Scientifically Dating Göbekli Tepe: How Old REALLY Is It? | Ancient Architects
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- I’ve seen a few comments in the past few days that have questioned the dating of Göbekli Tepe with some people believing the site is much older and some believing it’s much younger. Some people have even said how they’ve never seen any radiocarbon data published.
Well, a simple Google search not only brings up a blog post about the subject by the German Archaeological institute, but also a paper by archaeologist Oliver Dietrich, so the information is available if you really want to find it. Accurate data is even listed on Wikipedia. These links are all listed below.
Even though the information is not hard to find, I thought I’d put together a short video anyway to give a brief overview of what we know.
Before archaeologists conducted radiocarbon dating, the specific types of archaeological projectile points and lithics gave a clear indication of the age of the site, types and forms of artefacts that are well understood and dated from other sites in the region.
Of course though, radiocarbon dating was also undertaken and in this video I go through exactly what we know so far, although more dates have also been collated and are yet unpublished. Watch this video to learn more.
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A key to help you navigate this video:
- 10th millennium BC: 9,999 BC (early) to 9001 BC (late)
- 9th millennium BC: 8,999 BC (early) to 8001 BC (late)
- 8th millennium BC: 7,999 BC (early) to 7001 BC (late)
So if I say late 10th millennium to early 9th millennium BC, it means, for example roughly between 9,300 to 8,800 BC.
The mid-9th millennium BC would be around 8,500 BC.
Yes, this did get confusing whilst researching but I hope this makes sense! It's the terminology used by the archaeologists working at the site. Check the blog post linked in the description below for more.
So why are there so many bowls at Karahan Tepe if this truly is a none farming civilization, like 10,000 stone bowls. Yes they must of harvested wild grasses but I recently watched a video on the evolution of the bushels. He said as soon as we started cultivating properly they automatically started evolving to be cultivated by us. But this is after these settlements where abandoned and Karahan Tepe isnt fully excavated so how many bowls will they find in the end, can you give any explanation whats going on here. I know you are going out there later this year would you be able to get a good look at the bowls in the rows and start trying to figure out why so many if you have the time?.
Excavating and looking into the trash is relatively new, but gives some very usefull information. They had loads of beer stored there. Beer and bread. Other pottery had rests of cooked meals.
Gobekli Tepe was our first big Drive-in. And surrounded probably by work shops, a big shopping mall. The place was occupied for about 2000 years, and the not only abandoned; it was purposely buried. To conserve it?
@@MichaelWinter-ss6lx but its 10,000 stone bowls over an occupation of around 1500 years it works out at 7 stone bowls being carved every single day. With the bowls still intact why would you need so many each day if the ones you carved in the days, weeks, months and years before where still in perfect order to be used. How long does it take to carve a bowl out of the stone, how many man hours and how many people where going at it and for what purpose. I know everyone is fascinated by the enclosures but its stuff like this that will give us more of an insight into what they where up to.
Hello, Matt. I had a Eureka Moment when watching a video on the Spool Paradox by Physics Girl and Steve Mould. THIS IS HOW THEY BUILT THE PYRAMIDS 🤯🤯🤯
Always get excited seeing what new wonders and thoughts are going to be presented by this channel.
so people were there for a long time, that's so damn cool to think about ✌️💚
Yes. It was an active settlement for centuries
When they don't trust Google, they can count on Ancient Architects.
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its not they dont trust, you go way too far with your reasoning, its just they dont know how to use💀. Yet these bot-like individuals come here commenting about stuff they have no idea what they are talking about
@@xtremelemon8612are there actual people that have seen the racial archeology that the British are pretty famous for.
@@xtremelemon8612or they are actual people that have seen the racial archeology that the British are famous for.
@@AncientArchitects I am visiting the site October 12 thru October 25 2024. I will get back to you with my guess-timation when I get back.
I watch before going to bed. Whisper soothing information into my brain brother 🐈🐈
To me, the work in between pillars looks like it was never designed to have been that way and added later. There is no way that the original build plan was too put massive work into the pillars and floor then finish it off with crappy rock walls in between them. Now pick up a pillar from the floor and carbon date whats in between that, pick up a piece of the floor and see whats under that. Like most of these sites, they never dig deep enough. I would think that any dating done here just shows the latest it was inhabited, like peeling the top layer of paint off of Buckingham Palace.
