I'm not sure the first trigger from Conduit of Ruin would work with the copy from Ulalek. From my understanding, the trigger would resolve once, shuffling the deck and putting a 7 drop on top. But once the 2nd trigger resolves, upon finding a second 7 drop, the forced shuffle would tuck the first drop you found back into the deck. Still a great include though, with a cost reduction of 4.
You can go infinite with the echoes of eternity, Ulalek, and the Spawn Gang Lieutenant by sacrificing two of the three spawns created to keep paying for the ulalek triggers and then make infinite spawns and sacrifice them to the Lieutenant to kill everyone at the table. Also you can just one shot kill everyone with Aetherflux Reservoir by copying the ability with ulalek and echoes. Just some of the few things you can do with Ulalek :)
Not the best in the set but it's definitely a bomb eldrazi deck.. also I think imma need to join the Patreon lol this video came out and the 50 dollars in upgrades are already like 75 😆 🤣
I did get a turn 5 win with this deck out of the box. Similar to what you mentioned in the start of the video, but i had ulalek down on turn 2 because of a sol ring into talisman start. Then i copied Glaring Fleshraker on turn 3, copied Chittering Disptcher on turn 4, then attacked with both dispatchers on turn 5. With the myriad triggers on the stack, i cast Eldritch Immunity (C eldrazi instant) that gives a target (the fleshrakers) protection from all colors and copied everything on the stack. 8 damage from spawns entering. 16 damage from dispatcher copies entering. That was 37 damage to each opponent before the 6/8/6 going at face and a pending 16 damage at the end of the turn when the 8 myriad copies left the battlefield and each left a spawn behind.
The trigger from Ulalek Copies ALL spells you control on the stack, not just eldrazi ones. Whenever you cast an Eldrazi spell, you may pay {C}{C} . If you do, copy all spells you control, then copy all other activated and triggered abilities you control. You may choose new targets for the copies
So if you play an eldrazi ulalek triggers and if you play an eldrazi in response you can retrigger ulalek so you can copy both eldrazis spells and their ability twice. That is a lot of mana but can be huge.
@@barongeoffrey75 wouldn't the last cast trigger only be copied once, since ulalek is added on top of it on stack once after? The second resolution of ulalek would be after resolution of the second eldrazi cast? Correct me if im wrong im noob
@@barongeoffrey75 or go cheeper. Mash in monstrous vortex. Cats Eldrazi with power 5+ copy with ulalek ability. Discover twice. If you discover into another power 5+ Eldrazi cast for free copy the discover, it the copies everything still on the stack. As long as you can pay the two and keep discovering into power 5+ creatures you just keep copying everything on the stack. Either that or I'm playing the game wrong.
For what it's worth, the face commander is a brood spawn that is a combo of both ulamog and kozilek's lineage and not a combination of the two titans themselves
Doesn’t the booklet reference Ugins hand in a pond analogy and says what if two hands went in at the same time? Ulalek supposedly destroyed a planet/was successful and hasn’t been seen since.
@@coolguywithahat Yeah hunterjoverstreet is completely wrong. Ulalek is what happens when Kozilek and Ulamog manifest in the same location on a plane, which has only ocurred one time to an unnamed plane.
ok, hear me out, instead of Vedalken orrey, Liberator, Urza's battlethoper. It comes in at flash speed itself, and costs less, both mana and money. Granted it is a creature so interaction is easier, but still, solid surprise move. And for those who do want to run the big splashy titans, mirror box is cheap
I’d argue that the titans work with Ulalek, even without Mirror Box available. Sure, you only get to keep one of the titans, but you also get a copy of any of their excellent cast triggers. The OG Kozilek and Ulamog also help you with recursion as their “shuffle graveyard into library” ability will activate even if it’s the token copy you’re putting into the graveyard
I had a hard time taking out Skittering Invasion just because if you copy it (it is a tribal Eldrazi card after all), then you’re getting 10 blockers AND 10 colorless mana for only 9 mana. I also threw in every colorless cost reducer I could find (like Herald of Kozilek or It That Heralds the End), basically making it so you can duplicate your big beaters crazy fast. Also, Leyline of Anticipation, Alchemist’s Refuge, Urza’s Battlethoper all give your spells flash as well. But the best flash enabler is Skittering Cicada, which gets +X/+X and trample for the mana cost of a colorless spell you cast. As a reminder, that is a cast trigger that will be duplicated with Ulalek, so you can incidentally make your 3-drop suddenly become a 17/17 trampler.
@@miekamariehodson1731 I keep putting that in and then taking it out. It's great, and doubles as insurance for the chromatic lantern everyone's gonna throw in there, but in the end, you really would rather have in the early game mana rocks/ramp spells that are 2-3, maybe 4 mana if you're stretching it. If you don't reduce the # of cheap ramp in order to fit Orrery into your deck, then you are trading it for interaction, card draw, or big Eldrazi payoffs, which in my limited experience is the hardest part of a deck to balance. So it keeps getting cut, as much as I keep trying to put it back in. [Oh, and the ancillary card draw it might have provided with its second ability gets squandered because only a handful of cards at most in your deck will cost colored mana and not have 'devoid.' Feels bad.]
I'm gonna be honest, this precon going for $140+ is a complete failure of the entire no-msrp landscape. I don't understand why wizards isnt revaluating this problem
What happened to these things going for $35 bucks? I think that was the pricing on the first set of decks. I realize that was a dozen years ago and thing go up in price but still…seems like they could easily be priced around fifty bucks and everyone still makes money.
Everytime I see people complaining about the cost, I count my lucky blessing of having a dope LGS with a killer owner that cares more about his customers than raw profit. Picked mine up during pre-release, would've never gotten the chance if he priced them like everyone else has.
Yea, my store did charge a "premium" for this deck compared to the others...$80. I thought that was completely fair and when I saw people saying this precon was $130-$150 I was so confused lol
@@MrTimmyGT Lowkey, if I was a business owner, I'd probably do the same at $80. Def arguably fair all things considered. Absolutely insane tho that others get charged 50% more ON TOP of that price. I'd be complaining nonstop too if that were me.
