Its nor nearly as hard as youd think. I pulled My Tilly 212 out the box and tore it right open and went stage 2 lol. It's a beast now today as I've learned so much more since then too.
You didnt waste my time, Your video & audio is clean and crisp, I Appreciate your Tutorials! I believe I said this not to long ago. Thanks Again Greg, - Ryan
I just ordered the stuff to finish my stage 2 setup and I added the billet side cover because its badass looking and it just happens to have a way better oil drain plug than the stock ones for my setup.
RBG awesome content and the instructions are very clear. It makes me want to build one. I build chevy v-8s and when I do head studs arp reccomends not tightening the studs all the way down. Use oil on the under the head of the fastener to help with proper torque also.
I think a video on installing a electric start on a212 hemi with Honda pts. would be nice for people with mudmoters. Mine is hard to pull start because of the upgrades.
The fact that first of all it’s a 20hp fully built lawnmower engine but second of all There’s still room for improvement Such as hydrolic roller lifters instead of the stock flat tappet ones
Need a Predator Ghost Billet everything video. Please. And whats the best motor 224cc or Ghost motors to start a build with? If i was to buy all the billet upgrades and more upgrades eventually.
I built this exact step up every part you used and I keep blowing belts it completely destroyed my sprocket. What’s the next step on clutches that will actually handle the power and so I can actually enjoy this badass motor
@@trevinskiking2165 they are all clones of a honda gx200 most clones are made with lower tolerence standards. The preditors are pretty good compaired to most clones there are alot of diferences tho between them all
May I share some tech info with you the next time you remove a flywheel rotate the flywheel so you have access to the counterbalance use your pry bars the normal way but instead of hitting the crankshaft strike the flywheel on the Outer Edge at the counterbalance with the hammer it comes loose every time
I didn't have an oil sensor in mind so I didn't need to do thatplus for my Governor whole I tapped it half away and used 1/4 inch allen wrench head plug in red loctite
Seems you know these predator 212s could you tell me where they suck oil from when rolled over or thrown in a real hard corner. I have a go kart that had a tehcumseh on it and you could roll that thing all day and throw it in a high bank corner in our sand pit and never had an issue I backed into one day and broke the carb off it and I bought a new predator 212 for it and any time you roll it or throw it in a hard corner the thing turns into a fogger for a few seconds or so, it disappears in the smoke.
Jeremy Dubs I guess that makes since. But more then one time I've cracked the rod. Then discovered it was hydraulic pressure from an old head. If it's clean you will always get consistent torque.
I wouldn't suggest putting oil in the hole if it is a blind hole. Doing so will cause a hydraulic lock and snap the rod bolt or pull the threads on the aluminum rod.
Soooo I was wondering why you guys haven't been posting. Searched your channel and somehow I'm no longer subbed. I dont know how that happened but just a heads up if your views and sub counts are down.
I'm new to this game but have been riding/racing off road and moto since 1974 so I know my way around a bit...2 things I noticed right off...WHY hasn't someone built a billet intake manifold that loops up and over so when you go to a larger carb or even the adapter/pod filter in the stage 1 kit, its not sticking way the hell out into the wind??...not only is it in the way of riding, but I have seen vid after vid of guys crashing, which is commonplace on these things and wiping that filter or carb right off the motor??....why??....stupid. Another thing, WHY is the header on most of these minis sticking out in the wind from under the seat pan, just behind the aftermarket air filter pod, just waiting to burn the shit out of someones leg??.....that header could be made with a slight bend to the right and route it right under the seat pan and have the pipe route between the rear fender and frame rail, making bolting on a silencer easy-peasy with a bracket bolted to the frame rail......just crazy shit I'm seeing with zero thought put into it.
Linda, he used a common crankshaft key - fits in the crank groove & Flywheel keyway slot - Trev New Zealand PS & you can buy offset crank keys upto 8' crank degrees advanced which is 16' degrees ignition.Ask at you local speed Shop or try Isky Cams.T
Do you have a link for the valve spring compressor? I put the ss valve kit and 26lb springs on my hemi last weekend. I got it done but it was really difficult, the spring compressor I had was too big.
