Northern Italian or Southern Italian? - Accent Challenge
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Watch this video, and even if you don't understand a word of Italian you'll be able to understand if a person is from the North or from the South of Italy just by hearing them speak for a few seconds!
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A curiousity, Rome follows the southern rule as far as the "s" is concerned, but it has an interesting phenomenon of removing doubles even when they are written, which only happens there ;) You don't say :D
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In Italy you can literally cross the street and they will have a different accent.
Helena Alessandra That's right! 👍
Hell yeah!
True
And argue about it! :-D
Totally agree...specially here in Milan as actually there is a great proportion of Italian population coming from other regions ....and in addition there are also many foreign born people !
in Italy every ittle city has his own accent because in Italy every little city has is own story
That's due to the fragmentation of Italy into literally hundreds of mini-states in medieval ages.
Vero, soprattutto napoletani
Italy is not a single country. There are 2 countries inside one. North is similar to Austria or France, and South is similar to Albania or Greece. You won't believe that there's huge racism between Northern and Southern Italians. Back in the time Northern Italians didn't want Southerners to come up in the North. They wrote at the doors "We don't rent to southerners" (sometimes still happens) because they came (and come) in a massive number up in the North. There are even racist slurs towards North and South "Terroni"(against south) and "Polentoni"(against north). Back in time was a really strong party in northern Italy that wanted to split the country and called the North "Padania". Those secessionists still exists both in North and South. Italy is not united country.
I love this.
Eccolo
aaah whether it is in North or South, italian language is pretty
Thanks!
Except when you have to learn it...
My dad was born in Sicily in a small town not far from Agrigento. He came to the US when he was a year old. His parents both spoke dialect, and it was a very old dialect that few people on the mainland could even understand.
The Arabic language influence was strong, and I'll cite two examples: "letto" is bed in Italian; however, my grandparents and my father called bed "beddu." "Cavafiore" is Italian for cauliflower, but in their dialect it was "mouzatura." My grandparents had 15 children, with 9 surviving until adulthood. My father was the only one who ever wanted to visit Sicily and see the relatives. Even his younger second and third cousins had a difficult time understanding him. After my parents made their third trip to Sicily, my father was so upset that no one could understand him that he enrolled in a college Italian class. At 74 years old he loved the class and the other students. Once a month they would go to a local Italian restaurant and get to use their language skills. My father continued to take Italian courses until he was 80. He always said those days in the classroom twice a week were marvelous. Of course, my mother had to nag him to do his homework, but we were proud of him for sticking with the classes. When my parents returned to Sicily for their final visit my father astounded the family with his proficiency in the Tuscan dialect. Happy times. Good memories.
no need to listen. Squared shirt, jacket, sunglasses glued to their heads or inverted cap ? NORTH (because they're cool, ué figa). Anything else: SOUTH.
Álvaro Gil García that's milano right? hahaha
Álvaro Gil García give him an appointment:
if he comes 5 minutes earlier he is from the North
if he come 5 minutes late he is from the South
If he doesn't come at all: he's from Naples :-D
***** ma vai a cagare hahaha
ahahahah si si certo
I'm Greek and I found this video very interesting! I think that Southern Italian accent (concerning the "s") is somehow closer to Greek. Maybe has to do with Greek influence there? I'm just guessing...
joanna_k I agree with you
As a huge history nerd, yes, it has to do with the predominantly Greek speaking Eastern Roman Empire temporarily reconquering much of Italia, with their main region of control being the South. As a result, the dialect of Italian has been heavily influenced by Koine Greek.
true, but not just that, the southern accents come from a lot of different influences, depending on how many different people have conquered their land. after the romans, there have been goths, greeks, arabs, normans (originally french speaking), than last came the spaniards. so there are words and sounds coming from so many different offsprings. same in the north but with less, in the last 5 centuries, mainly the north-west part was subject to french occupation (Piedmont) or french/spanish (Lombardy), while in the north-east part the main influence was due to the austrian (Hapsburg) domination of Venice and Veneto (if you hear an austrian speaking german you can notice a similarity to the venetian tone).
