I just Couldn't believe when he choked John to death and after talking him out of suicide minutes earlier to, man that was insane stuff/moment, its good in hindsight as far as genuine tragedy and shocks go but still just horrible I mean John let his guard down around Ben semi trusted him and in the end he bit him from behind like a snake in a moment of vulnerability and weakness. But that aside for sure every single scene they had together from first timer they mat late in season 2 to Johns last day was amazing stuff by both characters/actors!
Despite Ben manipulating Locke into doing exactly what he wants that wheelchair comment really struck him. Nice to see Locke get a little jab in that actually hurts Ben
Dialogue like this is so thrilling and well-done. Not really any external action happening yet it is incredibly entertaining. Early seasons of Game of Thrones had many well-written scenes like this, especially scenes between Varys and Littlefinger.
@@stillgotyourmomHe wasnt born on the island, there's no way around that. Ben telling Locke he was is just a part of his game and trying to convince Locke he's better than him.
I wonder if Locke still appreciated chicken that much after he left the Island, and asked Matthew Abaddon to take him to Mr. Cluck's Chicken Shack in between his Oceanic Six visits.
1:43 _" What if I told you that somewhere on this island, there's a very large box. . . . and whatever you imagined, whatever you wanted to be in it . . . when you opened that box . . . there it would be."_ LOL. This is literally Damon Lindelof telling us how he writes these stories. That is masterful trolling.
It's also how the miracles of the Island, and the forms of the Smoke Monster, work. Flashbacks are the dramatization of what the characters want, and the Island makes it happen by way of the infinite possibility in the Source (the Source created the Monster/Defense Mechanism, turned into the Man in Black by Jacob's remorse, just like everyone else's remorse turns it into stuff). Bonus: The Series Finale opens on the montage of a mystery/magic box, and Desmond was sent to the Sideways by being blasted by the Light while in a VERY LARGE BOX. Each character's flash sideways storyline is based around what they still WANTED at the time of death. The Flash Sideways is the ultimate expression of the Magic Box, the actual true nature of the Island. Ben is wearing these same pajamas when he sees his Mom's ghost, later revealed to be the Monster appearing temporarily (as it does off Island a few times). Ben never considered the Magic Box and the Monster were the same thing, never considered that good is permanently connected to evil. ruclips.net/video/12-WXcIpkjY/видео.html
So the question is, was Ben lying about being born on the island to give himself more credibility, or did he genuinely view himself as being born on the island because it was the place where he found himself?
i think is most the second, remember in season 5 young ben was shot by Sayid, and then Kate and Sawyer took him to richard for save Ben. Richard said he never be the same person once he took him to the temple. So maybe he rebirth in a the Ben we know in the entire series. BTW sorry if i made a mistake, english is not my native language
you guys should know that ben wants locke to blow up that sub. he makes lock believe that it is his own idea when its clearly ben who wants it the most. its a con.
Ben was messing with Locke so much because he was such a weak, shriveled little pathetic weasel that he couldn't deal with the fact that Locke had a deeper, more powerful connection with the Island than Ben himself ever did. And Ben lying to Locke about not pushing the button...that the numbers simply reset once they displayed those symbols without him entering any numbers or pushing any buttons is what led to the Island's location being revealed, causing Widmore's freighter arrival, Keamey and his assault team, the bomb on the Kahana and the killings of all those people including Rousseau and Alex. Ben manipulating Locke (to the point of killing him) gave the Smoke thing the loophole it needed to kill Jacob. Ben...the bug-eyed bass terd is the one that created all that misery (including torturing Kate and Sawyer and Jack...just for the surgery). Ben getting caught and exposed as a liar (the artist formerly known as Henry Gale) forcing the others to bait Michael with Walt into freeing Ben is what led to the deaths of Ana Lucia and Libby. Ben's little ego crusades cost a LOT of lives. He even stabbed Keamey to death even after learning about the dead man's switch linked to Keamey's heart rate. Ben is directly responsible for ALL their deaths. So I don't get all the posters who praise Ben as some kind of mastermind. He's complete idiot that sent his daughter out to into the jungle which caused her and her mother and her boyfriend to get killed. He had that secret closet he could have hidden them inside...and also that secreter closet too!
