Inspired by these videos, I upgraded my vintage Kenwood speaker, one from the pair. My solder work was horrible. I used the same circuit board and kept the old wires dangling, polyfil is from my old comforter. As per Danny, I removed all iron from the sound pathway. Cables connecting drivers to the crossover are negative/positive spaced on a duct tape. I used brass screws to fasten the crossover. I will soon do the other speaker too. It was a very fulfilling experience, thanks to Danny, it kept me busy and happy. Later on, I am thinking of sending both speakers to Danny for doing it Danny’s way. I hope Danny will appreciate my efforts before bothering him. Will you, Sir?
I bought his crossover kit for the Dynaudio Special 40 and was astounded at the increase in dynamics and clarity. For the first time in my life, I don't want or need to upgrade. Easy to install too and I had zero experience.
Just got these speakers yesterday. I immediately noticed the issues you speak of. Im interested in one of your kits. Although I must say that your upgrades cost more than I spent on the set new... Im probably still going to give your kit a shot. Thanks for the video.
Picked up some RP-500m speakers a few months ago and I love them. That being said seeing the little "knee" on the chart makes a lot more sense as to why sometimes they have a slight kick.
Another great solution for a popular commercial speaker to enhance the value of a person’s investment. Every one of these presentations are very educational and the insights you provide are invaluable to educate us in the parameters effecting of speaker performance. Thanks again!
@@1mctous indeed. People do spend lots of money to do upgrades on their automobiles for instance. That created an entirely new industry. So why not spend some money to upgrade a speaker that was purchased and make it better. Of course, I do agree if a speaker is available with the design “upgrades” and quality components already assembled or provided then you have the best of both scenarios but if you already had a particular commercially produced speaker design and wanted to make the upgrades then look no further than what Danny (and others too) can provide to enhance the value of your older purchase.
Frequency response is not the end all to be all. I have not heard a response on how the speaker actually sounds. I would love to hear your review of how a Magnepan LRS compares to the Klipsch speakers you have been highlighting.
You are correct about the frequency response. It is a measurement of accuracy and not sound quality. The LRS and the Maggies are really different speakers. So that is not a really good comparison.
Hey Danny, , its great to be able to see what these big companies are actually putting into their speakers rather than trust the marketers hype. Question...... As I dont want to be building my own speakers and I dont really want to have to get a speaker upgraded and trust my local electronics repairer to know how to get good sound, is there a moderately priced bookshelf speaker or floorstander you recommend as a good buy ? Being in Australia makes buying your kits or getting mods done too expensive due to shipping / insurance costs. What model or brands would you suggest I consider ? Thanks keep up the great videos....
What's the impedance this speaker actually measures at?. I'm curious if it's lower than 8ohms and if using these speakers at 4ohms to get the most power into the speakers out of my amplifier will help or hurt my reciever or the speakers. Please help.
By the end of the year you should try to complete upgrades to the entire RP line. I believe you only have a couple floor standing models and a couple centers left! In fact if anyone wants to buy an RP-500 and send it to GR let me know as I just upgraded my new RP-504.
Ok it's been about 2 or 3 weeks since I last asked but hows is that listening test going or are you still waiting on your colleague??? I really think that video will be a hit.
@@Corndog642 Yes, thank you. I just had this Far Side like thought of a room full of Klipsch engineers going Yes!! We’ve got it! And Danny going Let me fix that for you!😀
The problem is Klipsch is not even consistent with their sounds! Check it the other Klipsch speaker measurements on this channel. They are all different!
$500/pr speakers(on sale for much less) with $420 upgrade crossover parts! Yeah, I hope it does sound better!. Or, of course you could just buy $1000/pr speakers in the first place
@@ekimandersom4478 Yeah, who we kidding!?! Upgrading crossover parts is only going to maybe improve clarity and detail somewhat, maybe smooth out the lumps in the response, and or better imaging, etc. Overall, still not huge differences!! Limited by driver quality and cabinet design, and still dynamically challenged, restricted passive crossover networks, squeezing efficiency out of the speakers! Not like they're redesigning and making active higher end driver equipped "re-designs" or anything! We're talking about percentage of overall clarity and openness, and that's it, for double you're money!! Can't convince me that upgrading to better parts is some monumental game changer that's taking the industry by storm, and destroying all comers! Been in this business too many years and heard like ALL the loudspeakers over the decades. I'm not buying the hype
@@brianchristopher4666 it isn’t really a hype. It is an option if you have those speakers and like the sound, to make them a little bit better. If you don’t like the sound, this upgrade isn’t going to change that. As he said, the best sound for your money you can only get by building your own speakers.