Like he says in the video around 3:30
You should fly over there Sean and start straightening all those incompetents out, they're lost without you.
Right
Always better to assume that you know better than the experts.
I agree about the crappy walls built in between the pillars along the sides, but it seems to have served the purpose. Archeologists have said that some of the pillars look reused, and that some of the carvings are covered by the stone walls. What does it mean? I have no idea. But it's good to keep looking at it and pondering. There are older sites near there that are similar to this one. They call the whole complex Tas (pronounced like tash) Tepelar now, I think.
If the phrase "A gift that keeps on giving" weren't used in so many negative instances, it would definitely apply to Göbekli Tepe. This site has provided the most clear, consistent and no nonsense coverage. Thanks, Matt, for your hard work and meticulous presentation of facts, graphics, reconstructions and theories [notably theories with scientific backing and caveats as necessary]. These videos are something to look forward to, so well researched that a rerun always results in additional data to be absorbed. Thanks again for everything!!!!!
That means the site was occupied or used for more than a thousand years before being intentionally buried. That's amazing in of itself, especially considering they didn't change the building construction style or architecture during that long occupation. This seems to indicate a stong cultural bond.
*Part of it was intentionally buried.
It could indicate ruthless population control, such as in Russia, Turkmenistan, North Korea, or China. Or one could say, strong cultural bondage.
It is indeed but not the only case. Remember that we're closer in time to Cleopatra than she was to the pyramids... by almost a thousand years. Other millenary sites I can think of are Stonehenge, or probably the ritual sites of Athens or the VNSP civilization of what is now Portugal (also the towns, of course, but trying to stick to the ritual monuments here). There are probably many more, including Christian sites in Rome and such or even Muslim ones at Mecca. A thousand years religious-cultural continuity is quite impressive but not that uncommon.
Many archaeologists at the site do not believe that it was intentionally buried (for the most part). After working at the site over many years and decades, they believe that slope slips (debris falling in from the sides) led to much of the in-filling.
No habitation of any size does not change in 100 years let alone a thousand... none! Think about that...just normal wear and tear will cause changes in buildings, streets/road, etc.. Name one habitation site that sows no changes for 1,000. Therefore one of these has to be wrong: the length of occupation or the date of the site, if not both. Someone is profoundly inept or they are lying to you. I have to be of a mind that the host is stuck in a quandary. Use another dating method.
Thank you for continuing to record and show the new Mirazan sites (the original, local local name for the recent official government name). Mirazan means a "miracle maker". The local, childless women give offerings at the hill, hoping for a child. The fertility myth of the hills, still lingers. Mirazan is the meaningful, local name for this entire super old civilization/culture. A lot better than the silly name of Gobekli ("potbelly")-- given to it by the ruling government there . I hope you continue showing us more and more of the Mirazan sites as they get dug up
Miracle Maker. I love that.
When I first saw a video about this place, they said local people used to gather there in the spring and bring food and have a picnic or something - I don't really remember now but it was in the spring, so it makes sense it would be a fertility related celebration, or about new life. Thank you for giving us the original name of the place and people who lived there! That's fascinating!
I'm pretty sure the culture is called Nevaliçorian on its archetypal site Nevali Çori, not far from GT.
@@LuisAldamiz I am afraid not. Neval Cori is younger than Mirazan prime site ("Gobekli"). A correct and chronologically accurate name would be more proper and would prevent people starting on with a wrong designator. Mirazan is so authentic and meaningful (Miracle Maker) than various irrelevant names. Local womean still consider the hills to make miracles for them by bestowing fertility on them! Isn't this reason enough?
@@ellen4956 Yes, it is a Miracle Maker site to the locals, and they call it by that name--Mirazan
Does age really matter? Dating should be about how much you like someone not weather they've had aliens deep inside them....😂
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They probably had aliens deep inside them. They screwed with the dates.
I'm watching this channel from the beginning several eyars ago and as always: great work!
Thank-you for a great exposition on the dating! As always, I enjoyed it.
Old stuff was better
I live in a sealed metal tube and only watch this channel
I thought you died a couple months ago.
Great information. Thanks Matt!
Caption should be “How old IS IT really”not really is it
I absolutely love this channel!
I recommend more skepsis regarding the early carbon dates. The atmosphere had changed drastically around the late 4th millennium bc. There was a collapse of primordial stratospheric water vapor (with subsequent ice-age and floodings). This affected not only the climate (enhancing seasonal cycles) but also the radiation from the sun acting on N¹⁴ in the atmosphere causing more C¹⁴ to be built up and assimilated by plants.
