When you can't Even SAY,🎶 MY NAME🎶 Note: a few people have been calling me out on this and honestly that’s fair. In this video I mispronounced raiden’s name, and said Ray-Den and not Rai-Den. I’ve played MGS2 and Rising and the truth is… i have just been playing a lot of mortal Kombat. Kinda been binging through 9- MK1 for their stories so How they say Raiden was kinda burned into my mind at the time I made my video my fault😅
fans did nothing MGSV is just an unfinished game that kojima says finished because he wanted more budget to make the game, it was supposed to be bigger than peace walker, you can't tell me it's a finished game because the day 1 versions of the game has mission 51 but %30 complete, we love venom snake but there is kinda no lore about venom snake and big boss between peace walker and mg1
Zero played himself and Skullface finished him off. Big Boss, on the other hand, "sold his comrades all over the world" (MGSV mission 22 reference) in order to return with the CIA. Giving up the renegade mercs and sandinistas he could establish the special unit of FoxHound at Langley in the strictly following years. And last but not least, he cheated death with the creation of doppelgangers and identical clones. For example there is no in-game confermation that Zanzibar's Big Boss is MSF's Vic Boss
@@sergioriggio1769 Well zero allowed big boss cheat death for example he created venom snake for that specific reason. Zero also created the clones too. If zero didn’t create big boss clones or his doppelgänger then he would not be able to cheat death. Zero is underrated i believe and he is literally the mastermind of metal gear. He may have played himself but he allowed death to never touch big boss. I agree with you but zero isn’t dumb as you think he is.
I know, Zero isn't dumb but he is the only one who did not seek to directly handle power. The billions his agents used and the English codes they built had the final goal to ensure the total supremacy of America over any country. He was indeed different from all the other Cipher's biggest operatives. Because they all tried to invest into a system where their role would have been essential. On the other hand Zero created an uncontrallable and self-sustaining system, which did not have any need of him. Doing so he put himself in an enormous danger but probably it did not really matter to him
@jarlnooch1882 in the context of voicing venom, I can live with that decision, in fact i like his voice and hes a talented actor. If the game was about boss or snake, then without a doubt, hayter.
@@jarlnooch1882Hayter’s the GOAT sadly got done dirty by Kojima, and I defo wish he was in the game as Snake but I cannot lie he would not have delivered that “From the Man Who Sold the World” speech as well as Kiefer did
@@Shittyrapper And he isnt even a War Criminal cause most of the things he does are all within law there is a Video that explains this better called The Crimes of Big Boss
My only issue was that i thought part of the big reveal with Kiefer would be that once you saw the real big boss he would sound like David Hayter. And you would be like AAAUUHHHHHGGGH!!! but it wasn't like that.
I prefer Keifer's voice for both roles. Its a decade into the future after peace walker, makes sense boss's voice would be gruffer. If ishmael had hayters voice in the hospital the ruse would be up imediately. Kiefer is a good transition between Hayter's younger voice, and the old big boss at the end of MGS4.
@@chromicm6686 dude when you put it that way... The fact that the ruse had to endure to make the encounter misleading and believable to the player... It makes sense to think that big boss left nothing to chance and even went as far as teaching himself to sound just like his buddy in order to sell the whole ordeal. Blew my mind.
@chromicm6686 surely the ruse was up anyway? I can't imagine many people didn't see it coming as soon as they heard two characters with the same voice.
I loved Venom from the start. He is the best of the Snakes. He gives the most, is the toughest, and you gotta love a guy that rescues animals from the battlefield.
That's why I don't like him. He's better than Big Boss. So the whole "worlds greatest soldier" is just retconned to not being true. Venom is the world's greatest soldier.
@@handgun559 Well first off, when solid killed him it hardly "retconned" the "worlds greatest soldier", and second, how would you even know? after the hospital they never see each other again.
@@daniel8181 I don't fully understand what you meant, so I'll just iterate on my thought: Half of the actions that the world attributed to Big Boss were never done by him. They were done by Venom. That fact didn't exist until MGS5, and I dare say, a piece of information being changed that late in the game DOES qualify as a retcon.
@@handgun559 Why are you assuming that the credit for "the greatest soldier ever" is only contained within MGSV? He became a legend as naked, when he killed big boss, peacewalker and GZ were both boss, and basically nothing venom did made an impact outside of the diamond dog's bubble. Remember, total nuclear disarmament isnt canon, MG2 claimed (the real) boss was the only one with nukes, but MGS retconned that and stuck by its story for the rest of the series. Venom's only globally impactful actions were the defeat of sally and skullface, which never got a chance to be a problem outside afghanistan and africa, so nobody could possibly care. Hell, skullface dies thinking he got his shot at boss, but boss ends the game without every having a clue who the fuck he is.
@daniel8181 you're completely missing my point to a degree where I think you're being intentionally obtuse... Half of all his achievements don't belong to him. THATS what I mean by "not the world's greatest soldier" anymore. Half of all the things that people attribute to being done by him, aren't. As in literally, cut his time he was alive in MG1 in half, and half of that is Big Boss, half of it is Venom. Cutting an amount of time in half wasn't supposed to be a puzzle. Please just understand. It's not that complicated.
Been a Venom Fan since release I can respect other fan’s love for Hayter (and I do really like him in MGS1) but the way Snake is presented in GZ and TPP through the physical performance and directing/camara work, making him more stoic connected with me. And Kiefer’s more natural voice fits with the whole tone of MGSV And you are right, Diamond Dogs are so nice! lol…. I feel the narrative is, that whenever VS or DD as a whole had to make tough choices, or actually did something questionable; not the people on the inside, but those looking from the outside (or the ones rejected like Huey) created “dark legends” of this “villain” organization… Besides… during and after TPP, it’s the Patriots and it’s AI that would be controlling information around the world, so they too could be the ones painting BB and DD as villains…
That I can agree with, Kiefer fits whatever Kojima was envisioning for metal gear with his more stoic tone Oh and I totally agree with you there on others labelling the diamond dogs that way, like Kaz said when Huey was exiled “In no time he’ll be talking about the Black-Hearted Diamond Dogs. The Shining white Knight. Blabbering on about our Injustice, Hiding behind his fools idea of Morality… And all the other fools will stand around, nodding at every word he says.” Thank you for the comment✌️
You can hear soldiers in Africa talk about Diamond Dogs, how they think they are a bunch of creepy nutjobs who kidnap soldiers (fultoning), who randomly go on rampages and destroy things for no apparent reason (like the destruction of the oil field or the Ngumba Industrial Zone) and how they basically agreed to avoid attacking DD operatives due to how they have access to extremely advanced tech.
@@2PhoneTyphoon MGSV to me is just like MGS2, a great game that people misunderstood when it first cameout and now more and more people grow to appreciate it. Chapter 2 in particular is one of the most misunderstood aspects of the game that people write off as "unfinished"; even though Hideo Kojima himself explain in the official guide book that killing off Skull Face at the end of Chapter 1 was meant to leave the player with a "lasting phantom pain after your target of vengeance is gone" for the duration of chapter 2...I think the repeated missions in chapter 2 also mean to represent the the cycle of vengeance...as the game puts it at the start "Just another day in a war with no end".
@@Miyakolover I think that’s a really great way to put it. MGSV and MGS2 are wonderful games. That initially got heat for doing things a lot different, bravo to you👏
I'm playing MGS V again after few years off, I still love the gameplay, but I didn't changed my mind about the story, who remains the worst of the canon MGS games. Skull Face is the most boring antagonist. I didn't care about him, so I didn't feel anything when he died and as he died in the middle of the fame, it was really anticlimatic, the game continues as nothing important happened. The revelation that we played a fake BB is stupid. What is even the point of cloning BB if you can turn a random dude into BB ? Quiet is the only interesting character in the entire cast. Huey is useless, Miller and Ocelot don't bring anything to the game... I really enjoyed the Paz storyline, but it is wasted as it's not BB experiencing the trauma of losing Paz but Venom. That makes no sense, why would Venom feels this way about Paz anyway ?
Punished Venom Snake having a different voice makes sense though because Venom is not a clone he's a different person just a double cat you know what I mean lol
@@nathanthomason3532 That's the point tho it's so they could execute the story. the medic has the same voice as big boss just pitched down. If they had the of VA it would have been easy af to see who's the real big boss
I wouldn't mind if the role was revealed during the intro. It was like keeping the world's biggest lie and the responsibility of it. Kinda how the boss did with naked snake. Would be cool if we got a glimpse of what the real big boss was doing behind the scenes too
I could see that kind of working in a way. with both Venom and Naked Snake working on their respective halves (Outer heaven and Zanzibar Land) together. not too bad honestly thank you for the comment✌️
its funny how i grew to like VSnake. I remember thinking, "Big Boss is different, not talking much', after i learned about it, i respected VSnake and at the end if I have to choose one, him or Big Boss, It'll be VSnake! He had to put 'his' face out there and face all the things that Big Boss couldn't or wouldn't and he exceled at all, just for Big Boss get all the glory, not fair at all.
Konami made a huge mistake by not letting Kojima finish the game. Okay he was out of budget and missed the deadlines but you only have to take a look at the success of the previous titles. Let the man cook . It is more likely he makes something great than not .
And that’s how Metal Gear went down. Not with a bang, but a whimper. Kojima, instead of giving us the truth, decided to “create context” - convenient narration that the masses - us - unquestionably embraced as our own. David Hayter became a symbol which was just as exploited as the guy he voiced.
13:13 what's really ironic is that venom is basically Raiden of mgsv, fans hated you couldn't play as snake in mgs2 and then when 5 came out it became everyone's favorite games even though Venom is not snake.
