Biggest misconception: that I can read your mind. Soooo many clients say "just do whatever you think is best", then after I'm finished, say "oh actually I wanted it to look exactly like THIS video here".
Thanks for having me on guys. Looking forward to keeping this friendship we developed and am always happy to help the podcast however I can. Here’s to more episodes! 🎉
This hits right to the bone! Tons of valuable lesson and I resonated a lot. No one is a "perfect" editor but if you mixed and match with the creator or whoever you are working with, then that's perfect and you both and the team can accomplish far better.
Love this because I just hired a freelance video editor and I learned something new and this podcast speaks of it too. "Micro Managing" Here is what I did and I want to share with anyone out there, please do not send bits of clips here and there. The first week, I would send my editor footage throughout the day which caused a spam in the group chat. I realized that and even my editor gave me feedback after I asked him, he said to maybe have it a folder and have all footage ready there, which makes things organized and simple. Another piece of advice is when hiring a editor, I let the editor do all the work in the first video to see how the editor visualizes in the timeline. From there on, we work together to make it more align to how I want it. These simple peices of advice can dramtically change the partner ship and make the team into the next level. So far, its challenging but very fun!
This is so true! Reminds me of some aspects of color grading. I can color grade a movie, but the second someone asks me to mask things out, recolor a wall in a different color, I already know I am stepping into the land of VFX, and it is going to make the grading waaaaaay longer.
Oh immediately I say to him here are my VFX rates if you want me to track and mask. But agreed to do the color grading only so I can't change mid production it would be like the director changing from a 10 minute short to a feature length movie at a whim.
I think the key point is to have both the client and editor seeking a "mutually" beneficial collaboration in good faith. So many times I see clients looking to squeeze as much as possible out of the editor, unbalancing the deal in their favor, not understanding how this will ultimately backfire when seeking a long term collaboration. They assume that editors are fungible while in reality they have their own style, own plugins/assets/libraries, own experience and knowledge, own boundaries/working hours/policies, own communication style and work ethic. The editors also only have 40 hrs per week to trade, so as soon as they reach that saturation point they will either: 1) outsource (if their rates are high enough to do that), 2) Raise the rates, which prices out the bad clients that intentionally looked for an unbalanced deal 3) Cut out the underpaying clients to make space for better paying ones. This ultimately means that bad clients are not able to retain long term people if the deal that they seek is unbalanced, and high turnover and inconsistency is a disease for any business. I also see some clients confusing a contractor with an employee. An employee gets 100% of his income from his employer, and therefore the employer gets his undivided attention and the employee has a strong interest in keeping that relationship going, because he's getting A LOT from that employer. When a client brings in 5%-10% of the total monthly income of the contractor, he/she can't expect the same type of collaboration that you'd get from an employee or that type of undivided attention, when the editor has to deal with a ton of clients to make a full paycheck.
This was a great interview! I think a lot of creators don't understand the learning curve that is needed with editors or get that it will take time to develop a style symbiosis.
5:26 is undoubtably true, Most creators/influencers do not understand the process of editing or creativity. Appreciate the podcast guys! Keep up the great work and I'm Learning a lot!
That was great! My channel is at this point where I'm looking for an editor. The guy I work with currently is good. I think with what I have learnt from this video, I can turn our working relationship into something amazing. Thanks alot.
Glad to have come across this video since it gives me a better idea on what to expect from a creator - editor collaboration. As an editor, sometimes I feel like I should edit perfectly on the first draft. But that tip on getting to 50% first, then working your way up to 60, 70,80% through collaboration was great.
@JordanOrme and @HillierSmith, this podcast is a "must watch" for any full-on editor, because you touch on subjects that are truely a part of our everyday life. In my office, its a requirement to watch, for my assitant editors. Thank you for speaking such good conversations that get to the core of our struggles. Much respect to all involved! 🙌
So i just stumbled upon this video and as someone who edits professionally outside of me doing my own content, all my thoughts and words being put into this one video was perfect! "Assistant Creator" is the correct term! Thank YOu!
Great conversation! This is true across other client-video industries as well. Can't tell you how many times businesses or job applications ask for motion design or coloring or any number of peripheral fields like it's nothing, and then send you off with little more than an outline and runtime. Fantastic pod as always, look forward to more!
