You can tell how much Terry O'Quinn poured himself into the role of both John Locke and The Man in Black he had very little time to prepare and he nailed it I don't even see any real ounce of John Locke in those eyes very well done.
It's funny because in season 5, you can see this as well, yet according to O'Quinn, he just played Locke with newfound confidence. So I think it's just a case of lightning in a bottle.
@@jamlym4974 haven't you seen when John was talking to Walt on first season explaining about the board game. despite that was John but MIB was surely in him.
Thank you. Was looking for someone to point this out. When Smokey in Lock guise was talking about John Locke and his faith in the Island he was in the light and spoke very much the way John Locke sounded, and then when he was being Smokey he moved back into the shadows. Really excellent blocking and scene staging.
He chooose precisely Locke to kill and then impersonate, because he was the only one of losties who believed in the island and didn't want to go. The monster needed that everyone of them leave the island so he can leave the island with them, too. He could have chosen Jack or Sawyer to impersonate, but he didn't want that, because they were weak for him, and they didn't want to stay on the island.
That look Locke gives at the end is some of the most amazing acting in the series. Even in the past five seasons before this when Locke was angry he never looked like that. Man, that’s what’s so amazing about Terry O’Quinn
Just stunningly acted. Terry O’Quinn brought such raw and visceral emotion to this scene; it was palpable. The anger and frustration of having been trapped on the Island for so many millennia.
At 1:47 the scene is amazing...the writers and directors are amazing because at this ONLY MOMENT on this scene...the Monster are on the light, and during that moment, he speak about Locke who understand since DAY ONE what Jacob wants for them all: "moving on, leave their citizen existence behind and embrace the island". And after he tell that, the true light side...;then he go back in the shadow....because the light side is to embrace the island: to move on and left behind those difficulties represented by the flashbacks during the tv show... And the dark side is the monster, jacob's brother who wants go leave, to go BEHIND to the civilisation and who USE Lostie's past to manipulate and torture them. AWESOME!
I would hope that the afterlife bring some kind of reckoning like that. Where rapists, murders, people who beat others, people who cheat, people who bilk etc face their sins looking into the likeness of those they harmed knowing they can do NOTHING to harm them or avoid them.
Thanos reminds me of Terry’s rendition of the Man in Black. The elegance, snake charm and class make him so fascinating to watch. You just know Terry loved playing the big bad after years of playing such sad and lonely character.
John Locke . Was probably the most powerful and spiritual character. The serie was a truly masterpiece. But certainly Locke was the most important character. very very powerful character.
1:16 this locke smile is so iconic and i love how it is used here for such a tragic line - it is just like shaking his head because of how depressing and sad this is - love it so much
I slightly disagreed I believe Season 1 and Season 6 were spiritually and philosophically at heart HOWEVER I felt Season 2 dove more into the scientific aspect of things of things. Season 2 and Season 5 were more scientifically driven because it dove into the Dharma Initiative.
Terry O'Quinn was incredible in this scene. I was thinking to myself, I want John Locke back, not this person and yet Terry is playing a completely different person in the body of John Locke. Not to mention how hes moving in and out of the light, going back from darkness to lightness. He nailed it.
Beyond the flawless acting, the speech O'Quinn gives is the perfect and well-written way to summarize Locke's character. Lost is full of speeches, and it's bloody well written, seriously.
every time I hear smokey bad mouthing MY favorite character, Locke, I feel like punching smokey in the face and saying "Don't you dear talk about John that way. John Locke was a much better man then you will ever become, He was a great man who showed me the truth about this island so don't you dear talk about him like that"
This is honestly one of my favorite villain monologues in fiction. It's a creepy idea to have some Eldritch Abomination take over a dead man's body and unnerve the man's murderer by giving a brutal deconstruction of the victim's final thoughts, motivations, and place in the world. Brilliant dialogue and performances all around in this scene.
The man in black kinda knew that Locke was the only man to take out. Lock was the only man that wanted to be in the island. he was the ideal candidate to replace jacob.
Terry O’Quinn was magnificent in this show easily one of the best actors on it and John Locke was a brilliant character, he played both characters so well and differently
I especially like how he was able to play something pretending to be Locke but carrying a kind of disgust for who Locke was. The way the Locke-ness monster describes Locke as a gullible, weak-minded, needy pathetic fool, while looking and sounding like Locke is a master class in acting.
Rose didn't want to leave because her cancer was cured. John didn't want to leave because he found purpose and meaning by being on the Island. Remember John got visions, the Island spoke to him.
Also, he may have been talking about candidates when he said "them". I don't think Rose would've been a candidate, or if she was, she was crossed off pretty quickly. Rose had a happy life with her husband, and wanted nothing to do with all the island drama. I'd assume Jacob would know that, and respect her wishes.
MIB summed up Locke's character perfectly. Locke was indecisive, crazy and unpredictable....he wasn't a heroic character. Realistically, I would follow Jack more than Locke. BUT Locke was the first one who immediately got the big picture - The Island is special. That was Locke's specialness, not coz he can walk again but he was right about the Island the moment he arrived there.