My headcanon for what was meant to happen after chapter 2 is this: Chapter 3 - Fall (or something better, whatever) Chapter 2 ends with the big battle between Diamond Dogs and Eli's kingdom of the flies. Diamond Dogs wins, and the island is bombarded by Diamond Dogs to not leave a trace of what happened, making Venom think he allowed Eli to die. The children got recaptured by Diamond Dogs, and are given more military roles around the base to satiate their bloodlust. Things such as the second vocal cord outbreak and Quiet leaving still happen, putting a heavy toll on Venom's mind, but he moves on, with Diamond Dogs getting hired to do more jobs. The jobs become darker and more gruesome, such as recruiting child soldiers into his army, or having to silence people and maybe even former Diamond Dogs soldiers (such as how you're sometimes tasked in FOB events to take down former members who made their own PFs). You're given choices to be a good person, or to go further into being a demon. Most of the times though, you'll be forced to be a demon (maybe having to kill a child or two here and there). The Paz story line also still happens, but is more integrated into the story (such as when on a mission you'll see faint sightings of her, and eventually you run into her, and extract her back to Mother Base). The visions of Paz further develop, and eventually the truth is revealed she died long ago. This breaks Venom mentally, and Outer Heaven becomes more and more ruthless. Somewhere down the line this makes Miller leave Diamond Dogs and wreck parts of Mother Base, prompting it to be seen as unfit for a proper home to Diamond Dogs. Luckily, there have been signs of instability in South Africa, and you're sent on a couple of missions to destabilize the region, allowing for the takeover of Fortress Outer Heaven in a big final battle, and Outer Heaven being created as a nation, with Venom also approving the beginning of a new weapon: Metal Gear TX-55. The game "ends" here, and the player is now free to do what they want. However, once they reach 100% completion, a final mission is unlocked: Truth: The Man Who Sold The World. It shows a much older Venom, around the year 1995. There is trouble in Outer Heaven, with resistance fighters recently increasing, and foreign nations taking a bigger notice into the things going on inside Outer Heaven, mainly the construction of TX-55. Recently a spy had been captured from FOXHOUND, someone known as Gray Fox. Venom is hit while fighting against resistance fighters, and is temporarily able to see his true self in a reflection. He goes back to his quarters, looks in the mirror, and just like the truth ending, sees himself. He plays the tape in which the real Big Boss reveals the truth, and the cutscene plays out as it did like in MGSV. It then cuts to alarms going off all around Outer Heaven, with the self-destruct sequence having been activated after Solid Snake destroy Metal Gear TX-55. Venom and Solid meet, and a battle ensues. The player can fight as hard as they want, but no matter what they do, they cannot kill Solid Snake. Eventually once they die, Solid manages to flee Outer Heaven, and Venom receives a transmission from his iDroid. Big Boss tells him he did a great job, and will be remembered by him as a hero. The rest of the world will never have known of his existence, yet Venom is glad to have served under Big Boss. Big Boss tells him he no longer has to bear the title of Big Boss, and bids him farewell. Venom dies as Outer Heaven erupts, with "Here's To You" playing in the background.
There's a youtuber named Jeremy Jahns that reviewed the game that first came out and he had an interesting perspective that I think could shed light on how Venom Snake fits into the story as well as the legend of Big Boss. He said: the future always echoes the past. Which fits thematically with the heroes a lot of the main characters of the story. The Boss was vilified for becoming the unsung hero during Operation Snake Eater, Big Boss was vilified by the world super powers because he gave soldiers a home and a nation meant for them, Solid Snake was vilified as an ecological terrorist for sinking the tanker which he was falsely blamed for just like the Boss was used as the scapegoat for the destruction of the research facility causing an international incident. There's also an argument to be made that both Solidus and Liquid Ocelot also fall into these patterns a bit because of what there true intentions are. In Solidus case he wanted to eliminate the Patriots which Solid Snake ended up doing anyway. Ocelot was basically forced to become a villain and take down the patriots because of his longstanding grudge against Zero for betraying Big Boss. When you think about it he was just siding with whoever was going against the Patriots and their A.I. Which is why he killed DARPA Chief Donald Anderson, why he probably killed Miller in MGS1 (MGSV lets us know why they're enemies), and why he wasn't mad at Snake for destroying the Patriots A.I. in MGS4.
i got this recommended to me and thought this was a vid from any popular creator due to the editing and style, until i saw the views and subs. really well done man keep it up.
It’s my favorite and its game play is by far the best. The controls are tight, it’s just fun to play. The controls were kinda shitty on some of the first MGS games
Alot of misinterpretation happens around Venoms dialogue. Heres how I saw it, Kojima threw as many subtle or obvious clues in the game that only careful fans would notice, reveals the plot as the story goes on. (Example: the AI pod saying "Snake, is that you? It cant be?" The different voice actor makes sense with venom not being the same person as big boss (therefore not the same voice actor), this was disguised under the fans annoyance at the voice actor change which was perfect to hide this detail. The lack of dialogue makes sense, Venom is new in the role and isnt quite sure how he should act or respond to most things (because he has little experience in the role). A hint is when he travels back to motherbase with Kaz he says "Kaz, tell me what to do, like you used to do". Venom performed exactly as anyone put in that position should have felt, confused, new and unconfident. Ocelot and Miller were there as guidance, thats why they do most of the narration. That's exactly how I would feel if I was in this scenario
IDK why MGS fans keep going with this narrative. It falls apart when you take into account the fact that both the real and the fake Snake share the same voice actor. There is different between a character being confused, out of place and having no personality at all, that what Venom Snake is.
@@onglanh5329 The ongoing theme in MGSV is that Venom is an unreliable narrator, so makes sense with his hypnosis that he paints big boss with his voice otherwise could have been an oversight from the cut in budget and then kojima
@@nukesdabomb5704 Now you are just reaching at this point. Kojima hiring Sutherland had nothing to do with the fact there are 2 snakes, it simply because Kojima wanted his new Hollywood friend in the game. His voice had already been used in Ground zero long before the inception of Venom Snake.
I love the Skull Face car scene. It became iconic, didn't it? Snake and Skull arguing philosophy would've been stupid. Much stronger with uncomfortable silence. It was meant to be uncomfortable just like the infamous ladder 🪜 climb in MGS3
I mean, I always looked at it like this….. David Hayter = Snake Keifer Sutherland = Venom Snake (who actually ISNT Snake at all, just a dude with a facelift)….. Hence, the voice change ACTUALLY making sense with the Games Lore. 😅
7:28 Something you come to realize after revisiting Peace Walker after V is that the deceive was obvious, because Big Boss(Naked Snake) ALREADY became a full villain by the end of Peace Walker boss battle, rejecting the boss and her will and in the true ending where Big Boss openly says they will whatever job it takes for their sake of their own need for war, Like in the orginal two metal gears
Well, not that I finished the video...I will say that I don't think there isn't a "chapter 3 and chapter 4" (yes, I know there is a title card or Chapter 3, but I don't think it was meant to be for anything other than post nuclear disarmament ending). Aside from mission 51, I don't think MGSV left "many unanswered questions" or atleast questions that other games in the series didn't already answer...it was just the story of how Big Boss army of Outer Heaven was built (by his phantom in his imagine) and how it connects to the first Metal Gear on MSX. I will agree that mission 51 would have added more of "climactic" feel to the story though.
Venom is the player but he’s nothing more than the real big boss’s body double from the first metal gear game and that’s kinda cool too. Also would’ve been amazing if they finished the game tho with liquid escaping but no real finale to that
I always liked venom. Since the start. Before i knew of the twist i just saw him as a damaged near broken big boss i mean after the helicopter crash and 9 years in a coma who wouldnt be that quiet and awkward.
Always liked Kiefer as Venom/Big Boss, I find his voice perfect for Venom as we find out that he isn’t the real Big Boss, I get that people wanted David Hayter, but I feel that Kiefer is perfect for an older Snake
I love Venom. He became my favorite snake in the series right after playing TPP. And I MUCH prefer Kiefer over Hayter for Venom/Big Boss. Hayter is Solid Snake. And Venom not being a chatterbox?... I think that fits him perfectly. Hes a soldier.. under hypnosis.. with slight brain damage. Makes total sense IMO.
I think Kiefer did a great job. I like his voice acting better than Hayter’s. By MGS4 Hayter’s snake voice sounded like he was doing an exaggerated snake plissken impersonation.
I think it’s not supposed to matter how good Venom Snake is or not. This is about Big Boss becoming the villain and he is. Big Boss does to one of his soldiers what the US government did to the Boss.
I didn't mind the twist at all. Venom Snake was never my problem with MGSV. My problem with MGSV was that it just lacks much story at all. So little happens over the span of so many hours. It's such a huge departure from all the amazing dialogue and cutscenes that make up the previous entries in the saga. It had the potential to be so much better.
MGSV had more than 6 hours of cutscenes and for the first time in the saga there had been a realistic approach to espionage. It's basically the only game where you can gather intel on the field and then analyze it through actual debriefing. Man, in the other games you couldn't even properly interrogate the soldiers: they would tell you their stepmother's middle name 😂
Metal Gear Solid V has excellent graphics and top-notch gameplay, but the story cannot become a masterpiece like the previous games and stops at the word excellent.
I may seem one of the few MGSV "defenders" but I praise its originality. All the other titles have basically the same story: our hero Snake has to infiltrate an enemy fortress without questioning anything in order to destroy a new terrible weapon. Then he has to fight a pack of freaks that impersonificate emotions till he finds the weapon, which is too clunky to be actually used in combat. After its destruction Snake realizes he has been played by his team, again The only difference between these stories it's the change of settings. MGSV, on the other hand, has a unique plot which revolves around the importance of words, actual espionage and the reality of "third world" countries. All this is told by probably the best voice acting and scenography of the entire saga
One thing people forget is that big boss's survival was actually explained in MG2, form his "death" in mg1. It was dr petrovitch who saved big boss and used parts from his Snatcher Project to turn him into a cyborg in MG2 (unrelated to cybrog boss from snakes revenge). But in the rerelase before V in the english release that explanation was removed from the game. Big Boss being in a coma also contradicts the original story of how big boss met grey fox. though that gies more credence to the other retcon of grey fox in portable ops though. In a way V tried to fix a plothole of MG1 whiel now creating plotholes in MG2.
