475,502 Miles On My 2003 Cadillac Escalade!!!! What Have I Done?

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  • Опубликовано: 30 авг 2023
  • Is this the highest mileage Cadillac Escalade ever? In this video, we'll give you a 2003 Cadillac Escalade review and show you the moment I discovered just how many miles are on this truck. Is the Cadillac 6.0 reliable? What else is wrong with the Escalade and should I continue working on it? Please leave a comment below!!
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  • @AutoAuctionRebuilds
    @AutoAuctionRebuilds 10 месяцев назад +92

    You told me it was 200K miles lol!! 500,000 is absolutely CRAZY!! This is impressive!!!

    • @IxAMxABU
      @IxAMxABU 10 месяцев назад +13

      The listing given was 200,000 miles "driven". The wording is crafty to the untrained eye. There may be a bit of truth to that in that the owner selling it drove it that 200k before selling. So the truth is stretched to make one think there is only 200k.

  • @toolzshed
    @toolzshed 10 месяцев назад +134

    That Escaladed quickly 🤣

    • @daveunbranded
      @daveunbranded 10 месяцев назад +6

      Classic

    • @cliffordkinnear9705
      @cliffordkinnear9705 10 месяцев назад +3

      Haaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaa Haaaaaaaaaaa touch'e !

    • @ergm67
      @ergm67 10 месяцев назад +3

      You mean, Descaleded

    • @danielventura8073
      @danielventura8073 10 месяцев назад +1

      I only have one question, Mike: why?

    • @ergm67
      @ergm67 10 месяцев назад

      😂😂😂@@danielventura8073

  • @bigalsbikeandauto
    @bigalsbikeandauto 10 месяцев назад +54

    Don’t let those miles worry you Mike. The LQ9 is a bulletproof engine. I’m sure it’s the original engine untouched. The LQ9 is paired to a 4L65E transmission, not the 4L60E in the 1/2 ton Silverados, Tahoes, etc. Its a much stronger transmission than the 4L60E, just use the tow haul button on the column shift when towing and I’m sure you’ll give it a fresh fluid change for good measure. These GMT800 trucks are the best trucks GM ever produced by a mile. Quiet, comfortable, sturdy, reliable, and parts are cheap and readily available even for the Escalade. It’s just a Yukon with lipstick and a better drivetrain.

    • @MonkeyWrenchMike
      @MonkeyWrenchMike  10 месяцев назад +11

      Good to know!

    • @GTsGarageTech
      @GTsGarageTech 10 месяцев назад +9

      I second this. I have a 2000 gmc sierra 1500 with the 5.3 v8 and it has 392k miles as I speak and is my daily

    • @mexicanspec
      @mexicanspec 10 месяцев назад +3

      Al you haven't answered the email I sent you. Please do.

    • @phillipowen-4p1gca93
      @phillipowen-4p1gca93 5 месяцев назад +1

      I have a 2003 cadillac ext that only has 160,000 on it. This makes me feel really good that I can get many more years out of it. The only issue I have right now is a rear main oil leak that I'm about to get repaired

    • @StarHunter28
      @StarHunter28 2 месяца назад +1

      ​@@phillipowen-4p1gca93honestly if the rear main isn't dripping too bad, I wouldn't worry about it. Rear mains just leak on gmt800s, no matter the engine trans combo. I just put a quart extra in my Duramax when I change it.

  • @destruct61
    @destruct61 10 месяцев назад +24

    You're going to be just fine with the escalade If it made it that far it's definitely a good one

  • @danmoody6056
    @danmoody6056 10 месяцев назад +16

    Make sure the odometer is not set for Canada. I’ve accidentally set my GMC kilometers in the past.

  • @paulelliott682
    @paulelliott682 10 месяцев назад +12

    Hole may be from the antenna being torn off at the junkyard the hood and fenders came from.

