This is why I love film photography - even when there is a rule book, good things can happen when you break those rules. I have a ton of expired C41 film and feel that "making slides" out of them is a good use. "C41 via E6" is def an avenue that needs to be explored a bit more. Ya gonna give it a go??
These are all pretty great looking! This would never happened at our lab... Only because no one at our lab would risk ruining your film! I might have to give it a go myself Ribs! Great ideas and taking on the challenge of cross processing C-41in E-6 chemicals! Brave man! It is very artistic and bold and most importantly when it comes to an artistic point of view. You are spot on! Thanks for paving the way and showing the rest of us your results!
Thanks for the feedback! Agreed - a lab would never .. 😂. But yes, looks like there is a place for this just like any other creative technique. I was happily surprised and def will keep doing this, specifically with a bunch of the very expired C41 film that I have in the fridge. Good luck with your experimentation 💪🏽
@@ribsy I need to do this after I managed my Darkroom. I want to do some changes in the DR (hopefully moving in a bigger room) and I'm out of chemistry 🥺. Keep making your content as you do. I really enjoy your Videos and Instagram Posts/Reels/Stories. 😊
Spike Lee and some of his cinematographers have experimented with cross processing in some of his movies. "Clockers" and "Summer of Sam" have some startling examples of cinematic cross processing.
@@ribsy of the two I mentioned, I really do recommend "Clockers" over "Summer...". Not just for the cross processing, either; it's just a damned good film.
I was looking for a video like this a few months ago and I found no results at all. Thanks for sharing these experiments, the pictures came out really cool!
Please try this again with different film stocks!! Amazing idea, and very exciting, especially with the scarcity & price of slide film nowadays. Keep up the good work!
I gave a roll of mutliexposed 120 to my usual processor and they accidentally ran it e6 and I loved it! When I was looking at it and told my processor they were super embarrassed and gave me two free roll developments, but I was really happy with it being an experiment anyway.
One time I processed Agfa 200 chrome in c-41. I got results that were underexposed, but wild. I "hear" that to go this direction - e6 developed in c-41 - you should add a stop or two while exposing..... this builds up the contrast.
Been doing this a few times but not with E6 chemical. I use BW film chemical as first developer and C41 chemical as color developer, the hard part is finding the right time dev for every film.
@@ribsy Well I can say the result is much more than just OK although it wont beat the native E6 process in term of contrast, saturation, etc. I did it because the regular BW chemical and C41 is easier to find and last longer than E6 chemical.
@@irsan949 And if you don't mind a hazy signal, you can also brew some caffenol developer with 6 teaspoons of instant coffee (can't be decaf), 4 teaspoons of washing soda, one teaspoon of crushed vitamin C pills, 2-1/2 teaspoons of non-iodized salt, and 1-1/2 cups of 68 degree Fahrenheit water. I developed in the caffenol first for 20 minutes, then passed through 7 changes of water through the tank as a stop bath, then exposed the film to plenty of light, then ran a C-41 color cycle with the powder kit for twice as long on color developer and twice as long on the blix.
Hi, Great video. For C41 film I saw a tip on the internet to over-expose and then pull in development to reduce the red backing color. I have tried similar with reversal development on C41 which works but also leaves the same colorcast you have for blue in the sky. Hope you post more of your results! Thanks. :-)
I was able to get thin looking positive images on C-41 film by developing in caffenol, then running 7 changes of water through the tank, then taking the film out and exposing it to light, then running a double length color cycle using the C-41 powder kit. The signal is very hazy, but all the colors are positive, with the trademark orange color cast.
@@ribsy Be prepared to lose a lot of pictures before you get the time down...I am somewhere in the ballpark between 21 and 31 minutes at 72 degrees Fahrenheit-continuous agitation during first minute, then for 3 seconds every 20 minutes...right now in Biden's liberalized 'utopia' color film is more expensive than black and white film...the USA is currently in the process of trying to use the lazy non-motivated to enslave the motivated through heavy taxation, right after a pandemic and during the end of peak oil...
Nice. With fresh film the orange cast is to be expected. But I will give it definitely a try because it would be a huge money saver (colour film now even cheaper than b/w from Kodak!). Thanks for showing your results!