I honestly think they should have kept David as the real big boss and given kiefer the role of Venom. The other snakes are clones of the same man, while venom is a mental doppleganger in the same line as liquid and ocelot were. sure, it would be an awfully small amount of David, but i think it would have been a nice touch edit: They could have had Kiefer voice Ishmael at the start of the game and played it off with a casette tape later where BB and ocelot are talking along the lines of BB:"Wont he recognize my voice?" Ocelot:"No, since hes been undergoing hypnosis to think he's you he should still register your voice as his own for a while after waking up. a small side effect, but one thats to our advantage." I think that would be kinda on brand and a nice way to keep the illusion alive
10:01 Uh i think you are misreading things here, they aren't really being "good guys" in a play way but this game like mgs3 gives "the real facets" of what we know about big boss, they aren't heartless monsters or All powerful messiah's like other characters through the series make Big Boss be out to be. Two big examples of that: First, Miller yes wanted to give proper instruction and give tools to the kids and Venom agrees but at first in the very same cutscene Venom simply wanted to make them work for DD and Miller wasn't agaisnt that per say he simply wanted to give them tools to do something else if they wanted but he wasn't using them and as we know later in tapes, Miller's caring over kids has nothing to do with morals but past trauma. Which gives us the full picture of Big Boss' use of Child soldiers in the MSX games. Second is that tape that for me is one of the best in the game which is about the origin of the nickname Shalashaska and they talk about gulags and Venom says "Forced research? That's not different from what we do here...." then ocelot's try to dismiss that by saying they are doing out of their free will in their belief on big boss and then venom says "... if they didn't wanted, they would leave?". Which give us another facet of how big boss kidnaped scientists to make force them to work for him in the old games just so for one of them to be revealed to be on Big Boss side on zanzibar
That is honestly a great analogy, and it’s really cool how you tied the things shown in phantom pain to the actions he does in MG1 and 2 with outer Heaven and Zanzibar land. Bravo man👏 wish we kind got to see Snake go on that more extreme if we saw phantom pain be fully completed
Thank you Kindly, I make sure to give my 100% in what I got it may not give me exactly a tactical advantage but i make sure to try, thank you for the comment👏
I love this game to death, It was the first game I ever heard the name of Metal Gear and Kojima, after that I played all of the rest, still have V with 50 mods Installed .
This is a treat to wake up to! Earned my subscription. Just finished this game a few days ago, well mostly. Need to get s ranks on lots of missions. Then, time to replay it again😅
Appreciate the comment thank you✌️. Game is so addicting easily the best Stealth action game gameplay wise out there. Some days I just can’t put it down😅
What we wanted to see from the final game in the saga was to experience big boss's downfall and thus becoming the villain we see later in the saga but with the venom snake reveal it was rubbed from us and we were left with a cheap half measure which was disappointing to this day.
I still play this till this day and my only complaints is that I wish the story would have been more polished than what we got. More cutscenes. Gameplay is just perfect. Could’ve ended with your role switching to Solid Snake to go defeat Venom and crash everything you’ve built as diamond dogs and mother base. Snakes voice was good because he wasn’t Big Boss/ Solid Snake. It worked.
So funny how MGS2 and MGSV got these terrible initial reactions and then both end up being loved by the community after enough time. Kojima gives us the protagonist we need, not the one we want.
I can't even remember anyone rejecting it? It wasn't even a shock, people had worked it out as soon as they played Ground Zeros and heard Sutherland also voicing the helicopter medic. The 'Truth' mission was a bit of a let down because i had already known what the twist would be for a good while. I appreciated the sentiment of it, though.
Man, we need a special edition of MGS V with Ground Zeroes voiced by David Hayter but keep Kiefer Sutherland in The Phantom Pain and re-record lines in The Phantom Pain where Big Boss is talking by David. Just make the game even wilder and throw us in Mission 51.
After years, I keep playing it. And I do love Keifer's voice and venom's stoicism. No hate on Hayter but I never liked him as Big Boss. David snake, yes, but but not big boss.
Are you saying mgs fanboys finally stopped being clowns and kneejerk hating this game? All I ever remember anyone being able to argue was "well we were supposed to see big boss as the bad guy in this game", which is a baffling complaint to make because one, it makes me think you skipped peacewalker, and two it makes me think that when you listened to the truth tape, you thought boss really meant all the bullshit he said to venom. Fuck, even VENOM didnt believe the bullshit boss said, which is exactly why he "mysteriously" punches the mirror.
Naked Snake: Uses child soldiers, eats every animal in his way, kills every boss he faces with Venom "demon" snake: Saves children, saves animals, feels bad when killing people, was a doctor, doesn't kill the bosses
I always hated the fact that Venom Snake speaks way to little in this game, i wonder why Kojima even bother to change to Kiefer to only speak like 10 times in the entire game. Other thing i hated about this game is that they didnt bother to start introducing characters from the first 2 games, like it would have really cool to see Machine Gun Kid, Twin Shot or Fire Tropper being recluted by Venom or at least mentioned, maybe doctor Madnar as well.
The algorithm started recommending some good content! Props to you 2PhoneTyphoon. I liked your essay, even if I've never warmed to Venom. Probably due to how half-assed the bait and switch felt at the moment on the ultimate Metal Gear Solid.
Well that's the point of Phantom pain part 1 is all revenge against Skull face then part 2 is The Rise of Outer Heaven and Venom Snakes Legacy and to build his own dream and ambition which is kind of confirmed into cassette tape of the man who sold the world and reality and I can understand why people we're upset because Mr. David Hayter did not Voice Venom like he Did Solid Snake and Big Boss but Kiefer Sutherland was enjoyable as Venom Snake
Im more so of the line of thought that the main story in general needed a revamp. What this game was supposed to be was the wrap-up to MGS that answered as much as it could, so i think it would have been better had it done that instead of drifting off on a plot to stop a parasite that somehow gave us the ability to speak (i guess you can keep them, just remove the part where they somehow gave us the ability to speak. It seems wack even by mgs standards). You can keep things like quiet, but i would have preferred actual big boss. Essentially, have the game focus on how snake stops skullface, (who can still be working on his own agenda) , have him really hurt the patriots, and how he comes to be the biggest thorn in the patriots' side that eventually culminated in outer heaven.
I honestly like Kiefer as Venom. I don’t think he’s as fitting for Snake as a whole as Hayter, but he did do a great job when he did speak especially with the “From the Man Who Sold the World” cassette at the end of the game. I’d love a remake of the original Metal Gear 1 with Kiefer Venom and Hayter Solid Snake since it’s canon that Venom dies in Metal Gear 1 doing his job as Big Boss’ body double
I've always thought it was weird how nice Ocelot is in this game. I know he really admires Big Boss and all, and would have to maintain a facade of admiring Venom Snake acting as Big Boss, but I'm so used to Ocelot antagonizing the shit out of me in every other Metal Gear Solid game.
Than your for this, I played the game because I was bored and didn't realize how fuckn amazing it was. My friend and I skipped it because of all the Konami drama and it didn't look interesting. I was so wrong.
big boss had no choice but to manipulate his right hand mand V. to take his place this way if V got killed he could still lead he led all via Ocelot. Ocelot and the Boss saw great potential in working side by side.
I never got the Backlash for Venom Snake what we will play a Body double was known for at least at what point in time known since 20 years or so ever since the OG Metal gear . After it was reveald what this games is the FInal part befor the OG Metal gear starts . the people who hated this there people who never knew the full story if these had even looked it Up onlinen about the OG Metal Gear story the twist was already out
2:00 “Very realistic graphics for the time” Bruh TO THIS DAY it is one of the best looking games ever made. I also firmly believe the FOX engine is one of the best game engines of all time
I mean, from the (almost) beginning, we were given hints that Venom snake wasn't the original Big Boss. Midge Ure's cover of "The Man Who sold the World", fail screens when you throw your men off the edge in MB and how Ocelot says you may not actually be the real Big Boss or something like that. Anyway, I'm glad he's better liked now than he was
After watching this video i just got sad that mgv was the only mgs game.i played that i actually got bored of. Hated the story and didnt pick it up again unlike the previous games that i still play
I like Venom but definetly he would have benefited a lot of more use of Kiefer's voice and also being completely his own developed independent character instead trying to also make him an avatar for the player, IMO.
Why did Big Boss had exact same voice as solid snake anyway? I mean I guess the canon explanation is because solid snake is his clone. But then changing david hayter later on ruined the consistency. They should have had different voice for big boss from the beginning [aka mgs3] if they planned on having different voice for BB and kept hayter for voicing solid snake. Actually wasnt Solidus a perfect clone of BB? BB should have had Solidus' voice actor insted.
I'd like to comment on this whole "Your character is supposed to be evil thing"...if you want to portray "evil" realistically, then you need to understand that people you percieve as "evil" don't view themselves as such, but rather they perceive themselves as good guys. Even the worst of war criminals on earth like Hitler and Stalin for example, had humane sides to them and do good deeds from time to time (like how Venom is rescuing animals and helping children)....the fact he seems himself as a "demon" seems to be a manifestation of his inner guilt towards some things he had to do. When it comes to it, most "monsters" view their opposition as the monsters and vice versa...also lets not forget the fact that Venom Snake was thrown into the role of the "demon" he didn't ask for and that probably explains his mannerisms and why he "Waits for the player's input" as you put it.
Great input and I can see where your coming from, for snake too see himself as a demon and mannerisms shows hints of a Deep Run trauma from the ground zeroes incident snake couldn’t face. And it feels dissapointing because eventually venom was supposed to go back to the same Camp omega from ground zeroes to face his demon but that got scrapped as well, wonderful input✌️
@@2PhoneTyphoon Well, I actually looked into the whole "return to camp Omega" thing when the game initially came out and that turned out to be a mistranslation on the journalist's part. What Kojima meant at the time was the game's save data from GZ can influence some aspect of TTP (since you can upload it to TTP). But I do agree having camp Omega in TTP might have served as a good plot point.
I really hope we get a game where we play as Solid Snake,remakes of metal gear 1 or 2 ...or even a brand new story,set in a time between metal gear 2 and metal gear solid. We didnt get enough of Solid Snake....yeah he made a return in MGS 4 but they made him old,i would of preffered Solid Snake in MGS 2 but we got Raiden,MGS 3 Big boss,MGS 5 Venom Snake.....Gimme David bro,we want David.