Love all the vehicles metaphors :) Thanks for the conversation! I am not near to having an editor or even to be a great editor myself, but I always find that kind of professional conversation very inspiring
Thanks with money from the heart with pay from cycle food deliveries because this episode resonated with me a lot ethics wise eg I feel that hard working people do seem to get consistently taken advantage of, I’m trying to recognise efforts of good hearted editing people (I’m not an editing person but still got to start from somewhere etc…), Raza :)
This was a great one, I thought I had to find 5 or 6 clients and then felt silly for locking in on one and this episode just made me realise how I got it good
In my experience, the easiest way to explain the complexity of editing to someone who’s never done it, is tell the for every hour of footage you should expect 10 hours of editing. That’s just basic cuts, some simple transitions, and color correction.
This is the exact reason I've had trouble hiring an editor on my main channel. I do everything... scriptwriting, filming, b-roll, media sourcing, sound design, transitions, etc... and I can't fathom someone else being willing to do that for an affordable price. I only do it because my channel is my baby. Maybe hiring a team of people to do one thing each is the way to do it... never thought of it that way. Thanks!
Awesome stuff as always guys. I think the issue stems from both sides being misinformed about what is truly needed in the business relationship, when creators are looking for an editor and the editor is looking for work. The creator typically wants someone who is an expert in everything for a cheap price, but don't understand the editor who could do all of that comes with a premium tag. Also true is the editor who cannot say no or admit to the client that doing all of those things will be so costly that it'll create a spiteful relationship months down the road. What I've learned from your previous podcasts is that both sides should look for a long term relationship in which both sides can teach, advise, and learn from each other. As I like to say if you don't have time, you have money. If you don't have money you have time. Very few people have both.
Good to see a spotlight shined on Tony Santos. I liked the part where he talks about "turning down" an offer and his reasons for it. As a video editor in training, this aspect of the type of videos you'll be working with frightens me a little. It's funny because Thomas Frank and Logan Paul represent complete polar opposites to me. It is the latter that frightens me. If I have to sift through that type of material, I'm probably better off just editing my own work and hoping for the best.
This is the best interview yet, for me personally. Such relatable things. I’m an old man compared to you guys, lol 😂 Used to be all in one shooter/Editor, and recently switching up to strictly remote editing. One of the best jobs in the world. 🖤✌️
I haven't seen the episode yet, but the biggest misconception I've run into as an editor is the expectation of all the non-editor jobs I'm expected to do.
Love your guy’s podcast. Would love to hear about financials and numbers and what rates to charge as a RUclips editor, since being a RUclips editor makes you a Jack of all trades and in sense seems like their skillset is extremely desire able! I’m in a unique situation where I am salaried to work full time for a RUclipsr, and the pay is honestly really good, but I don’t know how to anchor.
Remember the time you were helping someone with their edit?.....You used "Walking on Sunshine" by...ehh, her name escapes me...Katrina and the Waves. You used the rooftop as a blank canvas......that was amazing. (Who says I can't comment on that video here? Did you read the other comments? They all think this was a great video....just like me. So that point was covered. I needed to bring up something we didn't cover yet). .....I'll go and sit down now. Did anyone bring chips?...I'm hungry.
Bro people put an ad for an “editor” when they want a creative director, dp, morion graphics, subtitles, score, seo, tags, and thumbnail….. for $10. They don’t know SHIT
Brilliant video! As an editor training up another editor both under a creator, this was very helpful! There’s a saying “Hire slow, fire fast”. At what point do you think the “fire fast” aspect should come into play in regards to growing an editor?
If you delete footage and don't record on top of footage you can get it back with any data recovery software. But its was a nice transition to sponsor. When is Hayden releasing the course? Learned a lot and I edit for Ben Mallah.
I love this podcast. I don't believe no memory card was deleted silly Segway there. but still always great value. It definitely makes me think about the way I run my channel and how it's just me plus I edit for others as well. I like editing so I don't even know what working with somebody else would be like. But I do know that takes me a very long to get quality and sometimes I put out stuff that's less quality it still takes time but just less of it. Cuz I know if I want to do good on RUclips it's quality quantity and no one cares if you have a team or not.
so if im making videos in arabic and i want an editor like you guys! how can you do my videos when you dont understand a word from what i say in the video?