I just did this with a roll of 15 year colour film. The film stock was label likon, but it's definitely something else since their label peeled off to reveal a Kodak gold 200 canister that's been reloaded. I don't have c-41 chems, so I just used the e-6 that I already had. The results were ok. The chems were pretty well used but I'm going to try again with some fresh chems in the future since I still have a couple rolls of this cheap film. Cheers.
At least here in God's Waiting Room in Tiverton Rhode Island, if you have a reloadable online shopping card I am able to get a C-41 powder kit when ordered on Sunday morning after Shabbat has cleared and most likely it is coming tomorrow on Tuesday Evening. Tiverton is OPEC's dream come true.
Your strong off-color cast is probably caused by the orange mask incorporated in all C-41 process films. E-6 films do not have that type of mask, so the E-6 process is not designed to eliminate it. I assume the final images you post here required a lot of color correction in post processing to filter out that cast.
Hey! Yes that makes total sense. Seems like the color cast varies by film stock. LR made it easy to remove but I’d love for the “slides” themselves to look at bit more natural. It was fun to experiment nonetheless
Yo, cheers a lot mate, i really want to get some colour positive results, this opened a gate I did not know possible. Personally I really enjoy shooting expired films just because it feels more casual and loose. Thanks for share your results i think they are pretty dang cool.
Hey - yes I think so as well. The color cast is so dramatically different from the Kodak gold. I still haven’t tried using a filter for these experiments
I must've watched this video a dozen times already. I am definitely going to try it after I use up the film in my camera. But I'm thinking about pulling by 2 stops and seeing what happens.
Hi! Did you also overexpose this film? I was reading about it online, and some people say to push it during dev / overexpose it a couple of stops during shooting.
Those 2p06 colorama pics look very cool. I love the blue tone. Very similar to bleach bypass. Question: does processing C-41 in E-6 render the E-6 unusable for future E-6 batches? Does it taint the developer?
thanks for watching! no, the c41 doesn't not make the e6 unusable. as long as you take care of the chemicals, use proper temp, and wash as instructed between each each dev step, your chemicals will be fine. generally though, they do exhaust fast that c41.
Hey, I just bought E-6 chemicals and I was thinking of trying this, now I'll definitely give this a shot. Know of any good film stocks to try this with?
great! i've only tried it with Kodak ColorPlus and an expired roll of Colorama 200. The Kodak worked well although the physical positive is tinted orange (easy to color correct scans in LR tho)
This is fantastic! I've always seen this process but the other way around, which I thought was a waste of the uniqueness of E6 slide film to be honest, I've never liked the drab palette when cross processing that, but this is something I'm really excited to see. Can i ask if you think the sharpness was actually better by cross processing this as a slide as compared to a negative? I'm planning on doing something similar that you've done here but with Kodak 200T and 50D. Once again, brilliant video and it was really nice to hear you talk a bit about the process as i'd read your post on Reddit about this and wanted to know a lot more. One last question...the orange cast, did you find that was not only in the emulsion but also across the entire slide including the usual black areas of the frame? I'm wondering as I'm curious to using a blue filter to try and counter the orange cast, I usually use an 85b to correct tungsten so it would be the reverse in this case, blue to counter orange, what do you think, possible or is it just baked into the slide via the process meaning optical filters wouldn't correct it?
hey! i did this a while ago so i can't really answer the questions. but at best i can say its fun alternative for any shots that you don't care about too much / won't darkroom print
I wonder what would happen if you use that weird Russian film (Aerocolor?) that doesn’t have an orange mask? The stuff that’s made for creating aerial maps? Would that produce more accurate color?
I shoot a lot of slides, but I've never been a fan of Xpro slides on C41, HOWEVER, after watching this video, I'm def trying color negs on E6 Chems. love the desaturated colors and contrast on your shots. Some shots even look like very expired ektachrome, which i a huge fan of. About the Tetenal E6 kit, I've gotten 50 rolls out of the 32 rolls 2.5L kit, within a 4 months period, kept in cool dark place with no air in the bottles. I wouldn't try pushing it beyond that, my 51st roll at 4 months 2 weeks time, was shot uined :-)
hey! glad this inspired you. the results are def worth a try. careful though, each film stock delivers different results. not sure which you should start with. Good tips on the tetenal - i haven't been tracking but i def think i've gotten less out of them that you have. I def have to compensate more. gonna do a test with cinestill soon.
