Breaking Ulalek, Fused Monstrosity out of the box 🛠 Eldrazi Incursion Precon Upgrade
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- The Eldrazi Incursion precon is a great start to building an Eldrazi Deck in Commander, but how to we make the MOST of Ulalek, Fused Monstrosity? And where did they come from??
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Capricious One comes to mind. Throw in Rogue's Passage with it and every time it deals damage, it creates Spawn tokens equal to the damage. While it's heavy on Casting Cost, that is crazy fast ramp that makes it quicker to call out the big guns.
I love Capricious One in Purphoros decks!
Thanks for going through things at a slower pace! As someone who struggles with the stack, it means a lot that you walk us through it so we can better understand.
Glad to help!
Ulalek is a lot more confusing just reading it, but makes a lot more sense when you’re actually at the table.
Great upgrade suggestions though.. eBay basket at £60 so thanks 😂
To be fair, if you can copy skittering invasion, you’re paying 9 to produce 10 spawn that make 1 each. If you have echoes out and can cast another eldrazi on the stack, you can get 40 or more
3 questions:
1: so if I’m understanding correctly, Ulalek creates a token copy of each non-legendary card you have in play, so I’d have 2 From Beyond and 2 Urza’s Incubators?
2: Probably a dumb question, but do tokens count as spells for this effect? Like, would the amount of Eldrazi Spawns and Scions I’d have double?
3: would it make copies of previously made copies?
Ulalek only copies things on the stack, nothing that is already in play
@@CommanderMechanic ah, thank you
hi, at minute 1.50 you say that it is possible to maintain priority on the ulalek trigger to cast an instant, did I understand correctly? It doesn't seem possible to me, could you explain better please. I would like to know why I just bought eldrazi thanks
to hold priority is to respond to your own spell before opponents have a chance to. When you cast a spell normally each opponent gets a chance to respond and if they don't your spell immediately resolves. To hold priority is to ensure you get a chance to do something with an existing spell or ability on the stack before it resolves or checking to see if opponents let it resolve.
@@CommanderMechanic ok but correct me if I'm wrong: ulalek on the battlefield, I cast an eldrazi spell, trigger ulalek and keeping priority I cast an instant. resolves: instant, ulalek trigger and then the eldrazi spell with respective copy if I paid 2cc but I can't copy the instant right?
Can this sequence happen?...
Vile Redeemer{when you cast this spell, you may pay ().} [ I paid the ()]
In Response... I flashed in Elder Deep-Fiend{emerge[sacrifice vile redeemer}
Question do i make a token from vile redeemer?
#edited
As long as the redeemer hasn't resolved yet and you've Emerged the Deep-Fiend, yes that works.
@@CommanderMechanic sorry, a follow up clarification...
Flashed emerge elder deep-fiend sacrificing the paid vile redeemer... Will the vile redeemer still make a token?
Honorable mentions to the following enchantments! :
Elemental Bound : Whenever a creature with power 3 or greater enters the battlefield under your control, draw a card.
Up the beanstalk : When Up the Beanstalk enters the battlefield and whenever you cast a spell with mana value 5 or greater, draw a card.
Emrakul's Influence : Whenever you cast an Eldrazi creature spell with mana value 7 or greater, draw two cards.
Path of Annihilation: (to help gain possible mana needed while sustain life to replace the damages you deal to your self due to pain lands.)
Devoid (This card has no color.)
When Path of Annihilation enters the battlefield, create two 0/1 colorless Eldrazi Spawn creature tokens with "Sacrifice this creature: Add Colorless."
Eldrazi you control have "Tap: Add one mana of any color."
Whenever you cast a creature spell with mana value 7 or greater, you gain 4 life.
For cost reduction, great choice whit Ursa incubator : Cloud Key!
Last of cost reduction, recommendation will be Shadow in the warp! A 3 cost Enchantment, 1 Generic and Red/Green
Shadow in the warp:
The first creature spell you cast each turn costs 2 less to cast.
Whenever an opponent casts their first noncreature spell each turn, Shadow in the Warp deals 2 damage to that player.
It is a really great way to tax an opponent who want to get rid of your cards wile giving you the 2 mana needed for Ulalek ability!!
Finally, the last is an old classic Zendikar Resurgent can be used to replace or complement the 2 monument of this deck!
Zendikar Resurgent :
Whenever you tap a land for mana, add one mana of any type that land produced. (The types of mana are white, blue, black, red, green, and colorless.)
Whenever you cast a creature spell, draw a card.
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On a personal note yes Roaming throne in this deck is INSANE!
You also forget to mention a MASSIVE ramp card from the set!
#1 :Sowing Myscospawn
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Kicker {1}{C} (You may pay an additional {1}{C} as you cast this spell.)
When you cast this spell, search your library for a land card, put it onto the battlefield, then shuffle.
When you cast this spell, if it was kicked, exile target land.
