M&P Shield Plus vs SIG P365 XL
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- Опубликовано: 27 авг 2024
- Comparing two very popular 9mm defensive pistols on today's market, the M&P Shield Plus from Smith & Wesson and the SIG P365 XL. Both of these are very good choices, in my opinion.
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I carry a P365XL but my fiance carries a Shield Plus. We've decided to go forward with the wedding and make it work.
Still married?
At least one is a smith and Wesson and not a glock
Lmao 🤣 🤣 🤣
@@jordaan1336 Yep, officially hitched now. You work through it
"But what will your kids even look like?"
Can we all just stop for a minute and appreciate the state of the industry, that a few years ago, a gun like the P365 was a pipe dream? Now, not only are there multiple variants of it, but it has serious competition from multiple gun manufacturers?
I don't feel like a double-stack polymer 9mm has been made in the past 40 years that significantly stands out from the rest. I have my own preferences and other people
have theirs, but trading my preferred double-stack 9mms with any other of the hundreds of other options out there would have a minimal impact. I appreciate your exuberance, but isn't the exact opposite true?
@@ExtremeSquared But has there been a polymer double stack in the last 50 years the size of this current crop of micro-compacts? I've owned a couple, and they were substantially chunkier than this current line of offerings. The G26 and G19 is noticeably thicker than the G43/43x/48 (with Shield magazines), the M&P's are noticeably thicker than Shield Plus, and my P320 with a subcompact module is still quite a bit thicker than the P365. There simply hasn't been anything this small with this much capacity before.
@@mikeharvey9184 It is cool engineering. But a 10% reduction in thickness versus comparable pistols is as niche of a feature as another pistol's 10% better trigger to most people. People get extremely hung up on the tail of the logarithmic gains curve for a lot of products, where there is just so little real world difference to be found fretting over minor differences.
@@ExtremeSquared I think he is referring more to the 40% capacity increase from Shield to Shield Plus
That’s all well and good if you are willing to bet your life on them.
I think my OCD took a hit when he put those in his pocket and the camera didn't pan out so you could see how it fit. 🤣
Seriously though, I love the content Hickok puts out. I lost my dad a year ago and he reminds me an awful lot of him. When I watch these videos it makes me smile. Just a good guy doing good guy things. God bless you, Hickok.
Take a minute to realize how fortunate we are to have hickok45 on video shooting so many different guns. Clint eastwood has nothing on you hickok.
Right? Can you imaging having 19th century videos of Wild Bill with his revolvers? What a dream!
This man shoots more accurately with a micro-compact handgun than me with a rifle... really goes to show his experience with age
My grandfather who saw Jessie James made the statement that he was more accurate with his pistol than most folks shooting a rifle, true story ,🔫
@Robert It does, but I would almost guarantee you this man shot a lot before his sponsors. It is possible to become a great shooter without shooting tons of rounds.
The whole reason I watch this channel is to hear him to hit the gong.
He is insane with revolvers too
Hickock can shoot the headlights out of a Hummingbird no matter where the Hummingbird is, from wherever he's standing & I wouldn't bet he can't do it with either hand, in a strong Rain/Snow/Wind Storm, with the Flu
0:17 "Twinkle, twinkle, little star..."
He's LITERALLY playing music on the targets now. 🤣
Hahahaha
😂
LOL
Sold my 365 and bought a Shield Plus after seeing it.
For me it was the right choice.
One of the reasons I enjoy this man (and a few others) so much is the balance that he provides in these evaluations. It's clear which gun he personally prefers, but acknowledges the reasons you might choose either one. He does not attempt to pick an obvious winner, and there really isn't one, as there are several different applications for the guns, and many variables in what personally matters to us, how we are physically built, etc. Both guns have major followings, for good reason. Really nice to always come here for some maturity, with all of the hyperbolic nonsense and extreme opinions out there. I appreciate it. Personally, I have the XL and it feels better in my hand, but my brother loves his Shield Plus.
He just absolutely loves GUNS like I do which is why I appreciate him too. I’ve never been a fan boy either, I want to shoot everything and I enjoy them all - which he certainly does too
The Shield Plus is the best pistol I have ever fired and I have fired several. A couple thousand rounds and not one issue or misfire with it. I also have the P365XL and have had a few jams, but it's still a decent pistol.
I recently purchased a shield after considering these and had began to question my decision after hearing Hitchcock say he prefers the sig... until I saw that light primer strike confidence restored lol.
Yup…I went all Gucci with my shield 1.0(Blacklist barrel, Apex trigger, TFO sights etc). So after the fiasco with the P320 and witnessing more than one light primer strikes on a side arm that’s designed to save your life I’ll definitely pass.
I watch videos like this and when Hickok talks about pocket carrying a p365xl, I'm reminded of what a giant human this man is. There's no way I could comfortably carry my xl in my pocket...
I shot both and have slightly smaller hands. The Shield Plus felt better in my hands, less snappy than the p365/XL. I really had my eyes on the p365 but it just goes to show you have to shoot them before buying! Great options either way.