Hey red beard what length chromoly pushrods did you use? Looking for a set for my tillotson 212 hemi head, I believe I've found the upgraded valve train kit you put on your engine here as well so I think I'm gonna go for that too, it's the only difference between my engine and your build here, plus the fact that I'm running pvl ignition flywheel and briggs coil
I wonder if I should even ask you something. It seems you don't answer a lot of ppl stuff. I just got a mini bike. I got two motors..hemi an non hemi..wanting to do a build on one but I want to get it right when I do an not have issues ppl say they have. Like like same build a 4mod. Think I should do my own vid for ppl like me that done have a clue but want to learn an do one. All American parts of course!
@@dylanweldon1363 Then it would be wise to Check your Piston to Valve Clearance - use a piece of clay or plasticine & do a trial assembly run or get a 2nd set of Valves, cut notches in them,assemble the MTR without the Valvesprings & use an Electric Drill or die grinder on the end of the Valvestem installed in the head & if there's enough depth left cut a groove in the piston top(If not use a dremmel tool or die cutter & manually cut some valve reliefs in your Piston using the squashed clay method) I cut tell you how deep to cut because that is dependent on your rocker ratio,how much they took off the head & the final Cam lift. The Piston manufacturers should have already thought of this & cast in or ground in some valve reliefs or "eyebrows" . If your going to rev the tits off it, it wouldn't be a bad idea to swap out those Asian valve collets, Lashcaps are little items that go on the end of Valvestem, originally to adjust lash on cars that had some wear in em,if your running stainless steel valves with roller rockers, you don't really need em, the ends of stainless steel valves have usually been hardened.26 Lbs springs you could close with your fingers.If the Champion Rockers have a roller tip I wouldn't worry yourself
PS Lash Caps will help take the pounding your probably going to give. it but if you don't really know what your doing or the terminology Lash Caps are going to upset your valvtrain even more.As an aside aluminium Valvesprings retainers fatique & crack over time,with 26# Valvesprings your pretty safe but don't say I didn't warn you.Its not worth the risk,run stiffer springs & get some Chrome Moly ones cut for longevity, doubt me on alloy retainers:contact a Car Camshaft manufacturer like Rd Iskys Son.T NZ
Hands down you're videos are the most informative. Your chsnnel is the best minibike channel on RUclips
Learned a lot from this vid. I only repair small engines and this taught me a lot about revuils, thank you.
I’ve been wanting to do a complete build but I’ve been super nervous about screwing it up. This video gives me the drive to just send it. Thanks man!
Its nor nearly as hard as youd think. I pulled My Tilly 212 out the box and tore it right open and went stage 2 lol. It's a beast now today as I've learned so much more since then too.
You make it look so easy.
“Dip the bolts in some ool “ lol
...? OOHHH... you're not used to speaking southern. Bless your heart.
@@Kettenhund75 hahaha I know that one 😂😂
Better than "Goop"...Trev New Zealand
@@Kettenhund75 Its erl🤣
@@Kettenhund75No one is lmao
You didnt waste my time, Your video & audio is clean and crisp, I Appreciate your Tutorials! I believe I said this not to long ago. Thanks Again Greg, - Ryan
I just ordered the stuff to finish my stage 2 setup and I added the billet side cover because its badass looking and it just happens to have a way better oil drain plug than the stock ones for my setup.
RBG awesome content and the instructions are very clear. It makes me want to build one. I build chevy v-8s and when I do head studs arp reccomends not tightening the studs all the way down. Use oil on the under the head of the fastener to help with proper torque also.
The detail in your parts list is amazing. Thanks for jumpstarting this for me 👍🏻👍🏻
This channel is so helpful. Thanks for making these videos and showing everything.
I’m building this same exact engine right now and this video is really helpful.
This is what the new hotrod cart needs but with a supercharger 😎
Like the valve cover and the blue bolts. Great step by step video!