Hey, great video. I remember back then, when it was announced that Hayter would not be returning as Big Boss. The fandom was split and I was on the pro-Hayter side and boycotted V. Since then, I’ve watched playthru’s of V online, but have never played it myself. I understand people’s fondness for Venom and Diamond Dogs, but I still reject it. The series was finished with Peace Walker. Big Boss was already a villain at the end of that game (nukes, child soldiers, etc) and it even ended with “to be continued in Outer Heaven”. Also, the body double thing doesn’t make sense and instead of fixing a plot hole, actually really cheapens a good twist, that being Big Boss survives his first battle with Solid Snake and returns in mg2. The “mentor is really the villain” trope has been done in a handful of movies (Broken Arrow, Mission Impossible, Goldeneye) and it’s always really compelling to see the hero use what the villain has taught him and get the upper hand. The V twist ruins this in mg1 by saying, “well that Big Boss was this other guy”. It was a much better story when it was all one guy.
INITAL THOUGHT: (Before watching the video completely) My thoughts, and “dislike” of the Venom Snake (don’t get me wrong though I like him just fine cos I kinda saw the twist coming a literal mile away and wasn’t invested in believing I was BB) but through it all- from MGS3 to MGSPW, BB’s journey to the darkside was looking pretty good (not like “good” but I guess, justifiable?) they were painting up a picture of how much BB went through in order to save the world, just to keep getting betrayed and it was looking like he was actually going to be a sympathetic villain, I wanted to see what would finally push his hand… pulling that trigger on nuclear Armageddon. When MGS:GZ dropped I played it immediately. I needed to know… turns out it was a 10 minute demo. I was pissed. The betrayal. Also- the destruction of mother base and what they did to Paz, despite her role in PW I’m like nah, she didn’t deserve all THAT. I’d probably have gone into Vengeance mode at that point. Instead, though… we get to play as Medic. A blank canvas who doesn’t have Boss’ motives. It felt like, we weren’t getting to see the most important part of BB’s journey. We were seeing the induction of Medic, who- for all we know- was merely that. A medic. No sins. No betrayal by the CIA, FOX, The Pentagon… never had to kill his mentor in a field of Bethlehem Star flowers. It’s like he’s just an innocent bystander trying to save lives one minute, and pulled into this LaLiLuLeLo bullshit the next. And he’s not the one that is making any of the decisions either. He’s just given a role to play on an oil rig for a PMC while others yell over comms about who to kill/abduct/rescue. That’s not BBs journey. Maybe BB already reached the final straw when they blew up Paz and attacked Mother Base. But it felt “incomplete” Then we had to play through an incomplete feeling game as someone who wasn’t even the target of all these Cypher attacks. And he’s just meant to fill the role of BB without ever having to endure it. It felt so… false? Like someone pretending to be a veteran and faking how they lost a leg in Afghanistan. Except he’s been implanted with memories that he was there. Medic is the victim, it’s worse than a sympathetic villain, he didn’t even know why he was doing half the stuff. At least if it was BB it would be like he KNOWS why he’s pulling the trigger. But medic only thinks he knows because of what he’s been implanted with and everything everyone else has told him is his “mission” The Boss laid down her life pretending to be the bad guy without needing to be hypnotized, she just followed her duty. She knew everything she’d sacrificed, everyone she’d loved, raised, lost… and any future plans she had would have to be abandoned. This was the mission. To die so that War wouldn’t break out. Venom was just a tool. He was basically told to do all that so he could be the “Big Bad” so that Outer Heaven would have a figurehead. He wasn’t the one I wanted to see… I wanted to learn about Saladin, not Ahab. Not Ishmael. I wanted to sympathize with him about what kinda world he sought to create while the rest of the world continued to spin all these stories of how “big boss was the ultimate soldier” and “ big boss was the ultimate evil” while still going, Browns, rescuing war orphans, and things
FINAL THOUGHT: I think that this video somehow said the same things as I went into it thinking… there were a lot of things I found myself thinking “that’s exactly how I felt” But I wanted to get all my thoughts down in advance in the event this was the case- so I could put my “uninfluenced thoughts” down ahead of time to see if the video would change my mind. Altogether the video did a great job summing up my relationship with Venom, and I wasn’t upset about the voice change. It was jarring how un-snake-like he sounded… but to me it made sense. If you have Snake voicing Snavid AND his Dad, why not just have Hayter voice Liquid and Solidus? You wouldn’t… because they’re different people! I felt like they should have just had a different VA for MGS3 from the offset, but that game also had a bait and switch, two in fact. Every MGS has had a bait and switch… you want to play as Snake? Ok, for a while… oops now you’re this Barbie Doll Boy named Raiden. You want to play as Raiden? Ok but JK ITS Snavid in a mask! Oh you were ok with that? DOUBLE BLUFF he has his eye shot out! It was really Big Boss! You wanna play as BB? Ok, this is BB… JK it’s Snavid again, and he’s old! They can’t do that “bait and switch” if the VA is someone else from the get go, the fans know something is up. The end of MGS 4 where BB appears in the Graveyard, the surprise is performed flawlessly. But that VA had to be someone else… they can’t BOTH be voiced by Hayter. In an ideal “timeline” you would play Snake Eater right after MGS4 Like BB’s first mission and life flashing before his eyes, like if you watched Star Wars Episode 2 and 3 right after that “I *am* your father” part… the reveal showing the previous entries like a flashback. In that order you can have a New VA be introduced to voice “Jack” as he becomes “naked snake” and wiggles his way through the jungle of Tselinoyarsk. But Kojima likes to try and fan-bait by making us think that the “snake” we’re playing as is the one that we WANT to play as just before he pulls the curtain back. Every metal gear solid has done this from the minute we see a glimpse of a trailer. I kinda wish that Jack was voiced by the same person, or maybe son of the person who voices him in MGS4… it’s easy to age up your voice, but sounding younger than you are is hard (especially if you’re already ancient) they could have handled the transition better. Cos imagine the intrude N313 remake with Solid Snake facing down BB and both Big Boss on the Comms and the one you fight, AND Snavid all sound the bloody same. Who’s talking rn? Idk… hope their heads aren’t pixelated polygons nodding with no lip sync. Hayter can’t voice EVERYONE, he’s not Decoy Octopus.
Kaz 3:16 For Big Boss so loved the world, that he gave his three begotten Sons, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but be Fultoned to Outer Heaven.
When you can't Even SAY,🎶
MY NAME🎶
Note: a few people have been calling me out on this and honestly that’s fair. In this video I mispronounced raiden’s name, and said Ray-Den and not Rai-Den. I’ve played MGS2 and Rising and the truth is… i have just been playing a lot of mortal Kombat. Kinda been binging through 9- MK1 for their stories so How they say Raiden was kinda burned into my mind at the time I made my video my fault😅
Ricardo
There, I said it.
fans did nothing MGSV is just an unfinished game that kojima says finished because he wanted more budget to make the game, it was supposed to be bigger than peace walker, you can't tell me it's a finished game because the day 1 versions of the game has mission 51 but %30 complete, we love venom snake but there is kinda no lore about venom snake and big boss between peace walker and mg1
I've grown to really hate that song. It's in every single MGSV video now and is super overused.
I've gotten used to the fact that many fans do this, but I still swear by Ry-den. And on that matter, Ty-dus not Tee-dus (FFX)
If you pronounce it Ray-den it means you never played the games. Periodt.
They rejected punished snake because they couldn't accept the reality that Big Boss played even them.
I would say zero played everyone
Zero played himself and Skullface finished him off. Big Boss, on the other hand, "sold his comrades all over the world" (MGSV mission 22 reference) in order to return with the CIA. Giving up the renegade mercs and sandinistas he could establish the special unit of FoxHound at Langley in the strictly following years. And last but not least, he cheated death with the creation of doppelgangers and identical clones. For example there is no in-game confermation that Zanzibar's Big Boss is MSF's Vic Boss
@@sergioriggio1769 Well zero allowed big boss cheat death for example he created venom snake for that specific reason. Zero also created the clones too. If zero didn’t create big boss clones or his doppelgänger then he would not be able to cheat death. Zero is underrated i believe and he is literally the mastermind of metal gear. He may have played himself but he allowed death to never touch big boss. I agree with you but zero isn’t dumb as you think he is.
I know, Zero isn't dumb but he is the only one who did not seek to directly handle power. The billions his agents used and the English codes they built had the final goal to ensure the total supremacy of America over any country. He was indeed different from all the other Cipher's biggest operatives. Because they all tried to invest into a system where their role would have been essential. On the other hand Zero created an uncontrallable and self-sustaining system, which did not have any need of him. Doing so he put himself in an enormous danger but probably it did not really matter to him
@@sergioriggio1769 I agree
It's not the boss we wanted but the boss we needed.
The Boss we deserved
my only complaint is we didnt get enough of kifer's voice
my only complaint is we got kiefers voice instead of david hayter
@jarlnooch1882 in the context of voicing venom, I can live with that decision, in fact i like his voice and hes a talented actor. If the game was about boss or snake, then without a doubt, hayter.
@@xXstevieOoTrue and I agree
@@jarlnooch1882Umm okay but Kiefer is great at acting like snake.
@@jarlnooch1882Hayter’s the GOAT sadly got done dirty by Kojima, and I defo wish he was in the game as Snake but I cannot lie he would not have delivered that “From the Man Who Sold the World” speech as well as Kiefer did
I never realized till now but you’re right all the demon talk just to save cute animals, and children.
Haha Don't get me wrong I didn't mind taking care of Animals it gave us D-Dog but man was I confused🤣
@@2PhoneTyphoonI mean that’s kind of the point of venom’s character. He’s a good person that’s being forced to play the role of a war criminal.
@@ShittyrapperThankfully someone understands.
i got a Mod where he Magdumps the Kids and then evacs same with Elis group where i only had to Kidnap Eli
@@Shittyrapper And he isnt even a War Criminal cause most of the things he does are all within law there is a Video that explains this better called The Crimes of Big Boss
Nah, at this point I'm with Kaz on this one. Fuck the real Big Boss.