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This is why I love film photography - even when there is a rule book, good things can happen when you break those rules. I have a ton of expired C41 film and feel that "making slides" out of them is a good use. "C41 via E6" is def an avenue that needs to be explored a bit more. Ya gonna give it a go??
😊
Im not an Expert but I think analog photography is still the best and in the last few years I witnessed a trend with analog
These are all pretty great looking! This would never happened at our lab... Only because no one at our lab would risk ruining your film! I might have to give it a go myself Ribs! Great ideas and taking on the challenge of cross processing C-41in E-6 chemicals! Brave man! It is very artistic and bold and most importantly when it comes to an artistic point of view. You are spot on! Thanks for paving the way and showing the rest of us your results!
Thanks for the feedback! Agreed - a lab would never .. 😂. But yes, looks like there is a place for this just like any other creative technique. I was happily surprised and def will keep doing this, specifically with a bunch of the very expired C41 film that I have in the fridge. Good luck with your experimentation 💪🏽
FINALLY!! I foud a video about this topic! I'm very interested in doing this process myself.
Nice! It’s a fun process
@@ribsy I need to do this after I managed my Darkroom. I want to do some changes in the DR (hopefully moving in a bigger room) and I'm out of chemistry 🥺.
Keep making your content as you do. I really enjoy your Videos and Instagram Posts/Reels/Stories. 😊
Spike Lee and some of his cinematographers have experimented with cross processing in some of his movies. "Clockers" and "Summer of Sam" have some startling examples of cinematic cross processing.
Very interesting - I didn’t know this. Gonna have to check both movies out. I’ve seen a few spike lee joints but not those 😀
@@ribsy of the two I mentioned, I really do recommend "Clockers" over "Summer...". Not just for the cross processing, either; it's just a damned good film.
Sounds good - thanks for recommendation 😂
A man of the people. Answering questions and doing the work we need! Thanks man.
Glad it helped
Very informative, thanks man. Really cool you shared your failed results too
Thanks! Glad it was useful. Yea failure is part of the process!
I was looking for a video like this a few months ago and I found no results at all. Thanks for sharing these experiments, the pictures came out really cool!
i am glad to experiment. glad you found it useful 😊
found this off of reddit. Super cool results! :)
thanks for watching! yea, i like the results
Please try this again with different film stocks!! Amazing idea, and very exciting, especially with the scarcity & price of slide film nowadays. Keep up the good work!
All the photos look great! Because of your video, I’m gonna try cross processing Kodak 2254, since I have tons of it. Thanks for the video!
do it!
@@ribsy I'll certainly try!
Great video man.
Thanks for watching! Appreciate the comment 😊
This looks like a really fun experiment. Looking forward to getting some E6chemicals and trying it out.
yea def give it a go!
Definitely worth the time and experimentation! Thanks for posting this video :D
thanks! glad you enjoyed it
It’s really neat I love slide film so it’s a cool idea so I definitely want to give this a try.
yea its worth giving it a shot
I gave a roll of mutliexposed 120 to my usual processor and they accidentally ran it e6 and I loved it! When I was looking at it and told my processor they were super embarrassed and gave me two free roll developments, but I was really happy with it being an experiment anyway.
Haha very interesting
One time I processed Agfa 200 chrome in c-41. I got results that were underexposed, but wild. I "hear" that to go this direction - e6 developed in c-41 - you should add a stop or two while exposing..... this builds up the contrast.
Yea that def makes sense
Been doing this a few times but not with E6 chemical. I use BW film chemical as first developer and C41 chemical as color developer, the hard part is finding the right time dev for every film.
Good point - I actually just learned about that method today from someone on Facebook. Seems like it can work well. How have your results been?
@@ribsy Well I can say the result is much more than just OK although it wont beat the native E6 process in term of contrast, saturation, etc. I did it because the regular BW chemical and C41 is easier to find and last longer than E6 chemical.