@@ekimandersom4478 Of course. Whatever you like. I'm just definitely not paying $350 for a crossover upgrade to my Sony SS-CS5's I paid $88 a pair for at Best Buy 1 year ago!! All i'm sayin
I’d like to see how the RP-150M compares and what you would do to its circuit. I have a pair and really like them but they are not my main speakers. I’ve read generally positive things about them compared to other RP models.
I have a pair of the 150's and 160's Will, basically the same speaker except for the supposedly upgraded tweeter. I did the rp-600 upgrade kit on the 160's and they sound great.
Despite some of the minor flaws or cheaper parts in the cross-over networking . This speaker received a 5 star rating overall.. Not bad but I'm sure a minor upgrade wouldn't hurt it.. Klipsch they are the "Keepers of the Sound".. I prefer the older models..
I have a couple dumb questions, so please be patient. 1) Can you actually hear a difference in the types of caps, resistors, etc? I know certain types are 'better' than others, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone A/B a crossover with cheap components to one with nice components to see how they actually measure against each other. Similarly, I've never in my life heard someone (even an audiophile) listen to a set of speakers and accurately predict what types of components they use before taking the speaker apart. 2) Why does balancing the impedance matter? If the tweeter is pulling 20 ohms where the woofer is only pulling 6 ohms, why is that bad if the speaker measures flat? I know the ohms affect the power drawn from the amp, but if it's up in the tweeter range, the woofer will dwarf anything from the tweeter circuit in terms of power requirements, wouldn't it?
Audible differences between caps are easy to hear in most systems. When taking basic measurements of the speaker itself the higher quality caps do not alter the response or measurements. I never predict what parts will be used in a design before evaluating it to see what is needed. Balancing he impedance matters quite a bit. Different types of amplifiers react differently to different loads.
I have a very good pair of 25 yr.-old B&W Matrix 805s. They measure an extremely flat +/- 1.75 dB within their operating range. I replaced the stock Bennic caps with Jantzen caps. The upgrade improved transparency and really opened up the sound, despite measuring exactly the same as stock.
It turns out that the lacking frequencies in the response are ones I usually EQ down anyways. Having the option of the sharper highs is nice for certain songs or types of music where you really want to hear everything, but I can reduce those frequencies if I want to. I'm starting to think that ignorance is bliss in this hobby. The more combos of gear you get to listen to, the more picky you become and start feeling a need for more gear. I like these in their flawed stock version so far. I wouldn't mind the sound being wider with better imaging though. Ooops, I better not start that..
You are getting a gated time window measurement. That is a speaker only measurement just like an anechoic measurement. Measuring lower and accurately requires the mic to be further away. So an anechoic chamber is really required. What is happening down there is easy to define from the impedance curve (tuning), and that roll off is pretty predictable. In a playback application all of that below 200Hz is completely dictated by the room.
Danny is right. He would have to do ground plane measurements as well then combine the two. Probably isn't worth the effort but that's how I believe New Record Day does it and I know how James from Audioholics does it. Only thing of value we might be able to draw from them would be if there's any resonances but it's not like Danny can do much about that aside from no res which he usually does anyway.
I’m new here and I like the video you come across very clear and easy to listen to. But to spend $300 to upgrade a pair of $300 speakers doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. I really would like to try this because I have the 600’s, 150 and 160’s that sound pretty good to me. I guess if the kit was $200 I would try it and so would do many other but to me I think the price for what you are trying to do just doesn’t seem right.
Think about it this way. $300 worth of parts would have added $1,500 to the retail price. So after the mod you have the equivalent of a speaker that would retail for $1,800. Or look at it this way. For $300 you have a pretty dull sounding speaker. Or for $600 one that sounds pretty good.
