The Most Controversial Mechanic in GAMING HISTORY - Elden Ring
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- Elden Ring has the same feature other Souls games have: PvP Invasions. This feature, while loved by many... is DESPISED by a HUGE portion of the playerbase and souls-like community. Ranni the witch and a special guest tell you all about it!
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Uh… some guy who called me Lambkin told me to become one
I invade mostly for the sake of having fun in a game I have already beaten many, many times.
Still I am upset that this is a mechanic that hasn’t been further explored in over a decade and Miyazaki keeps neglecting invaders and multiplayer even though it keeps the game alive 😭
i never got invaded in dark souls 1 because i played the prepare to die edition but only after the servers went offline :( i never got to experience the bad red men.
Getting invaded is in no way different to getting randomly assaulted by Horde animals who think Stranglethorn Valley is their territory 😤
Weapon is the best thrusting sword in the game: cleanrot knight's sword
Miyazaki: “I want invaders to feel like very strong enemies roaming the world.”
Elden Ring: “Invaded by BallsDeep69420.”
Ha. I understood that reference. Good ol’ Klein.
Oh my God, it's the legendary warrior Ballsdeep69.
@SonarClash yeah xe
“MY NAME IS KLEIN!”
@@SonarClashlol me too
I clicked on this expecting to hear someone cosplaying as Ranni.
I didn't expect to hear Ranni hyped up on Adderal.
10/10
At any rate. My experience with invasions is mostly through my friends because for whatever reason it just doesn't happen to me. I don't play modded souls-likes often either, and when I do it's convergence with Seamless Co-oP.
There was one time I got invaded without knowing that it could happen in DS III and I got pushed into the Giants Arrow in the Undead Settlement. Mans name was Koman Dongh.
Bro, this IS Rannis channel. After the age of stars ending, she opened this channel from space and developed a "moon dust" habit.
What do you think makes that moon so white?
@@rhiannonz85 Deepest lore
"Name was russel"
@@rhiannonz85 She had to get a side job as her new consort is a jobless fool who talks to dolls
The biggest issue is the way elden rings invasion requirements are rn, it pits invaders against only 2 types of people, the people who just want to chill with their friends and explore the game, and the people who want to abuse the system to destroy invaders, neither of which are healthy for the games 'ecosystem'
This is miyazakis grand vision for us all
Nothing better than getting two mates and taunting invaders into the stair case before radagons fight
No where to run like little bitches and they get stomped over and over in a corner until they get off the game
Never gets old watching maggots who are hoping to get the jump on someone forced off the game because they keep being farmed 🤣🤣🤣
Souls players when you introduce the foreign concept of "friends" (It sounds like a consumable that lowers difficulty)
IMHO the best type of invaders are those who intentionally kill phantoms first when possible. A fair amount of hosts will at least try if they feel like they might have a chance, because they have a friend or two with them. Sure, a fair amount of hosts would just disconnect if their phantoms are killed, but at least the invader had fun by pvping against the phantoms.
Most of the time, the best pvp experience is through red sign duels, but for many people, the ability to knowingly go into pvp where they know they are outnumbered is fun.
I just think that the pve crowd gets too worried about losing their "progression" when they get invaded. In Elden Ring this is really much less of an issue as there are so many graces compared to the prior games....But it would be nice to have slower cooldowns. I can understand the PVE crowd getting frustrated with being invaded multiple times in a row. Feels like there should be a cooldown timer.
I feel like gank squads are the way bigger problem than people just trying to chill. Those people existed in the other games, and now they have so many advantages they only lose because casual elden ring players are 15 vigor entering liurnia, or they are just all extremely inexperienced. Those people simply have a mindset problem, they don't see invasions the way miyazaki sees it, they literally see it as a bully coming to hurt them. I've been the only person who supports invading in a discord server full of people that think grinding runes is necessary to get powerful, or that unpatch their game to keep broken versions of old weapons like SoNaF, they all despise invaders, or swapped to playing seamless coop so they don't have to deal with them.
Omfg, time stamp 0:46. The guy trying to get to Murkwater is getting invaded by the NPC invader and thinks that its a real person XD
pls I'm dying
idk, i think there's a reason the most popular mod for this game is seamless co-op. think its at like 3m downloads.
many people just don't care for it. imbalanced weapons, still using p2p of all things in 2024 so it's a latency nightmare(proc buildup on dodged attacks for example), you've got your own video on the ridiculous state of parrying, twinks, etc. if people wanted to pvp, they'd go to the coliseum or lay down a dueling sign. there's even the taunter's tongue. but it's still imposed on co-op and it sucks. i feel like the closest miyazaki got to his "vision" was the giant jar warriors. npc tarnished based on real players.
elden ring made big strides in moving away from the more obnoxious things in past games. stakes of marika, groups refilling flasks, and scarabs help casuals without making the game worse and i believe invasions would be the same if they removed the forced nature of it. the tools are there for everyone who wants to partake. and if no one partakes, then perhaps that shows maybe it wasn't a very good mechanic after all. because it's not as if pvp is an unpopular idea; the most popular games on earth are all/have pvp.
Finally some gets it I agree 100 percent
I would say being invaded is a problem when players are being douchebags or just straight up cheating.
Thats 95% of the time so yeah, thats why "people are mad" -.-"""
@@MemoryMori Straight up lie, it's very rare to find a cheater nowadays and all you need to do is block them
@@KnightLennychainsaw glitchers are fairly common right now actually, still not super common but not too rare either. The main issue is people running toxic builds like dual spears which are just unfun to fight against
@@MemoryMori you’re definitely a pc player, those problems are only noticeable on pc. haven’t seen a chainsaw glitcher on ps4 in months and I will invade and duel in the arena for max 10 hours a day on my days off. also taunters tongue to get invader fights so I get the full spectrum of PvP.
@@dylanking1335 yes Im a PC player....does it change a thing about the topic?
My experience with invasions is: playing offline 100%.
You're just like me fr
Try leveling Vigor and Endurance, put on a good armor, then beat them to a pulp with Shield Poke. If they run off somewhere, let them! Wait for your blues. 🤣
@@aihope8350 what sux is when you're running a strength build and get a dex invader with bad ping issues.
There's no need to play offline in Elden Ring. Just don't ever click the multiplayer item.
Offline invaders are worse than PC invaders, in my opinion.
my favorite thing is when people are invaded right next to a bonfire/site of grace, they lose literally *nothing* from dying next to it, but they will still act like fighting you is the single handed worst thing you could have done to them
The invader dying also has no consequences either and I have spent literal hours waiting for an invader to stop trying and leave or die right next to a grace because we just barely joined each other's world. This would happen 2-3 times a night to the point we spent 5 hours getting to the second bonfire of the ringed city. I'm sorry I don't see the fun in wasting hours of my time just because I want to hang out with my friend.
@@dosdosru371Ringed city? Like in Dark Souls 3? Grab a seed of a giant and pop it, now the invader has to deal with all the enemies on top of you
@@dosdosru371 everything you just said shows that the problem is with you and your attitude towards it
@@dosdosru371 You had a persistent single invader?
That does sound quite strange. How many players did you have for coop? I found myself invading ones with four frequently(when I wasn't summoned for the Spears Of The Church).
Anyways,aside from the excellent advice given by Mr ghoulishgoober, the obvious question lies with the skill of your own host and friend; invaders are surprise obstacles that exist to test that skill, using the standard of a similarly levelled player. Believe me, I have been (and am still) a Warrior Of Sunlight, and have felt the frustration of seeing my host die dozens of times.
My frustration, however, isn't directed at my obstacles; it is directed at the host, and myself for failing to do my job in protecting the host,depending on the situation.
Sometimes, I am busied by some enemy or the other, leaving my host vulnerable. Sometimes, my host does an incredibly stupid move, and dies despite my best efforts. Sometimes, I do an incredibly stupid move and die myself.
It does not matter of what kills me or him is an enemy, or an invader, or even fall damage. What matters is how I learn to sharpen myself against them, and pray my hosts learn the same.
I know none of them personally, but I help them to the best of my ability.
and then they disconnect
Primary reasons invasions suck imho:
1. Nobody understands Miyazaki' intentions because the games do a terrible job explaining them.
2. The multiplayer community is unbelievably toxic and unwholesome.
Get Gud then
@@Spartan73799 neither of these problems are related to skill
skill issue
@@dustrockblues7567 he's just proving your point
Get gud is understandable....but invading now usually I'm noticing is a 3v1...and it's usually 3 bullgoats with double spears, that immediately jump you. What happened to invading and actually having a duel lmao. It's like troll fest now.
I think what players need more than anything is incentive to PVP. when you struggle and overcome a boss, you are rewarded with runes or souls or blood echos among other potential drops that help you on your journey. If you get invaded and you overcome your opponent you're rewarded with a meager handful of currency and sometimes a humanity equivalent depending on the game. Nioh lets you collect gear from other players (I know it's not technically an invasion) which I think is awesome. Any incentive at all to pvp beyond just doing it for fun would help the community flourish greatly.
People who enjoy PvP don't need much incentive beyond the rush of "I'm better than you". Fighting games and FPS' give ranks and in game currency. But I hope you're not suggesting literally taking gear out of another player's inventory or build just because they lost, because that's a really shitty incentive. You lost a fight therefore you lose gear you've spent likely hours trying to get? That would only piss more people off.
@@nojusticenetwork9309 If Miyazaki wants people to play with pvp as a constant threat to those who don't want it then he needs to give those people an incentive to not just turn off their console or wifi when they get invaded. In Nioh you're not stealing gear, you're rewarded with a replica. It works in that game because the loot is Diablo style with randomized stats. I don't know what the reward would be in Elden Ring. I would be ecstatic if there were cosmetic rewards within the shallow armor alteration system. 1/10th of a level of runes is not something casuals are going to risk their progress for.