@@irsan949 And if you don't mind a hazy signal, you can also brew some caffenol developer with 6 teaspoons of instant coffee (can't be decaf), 4 teaspoons of washing soda, one teaspoon of crushed vitamin C pills, 2-1/2 teaspoons of non-iodized salt, and 1-1/2 cups of 68 degree Fahrenheit water. I developed in the caffenol first for 20 minutes, then passed through 7 changes of water through the tank as a stop bath, then exposed the film to plenty of light, then ran a C-41 color cycle with the powder kit for twice as long on color developer and twice as long on the blix.
Hi, Great video. For C41 film I saw a tip on the internet to over-expose and then pull in development to reduce the red backing color. I have tried similar with reversal development on C41 which works but also leaves the same colorcast you have for blue in the sky. Hope you post more of your results! Thanks. :-)
hey - thanks for watching. yea, there a couple of tricks to minimize the color cast however nothing will be perfect. i will explore some more soon 😊
@@ribsy Great, looking forward to your videos!
I was able to get thin looking positive images on C-41 film by developing in caffenol, then running 7 changes of water through the tank, then taking the film out and exposing it to light, then running a double length color cycle using the C-41 powder kit. The signal is very hazy, but all the colors are positive, with the trademark orange color cast.
Interesting. I need to try that
@@ribsy Be prepared to lose a lot of pictures before you get the time down...I am somewhere in the ballpark between 21 and 31 minutes at 72 degrees Fahrenheit-continuous agitation during first minute, then for 3 seconds every 20 minutes...right now in Biden's liberalized 'utopia' color film is more expensive than black and white film...the USA is currently in the process of trying to use the lazy non-motivated to enslave the motivated through heavy taxation, right after a pandemic and during the end of peak oil...
Nice. With fresh film the orange cast is to be expected. But I will give it definitely a try because it would be a huge money saver (colour film now even cheaper than b/w from Kodak!). Thanks for showing your results!
Nice! Make sure to overexpose
I just did this with a roll of 15 year colour film. The film stock was label likon, but it's definitely something else since their label peeled off to reveal a Kodak gold 200 canister that's been reloaded. I don't have c-41 chems, so I just used the e-6 that I already had. The results were ok. The chems were pretty well used but I'm going to try again with some fresh chems in the future since I still have a couple rolls of this cheap film. Cheers.
def worth trying again
Very cool video! I'll have to give it a go with some 120
yea give it a shot!
Holy crap this is cool. Also with C-41 chemical kits being sold out everywhere, I'm actually considering buying an E-6 kit lol.
hahaha they are sold out? what country are you in? either way, yes you should consider getting some e6 chems and trying some cross processing 😊
@@ribsy I'm from south east asia but I gotta order my stuff from b&h, freestyle.biz, or even amazon. Film chemicals are really hard to find here
At least here in God's Waiting Room in Tiverton Rhode Island, if you have a reloadable online shopping card I am able to get a C-41 powder kit when ordered on Sunday morning after Shabbat has cleared and most likely it is coming tomorrow on Tuesday Evening. Tiverton is OPEC's dream come true.
Dope results!
Thansk!
Your strong off-color cast is probably caused by the orange mask incorporated in all C-41 process films. E-6 films do not have that type of mask, so the E-6 process is not designed to eliminate it. I assume the final images you post here required a lot of color correction in post processing to filter out that cast.
Hey! Yes that makes total sense. Seems like the color cast varies by film stock. LR made it easy to remove but I’d love for the “slides” themselves to look at bit more natural. It was fun to experiment nonetheless
Yo, cheers a lot mate, i really want to get some colour positive results, this opened a gate I did not know possible. Personally I really enjoy shooting expired films just because it feels more casual and loose. Thanks for share your results i think they are pretty dang cool.
Yea it’s def worth messing around with!
I’ve always wondered what C41 film looks like developed in E6! What chemicals did you use and how many rolls are they good for? Great video.
hey! i used the tetenal e-6 kit. typically you get no more than 16 rolls out of it, i believe.
