The word Joy has the same root as join, yolk, union, joke and yoga. The root meaning of these words is to bring together so there is no division and therefore no conflict. Enjoy life.😊
Heres the full picture of it - Thought sustains joy and converts it into pleasure. Pleasure is basically the want of repeating that same joyful experience again. The next day, you experience that same moment again but now in the form of pleausre, its not that extraordinary and rather disappointing. NOW, fear comes into being. You are afraid of that experience because it gave you disappointment the day after it first gave you joy. So, pleasure followed by pain creates fear. Keep in mind that knowing this process or cycle of the origin of fear is useless. You have to apply one trick to never feel fear or any kind or pleasure which has nothing to do with joy. Just dont name anything you see around the world or observe in yourself. Any emotion, feeling, idea, object, belief, anything in this whole universe, dont name it. Forget that it even has a name. By doing this, you would not be able to recoginse anything around or inside you through memory, because thought doesnt interfere to tell its name (name of the thing). And if you are a regular listener of J.K and understand him a bit, you will be in more ease to not name anything and act like you live in a 'nameless world'. In this world, nothing can affect you and you would feel freedom, maybe.
I have seen a few of his discussions with others but this is one where I feel him so excited and laughing, when you share something and someone understands it. How wonderful that moment was
Pleasure starts and ends and continues. There is no totality, there is just the non-satisfaction of it. You always wanna continue and repeat the pleasure again so that you can experience the feeling that you did the last time. Why do you seek an experience of past? Because you didn't enjoy the moment completely, you just partially lived it through thought. There was no completeness there. So, you try and chase that again. (Becoming) The experience can be thought of and enjoyed again, you might argue. But hey, no. The memory of the experience, that too incomplete, cannot yield completeness ever. So anything which is thought and enjoyed or dejected is a memory and you try to repeat it by constant effort and seeking.
I discovered this channel a month ago thrrough a video recommendation from Mr. Sandeep Maheshwari's website.......The description said, this channel is maintained by the Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK, and by the Krishnamurti Foundation of America..., whoever you guys are, I thank you very very much for uploading these talks.....I watched about 10 videos or so, the problem that's going on in my mind regarding something got solved, my perception has changed....Again i thank you guys who r working and uploading these videos, from the bottom of my heart....
I once listened to the whole series of JK’s lectures with this professor and for me they were his best. The professor at the end was visibly moved and JK could see that he understood. Thank You!! NewCultureofPeace&Love....Now!🙏
I will try to answer this as much as I understand One person who does something good for someone like he or she is donating to someone needy and therafter makes a show of it This is pleasure The joy is Doing the same thing and just take it out of one's mind and heart forever and never ever tell anyone about it This will bring the real joy in oneself.
I was almost there with my self realisation, but I lost it..!! Just as Sir says "no thought" I am overwhelmed with this stream of memories that has no relation whatsoever to what I wanted to interpret...!!
The very ending sums it up quite well, I think. K says at that point that the religious dogma has always insisted on blocking/suppressing pleasure, and this has caused the enormous frustration and anger etc., which leads inevitably to violence. Perfect. I've noticed that love of power in so many people I've known -- this insane desire to control-control-control . . . Even the most innocent and spontaneous thoughts/desires they regard with ruthless disdain. They destroy all joy with their almost constant fear/hate. It wil always fade away, but then return with shocking violence.