Yeah, I always found Ben's dramatic face-heel turns to be rather jarring. It's like one moment he's evil and one moment he's best buddies with all of them
Yes, and thats why people love him, he is a complex character, he didnt do all of that because he was a mastermind, he did it because he needs to, thats the only thing he can do, he can do what every average person can do,LIE
All John wanted is to stay on that island, so should just stay there without convincing and dragging other people to that idea. If they don't want they can go, why stop them. That was his tragedy , involvement, and kinda care of other people. He really understood that island and could live there really happy fulfilled life
So why did Ben shoot him one time and left him in a giant hole and then strangle him to death after getting vital information? If bearded Jack were to somehow find out the truth of how John died, he would’ve killed Ben right then and there.
Meh, the first time he saw him after Ben shot him in the hole he was angry at him. You might say that's because he killed that girl and if he would have died that wouldn't have happened but jack didn't really care enough to be REALLY angry for someone killing Locke. Most of the time he just thinks of him as an old bald man getting in his way (which isn't true) The only time he actually ever had something for him was in the last season or when he actually died (and he didn't really seem sad when he looked at his body) but imo I think he would have reacted a little more than before he actually died
I just noticed you also mentioned where he strangled him so my bad. But my point still stands. And he strangled Locke because Ben knew he had to die (there's also a bit of jealousy) What I find most sad is when he was planning to kill him again after he was "brought" back alive by the island (which wasn't real Locke but been didn't know that. And this was confirmed by MiB acting like his daughter. Although we don't know if that was speculation or not) there was literally no reason to kill him again
The magic box is Damon Lindelof's writing. He's literally using a character in this scene to tell us (the audience) how he writes these stories. And it's funny as hell, once you get it. _"What if I told you that somewhere on this island, there's a very large box. . . . and whatever you imagined, whatever you wanted to be in it . . . when you opened that box . . . there it would be."_ That's some masterful trolling, right there.
The most beautiful part of this scene is that Ben is describing the ability of the Island/Light/Source that answers EVERYTHING, and Locke, plus us, the audience, don't believe a word Ben says because he's usually lying. ruclips.net/video/12-WXcIpkjY/видео.html
If jacob appeared to everyone in season 1 episode 1 there would be so many deaths that could be avoided I think but also the show would be over in a heartbeat
Ben says he was born on the island, but later, we see that his mother gave birth to him in the woods (coming into labor early), and his parents, holding new-born Ben, ran to the highway for help. Later, 11-year-old quiet Ben arrives on the island. So was Ben lying when he said "I was born on the island." ?
"Where do you get electricity" "We have 2 giant hamsters, running a massive wheel in our secret underground lair." I just realised this is not far from the truth. The truth is that on the island there were at least two polar bears(giant hamsters) turning the frozen donkey wheel in the secret underground lair. They were turning the energy that makes the island special and gives it, it's power. Mind Blown
The two polar bears was on the outside cages where Kate and Sawyer was in season 3... I don't remember there wheels in the bear cages 🤔 or anywhere in the series...
@@lauramaeva98 I said they turned the frozen donkey wheel that moves the island. Which we know is true because in season 4 we find that there is a polar bear skeleton in the Tunisian desert, which is where you appear after you move the island, just like Ben and Locke did.
The Bears were just under observation like every other animal the Dharma Initiative tested. The wheel place specifically has a ladder to reach it and a small corridor. It was only used (if more than twice btw) by humans, maybe a bear was close enough in the vicinity to warp. it's a strange outlier.
And the Island is always special, always powerful, regardless of what's affecting it. The wheel simply taps into that and makes the latent time/reality warping powers manifest by confusing the light/water ratio.
Since I recognize that you Locke fans have difficulty with metaphors, here's how it works: The island is the state of nature. Ben was born in the state of nature. Not everything is literal, especially in a television show.
The dark meat of chicken was prettt racist, especially when John pause when he said "I never 'APPRECIATED'....(Black People) Chicken, until now, until i actually tasted a black person filled with chicken.....smh
Wow, that chemistry between them two.... It's amazing. I love it.