Usually... that means that store won't be around long. If they aren't maximizing their profit, LGSs don't make a ton of money to stay open. If they aren't maximizing their profit, that means they are sacrificing money on each sale... which means they have to sell more than a store that does. I've played magic for 20 years and every store I've seen open that is a "cool" store that prioritizing players happiness is usually gone a couple years later. I hope it's not true for your store, but I have yet to see one last long operating that way.
Ashley’s shirt is awesome lol. I always appreciate you guys transparency about the price and “bang for your buck” for consumers. Definitely has made me rethink quickly buying some things right as they drop as I’ve instead waited for better prices where I can find them
Abaout the Conduit of Ruin, you can't stack the top of your library with two scary things unless you manage to draw the first scary thing (from the copied ability) before the other ability (original one) resolves.
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Was going to comment on that. The shuffling is not optional, so it does not work, indeed.
The precon does come with some card draw, most notably Garruk's Uprising. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the copy of Conduit will resolve, you put your chosen card on top of your library, and then Garruk's Uprising would trigger before your second Conduit would resolve, correct? And yeah I know that card is literally 1/98 in your deck (sans Ulalek and Conduit), but that's why I threw in as much card draw as I could into my upgraded precon
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@@kstephenson5857 I'm pretty sure you're right. If the stack looks like this: Conduit spell < Conduit cast trigger < Conduit spell copy < Conduit cast trigger copy If you copied with Ulalek, then it works. Because you have a copy of the creature entering between the cast triggers. The creature entering would trigger Garruk's uprising, thus making it possible to draw the card before the original cast trigger resolves. Copying any other way that doesn't copy the body would not work with Garruk's Uprising, but having any way to draw a card at instant speed would still allow to get the card on top between the cast triggers (Prophet of Distortion, Snapping Voidcraw, Endbringer, Kozilek's Command, to name examples with the Eldrazi subtype).
If you are running Vedalken Orrery, why not run Leyline of Anticipation in addition or instead. The purchase cost is cheaper (less than $2) and you can start the game with it on the field, and it still only costs 4 total.
At 59:35 ish when they say copying conduit of ruin allowed you to stack your deck with 2 things is wrong because you first search and then shuffle so that means if you copy it with ulalek you search for a card shuffle then put it on top but when the second one resolves unless you search for the same card then the card you put on top with the original will get shuffled into the deck and then the second card you searched will be put on top
I'm surprised they didn't mention the fact that Kozilek's unsealing 4/5/6 trigger can be used modally depending on how you stack the triggers. If you put it on the stack AFTER Ulalek's trigger, it can help you pay for the trigger when you might otherwise not be able to. If you put it on the stack BEFORE Ulalek's trigger, it generates more mana for more explosive turns by generating extra scions.
54:09 at first glance I thought it didn’t work this way, since I’m 1 of the 3 people with a Verazol commander deck lmao. Kinda wild that with the similar spell copying ability, Verazol gets around the original spell getting countered, while Ulalek does not. Turns out that “copy that spell” vs “copy all spells you control” have very different implications 😅
I have had a pretty solid 5 color DEVOID deck for a long time. Mana Maze and Spreading Plague really control the table. Ramp/Draw/Control and Annihilator!
Correction at 1:06:10 you can copy it cause Ugin's Binding has "when you do", not "if you do" however they can just Stiffle before you copy it. Plus with how the stack works you would need to flash in another Eldrazi between the triggers. That being said, this is a crazy card.
Doesn't the may ability goes on the stack and I decide to exile it or not when it resolves? 'Cause I can copy the triggered ability (that's still a may) and my opponet will only get to stiffle one of them. Then I may exile the card for the unstiffled one and get it to resolve either way.
@@gabspvieira Ugin's Binding has 2 triggered abilities: 1st whenever you play a big thing you may exile Ugin's Binding 2nd "WHEN you do Cyclonic Rift". There will be a 2nd trigger. So you will know if they did exile Ugin's Binding and will have a chance to respond. Plus you can respond to Ulalek's trigger and Stifle Ugin's Binding before Ulalek copies it.
1:07:37 mutated cultist works well for me since i have 2 people in my group who love just to play toxic decks just to reset myself back to 0 if im runnin hot.
I might be wrong but isn’t the second part of Ugin’s Binding a reflexive trigger? Ergo, when you do exile Ugin’s Binding from the graveyard after it triggers, it puts a separate ability on the stack that says “return each nonland… etc” which can be copied by Ulalek’s triggered ability (which is also a reflexive trigger) if you flash in an Eldrazi spell. 1:06:17
I feel like Eldrazi Displacer has a lot of value as a protection piece in being able to blink your stuff in response to your opponents trying to remove it.
Very hard to come by. I pre-order it for £57 a month ago and then realized the only place left you could get that precon was Amazon, which is notorious for sending either incorrect decks or cancelling pre-orders.
Same! It’s also just come through my post and Ulalek seems totally busted ngl. Also pulled a foil echoes of eternity from the 2 card collector sample and combining it with ulalek a is hurting my head 😂
I played against this deck since my friend had a 5 color Eldrazi deck before this and it was pretty decent then, but now my god is it strong. The stack gets so high from all the copiees that you may as well be playing a storm deck. ONE thing I have to emphasize above all else is to make sure you practice this deck with players who are masters of the stack, ideally a judge because we took a few minutes during each activation to sequence it right due to the fact that this is now a truly well supported tribal deck. So you can run all the tribal synergy cards in full force along with all the new powerful eldrazi token generators, annihilate triggers, and cards like Kindred summons. And this heavily complicates the stack. To give you an example of how op this deck can be. I swords to plowshared Ulalek the turn he came out, and my friend still almost won the game due to how strong the new eldrazi tribal synergies are now, even without the commander. Also, anyone who wants to play this commander, don't be shocked if it's removed instantly, this deck is so freaking strong with all it's mana reductions and just every other spells creates spawns and scions so you have even more mana to work with. And now that you're in 5 colors, you have every possible answer to any situation in the game
what other cards other than the cards already being cut should be removed to add the honorable mentions? or what cards of the new ones being added should get replaced with the honorable mentions?