Editors are treated like a one stop shop. I had someone I was working for ask me how they should communicate with a brand ambassador of a tequila company...
Guys...great video...of course we face this situation where the emplyer don´t really know what the job takes. And it sucks. Abour riverside...that clous where it saves the data...it´s theirs or it´s our dropbox? Do we need a dropbox plan in order to this coloud storage work?
One thing I've always been confused about is how do you send large file sizes if you're working remotely? Do you use wetransfer, dropbox or lucidlink? Or is there another one that you use that isn't broadly known about
I feel if a client is asking for you to edit something, the software should not matter. It should only matter if my software or workflow can handle the footage. The software is a tool. PremPro, FinalCut, Resolve, and Media Composer all edit footage but do a lot of it very differently. And editors have a different style that fits their software. Like Roger Deakins loves Alexa cameras and it would be weird for a director to tell him that he will only hire him if he uses a Sony Venice. Let the artist use the tool that works for them.
11:03 "Bonnet" = BRITISH - The hinged metal canopy covering the engine of an automobile; the hood. "he jumped on the bonnet of the car in an attempt to stop it going in the wrong direction""
Question how can I hire a camera man that’s willing to walk around with me in Manhattan’s- what website should I go on please just🙏 give me an answer bk❤️
Biggest misconception: that I can read your mind. Soooo many clients say "just do whatever you think is best", then after I'm finished, say "oh actually I wanted it to look exactly like THIS video here".
Exactly!! How are we suppose to know if we just met you?
"Hey, edit this!"
Means... Nothing and everything.
Thanks for having me on guys. Looking forward to keeping this friendship we developed and am always happy to help the podcast however I can. Here’s to more episodes! 🎉
One of the classiest comments on RUclips this year. Top shelf guest. tHanks for the video
Awesome to see ya on here Tony 😊.
This hits right to the bone! Tons of valuable lesson and I resonated a lot. No one is a "perfect" editor but if you mixed and match with the creator or whoever you are working with, then that's perfect and you both and the team can accomplish far better.
@@Inflightmuzik Thank you, it was great fun.
Freaking amazing to see this!!
Please never stop these conversations they are really helpful not only to new comers. But also the older ones to explain basic concepts to customers
Love this because I just hired a freelance video editor and I learned something new and this podcast speaks of it too. "Micro Managing" Here is what I did and I want to share with anyone out there, please do not send bits of clips here and there. The first week, I would send my editor footage throughout the day which caused a spam in the group chat. I realized that and even my editor gave me feedback after I asked him, he said to maybe have it a folder and have all footage ready there, which makes things organized and simple. Another piece of advice is when hiring a editor, I let the editor do all the work in the first video to see how the editor visualizes in the timeline. From there on, we work together to make it more align to how I want it. These simple peices of advice can dramtically change the partner ship and make the team into the next level. So far, its challenging but very fun!
I watched one of your videos just now, you might wanna fix the audio bro, it's not equalized or mastered. Best of Luck.
@@deepdahiyaspeaks i appreciate you sharing this. I will find whats wrong with it
It is best if you handle everything on your own in the beginning of growing your channel.
This is so true! Reminds me of some aspects of color grading. I can color grade a movie, but the second someone asks me to mask things out, recolor a wall in a different color, I already know I am stepping into the land of VFX, and it is going to make the grading waaaaaay longer.
Oh immediately I say to him here are my VFX rates if you want me to track and mask. But agreed to do the color grading only so I can't change mid production it would be like the director changing from a 10 minute short to a feature length movie at a whim.
I think the key point is to have both the client and editor seeking a "mutually" beneficial collaboration in good faith. So many times I see clients looking to squeeze as much as possible out of the editor, unbalancing the deal in their favor, not understanding how this will ultimately backfire when seeking a long term collaboration.