So when was the ice age in relation to this? 🙏🙏👍👍🇬🇧🇬🇧
My family likes to joke that they found Bedrock. We wonder if one of the buildings is the Buffalo Lodge? Thanks for the update. I can only imagine the labor that went into the household basins and bowls. Stone is not an easy material to work but it holds up pretty well. Weren't some of the floors travertine?
So, hunter gatherers built it? I like the carvings on the pillars, it would be nice to imagine sitting in there after a hunt, with the firelight flickering telling stories about your greatest hunt.
And quietly chipping away at the pillars with flint chips.
The builders were a hunter-gatherer society. That doesn't mean everyone in the community was involved in hunting and gathering. Some could have been stone workers.
@@baarbacoa Yeah bro, but i'm a hunter.
Thank you Matt 👋🏼
Very interesting recap, TY. I'd like to know if this GT culture (Nevaliçorian) was ancestral to the later Halafian one (a transitional site exists at Tell Sabi Abyad). If so we could infer that they must have spoken proto-Tyrsenian, which is almost certain of Halafians and derived cultures of Asia Minor and the Balcans (Dimini-Vinca, extending all the way to the Bronze Age in some areas like Thessaly, and more controversially Troy and generally pre-IE Arzawa, or even the classical age at Lemnos). Alternatively the Halafians were indeed intrusive (as believed in the past) and thus the ethnolinguistics of the GT people would surely have gone extinct before the historical era (unless they can be tracked to some of the various groups of the Caucasus, I guess).
What's the "REAL" Problem at Gobekli Tepe? Founded in 1996, and to this day only 5% has been excavated. Yet we know know (somehow) that those who built Gobekli Tepe were the ones to actually cover the site up to save for future generations. Something important is at Gobekli Tepe that does not sit okay with the "rich and powerful" of the world? How could a 10,000 year old archaeology site threaten such powerful people of today? What is is the explanation? Maybe that Turkey is a Muslim country and Gobekli Tepe does not support the narrative of the Qaran? Either way, there is no excuse for it. Because somebody knows and doesn't want to share.
Thank you again for giving a explanation of a complicated subject that I can understand.
Good video.Thanks. The dates for Gobekli Tepe really fit dating of other places and events. I think Gobekli Tepe was the first "villages" after the Great Flood from the Younger Dryas event. Otherwise known as Noah's Flood. People talk about Hunter-Gatherers being one group of humans, and another- those who "farmed". But they are all one and the same. 1) It would take some many years for the world to dry out to the point farming was feasible so being a "Hunter-Gatherer" was the only way to survive after the flood. 2) The Human Genome Project confirmed there is an "original man and woman" the parents of all of us and they got their start in the Caucasus Mts. Just North of Gobekli Tepe. Not Africa.
Matt you’re speaking normally- now I’m back.
I believe that there are much more important, powerful reasons for these structures having being created, used for a time and then hidden away again.
My own belief is that Gobekli and Karahan
Tepe have to do with the repopulating of the planet with all the different types of creatures after a great catastrophe virtually wiped every type of land dwelling creature off the face of the planet.
A kind of ancient underground laboratory if you like, from whence they rebred and repopulated all the world's animals. If Noah's ark (which apparently also landed in Turkey) was real, then think about it . . afterwards there would have to have been a sacred safe environment like this where breeding programs could be conducted and controlled. It would then make sense as to why the whole place was covered up and hidden away again afterwards. Perhaps the T-pillers represented different land masses or regions all around the world. Those many important looking carved 'handbags' could represent that these contained the very essential sperm or DNA of all the different endangered species.
I also believe that the WEF are well aware of the true relevance of Gobekli and are literally trying to bury the truth again by not allowing archaeologists have access to dig the remainder of the site, that's why I'm going to repost this message on every Gobekli Tepe related video I can find.
You can call me mad or whatever you want, don't care.
May the Lord God bless you all, His truth shall be revealed.
I'm not arguing over the age, but remember clay and lime plasters need fairly regular touch-ups, repairs, and occasional replacement. As does natural mortars. Even modern mortar in brick walls sometimes needs significant repair work. That can further muddy the dating. (Pun intended)
Stop using fairytale dates. Anyone even remotely serious about archaeology and academia and general intellectual honesty uses BP, not BC or BCE. To anyone outside of the cult mentioning the fairytales is an act of discrimination.