The thing that gets me is that the Man in Black is sometimes surprising logical and rational. I found myself really agreeing with him on a lot of things.
Locke's last thought being, "I don't understand" is so fucking heartbreaking. That poor man...all he wanted out of life was to find meaning, a purpose, a sense of belonging, and at nearly every turn, life just said, "nah!" Then he gets pulled into this thousands of years old battle of wits between two demigods trying to prove/disprove William Golding's main thesis, bringing him to this Island of Doctor Moreau, *finally* giving him the sense of purpose he'd wanted all his life. Then he's tricked into leaving the Island so he can be murdered after failing to convince the Six to come back. All so *this* entity could finally kill Jacob and escape the Island. While it's a small comfort, I'm glad that Jack finally understood Locke and told Smokey "You’re not John Locke. You disrespect his memory by wearing his face but you’re nothing like him."
I think Ben hearing what John thought made him realized all the people he killed probably thought the same thing. Although John was willing to forgive him, he had a lot of people he needed to ask for forgiveness…including his father who probably thought the same thing when Ben used poison gas on him. I think this is why he decided not to cross over with the rest of group.
The scene is actually scary as hell, that it looks and sounds just like locke. But is actually pure evil, and an all knowing man, basically since he knew what locke was thinking when he died and can be any dead person.
Ironic that despite MiB understanding how "pitiful" life is off the island, he's very desperate to leave. Where does he plan to go? And do what? Work at the box company?
for him it is the right opposite - he had a bad time on the island so he wants to leave this pitful life to start a new one in new territory and with freedom
Yes well thats why he said that "here is the great irony". To him being trapped in the island against his free will is hell to him as he never made that choice himself.
@David Rea the problem is though, it wasnt the MIB who was prevented to leave, it was the smoke monster. It takes the identity of those who died and Jacob killed his brother before his body went into that cave and their entire memories/goals. So the only reason it wanted to leave was because MIB wanted to leave and so it found the loophole in both the MIB's death and John Locke. That is why Jacob doesnt allow him to leave because it is not really his brother. Also, the monster feeds and gets bigger the worse a person is, just the episode with Keamy and his mercenaries made it so much bigger, imagine the total global negativity from everyone else off the island... That is literally why they do not want him to leave the island because everything would be killed by him.
@@DarknessIsThePath I don't get why so many people don't realize that it's NOT Jacob's brother. Jacob sent his brother into the Source...the brother could not be killed based on "Mother's" rules. So the paradox of death from electromagnetism was created because MiB couldn't be killed. Instead, his consciousness was imprinted onto the energy within the Source (apparently containing both the elements of Light and Dark). The negative component of that energy became sentient. This negative aspect is neutral when merged with the Light aspect; they are in balance and harmony. But when the displaced from balance and imbued with MiB's consciousness, "It" "felt" it had spent eternity "trapped" within the Source bound to the Light aspect. It "feels" that way, because MiB's consciousness was imprinted on to it. Now freed by MiB being tossed into the Source (before the cork system was there) that energy made conscious carried MiB's disdain for humanity, his desire to "leave the Island", and resentment of what Jacob did to him (squeal on him to Mother to keep him on the Island, causing his hopes of getting off the Island to get thwarted, beating him and throwing him into the Source). The malevolence that is that energy if removed from the Island would cause an imbalance that would destroy the balance. What was happening to the Island would happen everywhere.
He is gonna play the main villain of the walking dead universe as Major General Beale and his character is brutal and scary, he was only mentioned by other characters.
It was shown that the Others had a farm where there are horses, the black horse just happened to look the same as Kate's as one of the many mysterious coincidences in the show like Charlie finding heroine in the plane or Sawyer being at the same bar Jack's dad was, etc.
I hate Ben for what he did to take John Locke's life makes me sick. Such a sad character and yet the smartest and wisest one of the group. If only they stayed on the island and had everyone get along. None of this would of happen.
In a way, the show runners were telling us something about humanity. Look at where Ben ended up and how things went for him for all his petty manipulations and gaslighting he pulled. His people got annihilated. He lost his leadership position. He child he raised as his own daughter got murdered with the last words she heard from his mouth being "she means nothing to me", the Island he so devotedly protected came under total threat. Sure John Locke was exploited, duped, and ultimately killed, but his nobility, his faith, his genuineness and depth of belief converted Jack from a purely man of science to a man of both science and faith. Ben but for Hugo's mercy and need for practical guidance, would have been left all alone with NOTHING and NOBODY. In the after-life waiting room, Ben was unable to move on. While Locke was as total peace and able to transcend the pains of his mortal life.
It would have been cool if the MIB did make it to Los Angeles. I'd imagine like a Coming to America kind of thing. There could be a scene of him not knowing how money works or being confused by a television remote.
@UrijahFaberbeast I recenylt watched all 6 seasons in a row with almost no break and i take my words back. Lost is one of the best shows ever made, the story is amazing, the writing is amazing, the acting is so good that it feels like real, but the only problem i still have from all this is that the last seasons leaves so many questions while they had so many time to figure out a plot to awnser them in the last season; Other than that, i take my words back about Lost. I'm sad that there is no 7.