@@dannyrichie9743 if it’s really going to sound that much better then I’d say it’s very well worth it. I know Klipsch always tries to Find ways to cut cost to make the speaker more affordable but I didn’t think they would be this far off from perfecting the sound. I guess I’d like to try this out I’m Anxious to see how much the quality of sound is improved.
Dunno.....before the GR mod, efficiency is mainly above 90db. After the mod, its mainly below. I bought these for their efficiency, and I dont want to lose that. To me, these speakers sound great out of the box, and there is nothing I would want to change.
The actually sensitivity does not change. Just the ranges that are higher than the real sensitivity has been brought down to match the lower parts so that it is more balanced.
@@dannyrichie9743 Going by the published graphs, the 93db rating quoted by Klipsch seems to be reduced to 88db after the mod. Anyway, I took the 850hz hump down by 2.5db using my DEQX. Vocals sounded thinner & a lot of warmth was lost. This might be perceived as 'cleaner', but I prefer the balance of the stock Klipsch in my system.
Any modern amplifier couldn't give a ++++ about impedance variation. You have now dropped the impedance low enough to damage many modern surround receivers. You never show the group delay curve or phase response that your added crossover parts create. You never show the off axis response lower than tweeter height. When comparing expensive speakers to cheap speakers you never show and I doubt you even measure the power compression which is one of the biggest gains a dearer speaker can make.
Amplifiers absolutely respond differently to different impedance loads. Most of the time I do more with less parts than what speakers often have, and I am corrected phase errors, not causing them. And I do measure speakers below the tweeter axis. However, the floor is often treated and the speaker is much close to the floor. So it's reflection is minimized. The ceilings are almost always complete untreated and the vertical is more of an issue. Power compression? You want them tested at high levels now? Nothing about the before and after of a crossover upgrade is going to have an effect like that.
Personally, I'd just buy the Sony CS bookshelf units and upgrade them instead. Given how well received it is and what you managed to get those significantly cheaper little guys to do the pair I have in the den seem ready for that Brown Recluse bite on my hand to heal up. Lol
Hello Mr. 👋 Mr. Yes. Speakers manufactur used extremely cheap crossover parts. But and you use cheap parts. Because need use film inductor coils and best capacitors, for example - intertechnik Audyn true copper max (2% tolerance). Sonic caps very cheap capacitors...
If I had the technical know how to make an upgrade kit for this line of Klipsch I would have replaced the bass driver with something else. Only because I think how they call it "Spun Copper" is the most cringe thing ever. Not just in Hi-Fi, but in all of human culture. Don't name the colour of your drivers after a manufacturing method that the drivers are not. It confuses everybody and is silly and cringe. I prefer their silver colored Injection Molded Graphite drivers in the Icon series and the older Synergy series. Along with looking better, they are not vulnerable to being dented.
It has been noted in opinions by other audiophiles that when it comes to reproducing the sound of acoustic instruments that paper cones offer distinct advantages over many contemporary “metallized” (whatever the heck that means) materials used in the composition of speaker cones. If a person is particularly interested in, say for instance, string quartets, cello, violin, viola, etc then why would a non-paper cone be considered from a basic logical perspective. If you are listening to electronic or synthesized musical productions then ok maybe a paper coned speaker might not be the better choice for those particular enthusiastic audio listeners. Understanding the choices of music and speaker design parameters and using good information available to everyone will certainly allow for a better choice based upon audio tastes in choices of genre. My 2¢.
@@Aswaguespack Some jackass dented one of the bass drivers on my OG Klipsch RF-7's. I was considering getting paper cone drivers and having Danny make a crossover. Can't get original ones, and the ones on eBay are more dented up than the one bad one I have.
@@raidendigital1003 before I retired from a career in music education, I purchased a pair of RF-7s for my large music rehearsal hall. They were a good match for our use but I don’t think I would have a pair for my much smaller home listening room. I’m not sold on the properties of those RF-7 cone materials. The RF-7 tweeters in very large spaces will not be very objectionable like it will be in a small home environment. Speaker selection should include those variables that are sometimes overlooked or not considered when they should be.
@@Aswaguespack I bought them when I was too young and dumb to know they would be too much for my small room. I still don't have a place that's big enough for them. I was considering taking them out to the open desert to listen to and using a pair of Dayton DTA-1 battery amp to power each speaker bi-amped. The only reason I don't is they're so damn heavy.