Thank you for focusing on the science in a world increasing governed by speculation.
Keep thinking these sites were to sift game animals including human and ready for processing. Even the center pillars could be for a landing craft to unload and load things. Lots of holding chambers in these structures, lots of images of animal and fallic, and winding corral like structures similar to rock walls being used as animal pens diversion chambers. Looks like transfer site for the spoils of a tame world.
Imagine living in a Neolithic settlement that had already been occupied for 1 or 2 millenia. With virtually nothing changing for literally centuries, the passage of time must have felt very different in those days.
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Im going with 1 jillion years old.
All those lives lived so long ago. Would be great to understand more about those people.
Thanks for this.
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really excellent information thank you
Excellent!
Dating is only first base.
That's really good thanks mate - I've often wondered how/which evidence has been gathered here... 👏👏
Calcium carbon ate nine.
How does any of that apply to the age of large pillars? The wall enclosure could have been added much later. If they think not, what is the reasoning there? It seems all that can be said is the large pillars that support the wall enclosure and the larger T-pillars were there sometime before the enclosure wall was built and before the fill.
Yes, but the stone tools used to make the pillars were found next to the fireplace that could be carbon dated.
Would the dating of the explosion of Santorini fall within your areas of interest? There is controversy as the answer could well upend currently accepting datings within Egyptology.
Greetings from the BIG SKY. A mighty old place.
so why was it burried, filled with dirt, stones?
Is this pre flood on a sequential time line?
Parallel to the end of the last ice age. Every old town is a settlement hill or "tell". After every war or fire the ground was leveled. I was once in the ancient cemetery in Rome (with the pyramid) and the city has now grown 10 meters above it with all the streets and houses.
Are you sure about this? Dates from fill and mortar are kinda junk science, all of the best data point to PPNB, The dates you use here are being revested based on evidence. See Lee Clare 2019 (and others as well) see also Dimitri Dendrinos 2017
Interesting.
If only to be a fly on the wall back then, the things we’d witness.
it was built well.
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Thank you Matt. Always a pleasure.
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i still strongly believe the unusual hurried fill of the site was the cause of a catastrophic flood at the time. Aka noahs flood.
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Ancient Architects say yes
How long could a building sit empty in New York City after it was built, used for decades and finally abandoned and covered over with rubble?
Without people, nature will probably take everything back in 50 years. Maybe some of New York's ruins would be visible longer. Or everything sinks into the sea without maintenance of the sewer system. The circles in Göbekli Tepe were deliberately filled in.
66.6 years 6 hours 6 minutes.. 5 seconds
27th, 28 May 2024
Whenever they claim something “is well understood”, such as the dates of stone projectile points, you’ve got to start being sceptical. That is exactly the part that requires closer scrutiny. I’m sceptical that they can reliably date the chronology of stone projectile points. And carbon dates can be dramatically affected by changes in cosmic radiation. There is evidence that such changes have occurred.
Right
Good thing we have experts who analyse data.
The projectile sequence is more solid than the rest of the data, being a composite of information across the region. The oldest dates cited in the video are kinda trash info, dating mortar has serious issues and should not be trusted, dating the fill again can not be trusted.
The following professionals summarize the concerns better than can be chat'd about.
See Lee Clare 2019 (and others as well) see also Dimitri Dendrinos 2017
@@killerfungis No mortar was used by the builders. It didn't exist then. As for dating the fill, they are extremely cautious on that matter too and have used multiple samples and methodes. Your reference is outdated.
@@telebubba5527 LOL your using a modern def of mortar/plaster. It would not matter how careful Klaus was, dates from fill and mortar/plaster are helpful hints at best, and are never sound science. You should really read the Lee Clare paper 2019 and Dendrinos 2017 (and others) for cursory review of the dating issues. The largest of these being, the fill originally thought to have been placed, it might actually have eroded in from above. So context issues and explains the mixed bag.
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It seems as though the archaeological scientists have estimated date ranges and provided evidence to support that findings. On the contrary I rarely here doubters offer an alternate explanation that includes evidence. They seem to rely solely on not trusting the methods used to determine age, and asserting that it couldn't have been so, because.
I would like to see people who challenge dating do more than throw stones at the methods, and be called to offer the alternative and evidence.