  • @MapOfEurasia
    @MapOfEurasia 10 месяцев назад +9

    All that miles and it still have great oil pressure, impressive! It wants to be saved!
    Fix it, clean it and use it as you originally intended, as a tow rig. It's the perfect tow rig!
    Keep the 22s, honestly they don't look that bad 😊

  • @Gordo101978
    @Gordo101978 10 месяцев назад +24

    Hey, if it's the original engine, take it as a positive, it runs great aside from the exhaust leak. The brake rotors in the back might be the reason you don't have any brakes. About the headliner, you might as well get it re-upholstered, if you try to clean it you might remove the rest in the process. I did notice on the rear driver side wheel, the gap between the back of the wheel and the bumper looks wider than the front, it might be the angle of the video but to me it looked like that

    • @ergm67
      @ergm67 10 месяцев назад +1

      Maybe some bushings.

  • @jasonfabian1563
    @jasonfabian1563 10 месяцев назад +4

    Hi Mike, I love that Escalade! I think it will turn out to be a great vehicle. I have a 2009 Silverado 1500 with 421,000 hard miles. It's very dependable, and I tow with it

  • @brent5657
    @brent5657 10 месяцев назад +17

    Looks like an LS rebuild Mike. I would like to see you take on that challenge. Keep up the content brother. It's great!

  • @RandyRote
    @RandyRote 10 месяцев назад +5

    Straighten it out a little, then drive it to 500001 miles or document the journey to the finish line. If it makes it, it's a great story. If it doesn't, have a chase car keeping watch so you can comfortably film it leaving you stranded. It could be fun no matter how it ends up.

  • @jerrytate9394
    @jerrytate9394 10 месяцев назад

    LOVE the Escalade video! Wondering what you will do to it.

  • @rudypernas7962
    @rudypernas7962 10 месяцев назад +12

    Hey mike my friend has the same enginenon his chevy truck and it has 375 k miles on it and still runs very good just keep up with the oil and spark plugs so dont worry does engine run for ever.

  • @kirkacola7942
    @kirkacola7942 10 месяцев назад

    Nice caddy and I can't wait to see you fix her up!🤠🍻

  • @edwinlal
    @edwinlal 10 месяцев назад

    I love your video so much thank you ❤❤❤

  • @gregoryreffitt7957
    @gregoryreffitt7957 10 месяцев назад

    I had a 2001 Ford Taurus wagon with 422000 miles when I bought it and when I traded it in it had 455000 miles on it. Love this video Mike

  • @maverickflint1991
    @maverickflint1991 10 месяцев назад

    Good to see you again Mike. Looks like Lola got a haircut 😊👍

  • @doloresgonzalez6988
    @doloresgonzalez6988 10 месяцев назад

    You got this Mike .💪💪💪Lola looks so pretty with her new hair cut.

  • @maverickflint1991
    @maverickflint1991 10 месяцев назад

    That paint job on the wonder wagon looks good.👍

  • @jerseymurphy3612
    @jerseymurphy3612 10 месяцев назад

    go team LOLA you and Randy are great together.................. keep it up

  • @ergm67
    @ergm67 10 месяцев назад +1

    That is a real massive milleage 😲, Awesome. The wear in the driver´s seat left explained...😊

  • @bungeycord5971
    @bungeycord5971 10 месяцев назад

    Couldnt see the exhaust, check the manifold to see if its cracked. Its just now broken in all good Mike, cant wait for next vid.

  • @allenpatterson3504
    @allenpatterson3504 10 месяцев назад

    Sound great I like it

  • @malibu1142
    @malibu1142 10 месяцев назад

    First! Happy to watch this video Mike, hope you have a good day!

  • @kevinwright1551
    @kevinwright1551 10 месяцев назад

    Vary awesome indeed. Runs a little rough right now. But getting it running better and fall in love with it. Okay.

  • @SP-gq9wb
    @SP-gq9wb 10 месяцев назад

    Mike, keep the Escalade, I'm sure all of want to see you guys that bad boy up!

  • @ben6119
    @ben6119 10 месяцев назад

    Love this. I tired to buy a C6 corvette with almost 400k at IAAI a while back, figured it would make neat content. It was much nicer than the Caddy though LOL.

  • @KevBehindACamera
    @KevBehindACamera 10 месяцев назад

    You're going to be a 50,000 subs before you know it. You deserve it

  • @jburk8600
    @jburk8600 10 месяцев назад

    This should be fun!