I just Couldn't believe when he choked John to death and after talking him out of suicide minutes earlier to, man that was insane stuff/moment, its good in hindsight as far as genuine tragedy and shocks go but still just horrible I mean John let his guard down around Ben semi trusted him and in the end he bit him from behind like a snake in a moment of vulnerability and weakness. But that aside for sure every single scene they had together from first timer they mat late in season 2 to Johns last day was amazing stuff by both characters/actors!
@Akshay Natu Reminds me of the story of Abel and Cain.
This is why Lost is good. Not the mysteries but the characters and the ensemble cast of amazing actors who gave performances like this every episode.
Exactly, the people who hated on the finale lost sight of this
Despite Ben manipulating Locke into doing exactly what he wants that wheelchair comment really struck him. Nice to see Locke get a little jab in that actually hurts Ben
Locke was gonna blow up the submarine regardless
Dialogue like this is so thrilling and well-done. Not really any external action happening yet it is incredibly entertaining. Early seasons of Game of Thrones had many well-written scenes like this, especially scenes between Varys and Littlefinger.
"I was born on this island." Lying is like breathing to him.
well you see him later coming as a young one but that doens rmean he didnt went there since young years so he ld be still born into it
@@stillgotyourmomHe wasnt born on the island, there's no way around that. Ben telling Locke he was is just a part of his game and trying to convince Locke he's better than him.
Thats what he's saying???@@Adam-cs3ld
I am just watching this episode for the first time - and I paused and looked the scene up just to like it anywhere :D
The score truly makes the scene
He wasn't lying bout the wheel
Chair*
But linus lied about being born on the island
@@alucard2010 born just outside of Portland
@@chrislewis8706 he still lied. He wasn't born on the Island
2:45 the moment Ben decided he was going to kill Locke.
I wonder if Locke still appreciated chicken that much after he left the Island, and asked Matthew Abaddon to take him to Mr. Cluck's Chicken Shack in between his Oceanic Six visits.
Celebok Or Los Pollos Hermanoes
DannygsfgTV Haha! :-)
One of the great episodes
This is by far the greatest scene of the show. My god.
Lol it’s a good one but not even close to the best scene guy
It's a racist scene
This is the scene that conceals the answer to EVERYTHING left ambiguous by the ending
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Thats the best scene of the series, hands down!
It's a racist scene
This conversation is very deep
Great fucking scene I miss Lost
This scene is racist....
The next scene with these guys is just as amazing
Man I miss this show 😩
Locke loved that damn island, he deserved to be the protector.
1:43 _" What if I told you that somewhere on this island, there's a very large box. . . . and whatever you imagined, whatever you wanted to be in it . . . when you opened that box . . . there it would be."_
LOL. This is literally Damon Lindelof telling us how he writes these stories. That is masterful trolling.
what. I don't get it. Is this one of those "they make up the stories as it goes on1!1!" moments?
‘Magic box’ storytelling is very hit and miss.
Its a metaphor dont forget
It's also how the miracles of the Island, and the forms of the Smoke Monster, work. Flashbacks are the dramatization of what the characters want, and the Island makes it happen by way of the infinite possibility in the Source (the Source created the Monster/Defense Mechanism, turned into the Man in Black by Jacob's remorse, just like everyone else's remorse turns it into stuff).
Bonus: The Series Finale opens on the montage of a mystery/magic box, and Desmond was sent to the Sideways by being blasted by the Light while in a VERY LARGE BOX. Each character's flash sideways storyline is based around what they still WANTED at the time of death. The Flash Sideways is the ultimate expression of the Magic Box, the actual true nature of the Island.
Ben is wearing these same pajamas when he sees his Mom's ghost, later revealed to be the Monster appearing temporarily (as it does off Island a few times). Ben never considered the Magic Box and the Monster were the same thing, never considered that good is permanently connected to evil.
ruclips.net/video/12-WXcIpkjY/видео.html
@@gibby525 the video is private
So the question is, was Ben lying about being born on the island to give himself more credibility, or did he genuinely view himself as being born on the island because it was the place where he found himself?