I guess that being at the center of the mediterranean and surrounded by all other european powers has made Italy a crossroad for marching armies all over the centuries :)
Marco Spada Unfortunately I don't speak Italian, so I can only judge by this video's info. I wish I had payed more attention to the local accents, when I visited Italy some years ago. I speak German and I'm actually familiar with the Austrian accent, so I could easily spot that influence in the northern parts. Thanks for you comment anyway! :)
I think it's more of a Spanish influence, maybe.
southern Italian sounds more like spanish
And northern Italian sounds somewhat like French
It was occuped by Spanish ivasors in the past
They weren't speaking in Sicilian, but only with the Sicilian accent
No history book in your Barbarian House;
Arlin Feliciano Yes 💪🏽
What a wonderful, informative video. I no longer have to feel guilty about my 'wrong' accent. I learnt what little Italian I have in Piedmont and Torino, and whenever I ventured further south, people assumed I was French (though my real first language is English). I pronounce 'casa' with an /s/ but caso with a /z/ : that can't be right on anybody's terms
I seem fated by a malevolent god to speak minority or non-standard versions of every language. I speak Belgian French, Moldovan Romanian and Canarian Spanish. As for my English, ground left better undelved.
Be proud of it then :) At my university some people work reeeeeally hard to keep up linguistic diversity by acquiring minority languages and varieties of languages...
Canarian Spanish is the same as Latin American Spanish when it comes to the accent. The only things that Canary Islands and mainland Spain have in common are grammar and colloquial words.
"al sud gli piaccono così tanto le doppie che le mettono anche dove non vanno come libbero o subbito"
Piegato in due dalle risate.
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@@metatronyt anche la padela la bicicleta la silaba, non è male
Spanish and italian are very close, even in our differences between north and south. Thanks!
Metatron sei bravissimo! Il tuo inglese é invidiabile. Io mi ero accorta subito dai tuoi video che sei italiano del sud, non so nemmeno dirti perché. La tua pronuncia dei lemmi é perfetta, ma c'è qualcosa nell'inflessione che ti tradisce e non mi sembra assolutamente un difetto, anzi semmai aggiunge fascino! Il tuo inglese è migliore di quello di tanti madrelingua inglesi! Complimenti anche per il tuo italiano assolutamente corretto, che in Italia non è cosa da dare per scontata... You are super smart!
Veramente i toscani che conosco spiattellano sempre la s sorda e se glie lo fai notare giurano di non capire/sentire la differenza tra "Ca-s-a" e "Ca-z-a". L'unico errore che ammettono è la trasformazione della c in sc: "scena" invece che "cena". Ma da piemontese devo solo stare zitto perché noi facciamo un cazino incredibile con le vocali aperte/chiuse... tendiamo a spalancare tutto: "Torino" la pronunciamo quasi "Tahrino"
gippi86 in Toscana dipende tutto dall'area di provenienza e dall'età dei parlanti, per esempio quello che dici tu può verificarsi nell'area di Pisa o piuttosto con parlanti di una certa età. Ora come ora l'influenza del nord Italia è parecchia e mi rendo conto che la maggioranza dei giovani, almeno per quanto riguarda Firenze, utilizzi quasi sempre l'opzione della s sonora /z/
gippi86 e in ogni caso l'uso della /s/ sorda per parole come 'casa' sarebbe l'opzione "corretta" in italiano standard che infatti ha origine dal toscano. Sebbene non si dovrebbe parlare di corretto o sbagliato ma piuttosto di diverse variazioni linguistiche c'è da dire che se vuoi prendere in considerazione l'italiano standard la variazione Toscana è quella in assoluto più corretta.
No No NO e NO. Il fiorentino fu scelto come lingua nazionale per motivi pratici e politici, perché esisteva già un'abbondante lettaratura e perché era la lingua degli accademici in italia. Ma non coincide col toscano davvero parlato "volgarmente", che (mi spiace dirlo) è molto distorto e ha una fonetica molto impoverita. L'unico italiano standard e corretto è quello parlato dal presidente della repubblica al discorso di capodanno. E non lo parla nessuno nelle strade, TANTOMENO in toscana.