“Big Boss can go to Hell. I’ll make the Phantom and his sons stronger, To send him there.”
Kind of missed the point in Big Boss actions tho
Kaz hid the truth from Snake in PW, justified or not, Snake couldn’t trust Miller at this point…
@@renichw4163 THEY PLAYED US LIKE A DAMN FIDDLE!!!!! GIVE IT BACK!
@@2PhoneTyphoonCan't explain why but that line went hard
My only issue was that i thought part of the big reveal with Kiefer would be that once you saw the real big boss he would sound like David Hayter. And you would be like AAAUUHHHHHGGGH!!!
but it wasn't like that.
If hayter did the man who sold the world tape speech it would sound terrible
I prefer Keifer's voice for both roles.
Its a decade into the future after peace walker, makes sense boss's voice would be gruffer. If ishmael had hayters voice in the hospital the ruse would be up imediately.
Kiefer is a good transition between Hayter's younger voice, and the old big boss at the end of MGS4.
@@chromicm6686 dude when you put it that way... The fact that the ruse had to endure to make the encounter misleading and believable to the player... It makes sense to think that big boss left nothing to chance and even went as far as teaching himself to sound just like his buddy in order to sell the whole ordeal. Blew my mind.
That would have made it work a little bettee. But still wouldnt make the story good.
@chromicm6686 surely the ruse was up anyway? I can't imagine many people didn't see it coming as soon as they heard two characters with the same voice.
I loved Venom from the start. He is the best of the Snakes. He gives the most, is the toughest, and you gotta love a guy that rescues animals from the battlefield.
That's why I don't like him. He's better than Big Boss. So the whole "worlds greatest soldier" is just retconned to not being true.
Venom is the world's greatest soldier.
@@handgun559 Well first off, when solid killed him it hardly "retconned" the "worlds greatest soldier", and second, how would you even know? after the hospital they never see each other again.
@@daniel8181 I don't fully understand what you meant, so I'll just iterate on my thought:
Half of the actions that the world attributed to Big Boss were never done by him. They were done by Venom.
That fact didn't exist until MGS5, and I dare say, a piece of information being changed that late in the game DOES qualify as a retcon.
@@handgun559 Why are you assuming that the credit for "the greatest soldier ever" is only contained within MGSV? He became a legend as naked, when he killed big boss, peacewalker and GZ were both boss, and basically nothing venom did made an impact outside of the diamond dog's bubble. Remember, total nuclear disarmament isnt canon, MG2 claimed (the real) boss was the only one with nukes, but MGS retconned that and stuck by its story for the rest of the series.
Venom's only globally impactful actions were the defeat of sally and skullface, which never got a chance to be a problem outside afghanistan and africa, so nobody could possibly care.
Hell, skullface dies thinking he got his shot at boss, but boss ends the game without every having a clue who the fuck he is.
@daniel8181 you're completely missing my point to a degree where I think you're being intentionally obtuse...
Half of all his achievements don't belong to him. THATS what I mean by "not the world's greatest soldier" anymore. Half of all the things that people attribute to being done by him, aren't. As in literally, cut his time he was alive in MG1 in half, and half of that is Big Boss, half of it is Venom. Cutting an amount of time in half wasn't supposed to be a puzzle.
Please just understand. It's not that complicated.
Been a Venom Fan since release
I can respect other fan’s love for Hayter (and I do really like him in MGS1) but the way Snake is presented in GZ and TPP through the physical performance and directing/camara work, making him more stoic connected with me. And Kiefer’s more natural voice fits with the whole tone of MGSV
And you are right, Diamond Dogs are so nice! lol…. I feel the narrative is, that whenever VS or DD as a whole had to make tough choices, or actually did something questionable; not the people on the inside, but those looking from the outside (or the ones rejected like Huey) created “dark legends” of this “villain” organization…
Besides… during and after TPP, it’s the Patriots and it’s AI that would be controlling information around the world, so they too could be the ones painting BB and DD as villains…
That I can agree with, Kiefer fits whatever Kojima was envisioning for metal gear with his more stoic tone
Oh and I totally agree with you there on others labelling the diamond dogs that way, like Kaz said when Huey was exiled “In no time he’ll be talking about the Black-Hearted Diamond Dogs. The Shining white Knight. Blabbering on about our Injustice, Hiding behind his fools idea of Morality… And all the other fools will stand around, nodding at every word he says.”
Thank you for the comment✌️
You can hear soldiers in Africa talk about Diamond Dogs, how they think they are a bunch of creepy nutjobs who kidnap soldiers (fultoning), who randomly go on rampages and destroy things for no apparent reason (like the destruction of the oil field or the Ngumba Industrial Zone) and how they basically agreed to avoid attacking DD operatives due to how they have access to extremely advanced tech.
with v at first i was like nah but after 8 years i'm like yeeeeeeeeah
It took some time, but V turned out to be a game that ended up aging quite nicely as time went on, appreciate your comment✌️
Same
@@2PhoneTyphoon MGSV to me is just like MGS2, a great game that people misunderstood when it first cameout and now more and more people grow to appreciate it.
Chapter 2 in particular is one of the most misunderstood aspects of the game that people write off as "unfinished"; even though Hideo Kojima himself explain in the official guide book that killing off Skull Face at the end of Chapter 1 was meant to leave the player with a "lasting phantom pain after your target of vengeance is gone" for the duration of chapter 2...I think the repeated missions in chapter 2 also mean to represent the the cycle of vengeance...as the game puts it at the start "Just another day in a war with no end".
@@Miyakolover I think that’s a really great way to put it. MGSV and MGS2 are wonderful games. That initially got heat for doing things a lot different, bravo to you👏
I'm playing MGS V again after few years off, I still love the gameplay, but I didn't changed my mind about the story, who remains the worst of the canon MGS games. Skull Face is the most boring antagonist. I didn't care about him, so I didn't feel anything when he died and as he died in the middle of the fame, it was really anticlimatic, the game continues as nothing important happened.
The revelation that we played a fake BB is stupid. What is even the point of cloning BB if you can turn a random dude into BB ?
Quiet is the only interesting character in the entire cast. Huey is useless, Miller and Ocelot don't bring anything to the game... I really enjoyed the Paz storyline, but it is wasted as it's not BB experiencing the trauma of losing Paz but Venom. That makes no sense, why would Venom feels this way about Paz anyway ?
Dude the voice actor for Kaz - Robin Atkin Downes doesn't get enough credit. He is giving 110% every time
He absolutely kills it.
Best scene in the game was, His reaction to the Huey Trial. It’s the scene that left the biggest impact on me for Kaz
Punished Venom Snake having a different voice makes sense though because Venom is not a clone he's a different person just a double cat you know what I mean lol
But in grounds zero the real big boss has a different voice
@@nathanthomason3532 That's the point tho it's so they could execute the story. the medic has the same voice as big boss just pitched down. If they had the of VA it would have been easy af to see who's the real big boss
@@nathanthomason3532 good point actually
I wouldn't mind if the role was revealed during the intro. It was like keeping the world's biggest lie and the responsibility of it. Kinda how the boss did with naked snake. Would be cool if we got a glimpse of what the real big boss was doing behind the scenes too
I could see that kind of working in a way. with both Venom and Naked Snake working on their respective halves (Outer heaven and Zanzibar Land) together. not too bad honestly thank you for the comment✌️
its funny how i grew to like VSnake. I remember thinking, "Big Boss is different, not talking much', after i learned about it, i respected VSnake and at the end if I have to choose one, him or Big Boss, It'll be VSnake!
He had to put 'his' face out there and face all the things that Big Boss couldn't or wouldn't and he exceled at all, just for Big Boss get all the glory, not fair at all.
Konami made a huge mistake by not letting Kojima finish the game. Okay he was out of budget and missed the deadlines but you only have to take a look at the success of the previous titles. Let the man cook . It is more likely he makes something great than not .
No 🗣️
kojima said its finished
And that’s how Metal Gear went down. Not with a bang, but a whimper. Kojima, instead of giving us the truth, decided to “create context” - convenient narration that the masses - us - unquestionably embraced as our own.
David Hayter became a symbol which was just as exploited as the guy he voiced.
@JG.ver1 bro r u insane?
@@lodziklocPLThis is what I hate. That whatever inconsistency he gives even through writing, fans will accept it literally calling him a god
13:13 what's really ironic is that venom is basically Raiden of mgsv, fans hated you couldn't play as snake in mgs2 and then when 5 came out it became everyone's favorite games even though Venom is not snake.