He did also say he was admirable which is a big compliment to someone's character. He was sad, pathetic and lonely in the real world,, but he knew it which is why he wanted to stay and protect the island from that "real world".
Sad reality about John Locke, it's that he was always a pawn, his entire life. He thought he was special, only to be used by another person to achieve their interest. 1. His father used him to get his kidney. 2. Used by Ben many times. 3. That FBI guy gained his trust, only to get to those people growing weed and other drugs. And he considered Locke, only because he was an easy to gain trust. 4. MiB, when he slowly poisoned his mind, by believing he was special and that he understands island more than anyone else. 5. Jacob! Which is most important, he was never meant to be a replacement for Jacob as an Candidate, he was used by Jacob, brought back to life when he fell from building, gotten through all the pain in life, only to be the one to make Jack believer, so last one can take Jacobs place. Everything hes gotten through, everything he did for the island, was only to make Jack believe into everything and to agree to take position.
Evolution is exactly that...our prior iterations struggle, sacrifice and falter and fail, but live long enough just to give life to a successor who likewise lives just long enough to appoint the next successor. We are used by many throughout life. Our employers use our skill and physical/mental energy for profit, our children in effect use our efforts to grow and strengthen and embark on their own journey. Politicians use the electorate to feather their nests of power, wealth and privilege. Insurance companies gather our funds and are in some cases loathe to cover medical products and services and they are profit gathering entities. More examples could be cited here...but you get the picture.
Rick Grimes: you can’t break me Major General Beale Major General Beale: just listen to me you can’t go home. Rick Grimes: intimidated and s5 Rick mode
Just because he was tricked doesn't mean he wasn't still badass, and it's been happening all his life if you watch the flashbacks. I kind of wish that Locke had not been killed off and had ended up taking over from Jacob, but I like the monster using Locke's form as well, it added a nice twist to the story.
He played: 1) Broken, angry, disillusioned (pre-Island) John Locke; 2) Inspired, purpose driven, faith-filled (on Island) John Locke; 3) Desperate, suicidal, defeated John Locke (off-island) ; 4) Resurrected fake John Locke (Smokey pretending to Locke) and luring the audience along with him; 5) Dropped pretenses Smokey as John Locke; 6) pure malevolent, filled with disdain for humanity Smokey as John Locke. In each rendition, Terry O'Quinn gave us some subtle notes that revealed the difference in those persona and later individuals. And observational aside: Note that pre-Island Jack was also broken; his marriage to Sara failed. He became destructively obsessed with finding out who she left HIM for. Though it's NOT entirely clear, Jack exposing his father's (Christian) alcohol consumption before a surgery where a patient died, the cause of which Jack attributed to his father's inebriated state may have caused Christian to be either fired from the hospital and his medical license revoked or suspended on the condition of getting cleaned up and demonstrating sustained sobriety etc. Regardless, Jack's relentless pursuit of answers regarding his failed marriage caused Christian to relapse likely annihilating any chance (if there was one at all) of Christian returning to the practice of medicine. Christian bails LA to go to Sydney, and he's on an end of the road bender which ultimately costs him his life which may have been the plan all along. Jack comes to Sydney wracked with guilt that he was the catalyst for what happened to his father. Before he comes to the Island, Jack felt adrift and rudderless. He was already starting down the road of self-medicating. The aftermath of crash of Oceanic 815 gave Jack tremendous purpose and direction. He was rescuing people, leading them. He was shepherding (pardon the pun) them to safety and survival, guiding their decisions based on his knowledge as a doctor. Like John, Jack's efforts on Island became obsessive and monolithic. Once off Island, Jack temporarily builds what appears to be happy life on the way to genuine fulfillment. This unravels quickly. Jack develops growing guilt over the survivors still left on the Island. Jack his haunted by the notion that he left his half-sister Claire on the Island, and that to taking her son Aaron away from her as well. The final straw is Kate covertly fulfilling Sawyer's wishes regarding Clementine. This secret begins to unravel Jack. Jack sees an image of Christian in his LA office. For John, these visions solidify his sense of purpose and grant him a sense of meaning and impetus. For Jack, quite the opposite these visions/sightings/phenomena unravel his staunchly rational mind and ego structure. Jack like his father, turns to self-medicate with alcohol and then prescription drugs. Jack, like John, becomes suicidal. Returning to the Island brings Jack back to a sense of purpose and in the end, Jack finds a peace even with his own demise being eminent, is accepting and without any inner conflict.
@Wombaggins Somehow i feel sorry for the mib. His childhood dream of "going home" never came true, he was a victim himself. As much as Jacob was..Very sad story actually.. Btw: i would choose the island too :)
What confused me is that Smokey lost his powers when the cork was removed, which is why he could be killed. If escaping the island would mean living as a normal human, why would he even be a threat if he got to the mainland?
John Lee because everyone goes to hell if he gets off the island. The happy reunion in the afterlife doesn't happen because the light that engulfs them in the church is the same light as on the island.