Il Toscano è stato scelto per l'importanza letteraria del dolce stil novo, ma io comunque lo trovo la migliore opzione perché tutto il sistema di vocali aperte, vocali chiuse, e consonanti aspre e sonore è perfettamente in sintonia con le origini latine della lingua italiana.
Pranzo vuole la z sonora perché deriva da pranDIum mentre lazio vuole la z sorda perché deriva da Latium.
Sono solo due esempi, ma solo il toscano le ha tutte perfette queste.
La dizione è figlia del toscano, non è il toscano, ma né è figlia.
Metatron certo! ma le parlate toscane moderne non hanno più tutti quegli elementi! trovo ridicola la pretesa che se è toscano allora è più corretto. Nel toscano accademico che dici tu è agghiacciante pronunciare "scena" anzi che "cena"
you're awesome I love language italian.Soy mexicano,So Im trying to learn it soo...Thank you for your video and teaching.
saludos
de parte franky moreno
I love Italian either way and the accent differences were obvious to me. ❤❤❤
Amazing video, thank you so much. As a teacher myself, I'd like to acknowledge the effort and love you put into this presentation. Grazie!!!
Oh my god, I got them all right! I'm a linguistic genius!! I'm king of the...
What? It's a useless skill? No practical applications whatsoever?
Well, shit.
If you were to study Italian it would have applications. But even if you didn't study Italian specifically, you can still use these excercises to improve your ability to distinguish small differences in sounds, which would improve any language you are studying.
Ofcourse if you are not interested at all in language training...
To clarify, I didn't mean it as a criticism. I really enjoyed the video. I just have a habit of acquiring skills and knowledge that are... let's say esoteric.
Want to know about Yugoslavian politics in the 1980s? I'm your man.
Want to learn about ancient Egyptian burial rites? No problem!
Want help changing your oil? God help you, because I certainly can't.
Thanks for responding, by the way. A man with hair that lustrous can't have much time to spare.
88fibonaccisequence ahahah no problem pal :)
Jaysus you must be living in England for years cos youve a complete english accent!!
I have lived in England a few years indeed :)
Thank you soooooooooo much ..that was a perfect video..i learnt so much from it.
I hope you will continue posting more videos about the Italian and Sicilian differences
I surey will :) thanks! Grazie
From my experience ( lived in Italy 2004-09), generally Northern Italians tend to have a quicker speech vs Southern Italians.
Yes! I got them all correct! My grandfather was from Bari but spoke different dialects so I was able to discern the different types. Great video.
Se tutti i madrelingua inglese parlassero come te, avrei un listening da 10 e lode!!! Scandisci tutto alla perfezione!!! GRANDE!
Interessantissimo. È molto strano sentire pronunciare certe parole ("a Roma ") come due parole secondo il modo nordico, ma la parte “Roma“ con accento del sud!
awesome video! i actually got all correct (thanks to a great teacher!), and i simply assumed you would say "well, the first one was this, and the second one was that", but how to presented the answers were great! i was really impressed! good job, mate!
In all honesty, there is no time or universe in which you could not have been a teacher. Your students must do spectacularly.
Che figata non lo sapevo che il dover pronunciare una doppia anche se non c'è scritto è una regola grammaticale pensavo si trattasse solo del diverso accento. Grande bel video
Mi fa piacere che tu abbia trovato il video interessante, la regola si chiama raddoppiamento fono sintattico :)
Metatron！ you are marvelous!! Your English is convincing as well as your Italian language knowledges!! Thank you!
Ciao e la prima volta che guardo i tuoi video , il tuo accento è molto buono quasi perfetto , io sono madre lingua inglese Ma tu sinceramente parli meglio di me , nel mio caso mia madre e inglese ma io sono nato e cresciuto in Italia ovviamente andavo in Inghilterra da piccolo due/tre volte l anno in piu ho vissuto in Inghilterra due anni quando avevo 18/19 anni, cmq parli molto bene e non ascoltare i soliti pirla che dicono che non sei perfetto ecc, gli italiani sono sempre molto critici .