Very happy for you that your business is booming. I'm learning a lot from these videos and "unlearning" quite a bit that I used to believe. Thanks!
Hear hear! Same here!
I learned about the cheese
Inspired by these videos, I upgraded my vintage Kenwood speaker, one from the pair. My solder work was horrible. I used the same circuit board and kept the old wires dangling, polyfil is from my old comforter. As per Danny, I removed all iron from the sound pathway. Cables connecting drivers to the crossover are negative/positive spaced on a duct tape. I used brass screws to fasten the crossover. I will soon do the other speaker too. It was a very fulfilling experience, thanks to Danny, it kept me busy and happy. Later on, I am thinking of sending both speakers to Danny for doing it Danny’s way. I hope Danny will appreciate my efforts before bothering him. Will you, Sir?
I bought his crossover kit for the Dynaudio Special 40 and was astounded at the increase in dynamics and clarity. For the first time in my life, I don't want or need to upgrade. Easy to install too and I had zero experience.
Hey folks, Don't email them to ask when new videos are coming! Just takes longer for them to get stuff done!
Just got these speakers yesterday. I immediately noticed the issues you speak of. Im interested in one of your kits. Although I must say that your upgrades cost more than I spent on the set new... Im probably still going to give your kit a shot. Thanks for the video.
Your new “makeshift” recording spot looks great! 👍
yeah i like it.
Picked up some RP-500m speakers a few months ago and I love them. That being said seeing the little "knee" on the chart makes a lot more sense as to why sometimes they have a slight kick.
Oh i cant wait to see comparison vids of this build to the original. Nice workkkk
Greetings from Idaho.
Your success is rightfully deserved!
Been anticipating this update. Can't wait to place my order for the upgrades
I love this spot to shoot looks awesome much better!!!
So busy I can imagine and amazing ya found some time for a haircut.. I thought for a second this was an older video.. Well done..
I had to. It was getting in my face on the soccer field.
Another great solution for a popular commercial speaker to enhance the value of a person’s investment. Every one of these presentations are very educational and the insights you provide are invaluable to educate us in the parameters effecting of speaker performance. Thanks again!
For those who hesitate because the upgrades cost nearly as much as the speaker itself, Danny's own XL-S Encore kit offers better value.
@@1mctous indeed. People do spend lots of money to do upgrades on their automobiles for instance. That created an entirely new industry. So why not spend some money to upgrade a speaker that was purchased and make it better. Of course, I do agree if a speaker is available with the design “upgrades” and quality components already assembled or provided then you have the best of both scenarios but if you already had a particular commercially produced speaker design and wanted to make the upgrades then look no further than what Danny (and others too) can provide to enhance the value of your older purchase.
Would you recomend them as SL/R in a 7.2.4 setup? I already have the florrstanding Klipsch RP-6000F II and the Klipsch RP-404C II in the center.
I was getting nervous. Good to see ya.
Keep up the good works !!
Frequency response is not the end all to be all. I have not heard a response on how the speaker actually sounds. I would love to hear your review of how a Magnepan LRS compares to the Klipsch speakers you have been highlighting.
You are correct about the frequency response. It is a measurement of accuracy and not sound quality. The LRS and the Maggies are really different speakers. So that is not a really good comparison.
Hey Danny, , its great to be able to see what these big companies are actually putting into their speakers rather than trust the marketers hype. Question...... As I dont want to be building my own speakers and I dont really want to have to get a speaker upgraded and trust my local electronics repairer to know how to get good sound, is there a moderately priced bookshelf speaker or floorstander you recommend as a good buy ? Being in Australia makes buying your kits or getting mods done too expensive due to shipping / insurance costs. What model or brands would you suggest I consider ?
Thanks keep up the great videos....
How would you compare this Klipsch model after upgrades to the Davanti ?
The Devanti;s use better drivers and a better overall sound.
What's the impedance this speaker actually measures at?. I'm curious if it's lower than 8ohms and if using these speakers at 4ohms to get the most power into the speakers out of my amplifier will help or hurt my reciever or the speakers. Please help.
What do you recommend ? Sony SSCS5 or this 500 mII?