I had the opportunity to shoot the P365XL and Shield Plus side by side and went with the Shield Plus. I don't like the narrow but long grip feel... but the better trigger and lesser recoil of the Shield Plus really sold it for me
I agree
@@KP-ty9yl Hi ,Have you checked or maybe compared the shield plus with its 13 rd mag vs Hellcat pro ? it looks like they are the same size by hair and the only difference is the barrel 3.1 vs 3.7 inch and you get more comfort on the Hellcat pro 15 rd mag flat on the grip
@@RanTausithen might as well carry a $300 P10C and get the 4" barrel, 15+1, with 17, 19, or 21 rd backup mags
I was in between both and went with the shield plus... The moment I shot the first 5rounds I was in love
Ive been carrying the Sig P365XL for a couple years now. Have a Holosun 507k, TLR7 Sub, and talon grips on it and it is my absolute perfect conceal carry weapon. I have thousands of rounds through mine and i have not had a single malfunction of any kind.
IWB carry?
@@adamz0037 yes, AIWB. And I now have the Wilson Combat frame on it
The 365xl for me is carry perfection. I can't imagine switching at this point.
agree
only critique I have of the XL is the magwell flares out at the end of the grip, and so the normal P365 is just more concealable. I dont need a magwell, i wish the 3645XL didnt have it, but love the gun anyways!
@@fettmaneiii4439 flared mag well it so small definitely doesn’t affect concealment at all
I added a Hogue handgrip and with my zero on top my xl is always on my person during waking hours
the grip is just perfection with decent aggressive texture, its got a nice long barrel/slide and best mag capacity for its compact size, and its from a german company I believe? Great quality too. Hard to beat that.
S&W revolver or S&W MP Shield 2.0 would be my backup or sidearm in the future maybe. So far P365 XL has been my carry buddy for a little over a year now.
Can already imagine how polarized this comment section will be but at the end of the day I don’t care what anyone says, BOTH of these two guns are the top 2 best micro 9 guns out there. Which one you prefer is just preference at the end of the day.
The 365 was a game changer and although many manufacturers have made great attempts to replicate it the shield plus is the only one that’s come close to dethroning it.
Personally I prefer the shield plus simply because I already have owned previous shields and compatibility with holsters was a no brainer. I am also amittedly a pretty big fanboy of Smith & Wesson.
But when a good buddy of mine went to buy his first handgun last year I pointed him directly at the p365 because it is a phenomenal handgun of equal quality.
Can’t go wrong with either and we should be grateful we live in such an awesome time for the conceal carry world.
Early 365’s were notorious for weak/light Strikers. The fix was made somewhere around 2019-2020. Mine was purchased in 2021 and has no problems.
An those Xray nite sights !
I really wanted to like the 365XL. Good sights, good trigger, nice and trim, accurate. Did seem a bit snappy. Was going to get one for me and once for the Mrs. BUT, it's hitting about 6 inches low at 15 yards. An associate of mine shoots it just fine. Bought a Shield Plus to try. Good sights, comfortable to shoot, accurate, great trigger, flat and easy to conceal. No malfunctions after 600 rounds and no cleaning. Bought another one for my wife's use.
My 365x also shoots low as well. It shoots better with heavier ammo try 124 or 147gr. Between two other friends we have 365 sas ported, xl and I have the x. All of them are less snappy than most pocket pistols of previous generations
Clean your gun dude
@@blainesnipes5459 , On a new gun, I usually put 800-1000 rounds through it without cleaning to test reliability. before trusting my life with it. Then I clean it before carrying
Bruh.. if you think the P365xl is snappy- you are a 2 year old or are lying about shooting it. It shoots objectively as soft as a larger frame HK. lmao
Never listen to the guy who doesn’t clean his gun to test “reliability”
I've appendix carried the P365 For the last 2 years. Recently got the XL grip module and the 15rd mag. The bigger grip and mag extension gave me enough room to wrap my whole hand around it fingers included. Great firearm with over 2000 rounds fired and still going strong.
I've got a couple XL's, one stock and one upgraded a bit. If you own an XL and you're wishing the grip was more robust check into the Wilson Combat grip modules with improved texture and slightly beefier grip circumference. They can also be used with Wilson's tungsten weight set which slides into the grip just behind the magazine and improves overall balance. Makes the XL feel and shoot like a slightly larger gun but keeps that narrow profile and all the concealed carry goodness.
The performance center variant of the shield plus has one of the best striker fire triggers and resets on any striker fire gun ive ever used. Not just micro pistols. Any striker fire... it is an amazing gun
The Walther PPQ and PDP take that for me. They're unbelievable.
@@codyallen2838 I LOVE MY PDP!!!!
ITS A TACK DRIVER.
@@codyallen2838 that PDP may be my next one. man I like that one.
@@codyallen2838 It is not even a debate, Walther's PDP triggers are unmatched by anyone right now it is the best, but too big to carry for me.
This is the exact two options I was looking at. I have carried an original Shield for years and it has been excellent. I actually decided on the P365XL, but came across a great deal on a Shield Plus and went for it. Love that it fits all my Shield holsters. Glad I went with the Shield. They shoot like a bigger gun and are a pleasure.