  • @heartofdixie67
    @heartofdixie67 10 месяцев назад

    I liked the way Mike had his ball cap cocked sideways when he played the music 🎶 😂

  • @Oyvind88
    @Oyvind88 10 месяцев назад

    Awsome🔥🔥

  • @geraldcoe1123
    @geraldcoe1123 10 месяцев назад

    Mike, WOW! That is a ton of miles! Good news, she will clean up and look great from about 10 feet. Hopefully, between the content money and the sale, you will make a few bucks. BTW, there are videos on the net on how to clean a headliner. That would be a great video in itself.

  • @jeffreyacton3373
    @jeffreyacton3373 10 месяцев назад

    Wow OK time to dive into the deep end on this one you can get it going again its tuff suv go for it

  • @RoadsterLoverMedia
    @RoadsterLoverMedia 10 месяцев назад

    Retail worth it: ??? Cost to repair: ??? Views: ??? Dirty parts hauler: YES! Glad to help you sort that out. Cant wait for the next video!

  • @donpugh8099
    @donpugh8099 10 месяцев назад +1

    Well you wanted it as a work truck my friend and aside from the little stuff it's really not bad..I like it. As long as the maintenance is done and it's kept up oil and etc any car will treat you right. It may all be highway miles those never hurt a car and it's easy to rack up the miles quick if your job requires to drive a lot g distance..I still think you got a good deal..I like her she's tough as nails ..

  • @jaymoore661
    @jaymoore661 10 месяцев назад +9

    Mike, normally I prefer stock wheels too ,however those wheels make that escalade look good without looking gangster! And less outlay for you considering.......

  • @RaulAlvarezHPsv
    @RaulAlvarezHPsv 10 месяцев назад

    You nailed it lol! to the top right there ahah.

  • @paulie-Gualtieri.
    @paulie-Gualtieri. 10 месяцев назад +2

    Second still happy 😊 cant wair for the clean up job.

  • @mhawkins1975
    @mhawkins1975 10 месяцев назад

    I like those wheeels Mike they look good

  • @JPVolvo
    @JPVolvo 10 месяцев назад +3

    To be honest 475k miles is a testament to these GMT800s. You gotta save it and continue to drive it at this point I think she deserves it

  • @re8672
    @re8672 10 месяцев назад

    Chassis looks clean!

  • @jackcrisci2957
    @jackcrisci2957 10 месяцев назад +1

    Mike I'll think you'll be surprised how easily this car comes back. The stability and ride control won't be the cheapest, but you'll still come out ahead. Someone said it but that engine is bulletproof. You're in for a solid SUV. Don't let the miles scare you.

  • @bk_goatkim679
    @bk_goatkim679 10 месяцев назад

    😂😂you’re so funny Mike! Keep it up!

  • @undertakerfire7810
    @undertakerfire7810 10 месяцев назад +2

    Just a testament to how long these can, do and continue to last:)...

  • @donpugh8099
    @donpugh8099 10 месяцев назад +1

    Wow call Cadillac they might want to use that as a promo truck..Highway miles don't hurt cars ..It may have a new engine in it too....If it got hit in the front ..I wouldn't be too scared of it as long as it was serviced ..It doesn't rattle rods when it's started..I like it ..She just needs some love

  • @antonioacosta9589
    @antonioacosta9589 10 месяцев назад

    U are welcome sir I'm viewing from Trinidad and Tobago 🇹🇹

  • @boran2484
    @boran2484 10 месяцев назад +2

    It would make for a great series of before and after videos, all while providing a tow vehicle at the end.

  • @TJ_NL
    @TJ_NL 10 месяцев назад

    Hello Mike
    For a moment I thought you took Lola to Copart, but I could tell from your fence that it's at your house. Good luck with all your projects.

  • @maverickflint1991
    @maverickflint1991 10 месяцев назад

    Another great video Mike go have a drink.🥃

  • @MaxtheFinger
    @MaxtheFinger 10 месяцев назад

    I love it! It wants to live! 😃👍

  • @anthonyhawkins9239
    @anthonyhawkins9239 10 месяцев назад +4

    Great content for you, but at what cost 😂 ! I am sure we will enjoy the escapades of bringing this back 👍, like someone else said, if she runs ok and goes through the gears ? Then maybe think of improvement after that ? Good luck 😂👍

    • @marhot
      @marhot 10 месяцев назад

      He'll recoup the cost in videos -content gold!