Can I just ask why zhulodok isn’t mentioned in cards to add? The way I’ve read it, if you cast a 7+ mana Eldrazi from your hand whilst zhulodok and ulalek are both on the battlefield, you can pay CC, copy the Eldrazi spell which now gives you two spells with cascade, cascade, and THEN you copy the triggers so each spell has double cascade, cascade no?
@@famousstranger8468 Cascade is a triggered ability, If you have Zhulodok on field, cast a 7 cost Eldrazi, use Ulalek's trigger, you will Cascade 4 times
@famousstranger8468 the cascade rule text reads: "when you cast this spell", which is indeed a trigger. Throne doesn't work with Zhulodok because Z gives the spell on the stack cascade, rather than himself, so it's not a trigger of a creature permanent. Ulalek operates differently.
I've been experimenting with Zhuludok. I figure you kill the original leaving the token in play because there's that shapeshifter that is basically gravedigger (return creature to hand from grave yard) but as it's classed as an eldrazi it can make another stack by itself and return OG zhuludok to hand and if you can keep copying mana rocks and eldrazi spawn etb's...
At 1:05:00 you're talking about "not being able to copy" Kozilek's Unsealing. Though not in the way you probably intended.. you did mentioned flash before and you could technically copy is by casting this and casting a flash/instant eldrazi spell while it's on the stack :P
Played two games with this deck today, absolutely loved playing it. I think it’s a scary commander so it gets targeted real quick, but it’s awesome when it does its thing!
Thanks for talking about this one, I have Eldrazi Unbound so ofc I bought this one too. But it's so difficult to wrap my mind around- I usually play casually and I've only been playing for 2 years off-and-on now. I really need to play this thing in a simulation so I can understand this one.
I think one such potential card to put in an azalask deck, is rukarumel from the commander masters slivers deck. It makes 1/1 colorless slivers, and can make those slivers also be scions or spawn. You could additional throw in maskwood nexus as it makes all your things into scions and spawn, and can be a mana sink to make colorless tokens.
Haha, look mom my name is on RUclips! Funny story, Sorin has actually become one of my favorite planewalkers. Maybe its fate I ended up with my last name lol.Its a running joke in my playgroup. Love you guys and your content, keep up the great work!
If you copy Conduit of Ruin’s cast trigger, will you fetch, shuffle, and then place on top. Then do that again? Thus nullifying the first fetch? Or does it basically put two fetches and they both end up on top.
I made changes to the mana base to add more blue/white due to the upgrades i did and some from this video being so blue and white heavy - cutting almost all of the black cards let me cut down on the swamp and dual black/x cards, and i kept green strong becsuse all of the draw is green or blue lol
not sure if you cover this later, Forsaken Monument doesn't double spawn or scion mana, as you don't tap them to get the mana; relevant if you're looking to play it in Azlask.
My favorite addition to this is Ramos Dragon Engine. With him on the field bringing out Ulalek immediately gives him his 5 + 1/1 counters so now it’s a 9/9 or sack the counters for 10 colored mana. Now imagine if spells at some point are copied and you bring out Ulalek a second time…gives you all the mana you need for your powerhouses while saving your colorless lands
I am big fan of Timey Wimey deck from Who edition of commanders and I just wonder if the Eldrazi are for me, still have not decided to because I love messing with my timers, making mess on the board but yeah, not sure if this is my playstyle, and hand to my heart, it is not cheap precon.
All in all.... i think this was a great break down of the deck and really good suggestions throughout. however, id argue keeping Eldrazi Displacer IN the deck not only for protection, but because if you add Brood Monitor, you can potentially make infinite tokens when adding Echoes of eternity, which also give you infinite mana. as well as Glaring Fleshraker causing infinite damage. so basically short story version, keep Eldrazi Displacer in the deck and add Brood Monitor to the deck.
If you cast a second eldrazi spell before you resolve the first ulalek trigger, don't you get a copy of the first trigger? This has infinite potential.
I have a lot of questions about Echoes of Eternity. If I copy it on the stack and make two, when I cast my next spell and copy everything on the stack how many versions will there be? Because wont the two Echoes of Eternity see each other trigger and make each other trigger an additional time? Plus won't they make Ulalek trigger two additional times? and won't the following Ulalek triggers be able to copy everything that proceeded them including the previous Ulalek copies? So.......You cast a spell -- both echoes of eternity trigger twice making 4 copies -- Ulalek triggers 3 times -- with first ulalek trigger you copy the spell and the 4 copies -- with second Ulalek trigger you copy the spell, 4 copies, and the 5 copies from the previous Ulalek trigger -- with the last trigger you copy the spell, 4 copies, 5 copies from 1st, and all 10 from second. If everything works out and you're able to pay for the two additional activations of Ulalek then you're making 40 versions of the spell. The original and 39 copies
Yes, copying Ulalek’s triggers leads to exponential copies of spells and triggers on the stack. This is an infinite combo as long as you have some way to generate an additional 2 colorless mana e.g. Drowner of Truth’s triggered ability
Just a question Rachel, the two Glaring Fleshraker on play as you cast a Eldrazi spell trigger their 1st ability producing 4 tokens, but why didn't the 2nd ability of Glaring Fleshraker trigger twice for the 6 colorless entering play?... you mention 6 damage for 12... shouldn't it be 24 damage?
0:25, Wouldn’t you only get 4 Fleshraker triggers? Copying a spell doesn’t count as casting. And Fleshraker is a “cast” trigger. So you wouldn’t get additional Fleshraker triggers for the copies from Ulalek. Or did I miss something? 🤔
I won a very tough game yesterday by playing Skittering Invasion and turning the 5 Spawn tokens into 5 - 4/4 Eldrazi Angels with flying and vigilance by playing Angelic Aberration. Turns the table pretty fast when suddenly you have 6 - 4/4 flyers with vigilance.
I just made some changes to my own version. One of the cards I added was Jodah, Archmage Eternal, Regenerations Restored, Ulamon, the Ceaseless Hunger, and Temur Ascendancy. There is some silly techs I threw in there and I'm excited to try my build
So, you can’t copy the forsaken monument to double your life gain, double ramp and double counters due to it being a legendary right, you would only get to get to keep one on the battlefield correct.
this is the one mh3 product i'm purchasing and i'm so excited ! i'm def building a deck with the 2nd commander so i'm glad this upgrade falls with that plan ! very glad i preordered it for $70 when it was announced 😅😅
I got this deck at a prerelease event last week and already added path of annihilation, echoes of eternity, toxic deluge, kozilek's command and desolation twin
Riot is not an ETB trigger but it also does not use the stack. It cannot be copied (although if you can copy Rhythm then you'll get double riot, which will let you choose both modes).