Great stuff, thanks for showing this :D And definitely worth the experimentation!
thanks for watching! yea i haven't done that in a while
That Colorama film almost looks like its Tungsten balanced, wonder if an orange filter would even it out
Hey - yes I think so as well. The color cast is so dramatically different from the Kodak gold. I still haven’t tried using a filter for these experiments
Ribsy, have you thought about redoing this with an 85B warming filter???
yea potentially!
I must've watched this video a dozen times already. I am definitely going to try it after I use up the film in my camera. But I'm thinking about pulling by 2 stops and seeing what happens.
Haha I need to try it again too
Hi! Did you also overexpose this film? I was reading about it online, and some people say to push it during dev / overexpose it a couple of stops during shooting.
I didn’t but I should have
Those 2p06 colorama pics look very cool. I love the blue tone. Very similar to bleach bypass.
Question: does processing C-41 in E-6 render the E-6 unusable for future E-6 batches? Does it taint the developer?
thanks for watching! no, the c41 doesn't not make the e6 unusable. as long as you take care of the chemicals, use proper temp, and wash as instructed between each each dev step, your chemicals will be fine. generally though, they do exhaust fast that c41.
Hey, I just bought E-6 chemicals and I was thinking of trying this, now I'll definitely give this a shot. Know of any good film stocks to try this with?
great! i've only tried it with Kodak ColorPlus and an expired roll of Colorama 200. The Kodak worked well although the physical positive is tinted orange (easy to color correct scans in LR tho)
This is fantastic! I've always seen this process but the other way around, which I thought was a waste of the uniqueness of E6 slide film to be honest, I've never liked the drab palette when cross processing that, but this is something I'm really excited to see.
Can i ask if you think the sharpness was actually better by cross processing this as a slide as compared to a negative?
I'm planning on doing something similar that you've done here but with Kodak 200T and 50D.
Once again, brilliant video and it was really nice to hear you talk a bit about the process as i'd read your post on Reddit about this and wanted to know a lot more.
One last question...the orange cast, did you find that was not only in the emulsion but also across the entire slide including the usual black areas of the frame?
I'm wondering as I'm curious to using a blue filter to try and counter the orange cast, I usually use an 85b to correct tungsten so it would be the reverse in this case, blue to counter orange, what do you think, possible or is it just baked into the slide via the process meaning optical filters wouldn't correct it?
hey! i did this a while ago so i can't really answer the questions. but at best i can say its fun alternative for any shots that you don't care about too much / won't darkroom print
Man. I’m gonna try some Ultramax in E6 now.
dope. let me know how it goes!
I wonder if this would work with B&W
no clue!
I wonder what would happen if you use that weird Russian film (Aerocolor?) that doesn’t have an orange mask? The stuff that’s made for creating aerial maps? Would that produce more accurate color?
another youtuber did it and yes, it produced great colors
I shoot a lot of slides, but I've never been a fan of Xpro slides on C41, HOWEVER, after watching this video, I'm def trying color negs on E6 Chems. love the desaturated colors and contrast on your shots. Some shots even look like very expired ektachrome, which i a huge fan of.
About the Tetenal E6 kit, I've gotten 50 rolls out of the 32 rolls 2.5L kit, within a 4 months period, kept in cool dark place with no air in the bottles. I wouldn't try pushing it beyond that, my 51st roll at 4 months 2 weeks time, was shot
uined :-)
I must add, with the tetenal kit i add 15 secs time compensation on the 1st dev, every 2 rolls after the first 2.
hey! glad this inspired you. the results are def worth a try. careful though, each film stock delivers different results. not sure which you should start with. Good tips on the tetenal - i haven't been tracking but i def think i've gotten less out of them that you have. I def have to compensate more. gonna do a test with cinestill soon.
def will try this!
Love it!
thanks for watching!
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lol that’s me?
@@ribsy Yes...the light gray man...I wish men could get along and be affectionate..love not lust--friendzone for everyone. I have three stuffed gnomes, a wizard, a Santa, and two men that are stuffed plush humans I sleep with at night. The human is my favorite animal species.
The Nashville filter from Instagram was probably an attempt at replicating that kind of results.
Haha good point!
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Thanks!