MiB had Hurley's power to talk to the dead, the Mile's power to read their last thoughts before they die, but did not have Desmond's power to resist magnetism and his premonitions. I wonder if there is a reason for this.
2:05 Here I see the monster got caught up in Locke's emotions, and almost seems sad for what he's done to the man. Or at least that's the way I view it. Remember, smoke monster takes on personality and memories of those it possesses. At least in part.
I believe the Dharma folks were killed by "The Others" who were acting on orders from who they thought was Jacob. MiB pretended to be Jacob because the Leader of the others never met Jacob. Only Richard did. And Richard deferred to the leaders like Widmore and Ben to meet with and carry out Jacobs orders. The Cabin wasn't Jacob, it was MiB...trapped in the ash circle. Ben took Locke to meet where Ben thought Jacob would be. But it was actually MiB impersonating Jacob. And when MiB put on a show and "spoke" to John Locke, that's when Ben shot him and left him in a ditch where the Dharma bodies were dumped. The Dharma folks were purged sometime after the Incident when Jack and company set off the nuclear device to counter act the Island's electromagnetic energy from massively discharging when the Dharma people were drilling too far into the Island's core.
"I want to go home" It made you think there was so much more going on in the mythology. Unfortunately there wasn't, Across the Sea was so disappointing.
I'm from Zagreb and I had to leave my apartment because the building was damaged by the earthquake that occurred on March 22. Ben: What do you want? Me: Well, that's the great irony here Ben, because I want the one thing that people during the corona pandemic didn't. I want to go home.
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Terry O'Quinn is a FANTASTIC actor. The way he plays a completely different character who looks exactly the same is amazing.
no shit sherlock , for me to be genuine he is a god ♡♡
Najwa El Megder that’s blasphemy
these scenes have aged pretty well.
Duh, that is what actors do, they play different characters, that look the same, since the same actor plays them. Amazing.
@@wouterdeheus3626 not often in the same show though
You can tell how much Terry O'Quinn poured himself into the role of both John Locke and The Man in Black he had very little time to prepare and he nailed it I don't even see any real ounce of John Locke in those eyes very well done.
Absolutely , he is defenitly a great actor.Cause was feeling that Locke and MIB are played by two different actors despite the same appereance.
Yeah, especially that scary face at the end. Never saw that from John Locke.
It's funny because in season 5, you can see this as well, yet according to O'Quinn, he just played Locke with newfound confidence. So I think it's just a case of lightning in a bottle.
@@jamlym4974 haven't you seen when John was talking to Walt on first season explaining about the board game. despite that was John but MIB was surely in him.
@@AwesometimeEdits How would he not know that? You're mistaking this for Michael Emerson didn't knowing that Henry Gale would become Benjamin Linus.
I love the use of shadow and light while telling the Locke story.
Thank you. Was looking for someone to point this out. When Smokey in Lock guise was talking about John Locke and his faith in the Island he was in the light and spoke very much the way John Locke sounded, and then when he was being Smokey he moved back into the shadows. Really excellent blocking and scene staging.
@@victorpradha9946 and the music picks up too when in the light
wow you're right amazing
He chooose precisely Locke to kill and then impersonate, because he was the only one of losties who believed in the island and didn't want to go. The monster needed that everyone of them leave the island so he can leave the island with them, too. He could have chosen Jack or Sawyer to impersonate, but he didn't want that, because they were weak for him, and they didn't want to stay on the island.
"I don't understand." This line plays in my mind from time to time hehe. Lost is the first series that I watched and also my favorite hehe
0:31 "You used me."
Heh, that's a helluva a thing for Benjamin Linus to say.
0:31
A professional realizing that he was taken in by one of his own strengths.
It's amazing how, despite O'Quinn looking the same and sounding the same, you can completely tell he is playing two seperate characters..
Yeah...so few actors can do that. Most ALWAYS look, move, enunciate, emote the same in virtually every role they play.
That look that Terry O'Quinn gives at the end always chills me.
"Terry O'Quinn is the face of Lost." I am with you there.
"I don't understand".. love the delivery of that line. Great scene.
Terry O'Quinn is the face of Lost. That's why the writers knew they had to keep him even after he was killed off ;D
Terry O'Quinn is the face of Lost because he plays two characters that both equally lost but in polar opposite ways.
Terry O'Quinn is the face of Lost because Lost is the face of Terry O'Quinn
Terry O'Quinn is the face of lost, because Terry is the face of O'Quinn.
If they removed him I would’ve been so pissed
@@RandomShowerThoughts Face is the Lost of Terry O'Quinn, because Terry O'Quinn is the Lost of Face
That look Locke gives at the end is some of the most amazing acting in the series. Even in the past five seasons before this when Locke was angry he never looked like that. Man, that’s what’s so amazing about Terry O’Quinn
Well, it's not Locke, so...
5 years ago i watch this scene and i never forget a single second
Just stunningly acted. Terry O’Quinn brought such raw and visceral emotion to this scene; it was palpable. The anger and frustration of having been trapped on the Island for so many millennia.