1:02:40 someone smarter than me if you establish infinite colorless mana, does Echo of Eternity + Ulalek go ....infinite isn't the right word, because it ends when you stop electing to pay the 2, but soft infinite? Ulalek Trigger copy the stack -> Echo, copy Ulalek trigger -> Ulalek Trigger copy the stack
Already works really well with most of them. Spawn and Scions are small enough to trigger Ezuri, anything that triggers Azlask will also trigger Meren, Minthara makes a fantastic anthem when you're ready to finish, and Otharri's tokens love the boost from Azlask.
I've heard the thing about the titans being like hands in a pool of water i like to think ulalek is just big kozilek and ulamog holding pinkies from the Blind Eternities :)
With eldrazi displacer you can really pop of with mana eco that as long you have 3 other eldrazi on your board you can run into infinite mana meanwhile the glaring fleshraker that’s a game ending pice
I get that this is a budget build but, Ulamog the Defiler to me, is a must add. That dude is insane. I also think Roaming Throne would be a good addition as well
They didn’t say it of course but liquid iv is GOLD for hangovers and just whenever you are dehydrated (stomach flu’s and other illness) it’s such a great product. Also, excited for this episode
Twinning Staff seems like an easy add for me, it gives you copies of your copies (it does copy any type of copy, not just instants and sorceries). Just try to imagine your Ulalek/Reflections interaction with a Twinning Staff in play :D
Question: when you cast Conduit of Ruin and copy it with the commander, are those tutor triggers stacked so that you search the first, shuffle, and put it on top then the second trigger resolves and you search shuffle and put the second on top? Meaning would you have to shuffle the first one away?
What do you think of this precon? Any cards we missed? Any cards we suggested to take out or add that you disagree with?
I'm not sure the first trigger from Conduit of Ruin would work with the copy from Ulalek. From my understanding, the trigger would resolve once, shuffling the deck and putting a 7 drop on top. But once the 2nd trigger resolves, upon finding a second 7 drop, the forced shuffle would tuck the first drop you found back into the deck. Still a great include though, with a cost reduction of 4.
@@ArtiePhillips ^
You can go infinite with the echoes of eternity, Ulalek, and the Spawn Gang Lieutenant by sacrificing two of the three spawns created to keep paying for the ulalek triggers and then make infinite spawns and sacrifice them to the Lieutenant to kill everyone at the table. Also you can just one shot kill everyone with Aetherflux Reservoir by copying the ability with ulalek and echoes. Just some of the few things you can do with Ulalek :)
Will you revisit once we have prices for the set’s cards?
Not the best in the set but it's definitely a bomb eldrazi deck.. also I think imma need to join the Patreon lol this video came out and the 50 dollars in upgrades are already like 75 😆 🤣
Y’all had the perfect guest for this pre-con
I did get a turn 5 win with this deck out of the box. Similar to what you mentioned in the start of the video, but i had ulalek down on turn 2 because of a sol ring into talisman start. Then i copied Glaring Fleshraker on turn 3, copied Chittering Disptcher on turn 4, then attacked with both dispatchers on turn 5. With the myriad triggers on the stack, i cast Eldritch Immunity (C eldrazi instant) that gives a target (the fleshrakers) protection from all colors and copied everything on the stack. 8 damage from spawns entering. 16 damage from dispatcher copies entering. That was 37 damage to each opponent before the 6/8/6 going at face and a pending 16 damage at the end of the turn when the 8 myriad copies left the battlefield and each left a spawn behind.
ya ulalek can get out of conrtol fast. Imagine if you had a a reflections of lit you would of had twice as many
If only we could get this precon for a fair f*cking price....
Factsssss
Egh I payed 80 for it
It was if you pre ordered the set of 4 for $200
I did, only payed 70ish for mine
I got it for $65
The trigger from Ulalek Copies ALL spells you control on the stack, not just eldrazi ones.
Whenever you cast an Eldrazi spell, you may pay {C}{C} . If you do, copy all spells you control, then copy all other activated and triggered abilities you control. You may choose new targets for the copies
So if you play an eldrazi ulalek triggers and if you play an eldrazi in response you can retrigger ulalek so you can copy both eldrazis spells and their ability twice. That is a lot of mana but can be huge.
@@barongeoffrey75 You could even flash in an Expropriate 7 {U} {U} and get copy it - if you got an Vedalken Orrery effect in play.
@@kosche99 eww gross xd
@@barongeoffrey75 wouldn't the last cast trigger only be copied once, since ulalek is added on top of it on stack once after?
The second resolution of ulalek would be after resolution of the second eldrazi cast?
Correct me if im wrong im noob
@@barongeoffrey75 or go cheeper. Mash in monstrous vortex. Cats Eldrazi with power 5+ copy with ulalek ability. Discover twice. If you discover into another power 5+ Eldrazi cast for free copy the discover, it the copies everything still on the stack. As long as you can pay the two and keep discovering into power 5+ creatures you just keep copying everything on the stack.
Either that or I'm playing the game wrong.
Cards In:
Emergence Zone
Vedalken Orrery
Void Grafter
Flayer of Loyalties
Reality Smasher
Dust Stalker
Rhythm of the Wild
Swiftfoot Boots
Reflections of Littjara
Conduit of Ruin
Cards out:
Mutated Cultist
Warping Wail
Skittering Invasion
Vile Redeemer
Ulamog’s Dreadsire
Sifter of Skulls
Idol of Oblivion
Eldrazi Displacer
Azlask, the Swelling Scourge
Suffer the Past
Honorable Mentions:
Echoes of Eternity
Eldrazi Linebreaker
Kozilek’s Unsealing
Sowing Mycospawn
Nulldrifter
Ugin’s Binding
For what it's worth, the face commander is a brood spawn that is a combo of both ulamog and kozilek's lineage and not a combination of the two titans themselves
Doesn’t the booklet reference Ugins hand in a pond analogy and says what if two hands went in at the same time? Ulalek supposedly destroyed a planet/was successful and hasn’t been seen since.