Grazie tante :)
Nailed it 😹 mainly because I watch lots of Italian movies and I travel there every year ❤️
Non avrei mai detto che eri italiano! Ottima spiegazione, sono bilingue e insegno italiano a stranieri..questo video è molto chiaro e utile per la pronuncia! Complimenti! :)
Saluti da una mezza friulana come te!
Aahaha grazie mille Giulia mi fa paicere che ti sia piaciuto il mio video :)
LOL the best English speaking Italian I've ever heard !!!!! Well done bro
I did not do too well, even for an Italian-American who grew up listening to his grandparents speak Materese (Matera, Basilicata) and dad's side was from Agrigento (Sicily). Great video. Very informative. Ciau.
Grazie tante per questo video, io vivo in nord ma sono straniera, e fino adesso avevo difficoltà di capire diversi accenti. Mi hai aiutato tantissimo :D
Mi fa piacere davvero ^^
Wow I managed to recognize all of them, I'm proud. 😇
Thank you for the video, it was very informative for when I'll visit Italy. 😊
Il tuo inglese è magnifico, complimenti.
Vorrei impararlo al tuo livello :)
Grazie mille!
My rule of thumb was, if there spoke slowly, I took it from the north, and those who spoke fast were from the south; although, one was talking fast was from the North.
what? in Milan they speak super-fast!
Good video. I picked up the difference right away, even though I don't speak Italian, but I have family in Monfalcone and can distinguish the northern accent quite easily. Especially the guy from Udine.
Very interesting! I got them all right and don't know Italian -- you're a very good teacher!
Very difficult for now.
Have to see it again and again...
Great video. Love how you gave historical explanations and examples.
Questo video è interessantissimo, e il tuo accento inglese è stupendo.
excellent job explaining the difference. i got all of them on the first try.
1. North, 2. South 3. South 4. North 5. Not sure. 6. Mix 7. South
Interesting video. I didn't do too well on the North/ South quiz but great video.
So southern sounds sexier. 😝
M. Máire Ó Súilleabháin
Oh I see. :D
It depends on the area, but actually most northern Italian accents are softer than southern ones to the point that sometimes southern people consider most northern men from certain areas to sound snob and some even effeminate. The reason for that is the influence of France, rather than Germany.
Southern is always sexier, everywhere... except maybe in the Southern Hemisphere.
@@metatronyt - North Italians would reply that Southern ones are rustic barbarians and not even properly Italian (in the Medieval sense of the word).
@@m.mairenishuilleabhain6298 is that so? Dì qualcosa in Italiano dai :)
2:21
this is how I learned to pronounce words like casa I say "caza" (not "casa") and all of the Northern examples he gives is how I pronounce. My nonno was Veneto from Treviso, my nonna was Sicilian from Catania but I spoke Italian with the Northern accents...
now sadly I have forgotten the majority of the Italian I spoke so fluently as a child :(
that was a beautiful way of demonstrating how to catch a accent. i got a 100 because i followed what you said.
I got all of them correct - you're a great teacher! I thought that the first one might be a Tuscan accent, though, because I could hear a mix of 's' and 'z' sounds, but apparently I was wrong on that one!
I started learning italian less than a month ago (just by myself) and I got them all correct. I think that says a lot about the teacher 😊 Great video 👍
Another great video, thank you, Metatron!
I didn't even need to listen to know that the third dude was a southerner! :-)
For me, it's all about whether they sound like old people in Philadelphia who hung around, smoked, drank homemade wine, and argued while playing bocce when I was a kid. If they do, they're southern. To this day, I love that accent. :-)
è interessante e curioso come, vivendo una lingua dall'interno, si tenda a non far caso ad alcuni aspetti evidenti. Video molto interessante anche per un Italiano. Bravo Metatron! Tu di dove sei?
Ciao e grazie. Sono siciliano ^^
My family is from southern Italy, but I do speak the Florentine. Must admit this video through me for a loop, because I often recognized the differences more by the common soft double D, the common "u" in Sicilia, and the truncated ends of words from the Napoli region. And in Siena I remember hearing the "s" sometimes like the "sh" in English. Seven questions, I got just two correct, three wrong, and two couldn't determine. But I did enjoy this and learned a lot.