Hard to beat the value of a s&w shield, boy I’ll tell ya.
Shot both and the 365xl ergonomics are amazing.
I own both. Shield first ..no complaints..but 365xl is the one I carry most .
Mag guts in the shield plus will be 13 in the 10 rd and 15 in the 13 rd mags
@@kvandy5989 I had forgotten his light primer strike on his p365 XL... Whatever became of that?
I actually bought 6 striker fired pistols including these two in the video to see what the talk was all about. The pistols were the (Glock 19, Glock 43X, Sig 365XL, Shield Plus, Glock 45, Glock48) After a year of shooting, these two pistols are what I have left. It's been a hard decision between the two. The shield has a smoother trigger, but the 365xl trigger is more predictable and comfortable in my experience. I added the Talon covers for each of them. The slightly lower bore axis on the 365XL has made it my choice so far. It doesn't feel as snappy as the Shield for me. The Shield does have a safety for those that prefer that option. It was a consideration for me. A good pocket holster makes me feel safe with either w/o the safety. Thanks Hickok for the video.
CZ p10c voluptuous ergos ❤️❤️ and stock trigger got me, another one to consider , also carry a 43x w shield arms 15rd
@UCj-OwEa-J_O38PTTv4FFbzw I didn't dislike the pistols of your choice. In general I had not been a fan of the striker fired pistols. I remain preferring DA/SA hammer guns. I just wanted to find out the fascination with striker fired stuff. The Glocks were very comfortable as you say. If I had to buy the 365xl over again I would choose the 365X instead of the XL to make it just a slight bit smaller in my pocket and still a bit bigger than the plain 365.
I’ve owned all of these, sold them all for CZ. If you’ve ever been confronted with having to draw and put your little micro pistol into action you’ll wish you had a bigger gun. And more rounds. Period.
You can add a safety to the P365's.
Why would you ever sell a Glock 19 but keep P365xl and shield?
You can have a Glock 19 to be your main gun since it performs as well as a full size and have the shield or P365 as your backup/deep conceal gun
What I love about hickok45 is he doesn’t have the whole “best something something” mentality. He gives every firearm a fair shot and gives you a very honest opinion. That’s rare these days and I’m glad we have someone like him letting the guns do most of the talking.
I own the 365XL and it is a very nice pistol. However, I prefer the Shield Plus Performance Center 4” model. I own or have owned the 2.0 Shield Performance Center 4” pistols in 9mm, 40 S&W and 45 ACP and now I carry the Shield Plus Performance Center 4”. All of the Shields have been extremely reliable and easy to shoot well.
The silence and pause of shame that happened at 15:50 killed me lol!!!
I stopped by Bud's in Pigeon Forge while we were on a quick getaway the other day to drool over pistols and buy some ammo. I asked for the Hickok discount. LOL They said buy 2 get the 3rd at full price. hehehehe. I did thank them for helping you and you help us alot. Thank you. Bud's is a super nice place to shop.
Sounds like a great discount! :-)
That's the one thing I've always liked about Glock pistols, never had a failure with any of them. That's all I carry because I'm betting my life it's going to go bang when I pull the trigger. I used to carry the 19, or 26 all the time, the 19 will always be my favorite. These days I have a 43, and a 48. Gives me lots of options. I can make four pistols out of those two by switching the slides and frames, then add in the shield arms 15 round magazines and you've really got the best of both worlds, slim with the same capacity as the 19.
I have both. Actually, I have the 365X and the Shield Plus. The Shield Plus is my favorite. Feels better in my hand and shoots like a dream.
Do you have big hands?
@@ShepherdMinistry Quite the opposite. I have small hands, even for a woman.
I was undecided between the 365X and Shield Plus. I did like the slimmer profile of the Sig, but went with Smith because of the $299 sale on 30 SC.
P365 was the first carry gun I ever bought. Used it in my concealed carry course. The grip was always a little small for me until I bought a 12 rd magazine. After that there was no changing for me. Fits perfect, shoots great, and after about 1200 rounds I’ve only had two malfunctions. One was operator error and the other one was a problem with the ammo (verified by the company that loaded them). All and all, great “jack of all trades” pistol at a very affordable price.
Get the 15r mag, its even better
I've owned 3 p365s (don't judge me), and one of them I had oil ver 2500 rounds through and I don't recall a single malfunction. Had about 500 through the other 2 without issues. I've got an XL now but I've only got 5 mags through it. Still no issues which has blown my mind.
@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 Why has it blown your mind?.... It's a firearm from a reputable manufacturer. They just work.
@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 Not to mention that's not as many rounds as you think.
@@DragonGamer31 I have one that I take the the range but it’s just kind of obvious so I don’t carry with it. Still love it though.
P365x has become the standard for me on being shootable/concealable. 12 rounds flush with that 3.1 inch barrel is perfect 🤌.