The G in RBG is now loose. Need to turn it clockwise.......
What a majestic beard
I have almost the same build. I’m having issues with my carb flooding the intake tube with fuel. Would be nice to see you do a mikuni tuning video.
I just bought a hemi 212 and I put it on a little razor dune buggy and it looks like a death trap lol.Nice job Red beard
would love to see you do a performance build on a duromax 7hp electric start
I think a video on installing a electric start on a212 hemi with Honda pts. would be nice for people with mudmoters. Mine is hard to pull start because of the upgrades.
Love those engine build videos, nice job brother.
Bubbz and the TARDSQUAD was here🤘🏻😎🤘🏻 God bless brother
Dude your videos are truly Ace's , information is awesome.
I appreciate that!
It would be awesome if you built then tested on a dyno! Be sweet if u had one!
How bout a kickstart install on the predator 212cc,...I haven't seen one on a mini bike since the 70's !!!
SilkySlim you can’t because the kick start is opposite of the way the motor spins... you would have to kick it forwards. Akward
Looks like a beast!!! Awesome build
Great videos and Go-Kart & Mini Bike builds .
On a Predator 212 with a Stage 2 or 3 can I still run a torque converter ?
Yes you can but it is recommended to get one that is rated for the horsepower your engine is going to produce under the Stage 2 or 3 kit.
The fact that first of all it’s a 20hp fully built lawnmower engine but second of all
There’s still room for improvement
Such as hydrolic roller lifters instead of the stock flat tappet ones
nice video intruction god bless you
You should do a electronic ignition modification using a magnetic pickup and a GM HEI ignition module and then a powerful ignition coil
15:30 this the part that I’m worried about 😮
Need a Predator Ghost Billet everything video. Please. And whats the best motor 224cc or Ghost motors to start a build with? If i was to buy all the billet upgrades and more upgrades eventually.
You need to do a 212 with AMR 300 supercharger on the dino
Love the leg lamp in the background! It looks like a "major award".
What will you do with all the leftover new parts??? Sell them?
04:02 are those the Lifters? I was wondering what those things were called.
Ride cymbal going hard
I built this exact step up every part you used and I keep blowing belts it completely destroyed my sprocket. What’s the next step on clutches that will actually handle the power and so I can actually enjoy this badass motor
Thanks Papa Redbeard!
Hello I'm Filipino and I'm always looking for your videos,hopping that can I buy a billet crank for my 18hp.
If they make a modified side cover they should add a oil pump and a drilled crankshaft for pleasure lubrication modification.
Nice wish I had a motor like that
looks like the same video as the stage 4 predator build earlier this week
Great vid
Have you done anything on a ghost motor yet?
How are holding the crank from turning when installing flywheel nut to 65 ft lbs!
Red why don’t you ever port out the heads a bit?
I'm guessing it's so go power sports can demonstrate how much power can be "bolted on"
@@Indiancreekgunsmithing The new predator heads ( both hemi & non ) come with huge ports compared to clones.
@@gastongregory1167 Gaston, a Clone of a Clone ?. Now I've got it .Thanks.Trev New Zealand
@@trevinskiking2165 they are all clones of a honda gx200 most clones are made with lower tolerence standards. The preditors are pretty good compaired to most clones there are alot of diferences tho between them all
@@aaronyoung8132 Aaron I knew all that but thanks for stating it for others less knowledgeable.
where do you get that cool hardware from
I’ve heard you need to get a specific flywheel for the hemi, could I use a non hemi flywheel?
When will you do the stroker build??
At the 16:00 mark the valve keepers seem to be misaligned. One is i. The grooves and 1 is not. Was this corrected before the engine was ran?
$997+tax for all listed parts with engine. Stage 3 is listed most places @ 16-20hp. Brand spankin new 670cc predator is 22hp for $829.
@Kevin ruclips.net/video/0eMR73e5Rb0/видео.html
Can you please do a review on the coleman 125DX dirt bike
Super helpful thanks
Way better music this time!