There is probably no one else examining the subject of this discussion with regard to the pleasure vis a vis joy question to the depth that Krishnamurti goes into to get at a complete awareness of the fact that the holistic perspective (joy) is not something that occurs along a linear projection including the time element associated with pleasure or for that matter displeasure (pain) in such a way that links it together psychologically by thought processes. To most people listening to this dialogue there would be virtually no interest in looking into this at all because we are conditioned to the positive mindset that says go after the liked things and reject the non-liked things that life throws up in consciousness. The subtle linguistic or socially moral mistake of regarding pleasure and joy as one and the same phenomenal grouping psychologically is not something that even serious thinkers would see as worthy of anything more than a casual glance. Why would you waste your intellect on such a pedantic inquiry? And so the point of seeing that this questioning throws light on the reason why thought by its very nature can’t move beyond the self determined boundaries of fragmented consciousness (finite) to join with the desired dimension of infinite intelligence (compassion and love). It is obviously not the continuum that popular belief would claim to be the truth. To the vast majority of people from all points of the earth, clinging to the ‘I am’ images is believed to be the only ground on which human beings thrive and survive, without question, such is the power of conditioning,, unfortunately.
It’s not about getting rid of certain thoughts, as that would be ‘doing’ rather than observing. (It’s expecting and seeking a particular appearance/outcome, which is just more wanting). Don’t try to avoid the thought, just observe it if it appears. Let it come and go. You don’t have to get involved or respond to it.
I am surprised how krishnamurthi could keep a straight face in front of those eyebrows. That is one stoic man. I would have died laughing on the anchors face.
"Enjoyment becomes pleasure when thought says, 'I have enjoyed it, I want more of it'"! ❤
He who binds to himself a joy
Does the winged life destroy.
He who kisses the joy as it flies
Lives in eternity's sunrise.
~: William Blake :~
Thank you keeping Krishnamurti alive and his teachings .
So interesting!
Its a joy to inquire into this
The word Joy has the same root as join, yolk, union, joke and yoga. The root meaning of these words is to bring together so there is no division and therefore no conflict.
Enjoy life.😊
Joy can not be captured in order to be replayed, just be gratefully lived. Thank you🌹
Heres the full picture of it -
Thought sustains joy and converts it into pleasure. Pleasure is basically the want of repeating that same joyful experience again.
The next day, you experience that same moment again but now in the form of pleausre, its not that extraordinary and rather disappointing.
NOW, fear comes into being. You are afraid of that experience because it gave you disappointment the day after it first gave you joy. So, pleasure followed by pain creates fear.
Keep in mind that knowing this process or cycle of the origin of fear is useless. You have to apply one trick to never feel fear or any kind or pleasure which has nothing to do with joy.
Just dont name anything you see around the world or observe in yourself. Any emotion, feeling, idea, object, belief, anything in this whole universe, dont name it. Forget that it even has a name. By doing this, you would not be able to recoginse anything around or inside you through memory, because thought doesnt interfere to tell its name (name of the thing).
And if you are a regular listener of J.K and understand him a bit, you will be in more ease to not name anything and act like you live in a 'nameless world'. In this world, nothing can affect you and you would feel freedom, maybe.
Most insightful ....
I have seen a few of his discussions with others but this is one where I feel him so excited and laughing, when you share something and someone understands it. How wonderful that moment was
Thank you
Pleasure starts and ends and continues. There is no totality, there is just the non-satisfaction of it.
You always wanna continue and repeat the pleasure again so that you can experience the feeling that you did the last time.
Why do you seek an experience of past?
Because you didn't enjoy the moment completely, you just partially lived it through thought. There was no completeness there. So, you try and chase that again. (Becoming)
The experience can be thought of and enjoyed again, you might argue. But hey, no. The memory of the experience, that too incomplete, cannot yield completeness ever.
So anything which is thought and enjoyed or dejected is a memory and you try to repeat it by constant effort and seeking.
❤❤
Satisfaction again involves thought process because there is always 'me' who is satisfied.
I discovered this channel a month ago thrrough a video recommendation from Mr. Sandeep Maheshwari's website.......The description said, this channel is maintained by the Krishnamurti Foundation Trust, UK, and by the Krishnamurti Foundation of America..., whoever you guys are, I thank you very very much for uploading these talks.....I watched about 10 videos or so, the problem that's going on in my mind regarding something got solved, my perception has changed....Again i thank you guys who r working and uploading these videos, from the bottom of my heart....