I'm a deputy sheriff in a county in PA. The dept. switched from Glocks to Sig P320's. I had never had an issue qualifying with the Glock, the Sig however had several light primer strikes and failures to feed. I purchased a few Glock gen 5's since I'm an FFL and was disappointed Glock had gone to a "pin" firing pin instead of the original firing pin which stamped a rectangular imprint on the primer. The original firing pin struck a larger area on the primer to ensure ignition.
good technical insight, thanks for sharing
Are the old pins compatible with the Gen 5?
Never had a primer strike problem with any Glock I was issued. G22-10,000+ @rounds, 19- 10,000+ rounds. Gen 5 firing pin working fine.
We have a ton of choices these days. Everyone should be able to find a gun that floats their boat. I wish all happy hunting and you get the one that fits you best.
"Were living in the golden age of firearms"
- Hickok45
Unless you live in a communist state like CA. Where neither of these models is available 😑
@@redsrt4 took the words right out my mouth
@@redsrt4 can't get the ten round there? Or just really hard to do.
@@mrarivv0007 no, in addition to having a 10 round mag limit CA also has a “roster” of handguns that can be sold in CA…. It’s really stupid and a long story, but the short version is, a gun has to undergo several “tests” that the state administers before they put in on roster, it’s expensive for manufacturers to do that. Also, CA will only put a new firearm on the roster if they can take an old one off. It’s a joke
I've been trying to decide between the Shield and P365XL for months. I've put 50 rounds through both on rentals. I found XL is more comfortable for someone who had "smaller" hands like myself.
As a LEO, Sig 365 XL is the best EDC out there, many of my parters agree. Couldn’t imagine carrying anything else. Love it.
@@LubberKing I agree. We’re only mandated to shoot quarterly.
@@LubberKing around 80. Sucks.
@@LubberKing I agree. Funding is the issue. We carry a 40 cal MP.
@@TomTom-lv3ou must be a trooper
My favorite configuration is the XL frame with a p365 reg slide. Sig makes this model now. P365 X. I carry in a vedder pocket holster. Very comfortable and I really like the XL frame. My two cents. I enjoy your videos.
interesting, for me for a carry weapon I prefer the regular short p365 grip with the longer XL slide
Agreed
Yep, smaller grip is what hides better and longer barrel/slides recoils better. Definitely the better setup of the two hybrids.
Vedder is a great company
The P365 is the ultimate do-everything pistol if you could only buy one. Small enough to conceal with ease, but with enough capacity to clear a building. If you have the budget, you can buy multiple pistols to better fulfill different use cases. But the P365 can do it all.
Man best lines I’ve heard this is why it’s my edc as well as my first firearm I ever purchased
The trigger is absolute dog shit though
@@johnnyjimenez222 same dude. When I save up I’ll get a full-size P320 but for now, this thing is perfect.
Agree. Used to own a shield but fed up with S&W "service"
@@John-uo1qf if you need to contact the service department, why would you ever carry that gun?
Love my shield plus with fiber optics. I swap it in & out with my bp9cc & taurus 856 ul. The Plus feels SO good in hand.
I just purchased the original Shield (CA Compliant) with Bass Pro gift cards (been saving them for a while, this Christmas put the finishing touch on what was needed).
I had a hard time finding one since the newer 2.0 and Plus that you can't buy I California, have basically phased out the original Shield. I was told there were only 2 left
in all the Bass Pro Shops. The one I bought is a sales/demo gun out of the case. I bought it sight unseen, since California hasn't allowed new guns basically since 2012
or 2013. They have in a sense banned new guns by requiring the manufacturer to micro engrave the firing pin so the primer on the spent casing can be identified. Absolutely
ridiculous. Of course, no manufacturer is going to do this. If they change the name or grip of a gun it has to go through all the tests, and drop tests again even though it is internally the same firearm. They are creating loopholes to take away our second amendment rights. I can't purchase the "new" version of a gun that was introduced in 2017. California Sucks!
My condolences for you living in such a freedom crippling state.
I recommend an Apex trigger for your Shield, if the commie overlords will allow it.
@@bannedbycommieyoutube5time920agree 100%
I love my shield, moat accurate compact pistol I've owned.
Hey buddy...time to get the hell out of that communist state...seems a bunch of businesses and people are leaving there...I did a while ago...best move I ever made...good luck
The P365 xl is a great platform. Regarding your light primer strike check the spring cup on your striker assembly. For a while Sig was using a one piece spring cup which may have been limiting the amount the striker could protrude from the breech face resulting in possibly sporadic light primer strikes. This was discussed on a Sig forum. I believe they have gone back to the two piece spring cup which alleviates the issue. At least by verifying that you have the 2 piece spring cup you could eliminate that as a possible cause.
How do you identify the one piece vs two piece spring cup?
@@veniceflorida9550 You would have to remove the striker assembly from the slide and then visually inspect the spring cup(s). There are many helpful videos on youtube on how to remove the striker assembly if you're comfortable doing more than a basic field strip. If not, a local gunsmith would be able to assist you. Some helpful youtube channels would be Sig Guy, Mcarbo, but there are more. Good luck
One piece spring cup.... and there are how many poorly designed sigs in peoples hands. Bad on Sig.