Agree, but if you have fun making it difficult for others to have a co-op sess, then bruh
Nah I’d gank
@@nojusticenetwork9309Invaders do have that incentive. The invaded dont. So there should be some stakes placed. It would be a lot more thrilling if you knew that by invading you risk your precious belongings. Same thing otherwise, as an invaded, you have the incentive of knowing you will get some very nice piece of equipment. Or, in case the loot doesnt matter for you, you know you will at least screw the guy who interrupted your session.
I don't suffer invasions not because i don't invite them, but because my computer goes slow enough that Elden ring outright prohibits me from online play even with the lowest graphics
Low-end computer gaming B)
@@goodmangreats8650 You clearly outgun me good man.
Playing the DLC at 18 FPS team LETSGOOOOOO...... =(
The only time I've complained about an invader was when I was like level 30 and newer to the game. Its kinda funny being invaded because half the time they're chill. One time I was summoned as a hunter and the host got killed in front of me, so me and the invader just bowed to eachother before we disappeared.
Back in Dark souls 1, that's why I did most of the playthrough in hollow form unless I was planning to make a run for a crazy hard boss I knew would at least have an NPC summon nearby, and when an invader appeared before I could reach the boss I just grit my teeth, fought my best, and actually mannaged a win rate of . . . I think around 2 wins to 7 losses.
For Dark souls 2, the fact that there was no non invadable state was very annoying, and the anti invasion seed really wasn't much help since I tended to go for a 'clear the level as I go' approach.
I did use the seed twice though, once in Eleum Loyce when an invader attacked me for a bit then retreated into a courtyard full of strong enemies I hadn't gotten round to taking out one by one yet. I gave them about a minute to come back out, but they stayed so I used the seed. The other time, I'd just bonfired and was about to quit out of the game for the night, when suddenly I got pulled out of the bonfire by an invader. I was really annoyed, but then I noticed that all the enemies were respawned, and the invader was nowhere near so I used the seed and just waited for a bit. When they got to me I was able to take them out.
In Dark Souls 3 I mostly followed my approach from DS1, and thus mostly got invaded after beating a boss and entering the next area embered up. Sometimes the invader killed me, sometimes it would be the world hazards, I think I mannaged to take down one but I'm not sure.
And in Elden ring I only co-oped once and I've never gotten invaded. I do not miss the invasions at all.
Call me old fashioned but when I invade, I run up, let host hit thier buffs, we bow and start the duel. Often now I'll run up, try and bow and the host and two friends are already jumping me. Like what happened to honor lmao
I think the issue most players have difficulty articulating is that they want to play with friends without being invaded. The concept of invasions is cool but most people just want to play with their friends. It's a game, not a competition. You can always say "git gud" or "skill issue" but at the end of the day most co-op players dont give a flying fuck about those things.
And that's why seamless co op exists.
Play with friends against enemies, sounds like you like invasions
@@mmmao0630people want easy mode with no drawbacks, what can I say
Hear hear, the problem is that there's no way of opting out of invasions. So if you simply wanna explore the world with your friend without getting your fun spoiled by some random red hued asshat. You cannot, not without modding the game.
That's what Skyrim’s for.
Elden Ring is obviously not designed for having a chill time. Idk why people keep expecting this.
While you might be right from a strictly game's mechanics point of view, and right about the self improvement part, there are multiple counter arguments to be made :
Most people are not hardcore souls players. They play occasionally and seek the thrill of have fun and feel the reward of finally defeating a really hardcore boss. And when the boss is really too much for them, then they will invite co-op to their world in an attempt to make the game easier. Not realizing they in fact made it a lot harder due to the "non consensual" invitation of being invaded.
Most of the time. invaders are skilled, if not insanely skilled. Sure, the player being invaded could learn fro the experience, but most of the time they won't. Because they are not PvP oriented and are not seeking to be good at PvP. The skill gap between the 2 is way too large and deep. It will just be an overwhelming stomp.
Not to mention latency, which makes the game feels like all the mechanics have to be re-learn all over again.
On the other hand, people invading other player world do it with the purpose of PvP. they are not PvE oriented, and most of the time have a lot of experience doing it. They are here because they are trying to "ruin" someone's run. Therefore them being at an imbalanced disadvantage is in my eyes the fair thing to do. Even if it means on occasions the invader will fall into a trap of a great PvP team that was just waiting for him to invade... At equal skill, the invader always loses. But most of the time again, skill is on the invader' side...
Lastly, the whole argument regarding PvP in general is not a valid one. if people wants to PvP, the game provide means to do it. There is an arena, and the community generally agree to meet at Raya Lucaria to have "PvP duels". Where all the people involved are here of the PvP and are seeking a human opponent.
PvP in Elden Ring is almost a complete different game than PvE in Elden Ring. And I am one whom play (almost) exclusively PvE elden Ring and Hate being invaded when I help a friend explore a map. Because my build is meant for PvE, and I don't want to face a invader with better skills than me, who knows the map better than me, to whom the map's mob won't aggro, while the game expect me, who hardly knows how my build works in PvE, to protect my friend who hardly knows how to roll to begin with...
I will first learn Elden Ring in PvE, and then, if I feel like closing the immense gap between my skills and the invaders' skills in PvP, I will try my hands in PvP. But until then, the game is challenging enough with just PvE. And If to avoid PvP, that means I essentially soft ban myself from Co-op, then it's a major game's flaw in my eyes.
And while I hear the argument about self improving, I'd prefer to improve on my terms, not being forced down my throat by unwillingly inviting invaders to destroy me...
In all games, there is always a separation between its single player based players, and its multiplayer based players. Prime example would be the Total war : Warhammer... allowing PvP into a player's game who wants, and only wants to PvE is not a good idea in my mind...
At least I am not usually vocal about it. But I hate not being able to enjoy the game with my friend, because we all are very casuals, and we all know we are as good as dead the second the invasion message pops up.
Yeah, if you guys are wondering, we had terrible experience being invaded. Like I said, to the point I soft banned myself from Co-op (unless we are right in from of the boss "golden door").
(Sorry about the Novel. Its the first time I publicly speak about it, and I had to let it go for once...)
Well said. Other p v p games have matchmaking involved, not in Elden ring
You forgot to mention COOP also makes enemy mob and boss HP double or even triple depending how many you summoned. So for a new player struggling its not 'easy' mode with coop, your summoned coop players only get half their flasks as well which in harder boss fights is a challenge on its own. Invasions just bring it to a whole new level of unfair and unpredictability most coop pve players do not care for that pvp players relish in. Its no different if you took like a Halo Multiplayer player and they could invade your Halo coop campaign mission, they'd completely destroy those 2 players without question.
There are three very easy ways for Fromsoft to make new players more likely to engage in pvp. That is to stop making co-op take a resource, stop making players lose "rare" resources when they die in pvp, and stop limiting where you can summon random people.
As the game currently works, you have to use a resource to summon other players to begin with. This resource isn't very hard to get as you can literally craft it within the first few minutes of starting up a new save. This begs the question of why it is a requirement to begin with and not just make it so you can just turn on the ability to see summon signs to begin with. If you happen to die, it's not like having to make another one if you somehow ran out is a major inconvenience. Do you know what is a major loss though when you die? Losing an active Rune arc. Technically, Rune arcs aren't hard to get either. But since they cannot be crafted, they actually do feel like a limited resource that will always be on the back of the average Joe's mind when they see the invasion message pop up. All of that, though, would still be fine if co-oping in Elden Ring wasn't such a hassle. Why can't we co-op with randoms anywhere? Why does it have to be at predetermined statues scattered across the landscape? It's not to prevent people from only summoning in front of boss doors as we can still choose to do that by manually putting our summon signs at the door. Furthermore, why are we kicked from the game when a boss dies, and why are we limited by zone? Heck, while I'm on a roll, why not make it so the invader can attack you in the boss arena?
TL;DR: The co-op in Elden Ring and Souls games is overcomplicated for the sake of a silly "vision" and just needs to be overhauled for the long-term health of this type of game.
THANK YOU!
As I have stated to friends; it's not the PVP itself that bothers me, it's the frequency. The moment you entered an area with a different name in Elden Ring, the system would allow you to be invaded again. We'd have literally just finished a fight with an invader, took three steps into a new area of the region we were in, and immediately get invaded again. It made progression slow to a crawl and was annoying as all Hell. Resting at a Grace also reset the region, so even if we won, if we restocked our items we were immediately punished for it.
What would've fixed it entirely, at least for me, is disabling invasions for a generous period of time unless you used a specific item after defeating an invader. It would allow us to recoup, explore, and progress but not completely devalue the system as it was intended.
This, Decided to try to help a new to souls friend though the game and was getting invaded constantly, not even a "omg a tough fight" but "....ugh....already? we just fought one...."
Just have a passworded lobby system like in DS3, it would solve everything.
Funny, because the rest of the Souls game do have some sort of cooldown for invasions.
If you don’t turn on taunter’s tongue, the invasion frequency is quite normal, usually only twice between two far apart graces.
This is hilarious, seeing as the older titles actually do have a grace period between invaders popping up. The only way to disable the grace period, is to use the multiplayer item which increases the amount of invaders possible at once and frequency. And covenant invaders, like Farron iirc
I played online for like my first few hours in this game, then I switched to offline mode and never looked back, especially since I'm now using a couple of small mods.
You can play online to see the messages and bloodstains, but turn off multiplayer. That's what I do.
Okay, I will just have to explain what you all do not get. This is an *OPEN WORLD* arpg. This is *NOT* like other darksouls games. It can take you +20 minutes just to fucking ride somewhere new on the map. Which means getting invaded numerous times on your way to a new area, much less a new boss fight. Thus getting invaded repeatedly on your way to any new location is frustrating and boring. This takes the fun, excitement, and novelty out of invasion which is the point of the invasions. I mean, lets not pretend that most invader do not use the same 5 or so setups.