May I share some tech info with you the next time you remove a flywheel rotate the flywheel so you have access to the counterbalance use your pry bars the normal way but instead of hitting the crankshaft strike the flywheel on the Outer Edge at the counterbalance with the hammer it comes loose every time
Right? I have seen so many videos of hammering the crankshaft. Like they have never heard of crank walk.
What brand of table are you using?. I want one of those. The metal coated table.
Great job
Does the arc hemi flywheel have magnets on inside of flywheel to be able to add charging coils for a headlight?
No. If you want charging you should go with the Tilliotson e start. Their flywheels have much higher rpm range than stock predators
I can never get the valve lash set right. Can you do a more in depth tutorial about it
Where did you get that magnetic dip stick from
So thats a stage 3? Im ported is that a stage 3.5? Since 4 is bigg valve/cut?
Do you think the hemi is better or non hemi? I’ve see. We’re you have coil bind and valve Clarence problem but didn’t look like you had a problem here
Don’t you have to grind something on the crank of the hemi?
If anyone can answer this. He’s putting new camshaft why not crank shaft
Is there no performance hemie piston head?
I didn't have an oil sensor in mind so I didn't need to do thatplus for my Governor whole I tapped it half away and used 1/4 inch allen wrench head plug in red loctite
Great video
You never shown how you held the fly wheel in place
He made a bracket that bolts onto the side cover and holds the output shaft in place. Omb warehouse sells them I believe
Red beardddddd
If i did this complete build for my mi i bike that i love will it still be long lasting
Should i ?
Seems you know these predator 212s could you tell me where they suck oil from when rolled over or thrown in a real hard corner. I have a go kart that had a tehcumseh on it and you could roll that thing all day and throw it in a high bank corner in our sand pit and never had an issue I backed into one day and broke the carb off it and I bought a new predator 212 for it and any time you roll it or throw it in a hard corner the thing turns into a fogger for a few seconds or so, it disappears in the smoke.
I’m curious as to why you kept the stock piston?
RedBeardsGarage, where is that pull start handle from??? Cant find it REALLLY like it lol..
It is a rc pull start from ebay
@@RedBeardsGarage thanks for the speedy response brother
Smash the dern like button you RAWK Red Beard
the engine teardown at the beginning had the arrow on the piston pointing up? did Braxton assemble it?
Hey RBG why do you dip the bolts for the rod in oil before you put them back in?
so u get consistent torque of the bolts inside an engine
Oh ok thx just wondering
Jeremy Dubs I guess that makes since. But more then one time I've cracked the rod. Then discovered it was hydraulic pressure from an old head. If it's clean you will always get consistent torque.
I wouldn't suggest putting oil in the hole if it is a blind hole. Doing so will cause a hydraulic lock and snap the rod bolt or pull the threads on the aluminum rod.
@@MrMattydavee Sorry Mattydavee I didn't read your comment before I chimed in. But you are correct.
What’s the point of a billet side cover? It doesn’t add any performance upgrades does it?
Will it hurt the lobes on the cam because of the heavier valve springs
Soooo I was wondering why you guys haven't been posting. Searched your channel and somehow I'm no longer subbed. I dont know how that happened but just a heads up if your views and sub counts are down.
Do u always mess with the Chinese remake of the Mikuni only because I was wondering if there any good
nice work!
What's the difference between stage 2 and stage 3
Break in please!!!! 🤩
attaboy!!!
Good
What is the lift on that camshaft?
I got same motor what all you put in it I want this same build
I'm new to this game but have been riding/racing off road and moto since 1974 so I know my way around a bit...2 things I noticed right off...WHY hasn't someone built a billet intake manifold that loops up and over so when you go to a larger carb or even the adapter/pod filter in the stage 1 kit, its not sticking way the hell out into the wind??...not only is it in the way of riding, but I have seen vid after vid of guys crashing, which is commonplace on these things and wiping that filter or carb right off the motor??....why??....stupid. Another thing, WHY is the header on most of these minis sticking out in the wind from under the seat pan, just behind the aftermarket air filter pod, just waiting to burn the shit out of someones leg??.....that header could be made with a slight bend to the right and route it right under the seat pan and have the pipe route between the rear fender and frame rail, making bolting on a silencer easy-peasy with a bracket bolted to the frame rail......just crazy shit I'm seeing with zero thought put into it.