You shouldn’t have to work on a gun to make it reliable. It should be reliable out of the box. That’s one thing you can say about Glock- whether you like them or not. And that is the reason some agencies/ units that can purchase any weapon they want without budget considerations choose model 19/17.
Never thought I’d buy a micro gun when they first got popular. I shoot bigger guns a lot better. But the conceal-ability & capacity level were hard to ignore. I went with the Shield plus & now it’s time to shoot it!
Shot the shield plus terribly. Got the 365xl and It fits me better and so much easier to Shoot.
@@moradfares6908 It's not the gun, it's you. Lol. Yeah, you gotta be comfortable with a gun. That's why I dislike Glocks. Not comfortable in my hand.
@@DS..69 obviously! Lol. I don’t like how any of the smith and wessons feels in my hand.
Both are serious considerations by quality companies. If you can't have both, for me, I choose the Sig 365XL.
I carried the original Shield for a long time, then came the P365 and the Hellcat shortly after and between those two I chose the Hellcat just because it fit me better. Then Sig came out with the P365X and it changed everything for me, I love the longer grip of the P365X vs the original P365, plus it's optic cut and has the fantastic flat faced trigger. I've updated my P365X with the Wilson Combat grip module and the Magguts kits with their awesome baseplate which fits perfectly with the Wilson Combat grip module and it adds 2 more rounds bringing my capacity to 14+1 which is Glock 19 territory! I am very very happy with my P365X mounted with the Holosun 407k and I think I've made it the perfect carry gun for me.
This is where I'm at I get my Hellcat on the 27th of this month but my local gun store just got in the P365X and It felt so good in my hand I'm seriously considering canceling the Hellcat purchase for the P365X.
Not sure still but I really liked the feel of the P365X I'm really on the fence.........
Part of me wants to just stick with the Hellcat since its easier to conceal and I already bought gear for it.
I'm really torn between the two guns.
Not only do I admire Hickok collection of fine weaponry but more than that I admire his never ending pot of gold....I have to acquire one of those....
Sold my Shield for a P365 and couldn't be happier. Also, I put the Magguts +2 spring kits in both my 12rd carry magazines. I love having 14+1 with a 14rd backup in a P365 size package.
Me too, I sold my shield and purchased the P365 and couldn’t be happier.
I bought the Tac PAC with all 12 round mags, I hate that holster, it doesn’t fit after I installed the Lima Green Laser, I can’t see owning a different EDC, I have a couple different PCC’s, but I refuse to switch up my P365, no way…✋
Good evening my brother in arms! I was watching other videos about the Sig P365 and they had the same issue with light primer strikes. The "Fire Army Guy" did a gauntlet test with this gun, but before they started he just did some random shots with the Sig along with the other guns he was testing and the Sig had numerous light primer strikes. Just FYI! Keep up the great work, I have learned so much! Have a blessed day!
I hear the Cardinal in the background, Great Audio.
You're input on fire arms and skills with them are second to none ☺️
So glad to see your videos are back up already.
I carry a SR9c, and have for many years. Some ask me why I pick that pistol over my P365x, G43, or Hellcat? My answer is; I'm accurate with it and it's dependable. The main thing is carry whatever your confident with. What you trust to hang your life or your family's life on. That's all that matters.
I purchased the SR9c on a whim. It was used, payed 125 at a gunshop for it. Put all Galloway upgrades in it and took it to the range. I fell in love and that's what I trust
I loved how the shield felt and I carried for a couple years but it wasn't a good gun sight wise. I sold it got the P365 and loved it so much I bought 2nd.
I love my 365XL. I was rooting for it the entire video. That light primer strike was such a disappointment! Mine has been flawless since I bought it. I have well over 1,000 rounds through it, and carry it daily. I hope you chapter 2 the issue.
I've owned 3 p365s from wheeling and dealing firearms. 2 I had 500 rounds through, 1 I had over 2500. Zero problems surprisingly enough.
@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309 Again, not surprising..........
I own the P365XL, never had an issue and shoots just as soft as my larger frame HK. Such a well-made firearm. In fact, only gun I had a light primer strike with was my Glock 27
I’d put a lot of money on that being a mag issue tbh
@@dhuffu Yes, and I think it was the 15 round mag.
I couldn’t rent with one in my area, so I bought both. The P365XL fit my hand best, had NO malfunctions in about 1,000 rds, and is my keeper (I did add the Wilson Combat grip module). The other was sold immediately because it’s also a good and desirable firearm - just didn’t feel as good for me. We live in a great time for small pistols…. .
That light primer strike is the reason you train with your weapon. IPSC competition will teach you to react to those situations.
We definitely live in an awesome time with all the options we have in carry guns especially when it comes to the smaller guns with really good capacity. I love my P365 XL but I also have a Hellcat that I love as well. It just comes down to where I'm going and what I'm wearing. Personally I like going with the biggest gun I can get away with within reason and again that just comes back to all the options we have these days. Great video as always keepem coming brother!!!
With the XL and a 15 round mag as a reload, I really don't feel I need any larger of a gun. I shoot it for fun, I legitimately love shooting it, and I shoot it as well as any full size.