Outstanding. Good video with lots of substance to it.
Figa se il migliore è quello di Milano
Valerio Ivanov scialla fra
It is actually comparison between Germans ( North ) and Greeks ( south )
Hellenic Pride French no German
Hellenic Pride differences between North and South are overestimated, at least when it come to genetic.
I’m American Italian but my grandparents came from Sicily and Calabria
I got them right, but mostly because of the doubles - those people sounded like my grandparents' generation.
Il Lazio si trova nel centro e non nel sud sia dal punto di vista geografico che da quello linguistico..
davvero bravo! son di Udine e devo dire quando ho sentito il mio concittadino ho subito sentito quello che a me pare l italiano standard è dunque ho capito fosse delle mie parti
Grazie mille e mandi! :D
yeah i got them, the palermo one was wild but that's sicily lol great vid.
one of the most amazing explanations about language / dialects I found on youtube. I did 4 right and 3 false. By the way: Italian > most beautiful language in the world!
I could get the answers because I watched a lot of Inspector Montalbano... also my Italian colleagues at my company were mainly from the North like Milan, Tuscany and Trieste. I think some Northern accents tend to mumble a lot? My teammate sounded like exactly like the guy from Udine and I often couldn't understand his Italian, whilst my team leader was from Milan and spoke quite clearly.
It's funny. My mom is a Friulana, and we have many Piemontesi as friends, and my cousins live in Veneto. If you start in Sicily, as you move north, people become progressively more intelligible to me.
ahahaha, Metatron, sei grande! =] I was able to get all of 'em--to my happy surprise! M'ha piaciuto un tot! Bravo.
Epyrian cosa
White Pitch Boh
Epyrian a ok tutt apposto
White Pitch Hahaha mi scusa, ma non ho capito cos'e' che lei non ha capito da quello che io ho detto. =P
Epyrian aspe ma non sei italiano?
Great video, thanks. Recognized all.
for me, if someone look poor, might be south, look rich, might be north
I love the channel! Do you have a video on the proto Italian cultures? That would be really interesting
Yep. Got them all. Not suprisingly!
The guy in the jean jacket was perfect. The hands...
Thank you for making this video, I actually got all of them right!
I could recognize the difference, mainly because I could understand the Northern accent, which is the one I studied in school. I remember when I was in Rome I couldn't understand the dialect but I had no problem in Florence.
I suspect the pronunciation of the s as z in the north of italy might be connected to germanic influences. Germans to this day pronounce the S as a Z (unless at the end of the word or written as double consonant)
7 out of 7. I didn't so much listen for the cues provided, but more for the general tenor and attitude of the speaker. And I have no experience with the Italian language.
I couldn't recognize just the last one.
wonderful videos...perfect style for self learning with style! bravo...
I could tell in certain cases by just looking at the person i was probably at 50 percent .
All'inizio ero convintissima che fossi inglese (anche se in effetti non lo sembri), hai una prouncia praticamente perfetta!😱
Grazie mille Sofia, apprezzo le tue parole :)
+Metatron Di niente :)
Sofia Scortegagna PS: è appena uscito un altro video sull'italiano che potrebbe piacerti se ti è piaciuto questo :D
I liked it very much especially because you are a native speaker of Italian.
I recognized all of them yay. I kind of cheated because I recognized il porto di Napoli.
I miss Italy so much!
I was shopping in Milan shopping for sunglasses. While chatting away with the sales lady she suddenly confidently states my hometown A tiny mountain top village in Calabria 1000kms away. After a little banter and finally a bet I quite smugly let her know I was actually born and raised in Sydney Australia. Later I confessed she only lost the bet on a technicality, Using the so called old dialect I explained While I am Australian, my entire family lives in and around San Luca my parents being the 2 that left Italy. Being from a neighbouring town she giggled saying the more we spoke she started to wonder if my Australian ID I produced as fake.
Hello, I need your help, which of these pronunciation is correct ?. Pèrugini (PÈh-ru-gi-ni) [1st syllable held the longest] or Pèrugini (pèh-ru-GI-ni) [2nd to last syllable held the longest].