The answer of "just play offline" or "just use a mod" is dumb and asinine since that will take away from the pool of people you can invade. So you will get more gank squads making your invasions miserable. Thus reducing the number of PvP invaders too. PvP players need Co-op player to have someone to PvP with. If you are going to say that is just how the game works, we should bring back infinite backstabs and max level twinking then too, since that was also part of the game. Fromsoft has been tweaking and changing PvP since Demon souls since it clearly didn't match their vision of what they wanted it to be.
To everyone saying this isn't a co-op game, that is correct. It is also not a PvP game, it is a rpg. Fromsoft could turn off the servers tomorrow and it wouldn't hurt them too much. They made their bank already. They keep them up because they care for the community, and we as a community should actually work to make the game better in the future and bring more people to the multiplayer community; not shrink it.
At the end of the day, games are meant to be fun first. Sure some of that fun can come from overcoming challenges. Sure some of that fun comes from trolling people. However, when those challenges become monotonous, and the trolling becomes dry; it isn't fun. So lets not pretend like this system is perfect, or even that good honestly. Let's actually talk about how we can improve this for both sides in the DLC or future games, so we can keep this community growing getting stronger.
Now, let both sides of this discussion hang our egos at the door. Keep our victim complexes and superiority complexes at the door, and make the online community of this game a fun, interesting, and novel experience for everyone so people will be playing these games for years to come.
11:30 well, there IS a pretty easy way to tell gankers apart from casual players: the Taunter's Tongue. Make it so if the Taunter's Tongue is used, the invasion has to be a 3v2/3v3. If not tongued, the lobby can stay as a 3v1.
Why hasn't this been implemented yet?
Ganker: camps a cleared out spot, no intention to progress towards any boss
PvE-er: main objective is to progress through the level and kill the boss
😅 I just commented this, seriously it's just mean especially when you take into account that they are running some sort of meta weapon, or worse an exploit, which is often, and every single time one or all of them will BM you in some way albeit stink pots or downward point emote, ect.
Why man, I was just cosplaying as Nameless King, why you gotta do me like that.
Isn't tounge there to give you the previous souls experience in eldenring? It's there to let people who doesn't want to pvp play online. Wouldn't another solution be giving the invader some sort of buff increasing their attack/defence by x% for every minute that passes. So that the gankers have to chase them down.
Or enable friendly fire.
My only issue with invasions is that theres no reward or insentive to do it other then to have fun, if you play as a co op summon you can earn a rune arc which is useful but with the removal of covenants as well you cant even earn special rewards from invasions, its why i dont invade why would i invade when most of the time i would get ganked im just not interested in fighting a gank because i wouldnt get anything out of it other then maybe making them angry
But you do get a rune arc as an invader. The problem is they are absolutely useless when you are an invader. Mogh's rune is the only one that gives you something in invades, but again, its effect is shit.
I would like to have appreciation from some npc, that im doing "good" deeds. Imagine Mogh patting you on the head each time you kill the host
@@anewbored7526 While I dislike the thought of Mogh patting me on the head, NPC recognition would be a pretty neat thing in place of Covens
That's precisely the point in fact... We are on the internet. Give people the power to ruin someone's day and they absolutely will do it for free...
@@TeteBruleeFR or just dont play online duh or deal with it, you choose.
@@ExTremZero That's exactly my point... I don't want to deal with it, so I don't play online despite the fact that I would love to have chill co op games with my bros...
Great game, but bad game design on this part.
The evil red men shall never spoil my happy new year, Ranni! I’ll make sure of it!
Also comparing invasions to THAT subject is… uh… a TAKE alright…
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@@alstroemeriaHello, i am indeed a printer
Its a take that is accurate....
Lobotomite.
@@MemoryMori
Touch grass
DS2 is non consensual all the way. You can be hollowed to shit half health, and get invaded. I know because I have killed a few zombie looking mofos who died to a single swing of my zweihander.
Thn territory covenants are all forced invasions, and the rat covenant force summon you to another world, meaning they force an invasion on you. which was even funnier. So many layers to non-consensual invasions. Best game hands down.
dont forget the offline invaders that are ai at least in 1,3 and elden i can choose to have the chance to get invaded but ds2 yeah so fun going to iron keep and having to deal with 1 of 2 different invaders ive already seen and dealing with iron keeps bs
Agreed, I always get excited when my bonfire dims out and I gotta look alive lmao.
8:51
"The invader can be the most sweaty pvp overlord you will ever see"
*shows footage of Jeenine*
Yep, seems about right
I'd love to see how the guy who made this take actually gets invaded. Like what kind of red phantom caused that level of massive mental trauma? That's the type of devastation all invaders could aspire to, in a way.
Waifu did. It was for a video he made a year ago using a bleed-infused Godskin Peeler outfitted with Cragblade. The simpleton host and his golden phantom buddy ran headlong into him in the ramparts of Stormveil Castle, and got trounced by him. The host then sperged out and equated invasions to SA over losing
Guy probably just used moonveil.
This is what we get when we live in a society that literally caters to people’s feelings.
@@Timenaught cringe
@@DrkTide7 moonveil is funny, the wizard-away shield can parry the projectile and most times the moonveil user doesnt have the reaction time needed to dodge it cause you basically need to dodge instantly with how close-quarters you even have to be to get your transient moonlight parried XD
Since that's actually Miyazaki's original intention I'd love to see an invasion covenant/faction in ER DLC that allows players to directly take control of enemies in the host's world, like some kind of a disembodied spirit that can posssess enemies...a kind of indirect homage to the Nito Gravelord covenant in DS.
That would solve a lot of issues with twinking and such since the enemies have preset moves and equipment, that said they could get a buff when possessed by invading player or something.
i like this idea a lot
Now imagine having a moveset of a Revenant. Or a T-rex dog. Or hell, even a fat Omen with an axe. Now that's gonna be fun.
@MaximilianBrandt Yup, one of the reasons I'm excited for the DLC is seeing what they will do with any covenants they hopefully add in the DLC.
Imagine you posses one of those little silly flowers
I'd honestly love this sort of mechanic. You could invade anyone without having to worry if your gear is optimal for that, and in turn invaded wouldn't have to prepare mentally for that over-the-top grind mega-death-edgelord one-shot build that requires very specific set of gear to counter.
Something akin to "you can posses up to certain amount of times, and different enemies cost you different amount of 'possession' energy which also drains slowly over time, faster the longer you are not possessing something" could be really interesting idea. So one could either go in and possess a Dark Knight, but it'd drain almost all their meter, or just keep being a rat and try to cause more poison on the invaded. Would also stop the AFK grinders from existing (the invaders who enter a world and then use a glitch to go out-of-bounds, just waiting for the invaded to die)
Due to a bug, you can actually get invaded by a higher or even a lower lvl player. This happened once while I was invading on DS3. If I recall, I was around lvl 300, and one shot someone with a claymore they messaged me and we had a talk about the games mechanics and how parrying works they were asking fairly basic questions about how to increase healing so I asked them what lvl they were and told me they were lvl 27 like homie just finished fighting vordt. I felt bad and ended up playing with the dude for the rest of his playthrough as his co-op summon. This happened a few months after the realease of the Ringed City DLC.
I don't know how common it is, but it definitely can occur atleast on DS3. I haven't really invaded in Elden Ring since there's not much of a reason to invade without covenants.
First time I've heard about this bug, but it sounds like a legit issue that could happen.
Just wanted to comment saying that I agree with you about covenants: they should have been included and had cool items locked behind tiers for your dedication to assisting others or assailing them. They could have been tied to certain NPCs serving specific demi-gods, like Varrè serving Mohg. I would have LOVED a red-hunting faction my head cannon calls The Blades of Miquella that functioned like the blue spirits where you are summoned to help a host who was invaded, but would only make sense if there was consistant solo invasions.
@@AgentSmith1991 ER had the potential for a bunch of covenants. It's like they wanted to have that feature but decided not to last minute. Volcano manor and Guarranq were probably covenants at one point in development. I could see Guarranq being the blue sentinels/sunbros and volcano manor being the standard invader covenant.
@@AgentSmith1991 It is indeed the case for that spears of the church faction in DS3 though in that case it makes sense since the way it does invasions is different: You basically become the boss in its invasions.
Old comment but it sounds like integer overflow, as in the game rolled you over after Level 255 so the game mistakenly thought you were Level 45
So you prevented him from "gitting gud" you are a disgrace to invaders everywhere :P
The only people I have ever seen advocate in support of invasions are the very people who invade. Because they are having fun killing other players and accept that they will often roflstomp people who do not want to be invaded. You can talk about challenges and overcoming adversity and the inherent advantages the invaded have all you want. If the invaded are simply not good enough at this niche part of the game, there will be no real challenge for you. All you did was reset the progress of some people for your own fun. You did not do them any favors or taught them valuable lessons about life. You interrupted their good time because you felt your own entertainment is inherently worth more than theirs.
BUT in capital letters it is a part of the game, put there by the developers. Therefore your actions are absolved.
I enjoy getting invaded, all my friends who play the souls games enjoy getting invaded, I prefer getting invaded rather than invading, I use taunters tongue to have invaders join my game in solo when I'm clearing out an area, I think it's fun and it forces me to be on my toes. I have a friend who's never played the souls games before share in my love because I taught him a few tricks about abusing invaders and making their lives hell. You're at a massive advantage mechanically speaking when getting invaded; especially if you're running with a phantom and with hunters on dial. My only complaint with invasions is that there's very little support for it mechanically speaking compared to the last three games, covenants would have gone a long way in adding gimmicks to everything.