@@coolguywithahat Yeah hunterjoverstreet is completely wrong. Ulalek is what happens when Kozilek and Ulamog manifest in the same location on a plane, which has only ocurred one time to an unnamed plane.
Naturally the eldrazi queen here to upgrade the eldrazi deck. Love it. Also I need that shirt lol
ok, hear me out, instead of Vedalken orrey, Liberator, Urza's battlethoper. It comes in at flash speed itself, and costs less, both mana and money. Granted it is a creature so interaction is easier, but still, solid surprise move. And for those who do want to run the big splashy titans, mirror box is cheap
i already put both in lol
I’d argue that the titans work with Ulalek, even without Mirror Box available. Sure, you only get to keep one of the titans, but you also get a copy of any of their excellent cast triggers. The OG Kozilek and Ulamog also help you with recursion as their “shuffle graveyard into library” ability will activate even if it’s the token copy you’re putting into the graveyard
+1 for this suggestion. Also, the 'thopter has a cast trigger, which Ulalek can copy, which buffs the thopter when bigger spells are cast.
@@DancingGoat Remember, the intervening if clause means it checks when resolving too.
@@Greg501- That makes sense.
I had a hard time taking out Skittering Invasion just because if you copy it (it is a tribal Eldrazi card after all), then you’re getting 10 blockers AND 10 colorless mana for only 9 mana. I also threw in every colorless cost reducer I could find (like Herald of Kozilek or It That Heralds the End), basically making it so you can duplicate your big beaters crazy fast. Also, Leyline of Anticipation, Alchemist’s Refuge, Urza’s Battlethoper all give your spells flash as well. But the best flash enabler is Skittering Cicada, which gets +X/+X and trample for the mana cost of a colorless spell you cast. As a reminder, that is a cast trigger that will be duplicated with Ulalek, so you can incidentally make your 3-drop suddenly become a 17/17 trampler.
Chromatic orrery
@@miekamariehodson1731 I keep putting that in and then taking it out. It's great, and doubles as insurance for the chromatic lantern everyone's gonna throw in there, but in the end, you really would rather have in the early game mana rocks/ramp spells that are 2-3, maybe 4 mana if you're stretching it. If you don't reduce the # of cheap ramp in order to fit Orrery into your deck, then you are trading it for interaction, card draw, or big Eldrazi payoffs, which in my limited experience is the hardest part of a deck to balance. So it keeps getting cut, as much as I keep trying to put it back in.
[Oh, and the ancillary card draw it might have provided with its second ability gets squandered because only a handful of cards at most in your deck will cost colored mana and not have 'devoid.' Feels bad.]
I am glad I preordered the set. Got all four for $190. I was worried I overspent but I am very happy now!
Unfortunately you still overspent. But luckily for you the people (consumers) decide the price of the product to a large degree.
@@cmsfhmsI think it’s stupid that there’s no MSRP for ANY product in Magic. How is that any way to run a business
@@SwagMaster824 the msrp is $5 per pack, so good luck l0l
i got the deck for the original price of $60
I'm gonna be honest, this precon going for $140+ is a complete failure of the entire no-msrp landscape. I don't understand why wizards isnt revaluating this problem
Picked it up at a local retailer for ‘msrp’ at $72. It’s still out there, but gotta look
I got it for $20 at Toys R Us
What happened to these things going for $35 bucks? I think that was the pricing on the first set of decks. I realize that was a dozen years ago and thing go up in price but still…seems like they could easily be priced around fifty bucks and everyone still makes money.
Nope, it's a fair price.
Everytime I see people complaining about the cost, I count my lucky blessing of having a dope LGS with a killer owner that cares more about his customers than raw profit.
Picked mine up during pre-release, would've never gotten the chance if he priced them like everyone else has.
Yea, my store did charge a "premium" for this deck compared to the others...$80. I thought that was completely fair and when I saw people saying this precon was $130-$150 I was so confused lol
@@MrTimmyGT Lowkey, if I was a business owner, I'd probably do the same at $80. Def arguably fair all things considered. Absolutely insane tho that others get charged 50% more ON TOP of that price. I'd be complaining nonstop too if that were me.
Yeah I got mine for $85 at my LGS. Was ticked off that they raised the price until I called 3 other LGS's, and the lowest quote among them was $115.
Usually... that means that store won't be around long. If they aren't maximizing their profit, LGSs don't make a ton of money to stay open. If they aren't maximizing their profit, that means they are sacrificing money on each sale... which means they have to sell more than a store that does. I've played magic for 20 years and every store I've seen open that is a "cool" store that prioritizing players happiness is usually gone a couple years later. I hope it's not true for your store, but I have yet to see one last long operating that way.
same here
Ashley’s shirt is awesome lol. I always appreciate you guys transparency about the price and “bang for your buck” for consumers. Definitely has made me rethink quickly buying some things right as they drop as I’ve instead waited for better prices where I can find them
With this deck it's especially important to recognize the distinction between colorless mana and generic mana.
Abaout the Conduit of Ruin, you can't stack the top of your library with two scary things unless you manage to draw the first scary thing (from the copied ability) before the other ability (original one) resolves.
Was going to comment on that. The shuffling is not optional, so it does not work, indeed.
The precon does come with some card draw, most notably Garruk's Uprising. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the copy of Conduit will resolve, you put your chosen card on top of your library, and then Garruk's Uprising would trigger before your second Conduit would resolve, correct?
And yeah I know that card is literally 1/98 in your deck (sans Ulalek and Conduit), but that's why I threw in as much card draw as I could into my upgraded precon
@@kstephenson5857 I'm pretty sure you're right. If the stack looks like this:
Conduit spell < Conduit cast trigger < Conduit spell copy < Conduit cast trigger copy
If you copied with Ulalek, then it works. Because you have a copy of the creature entering between the cast triggers. The creature entering would trigger Garruk's uprising, thus making it possible to draw the card before the original cast trigger resolves.