They assume that editors are fungible while in reality they have their own style, own plugins/assets/libraries, own experience and knowledge, own boundaries/working hours/policies, own communication style and work ethic. The editors also only have 40 hrs per week to trade, so as soon as they reach that saturation point they will either: 1) outsource (if their rates are high enough to do that), 2) Raise the rates, which prices out the bad clients that intentionally looked for an unbalanced deal 3) Cut out the underpaying clients to make space for better paying ones.
This ultimately means that bad clients are not able to retain long term people if the deal that they seek is unbalanced, and high turnover and inconsistency is a disease for any business.
I also see some clients confusing a contractor with an employee. An employee gets 100% of his income from his employer, and therefore the employer gets his undivided attention and the employee has a strong interest in keeping that relationship going, because he's getting A LOT from that employer. When a client brings in 5%-10% of the total monthly income of the contractor, he/she can't expect the same type of collaboration that you'd get from an employee or that type of undivided attention, when the editor has to deal with a ton of clients to make a full paycheck.
I REALLY hope hiring manager/people watch this video!
Thank you for being my editing therapists
This was a great interview! I think a lot of creators don't understand the learning curve that is needed with editors or get that it will take time to develop a style symbiosis.
I love this! Learned a lot because I’m currently hiring an editor. Thanks for having Tony on in for sharing of your knowledge.
Thanks for watching, I hope your search goes well.
5:26 is undoubtably true, Most creators/influencers do not understand the process of editing or creativity.
Appreciate the podcast guys! Keep up the great work and I'm Learning a lot!
would love to hear a follow up podcast about where to find dating websites us editors can use to find a creator. how to find jobs as an editor.
That was great! My channel is at this point where I'm looking for an editor. The guy I work with currently is good. I think with what I have learnt from this video, I can turn our working relationship into something amazing. Thanks alot.
Glad to have come across this video since it gives me a better idea on what to expect from a creator - editor collaboration. As an editor, sometimes I feel like I should edit perfectly on the first draft. But that tip on getting to 50% first, then working your way up to 60, 70,80% through collaboration was great.
Inmense value on this podcast! Thank you so much. Really made me rethink my work and how much I'm getting paid for my tasks.
@JordanOrme and @HillierSmith, this podcast is a "must watch" for any full-on editor, because you touch on subjects that are truely a part of our everyday life. In my office, its a requirement to watch, for my assitant editors. Thank you for speaking such good conversations that get to the core of our struggles. Much respect to all involved! 🙌
So i just stumbled upon this video and as someone who edits professionally outside of me doing my own content, all my thoughts and words being put into this one video was perfect! "Assistant Creator" is the correct term! Thank YOu!
This is one of the best channels to learn Editing from 2 of the BEST
Great conversation! This is true across other client-video industries as well. Can't tell you how many times businesses or job applications ask for motion design or coloring or any number of peripheral fields like it's nothing, and then send you off with little more than an outline and runtime. Fantastic pod as always, look forward to more!
For a creator looking for an editor this is very helpful, thanks
Awesome interview! Thanks for adding value to the editing community, folks.
Love these insights. Very much agree and also believe this 1st-person perspective is incredibly valuable to young editors coming up.
17:34 damn lmao i really thought it was only me 😂😂 feels good to hear i aint off my rocker
I wish there were 100 more videos just like this. It’s such a boost for my motivation.
Love all the vehicles metaphors :) Thanks for the conversation! I am not near to having an editor or even to be a great editor myself, but I always find that kind of professional conversation very inspiring
Thanks with money from the heart with pay from cycle food deliveries because this episode resonated with me a lot ethics wise eg I feel that hard working people do seem to get consistently taken advantage of, I’m trying to recognise efforts of good hearted editing people (I’m not an editing person but still got to start from somewhere etc…), Raza :)
This was a great one, I thought I had to find 5 or 6 clients and then felt silly for locking in on one and this episode just made me realise how I got it good
I plan, film and edit all of my content. Editing is very time consuming, but very important.
In my experience, the easiest way to explain the complexity of editing to someone who’s never done it, is tell the for every hour of footage you should expect 10 hours of editing. That’s just basic cuts, some simple transitions, and color correction.