Hey mate, do you ship to Australia? 😃🇦🇺
By the end of the year you should try to complete upgrades to the entire RP line. I believe you only have a couple floor standing models and a couple centers left! In fact if anyone wants to buy an RP-500 and send it to GR let me know as I just upgraded my new RP-504.
Nice work Danny
The Danny Drought is over! Welcome back sensei!
Do you have an upgrade for the Elac DBR62 speakers? I have RP-500M's as well. I may look into your kit.
Have you looked on their website, under upgrades? Speaker Modifications > ELAC Upgrades > ELAC Debut 2.0 B6.2 Upgrade
Do this RP-500M sounds better than the ELAC Debut 2.0 B6.2 and the Dali Skeptor 2 ???
What about the sensitivity? Is it the same?
Any speakers that are just great as they come from the factory?
Impressive! I like your detailed hat straight to the point explanation
Keep up the great work
Also. Do you sell the mod or give a parts list
? It's in the description
The dark background is so cool. Nice change.
Ok it's been about 2 or 3 weeks since I last asked but hows is that listening test going or are you still waiting on your colleague??? I really think that video will be a hit.
It will happen.
Any hopes of an upgrade kit for Polk S55 Towers? I'd buy in a heartbeat!
You know how he's going to create an upgrade kit for a Polk S55? By you sending him your speakers to measure.
Jeff's right. I work on whatever is sent in.
Just a thought, probably wrong!😂 What if what you are removing is the Klipsch sound they are going after?
If you like the Klipsch sound then there’s no reason to change it.
@@Corndog642 Yes, thank you. I just had this Far Side like thought of a room full of Klipsch engineers going Yes!! We’ve got it! And Danny going Let me fix that for you!😀
The problem is Klipsch is not even consistent with their sounds! Check it the other Klipsch speaker measurements on this channel. They are all different!
$500/pr speakers(on sale for much less) with $420 upgrade crossover parts! Yeah, I hope it does sound better!. Or, of course you could just buy $1000/pr speakers in the first place
1000$ speakers are not going to sound better.
@@ekimandersom4478 Yeah, who we kidding!?! Upgrading crossover parts is only going to maybe improve clarity and detail somewhat, maybe smooth out the lumps in the response, and or better imaging, etc. Overall, still not huge differences!! Limited by driver quality and cabinet design, and still dynamically challenged, restricted passive crossover networks, squeezing efficiency out of the speakers! Not like they're redesigning and making active higher end driver equipped "re-designs" or anything! We're talking about percentage of overall clarity and openness, and that's it, for double you're money!! Can't convince me that upgrading to better parts is some monumental game changer that's taking the industry by storm, and destroying all comers! Been in this business too many years and heard like ALL the loudspeakers over the decades. I'm not buying the hype
@@brianchristopher4666 it isn’t really a hype.
It is an option if you have those speakers and like the sound, to make them a little bit better.
If you don’t like the sound, this upgrade isn’t going to change that.
As he said, the best sound for your money you can only get by building your own speakers.
@@ekimandersom4478 Of course. Whatever you like. I'm just definitely not paying $350 for a crossover upgrade to my Sony SS-CS5's I paid $88 a pair for at Best Buy 1 year ago!! All i'm sayin
I hope this brings you back to this and you see how asinine it is to use dollar amounts as a qualifier for speaker quality 😂
So saxes and soprano voices have a very slight boost unaltered on the stock speaker so what?
That is the least of the problems of the stock version.
I’d like to see how the RP-150M compares and what you would do to its circuit. I have a pair and really like them but they are not my main speakers. I’ve read generally positive things about them compared to other RP models.
I have a pair of the 150's and 160's Will, basically the same speaker except for the supposedly upgraded tweeter. I did the rp-600 upgrade kit on the 160's and they sound great.
@@timdmyterko4208 Please tell me more about the upgrade. I also have the 160's
Hi Danny any thoughts on Solen parts?
We buy some parts from them.
Despite some of the minor flaws or cheaper parts in the cross-over networking . This speaker received a 5 star rating overall.. Not bad but I'm sure a minor upgrade wouldn't hurt it.. Klipsch they are the "Keepers of the Sound".. I prefer the older models..
Minor upgrade that costs more than the speakers do! (on sale)
I have a couple dumb questions, so please be patient.