That's a good question. I think a little bit of both.
i think is most the second, remember in season 5 young ben was shot by Sayid, and then Kate and Sawyer took him to richard for save Ben. Richard said he never be the same person once he took him to the temple. So maybe he rebirth in a the Ben we know in the entire series.
BTW sorry if i made a mistake, english is not my native language
both
I literally just answered that in a comment above you. And yes he wasn't born on the island. Do you mean not physical?
@@diegocastrogutierrez3005 I'm pretty sure ben means physical birth
Locke always owning ben lol!!!
Nah Ben owned Locke almost every time....this is literally the only time things were reversed lol
Well at least until the end......man I still cant believe that kill....
@@supremeworld87 yes but ben knows he is especial, inclusive he knows he is telling the truth
@@supremeworld87 sadly ben manipulited him
you guys should know that ben wants locke to blow up that sub. he makes lock believe that it is his own idea when its clearly ben who wants it the most. its a con.
Ben was messing with Locke so much because he was such a weak, shriveled little pathetic weasel that he couldn't deal with the fact that Locke had a deeper, more powerful connection with the Island than Ben himself ever did. And Ben lying to Locke about not pushing the button...that the numbers simply reset once they displayed those symbols without him entering any numbers or pushing any buttons is what led to the Island's location being revealed, causing Widmore's freighter arrival, Keamey and his assault team, the bomb on the Kahana and the killings of all those people including Rousseau and Alex. Ben manipulating Locke (to the point of killing him) gave the Smoke thing the loophole it needed to kill Jacob. Ben...the bug-eyed bass terd is the one that created all that misery (including torturing Kate and Sawyer and Jack...just for the surgery). Ben getting caught and exposed as a liar (the artist formerly known as Henry Gale) forcing the others to bait Michael with Walt into freeing Ben is what led to the deaths of Ana Lucia and Libby. Ben's little ego crusades cost a LOT of lives. He even stabbed Keamey to death even after learning about the dead man's switch linked to Keamey's heart rate. Ben is directly responsible for ALL their deaths.
So I don't get all the posters who praise Ben as some kind of mastermind. He's complete idiot that sent his daughter out to into the jungle which caused her and her mother and her boyfriend to get killed. He had that secret closet he could have hidden them inside...and also that secreter closet too!
Yeah, I always found Ben's dramatic face-heel turns to be rather jarring. It's like one moment he's evil and one moment he's best buddies with all of them
Ben thinks he’s cleverer than he actually is and cares little for the consequences of his actions.
you forgot the most important one, he killed jacob
I believe thats why at the End he stays on the bench instead of going with the rest of them, He's headed somewhere else.
Yes, and thats why people love him, he is a complex character, he didnt do all of that because he was a mastermind, he did it because he needs to, thats the only thing he can do, he can do what every average person can do,LIE
All John wanted is to stay on that island, so should just stay there without convincing and dragging other people to that idea. If they don't want they can go, why stop them. That was his tragedy , involvement, and kinda care of other people. He really understood that island and could live there really happy fulfilled life
I just realized the irony that Ben's lie about the box is that he brought Locke's father on the sub that he seeks to destroy.
BEN LOOKING AT THE PICTURES OF ALEX T^T
Omg your right
Ben enjoys holding all the information, and to see Locke challenge him demonstrates a worthy opponent.
you are hypocrite> i was waiting so long so that some one could say that to BEN
So why did Ben shoot him one time and left him in a giant hole and then strangle him to death after getting vital information? If bearded Jack were to somehow find out the truth of how John died, he would’ve killed Ben right then and there.
He was jealous
Meh, the first time he saw him after Ben shot him in the hole he was angry at him. You might say that's because he killed that girl and if he would have died that wouldn't have happened but jack didn't really care enough to be REALLY angry for someone killing Locke. Most of the time he just thinks of him as an old bald man getting in his way (which isn't true)
The only time he actually ever had something for him was in the last season or when he actually died (and he didn't really seem sad when he looked at his body) but imo I think he would have reacted a little more than before he actually died
I just noticed you also mentioned where he strangled him so my bad. But my point still stands. And he strangled Locke because Ben knew he had to die (there's also a bit of jealousy)
What I find most sad is when he was planning to kill him again after he was "brought" back alive by the island (which wasn't real Locke but been didn't know that. And this was confirmed by MiB acting like his daughter. Although we don't know if that was speculation or not) there was literally no reason to kill him again
@@masterofdragons82 Ben didn't know any of that. He was jealous of Locke. He tells him this in the finale.