I hate invasions, it happened to me on DS3, new to the game and wanted to play with a buddy and got constantly invaded by the same guy, it was frustrating, and it make me to didn't want to continue the game, then, Elden Ring came out, the openness of the world did make it a much more enjoyable experience, summons and the magic system helped me to get into the game without getting as frustrated as I was when playing DS3, and after I finished the game, wanted to play with a friend, tried the seamless coop mod and it was the most fun I've ever had with these kind of games.
I believe invasions should remain just for people who enjoys them, but there should be a way to play the game with friends without getting constantly interrupted by other players, there's a reason the seamless coop is the most popular mod ever for this game and I hope they continue creating more of these for other souls games, I might even try finishing DS3 in that case, games should be played in any way you want.
Milicent the best girl.
You see I used to hate invasions then I started invading
Yesss you get to feel what it's like to do the invading. Getting to feel like some goober gremlin stomping around someone else's game. If you're able to be stealthy you can just watch the people ypu invaded waddle around looking for you. I was using the lie down gesture in one of those tombs you find the runes in, was only seen when I hopped out.
You should try ganking
I started invading because I got destroyed in DS1 by invaders. I wanted to get better to stop that. Now I’m still on my villain arc
I believe that no Soulsborne game experience is complete without trying every mechanic the game has to offer, this includes pvp in all it's flavours, duels, invasions, ganking, etc.
😂 you become what you hated
Always a really divisive topic. My personal take: Yeah, people can invade my game if they insist, but they can't expect me to play by their rules.
If you come into my world without permission, expect me to bring the dirtiest play style I can find to kick you out. My world, my rules.
This is the correct response.
As someone that has done all sides of the spectrum, Coop, Blue, invader, in basically all the souls games.
Invasions are no rules, no mercy (Aside, obviously, don't cheat). You barge into their/my house, you come ready to throw hands. You don't gotta be a sweaty hyper min-maxed build, but if I invade I am going to make use of PvE environments and enemies, my job is to stop you from progress, your job is knock me over. I am the obstacle, overcome me.
If I GET Invaded, similarly, I'm not going to just honorably dual you, refuse to drink my double estus flasks or not use rune arcs. Everyone is free to use the full breadth of their resources, because that's what makes an invasion fun/different then boring, bog standard arena matches, the sheer, unmitigated chaos of it. I've been ganked, multiple times, itt absolutely sucks an sometimes feels like I never really had a shot, but thems the breaks, I rolled the dice an I came up short. Pick up souls/runes and try again.
Thank you; I love the reds but they need to be dealt a firm hand.
I just play all Souls games offline. Solves the problem.
Last thing i want to do in my free time is see other players (pvp or pve) or even other players notes. Unless spending time with friends and loved ones, i prefer to relax by having no interaction with people.
Is not that hard to simply have the option to turn on or off the invasions and make everyone happy, but miyasaki barely understand what is a PC so we got what we got
I'm by no means great at PvP. But i do enjoy invading. My favorite invasions are the ones where it's just me, and the solo host who is taunters tongue'd. The happiness i get from spawning in, sitting around waiting for the host to finish battling whatever they were before i got there and cheering them on/congratulating them when they win, waiting my turn for an honourable fight, and going back to my world happy regardless of if i won or lost, just in the hopes that i made someone's day brighter, and restored their faith in my fellow red's. This is truly all I could ask for
It's the little things, friend. Having 20 shit invasions can be cured by 1 single invasion that's pure vibe.
You are the type of invasion I hope for any time it happens. Having an invader run towards enemies and camp is annoying. Having invaders intentionally hide for an ambush is annoying. Having an invader ready to battle after watching the host clear a sizable battle area is pure bliss. Getting invaded is a gamble and 98% of the time you will get the sweaty tryhards.
We used to make an arena in Altus plateau crossroad, set it ar night and light up with infinite collored stones. Then activate the taunters tongues.
Then the fighter would be on top while the other two would be japanese maid bowing on the side of the stairs.
Some dude got that it was 1v1 and it was great. Some didn't and we ganked the fuck out of them.
And then there is my invasions, where the same guy pop again and again in the middle of Aeonia swamp, hidding within the flora and just wait for me and my friend to engage Commander O'Neil to just spam sling rocks at us from a distance...
Because of course, I came to assist my friend on a (for us) hard boss, to have that troll making it 10 time harder...
@@TeteBruleeFR It happens man. Some people enjoy making others miserable. O'Neill wouldn't be so difficult if he did not have the knights constantly spawning in.
Happy New Year OW.
Thank you for the push into Elden Ring. I would have never gotten into any souls games if it wasn't for you.
She don’t know you bro
@zaza9982 sorry? "He" does know me lol we talk in discord and his videos made the game so interesting to me that I bought the game. So I'm saying thank you as a friend and as a fan. I donate to support his dream and to support great content as this :)
@@SoLowKaspar that’s a chick , waifus aren’t dudes and an announcement on discord doesn’t count as talking to you
@zaza9982 I'm not trying to start anything at all. If you're a fan of OWs content. I'm happy you're here. But understand that he is a guy and that he doesn't keep it a secret that he uses AI voices.
Happy new years and I'm sorry that the first day of the year isn't treating you well so far :(
OW does have a discord and I invite you to go check it out. He has a pretty legit community built up :D
I do know him and we talk from time to time.@@CongoChongoVIII
I think people want to like and play souls games, but if you add other players in the mix without the option to simply turn that off, it ruins their experience due to a lack of skill or want to engage in pvp.
I dont really care about getting invaded, when I do I simply jump off a cliff or something, I dont engage because its not a mechanic I much care for.
You can go offline ingame tho..
@@doraafelfedezoofisol
Yeah but I wanted to play with my best friend, and we didnt really want to engage in pvp. So there you go.
We didnt disconnect as soon as someone invaded, we just didnt engage in combat and made it increadibly boring for them.
@@paragonaesir1957 tough shit you knew exactly what you signed up for when you hit that user agreement invasions are part of the experience I mean it’s literally what they’re called invasions you don’t have consent whether or not they join your world when you’re in co-op
@@paragonaesir1957 sorry dude this isnt a feanchise where you can just have things completely handed to you. Go play Ark or Minecraft if you just want a super chill experience with your friends. Thats like getting mad in a shooter game cuz someone decides to use a sniper rifle against you. "I just want to go around trivializing a game franchise marketed for its dificulty. Why cant I just have my over leveled friend one-shotting bosses for me with absolutely no response from the game? :("
@@dontnerfmebro8052Most ignorant response I've ever seen. Like come on lil bro, do you think that every plays Co-op just to trivialize the game? Like you gotta be a composite of the most menial brain cells I've ever seen. 😂
The problem with invasions is that invaders are entering as their own character they've built and prepped for pvp battle. Someone doinking around in pve and just brute forcing themselves through content or settling on a build that's no where near complete or pve centric etc. will be at a disadvantage.
Invasions are fun, but when someone is coming into your world and is willing to use every trick in the book to beat you and is trained or practiced to do so, it pushes the inconvenienced player towards going fully offline or forming their own ganking system.
To alleviate this should be an invader becoming a standard enemy in that hosts game world with that npc's abilities. Maybe boosting the HP of the player controlled npc enemy and tying some decent rewards for the host to beat them and vice versa. I'd also say not openly announcing the invader or not telling the player where they are. This keeps the cat and mouse aspect going.
Using the characters that people build out makes the game a fighting game. I think if players invaded as NPC enemy types it would alleviate the meta game that pve players aren't aware of yet be a skill based challenge.
No thanks
The invader has access to the same tools as the host but with less resources. Yes they tend to have more knowledge of the game (hence a better thought out build) but in most cases ARE at a disadvantage. Using existing enemy types as just a vehicle for an invader would take most of the fun out of invading. Invaders want to be able to play with the weapons, spells, gear, etc that they have worked to gather and learned how to use. Not play as 'Soldier of Godrick'.
@Nowaylarry I'm not saying don't have a pvp option, but the entire fun point for many invaders is having pvp specific gear and abilities and invading for a singular purpose. Pve, you have to be ready for anything. A Swiss army knife vs. a sword is going to lose more than not.
As an invader, I can choose to be pvp built and stand in a spot until I find an opponent. The pve is adventuring and doesn't have that luxury.
My solution is to merge the two. Invader wants to fight a pc line, and pve can have that fight couched in their adventuring.
there are 2 types of invaders from what ive seen... 1 someone who wants a challange and 2 someone who just runs away hiding behind strong npcs spamming spells or incantations
Not gonna lie, I hate pvp. I despise struggling to take my buddies through an area, just to get smeared by a redboi. I mean good on them, I know it sucks catching a zweihander heavy with your face and sometimes you just need the W but don't be so mean to me I'm sensitive!😂
It's the toxicity I sometimes run into that really pisses me off.
They will literally do what most souls players do. Not engage in that mechanic. Most people don't pvp in souls games and it seems like they will stop COOP if invasions annoy them enough. You can't make people do something they don't want to do, especially in a videogame.
This, I just used the mod that blocked invasions. Not letting people play the game with friends without PvPing just means they'll either find a way to block invasions or they'll play something else. Forced PvP is never the move IMO, you want people to do invasions, give an incentive to open your world up to them and the ones that like PvP will do so.
@@mismismism Its their game; You dont have to buy it if you dont like it; Plenty of people do like the system; Buying it just to cheat the system and play without invasions is VERY entitled; The world doesnt revolve around you, you know
@@pedroabumanssur976 Lol entitled? You're the ones being entitled feeling like people don't have a right to say their opinion on a game they also like just because you feel everyone needs to let you play with them. We paid for the game too, it's not cheating anything if me and my friends want to play together without randoms ruining it, if we want to mod to not be forced to PvP, we have every right to do so, it's not an MMO. You can also play offline, me playing with my friends with a mod or just not playing online at all actually makes no difference to you or anyone else, if we don't want to PvP we are not obligated to because someone decided everyone has to or they have to play alone.