At 1:47 the scene is amazing...the writers and directors are amazing because at this ONLY MOMENT on this scene...the Monster are on the light, and during that moment, he speak about Locke who understand since DAY ONE what Jacob wants for them all: "moving on, leave their citizen existence behind and embrace the island".
And after he tell that, the true light side...;then he go back in the shadow....because the light side is to embrace the island: to move on and left behind those difficulties represented by the flashbacks during the tv show...
And the dark side is the monster, jacob's brother who wants go leave, to go BEHIND to the civilisation and who USE Lostie's past to manipulate and torture them.
AWESOME!
Overated
the scariest thing is someone else in the body of the man u killed telling you what he felt xd
Big time
I would hope that the afterlife bring some kind of reckoning like that. Where rapists, murders, people who beat others, people who cheat, people who bilk etc face their sins looking into the likeness of those they harmed knowing they can do NOTHING to harm them or avoid them.
Damn, that look at the end though. Pure evil
I love how captivatingly ethereal Mr. O'Quinn is here. Not a surprise he got that Emmy.
Thanos reminds me of Terry’s rendition of the Man in Black. The elegance, snake charm and class make him so fascinating to watch. You just know Terry loved playing the big bad after years of playing such sad and lonely character.
two of the greatest actors in history together in a magnificent scene, my god Terry O'Quinn is great
Terry O'Quinn and Michael Emerson are two of the finest actors that i've ever seen in TV.
John Locke . Was probably the most powerful and spiritual character. The serie was a truly masterpiece. But certainly Locke was the most important character. very very powerful character.
1:16 this locke smile is so iconic and i love how it is used here for such a tragic line - it is just like shaking his head because of how depressing and sad this is - love it so much
this was the saddest thing i've ever heard
a 24 fan and a LOST fan. I could get along with you.
@@apple54345 ok same here
Season 6 was solid and spiritual at heart. It was very similar to season 1 and 2 in style
I slightly disagreed I believe Season 1 and Season 6 were spiritually and philosophically at heart HOWEVER I felt Season 2 dove more into the scientific aspect of things of things. Season 2 and Season 5 were more scientifically driven because it dove into the Dharma Initiative.
"That look at the end." That's it. That's the comment.
Its awesome that Ben is being so handily manipulated by someone wearing the face of the man he himself masterfully manipulated and ultimately killed.
Terry O'Quinn was incredible in this scene. I was thinking to myself, I want John Locke back, not this person and yet Terry is playing a completely different person in the body of John Locke. Not to mention how hes moving in and out of the light, going back from darkness to lightness. He nailed it.
This scene always made me choke up when he starts taking about John Locke, and then Immediately made me angry
Beyond the flawless acting, the speech O'Quinn gives is the perfect and well-written way to summarize Locke's character. Lost is full of speeches, and it's bloody well written, seriously.
every time I hear smokey bad mouthing MY favorite character, Locke, I feel like punching smokey in the face and saying "Don't you dear talk about John that way. John Locke was a much better man then you will ever become, He was a great man who showed me the truth about this island so don't you dear talk about him like that"
This is honestly one of my favorite villain monologues in fiction. It's a creepy idea to have some Eldritch Abomination take over a dead man's body and unnerve the man's murderer by giving a brutal deconstruction of the victim's final thoughts, motivations, and place in the world. Brilliant dialogue and performances all around in this scene.
Smokey shows his disdain for humanity. He piles up the bodies in the corner like they're garbage.
Good point
1:32 that hand gesture tho 😂
Yeah what was that about? Was he telling someone off cameras to put less sugar in his coffee or something?
@@FreshZCORD He was mocking Locke feeling like a victim. Obviously...
The man in black kinda knew that Locke was the only man to take out. Lock was the only man that wanted to be in the island. he was the ideal candidate to replace jacob.
probably some of the best acting you'll ever see on television
Terry O'Quinn's performance here is so amazing, you'd believe that it was actually Titus Welliver behind John Locke's avatar.
Terry O´Quinn performance this season is remarkable!
So evil!
This scene when he tells the story of Locke has always gotten a real reaction out of me because it reminds me of myself in many ways.
Sending virtual hugs
@user-gn7hy4pb8d Thank you my friend 👊
Terry O’Quinn was magnificent in this show easily one of the best actors on it and John Locke was a brilliant character, he played both characters so well and differently
I especially like how he was able to play something pretending to be Locke but carrying a kind of disgust for who Locke was. The way the Locke-ness monster describes Locke as a gullible, weak-minded, needy pathetic fool, while looking and sounding like Locke is a master class in acting.
"he was the only one of them who didn't want to leave."
Well that's just rude, how quickly Rose gets ignored.
Rose didn't want to leave because her cancer was cured. John didn't want to leave because he found purpose and meaning by being on the Island. Remember John got visions, the Island spoke to him.
Also, he may have been talking about candidates when he said "them". I don't think Rose would've been a candidate, or if she was, she was crossed off pretty quickly. Rose had a happy life with her husband, and wanted nothing to do with all the island drama. I'd assume Jacob would know that, and respect her wishes.
haha
MIB summed up Locke's character perfectly. Locke was indecisive, crazy and unpredictable....he wasn't a heroic character. Realistically, I would follow Jack more than Locke. BUT Locke was the first one who immediately got the big picture - The Island is special. That was Locke's specialness, not coz he can walk again but he was right about the Island the moment he arrived there.