Copying any other way that doesn't copy the body would not work with Garruk's Uprising, but having any way to draw a card at instant speed would still allow to get the card on top between the cast triggers (Prophet of Distortion, Snapping Voidcraw, Endbringer, Kozilek's Command, to name examples with the Eldrazi subtype).
If you are running Vedalken Orrery, why not run Leyline of Anticipation in addition or instead. The purchase cost is cheaper (less than $2) and you can start the game with it on the field, and it still only costs 4 total.
Because of colors
Double blue pips might be rough with a 6 color commander. It's not impossible it could be a problem.
Even better, for 3 generic mana you have Skittering Cicada and Liberator, Urza's Battlethopter, both of which are $3-4ish
@@Themadwollf those are the two I'm running in my eldrazi deck
At 59:35 ish when they say copying conduit of ruin allowed you to stack your deck with 2 things is wrong because you first search and then shuffle so that means if you copy it with ulalek you search for a card shuffle then put it on top but when the second one resolves unless you search for the same card then the card you put on top with the original will get shuffled into the deck and then the second card you searched will be put on top
I'm surprised they didn't mention the fact that Kozilek's unsealing 4/5/6 trigger can be used modally depending on how you stack the triggers.
If you put it on the stack AFTER Ulalek's trigger, it can help you pay for the trigger when you might otherwise not be able to.
If you put it on the stack BEFORE Ulalek's trigger, it generates more mana for more explosive turns by generating extra scions.
Cards to add:
Emergengce Zone, Vedalken Orrery, Void Grafter, Flayer of Loyalties, Reality Smasher, Dust Stalker, Rhythm of the Wild, Swiftfoot Boots Reflections of Littjara, Conduit of Ruin
Honorable Mentions:
Echoes of Eternity, Eldrazi Linebreaker, Kozilek's Unsealing, Nulldrifter, Sowing Mycospawn, Ugin's Binding
why on earth is Dust Stalker and Reality smasher upgrades? i would not put those in my eldrazi deck
Temur Ascendancy?? Solves both your haste and card draw problems in one card.
Seeing Ashlen back for this precon episode was the best part! Her shirt, Eldrazi Game, is fantastic too 😂🤣 long live the Eldrazi Queen!
54:09 at first glance I thought it didn’t work this way, since I’m 1 of the 3 people with a Verazol commander deck lmao. Kinda wild that with the similar spell copying ability, Verazol gets around the original spell getting countered, while Ulalek does not. Turns out that “copy that spell” vs “copy all spells you control” have very different implications 😅
Viva la Verazol!
1:06:10 You can copy reflexive triggered abilities, so you can in fact copy the last part of ugins binding if someone tries to counter it.
I have had a pretty solid 5 color DEVOID deck for a long time. Mana Maze and Spreading Plague really control the table. Ramp/Draw/Control and Annihilator!
Correction at 1:06:10 you can copy it cause Ugin's Binding has "when you do", not "if you do" however they can just Stiffle before you copy it. Plus with how the stack works you would need to flash in another Eldrazi between the triggers. That being said, this is a crazy card.
Doesn't the may ability goes on the stack and I decide to exile it or not when it resolves? 'Cause I can copy the triggered ability (that's still a may) and my opponet will only get to stiffle one of them. Then I may exile the card for the unstiffled one and get it to resolve either way.
@@gabspvieira
Ugin's Binding has 2 triggered abilities: 1st whenever you play a big thing you may exile Ugin's Binding
2nd "WHEN you do Cyclonic Rift". There will be a 2nd trigger.
So you will know if they did exile Ugin's Binding and will have a chance to respond. Plus you can respond to Ulalek's trigger and Stifle Ugin's Binding before Ulalek copies it.
1:07:37 mutated cultist works well for me since i have 2 people in my group who love just to play toxic decks just to reset myself back to 0 if im runnin hot.
Two of my favorite ladies talking about my newest favorite deck in one of my favorite archetypes and color combos.
Must be my birthday or something.
I might be wrong but isn’t the second part of Ugin’s Binding a reflexive trigger? Ergo, when you do exile Ugin’s Binding from the graveyard after it triggers, it puts a separate ability on the stack that says “return each nonland… etc” which can be copied by Ulalek’s triggered ability (which is also a reflexive trigger) if you flash in an Eldrazi spell. 1:06:17
I feel like Eldrazi Displacer has a lot of value as a protection piece in being able to blink your stuff in response to your opponents trying to remove it.
Lean into flash and go seedborn and anything that lets you draw a card whenever you cast a creature to keep your hand full
I’ve had this deck on pre order for ages so been looking forward to this upgrade I managed to pre order it for £55
I got it for 58£ about a week ago! Can't wait for it to arrive and upgrade it slowly as well.
Very hard to come by. I pre-order it for £57 a month ago and then realized the only place left you could get that precon was Amazon, which is notorious for sending either incorrect decks or cancelling pre-orders.
Same! It’s also just come through my post and Ulalek seems totally busted ngl. Also pulled a foil echoes of eternity from the 2 card collector sample and combining it with ulalek a is hurting my head 😂
@@amusician1771 thats so cool! How come you got it before the 14th? I thought that's when it actually comes out. Or do some people get it earlier?
@@AleksaStefanRadunovic
If the shop has a partnership with Hasbro, they tend to deliver about a week earlier. At least in Germany that‘s the case.
I played against this deck since my friend had a 5 color Eldrazi deck before this and it was pretty decent then, but now my god is it strong. The stack gets so high from all the copiees that you may as well be playing a storm deck.
ONE thing I have to emphasize above all else is to make sure you practice this deck with players who are masters of the stack, ideally a judge because we took a few minutes during each activation to sequence it right due to the fact that this is now a truly well supported tribal deck.
So you can run all the tribal synergy cards in full force along with all the new powerful eldrazi token generators, annihilate triggers, and cards like Kindred summons. And this heavily complicates the stack. To give you an example of how op this deck can be. I swords to plowshared Ulalek the turn he came out, and my friend still almost won the game due to how strong the new eldrazi tribal synergies are now, even without the commander.