@@pedroabumanssur976 non-optional pvp is the worst part of any game that includes it. That's why the wilderness is pretty much dead content on Runescape. Bots go there for rev caves and the bosses, normal pvp players go there to kill the bots or be assholes to normal people who have to go there for the 3 quests that are there or clue scrolls.
I paid for the shit, I'm gonna play it how I like, and I like there to not be invaders.
@@Wallace-Amadeus No
Youre gonna play by the rules that the devs intended; If you dont want that then f off and go look for a game where you will enjoy
The world doesnt revolve around your belly button asshole
Also you opted into it; You gave consent when you brought the game accepted their terms of service and engage with the multiplayer; Invasions are 100% optional; The fault is ENTIRELY with you
You gave consent MULTIPLE times before even been thrown on the matchmaking pool
You failed; Try again
Honestly, the way to fix that particular issue is by allowing people to choose whether they want to be invaded or not. By having a setting that lets people choose that they want invasions in their world or not when playing with other people, if they want that challenge they can have it but if they wish to avoid it then they can do so as well. Everybody wins.
There is that option, is calling going offline!, if you want some co op experience, rally with someone out of the game first, is not the best option but there is that option.
Your right ignore the other idiot tho but yes they should have a switch to turn invasion not multiplayer just invasions off
I love using the Invader Tongue just cause of Dark Souls 1-3. Being invaded solo, and being invaded when using an ember for both jolly co-op and bloody battle. Glad they added it! 💜⭐️
Same, Repect.
You can call me snickerdoodle all you want, but I will always prefer Meidra calling me Sweet Beast. ☺️
Are we just not going to talk about passworded lobbies?
Edit: So since it seems no one knows what I am talking about. In DS3, there is an option to password protect your game instance so random people can't enter your world. So people who want to play co-op without invasions could play with their friend, family, or loved ones without invaders. It is a simple, elegant, and easy solution to the problems people are having without ruining the game play or the balance of the game overall. Elden ring for some reason doesn't have this feature that could help overall with newer player wanting to play with friends.
Heck you just dont need to summon
You get the funny messages,spooky bois, blood pools and rune arcs (embers, humanitys effigys) benefits without being invaded those items let you be invaded before now they dont
People still get mad for some reason
This is the perfect comment
God forbid people want to play with their friends
Oh and I forgot to mention is ds2 you can be invaded without using a human effigy to summon. And I don't think there's any other way to stop it unless you go offline. (Maybe turn network settings to restricted) anyway just came to leave this extra note
@@MemeLordCrusadergod forbid a games core design is cantered around pvp and coop being intertwined…
@@Ale-ey3xv elden ring is definitely not pvp centered
My only issue with being invaded is when I'm trying to have somebody help me progress further in the story then I get invaded and The Invader ends up killing all of us when I'm just trying to progress through the main story and get another player to help me to make it a little easier
Yeah. Its fucking DARK SOULS. Thats the point.
I never understood why newer players INSIST that they have a right to coop unmolested in these games. Because it isnt a right. The game goes from "pretty challenging" to "a literal braindead cakewalk" if you summon two extra players to stunlock/stancebreak every enemy that is specifically geared to a solo player experience. Invasions are an attempt yo make it balanced again.
invasion mechanic is for little kids @@dontnerfmebro8052
@@dontnerfmebro8052 "Balance". Sure. Imagine if you will. Elden ring is your first soulslike. And you work, say, 80hrs a week. Average for a livable wage. So you get maybe half an hour a week to play. During that half hour, you get invaded, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Now you're new at the game and dont' really know how to pvp. And you die to invaders. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over. You never improve because you're getting oneshot. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over. Would you continue playing?
@@jkblutiyou know what I love about this take, seven months they had seven months to formulate an argument to defend their brain dead stance on this matter and they still haven’t said shit opting to instead ignore you as if they’re a child throwing a tantrum when their parent tells them to do somehting like eat vegetables, ain’t no one saying to seriously get rid of PvP just to not make it forced and oppressive
@@Luna_nyxborn Thats because invaders in souls games (esp ones who only invade early game areas) are no different than FPS 'pubstompers' who want to spawn kill noobs in a corner on a map all game (except pubstomping in fps is more honorable as everyone agrees to pvp). Its not about invading a skilled opponent, for them its about only invading early areas to get the cream of the crop new/worst/uneducated players to destroy them. These 'invaders' didn't just accidentally get scarlet rot items and weapons and "whoops every invasion I ended up in the early game area hehe"
I know this because I have a new character for ER I only get summoned by random new players to help them with the early game and 9/10 invasions are twink losers (some even have twink in their name so they aren't even hiding it). A lot of Hosts I get summoned into are clearly not good at games (maybe even disabled) and these invaders come in full force and just destroy them and then use a gesture at the end like they are a pro. "Like wow, you really showed the host 'Jenny2354' what a badass you are when they could barely turn their character correctly most the fight"
If souls game had a hidden SKILL system where good invaders could only invade other good players they'd cry and moan all day how its no longer fun, all the new and bad players would never be in their lobbies. Its only fun because they win and they win because they have all the game knowledge and hours players against some noob who saw Elden Ring was popular and wanted to give it a go and need a little coop help along the way.
The whole argument of "life is cruel and unfair' is such a cop out for why a VIDEO GAME needs to be unbearable with invasions. Souls games have always been hard but had items, pathways, or weakness you can use to do better ... there is none of that against twink invaders.
Way back when internet gaming was text based, one of the moderators decided to do some science studying why players played. Ultimately the conclusion was that nearly every player could fit down into 4 subtypes, the Achievers (Who wanted the thrill of setting goals then reaching them), the Explorers (Who wanted the thrill of discovering new things), the Socializers (Who wanted the thrill of socializing using the game), and Killers (who wanted the thrill of being able to 'demonstrate dominance' over other players). Ballancing for these 4 types is one of the core concerns of nearly all modern multiplayer gaming. Though in the case of the souls games, there's a fifth type of player - the solo gamer who's mostly just trying to get through the game and wants to minimize having to deal with other players (I'll admit that's me).
So if you're that fifth type, then this video doesn't concern you at all. Because if you play solo, you won't summon, which means you won't be invaded. Pretty simple to understand.
That fifth type is basically just the second or maybe first type tbh
@@Blittsplitt5 For a true solo gamer that might be the case. But I would want to play with friends as well.
I know the souls-like mantra is basically "get good" and the invader mechanic encapsulates that perfectly, but... I just don't want to deal with it. Sure I could practice to deal with PvP behaviour, just like I can practice a boss, but unless it's an inherently PvP game, I just don't want to do it.
Tbh, because I thought the invader mechanic was an opt-in, like open-world-PvP in WoW, I was looking forward to buying Elden Ring, but now I'm not so sure anymore I want to play it.
For me it's a matter of the environmental context. Picking up the WoW example, I hate open world PvP, but enjoy playing battlegrounds and arena from time to time. When I play PvE content, I don't want to engage with PvP.
@@Heresor idk if you see The Video you can only get Invader if you Do Coop or you invited them yourself and Invader its Low Level Enemy but with Powerfull Ai because it Human itself, and you are not alone when you got invaded there is always your friend with you to help unless you invited yourself alone
@@irpanfauzi1160 Oh, I understood the prerequisites going into the possibility of being invaded. I just don't want to deal with that. If that means that I don't get to play the game, then so be it.
For the last mystery weapon of the year, I believe that it is the Cleanrot Knight’s Sword! Side note: Thank you Waifu for giving us informative Elden Ring content and I wish that it gets even better in 2024! Happy New Years everyone! :D
If you want to play co-op in elden ring. just get the seemless co-op mod, removes invasion and both players can use torrent in open world. AND if one person dies, they dont leave the game you just got to rest. problem solved.
What about console players?
@@jkbluti as of right now they're up sh*t's creek unless someone knows how to mod the console versions of the game, or buy a pc and the game off steam idk dude work with what ya got 🤷♀
They need to introduce an actual pvp choice 1v1 or 2v2 and so on torment style. allow for co-op casual and also how it is now.
Then you want a different game.
I just want to play with my friends and not be forced into PVP
There is no forcing here, the word is agreeing. It really is not any nuisance as long as you have minimum cognitive and motor cordenation, but calling those people to engage with this part of the game and balance around them is sure a mistake. Blame on you for answering the call and shame on the developers to tring to acomodade unisterested people in detriment of the games balance
@@igorgodoy8295Yeah, if he didn't want some dude harassing him, he shouldn't have been dressed like a skank.
I loved playing Hide and Quit with invaders. Use a prop hunt spell and wait until the boredom status build up takes them out.
Boredom is a strong ailment to inflict.
I think the lack of covenants and the weak colosseum system missed a huge chance at fostering a better multiplayer experience in ER. That said, for the last year the multiplier experience I had was mostly positive. I rarely invade but have cooped so much one of my tarnished is maxed out on rune arcs.
I'm glad I'm not the only one missing the covenants from past Souls games. And since you can pretty much max out flasks and sacred tears in a playthrough or two, I feel like covenants could have been a good way to spend excess items like the golden seeds, like offering humanity or sunlight medals in DS1 for rewards.
I also agree that, while the coliseum is good to have for those looking strictly for 1v1 honorable fights, having rewards tied to it would definitely have made me want to engage with it more.
@@AgentSmith1991that would be fun
@@AgentSmith1991 precisely! Dark souls 2 and 3 had superior multiplayer mechanics and I daresay superior arenas. They were so much better I really just can't guess why Elden Ring kind of apparently decisively does not include it or something similar.