My headcanon for what was meant to happen after chapter 2 is this:
Chapter 3 - Fall (or something better, whatever)
Chapter 2 ends with the big battle between Diamond Dogs and Eli's kingdom of the flies. Diamond Dogs wins, and the island is bombarded by Diamond Dogs to not leave a trace of what happened, making Venom think he allowed Eli to die. The children got recaptured by Diamond Dogs, and are given more military roles around the base to satiate their bloodlust. Things such as the second vocal cord outbreak and Quiet leaving still happen, putting a heavy toll on Venom's mind, but he moves on, with Diamond Dogs getting hired to do more jobs. The jobs become darker and more gruesome, such as recruiting child soldiers into his army, or having to silence people and maybe even former Diamond Dogs soldiers (such as how you're sometimes tasked in FOB events to take down former members who made their own PFs). You're given choices to be a good person, or to go further into being a demon. Most of the times though, you'll be forced to be a demon (maybe having to kill a child or two here and there). The Paz story line also still happens, but is more integrated into the story (such as when on a mission you'll see faint sightings of her, and eventually you run into her, and extract her back to Mother Base). The visions of Paz further develop, and eventually the truth is revealed she died long ago. This breaks Venom mentally, and Outer Heaven becomes more and more ruthless. Somewhere down the line this makes Miller leave Diamond Dogs and wreck parts of Mother Base, prompting it to be seen as unfit for a proper home to Diamond Dogs. Luckily, there have been signs of instability in South Africa, and you're sent on a couple of missions to destabilize the region, allowing for the takeover of Fortress Outer Heaven in a big final battle, and Outer Heaven being created as a nation, with Venom also approving the beginning of a new weapon: Metal Gear TX-55. The game "ends" here, and the player is now free to do what they want. However, once they reach 100% completion, a final mission is unlocked: Truth: The Man Who Sold The World. It shows a much older Venom, around the year 1995. There is trouble in Outer Heaven, with resistance fighters recently increasing, and foreign nations taking a bigger notice into the things going on inside Outer Heaven, mainly the construction of TX-55. Recently a spy had been captured from FOXHOUND, someone known as Gray Fox. Venom is hit while fighting against resistance fighters, and is temporarily able to see his true self in a reflection. He goes back to his quarters, looks in the mirror, and just like the truth ending, sees himself. He plays the tape in which the real Big Boss reveals the truth, and the cutscene plays out as it did like in MGSV. It then cuts to alarms going off all around Outer Heaven, with the self-destruct sequence having been activated after Solid Snake destroy Metal Gear TX-55. Venom and Solid meet, and a battle ensues. The player can fight as hard as they want, but no matter what they do, they cannot kill Solid Snake. Eventually once they die, Solid manages to flee Outer Heaven, and Venom receives a transmission from his iDroid. Big Boss tells him he did a great job, and will be remembered by him as a hero. The rest of the world will never have known of his existence, yet Venom is glad to have served under Big Boss. Big Boss tells him he no longer has to bear the title of Big Boss, and bids him farewell. Venom dies as Outer Heaven erupts, with "Here's To You" playing in the background.
There's a youtuber named Jeremy Jahns that reviewed the game that first came out and he had an interesting perspective that I think could shed light on how Venom Snake fits into the story as well as the legend of Big Boss. He said: the future always echoes the past. Which fits thematically with the heroes a lot of the main characters of the story. The Boss was vilified for becoming the unsung hero during Operation Snake Eater, Big Boss was vilified by the world super powers because he gave soldiers a home and a nation meant for them, Solid Snake was vilified as an ecological terrorist for sinking the tanker which he was falsely blamed for just like the Boss was used as the scapegoat for the destruction of the research facility causing an international incident. There's also an argument to be made that both Solidus and Liquid Ocelot also fall into these patterns a bit because of what there true intentions are. In Solidus case he wanted to eliminate the Patriots which Solid Snake ended up doing anyway. Ocelot was basically forced to become a villain and take down the patriots because of his longstanding grudge against Zero for betraying Big Boss. When you think about it he was just siding with whoever was going against the Patriots and their A.I. Which is why he killed DARPA Chief Donald Anderson, why he probably killed Miller in MGS1 (MGSV lets us know why they're enemies), and why he wasn't mad at Snake for destroying the Patriots A.I. in MGS4.
i got this recommended to me and thought this was a vid from any popular creator due to the editing and style, until i saw the views and subs. really well done man keep it up.
Thank you I appreciate the kind words, always trying to Put out well made content and continue to improve wherever I can✌️
Unpopular opinion: MGS V is my favourite out of all, the gameplay is too good and so well made. I keep going back to it over and over.
Not too unpopular anymore, easily the most addicting Gameplay of the franchise And overall very wrll developed in gameplay loop✌️
Honestly it’s the one I come back to the most. As a straight up video game it is absolutely the best of the series.
It’s my favorite and its game play is by far the best. The controls are tight, it’s just fun to play. The controls were kinda shitty on some of the first MGS games
MGS story is more important the gameplay @fleezelight
Alot of misinterpretation happens around Venoms dialogue. Heres how I saw it, Kojima threw as many subtle or obvious clues in the game that only careful fans would notice, reveals the plot as the story goes on. (Example: the AI pod saying "Snake, is that you? It cant be?"
The different voice actor makes sense with venom not being the same person as big boss (therefore not the same voice actor), this was disguised under the fans annoyance at the voice actor change which was perfect to hide this detail.
The lack of dialogue makes sense, Venom is new in the role and isnt quite sure how he should act or respond to most things (because he has little experience in the role). A hint is when he travels back to motherbase with Kaz he says "Kaz, tell me what to do, like you used to do".
Venom performed exactly as anyone put in that position should have felt, confused, new and unconfident. Ocelot and Miller were there as guidance, thats why they do most of the narration. That's exactly how I would feel if I was in this scenario
IDK why MGS fans keep going with this narrative. It falls apart when you take into account the fact that both the real and the fake Snake share the same voice actor.
There is different between a character being confused, out of place and having no personality at all, that what Venom Snake is.
@@onglanh5329 The ongoing theme in MGSV is that Venom is an unreliable narrator, so makes sense with his hypnosis that he paints big boss with his voice otherwise could have been an oversight from the cut in budget and then kojima
@@nukesdabomb5704 Now you are just reaching at this point. Kojima hiring Sutherland had nothing to do with the fact there are 2 snakes, it simply because Kojima wanted his new Hollywood friend in the game. His voice had already been used in Ground zero long before the inception of Venom Snake.
I love the Skull Face car scene.
It became iconic, didn't it? Snake and Skull arguing philosophy would've been stupid. Much stronger with uncomfortable silence. It was meant to be uncomfortable just like the infamous ladder 🪜 climb in MGS3
Wish David Hayter voiced that tape reveal
Would of been honestly bad ass as hell if it was him
I mean, I always looked at it like this…..
David Hayter = Snake
Keifer Sutherland = Venom Snake (who actually ISNT Snake at all, just a dude with a facelift)…..
Hence, the voice change ACTUALLY making sense with the Games Lore. 😅
Venom isn’t some dude though he is literally big bosses best man.
Hence why he is able to pull of insane feats and skills comparable to big boss.
@@cantsuggestareasonablename9101you know what he meant …
@@trantorthetroll8768 Yes I do but venom isn’t “just some dude with a facelift” though.
@@cantsuggestareasonablename9101 , 😢😢😢
7:28 Something you come to realize after revisiting Peace Walker after V is that the deceive was obvious, because Big Boss(Naked Snake) ALREADY became a full villain by the end of Peace Walker boss battle, rejecting the boss and her will and in the true ending where Big Boss openly says they will whatever job it takes for their sake of their own need for war, Like in the orginal two metal gears
Well, not that I finished the video...I will say that I don't think there isn't a "chapter 3 and chapter 4" (yes, I know there is a title card or Chapter 3, but I don't think it was meant to be for anything other than post nuclear disarmament ending).
Aside from mission 51, I don't think MGSV left "many unanswered questions" or atleast questions that other games in the series didn't already answer...it was just the story of how Big Boss army of Outer Heaven was built (by his phantom in his imagine) and how it connects to the first Metal Gear on MSX.
I will agree that mission 51 would have added more of "climactic" feel to the story though.
Venom is the player but he’s nothing more than the real big boss’s body double from the first metal gear game and that’s kinda cool too. Also would’ve been amazing if they finished the game tho with liquid escaping but no real finale to that
Maybe we'll get a Fox engine reboot like MGS delta with a story and finishing the game
MGSV is on the Fox engine
I always liked venom. Since the start. Before i knew of the twist i just saw him as a damaged near broken big boss i mean after the helicopter crash and 9 years in a coma who wouldnt be that quiet and awkward.
Always liked Kiefer as Venom/Big Boss, I find his voice perfect for Venom as we find out that he isn’t the real Big Boss, I get that people wanted David Hayter, but I feel that Kiefer is perfect for an older Snake
We need hardcore modders to finish the game for us
I love Venom. He became my favorite snake in the series right after playing TPP. And I MUCH prefer Kiefer over Hayter for Venom/Big Boss. Hayter is Solid Snake. And Venom not being a chatterbox?... I think that fits him perfectly. Hes a soldier.. under hypnosis.. with slight brain damage. Makes total sense IMO.
I liked Kiefer as BB. Was hoping to get to see him act with Hayter as SS eventually but I guess not
I think Kiefer did a great job. I like his voice acting better than Hayter’s. By MGS4 Hayter’s snake voice sounded like he was doing an exaggerated snake plissken impersonation.
@illegalonsunday6838 absolutely moronic to get rid of the voice of snake.
I think it’s not supposed to matter how good Venom Snake is or not. This is about Big Boss becoming the villain and he is. Big Boss does to one of his soldiers what the US government did to the Boss.
I didn't mind the twist at all. Venom Snake was never my problem with MGSV. My problem with MGSV was that it just lacks much story at all. So little happens over the span of so many hours. It's such a huge departure from all the amazing dialogue and cutscenes that make up the previous entries in the saga. It had the potential to be so much better.
The opposite was said and criticized about MGS4
@@metalmanny666 Not by fans who has followed this series since the start. But there is also a huge middle road between the two.
MGSV had more than 6 hours of cutscenes and for the first time in the saga there had been a realistic approach to espionage. It's basically the only game where you can gather intel on the field and then analyze it through actual debriefing. Man, in the other games you couldn't even properly interrogate the soldiers: they would tell you their stepmother's middle name 😂
Metal Gear Solid V has excellent graphics and top-notch gameplay, but the story cannot become a masterpiece like the previous games and stops at the word excellent.
I may seem one of the few MGSV "defenders" but I praise its originality.
All the other titles have basically the same story: our hero Snake has to infiltrate an enemy fortress without questioning anything in order to destroy a new terrible weapon. Then he has to fight a pack of freaks that impersonificate emotions till he finds the weapon, which is too clunky to be actually used in combat. After its destruction Snake realizes he has been played by his team, again
The only difference between these stories it's the change of settings. MGSV, on the other hand, has a unique plot which revolves around the importance of words, actual espionage and the reality of "third world" countries. All this is told by probably the best voice acting and scenography of the entire saga
One thing people forget is that big boss's survival was actually explained in MG2, form his "death" in mg1. It was dr petrovitch who saved big boss and used parts from his Snatcher Project to turn him into a cyborg in MG2 (unrelated to cybrog boss from snakes revenge). But in the rerelase before V in the english release that explanation was removed from the game. Big Boss being in a coma also contradicts the original story of how big boss met grey fox. though that gies more credence to the other retcon of grey fox in portable ops though. In a way V tried to fix a plothole of MG1 whiel now creating plotholes in MG2.