1) Can you actually hear a difference in the types of caps, resistors, etc? I know certain types are 'better' than others, but I don't think I've ever seen anyone A/B a crossover with cheap components to one with nice components to see how they actually measure against each other. Similarly, I've never in my life heard someone (even an audiophile) listen to a set of speakers and accurately predict what types of components they use before taking the speaker apart.
2) Why does balancing the impedance matter? If the tweeter is pulling 20 ohms where the woofer is only pulling 6 ohms, why is that bad if the speaker measures flat? I know the ohms affect the power drawn from the amp, but if it's up in the tweeter range, the woofer will dwarf anything from the tweeter circuit in terms of power requirements, wouldn't it?
Audible differences between caps are easy to hear in most systems. When taking basic measurements of the speaker itself the higher quality caps do not alter the response or measurements.
I never predict what parts will be used in a design before evaluating it to see what is needed.
Balancing he impedance matters quite a bit. Different types of amplifiers react differently to different loads.
I have a very good pair of 25 yr.-old B&W Matrix 805s. They measure an extremely flat +/- 1.75 dB within their operating range. I replaced the stock Bennic caps with Jantzen caps. The upgrade improved transparency and really opened up the sound, despite measuring exactly the same as stock.
Will y'all be at Rocky Mountain this year?
I won't be there exhibiting.
So wait spend 300+ for the speakers then 300 more in parts to get it to work better lol. Might as well go for the rp600
It turns out that the lacking frequencies in the response are ones I usually EQ down anyways. Having the option of the sharper highs is nice for certain songs or types of music where you really want to hear everything, but I can reduce those frequencies if I want to. I'm starting to think that ignorance is bliss in this hobby. The more combos of gear you get to listen to, the more picky you become and start feeling a need for more gear. I like these in their flawed stock version so far. I wouldn't mind the sound being wider with better imaging though. Ooops, I better not start that..
What about just stuffing the ports ?
It wasn't necessary with this model.
Why do your graphs only go down to 200hz. I feel like we're not getting the whole story.....
Below 200 Hz, the room modes dominate. Something that needs customized solutions, on an individual basis.
You are getting a gated time window measurement. That is a speaker only measurement just like an anechoic measurement. Measuring lower and accurately requires the mic to be further away. So an anechoic chamber is really required. What is happening down there is easy to define from the impedance curve (tuning), and that roll off is pretty predictable. In a playback application all of that below 200Hz is completely dictated by the room.
Danny is right. He would have to do ground plane measurements as well then combine the two. Probably isn't worth the effort but that's how I believe New Record Day does it and I know how James from Audioholics does it. Only thing of value we might be able to draw from them would be if there's any resonances but it's not like Danny can do much about that aside from no res which he usually does anyway.
@@dannyrichie9743 have you considered a klippel?
I’m new here and I like the video you come across very clear and easy to listen to. But to spend $300 to upgrade a pair of $300 speakers doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me. I really would like to try this because I have the 600’s, 150 and 160’s that sound pretty good to me. I guess if the kit was $200 I would try it and so would do many other but to me I think the price for what you are trying to do just doesn’t seem right.
Think about it this way. $300 worth of parts would have added $1,500 to the retail price. So after the mod you have the equivalent of a speaker that would retail for $1,800. Or look at it this way. For $300 you have a pretty dull sounding speaker. Or for $600 one that sounds pretty good.
@@dannyrichie9743 if it’s really going to sound that much better then I’d say it’s very well worth it. I know Klipsch always tries to
Find ways to cut cost to make the speaker more affordable but I didn’t think they would be this far off from perfecting the sound. I guess I’d like to try this out I’m
Anxious to see how much the quality of sound is improved.
Why are these speakers labeled as 8ohms if the woofer drops below 4ohms?. Shouldn't this be a 4ohm speaker?.
Dunno.....before the GR mod, efficiency is mainly above 90db. After the mod, its mainly below. I bought these for their efficiency, and I dont want to lose that. To me, these speakers sound great out of the box, and there is nothing I would want to change.
The actually sensitivity does not change. Just the ranges that are higher than the real sensitivity has been brought down to match the lower parts so that it is more balanced.