I believe I only ever got invaded two times, 1st was in co-op with my father and I was learning the game, guy killed us both, and I went along with my day. Second time was while I was in the middle of a boss fight in Caelid, I had to run like hell just because no way was I gonna fight an invader, a boss and his ghostly squad. Invader chose to leave when he couldn't reach me. Have been playing offline since
I've been sayin this since a friend introduced me to Dark Souls. The only (and I truly mean ONLY) issue with these games' PVP aspect is the ABYSSMAL netcode, period. The clips at 9:13 perfectly summarise the issue. If you have to guess by pure chance when a weapon swing is going to hit or when a parry animation ends in a parry because of the abyssmal delay between players, then no other issue is more important.
Fix the netcode = fix the WHOLE pvp experience
TL;DR: Fromsoft needs to add some kind of Rollback netcode
Thank you someone else that understands the real issue q,q
Man i wanna get better, i can deal with being ganked but the randomness in when my moves hit or dont hit i dont even know what to do alot of the times. There are so many times when i correctly call my opponents moves counter it beautifully and see no damage, what am i to do there.
Personally I think the biggest problem is that there is no penatly for invaders and barely any rewards for the invaded. Like yeah I get that currently everything is stacked against invaders, but on the other hand there is also no risk for an invader since nothing happens if they die... nothing. They don't lose their runes, they respawn where they stared before the invasion and promptly use another finger to invade again, no penalty or disadvantage.
The invaded? Loses runes, loses progress and time (has to go back where he was before and since he most likely summoned his coop partner again his chance to get invaded before he gets the runes back is high), get's frustrated as is evident by all the reddit posts.
And when someone wins, a couple of souls that you could most likely farm faster with normal enemies.
Especially considering Miyazakis own opinion that an Invader should be something like a really dangerous enemy that can randomly appear, that is a bad system imo.
Tbh anything is better then the current reward system, Invaders don't need the runes they get since they most likely already have their build complete and the invaded barely get anything but could lose alot. They could give maybe upgrade materials or something like that idk.
Personally I think a good idea is a buff/debuff system. it could be something like this: If you invade but lose. you get a Stat debuff for a certain amount of time like for example -1 on every stat. And on the other hand if you win against an invader, you get +1 on every stat. This could potentially Stack up to +/-5 on every stat and last for idk maybe 15 Minutes or something.
That way there is an actual penalty for invaders if they lose (since theri stats are lowerd maybe they can't use their weapons/spells anymore for example), but the reward for the invaded is also worth it. Especially in early game to get a boost of 8 Levels for a win, even if just temporary, is really good and since it could stack up, maybe they won't be as annoyed by multiple invasions.
Elden Ring was my first souls, and i went in with an open mind about invasions, and i only got invaded 5 times.
3 where clearly cheating, 2 of them using those speed hacks where they moved like anime characters, 1 was simply standing there, not taking any damage, then killed me in 1 hit (and i leveled my vigor properly)
2 where just cheesing magic from ranged and hiding between mobs to heal...
so yeah, i rather play offline nowadays.
PvP is great when you get a "good" invasion, but there are so many things that can go wrong with it that I can see how it left a HORRNDOUS first impression on the community. I tried to do a full coop run with my friend, and most of the invaders at low levels feel like a bunch of twinks who pull out some stupid overpowered weapon the second they start losing and then bow. A few months ago there were multiple people doing bloodhound step double naginata at like level 15. I'm so baffled they dont have some minimum level restrictions to prevent this
Disagree on the PvP being great when you get a "good" invasion (it doesn't function very well. If the FGC saw the Soulsborne PvP they would violently hound From Software to implement rollback netcode more than for any other game in existence), but rather than a level restriction for PvP (which kind of already exists in the form of weapon level matchmaking, though it's far from complete. They need to implement Estus Level matchmaking and Talisman slot matchmaking as well), it would be a lot easier to restrict PvP based on area progress. Put simply, if you have a spell that can only be gotten from Raya Lucaria, but a given host hasn't been to that specific area, you can't invade that host. With Elden Ring being an open world game where you can basically go anywhere you want at any time, this feature was needed more than ever, and it _baffles_ me that such an obvious and vital solution was never considered. Then again, the game was rushed out the door, so it's not terribly surprising that the online multiplayer in general is such an afterthought in the game's design. You couldn't even use Summoning Pools when the game first came out because that mechanic wasn't finished on release. They had to finish the system and then patch in the items that were needed to be able to send signs to Summoning Pools later in the game's life cycle.
The amount of invasions I get early game with some guy who has the rotten poking sword :( Like most early game players don't have a counter for scarlet rot. That's twinking to the next level.
@@boyishdude1234 This is a horrible idea. You would delete invasions effectively if you couldn't invade someone if they didn't find the secret area you went to. Everyone who went to jarburg would lose 90% of the playerbase as invadable. The better option would be scaling. Scale invaders down to the maximum estus, weapon level, level, and damage of the player invading. So a level whatever player can invade anyone, but will have their weapon level, estus level, and estus amount scaled to be equal to the host. The technology exists, and the only reason I don't suggest rune level is because that might cause more issues than it solves. With weapon and flask levels you can at least quickly and easily scale them.
@@lususnaturae881 It's a wonderful idea. It would instantly solve nearly all cases of twinking by itself, and Estus Matchmaking as well as Talisman Slot Matchmaking would resolve most of the remaining issues with twinking. Downscaling invaders to be more mathematically equivalent to the host objectively doesn't work (this has long been proven to be the truth; invaders complained about twink phantoms in DS3 even though they were downscaled to the host's level for PvE and PvP, and invaders ran twink builds in DS3 that could one-shot hosts or get pretty close to that despite the fact that invaders are usually a lower level than the hosts are). The problem isn't necessarily that invaders are doing too much damage, so much as it is that they're invading lower level and midlevel hosts with spells, equipment and items that they don't have access to and can't meaningfully compete with. In an open world game this is fundamentally not acceptable because there's really nothing to prevent players from going to Caelid and getting the Moonveil (for example) at the start of the game, and the same is true of most of the other things you can get that aren't earlygame options. Once you get Torrent the open world folds over like an omelet, and this has disastrous consequences for the invasive PvP that are impossible to overlook. At least in Dark Souls 3 you had to somehow beat the Abyss Watchers, the Dancer and Champion Gundyr before you could get a Hornet Ring for your twink invader build, or in Dark Souls 1 you had to make it to Anor Londo as a very low level character to get Havel's Armor for your twink invader build. Those kinds of restrictions and caveats don't really exist in Elden Ring, at least not to anywhere near the same degree.
You say that this will make invaders unable to access the majority of hosts? Good, that's the whole point. The fairness of the PvP should be prioritized over the invader experience, especially if they're not going to implement dedicated servers with rollback netcoding. Invaders are trolls, anyway. They don't deserve to have a good time. This also makes no mention of the fact that invaders usually prefer to stay at a certain level anyway so that way they can keep invading at a certain level range. They'll be able to adapt their builds to account for these new systems.
People who invade at low levels or in the starting areas ARE horrendous twinks. That's the only reason you'd invade there or that early.
I wonder when ranni is going to give back Millicent’s prosthetic arm, after all that is the only thing she has of her precious mother.🤨🐱
I have only ever enjoyed 1 pvp match, and that was on Dark Souls 2 when some rat pulled me in and tried taunting me like I wasn't using pyromancy. Hit him with 1 sun and he died.
I fucking hate other people. I like to be good against enemies, not against other people who are specifically going for pvp and then especially when they're assholes about it too with taunts and shit. It isn't fun.
>I have only enjoyed one pvp encounter and thats when I won instantly without facing any sort of adversity
Lmao
As someone who only plays PvE and hates it when my game is interrupted by a stranger doing the equelivent of my brother picking up the 2nd controller and pressing the start button in a fighting game I just play offline. Elden Ring itself already has random NPC invaders. I'm not adding real life ones into the mix.
I like invasions but when I'm going through Elden ring with my brother and we kill the invader. then get invaded 2-5 minutes later kill the invader go back to exploring the world get invaded 2-5 minutes later kill invader go back to exploring world kill the invader or end up dying cause now we are low on flasks repeat invading every couple of minutes was annoying so me and my brother just stopped playing. That or, the weird way souls games do matchmaking cause sometimes I just cant find my brothers summon sign and it gets kind of annoying. dunno but this is why I use mods to matchmake with friends its just easier to play with them like elden ring seamless coop mod which is just the better coop then the base game coop and makes elden ring way more fun with friends than the base game.
I don't really have any issues with invasions existing I generally enjoy the mechanic but, the mentality of "if you co op you are consenting to pvp" isn't really accurate. You can be fine with one thing and not with another...like saying if a girl is consenting to sex, that means she's okay with anal or a guy knocking her up since that can be part of sex too. Another example would be that I like getting paid for my job but, that doesn't mean that I'm real keen on getting taxed either.
Yeah, here's the thing: In order to co-op you open the gates to being invaded. Unless you mod the game, your consent to it is irrelevant because it's just how the game mechanic works and how the developers designed the game.
@@Hegericc Just because they designed it that way doesn't mean it's not a bad design to a lot of people...
Thanks for all the cool information and fun facts about the ins and outs of Elden Ring this year, Waifu! I'm not even a pvper in Soulsbornes in general, but I loved watching your videos this year and learning about the pvp scene and weapons in general. It's been very cool! And this form of content, the Ranni and female NPCs teaching us stuff, it's oddly comforting and more engaging. On top of the fun editing, it's been great binge content.
So thank you for the content, Waifu! Keep up the great work into the new year!
Here here!🎉
Personally... I fragging hate it. I despise PvP in most games, especially in ones as sweaty as a soulsborne. And *especially* PvP systems that are made to be more for griefing than anything like soulsborne invasions. It's frustrating that to play with a friend, I have to endure bullshit from overpowered players who know the game better and have better items and spells. It wouldn't have killed the devs to have a coop only option, it's super frustrating. But... as rage inducing as unwanted invasions are, I sure as hell can't equate it to rape. That's just factually incorrect, straight up pathetic and insulting to actual rape victims.