Can you compare a bit the 365 and Hellcat in your shooting experience? Thanks!
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Hogue grip for the 365XL is amazing. Makes the gun feel perfect. Best part is it's only like 13$. You won't regret it.
Thanks, man! I just ordered one because of your post. You got a good deal. I paid just under $21 (after shipping and tax).
@@mikeheckman4995 what's your 1 yr+ take on that hogue grip
@@PJ-mj1hy I wouldn't do without it. Love it.
i came across a used shield plus going for $250. I couldn't pass it up. I love this piece. Probably 300 rounds of fmj and hollow points combined and zero issues. It replaced my edc gun
I bought the XL, then replaced the grip module with a standard p365 grip module. I can now use 10 or 12 round magazines, and share them all with my P356 - yep, I have one of those also. The advantage is interchangeability and smaller size for pocket carry. 💯
Aftermarket support for P365 and its modular nature give it several distinct advantages over any of the sub-compact options today.
You can literally order an FCU, pick the frame you want, slide, barrel, sights, manual safety vs slick, 365 vs XL frame, and build it out how you want.
Add to that how shootable they are in high-volume, plus the reliability and SIG really knocked it out of the park with the P365.
I have been rotating thru carry guns for about 35 years. I love my P365, and am staying with it until someone comes out with a better pistol.......which I can't see being likely.
I've shot the 365. It's a good shooter, but I love my shield plus. Not too big for a summer/t-shirt carry, but you don't feel like you're compromising anything by carrying it with its capacity. It's also got a better trigger imo. S&W nailed it with the new triggers and the new texturing.
Shield plus is too big for pocket carry
I have a Shield and I never liked it. I ended up getting a Walther PPS M2 and I love it. Shoots great, comfortable to carry and strips down like a Glock.
It’s hard to beat a pps m2.
There are a lot of options out there lately but it really seems to come down to these two. I went with the P365 XL but I swapped out its grip for the smaller module.
I came down to these two while on my search. I rented both at a range, I was more accurate with the shield plus, so I bought it (win win because it was also cheaper by a good margin). Both comfy in the hands and capacity for size is good
It's down to Shield Plus, P365, and Hellcat.
@@finalcountdown7658 hellcat is a fun gun.
I have a 365 XL with A 407K mounted and orange aftermarket front sight. Also picked up a Hellcat Pro with the Mcarbo trigger kit and modded it out. Threw on a TLR-7A, EPS Carry, Talon grips, Apex Threaded barrel, she's a beauty.
Finally someone with some sense. What I always hear is people buying the smallest newest thing then making it bigger.
I am a sig guy, love my 320's. But before the 365 , I carried a shield forever. Now that almost all options are out. The 365 was too small, then I really wanted the 365xl, and finally the shield added several rounds & only a 1/8" more width to grip. So the shield which almost all you tubers agree has best trigger and already had the small pistol world dominated for a long time is a no brainer to me. But please go to LGS and choose yourself.
I bought an M&P shield plus last summer and an very happy with it. Got almost 500 rounds through it and it carries great 😃👍
When the P320 fell flat on its face during military tests I noticed the Glock 19 finishing in the top two every time. I kept this in mind. So when I had the opportunity to steal a used gen 3 for 300 bucks I bought it. I did so with the idea of creating what some called a Gucci Glock. After giving it every possible upgrade for range only purposes I soon discovered (after 1000 rounds) that I had put together a pistol with a 3 3/4 to 4 lb trigger, a barrel with 1911 accuracy, and the proven dependability to be an EDC. I enjoyed building it so much that I did the same with my Shield 1.0.
It appears from your videos that you have an affinity towards SigSauer systems. Being the owner of several older models like the P210 and the P5 more commonly known as the P225, I would also agree that appraisal. But what I’ve seen of their firearms within the last few years makes me a little skittish when it comes to their reliability.
Slide lock/release works a lot better with a loaded magazine. It's hard to drop the slide on nearly any gun when the magazine is empty.
@@Iliek the slide lock is actuated by the follower in the magazine once the magazine is empty. When you load a loaded magazine, the follower is no longer pushing the slide lock upwards, and the slide lock is easy to push down because the only thing holding it up is the pressure of the slide pushing on it. In other words, you have to overcome the pressure from the slide release spring as well as the magazine spring when the magazine is empty, versus only the pressure of the slide itself when the magazine is full. On an empty magazine, it's easier to release the slide by pulling backwards while simultaneously pushing the slide release downwards.
I love my Shield Plus, the only issues I’ve had with it was due to swollen reloaded ammo I bought on the cheap during the ammo gouging and shortage. To the Shield Pluses defense it also jammed a Canik TP9SFX.
I definitely wouldn’t say the Shield Plus is the best EDC or a do everything pistol. No sight cuts or Picatinny railing is a sore spot and from what I heard the S&W customer disservice is legendary.
All in all I love my Shield Plus as it works flawlessly for my EDC.
Sig 365X with MagGuts +2 flush fit mag. 15 rounds on tap in a subcompact is amazing
Love, LOVE my P365X - with the Wilson Combat grip module. Carry perfection! Through a couple thousand rounds, it has performed perfectly.