@@dannyrichie9743 Going by the published graphs, the 93db rating quoted by Klipsch seems to be reduced to 88db after the mod.
Anyway, I took the 850hz hump down by 2.5db using my DEQX. Vocals sounded thinner & a lot of warmth was lost. This might be perceived as 'cleaner', but I prefer the balance of the stock Klipsch in my system.
Sp-bs22 please???? I would love to order a kit for it
Look up Dennis Murphy's bs22 upgrade. It involves replacing the tweeter but worth looking at.
Neo 10 ?
Not currently available.
@@dannyrichie9743 OK, too bad
in the near future?
Any modern amplifier couldn't give a ++++ about impedance variation.
You have now dropped the impedance low enough to damage many modern surround receivers.
You never show the group delay curve or phase response that your added crossover parts create.
You never show the off axis response lower than tweeter height.
When comparing expensive speakers to cheap speakers you never show and I doubt you even measure the power compression which is one of the biggest gains a dearer speaker can make.
Amplifiers absolutely respond differently to different impedance loads.
Most of the time I do more with less parts than what speakers often have, and I am corrected phase errors, not causing them.
And I do measure speakers below the tweeter axis. However, the floor is often treated and the speaker is much close to the floor. So it's reflection is minimized. The ceilings are almost always complete untreated and the vertical is more of an issue.
Power compression? You want them tested at high levels now? Nothing about the before and after of a crossover upgrade is going to have an effect like that.
No more Cheese!
Personally, I'd just buy the Sony CS bookshelf units and upgrade them instead. Given how well received it is and what you managed to get those significantly cheaper little guys to do the pair I have in the den seem ready for that Brown Recluse bite on my hand to heal up. Lol
Hello Mr. 👋 Mr. Yes. Speakers manufactur used extremely cheap crossover parts. But and you use cheap parts. Because need use film inductor coils and best capacitors, for example - intertechnik Audyn true copper max (2% tolerance). Sonic caps very cheap capacitors...
buy a used pair and dump the network
A whole lot of 🧀
If I had the technical know how to make an upgrade kit for this line of Klipsch I would have replaced the bass driver with something else. Only because I think how they call it "Spun Copper" is the most cringe thing ever. Not just in Hi-Fi, but in all of human culture. Don't name the colour of your drivers after a manufacturing method that the drivers are not. It confuses everybody and is silly and cringe. I prefer their silver colored Injection Molded Graphite drivers in the Icon series and the older Synergy series. Along with looking better, they are not vulnerable to being dented.
It has been noted in opinions by other audiophiles that when it comes to reproducing the sound of acoustic instruments that paper cones offer distinct advantages over many contemporary “metallized” (whatever the heck that means) materials used in the composition of speaker cones. If a person is particularly interested in, say for instance, string quartets, cello, violin, viola, etc then why would a non-paper cone be considered from a basic logical perspective. If you are listening to electronic or synthesized musical productions then ok maybe a paper coned speaker might not be the better choice for those particular enthusiastic audio listeners. Understanding the choices of music and speaker design parameters and using good information available to everyone will certainly allow for a better choice based upon audio tastes in choices of genre. My 2¢.
@@Aswaguespack Some jackass dented one of the bass drivers on my OG Klipsch RF-7's. I was considering getting paper cone drivers and having Danny make a crossover. Can't get original ones, and the ones on eBay are more dented up than the one bad one I have.
@@raidendigital1003 before I retired from a career in music education, I purchased a pair of RF-7s for my large music rehearsal hall. They were a good match for our use but I don’t think I would have a pair for my much smaller home listening room. I’m not sold on the properties of those RF-7 cone materials. The RF-7 tweeters in very large spaces will not be very objectionable like it will be in a small home environment. Speaker selection should include those variables that are sometimes overlooked or not considered when they should be.
@@Aswaguespack I bought them when I was too young and dumb to know they would be too much for my small room. I still don't have a place that's big enough for them. I was considering taking them out to the open desert to listen to and using a pair of Dayton DTA-1 battery amp to power each speaker bi-amped. The only reason I don't is they're so damn heavy.
Lmao
'I didn't use much parts'
Charges $300
Well, if Klipsch had done it the right soundly way to start with, then it might only been 200$ more expensive speaker…..