Also, anyone who wants to play this commander, don't be shocked if it's removed instantly, this deck is so freaking strong with all it's mana reductions and just every other spells creates spawns and scions so you have even more mana to work with. And now that you're in 5 colors, you have every possible answer to any situation in the game
what other cards other than the cards already being cut should be removed to add the honorable mentions? or what cards of the new ones being added should get replaced with the honorable mentions?
would love to know this too
Miss her so much welcome back !!!!
Thanks a lot for going into detail on the tech about the stack, casting, copying etc. 👍🏻
Eldrazi Displacer can also blink out blockers or other attackers, which is nice just FYI
Progenitor's Icon to flash in Eldrazi is a good add too
Can I just ask why zhulodok isn’t mentioned in cards to add?
The way I’ve read it, if you cast a 7+ mana Eldrazi from your hand whilst zhulodok and ulalek are both on the battlefield, you can pay CC, copy the Eldrazi spell which now gives you two spells with cascade, cascade, and THEN you copy the triggers so each spell has double cascade, cascade no?
Cascade isn't a triggered ability it's why the roaming throne doesn't work in that precon
@@famousstranger8468 Cascade is a triggered ability, If you have Zhulodok on field, cast a 7 cost Eldrazi, use Ulalek's trigger, you will Cascade 4 times
@@RevonlyruGaming zhulodok's ability doesn't start with when whenever or at
@famousstranger8468 the cascade rule text reads: "when you cast this spell", which is indeed a trigger.
Throne doesn't work with Zhulodok because Z gives the spell on the stack cascade, rather than himself, so it's not a trigger of a creature permanent. Ulalek operates differently.
I've been experimenting with Zhuludok. I figure you kill the original leaving the token in play because there's that shapeshifter that is basically gravedigger (return creature to hand from grave yard) but as it's classed as an eldrazi it can make another stack by itself and return OG zhuludok to hand and if you can keep copying mana rocks and eldrazi spawn etb's...
At 1:05:00 you're talking about "not being able to copy" Kozilek's Unsealing. Though not in the way you probably intended.. you did mentioned flash before and you could technically copy is by casting this and casting a flash/instant eldrazi spell while it's on the stack :P
Played two games with this deck today, absolutely loved playing it. I think it’s a scary commander so it gets targeted real quick, but it’s awesome when it does its thing!
Thanks for talking about this one, I have Eldrazi Unbound so ofc I bought this one too. But it's so difficult to wrap my mind around- I usually play casually and I've only been playing for 2 years off-and-on now. I really need to play this thing in a simulation so I can understand this one.
Got this and the simic, was thinking of flipping the eldrazi until this video. Looks sorta fun.
The simic deck just has so much value in reprints I had to cop immediately. Sadly didn't grab the eldrazi one but I don't typically play them
I think one such potential card to put in an azalask deck, is rukarumel from the commander masters slivers deck. It makes 1/1 colorless slivers, and can make those slivers also be scions or spawn. You could additional throw in maskwood nexus as it makes all your things into scions and spawn, and can be a mana sink to make colorless tokens.
Haha, look mom my name is on RUclips!
Funny story, Sorin has actually become one of my favorite planewalkers. Maybe its fate I ended up with my last name lol.Its a running joke in my playgroup.
Love you guys and your content, keep up the great work!
Managed to get this one for $80, was quite happy
If you copy Conduit of Ruin’s cast trigger, will you fetch, shuffle, and then place on top. Then do that again? Thus nullifying the first fetch? Or does it basically put two fetches and they both end up on top.
I have the same question so I'll leave this comment and wait for a reply. :D
Nullifying the first yeah
It's a minor price to pay for 2 instances of cost reduction
@@Asderios Very true. :)
Love the Des Moines demons hat
Yes! Ashlen Rose back for the Eldrazi deck! The colorless champion returns! 🩶
I made changes to the mana base to add more blue/white due to the upgrades i did and some from this video being so blue and white heavy - cutting almost all of the black cards let me cut down on the swamp and dual black/x cards, and i kept green strong becsuse all of the draw is green or blue lol
This was a big help thank you! I added a rhystic study 😉
not sure if you cover this later, Forsaken Monument doesn't double spawn or scion mana, as you don't tap them to get the mana; relevant if you're looking to play it in Azlask.
Link is for graveyard overdrive, and is not valid. Got the correct deck build link?
Whoops! Updated
@@commandcast Thanks.
My favorite addition to this is Ramos Dragon Engine. With him on the field bringing out Ulalek immediately gives him his 5 + 1/1 counters so now it’s a 9/9 or sack the counters for 10 colored mana. Now imagine if spells at some point are copied and you bring out Ulalek a second time…gives you all the mana you need for your powerhouses while saving your colorless lands
I am big fan of Timey Wimey deck from Who edition of commanders and I just wonder if the Eldrazi are for me, still have not decided to because I love messing with my timers, making mess on the board but yeah, not sure if this is my playstyle, and hand to my heart, it is not cheap precon.
I’ve been calling the mana cost ‘Hybroid’
Better than what I was thinking of today. Paying dewhite, deblue, deblack, …
I'm happy I got the set of 4 for $200, just got in the mail as I sat down to watch this episode
Where can I get that ELDRAZI GAME shirt?????????
All in all.... i think this was a great break down of the deck and really good suggestions throughout. however, id argue keeping Eldrazi Displacer IN the deck not only for protection, but because if you add Brood Monitor, you can potentially make infinite tokens when adding Echoes of eternity, which also give you infinite mana. as well as Glaring Fleshraker causing infinite damage. so basically short story version, keep Eldrazi Displacer in the deck and add Brood Monitor to the deck.
If you cast a second eldrazi spell before you resolve the first ulalek trigger, don't you get a copy of the first trigger? This has infinite potential.
How about creating a nice Azlask spawning/scion deck? Would be awesome.
Really surprised you spoke about flash and Vedalken Orrery, but left out Skittering Cicada!
If you want to get rid of the tapped temples (why does wotc keep including them??), put in the Shadowmoor filter lands, as they also tap for colorless
I have a lot of questions about Echoes of Eternity.
If I copy it on the stack and make two, when I cast my next spell and copy everything on the stack how many versions will there be? Because wont the two Echoes of Eternity see each other trigger and make each other trigger an additional time? Plus won't they make Ulalek trigger two additional times? and won't the following Ulalek triggers be able to copy everything that proceeded them including the previous Ulalek copies?