I favor the Shield and picked up a Plus last month. Haven't shot the XL, just the P365. With my monster claws, it was harder to control and felt noticeably snappier. Those with smaller hands would probably have no issues.
Definitely shoot both before buying.
The grip module for the X and XL models makes a huge difference.
You favor the shield because you literally didn’t try the other one 😸
I've got great big fat hands but I love the 365 grip. It is tiny, but that also means the gun doesn't have room to move in my hands.
I tried both and prefer the shield also. I actually own both though.
the P365xl is far from snappy, its EZ shootin, soft as an HK.
That grip on the 365 is just so easy to conceal.
The fact that we now have so many subcompact pistols that are very easy to shoot. I feel very blessed.
The decision gets even more difficult when you upgrade the pistols. Wilson Combat makes an excellent grip frame for the 365 family. Zev makes an extended magazine release and Magguts gives you 14 rounds in the magazine. Magguts also improves the Shield Plus capacity from 10 & 13 to 13 & 15. They both can be made much much better.
I have the 4 inch performance center shield plus and have been very pleased with it. I also own a p365 and for me the shield just feels better in my hand. The p365 feels just a tad too small. Never shot a 365 xl but it does look like it would fix my complaints about the 365. At this point though, I’m so satisfied with the shield plus that I won’t be changing carry guns for a long time.
I love my 365 XL and really liked the Shield, too. I personally think the Glock 48 fits with these two compared to the 43X, standard size P365, SA Hellcat, etc. I chose the 365 XL, but definitely don't think the 48 gets enough love.
All of them are great options. I also love my LCP Max. There are plenty of great firearms for concealed carry nowadays.
I have a G48 and a P365xl. The G48 is every bit as good as the Sig. I thought the Sig would replace the Glock but it did not. Both are very good, though.
I agree with Hickok, you have to shoot them to know. I got a 48 because it seemed like a good option. Then I rented the Plus and I shot it significantly better, even with the shorter barrel. I just like the grip angle and trigger much better.
I've tried several versions of the Shield over the years. I've hated the slippery grips and the triggers. Give the Sig P365 every day. In fact, that's what I do. It's my carry. But... I know a lot of people who love the various Shields, and that's awesome. Variety!
I love that after all these years, the 2 litre bottles still make you chuckle.
I have been with Glocks since the 90's and started getting M&P's 10-12 years ago. I don't alternate carry pistols, I carried a performance center shield for the past few years. Last Aug. I got a Sig 365XL to give it a try, after a few trips to the range, I gave the shield to my Wife so she can carry it instead of a M&P 9c. I have not purchased any larger Sig pistols yet, but 365XL has been awesome so far. Added a Holosun optic to it and like it even more. After my Wife shot it, looks like we will be getting her a 365XL or 365X next trip to the gun shop, then adding a Holosun optic to it.
The p365 xl is my carry pistol and with the magguts mag kit it can hold 14 plus 1. Best carry pistol hands down
Any issues with the mag guts? I bought magguts for a lcp and it jammed constantly. Was thinking about trying again for my xl
Since Sig has 15 round OEM mags, why a mag kit?
It’s crazy how the P365xl is pretty much the same size as the Shield Plus yet holds 2 extra rds and has a significantly longer barrel
cries in CA mag laws
I have the P365,P365XL and the Hellcat pro and love all 3 of them.
which has less recoil?
My daily carry is a M&P 40c that I had onl 1 misfire but with a Promag . Now I use that magazine at the range.
Personally, I was down to the M&P Shield Plus and P365 as my choices for EDC. I ended up going with the P365 for one simple reason. It just felt better in my hand.
I have the 365x and the mags are ridiculously expensive.
I shot both, liked both but the shield felt better in my hand so I went with the plus. There both great guns no doubt
Excellent reasoning for sure
Whenever a gun misses i assume its the firearms fault because hickok is way too accurate haha
Man can shoot.
This is what I’ve been saying for years asking for someone to compare these FINALLY
I have an M&P Shield Plus and love it. 13+1 in a compact gun. Perfect. Tried the Hellcat and it felt nice, but the trigger seemed a little weird to me in comparison to the shield. Not sure if anyone else had the same experience? They're both great guns. Thanks Hickok for your effort in these fantastic videos!
Same experience and I swapped the hellcat with a apex trigger. Shield still shot better.
Dj Freemam.. same here. 1st generation Hellcat trigger safety was too thin and wiggled. I put on the Apex trigger and it's much better. But the Shield plus is still a favorite, albeit over priced as I see it.
the flat trigger is easily the best part of the gun. short travel, feels like your snapping a piece of glass with a quick solid reset.
@@djfreeman1829 Would You prefer the Shield plus over the Hellcat pro ?
I like my shield. Fits my hand perfectly although the cary capacity of the sig gives me fomo. Either way I feel very safe with a shield.