This is the exact reason I've had trouble hiring an editor on my main channel. I do everything... scriptwriting, filming, b-roll, media sourcing, sound design, transitions, etc... and I can't fathom someone else being willing to do that for an affordable price. I only do it because my channel is my baby. Maybe hiring a team of people to do one thing each is the way to do it... never thought of it that way. Thanks!
Love this episode! Some really good insights in there 👏👏👏
Anytime I need inspiration to get back to an edit I watch ur videos
Love this ❤️
Great conversation guys 👌 Tony's a great person overall, but especially for this discussion :)
You Guys always deliver so much value! All the best !
Awesome stuff as always guys. I think the issue stems from both sides being misinformed about what is truly needed in the business relationship, when creators are looking for an editor and the editor is looking for work.
The creator typically wants someone who is an expert in everything for a cheap price, but don't understand the editor who could do all of that comes with a premium tag.
Also true is the editor who cannot say no or admit to the client that doing all of those things will be so costly that it'll create a spiteful relationship months down the road.
What I've learned from your previous podcasts is that both sides should look for a long term relationship in which both sides can teach, advise, and learn from each other.
As I like to say if you don't have time, you have money. If you don't have money you have time. Very few people have both.
I love the 1% rule Tony mentioned. Really good and solid steping stone to create your perfect editor. Thank you for this amazing content guys.
This is amazing! Thnak you so much for making this relatable video and open so many eyes for what happened in this editing industry! keep it going! 😍
I loved this episode!! Helped spark some thoughts for me.
That was a great episode ❤
Good to see a spotlight shined on Tony Santos. I liked the part where he talks about "turning down" an offer and his reasons for it. As a video editor in training, this aspect of the type of videos you'll be working with frightens me a little. It's funny because Thomas Frank and Logan Paul represent complete polar opposites to me. It is the latter that frightens me. If I have to sift through that type of material, I'm probably better off just editing my own work and hoping for the best.
This is the best interview yet, for me personally. Such relatable things. I’m an old man compared to you guys, lol 😂 Used to be all in one shooter/Editor, and recently switching up to strictly remote editing.
One of the best jobs in the world. 🖤✌️
Watch & Listen y'all: Creators, Hiring managers, and Recruiters out there.
0:07 shoutout to Chip haha
Absolutely amazing content!!
I haven't seen the episode yet, but the biggest misconception I've run into as an editor is the expectation of all the non-editor jobs I'm expected to do.
You guys always provide such valuable industry insights! So much helpful info to help video editors and content creators to work better together 👊
Love your guy’s podcast. Would love to hear about financials and numbers and what rates to charge as a RUclips editor, since being a RUclips editor makes you a Jack of all trades and in sense seems like their skillset is extremely desire able! I’m in a unique situation where I am salaried to work full time for a RUclipsr, and the pay is honestly really good, but I don’t know how to anchor.
i love this podcast so much
I wish more creators would see this, cuz most of the time as a freelance editor, creators expect way too much from an editors.
Remember the time you were helping someone with their edit?.....You used "Walking on Sunshine" by...ehh, her name escapes me...Katrina and the Waves. You used the rooftop as a blank canvas......that was amazing.
(Who says I can't comment on that video here? Did you read the other comments? They all think this was a great video....just like me. So that point was covered. I needed to bring up something we didn't cover yet).
.....I'll go and sit down now. Did anyone bring chips?...I'm hungry.
Very insightful podcast for an editor like me! Enjoyed it!
Great content guys! Coming from Australia
We love Australia 🇦🇺
I think Hayden deleted his video footage just so he could have that sponsor Segway. Creative storytelling
This is so amazing 🫶
Ha, just did a double take when I saw that communicator from power rangers. usually you don't see those outside of ranger related videos.
Bro people put an ad for an “editor” when they want a creative director, dp, morion graphics, subtitles, score, seo, tags, and thumbnail….. for $10. They don’t know SHIT
Brilliant video! As an editor training up another editor both under a creator, this was very helpful!
There’s a saying “Hire slow, fire fast”. At what point do you think the “fire fast” aspect should come into play in regards to growing an editor?
If you delete footage and don't record on top of footage you can get it back with any data recovery software. But its was a nice transition to sponsor. When is Hayden releasing the course? Learned a lot and I edit for Ben Mallah.