"How old is it, really?" Not "how Old REALLY is it?" I know that you're British, and therefore you have NO EXCUSE FOR THIS!!!
see what i did there at the end? lol
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I have wondered why, if they are temples, they were built on lower ground. Seems most temples are on top of the hill. Not sure it was a religious thing. More like clan houses.
The temple theory has since been dropped as new findings brought in new information. Though it's worth noting the site is near the top of a hill, so it's kind of hard to say it was build on lower ground.
I'm sure your video will help Graham Hancock to better understand the dating of Gobekli Tepe and also answer many of his questions. Cheers 👍
There's an interesting saying, "You can't change a person's mind when his income depends on not changing it."
Graham needs to be banned from Gobekli Tepe just like he's banned from Giza 😂
Nothing will change his mind, especially considering his income depends on it. Perhaps he really does know the truth but he's a grifter? Either way, I don't pay attention to anything he has to say.
It’s much easier to not ask questions than to deal with the backlash.
@@JonnoPlays right. Everybody knows you can haul a600 ton rock in a reed boat many miles chip it perfectly with bronze tools and haul it up a ramp made with sand. Anybody that questions that is not “peer reviewed”!
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And he's British and everybody knows the British made sure to date everything that they took over and destroyed. You know how to find your cultural history? Look in the British museum.
The British always made sure that they did the best stuff first.
Sorry about that Matt, I just really had to throw that at you.
Weird there are no animal remains to be found when they were slaughtered and sacrificed en masse at these temple settlements.
It was said in the clip they carbon dated an animal tooth. Perhaps they do not explictly show the garbage heap. We cannot conclude from this that there is absence. Why always sacrifice? There is no sacrificial altar in these places. In the depictions, all animals are alive and are worshiped more as nature gods or gifts from the Heavenly Father.
But logically the dates don’t add up. We have multiplied from ‘thousands’ to 8 billion in around 5,000 years, which means there would have been zero population growth between 9,0000 and 5,000 years ago, and yet the builders were as intelligent as us. And it doesn’t make sense when 70,000 year old human bones were found in a cave…did no other human use that cave during that time period, unlikely. If these time periods are true then there should be billions of stone structures.
For most of history there was only a minor population over the whole of the world. Around 10.000 BC it was about 4 million globally reaching up to 190 million in the year 0. It took to around 1800 to reach the first 1 billion people and 1,65 billion in 1900. The growth rate between 10.000 BC and 1700 AD was 0,04% per year. Just to give you an indication of what you are talking about. In the year that I was born in 1956 it was just less than 3 billion, so I have witnessed a growth of 5 billion people in my life, nearly double the amount when I was born.
So in short, it does make sense that no one else used that cave, because there was more than room enough to seek other resting places. It would have been pure chance if someone else had used it. It also explains why there are not billions of stone structures. You truly have to rethink, as many others need to do, about the amount of people who stood at the start of our civilization. Not very much, I can tell you, astonishing low numbers of people and very, very scattered.
@@telebubba5527 Good answer! Thanks.
Fascinating place and time for a much older civilization that came before it.
and what civilisation would that be then?
Well its pushing it to say this was a civilisation, and there is certainly no evidence to suggest there was any civilisations before it.
What do you mean?
@@davidgreen6490 Well ancient architect was showing how there was a smaller scale some what older group before this called the Natufians. They even had a some what similar if simpler construction as well.
But well, that just makes Gobekli Tepi the logical continuation in development I guess.
@@Quickshot0 Sure, but we would not call the Natufians a civilisation. There are 5 criteria that we use to define a civilisation - (1) advanced cities, (2) specialized workers, (3) complex institutions, (4) record keeping, and (5) advanced technology.
There is some debate on the 4th as it usually implies a written language..
Seems to have been occupied for a long time.
I'm somewhat sceptical with the use of lithic type as dating method. In cases where a site is re-discovered/reused by later group, it could be somewhat misleading. The same with dating the wall material as it's hard to tell if the wall were constructed much later after the pillars by different group or if they are contemporary with the pillars. You can see the wall covering parts of the pillars' artwork in various places (including the famous pillar 43). If they are contemporary, why cover part of the art work?
Various parts of the site were re-purposed over time.
I dislike those who lie to make themselves ferl more important
Relevance?
Me too!