I own both and love both! That said I definitely shoot the plus much better
I owned a regular P365 and had serious accuracy issues with it. Before those gun experts out there hop onto my comment thread, I had three shooting instructors/combat veterans shoot the P365 and we all had the same accuracy issues. It was shooting 2 inches low, and 4 inches left. I carry a 4.25” M&P and can drill the bullseye with pretty much every handgun I pick up. A friend of mine that is left handed (also combat veteran and a hell of a shooter) shot it, and it had the opposite results. We compared the P365 to similar sized guns such as a Glock 43X, G26, XDm, Hellcat, etc. all of us never had a issue with any other of those guns. I adjusted the sights and still never could figure the problem out. I bought a new barrel and had the same issue. I finally sent the gun to Sig and they said they could not figure out the problem either. So, I ultimately sold the gun to a gun shop and walked away from Sig. I want to love the Sig, but I’ve had terrible experiences with them. My left handed friend had bought the M17 and M18. We went shooting and he had a hard extraction on a round he fired. Quality ammo was used. Sheered the extractor off. Loaded the same ammo from that magazine into a Beretta M9A3 and a Glock 45 9mm and it shot and extracted every round from that Sig magazine. We both had the wide eyed look at each other since it was a brand new gun. He ultimately sold one and wants to sell the other. It is pretty unacceptable that happened, especially the amount of money he paid for it and if that was a real self defense scenario, he would have been screwed.
I love my P365XL with a Romeo red dot and I do IWB carry and sometimes I pocket carry with an Alabama holster. All good with this one.
I love my Shield in 45ACP
Same good pick sir 👍🏼
Love the Sigs but it seems we are always having to explain a failure. I'll just carry my G43X with flush fit 15 round S15 mags and I never have to explain a failure. It just shoots and shoots.
S15 mags will fail quickly unless you upgrade the mag catch also.
So, sure mod yours to make it better, you can do that with any gun. But out of the box the Sig is far superior to the Glock 43X. Better ergos, better finish, flat face metal trigger, 12 and 15 round factory mags, night sights, longer barrel, stainless construction, steel sights, metal mags. Glock sucks man. I hate to say it but, they suck. They were great in the 80's and 90's. Now they are just ok overall with good reliability. Far from perfect like people try to claim.
Until the metal mag body wears off your mag catch and your mag falls out.
@@andrewgee241 I have a metal mag catch. ;-)
Ive never had a failure with my P365XL or my other SIG 45. In fact, only gun I had a failure with was a light primer strike in my Glock 27 40cal.
@@fettmaneiii4439 well that settles it.
I have several carry guns but my P365XL is my favorite. I mounted a Holosun red dot on it.
Attended a recent gun show... plan was to purchase Glock 43x... I got pandora's box syndrome , curious cat... and had to measure touch and feel the rivals. SHIELD, is heavy blocky, bigger than what I was after. Glock fan, but I picked up the Sig P365... the size alone won it for me. But the future will tell how good the thin magazine walls, spring hold up. Loaded some hollow points in sig, tried unloading out top and the bullet didn't pop out due to short slide top... little concern, about bullet getting almost stuck in chamber, but yes I went with the P365 over 43x.... for now.
I test to see how the bullets clear out unloading out the slide top
I LOVE my 365XL. I have my gen 2 shield which I like as well. I debated trading in my gen2 for the performance center for the nicer trigger but I like having the wider grip, high capacity of the 365 and slimmer single stack shield.
Put a apex in the shield. Big difference
@@mach1yell66 I put one in my Gen 1 M&P and love it however I am not a huge fan of messing with triggers on carry guns. 🤷♂️
P365XL for the WIN! Best pistol ive ever shot!!
I carry a M&P shield 9 they are very concealabul and I have no problem with the controls but then I have very strong hands I spent 25 years working as a block and stone mason , as for the thin grip I put a tallen grip on and a2 round extension and it fits my hands nicely and I'm a big guy of 6' 3" , I have carried it in my pocket put prefer a sholder holster when it's all said and done I like it I'm wanting to pick up a M&P sheild in the 40S&W
I’ve not experienced a light primer strike on my 365xl, hundreds of rounds of various ammo fired and nothing but smooth shooting. Seeing that here and reading comments about it being a known issue has my ears perked up…
I’ve had 2 light Strikes with my Sig XL out of about 700 rounds. Trigger has always been crisp but sounds like a spring BB gun to me.
I've had light primer strikes too.
Hey Hickok - I've been enjoying your vids for quite a while now. Someone may have covered this below. I just picked up a P365 and the striker channel was quite full of thick grease. I cleaned it up before ever shooting and I see nice deep primer strikes. You might check that out if you haven't. It's not a good place for a shock absorber. I used a few Q-Tips followed up with brake cleaner. Hope that helps someone. Keep up the good work!
page 56 in the manual says; "DO NOT LUBRICATE THE STRIKER OR ALLOW LUBRICANT TO FLOW INTO THE STRIKER CHANNEL OF THE SLIDE.
THIS MAY CAUSE A LIGHT STRIKE TO THE CARTRIDGE, RESULTING IN A FAILURE TO FIRE."
So that could be the cause right there.
For me a Hoge slip on rubber grip on both work great.
That’s what I had to do my shield plus!