I love this podcast. I don't believe no memory card was deleted silly Segway there. but still always great value. It definitely makes me think about the way I run my channel and how it's just me plus I edit for others as well. I like editing so I don't even know what working with somebody else would be like. But I do know that takes me a very long to get quality and sometimes I put out stuff that's less quality it still takes time but just less of it. Cuz I know if I want to do good on RUclips it's quality quantity and no one cares if you have a team or not.
amazing content!
problem is it's really hard to get a reasonable price and even harder to find someone competent
I liked this video I feel like this podcast is marketed to editors but this information is for the public. Idk if it’s gonna reach the target demo
There is a saying in the movie industry:
Editors are the second directors.
Bro has a spiderman figure on his desk and a power rangers communicator on his wrist. We are the same person.
Ayyye good catch on the PR Communicator, I wondered if anyone would comment on that lol
Why is Thomas Frank’s latest upload over a year ago?
We’ve been at @thomasfrankexplains (for now)
Great video
Can you book my Coachella flight 🤣🤣🤣
Can you? 😂😂
so if im making videos in arabic and i want an editor like you guys! how can you do my videos when you dont understand a word from what i say in the video?
AI must change the editing game, i'm so looking forward to the new generation of software!
Editors are treated like a one stop shop. I had someone I was working for ask me how they should communicate with a brand ambassador of a tequila company...
hahaha thats wild. why you would be expected to know that is....just crazy to me
I just found a job posting for an editor. The pay was $10-$15...per month.
Per month or hour?
ouch, that's not a job worth taking.
😮 nice podcast
New sub! Thanks
Guys...great video...of course we face this situation where the emplyer don´t really know what the job takes. And it sucks.
Abour riverside...that clous where it saves the data...it´s theirs or it´s our dropbox? Do we need a dropbox plan in order to this coloud storage work?
One thing I've always been confused about is how do you send large file sizes if you're working remotely? Do you use wetransfer, dropbox or lucidlink? Or is there another one that you use that isn't broadly known about
Google drive works, 100gb of cloud + zipping files if needed
I feel if a client is asking for you to edit something, the software should not matter. It should only matter if my software or workflow can handle the footage. The software is a tool. PremPro, FinalCut, Resolve, and Media Composer all edit footage but do a lot of it very differently. And editors have a different style that fits their software. Like Roger Deakins loves Alexa cameras and it would be weird for a director to tell him that he will only hire him if he uses a Sony Venice. Let the artist use the tool that works for them.
I am a video editor open to working with any creator. Let’s talk
Hey guys, does anyone know where creators search for editors? I'm an editor and like to connect.
Any tips on where to find editors to hire?
twitter
11:03 "Bonnet" = BRITISH - The hinged metal canopy covering the engine of an automobile; the hood. "he jumped on the bonnet of the car in an attempt to stop it going in the wrong direction""
where can i find editors ?
i want to hire an editor with 10 years of experience and professional transitions and sound design: willing to pay 10 dollars
I’ve been searching for someone to hire just like this guy, everyone reach out to me if interested!
0:38 did you force him to over work again? he looks tired....
Question how can I hire a camera man that’s willing to walk around with me in Manhattan’s- what website should I go on please just🙏 give me an answer bk❤️
If only this video was out to show it to my now ex boss...
Why are they talking about being a creative director along with being an editor?
I sent this podcast to my boss and now I'm fired
❤❤
1:37 He's editing in Blender? 👀
No lol I was learning a concept on Blender for a video idea.
@@TonyStoodios XD, I see :D I actually edit all my videos in Blender 🤣
@@WW_Studios What? Really?
@@flakesfan lol yep! I’m on Linux and already have been using Blender for a while haha. It doesn’t have any fancy features, but it works 😁
YES. I’ve officially quit video editing because of all of this. Fuck this.
I wonder if paying for a editor would help my channel
there are thousands of editors who want to work
Who is this video for
3:11 what's with his hands? 😂
Was Hayden AI generated in this episode or am I going crazy? 😂
Why does Jordan's hands look so small here lol 3:12
14:05
I hate that you both have dark circles, take care of yourselves please.