Who are the builders what is there culture writing explain how they did this before your history of the world
The one thing that confuses me is that these people were quite capable of building very challenging structures in the tenth mellinium BCE but no housing structures of the same period have been found. Pillars cutting, moving and placing did not occur over night. The workers had to eat something and had to sleep somewhere. Somebody had to come up with meals for the workers.
Thus my question, were the rectangular houses that were in use long after the circular enclosures were filled in, built on top of the original houses of the workers?
One has to remember that the easiest and quickest to build materials would be things that time would pretty much completely erase, like say wood.
Beyond that we don't really know over how long a period of time these were made, if they spent decades on one enclosure as a kind of community project, then worker could become relatively fuzzy and indistinct. Instead it might just be when people had free time then, like when there was nothing to hunt, winter periods of time perhaps, etc.
So sadly due to how old the site is, it is thus pretty hard to determine in what way the construction was organized. So many of the clues that might say more probably have just been lost to time. And all that is left might just be the more enduring parts, basically those things made from stone.
@@Quickshot0 Work processes were no different then than they are today. Someone has to come up with the idea. That idea may have been original with someone at GT or more likely from some other past project somewhere else. Regardless, once the idea is conceived, it must be presented to the leaders of the community. Leaders had to be convinced then just like today.
Someone had manage the project. It required workers along with necessary tools. Workers have to learn how to use tools and the tools had to be made by someone.
Again, everyone had to eat and sleep just like today. Someone had to feed them and provide shelter.
@@clay-tw5gc Ancient architects has a video on the Natufians, who seemed to build some what similar structures. So that might be a potential source of the idea... or well, maybe it was mostly thus how people in the area had built things for thousands of years and this was just using some what more stone for it then before.
Beyond that I just noted that there are various ways to organize such things. Even today there is after all not just a singular way things get done, some places use a singular authoritarian leader, some use democratic means, for smaller projects like this is, at times it might even become more a consensus structuring where you can just find enough people who think it's a good idea.
There we know almost nothing about their society beyond what they built, it's kind of hard thus to say what exact approach they used thus.
Maybe they had specialized workers. Or maybe they had people who hunted and in their down time built things as a side project as well. We've certainly seen both those options in more modern times as well.
At the end of the day it's thus unclear how it was managed and run.
As for tools, this is the stone age still. So while there is some level of specialization potentially in tool making. So you'd imagine they'd just have whoever made stone tools before do so now, assuming that even was a specialist job at the time and not a generalist job.
Tool use of course needs to be learnt, but at the same time could just be demonstrated by ones parents for all one knows.
At the end of the day while these projects were more sizable then earlier ones. They're still also not actually all that big either. Leaving the question open how much specialized labor would be needed for it, or if generalists would have done most of it.
@@Quickshot0 specialized labor is fundamental to all tasks. All task whether cooking (which I am lousy at) or designing and building tools and structures must be learned somehow someway. All skills require practice. As the old saying goes, use it or loose it.
Skills such as designing a T pillar, cutting them out of quarry, hauling them to the construction site and finally installing them all require a minimum amount of skilled labor. That minimum labor must be maintained to project completion.
I guess I am looking at the GT structures through an engineer's eyes. From my perspective, that's the only way to get the job done.
@@clay-tw5gc I agree a minimum skill level is required. But it might still be at the level that generalists could pick up.
Which makes it hard to say if they had specialists sitting around for construction then, or just maintained the knowledge in the general community.
It is worth noting Gobekli Tepi is not unique, there are quite a few other sites. So it was clearly a construction method that was replicated. So however this skill was picked up, it probably spread out a fair bit over time.
Weren’t these hutts pointing towards certain constellations? Wouldn’t that give us a more accurate date?
accepted science be like " we used Mr. Peabody's wayback machine and asked the people who were building the site what year it was and they all said 14000BC" 😂
What about doing a video on the proposed just as old capital city in Lake Van?:
ruclips.net/video/SujrDDhqnvE/видео.html
(Towards the end, and they don't dare the city. But they point how many ancient cultures, point to the greater region as the origins of their civilisations).
Great content, sir. Even though this accent is like listening to nails on a chalkboard, I can't stop watching. Keep up the great work 👍🏻
When dates are given, coming from the enclosure, we have the building date of these walls, not of the pillars
The pillars are mostly, specially structured in a particular manner, and at all sides.
They were not meant to be supported by walls, as those would hide the artwork, which tell them an important story, or history.
would you use history books in a stone wall?
So, it must have been a very strong reason to hide the story to keep the pillars upright.