8:00 is pretty much Frank Pentangelli from Godfather 2
now the real question is, which part of italy speaks like super mario?
And now I know too ...
I didn't know the thing about doubles, everybody always said me to double only if it's written, they lied to me!
Manuel Dissette indeed it's so, that's a southern italian common mistake
its not a mistake its the way different dialects are spoken italy for a long time consisted of many individual city states before becoming a unified country and I use the term unified loosely so the differences in spoken language go back hundreds if not thousands of years
Bravo, video faTTo BBene, aZZeccato va'... di dove "Zono"? Scherzi a parte, "VERY GOOD" indeed!
Grazie mille Sebastiano :)
Southern accents are rhythmic and musical to the ear.
I just found your channel. I have lived in Italy only 5 years and I am still learning Italian. But amazingly, I got them all right! I notice your accent is British. Did you live in the UK or have a British language teacher? I teach American English to Italian students. I was born in the UK and lived there as a child so my speech is "clean" for an American lol.
got a A on the test , I spend 2 years in Naples
Great video!
Sono capitato per caso su questo video e, pur nelle necessarie semplificazioni fatte, l'ho trovato carino.
Fra le eccezioni alle regole dette, come fai per Roma, ne suggerisco una curiosa e notevolmente meno estesa.
Modena, in Emilia-Romagna, fa parte delle zone del Nord, in particolare di quella con dialetto gallo-italico.
Nella sua provincia c'è Sassuolo.
Tutta la provincia prende in giro quel comune (circa 40k abitanti, il 3° della provincia) per le S marcate e diverse del suono "z".
Cercate a Nek, Pierangelo Bertoli o Caterina Caselli per sentire il modo di parlare.
Giusto per fare confusione tra Nord e Sud. 😉
Non conosco la parlata nella fattispecie, però seguendo il tuo consiglio ho appena finito di ascoltare delle interviste a tutti e tre, Nek, Beroli e Caselli, e tutti hanno usato le tipiche "s" dolci sonore del nord, nessuno aveva la "s" sorda del sud, quindi non mi trovo con il tuo ragionamento, quantomeno in questi tre casi.
manwwoettam io sono di Modena
Giulia Iotti ok. Quindi? xD
per quanto riguarda il commento, forse non ho ben inteso la differenza nei suoni che dicevi.
Comunque per le S diverse dalle zone limitrofe Sassuolo è riconosciuta (si dice che i sassolesi "sissolano", dal dialetto non so come tradurlo, ma il concetto è una S molto marcata, anche se a discapito delle doppie -tipo che la città sembra chiamarsi Sasuolo o Sàsol se senti i vecchi -).
Per gli esempi, probabilmente ho davvero inteso male il concetto, ma non escludo le differenti dizioni dei cantanti alle prime armi e dopo anni di notorietà (Bertoli ad es. prese lezioni per parlare in modo meno "provinciale").
manwwoettam Ok interessante grazie :)
ok, so southern accent is bad. Why? Simple example: casa said in southern sounds pretty similar to cassa. While in northern it is clear difference and no possible confusion.
Actually no, cassa has a double "s" which we Italians identify easily as a stronger sound, also southern Italian casa is how the Romans pronounced it in Latin, so it's actually more correct not to change that "s" into a "z".
I feel like the pizza was a dead giveaway
I love the old guy on Cibo da strada
I guessed all of them right.
7:49 This dude is killing me.
You should listen to people from the calabrian rural area...
They almost have their own individual language.
So southern Italian sounds like the Sopranos or Mario Bros. and northern Italian sounds like Castiliano
Great video! Greetings from Galapagos' Island 🏝 Country. 😊 ✌
1. I can see that it's North just by their faces.
2. South.
3. I don't understand what he's saying. Probably North.
4. North.
5. This sounds totally Spanish. South.
6. South.
7. North.
3 mistakes.
I did, because i'm brazilian, so i speak portuguese. A latin language very close to italian.
I moved to Brazil 26 years ago, when I was 32, and I speak and write Br Portuguese very well, but my wife (she's Brazilian) says I still have a strong Mario/Luigi northern Italy accent!! So yes, #MeToo kkkkkkk