  • @maverickflint1991
    @maverickflint1991 10 месяцев назад

    Be safe and careful.😊👍🙏

  • @Dee_J_T-n-B
    @Dee_J_T-n-B 10 месяцев назад

    She’s been to the moon and back literally😮 same colour as Apollo 13 😂 great video Mike

  • @dannyisaacs3877
    @dannyisaacs3877 10 месяцев назад

    Mike, the content value of the Escalade I would think would be worth it's weight in gold.

  • @WthaHatchet
    @WthaHatchet 10 месяцев назад +1

    Ps those hydroboost lines coming from the power steering pump to the master cylinder also leaks at the compression fittings. Remove plastic covers on them and clean them and youll usually see it seeping from the fittings. As you stated the seals also go bad. Some are included with new lines too. Hope it helps! 🤘

  • @rickblanchette
    @rickblanchette 10 месяцев назад +8

    You can remove the headliner and take to an upholsterer and for $125 he can replace. was $85.00 for my 2005 Silverado Ext. Cab ( smaller than that ). Parts are very reasonable for that as well.

    • @rickblanchette
      @rickblanchette 10 месяцев назад

      Florida East coast. I had to bring headliner to him.@@thatv8life186

  • @SecondGenClassics
    @SecondGenClassics 10 месяцев назад

    tuff stuff foam clearer comes in a can at auto store works wonders on stains

  • @albertbasson6611
    @albertbasson6611 10 месяцев назад

    Mike. Albert Basson from South Africa. I never!!! Miss an episode. Clean it, fix it, drive it!!! You will get your money back!!! Go my friend!!!!

    • @MonkeyWrenchMike
      @MonkeyWrenchMike  10 месяцев назад +1

      Thanks Albert!!

    • @albertbasson6611
      @albertbasson6611 10 месяцев назад

      I'm driving an 2015 Isuzu pick-up with 497000km. No problem whatsoever. Got it with 3 km on the odometer.

  • @kenlaw04
    @kenlaw04 10 месяцев назад +1

    I was shocked when you found out that it had so many miles. It actually cleaned up good. I think you should return the fender and get an eraser wheel to remove the pinstripe from the rest of the body and just keep the fenders. Why were you wanting to replace them? The third brake lights on these get stolen and sold for a high price. I had a 2002. Make sure the trans cooling lines are are good. I think the wheels look good on it. Headlights are cheap. A lot of parts are cheap for these. I’d say, play with it first before you go all in on the reconditioning. Let me know the VIN and I can check the carfax.

  • @donwendling7800
    @donwendling7800 10 месяцев назад +1

    NEW SUBSCRIBER!

  • @WthaHatchet
    @WthaHatchet 10 месяцев назад +2

    Those engines run forever. Seen the 6.0s with 500k no rebuild or head gaskets before heh They are great motors. Highly recommend upgrading to the 07-08 brakes with larger rotors and calipers also with twin pistons(make sure you get the mounting brackets too), makes a huge difference in stopping power in the front brakes since you have to work on them anyways it's worth replacing them and the rubber lines. Make sure if you do you at least go to the 17 inch gm or escalade factory rims or larger or they won't fit. I recommend getting them from RockAuto and getting the ones from Power Stop brakes. Also I would advise getting there crossdrilled and slotted rotors. Or just get them off an 07 08 Tahoe, Yukon, or Escalade. Same price as regular and no warp or fade under heavy loads ie towing. If you are planing on towing a lot or long hauls i would also upgrade the factory transmission cooler to a larger one. Jusy make sure you always use the tow button or you will burn out the torque converter in them.

  • @bradgilpin9740
    @bradgilpin9740 10 месяцев назад +2

    Hey almost 500k someone before that last owner loved that car! The 6.0 they put in them are great engines but known for exhaust manifold bolts breaking and causing a leak. Could be a great tow pig for you though. Good luck!