#2 : Territory Culler
Devoid (This card has no color.)
Reach
Landfall - Whenever a land enters the battlefield under your control, look at the top card of your library. If it’s a creature card, you may reveal it and put it into your hand. If you don’t put the card into your hand, you may put it into your graveyard.
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Also, replacing one or 2 big boys with those can make it more effective depending on who you face off!
Bane of Bala Ged
Conduit of Ruin
Deceiver of Form
Endless One
Reality Smasher
Thought Harvester
For big boy I strongly suggest : Kozilek, Butcher of Truth or Ulamog, the Infinite Gyre for the effect part : When XXXXX is put into a graveyard from anywhere, its owner shuffles their graveyard into their library.
Your lore is incorrect Ulalek is before the gate watch where Ulamog and Kozilek spawn in the same spot creating a brood from both.
Yeah I'm really curious where he got his info from 😓
Yeah, immediately paused there as I was extremely confused as to where this lore is from. Ulalek's pamphlet states that Ulalek appeared on a plane that has long since been drained of its mana
Spreading Plague is a must-have inclusion to a mostly devoid deck. It's backbreaking.
Spreading Plague targets creatures that share a color with the creature. Devoid creatures have no color, so it would do nothing to a deck full of colorless/devoid creatures.
@@ChaoticSorceror I think that's the point. All opponent's commanders are basically 1 sided board wipes.
@@anthonymonroe852 Oh I misunderstood. You're right!
It was the first card I added to the deck with I got it. Lol
Stuff like basalt monolith could be good cause while mana generation cant be copied the untapping can. And, i might be wrong i am tired, cant that be chsined infinitely as well?
I added Kozilek, Butcher of Truth and out paced two mill decks 🤣 Pulled him while cracking Double Masters 2X2 packs. Now he has a home
I know this is mainly anecdotal knowledge, but Eldrazi Conscription won me game with this deck that I was sure to lose. I was playing against my friend who ran my Zhulodok deck, and right before he was able to hit me for an unblockable commander damage kill (we‘re two boardwipes into the game), I drew and cast Eldrazi conscription, copied it with ulalek, put both on him and oneshot with commander damage. Suddenly the 2/5 is a voltron commander and can retaliate like crazy. IMO that alone was cool enough for me to keep it in.
I think Animar, Soul of Elements could be a great include. If its trigger is doubled once or twice with Ulalek, you'll cast your big guys for almost nothing, having ore mana left to pump Animar and in return saving even more on casting the next one and using Ulalek.
You are an evil genius. It is skirting away from tribal but it is very synergistic.
I Believe animar is a passive ability, not triggered or activated. All though i hope im wrong simply because i would love this combo
@@7maGic094 The +1/+1 counters are a trigger and the cost reduction is a passive. So, the combo works and it would gain counters twice as fast.
Animar is a better commander then inclusion
I added that one!
while i love the talkthough you did for the deck, do you or anyone here have a decklist for upgrades/removals only, being dyslexic and trying to type eldrazi names and spell check them into buying singles is a daunting task and would be appricated haha
You can look at the add/remove section of the Moxfield deck list to look at the history of cards removed and added! It shows only the cards added or removed.
Because of complex cards like these my commander games are becoming shorter in terms of rounds, but the games are longer because every single spell takes forever to resolve.
Relatable.
I would almost go with imoti over zhulodok if you want cascade. It's cheaper to buy and triggers cascade off of CMC6+ spells. It's not double cascade but still works
Great recco
A lot of the same thoughts I had when I looked at the deck. Ultimately, an Eldrazi deck is very strong and I opted for a different randomized approach with shuffling in Eldrazi from a stack to reduce power level.
One question; how did you get $118.80 to show up on Moxfield for a deck that is over $250 out of the box? Is there a setting that only shows upgrades? EDIT: revised to cheapest and price is almost exact. Seems that whoever originally uploaded the pre-con didn't set to cheapest version for cards.
me when roaming throne + the new kindred eldrazi enchantment + ulalek's ability = infinite card draw technically
Like
all you need to do is cast rishkar's expertise
choose a 5 cost eldrazi
pay 2 colorless mana from ulalek's trigger
UH OH thats not just 2 colorless mana, make it 6 and then copy ALL spells like 18 times and draw your whole deck
cause it will double once from the first one, but would also double the triggered abilities AGAIN, so it isnt just 6
ulalek's trigger would get doubled by roaming throne, which those 2 will also be doubled by the kindred eldrazi enchant
so
2 ulalek after roaming throne, which would add another 4 because of the Echos of eternity, ON TOP OF DOUBLING THE TRIGGERS AGAIN
so initially 1 trigger, then 2, then 4. JUST FROM ONE TRIGGER, it gets far too complex to even think
but ima try to get the calcs:
initial trigger
first roaming throne trigger
then add 2 triggers from echos of eternity.