I once listened to the whole series of JK’s lectures with this professor and for me they were his best.
The professor at the end was visibly moved and JK could see that he understood.
Thank You!!
NewCultureofPeace&Love....Now!🙏
Am here
Thank you for sharing J. Krishnamurti's wisdom! you are truly wonderful and generous ^^
muito grato...
There are very few videos in which he provides answers. This is one of them.
wow
Wow " they have said, No pleasure! " 💞 💯
How beautiful! How much attention K has paid to life that he explains it so vividly for others. A really beautiful teacher 🙏🙏🙏
Beautiful conversation that was a joy to listen to
Thank you so much. Thank you. Thank you
I will try to answer this as much as I understand
One person who does something good for someone like he or she is donating to someone needy and therafter makes a show of it
This is pleasure
The joy is
Doing the same thing and just take it out of one's mind and heart forever and never ever tell anyone about it
This will bring the real joy in oneself.
Beautiful
Excellent !
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Thank you, the first full video of krishnamurti
Ive watched
Beautiful, thank you! 💝💝💝
I was almost there with my self realisation, but I lost it..!! Just as Sir says "no thought" I am overwhelmed with this stream of memories that has no relation whatsoever to what I wanted to interpret...!!
Pleasure is of mind, relative to non pleasure, seeking, it is duality. Joy is a state of being/absolute/ oneness, non duality.
The very ending sums it up quite well, I think. K says at that point that the religious dogma has always insisted on blocking/suppressing pleasure, and this has caused the enormous frustration and anger etc., which leads inevitably to violence.
Perfect.
I've noticed that love of power in so many people I've known -- this insane desire to control-control-control . . . Even the most innocent and spontaneous thoughts/desires they regard with ruthless disdain. They destroy all joy with their almost constant fear/hate.
It wil always fade away, but then return with shocking violence.
Phenomenal!
Yes absolutely. Please provide the full talk
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These violent delights have violent ends.
Aha!
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K......❤️
There is probably no one else examining the subject of this discussion with regard to the pleasure vis a vis joy question to the depth that Krishnamurti goes into to get at a complete awareness of the fact that the holistic perspective (joy) is not something that occurs along a linear projection including the time element associated with pleasure or for that matter displeasure (pain) in such a way that links it together psychologically by thought processes.
To most people listening to this dialogue there would be virtually no interest in looking into this at all because we are conditioned to the positive mindset that says go after the liked things and reject the non-liked things that life throws up in consciousness. The subtle linguistic or socially moral mistake of regarding pleasure and joy as one and the same phenomenal grouping psychologically is not something that even serious thinkers would see as worthy of anything more than a casual glance. Why would you waste your intellect on such a pedantic inquiry? And so the point of seeing that this questioning throws light on the reason why thought by its very nature can’t move beyond the self determined boundaries of fragmented consciousness (finite) to join with the desired dimension of infinite intelligence (compassion and love). It is obviously not the continuum that popular belief would claim to be the truth.
To the vast majority of people from all points of the earth, clinging to the ‘I am’ images is believed to be the only ground on which human beings thrive and survive, without question, such is the power of conditioning,, unfortunately.
I think instead of "pleasure" Krishnamurti should've called it 'unconsciously expressed desire'
Plato would agree.
chasing the clouds away!*
How one can be completely attentive while having pleasure and not let 'thought' to ask for it again ?
It’s not about getting rid of certain thoughts, as that would be ‘doing’ rather than observing. (It’s expecting and seeking a particular appearance/outcome, which is just more wanting). Don’t try to avoid the thought, just observe it if it appears. Let it come and go. You don’t have to get involved or respond to it.
Seems pleasure is connected to satisfaction. The habit physical or mental to attain and sustain satisfaction appears to me to be related to pleasure.
I am surprised how krishnamurthi could keep a straight face in front of those eyebrows. That is one stoic man. I would have died laughing on the anchors face.
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