  • @fordmuscleluis9710
    @fordmuscleluis9710 10 месяцев назад +2

    Hopefully you'll make this Cadillac Escalade looking like new again even with a million miles

  • @maddoggarage8586
    @maddoggarage8586 10 месяцев назад +1

    Hey Mike. I have driven Burbs for the last 30 years. Highest mileage was a '94 with 410K miles on it. The latest is the '04 with 290K.
    Got rid of the '94 because the clear coat was trash and the second tranny needed to be replaced. For $1000 i think the Caddy will likely be okay. I would sanitize it, fix the brakes and then check it out. Say hi to Randy. Joe from OKC

  • @drewrhea1021
    @drewrhea1021 10 месяцев назад +1

    Mike, the content value of the Escalade I would think would be worth it's weight in gold! You can typically get a clapped out Escalade for around what you paid and one in good condition with the mileage is around 3,500 to 4,000.

  • @BigJon22091
    @BigJon22091 10 месяцев назад +2

    Tune Up, Complete Detail and New Stock Wheels and of course Brakes. You should be good, Mike. Those GMT800’s are bulletproof.

  • @PaddyBoy644
    @PaddyBoy644 10 месяцев назад +1

    If you want to hide some of the harder stains on the carpet try dying the carpet a dark brown.
    Cheers Pat 🇦🇺

  • @whistlingdiesel
    @whistlingdiesel 10 месяцев назад +16

    Hi, Big Al bought 3 years ago a 2003 6.0 escalade and provided a ton of information about the model in his video. This might help. Let's put it mildly: his car couldn't provide a tenth of the content your will... 😁😁

    • @williamsinger4124
      @williamsinger4124 10 месяцев назад +1

      Big Al is a beast. And he was nice to both Randy and Mike when they met him

    • @vairbob
      @vairbob 10 месяцев назад +1

      You might check the reading off the dataport. I saw a chevythat the mileage would go up when ever you turned the
      Ignitionon.was the display dash. Bob

    • @SantiagoFigueroaRojo1999
      @SantiagoFigueroaRojo1999 10 месяцев назад +1

      I believe that was an 02 he also has or had 2 04’s one being an ESV

    • @whistlingdiesel
      @whistlingdiesel 10 месяцев назад

      Yes, you're right man. I was referring to his Jan 21 2020 upload. Anyway, I think the lady should help him cleaning that thing, for screwing him over. Even when it was an honest mistake. Just to save the honor of the tribe...

  • @ToddMills801
    @ToddMills801 10 месяцев назад

    Bring it back to life it really doesn’t need a lot

  • @d.dolphinstriker5737
    @d.dolphinstriker5737 10 месяцев назад +6

    Nice Escalade Mike. I don’t think it’s a big problem that you didn’t check the miles before you bought it 😂

  • @mikedavis5207
    @mikedavis5207 10 месяцев назад

    I just bought a Tahoe with 249k for 1200$ in omost pretty condition and all it needed was the brake lines im in love things Excellent

  • @tmoz1228
    @tmoz1228 10 месяцев назад

    Those trucks are solid. Had ours since 2009 and its an 02. Ours has 244k and drives like new. Has had replacement trans.

  • @NickJThibault
    @NickJThibault 10 месяцев назад

    almost 50k mike!

  • @jonathanbuffy3522
    @jonathanbuffy3522 10 месяцев назад

    Wow hard to believe that has almost a half a million miles what a trooper

  • @farber442
    @farber442 10 месяцев назад +1

    Gonna be an escapade to bring back that Escalade😂😱💯🔥🔥

  • @theresadavis7440
    @theresadavis7440 10 месяцев назад

    I think it will all be okay. My husband has almost 400,000 miles on his Ford F-150 and it is 2002. The original engine. He bought it brand new. He loves his truck. Huggs ❤❤

  • @PedroSobrera
    @PedroSobrera 10 месяцев назад

    I think it is her last breath, Mike. I would not put too much work on it. Love the videos.

  • @benlee6500
    @benlee6500 10 месяцев назад +1

    Escalade just seize the big stage!! MWM games for more apart from his usual routine...this buy has created a sense of joyment, despite its huge mileages, keep the faith up!!🎉😂

  • @renoflames
    @renoflames 10 месяцев назад

    amazing

  • @tommyhall2768
    @tommyhall2768 10 месяцев назад +1

    Good luck you are going to need it you an randy can fix them buddy

  • @ThriftMachine
    @ThriftMachine 10 месяцев назад

    Going to be at 50k subs before October

  • @2003cobramustang
    @2003cobramustang 10 месяцев назад

    really surprised it runs well for 475k!! hopefully you fix it cheap!