Wow... that flywheel had ~5 degrees of play. Why so much? How much hp would you guesstimate this build is worth?
How did you keep the Crank from spinning when you installed the billet flywheel?????
Linda, he used a common crankshaft key - fits in the crank groove & Flywheel keyway slot - Trev New Zealand PS & you can buy offset crank keys upto 8' crank degrees advanced which is 16' degrees ignition.Ask at you local speed Shop or try Isky Cams.T
Do you have a link for the valve spring compressor? I put the ss valve kit and 26lb springs on my hemi last weekend. I got it done but it was really difficult, the spring compressor I had was too big.
Hey red beard what length chromoly pushrods did you use? Looking for a set for my tillotson 212 hemi head, I believe I've found the upgraded valve train kit you put on your engine here as well so I think I'm gonna go for that too, it's the only difference between my engine and your build here, plus the fact that I'm running pvl ignition flywheel and briggs coil
Thinking of doing stainless steel vales on a non-hemi..but they say I have to ream out the Vale guide to 5.5 mm...how do I do that???
What did this cost you in total to build this 212 hemi
What tool do you use 2 hold down the rod when yu. Check for clearance ?
I wonder if I should even ask you something. It seems you don't answer a lot of ppl stuff. I just got a mini bike. I got two motors..hemi an non hemi..wanting to do a build on one but I want to get it right when I do an not have issues ppl say they have. Like like same build a 4mod. Think I should do my own vid for ppl like me that done have a clue but want to learn an do one. All American parts of course!
🤔I got Champion rockers should I still use light and hardened lash caps? It's going in a 14 CC head on a Hemi block
Std would be ok,150 Lbs Springs & I'd be thinking of changing them.T NZ
Dylan you've got a hemi Head ! No offences don't you young guys know anything ?
@@trevinskiking2165 I got a 14cc head my guy there's clearance issues with champion rockers I had to cut the head an get a different valve cover
@@dylanweldon1363 Then it would be wise to Check your Piston to Valve Clearance - use a piece of clay or plasticine & do a trial assembly run or get a 2nd set of Valves, cut notches in them,assemble the MTR without the Valvesprings & use an Electric Drill or die grinder on the end of the Valvestem installed in the head & if there's enough depth left cut a groove in the piston top(If not use a dremmel tool or die cutter & manually cut some valve reliefs in your Piston using the squashed clay method) I cut tell you how deep to cut because that is dependent on your rocker ratio,how much they took off the head & the final Cam lift. The Piston manufacturers should have already thought of this & cast in or ground in some valve reliefs or "eyebrows" . If your going to rev the tits off it, it wouldn't be a bad idea to swap out those Asian valve collets, Lashcaps are little items that go on the end of Valvestem, originally to adjust lash on cars that had some wear in em,if your running stainless steel valves with roller rockers, you don't really need em, the ends of stainless steel valves have usually been hardened.26 Lbs springs you could close with your fingers.If the Champion Rockers have a roller tip I wouldn't worry yourself
PS Lash Caps will help take the pounding your probably going to give. it but if you don't really know what your doing or the terminology Lash Caps are going to upset your valvtrain even more.As an aside aluminium Valvesprings retainers fatique & crack over time,with 26# Valvesprings your pretty safe but don't say I didn't warn you.Its not worth the risk,run stiffer springs & get some Chrome Moly ones cut for longevity, doubt me on alloy retainers:contact a Car Camshaft manufacturer like Rd Iskys Son.T NZ
Is this the same for a non hemi
What motor is being rebuilt?
U r AWESOME!!!