Well, that's why Remnant 2 and Code Vein exist, those games are better to me anyway.
I wouldnt mind being invaded and invading if the netcode wasnt so bad
C O L I S E U M . . . 😅
This is such a shit defense, Life and GAMES are different, you can't twink or GIT GUD in life, you can only further yourself by acquiring knowledge and applying it, and maybe get a helping hand when or if shit goes south.
In a GAME, I set the rules for how difficult things get, when me and my friends want to play Dark Souls or Elden ring, we want to stomp bosses, not get stomped by low-level twinks who just have fun by ruining someone else's fun.
Sometimes you do indeed get lucky and the invader will play like a proper player, not abusing hitboxes with fast or broken weapons, using scarlet rot builds like a absolute tosser, or use a weapon so specialized in anti-armor that you might as well be naked and have 10 vigor.
At least Elden Ring has the mod Seamless CO-OP to allow you to do just that, play from start to finish with your friends, without the fear of invaders ruining your day.
Bad red man
My only real issue with invaders is that, at least for me, when I'm playing with my friends, it's because we're just trying to experience a game that we all enjoy together. And especially when we're running through an area, just trying to reach the next site of grace, it's frustrating when bad red man appears and we're forced into 1 of 3 scenarios.
Either 1, we're forced to blitz our way straight to the boss and stop exploring so that we can avoid the invader, which is even more frustrating if we have to skip a site of grace to do that.
2, we're forced to fight them with builds that are centered around PvE or, in some of my friend's cases, builds that are centered around "I dunno I needed that stat to use this weapon that and I'm just throwing stats at whatever works for me." which almost never goes well for us. Like, I don't think any of us have ever successfully beaten an invader who was actually trying to kill us without resorting to cheap, unfair strategies, and doing that just feels... Wrong, I guess.
Or 3, just accept that we're going back to the last site of grace, so we just stand there and let them get it over with. Which has ultimately become our default response.
None of these are fun experiences for us. And while I know that invaders aren't going out of their way to ruin fun, for the experience that my friends and I want out of the game, which is an experience that get most of the time when we're not being invaded, it's not very fun for us at all. It's frustrating.
That's not to say that we've never had a positive experience with an invader. We were once invaded by a fun lad named Pothead. He led us through the path in Stormveil that leads to the ulcerated tree spirit boss that none of us would have known was there otherwise. Then we saw the area that was very obviously a boss arena so we just kind of stared into it because we really just wanted to fight Godrick. And then he knocked us all into the pit. And then he just stood up there and watched as we were violently destroyed by a boss that were were not prepared for. Which, honestly? Was actually fun, because he led us to a secret and didn't kill us himself.
We once got invaded while we were just exploring limgrave and the invader drew a little heart for us out of rocks, dropped some stuff for us, and then had a naked boxing match with all of us. So that was a good time.
It's just that those kinds of experiences are very few and far-between for us.
Or just play arena
Git gud.
@@Scriffer nah I'll gank
Sounds like you would enjoy the Seamless Coop mod.
@@TheHornedKing I've actually heard of that mod. Our main issue is that I am a poor, low-funds babby who can't afford a decent PC that can run the game, so my friends and I all play ER on PS4. Which, at least with my poor Mod literacy, isn't very good for playing games with mods. Might have to look into it when I actually have a better computer, though.
Hey waifu! I answered shamshir last episode. Btw the mystery weapon is cleanrot knights sword!
Someone's never been one-shot by the invisible Carian Retaliation glitch
That glitch was patched like over a year ago lmao and it was a glitch literally anyone could do
@@MoonRose-Valentine And? Just because anyone could do it doesn't mean everyone knew it and did it. During those times, when co-oping with friends we'd have 1 a day pop up on the weekends.
At the end of the day, invaders are doing it on purpose, so they minmax and practice mechanics that PVE monsters don't perform, meanwhile casuals doing co-op are well, asking for help to take on the PVE - A single player can cut down a handful of NPC that don't use meta-knowledge, a single invader can cut down a handful of casuals that don't *know* there's meta-knowledge.
I would be far more okay with random invasions if these games didn't have such awful netcode. Everyone's playing by the same rules, so it's technically not unfair if an attack you dodged visually still damages you, but it's so jarring when these games have such good hitboxes normally. You can usually trust what you're seeing on the screen, but that just goes right out the window in PvP. It's so common that I will see attacks land with their phantom range in PvP videos and no one will bat an eye. I'm sure you can adjust to it, but it's like an entirely different game from PvE.
If Miyazaki wanted the invasion system to be like a random strong enemy wandering the world, then remove the ability for invaders to know the hosts general direction/position from them!
He said like. Noy an actual npc. Its still a person
With the existence of the taunter’s tongue item, I don’t see why invasions can’t be an optional mechanic in CoOp.
Because even Micheal Zaki understands that to COMPLETELY remove any downsides from engaging in co-op absolutely trivializes his games? Im not even talking "easy mode," im talking cat-suit Mario levels of infantilization. The game, outside of bosses, doen't change at all with summons in the world, so no enemy health scaled to number of phantoms, no increase in enemy poise to accomodate 3 ultra greatswords spamming in unison, no change in AI behavior or enemy quantity to compensate either. The only time dedicated hosts ever have trouble is in the bossfights - only if theyre too large to easily stager with two Ultras, and because hosts never need to learn to dodge if theyre just gang piling the whole level before hand, so they get clipped. Even that is mitigated with just spamming magic from the back while your tanks aggro. So they play through once, drop the game because OBVIOUSLY it didnt actually pose any challenge or make them learn any interesting mechanics, and then complain that its a mid game because they only pressed one button the whole time.
@@dontnerfmebro8052 100% agree with what you’re saying, but I’m pretty sure normal enemies get an hp buff in coop. Enemies that I usually one shot on my own seem to take 2 or 3 hits in coop.
@@TheDarkPeasant that's because your character is scaled down
@dontnerfmebro8052 You’re right whilst also misinterpreting how these peoples’ minds work.
They WANT a mario level of infantilization whilst still receiving the same amount of dopamine from beating a game like ER. It’s a mentality issue.
@@hardboiled2987 or they find enjoyment in other aspects of the game and less from bosses. My friend beat the game with summons and co-op because he finds more enjoyment in the exploration and the feeling of discovering new things than the die and learn loop of the bosses.
When playing thru souls games, I love messages but I hate getting invaded. Wish there was a way to turn them off without also losing messages, so instead I just immediately disconnect anytime I get invaded. Anyone who thinks I'm "playing it wrong" can die mad about it. I heavily dislike souls pvp, I would rather crawl across a mile of broken glass than subject myself to regularly engaging in it.
2:19 hell yes
A big problem with invaders besides the problems inherent to darksouls 3 and eldenring regarding to scaling, is the type of player that invades.
In darksouls 3, invaders often have a goal, namely getting stuff for their covenants. There is a tangible goal and PvP is a fun way to get the items.
However there are some invaders who just like invading for the sake of invading. And because there are no real rewards for invading in Elden Ring, This is the motivation for all invaders in Elden Ring. Now this wouldn't be a bad thing if they where just "strong enemies" However, due to the nature of PvP games with even a shred of complexity, there will always be a Meta.
And a lot of players who are driven by the urge to PvP to win will optimize to... well too win... DUH.
But the builds these players invade with can be very toxic or straight up broken.
This includes getting weapons from higher level areas and giving them to lower level characters, getting copies of unique weapons to powerstance them eventhough that should only have been possible in NG+, Abusing glitches, or just using a build so completely domminant that there is no real counter for the average player. (With average player here being someone who understands a bit of PvP, and could hold it's own against a normal invader)
If you play a soulsgame, and you get invaded, and it's some completely broken bullshit build, so you die before you can even react, after which the invader will point down on you, spin and then trow dung pies on your corpse, that will leave a very, very bitter taste in your mouth.
So what can you do?
Will you:
A. research the Meta, spoiling the game in the process, and having to switch your build just so you can deal with invaders.
Or
B. Just not deal with invaders anymore by quiting out whenever you see one?
For a player that just wants to go trough the game with a friend, B is a very tempting option.
I experienced this stuff recently in DS3. I was playing trough the game with a friend, and we got invaded a lot.
Now some invader where fun. They where similair in skill and gave a good and honest fight. Loved every second of it, even when I lost.
Some invaders where kinda bad, we bonked em and they died... we won so of course we had fun.
Some invaders where really good at the game, but still respectfull and the fight didn't feel annoying eventhough I got my ass handed to me.
But some invaders where toxic. No fun, they just ran in when you bowed to them, started wacking with their buffed weapons and optimized builds, did the estus cancel glitch so they could heal quicker and where just a pain in the ass to deal with. A lot also had such bad internet that trying to hit them back was litteraly impossible.
Fuck em.
I am playing the games to have fun, not to deal with some sweatlord and his build he got from the internet, who's shitty internet connection makes them virtually invincible.
I even had a guy invade me which made my game so laggy, that I couldn't summon my friend. He didn't damage me or anything and I eventually realised that if I hit him enough, some hits would actually land, so I wacked him untill his health was 0 after which he just disconnected without any message.... God that was ass.
I understand that invaders can kill you. And I understand that trying to overcome the challenge of a invader adds to the fun. But there is a point where an invader becomes such an obnoxious piece of shit, that just not fighting and disconnecting seems to only way to deal with them.
Elden Ring seems to have overcompensated for these moments in DS3, and ironically made it worse.
Because now due to all the gang squads, being super sweaty and using a meta build is the only way to consistently have a good chance when invading people.