Locke inspired Jack to be a man of faith
Jack is a superb executive, managing director type...Locke is a leader or rather the face of the mission.
2:25 when you're a little kid and your dad takes you to home depot to find something, cant find it, and says you need to go to another store
😂😂😂very specific but true
The thing that gets me is that the Man in Black is sometimes surprising logical and rational. I found myself really agreeing with him on a lot of things.
I thought smoke moster is talking about my life :/
Same here.
I love how it starts to play Locke's theme.
When exactly?
Locke's last thought being, "I don't understand" is so fucking heartbreaking. That poor man...all he wanted out of life was to find meaning, a purpose, a sense of belonging, and at nearly every turn, life just said, "nah!" Then he gets pulled into this thousands of years old battle of wits between two demigods trying to prove/disprove William Golding's main thesis, bringing him to this Island of Doctor Moreau, *finally* giving him the sense of purpose he'd wanted all his life. Then he's tricked into leaving the Island so he can be murdered after failing to convince the Six to come back.
All so *this* entity could finally kill Jacob and escape the Island. While it's a small comfort, I'm glad that Jack finally understood Locke and told Smokey "You’re not John Locke. You disrespect his memory by wearing his face but you’re nothing like him."
I think Ben hearing what John thought made him realized all the people he killed probably thought the same thing. Although John was willing to forgive him, he had a lot of people he needed to ask for forgiveness…including his father who probably thought the same thing when Ben used poison gas on him. I think this is why he decided not to cross over with the rest of group.
I agree. Not once did I think that was John Locke. Such a good villain.
This is not John Locke and John locke is not a villain
The scene is actually scary as hell, that it looks and sounds just like locke. But is actually pure evil, and an all knowing man, basically since he knew what locke was thinking when he died and can be any dead person.
Ironic that despite MiB understanding how "pitiful" life is off the island, he's very desperate to leave. Where does he plan to go? And do what? Work at the box company?
for him it is the right opposite - he had a bad time on the island so he wants to leave this pitful life to start a new one in new territory and with freedom
Yes well thats why he said that "here is the great irony". To him being trapped in the island against his free will is hell to him as he never made that choice himself.
He didn't say life is pitiful off the island for everyone, he said it was for John Locke.
@David Rea the problem is though, it wasnt the MIB who was prevented to leave, it was the smoke monster. It takes the identity of those who died and Jacob killed his brother before his body went into that cave and their entire memories/goals. So the only reason it wanted to leave was because MIB wanted to leave and so it found the loophole in both the MIB's death and John Locke. That is why Jacob doesnt allow him to leave because it is not really his brother. Also, the monster feeds and gets bigger the worse a person is, just the episode with Keamy and his mercenaries made it so much bigger, imagine the total global negativity from everyone else off the island...
That is literally why they do not want him to leave the island because everything would be killed by him.
@@DarknessIsThePath I don't get why so many people don't realize that it's NOT Jacob's brother. Jacob sent his brother into the Source...the brother could not be killed based on "Mother's" rules. So the paradox of death from electromagnetism was created because MiB couldn't be killed. Instead, his consciousness was imprinted onto the energy within the Source (apparently containing both the elements of Light and Dark). The negative component of that energy became sentient. This negative aspect is neutral when merged with the Light aspect; they are in balance and harmony. But when the displaced from balance and imbued with MiB's consciousness, "It" "felt" it had spent eternity "trapped" within the Source bound to the Light aspect. It "feels" that way, because MiB's consciousness was imprinted on to it.
Now freed by MiB being tossed into the Source (before the cork system was there) that energy made conscious carried MiB's disdain for humanity, his desire to "leave the Island", and resentment of what Jacob did to him (squeal on him to Mother to keep him on the Island, causing his hopes of getting off the Island to get thwarted, beating him and throwing him into the Source). The malevolence that is that energy if removed from the Island would cause an imbalance that would destroy the balance. What was happening to the Island would happen everywhere.
"Let's not resort to name calling."
2:32 Jesus fuck, that scowl... Terry O'Quinn should have played the Vulture in Spider-Man Homecoming
He is gonna play the main villain of the walking dead universe as Major General Beale and his character is brutal and scary, he was only mentioned by other characters.
say what you want about how the story ended but the writers always used really good dialogue throughout the show and the actors were always great.
Love the nod to apocalypse now in this scene. Randy even used to call Locke “the Colonel”
Sawyer even called him "Colonel Kurtz" once.
i like the play of light and dark the cinematographer does here
Smoke monster can also talk to dead, like miles.
Such a great actor.. A class.
It was shown that the Others had a farm where there are horses, the black horse just happened to look the same as Kate's as one of the many mysterious coincidences in the show like Charlie finding heroine in the plane or Sawyer being at the same bar Jack's dad was, etc.
JOHN LOCKE is a Man of Destiny and Faith
I hate Ben for what he did to take John Locke's life makes me sick.