Venom being a new fan favourite feels really good for those who liked him since the beginning.
I honestly think they should have kept David as the real big boss and given kiefer the role of Venom. The other snakes are clones of the same man, while venom is a mental doppleganger in the same line as liquid and ocelot were.
sure, it would be an awfully small amount of David, but i think it would have been a nice touch
edit: They could have had Kiefer voice Ishmael at the start of the game and played it off with a casette tape later where BB and ocelot are talking along the lines of
BB:"Wont he recognize my voice?"
Ocelot:"No, since hes been undergoing hypnosis to think he's you he should still register your voice as his own for a while after waking up. a small side effect, but one thats to our advantage."
I think that would be kinda on brand and a nice way to keep the illusion alive
10:01 Uh i think you are misreading things here, they aren't really being "good guys" in a play way but this game like mgs3 gives "the real facets" of what we know about big boss, they aren't heartless monsters or All powerful messiah's like other characters through the series make Big Boss be out to be.
Two big examples of that: First, Miller yes wanted to give proper instruction and give tools to the kids and Venom agrees but at first in the very same cutscene Venom simply wanted to make them work for DD and Miller wasn't agaisnt that per say he simply wanted to give them tools to do something else if they wanted but he wasn't using them and as we know later in tapes, Miller's caring over kids has nothing to do with morals but past trauma. Which gives us the full picture of Big Boss' use of Child soldiers in the MSX games.
Second is that tape that for me is one of the best in the game which is about the origin of the nickname Shalashaska and they talk about gulags and Venom says "Forced research? That's not different from what we do here...." then ocelot's try to dismiss that by saying they are doing out of their free will in their belief on big boss and then venom says "... if they didn't wanted, they would leave?". Which give us another facet of how big boss kidnaped scientists to make force them to work for him in the old games just so for one of them to be revealed to be on Big Boss side on zanzibar
That is honestly a great analogy, and it’s really cool how you tied the things shown in phantom pain to the actions he does in MG1 and 2 with outer Heaven and Zanzibar land. Bravo man👏 wish we kind got to see Snake go on that more extreme if we saw phantom pain be fully completed
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Thank you Kindly, I make sure to give my 100% in what I got it may not give me exactly a tactical advantage but i make sure to try, thank you for the comment👏
I love this game to death, It was the first game I ever heard the name of Metal Gear and Kojima, after that I played all of the rest, still have V with 50 mods Installed .
This is a treat to wake up to! Earned my subscription. Just finished this game a few days ago, well mostly. Need to get s ranks on lots of missions. Then, time to replay it again😅
Appreciate the comment thank you✌️. Game is so addicting easily the best Stealth action game gameplay wise out there. Some days I just can’t put it down😅
I interpret the ending as a messageof Kojima telling "everyone can be Big Boss...incuding you the player"
What we wanted to see from the final game in the saga was to experience big boss's downfall and thus becoming the villain we see later in the saga but with the venom snake reveal it was rubbed from us and we were left with a cheap half measure which was disappointing to this day.
Sounds like you have a phantom pain. Need a box of tissues?
Also I have to add for any long time fan the “plot twist” or “truth” was so obvious it was annoying how dragged out it was.
I still play this till this day and my only complaints is that I wish the story would have been more polished than what we got. More cutscenes. Gameplay is just perfect.
Could’ve ended with your role switching to Solid Snake to go defeat Venom and crash everything you’ve built as diamond dogs and mother base.
Snakes voice was good because he wasn’t Big Boss/ Solid Snake. It worked.
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@@solidsnakemgs7 thanks Glad you liked both the MGS and Tekken videos. The support is always appreciated ✌️
So funny how MGS2 and MGSV got these terrible initial reactions and then both end up being loved by the community after enough time. Kojima gives us the protagonist we need, not the one we want.
Please do keep up with these videos, you have great potential.
MGSV has the greatest gameplaynof any game I have played
I still wish David Hayter did Big Boss in Mission 46
I can't even remember anyone rejecting it? It wasn't even a shock, people had worked it out as soon as they played Ground Zeros and heard Sutherland also voicing the helicopter medic.
The 'Truth' mission was a bit of a let down because i had already known what the twist would be for a good while. I appreciated the sentiment of it, though.
Honestly great game played all of the metal gears and I honestly like venom more then big boss
With time Venom has definitely earned his spot in the franchise as A favourite, thanks for the comment appreciate it👏
I just can't help but love V, he's a really tragic character. And even after being brainwashed you can see the medic in some of the decisions he made
Man, we need a special edition of MGS V with Ground Zeroes voiced by David Hayter but keep Kiefer Sutherland in The Phantom Pain and re-record lines in The Phantom Pain where Big Boss is talking by David. Just make the game even wilder and throw us in Mission 51.
After years, I keep playing it. And I do love Keifer's voice and venom's stoicism.
No hate on Hayter but I never liked him as Big Boss. David snake, yes, but but not big boss.
Are you saying mgs fanboys finally stopped being clowns and kneejerk hating this game?
All I ever remember anyone being able to argue was "well we were supposed to see big boss as the bad guy in this game", which is a baffling complaint to make because one, it makes me think you skipped peacewalker, and two it makes me think that when you listened to the truth tape, you thought boss really meant all the bullshit he said to venom.
Fuck, even VENOM didnt believe the bullshit boss said, which is exactly why he "mysteriously" punches the mirror.
Naked Snake: Uses child soldiers, eats every animal in his way, kills every boss he faces with
Venom "demon" snake: Saves children, saves animals, feels bad when killing people, was a doctor, doesn't kill the bosses
I always hated the fact that Venom Snake speaks way to little in this game, i wonder why Kojima even bother to change to Kiefer to only speak like 10 times in the entire game.
Other thing i hated about this game is that they didnt bother to start introducing characters from the first 2 games, like it would have really cool to see Machine Gun Kid, Twin Shot or Fire Tropper being recluted by Venom or at least mentioned, maybe doctor Madnar as well.
They were all rescued child soldiers raised by DD / Outer Heaven
@@yumetutos same with sniper wolf; there's a lot of missed potential on this regard
0:16 You didn’t even mention Solidus Snake
yeah, he's the most forgotten one
The algorithm started recommending some good content! Props to you 2PhoneTyphoon. I liked your essay, even if I've never warmed to Venom. Probably due to how half-assed the bait and switch felt at the moment on the ultimate Metal Gear Solid.
Appreciate the support 🫡 that's alright venom snake is character that you either love or hate how you see him is totally up to you
Well that's the point of Phantom pain part 1 is all revenge against Skull face then part 2 is The Rise of Outer Heaven and Venom Snakes Legacy and to build his own dream and ambition which is kind of confirmed into cassette tape of the man who sold the world and reality and I can understand why people we're upset because Mr. David Hayter did not Voice Venom like he Did Solid Snake and Big Boss but Kiefer Sutherland was enjoyable as Venom Snake
Im more so of the line of thought that the main story in general needed a revamp. What this game was supposed to be was the wrap-up to MGS that answered as much as it could, so i think it would have been better had it done that instead of drifting off on a plot to stop a parasite that somehow gave us the ability to speak (i guess you can keep them, just remove the part where they somehow gave us the ability to speak. It seems wack even by mgs standards). You can keep things like quiet, but i would have preferred actual big boss.
Essentially, have the game focus on how snake stops skullface, (who can still be working on his own agenda) , have him really hurt the patriots, and how he comes to be the biggest thorn in the patriots' side that eventually culminated in outer heaven.
I honestly like Kiefer as Venom. I don’t think he’s as fitting for Snake as a whole as Hayter, but he did do a great job when he did speak especially with the “From the Man Who Sold the World” cassette at the end of the game. I’d love a remake of the original Metal Gear 1 with Kiefer Venom and Hayter Solid Snake since it’s canon that Venom dies in Metal Gear 1 doing his job as Big Boss’ body double
I've always thought it was weird how nice Ocelot is in this game. I know he really admires Big Boss and all, and would have to maintain a facade of admiring Venom Snake acting as Big Boss, but I'm so used to Ocelot antagonizing the shit out of me in every other Metal Gear Solid game.
Than your for this, I played the game because I was bored and didn't realize how fuckn amazing it was. My friend and I skipped it because of all the Konami drama and it didn't look interesting. I was so wrong.
Thanks for commenting👏 glad you got into the game easily one of my favourite Stealth action games gameplay wise even if the story is a little messy😅
Isn't naked snake and big boss one person? 0:19
Yes, I have no idea why he said that instead of mentioning Solidus.
i feel like it’s weird because it’s when he is supposed to be snake he isn’t he’s silent except for when he knows what big boss would do
“We r Punished Snake… we r the Snake that SNAKE KILLED… The Gamer… amazing”
big boss had no choice but to manipulate his right hand mand V. to take his place this way if V got killed he could still lead he led all via Ocelot. Ocelot and the Boss saw great potential in working side by side.
I would like for keifer to come back tbh
I never got the Backlash for Venom Snake what we will play a Body double was known for at least at what point in time known since 20 years or so ever since the OG Metal gear . After it was reveald what this games is the FInal part befor the OG Metal gear starts . the people who hated this there people who never knew the full story if these had even looked it Up onlinen about the OG Metal Gear story the twist was already out
Damn i really wish they had finished the game, there was so much potential. Great video btw.
I think venom snake's story is a sad one.
I'm glad MGSV was the first game in the MGS series that I have played. I did not have to hate Venom for not being the real BB.
It's raiden all over again
Venom Snake was created to justify Big Boss surviving the first Metal Gear game.
2:00 “Very realistic graphics for the time” Bruh TO THIS DAY it is one of the best looking games ever made. I also firmly believe the FOX engine is one of the best game engines of all time
Capcom's MT Framework is up there as well, as far as engines go.
I realize that with time, Venom has grown on a lot of people.
Not the Boss we wanted, but the Boss we needed
Quait can be recruited again
I stopped playing after mgs4. Is the venom snake often referred to as V and that represents the player? Am I understanding correctly?