Stone spear points and knives are easy to make, if you have learned from the elderly, the abcense of iron and copper will force you to do so, and they did.
This doesn't prove an old date, it only proves they did not have it, for whatever reason.
construction began around 9600bc just after flooding from the melting of ice at the end of younger dryas warming?
Flooding at Gobekli Tepe?
most 'dating' techniques can not really be called science. they rely on assumptions and estimates with the basis being that everything has remained constant throughout time which is ridiculous assumption.
So you assume that you are more aware of dating methods than experts.
Trust the experts! That has never and will never steer us wrong.
@@LiveFreeOrDie2A I expect you must take care of your own medical conditions instead of trusting the experts. Better stop commenting also because experts designed the internet technology.
Please tell us uninformed people the actual time past we can understand , like how many hundreds of years or thousands of years before our time , pls !! I doubt understand your descriptions of time period , I know you are a smart man but smarter in this category than the rest of us !!
He did in the video. Roughly 11,000 to 12,000 years ago. Watch again and listen carefully, you will hear him say it.
@@ironcladranchandforge7292 tks !
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The disaster event that ended the Pleistocene was 12,044 years ago, in the regular Sun-Earth cycle of pole wander, magnetic anomalies & Solar proton events. To me, I see these as being in the exact time that the event occurred. And the next pole wander resolution in in 2046. Pole flips have been shown to be on average 350,000 years. Yet we have not had a pole flip for 750,000 years. I think these cities ended when the Pleistocene ended.
There is good chance that gobeki was buried with advancement of Muslim conquests, in Egypt the pyramids were stripped of stone for the grand mosque.
There's no real chance of that, those conquests started about 1300 years ago. This is like 10.000 years old and was buried after it became disused after a few thousand years. So by the time they'd have shown up, there was nothing to see.
@@Quickshot0 Thanks, is there any data telling us roughly when gobeki was buried.
@@paulroberts7429 This video discussed that, so basically there is. Though you should watch the video in detail to know more.
@@paulroberts7429 Watch the video!!!
@@paulroberts7429 No later then 7000 BC.
What is the evidence that hunter-gatherers actually built this? The age of the structure doesn't prove it.
The complete absence of agricultural evidence is a clue. You gather and/or grow food. If you are not growing, you are gathering.
@@Eyes_Open So absence of evidence is evidence of absence.
@@kennethmheck1 Evidence of one and not the other thus far.
Human writing does not go back further than around 6,000 years. Yet, people keep throwing these crazy numbers around, like 13,000 years and on and on. Being a carpenter myself, I know writing and mathematics are crucial to any building. Because there is no written history found at the site from it's builders, people just guestimate it's age, using carbon 14 dating, which time and time again has been proven unreliable as there is not way to keep out contamination. For example, a piece of seal skin for making shoes here in Norway as carbon-14 dated to be around 3,000 years old. Funny thing is, the seal was hunted a few years before the test LOL
The fact that no written history has been found at the site, such as in clay as cuneiform in Sumer, should in my opinion raise a big red flag here. The people and their history seems to simply have been wiped away, burying their buildings and stone structures under soil and rocks. Yet many have suggested that the burying of the sites was done by the people who lived there for some unknown reason(?). I mean this is hilarious! So, they buried the site and then what? They just moved to another site and buried it too? LOL
So you think carbon dating has been proven unreliable time and time again ?
It is true that in the early days it was not as accurate as it is now with better more accurate technology
It is also true that contamination can affect the results
This is why extreme care is taken when obtaining test samples
And also why mulptiple samples and multiple tests are done to cross reference and check
And of course you are quite welcome to provide your own dating method instead of just sitting in front of your computer and, ahem, throwing stones
By the way, would you please explain to us exactly how carbon dating works ?
Seeing as you're so quick to criticise it, I want to make sure you actually know...
There are various different methods of dating used there, not only carbon. Stratigraphy, tree rings, etc.
I worked with carpenters who could barely write their own name and had trouble adding and subtracting, neither of those skills are essential to building :)
@@PRH123 If you can't do math, i wouldn't here you as my employee.
@@TechnologyHive well, I'm devastated by that news, dreams have been shattered :) you must have quite a crew of playwrights and mathematicians installing countertops :)
@@PRH123 I live in Norway. Americans can't count to 10 or even know where to point Norway on a map. True story.
Always a joy, cheers!