Such a sad character and yet the smartest and wisest one of the group. If only they stayed on the island and had everyone get along. None of this would of happen.
Agreed
In a way, the show runners were telling us something about humanity. Look at where Ben ended up and how things went for him for all his petty manipulations and gaslighting he pulled. His people got annihilated. He lost his leadership position. He child he raised as his own daughter got murdered with the last words she heard from his mouth being "she means nothing to me", the Island he so devotedly protected came under total threat. Sure John Locke was exploited, duped, and ultimately killed, but his nobility, his faith, his genuineness and depth of belief converted Jack from a purely man of science to a man of both science and faith.
Ben but for Hugo's mercy and need for practical guidance, would have been left all alone with NOTHING and NOBODY. In the after-life waiting room, Ben was unable to move on. While Locke was as total peace and able to transcend the pains of his mortal life.
It would have been cool if the MIB did make it to Los Angeles. I'd imagine like a Coming to America kind of thing. There could be a scene of him not knowing how money works or being confused by a television remote.
Actually, he did know these things. He even was capable of building the bombs with a timer made from watch
He knew pretty much everything that everyone did who he copied
He could take in people’s intelligence so he would likely be the smartest person in the world.
3 dislikes. Well one is definitely from Jacob.
Absolutely and truly epic scene! You can fuc*ing tell from mibs face he meant what he sayd, ;P
2:32
That badass look!!!!!!!
JOHN LOCKE is the Heart ♥️ of LOST
@UrijahFaberbeast I recenylt watched all 6 seasons in a row with almost no break and i take my words back. Lost is one of the best shows ever made, the story is amazing, the writing is amazing, the acting is so good that it feels like real, but the only problem i still have from all this is that the last seasons leaves so many questions while they had so many time to figure out a plot to awnser them in the last season; Other than that, i take my words back about Lost. I'm sad that there is no 7.
The look on his face in the final shot is so perfectly eerie. Terry O'Quinn nailed it
2:33 Such evil eyes!
This bit made me sad seeing Locke being belittled :(
He did also say he was admirable which is a big compliment to someone's character. He was sad, pathetic and lonely in the real world,, but he knew it which is why he wanted to stay and protect the island from that "real world".
Locke was and still is my favorite character!
10/10 would cry again.
i wan to go.............home
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Mr.Bane nice^^
I laughed too hard at your face expressions.
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Sad reality about John Locke, it's that he was always a pawn, his entire life. He thought he was special, only to be used by another person to achieve their interest.
1. His father used him to get his kidney.
2. Used by Ben many times.
3. That FBI guy gained his trust, only to get to those people growing weed and other drugs. And he considered Locke, only because he was an easy to gain trust.
4. MiB, when he slowly poisoned his mind, by believing he was special and that he understands island more than anyone else.
5. Jacob! Which is most important, he was never meant to be a replacement for Jacob as an Candidate, he was used by Jacob, brought back to life when he fell from building, gotten through all the pain in life, only to be the one to make Jack believer, so last one can take Jacobs place. Everything hes gotten through, everything he did for the island, was only to make Jack believe into everything and to agree to take position.
Evolution is exactly that...our prior iterations struggle, sacrifice and falter and fail, but live long enough just to give life to a successor who likewise lives just long enough to appoint the next successor. We are used by many throughout life. Our employers use our skill and physical/mental energy for profit, our children in effect use our efforts to grow and strengthen and embark on their own journey. Politicians use the electorate to feather their nests of power, wealth and privilege. Insurance companies gather our funds and are in some cases loathe to cover medical products and services and they are profit gathering entities. More examples could be cited here...but you get the picture.
I'll miss Lost :(
The music man. Adds to all the other amazingness.
Who else originally thought Smokey was talking about another planet when he said "I want to go home" ?
Rick Grimes: you can’t break me Major General Beale
Major General Beale: just listen to me you can’t go home.
Rick Grimes: intimidated and s5 Rick mode
one of the saddest things I've ever heard😢
Just because he was tricked doesn't mean he wasn't still badass, and it's been happening all his life if you watch the flashbacks. I kind of wish that Locke had not been killed off and had ended up taking over from Jacob, but I like the monster using Locke's form as well, it added a nice twist to the story.
"the only one who didn't want to leave", except for Rose of course ;) His facial expression at the end, chilling!
Terry O'Quinn is a superactor!
He played: 1) Broken, angry, disillusioned (pre-Island) John Locke; 2) Inspired, purpose driven, faith-filled (on Island) John Locke; 3) Desperate, suicidal, defeated John Locke (off-island) ; 4) Resurrected fake John Locke (Smokey pretending to Locke) and luring the audience along with him; 5) Dropped pretenses Smokey as John Locke; 6) pure malevolent, filled with disdain for humanity Smokey as John Locke. In each rendition, Terry O'Quinn gave us some subtle notes that revealed the difference in those persona and later individuals.