I mean, from the (almost) beginning, we were given hints that Venom snake wasn't the original Big Boss. Midge Ure's cover of "The Man Who sold the World", fail screens when you throw your men off the edge in MB and how Ocelot says you may not actually be the real Big Boss or something like that. Anyway, I'm glad he's better liked now than he was
i do like david hayter but if naked snake and venom snake had a different voice to solid snake would be VERY USEFUL
After watching this video i just got sad that mgv was the only mgs game.i played that i actually got bored of. Hated the story and didnt pick it up again unlike the previous games that i still play
Ocelot: The days of Naked Snake are gone. Welcome back, Eeyore😂🐴
I like Venom but definetly he would have benefited a lot of more use of Kiefer's voice and also being completely his own developed independent character instead trying to also make him an avatar for the player, IMO.
I know this has been said many times, but instead of witnessing Big Boss's downfall, we were the victims of it.
Why did Big Boss had exact same voice as solid snake anyway? I mean I guess the canon explanation is because solid snake is his clone.
But then changing david hayter later on ruined the consistency. They should have had different voice for big boss from the beginning [aka mgs3] if they planned on having different voice for BB and kept hayter for voicing solid snake.
Actually wasnt Solidus a perfect clone of BB? BB should have had Solidus' voice actor insted.
Kojima actually wanted Kurt Russell to play Big Boss in Mgs3 but he turned it down.
I'd like to comment on this whole "Your character is supposed to be evil thing"...if you want to portray "evil" realistically, then you need to understand that people you percieve as "evil" don't view themselves as such, but rather they perceive themselves as good guys.
Even the worst of war criminals on earth like Hitler and Stalin for example, had humane sides to them and do good deeds from time to time (like how Venom is rescuing animals and helping children)....the fact he seems himself as a "demon" seems to be a manifestation of his inner guilt towards some things he had to do.
When it comes to it, most "monsters" view their opposition as the monsters and vice versa...also lets not forget the fact that Venom Snake was thrown into the role of the "demon" he didn't ask for and that probably explains his mannerisms and why he "Waits for the player's input" as you put it.
Great input and I can see where your coming from, for snake too see himself as a demon and mannerisms shows hints of a Deep Run trauma from the ground zeroes incident snake couldn’t face. And it feels dissapointing because eventually venom was supposed to go back to the same Camp omega from ground zeroes to face his demon but that got scrapped as well, wonderful input✌️
@@2PhoneTyphoon Well, I actually looked into the whole "return to camp Omega" thing when the game initially came out and that turned out to be a mistranslation on the journalist's part.
What Kojima meant at the time was the game's save data from GZ can influence some aspect of TTP (since you can upload it to TTP).
But I do agree having camp Omega in TTP might have served as a good plot point.
The Fans Initially REJECTED Punished Venom Snake?
Actually peace walker is considered 5 by kojima and the v in mgsv stands for venom he said tho on his twitter long ago
what are you talking about I loved V even after I learned he wasnt Big Boss. in fact he became Big Boss!
So... to understand the ending for MGS V you have to know the ending of the first Metal Gear game.
I really hope we get a game where we play as Solid Snake,remakes of metal gear 1 or 2 ...or even a brand new story,set in a time between metal gear 2 and metal gear solid.
We didnt get enough of Solid Snake....yeah he made a return in MGS 4 but they made him old,i would of preffered Solid Snake in MGS 2 but we got Raiden,MGS 3 Big boss,MGS 5 Venom Snake.....Gimme David bro,we want David.
Venom is the best Snake: an ordinary soldier loyal to BB till the end.
Hey, great video. I remember back then, when it was announced that Hayter would not be returning as Big Boss. The fandom was split and I was on the pro-Hayter side and boycotted V. Since then, I’ve watched playthru’s of V online, but have never played it myself. I understand people’s fondness for Venom and Diamond Dogs, but I still reject it. The series was finished with Peace Walker. Big Boss was already a villain at the end of that game (nukes, child soldiers, etc) and it even ended with “to be continued in Outer Heaven”. Also, the body double thing doesn’t make sense and instead of fixing a plot hole, actually really cheapens a good twist, that being Big Boss survives his first battle with Solid Snake and returns in mg2. The “mentor is really the villain” trope has been done in a handful of movies (Broken Arrow, Mission Impossible, Goldeneye) and it’s always really compelling to see the hero use what the villain has taught him and get the upper hand. The V twist ruins this in mg1 by saying, “well that Big Boss was this other guy”. It was a much better story when it was all one guy.
INITAL THOUGHT:
(Before watching the video completely)
My thoughts, and “dislike” of the Venom Snake (don’t get me wrong though I like him just fine cos I kinda saw the twist coming a literal mile away and wasn’t invested in believing I was BB) but through it all- from MGS3 to MGSPW, BB’s journey to the darkside was looking pretty good (not like “good” but I guess, justifiable?) they were painting up a picture of how much BB went through in order to save the world, just to keep getting betrayed and it was looking like he was actually going to be a sympathetic villain, I wanted to see what would finally push his hand… pulling that trigger on nuclear Armageddon.
When MGS:GZ dropped I played it immediately. I needed to know… turns out it was a 10 minute demo. I was pissed.
The betrayal.
Also- the destruction of mother base and what they did to Paz, despite her role in PW I’m like nah, she didn’t deserve all THAT. I’d probably have gone into Vengeance mode at that point.
Instead, though… we get to play as Medic.
A blank canvas who doesn’t have Boss’ motives.
It felt like, we weren’t getting to see the most important part of BB’s journey. We were seeing the induction of Medic, who- for all we know- was merely that. A medic.
No sins. No betrayal by the CIA, FOX, The Pentagon… never had to kill his mentor in a field of Bethlehem Star flowers.
It’s like he’s just an innocent bystander trying to save lives one minute, and pulled into this LaLiLuLeLo bullshit the next.
And he’s not the one that is making any of the decisions either. He’s just given a role to play on an oil rig for a PMC while others yell over comms about who to kill/abduct/rescue.
That’s not BBs journey. Maybe BB already reached the final straw when they blew up Paz and attacked Mother Base.
But it felt “incomplete”
Then we had to play through an incomplete feeling game as someone who wasn’t even the target of all these Cypher attacks. And he’s just meant to fill the role of BB without ever having to endure it.
It felt so… false?
Like someone pretending to be a veteran and faking how they lost a leg in Afghanistan.
Except he’s been implanted with memories that he was there. Medic is the victim, it’s worse than a sympathetic villain, he didn’t even know why he was doing half the stuff.
At least if it was BB it would be like he KNOWS why he’s pulling the trigger. But medic only thinks he knows because of what he’s been implanted with and everything everyone else has told him is his “mission”
The Boss laid down her life pretending to be the bad guy without needing to be hypnotized, she just followed her duty. She knew everything she’d sacrificed, everyone she’d loved, raised, lost… and any future plans she had would have to be abandoned. This was the mission. To die so that War wouldn’t break out.
Venom was just a tool. He was basically told to do all that so he could be the “Big Bad” so that Outer Heaven would have a figurehead. He wasn’t the one I wanted to see…
I wanted to learn about Saladin, not Ahab. Not Ishmael.
I wanted to sympathize with him about what kinda world he sought to create while the rest of the world continued to spin all these stories of how “big boss was the ultimate soldier” and “ big boss was the ultimate evil” while still going, Browns, rescuing war orphans, and things
FINAL THOUGHT:
I think that this video somehow said the same things as I went into it thinking… there were a lot of things I found myself thinking “that’s exactly how I felt”
But I wanted to get all my thoughts down in advance in the event this was the case- so I could put my “uninfluenced thoughts” down ahead of time to see if the video would change my mind.
Altogether the video did a great job summing up my relationship with Venom, and I wasn’t upset about the voice change.
It was jarring how un-snake-like he sounded… but to me it made sense.
If you have Snake voicing Snavid AND his Dad, why not just have Hayter voice Liquid and Solidus? You wouldn’t… because they’re different people!
I felt like they should have just had a different VA for MGS3 from the offset, but that game also had a bait and switch, two in fact.
Every MGS has had a bait and switch… you want to play as Snake? Ok, for a while… oops now you’re this Barbie Doll Boy named Raiden.
You want to play as Raiden? Ok but JK ITS Snavid in a mask! Oh you were ok with that? DOUBLE BLUFF he has his eye shot out! It was really Big Boss!
You wanna play as BB? Ok, this is BB… JK it’s Snavid again, and he’s old!
They can’t do that “bait and switch” if the VA is someone else from the get go, the fans know something is up.
The end of MGS 4 where BB appears in the Graveyard, the surprise is performed flawlessly. But that VA had to be someone else… they can’t BOTH be voiced by Hayter.
In an ideal “timeline” you would play Snake Eater right after MGS4 Like BB’s first mission and life flashing before his eyes, like if you watched Star Wars Episode 2 and 3 right after that “I *am* your father” part… the reveal showing the previous entries like a flashback.
In that order you can have a New VA be introduced to voice “Jack” as he becomes “naked snake” and wiggles his way through the jungle of Tselinoyarsk.
But Kojima likes to try and fan-bait by making us think that the “snake” we’re playing as is the one that we WANT to play as just before he pulls the curtain back. Every metal gear solid has done this from the minute we see a glimpse of a trailer.
I kinda wish that Jack was voiced by the same person, or maybe son of the person who voices him in MGS4… it’s easy to age up your voice, but sounding younger than you are is hard (especially if you’re already ancient) they could have handled the transition better. Cos imagine the intrude N313 remake with Solid Snake facing down BB and both Big Boss on the Comms and the one you fight, AND Snavid all sound the bloody same.
Who’s talking rn? Idk… hope their heads aren’t pixelated polygons nodding with no lip sync. Hayter can’t voice EVERYONE, he’s not Decoy Octopus.
Kaz 3:16 For Big Boss so loved the world, that he gave his three begotten Sons, that whoever believes in him shall not perish, but be Fultoned to Outer Heaven.
AMEN DIAMOND DOG🙏 Appreciate the comment