This makes the rare few people who play trough the game with a friend for fun hopelessly outmatched against these sweatlord invaders, making them hate invasions.
The worst part is, the solution is simple. Just have active rune arcs open up the world to invaders, and add covenants with unique rewards, the items of which could be farmed offline as well.
This would decrease Gank squad encounters, meaning invaders can be less sweaty. This in turn would make fights more fun and reduce toxic behaviour as well.
It would incentivise more people to try PvP, due to it being the quickest way to covenant items.
They did it in DS3, it worked very well with only 2 covenants getting shafted (blue boys rarely get called uppon, and you just end up farming those 2 silver knights in anor londo)
And the rune arc being active, also means that hosts always have some trick up their sleeve, wether it is a lot of extra levels, a large health pool, bloodborn healing mechanics, or buffed phantoms.
TL:DR
An invaders behaviour, build and internet connection can make the fight so unfun to the point that for the average player disconnecting is the only way to continue to play the game. Elden Ring has created a pretty bad PvP scene due to frequent ganks and no rewards filtering invaders untill there are only the most tryhard left. Combing all of this, it is not suprising a lot of people do not have fun with the PvP in elden ring, and hence complain online.
Having Rune arcs work as embers and opening up worlds, together with adding covenants would make the PvP scene a whole lot more healthy
It makes me laugh a little, if you're going to attack someone's world, it means that you're probably well prepared for it.
Most often, people attacked do not create their characters for PvP and are not well versed in the game's mechanics, so killing two noobs shouldn't be a problem for you, unless you lack of skill?
The problem is not PvP, but how the invaders forcefully look for weak players so they can kill them.
If they're looking for a challenge so much, maybe it's worth taking on someone at your own or higher level, or not crying when a few weak players screw you over... unless you lack the skill ;_;
I've never been into PvP, but I always found it easier to kill someone when I was the invader than when someone was invading me (I had to for platinum the souls 2-3)
Personally my favorite PvP mechanic out of all the fromsoft games is BloodBorne's.
PvP isnt always an option.
There are maps/locations after the beginning of the game where you can be invaded, however there is always an NPC lady on the map ringing a bell...
You find her,
Take her out,
and boom. PvP is no longer a worry.
Even in Coop if you took out the bell ringing lady you were fine.
By certain maps I mean basically the first few locations you were safe. This gave newer players the chance to figure out the game a bit before being opened up to PvP risk. Passed about 30% into the game the maps start having PvP introduced to you. Which even when in Coop, is optional.
Imo this one is the best.
I have literally never played this game and yet here I am watching videos of a game I don’t play
General non-invited invasions should probably be the invader controlling a random nearby mob like a puppet, completely anonymously.
That original vision would be far closer if instead of big angry red guy with stupid gamertag name was announced, you just had a normal enemy suddenly not following their normal behavior patterns.
Im one of those guys that dip when my phantoms die in an invasion,cowardly?sure but I'm just trying to play co-op with my bro,homie is on the other side of the country&we dont get time to play together often,i dont want too fight you,i want too fight fire giant,godfrey,etc i get your point,but nah I'm good bruh go fight someone else
I Agree Invaders Just Ruin Your Fun I Just Turn Offline Now I Can Play Without Interruption!
I think this video doesn't mention something that is pretty important to consider: There is a big difference between a PvE centered build and a PvP one. For example, most greatsword/hammer users would have trouble hitting a real player except by spamming one specific attack (if you know, you know). Some weapons straight up do not have an attack that could reasonably hit an invader but work really well against NPC bosses. Although you do technically opt into PvP when you play coop, isn't it a little bit unreasonable to say "skill issue" when someone who is doing PvE fights has reasonably created a PvE build. Most heavy weapon STR based builds are nowhere near as good as say the DEX bleed builds or twin spears.
I work full time, sometimes well over 40 hours a week but never under 40. It took me about 8-9 months to finally finish Elden Ring. I'd play with a buddy, we both started at launch, and it was so much goddamned fun having assholes running at us constantly with curse builds. All we wanted to do was play together (we both only play with one another hurray being old) and it's just annoying having assholes with builds targeted to destroy your asshole as efficiently as possible, which is obviously the point. Just really wish i could turn off invasions, never been my thing and I've loved these games since Demons Souls.
Exactly
As a PvE player: I dispise gank squads. If I get summoned into one I will absolutely sabotage it in favor of the invaders if I don’t just sever out.
Why ?
As a pvp player, I love tank squads. Nothing is more challenging then a 3v1 and the feeling you get when you win is unmatched. Respect to you for having morals tho.
As a PVE player who gets summoned a lot, I will join the gank just to get the annoying invader out of thr world. I am there to help the host, not engage with some parasite's sense of honnor trying to leech off the host's fun and waste my time in the process.
@@fearlessfailure2848 Chad
@@fearlessfailure2848 that’s not a gank squad. That’s you helping a PvEr get an invader out of their world.
I’m taking about the types who camp out by tree sentinel grace, use the tongue after summoning and proceed to use cheese weapons to gank an invader into oblivion.
a solution: dont play online, i recognize that pvp is not and never will be my cup of tea thats why i play offline, is that easy
It sure is fun when I'm trying to do PvE with a friend and have PvE loadout equipped to handle PvE scenarios when some loser comes with his PvP loadout specially made to counter players, I sure love the even playing field.
So fun!
What makes a pve build not work in pvp at all? If your build is exclusively centered around a greatbow i think that is your fault.
@@pancakewafflez If I'm doing coop and I'm a guest, I use the fp on crit, fp regen and hp on kill talismans to have more resources to help, none of these are useful in pvp, if I'm host I use weapons/incantations that do high damage such as sacred relic sword with the wave of gold skill but a player can easily dodge it, none of these counter any bleed/madness/magic builds that are always present in pvp.
I hate PvP so usually when I'm invaded I just find a space around with no enemies where I can just jump off a cliff or something come back and collect runes. Although I usually just play pure solo so I can't get invaded
I just sit by the nearest grace and let them have their kill. There's no fun if there's no fightback. Once in DS3, I got invaded by the same guy five times, by the fourth time, he DCed and repeated it on the fifth when we connected again. Invaders want to sap my fun, fine. Sap theirs.
That first screenshot of somebody complaining about invaders was golden. Bro was getting invaded by an npc 😂
Entry number 2: Christ almighty there’s more people complaining about the npc thinking he’s a real player
0:01 it’s not a question of fear or whatever but I don’t have 70€/year to waste for a ps+ just to see some bloodstains on the floor and some suckers with river of blood trying to kill me as if 1v1ing maliketh wasn’t hard enough
i tried pvp for the first. got ganked by 3 people.
for me pvp isnt worth it.
....... why not just have a togglable option in the multiplayer controls that either allows or disallows invasions?
That would mean invaders would have to live in a world where they only play with people who are ready from them. They don't want that.
The frustration comes from the fact that Learning from a death is a core part of the game. Dying to an enemy npc is fine, because you know what to do when you go back. You can find a weakness, or just sneak by if your build isn't suitable for fighting such enemies (I sneak around a lot of issues I don't wanna be bothered with)
Say you wanna play with your friend. You both run around and enjoy the exploration (the map is beautiful imo) and then BOOM, some crazy strong player with all the end game loot spawns in with a very min/max build that slaughters other players in a split second. You then die along with your friend and have to go all the way back to collect your runes that may or may not get you a grand total of ONE level up.
Seems like your average Souls experience, but the difference is that you didn't really learn anything other than overpowered player is overpowered. You likely have never seen what they're using before, don't know where the counter is, and said counter is probably more endgame shit. So prepare to get invaded by half the playerbase before even getting that item that you needed just to beat ONE player.
Now you have it, only for you to have a new issue because the invader you got now plays COMPLETELY different. You then sit there in your loading screen and realize what you went to grab is pointless because the likelihood that you'll run into the same build is pretty low, and it's even less likely that it'll be the same person.
They start becoming just roadblocks that you can probably get over eventually, but you're never going to solve that problem until you've already beaten the game and have no reason to continue playing anymore.
In my case, i wanted to play Elden Ring in coop with my friend. I'm not a Souls player, the only fromsoft games i've played were the Armored Core serie and Sekiro (that i've platined.) I wanted to try it out with Elden Ring.
Invaders were so common that i wasn't having fun anymore. I completely abandonned the game after Godrick the Grafted.
Same. Haven't even gotten past the first actual boss lol.
But if you're still interested in playing Soulsborne games, especially in coop, I recommend Code Vein or Remnant 2. There's no invasions in them and they're very fun, even for more casual players.
How about you just beat the game by yourself, or figure out how to beat invaders since you'll always have a numbers advantage?
You can always tell when Elden is the only thing that makes a commenter feel special. They get to the word "friend" and think it's just a game mechanic.
What an invasion is and how they work: "I'm here to fuck up your day because I've got nothing better to do than be an ass*, and the only way you can avoid it is play offline or without full HP."
Dark souls 3 did it the best. At least then you could make the enemies in the levels see the invaders.
*Except the arena and the rare goober/honorable invader that helps you out.
Looks like someone lost their in their hosted fight club.
making a setting that disables any player invasion is just the only answer tbh
No. Keep invasions and get rid of password matchmaking
I've spent so much time joining random peoples games in PvE that I've just accepted that someone is going to invade, which is why I've just learned to be aggressive as f*** because I'm a guest, and I only benefit from being there, even if I die. But through this tactic, I've won a vast majority of PvP fights since returning to the game. I still don't like invasions, but I deal with it.
Like for real, not often I get summoned to help someone through the scenario, then one invader shows up and the other two back of like they had just seen the boogieman, I run to the red gost and kill him, like he´s just other player, because he is.
The skill gap is not a real isue when there are blues in the play, as they tend to be just as skilfull and prepared as the invarders.