And observational aside:
Note that pre-Island Jack was also broken; his marriage to Sara failed. He became destructively obsessed with finding out who she left HIM for. Though it's NOT entirely clear, Jack exposing his father's (Christian) alcohol consumption before a surgery where a patient died, the cause of which Jack attributed to his father's inebriated state may have caused Christian to be either fired from the hospital and his medical license revoked or suspended on the condition of getting cleaned up and demonstrating sustained sobriety etc. Regardless, Jack's relentless pursuit of answers regarding his failed marriage caused Christian to relapse likely annihilating any chance (if there was one at all) of Christian returning to the practice of medicine. Christian bails LA to go to Sydney, and he's on an end of the road bender which ultimately costs him his life which may have been the plan all along. Jack comes to Sydney wracked with guilt that he was the catalyst for what happened to his father. Before he comes to the Island, Jack felt adrift and rudderless. He was already starting down the road of self-medicating. The aftermath of crash of Oceanic 815 gave Jack tremendous purpose and direction. He was rescuing people, leading them. He was shepherding (pardon the pun) them to safety and survival, guiding their decisions based on his knowledge as a doctor. Like John, Jack's efforts on Island became obsessive and monolithic.
Once off Island, Jack temporarily builds what appears to be happy life on the way to genuine fulfillment. This unravels quickly. Jack develops growing guilt over the survivors still left on the Island. Jack his haunted by the notion that he left his half-sister Claire on the Island, and that to taking her son Aaron away from her as well. The final straw is Kate covertly fulfilling Sawyer's wishes regarding Clementine. This secret begins to unravel Jack. Jack sees an image of Christian in his LA office. For John, these visions solidify his sense of purpose and grant him a sense of meaning and impetus. For Jack, quite the opposite these visions/sightings/phenomena unravel his staunchly rational mind and ego structure. Jack like his father, turns to self-medicate with alcohol and then prescription drugs. Jack, like John, becomes suicidal.
Returning to the Island brings Jack back to a sense of purpose and in the end, Jack finds a peace even with his own demise being eminent, is accepting and without any inner conflict.
imagine if smokey did leave the island. New world order !!!!
Chris Tziokas would it be? He lost lost his power so he could only be a normal person if he left and went into the world.
Yep he has no powers without the island.
Then whats the point of jakob trying to keep him on the island
I WANT TO GO HOME...!
As much as I hate mib for taking locke’s body and insulting everything he stood for I also can’t blame him for wanting a way off the island.
What and where is "home" for a millennia prisoner in a supranatural island?
What an amazing scene, in an awesome tv series!
@Wombaggins Somehow i feel sorry for the mib. His childhood dream of "going home" never came true, he was a victim himself. As much as Jacob was..Very sad story actually.. Btw: i would choose the island too :)
2:25 I think “I want to get out of here” would make a better line. The island was MiB’s home after all - he’s never been anywhere else.
Actually, he can. the producers (or writers, either one) confirmed that he was the Medusa spider that bit Nikki
What confused me is that Smokey lost his powers when the cork was removed, which is why he could be killed. If escaping the island would mean living as a normal human, why would he even be a threat if he got to the mainland?
John Lee because everyone goes to hell if he gets off the island. The happy reunion in the afterlife doesn't happen because the light that engulfs them in the church is the same light as on the island.
Basically If MiB leaves, the afterlife ceases to be
Goddamnit this is the best scene
MiB had Hurley's power to talk to the dead, the Mile's power to read their last thoughts before they die, but did not have Desmond's power to resist magnetism and his premonitions. I wonder if there is a reason for this.
2:05 Here I see the monster got caught up in Locke's emotions, and almost seems sad for what he's done to the man. Or at least that's the way I view it. Remember, smoke monster takes on personality and memories of those it possesses. At least in part.
Ben killed Jacob, Locke Charles Widmore, his dad and orchestrated the deaths of the Dharma Initiative. Brutal
I believe the Dharma folks were killed by "The Others" who were acting on orders from who they thought was Jacob. MiB pretended to be Jacob because the Leader of the others never met Jacob. Only Richard did. And Richard deferred to the leaders like Widmore and Ben to meet with and carry out Jacobs orders. The Cabin wasn't Jacob, it was MiB...trapped in the ash circle. Ben took Locke to meet where Ben thought Jacob would be. But it was actually MiB impersonating Jacob. And when MiB put on a show and "spoke" to John Locke, that's when Ben shot him and left him in a ditch where the Dharma bodies were dumped. The Dharma folks were purged sometime after the Incident when Jack and company set off the nuclear device to counter act the Island's electromagnetic energy from massively discharging when the Dharma people were drilling too far into the Island's core.
"I want to go home"
It made you think there was so much more going on in the mythology. Unfortunately there wasn't, Across the Sea was so disappointing.
2:23-Is MiB John lying here?
Awesome scence
I'm from Zagreb and I had to leave my apartment because the building was damaged by the earthquake that occurred on March 22.
Ben: What do you want?
Me: Well, that's the great irony here Ben, because I want the one thing that people during the corona pandemic didn't. I want to go home.
Best Actor EVERRRRR
Despite loving the actor... I always hated Ben for killing Locke.
You uUused me LOL hilarious !