  • @lovellmills7959
    @lovellmills7959 10 месяцев назад

    Nice! I got 293K on my 2003 Avalanche still run like new 😋

  • @davidkinson6610
    @davidkinson6610 10 месяцев назад

    Oh well Mike at least it's built to last!

  • @GoodoldCT90
    @GoodoldCT90 10 месяцев назад

    Should have bought the Lexus, Mike. I ❤️ my 03 Lexus LS430. Like all of your videos, funny 😂

  • @volvowagon70
    @volvowagon70 10 месяцев назад

    For the year that Bose system is one of the best in my opinion. They use ceramic cones in the speaker, and it is a company dedicated to true quality sound from a receiver.

  • @SouthsideKidd550
    @SouthsideKidd550 10 месяцев назад

    Mike, Cadillac has the best Bose audio system setups than the other makes who uses Bose for premium sounds. In the Eldorado, Seville and Deville, the Bose radio comes with different DSP settings like Driver, Front Seat, Rear Seat, Spacious and Ambience. Its rare to hear about Bose speakers being blown. They last a long time and still sound clear as if the car was new.

  • @Mr.Worf63
    @Mr.Worf63 10 месяцев назад +5

    I think you should get it running and driving safely then decide how far you want to go on it. 👍

  • @izaacsilva9148
    @izaacsilva9148 10 месяцев назад +2

    Yeah you should be fine. I have a 2002 Cadillac Escalade that has 550,000 miles. Still runs and drives great. Only major problem I ever had with it was head gaskets. They’re very reliable for 6.0 and the 8.1 are the most reliable engines GM ever made fix it up make it look nice the engine will probably go 1 million if it’s taken care of

  • @gkimble90
    @gkimble90 10 месяцев назад +1

    Mike that tool is to release your spare tire under the back of the truck 😊

  • @rossfield8850
    @rossfield8850 10 месяцев назад

    Oh Mike, should have stuck to Mercedes 😉 j/k of course!! So pleased to see the channel doing so well. (Burn the Escalade with fire, but I’m biased).

  • @TrumpLac1776
    @TrumpLac1776 10 месяцев назад

    Mike it’s okay 👍 nice cadillac bring her back to life…. It’s will be okay Travaish on you tube had a Lexus with Ls400 with 565k miles as long as the oil and engine sounds good 👌 I think it’s okay… We never seen a caddy back to live

  • @kc0lif
    @kc0lif 10 месяцев назад

    i like that generation of escalade. hi lola.

  • @jeffmac3071
    @jeffmac3071 10 месяцев назад

    Come on 50k subs!

  • @michelinepelletier1868
    @michelinepelletier1868 10 месяцев назад

    Beautiful Lola❤

  • @FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur
    @FransvandenBergeMuziekschuur 10 месяцев назад

    A beautiful car. Once you cleaned it up and repaired it. Ideal tow vehicle. A safe heavy car. That will be boss over every trailer that you will tow.

  • @skunkworks9-3
    @skunkworks9-3 10 месяцев назад +1

    I'd definitely go back to a stock GM wheel/tire. I'm sure you could find something from a Tahoe or suburban for cheap even. Other than the wheels and brakes she looks like fun project.

  • @adamtoman5855
    @adamtoman5855 10 месяцев назад

    Get it to be able to stop and see if it drives well. Remember this is gonna be your tow rig. Will it be better to keep this and put money in to it? Or is it better to find something else? Can’t wait to see what’s next.

  • @McarthyPlange
    @McarthyPlange 10 месяцев назад

    Mike is cracking me up😂😂😂😂

  • @ralphadams4478
    @ralphadams4478 10 месяцев назад +1

    Value is in da eyes of da beholder....and being a caddy even with dat much milege its still a desired vehicle and yes could be a jewel in deguise ...go ahead clean dat puppy up and i think if you got to joann can posibly order a wider material for your head liner or maybe you can hit a escalde lottery at a bone yard a better head liner or one you can dye or clean up better and condition...cool almost a half a mill ...cool...