that has that kind of fan service turns into an ecchi.
@@andrewfantome4020 ooh, I see😅, I totally agree with you👌🏼
fun fact all harem genre came from "Genji Monogatari". Heian period romance.
Story about Hikaru Genji. Emperor love life.
He had his own harem, loli included ;3
I always cringe when this happen. I venture to say that in 90% of fanservices, if it were removed it wouldn't make any difference
I don't care much for fan service and find it annoying when directors and animators use it thoughtlessly, tastelessly, or extensively. At the same time, I'm not particularly against it, and I think overcensorship for lewd series is ridiculous when said series is (or should clearly be marketed to) an older/mature audience.
Still, more than anything, Japan's high cultural tolerance for portrayals of children (including teenagers) in sexualised and promiscuous depictions - and the people okay and happy with consuming such media - are without ethics, and for those on the adult side or mature side of life, outright wrong and disgusting. Paedophiles, often in denial and attempting to justify corrupt values by conflating artistic and social expressionism with twisted, degenerate-motivated content very meticulously aimed at a specific viewership.
On the other hand, fan service isn't going anywhere and shouldn't be censored on outlets not intended for child and immature audiences, anyway. The problem is, companies no longer get to decide who can and cannot participate in watching a certain series, with the advent of streaming and network television. Broadcast and cable television offered greater protections in these areas, but everything is available on the internet now. Television (and anime consumption) landscape has changed.
In the end, it's all about balance and responsibility. The onus is on the parents/guardians to actively engage and, if necessary, screen their child's content, whether it's gore and violence, nudity and promiscuity, profanity, sociopolitical indoctrination, etc. At least until the child is 18/19 or clearly mature enough to wisely filter out and gauge destructive or objectionable media/entertainment. Even at that age, an adolescent's brain is still so highly undeveloped and our outlook of life is still being formed throughout the 20s.
Media should never be censored ffs , and it is the job of parents to regulate content for children not media companies.
You just sound like someone that is morally panicking
we do not like the CENSORED content we are getting from the inport companies cough FUNIMATION cough and japan know this fact and this sound like pr bullshit.
If Funimation was really going to censor all anime, would they have licensed High School DxD? Valkyrie Drive? Hell, they were part of the production committee in Fire Force.
The issue with Interspecies Reviewers was that by the time Funi was getting ready to decide what anime to license for that season, many series hadn’t even started production yet. For IR, all they had to rely on was the source material - which only described sex as part of the reviews, and didn’t actually show it. They expected a mildly ecchi habanero, not a “literally show a hermaphrodite angel being plowed by a hyena girl onscreen” Carolina Reaper.
*handcuffs*
dropped the video right there, no need to listen to an ironic weeb
Hey, canipa, can you cover current MAPPA, and how they may or may not have changed?
A major criticism I remember you leveled against MAPPA is that they took no financial risk on their projects. Now, since Jujutsu Kaisen and AOT, they've invested in every single one of their animes that they've made in the past two years.
No
@@urameshii6672 what?
I'm sure he's well on his way to making a MAPPA wank video. Definitely his top priority.
yet they still overworked their staff and not paid a dime to freelancer?
@@almightythor6405 thats not true at all? Lmao
there is bishoujo and bishounen but not loli?, i dissapointed canipa effect not included Non Non Biyori on this video, it's the best loli fan service out there. no lewd joke or lewd fanservice. but smh the manga got official translation and fully adapted into 4 season+1 movie. that's show how great this series. and also got the most unique male character.
Studio trigger is good at fanservice