So.......You cast a spell -- both echoes of eternity trigger twice making 4 copies -- Ulalek triggers 3 times -- with first ulalek trigger you copy the spell and the 4 copies -- with second Ulalek trigger you copy the spell, 4 copies, and the 5 copies from the previous Ulalek trigger -- with the last trigger you copy the spell, 4 copies, 5 copies from 1st, and all 10 from second.
If everything works out and you're able to pay for the two additional activations of Ulalek then you're making 40 versions of the spell. The original and 39 copies
Yes, copying Ulalek’s triggers leads to exponential copies of spells and triggers on the stack. This is an infinite combo as long as you have some way to generate an additional 2 colorless mana e.g. Drowner of Truth’s triggered ability
Cutting displacer is crazy. If you add any sort of token or etb doubler you can create infinte scion tokens with a couple different eldrazi.
Just a question Rachel, the two Glaring Fleshraker on play as you cast a Eldrazi spell trigger their 1st ability producing 4 tokens, but why didn't the 2nd ability of Glaring Fleshraker trigger twice for the 6 colorless entering play?... you mention 6 damage for 12... shouldn't it be 24 damage?
0:25, Wouldn’t you only get 4 Fleshraker triggers?
Copying a spell doesn’t count as casting. And Fleshraker is a “cast” trigger. So you wouldn’t get additional Fleshraker triggers for the copies from Ulalek.
Or did I miss something? 🤔
The triggers are doubled and when you cast a colorless it makes a spawn which enters and triggers damage as well.
I won a very tough game yesterday by playing Skittering Invasion and turning the 5 Spawn tokens into 5 - 4/4 Eldrazi Angels with flying and vigilance by playing Angelic Aberration. Turns the table pretty fast when suddenly you have 6 - 4/4 flyers with vigilance.
i got to play this at Commandfest agains the other precons and got the W. It played great. I am going to build the Azlask (Azlaska).
I just made some changes to my own version. One of the cards I added was Jodah, Archmage Eternal, Regenerations Restored, Ulamon, the Ceaseless Hunger, and Temur Ascendancy. There is some silly techs I threw in there and I'm excited to try my build
Forerunner of Slaughter is a good add in. It's a cheaply costed Eldrazi that gives haste to your other threats.
I see more Azlask with changeling and Maskwood Nexus kind of cards
First thing I thought was "5 colour Experience Counter typal!" xD
So, you can’t copy the forsaken monument to double your life gain, double ramp and double counters due to it being a legendary right, you would only get to get to keep one on the battlefield correct.
this is the one mh3 product i'm purchasing and i'm so excited ! i'm def building a deck with the 2nd commander so i'm glad this upgrade falls with that plan ! very glad i preordered it for $70 when it was announced 😅😅
I got this deck at a prerelease event last week and already added path of annihilation, echoes of eternity, toxic deluge, kozilek's command and desolation twin
Does Vedalken Orrery affect all your ramp artifacts when you flash them in and copy them with Ulalek?
31:34, Does the card that comes after glaring fleshraker have to be at instant speed to be on the stack?
Riot is not an ETB trigger but it also does not use the stack. It cannot be copied (although if you can copy Rhythm then you'll get double riot, which will let you choose both modes).
Ashleeeeen 🎉 we missed you. Nice to see the Eldrazi Queen around 🎉
Rachel with a hat is my new favorite Command Zone host
i JUST got this and im sooo exited to see it work!!!!
1:02:40
someone smarter than me
if you establish infinite colorless mana, does Echo of Eternity + Ulalek go ....infinite isn't the right word, because it ends when you stop electing to pay the 2, but soft infinite?
Ulalek Trigger copy the stack -> Echo, copy Ulalek trigger -> Ulalek Trigger copy the stack
I found an echoes of eternity alternate foil in the collector sample I got with the deck, talk about luck
Definitely thinking of making Azlask with all the other Experience Counter legends so that I can get max value out of them
Already works really well with most of them. Spawn and Scions are small enough to trigger Ezuri, anything that triggers Azlask will also trigger Meren, Minthara makes a fantastic anthem when you're ready to finish, and Otharri's tokens love the boost from Azlask.
I feel like there are other eldrazi fusions down the line... Zhulakul, Kozimog, Kozikul, Emralek, Kozidok, etc.
Thanks guys!!!! Excellent tips!!!!
When are you likely to do the graveyard one?
Does Selective Obliteration destroy lands as well if its not the color choice?
I've heard the thing about the titans being like hands in a pool of water i like to think ulalek is just big kozilek and ulamog holding pinkies from the Blind Eternities :)
I'm feeling pretty lucky! My pod wanted to pre-order the 4 precons. We each wanted different ones so we split the $200 pre-order evenly.
With eldrazi displacer you can really pop of with mana eco that as long you have 3 other eldrazi on your board you can run into infinite mana meanwhile the glaring fleshraker that’s a game ending pice
I get that this is a budget build but, Ulamog the Defiler to me, is a must add. That dude is insane. I also think Roaming Throne would be a good addition as well
Would urzas incubator work for the cost reduction of eldarazi spells?
Flippy Heliod is also a great add for both ways to build this. Flash and cost reduction!
I’ve missed Ashlen, we need to see her here more often!
I thought that Ulalek was a mixture of Ulamog's and Kozilek's spawn - which is why their power isn't higher
They didn’t say it of course but liquid iv is GOLD for hangovers and just whenever you are dehydrated (stomach flu’s and other illness) it’s such a great product.
Also, excited for this episode
Honestly, the spawns saved me more than once, I had Ulalek removed twice and with spawns I had no problem recasting it
Twinning Staff seems like an easy add for me, it gives you copies of your copies (it does copy any type of copy, not just instants and sorceries). Just try to imagine your Ulalek/Reflections interaction with a Twinning Staff in play :D
Nope
Question: when you cast Conduit of Ruin and copy it with the commander, are those tutor triggers stacked so that you search the first, shuffle, and put it on top then the second trigger resolves and you search shuffle and put the second on top? Meaning would you have to shuffle the first one away?
Yes, you’re correct. The first CoR trigger resolving is not useful unless you have a way to draw a card in-between the CoR triggers.