@@Marcher1977 I know. That’s what I said
And the magic box is ... ?
The source
A phallacy...his dad
The magic box is Damon Lindelof's writing. He's literally using a character in this scene to tell us (the audience) how he writes these stories. And it's funny as hell, once you get it.
_"What if I told you that somewhere on this island, there's a very large box. . . . and whatever you imagined, whatever you wanted to be in it . . . when you opened that box . . . there it would be."_
That's some masterful trolling, right there.
Locke’s father - the man that made his life a misery
Locke's father in the black rock
Ben and Locke had the best chemistry between two characters in the whole show
best scene
"Но вы Джон уже сделали свой выбор"
The most beautiful part of this scene is that Ben is describing the ability of the Island/Light/Source that answers EVERYTHING, and Locke, plus us, the audience, don't believe a word Ben says because he's usually lying.
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2:42 mmaaaaannnn :0
Locke
💚
John would have done a good job as Jacob. Even Jacob was a hypocrite and left the island numerous times.
Even tho Locke made total sense I would love this scene more if Locke enjoyed less guns, running water and chicken in the refrigirator
For as great as Locke is, hes also a bit of hypocrite himself.
I forgive him though.
@@danielgray2661 Can you give me some examples>
You,are a hypocrite, Pharisee) xD
If jacob appeared to everyone in season 1 episode 1 there would be so many deaths that could be avoided I think but also the show would be over in a heartbeat
Ben says he was born on the island, but later, we see that his mother gave birth to him in the woods (coming into labor early), and his parents, holding new-born Ben, ran to the highway for help. Later, 11-year-old quiet Ben arrives on the island. So was Ben lying when he said "I was born on the island." ?
Amy
Depends what he means by ‘born’. Not all births are physical.
Yes. He confirmed this in one of the episodes. He came to the island later when he was 12 or so.
@sulphurblue I guess at the time I meant that some people only later in life become the people they’re meant to be.
To this day I still don't get the purpose of the mystery box line, it was obviously symbolic but idk what it led to.
"Where do you get electricity"
"We have 2 giant hamsters, running a massive wheel in our secret underground lair."
I just realised this is not far from the truth. The truth is that on the island there were at least two polar bears(giant hamsters) turning the frozen donkey wheel in the secret underground lair. They were turning the energy that makes the island special and gives it, it's power.
Mind Blown
The two polar bears was on the outside cages where Kate and Sawyer was in season 3... I don't remember there wheels in the bear cages 🤔 or anywhere in the series...
@@lauramaeva98 I said they turned the frozen donkey wheel that moves the island. Which we know is true because in season 4 we find that there is a polar bear skeleton in the Tunisian desert, which is where you appear after you move the island, just like Ben and Locke did.
Ooh okay 😌
The Bears were just under observation like every other animal the Dharma Initiative tested. The wheel place specifically has a ladder to reach it and a small corridor. It was only used (if more than twice btw) by humans, maybe a bear was close enough in the vicinity to warp. it's a strange outlier.
And the Island is always special, always powerful, regardless of what's affecting it. The wheel simply taps into that and makes the latent time/reality warping powers manifest by confusing the light/water ratio.
I-MOUSHANAL DE-MIDGE
Since I recognize that you Locke fans have difficulty with metaphors, here's how it works:
The island is the state of nature.
Ben was born in the state of nature.
Not everything is literal, especially in a television show.
The Man from Talahassee
The Island is earth, flat Earth
Good reason
And I dont get the big deal with making a community on the island either.
The dark meat of chicken was prettt racist, especially when John pause when he said "I never 'APPRECIATED'....(Black People) Chicken, until now, until i actually tasted a black person filled with chicken.....smh
ruclips.net/video/CvpjMXNLsAs/видео.html that's not chicken it's leftover dharma initiative