HOWEVER remember: ulalek's triggered ability states: "Whenever you cast an eldrazi spell, you may pay 2 colorless (not generic mana), if you do copy ALL spells you control, as well as all other activated and triggered abilities"
remember that typically "if" in mtg means its a triggered ability, so technically (correct me if im wrong but ill calc it both ways anyway)
so lets do the more complex one first:
so ulalek's initial trigger + roaming throne + echoes + one more roaming throne
so thats what the stack would look like, first we resolve the copied roaming throne's trigger so we pay 2 mana, which doubles our spells and activated and triggered abilities and adds 2 more ulalek triggers from roaming throne, another 3 from echoes of eternity triggering from ulalek and roaming throne.
so we're already at 10 ulalek triggers 💀
and this is just from resolving 1 of the triggers, now remember this isnt duplicating ulalek's trigger, its duplicating the triggers of echoes and roaming throne, and yeah its already getting out of hand and pretty sure you wouldnt have enough mana to do this for a while, however if you do it with rishkar's expertise it allows you to continually draw cards and play free stuff so you vomit it out all onto the board, because you copy the copies cause they are cast and are on the stack no matter what.
TLDR: Ulalek + Roaming throne + echoes = chaos for everyone
one spell caused 4 triggers which then went to 10 real fast and that was after paying for one of ulalek's triggers
with this you can draw your whole library by playing one rishkar's expertise
Ugin's eye is a bit expensive but should it be your next buy if you want to invest a bit more in deck? What about conduit of ruin or the new 4CMC eldrazi mytocist ramp creature, nulldrifter? Not as expensive and can be copied, have great synergi with the rest of stuff. Thoughts on these?
Mytocist isn’t where I’d prefer it on the curve it’s pushing right at the cut off of where I’d include ramp. Eye of Ugin and Ugin’s Labyrinth are both FINE inclusions but far from necessary - they’d be like adding Ancient Tomb into your deck. And Nulldrifter is a good include for sure.
I’ve got some serious mileage with Kozilek, the Great Distortion. I can guarantee the value Eye of Ugin provides to an Eldrazi deck. That said, it’s way too expensive currently. I’d suggest proxying it until it either comes down in price, or gets reprinted.
@@Skyfysh I bought the Expedition version 2 days before it was banned in Modern and crashed... Don't trigger me on reprints!!! Since, I've definitely got my value out of it so I'm not as salty about it "falling" in price from the Modern ban. Agree that it is a must add if you can get it.
Chulane is also especially disgusting with this deck, getting both extra ramp, draw, and cast triggers that can be doubled.
Careful; Chulane is enters the battlefield and Ulalek is on cast - you won’t have a Chulane Trigger to double but you will get two with the token entering
I put jodah archmage eternal at the helm. I got tired of early game table hate just because of what my commander is.
I honestly think Eldrazi Displacer should stay as it’s fantastic for repeatedly thwarting targeted removal
Could you do a video where you explain stack combo's that utilize Ulalek, reflections of littjara and echoes of eternity? I'm trying to understand the insane copying and looping that its alows to do but its melting my brain.
Can this work?:
On field: ulalek, reflections of littjara and 3 echoes of eternity
eldrazi creature spell
littjara trigger to copy creature spell
ulalek trigger (pay 2 colorless)
echoes #1 copy ulalek
echoes #1 copy creature spell
echoes #2 copy echoes #1 spell cast trigger
echoes #3 copy echoes #1 spell cast trigger
echoes #2 copy ulalek
echoes #2 copy creature spell
echoes #1 copy echoes #2 spell cast trigger
echoes #3 copy echoes #2 spell cast trigger
echoes #3 copy ulalek
echoes #3 copy creature spell
echoes #1 copy echoes #3 spell cast trigger
echoes #2 copy echoes #3 spell cast trigger
And am I allowed full control over where to place all these simultanious effects going off, so as to make the stack more valueable?
to get something like this:
eldrazi creature spell
littjara trigger to copy creature spell
ulalek trigger (pay 2 colorless)
echoes #1 copy creature spell
echoes #2 copy echoes #1 spell cast trigger
echoes #3 copy echoes #1 spell cast trigger
echoes #1 copy ulalek
echoes #2 copy creature spell
echoes #1 copy echoes #2 spell cast trigger
echoes #3 copy echoes #2 spell cast trigger
echoes #2 copy ulalek
echoes #3 copy creature spell
echoes #1 copy echoes #3 spell cast trigger
echoes #2 copy echoes #3 spell cast trigger
echoes #3 copy ulalek
This is one run without even resolving an echoes copy of ulalek to double everything, thats what makes me super confused.
How would the stack continue to look like once an echo copy of ulalek gets payed and resolved, and so on.
Would love a video about it from someone who is experienced, I just started mtg 2 weeks ago and trying my best to fully grasp it so I don't make illegal or suboptimal plays.
My brain hurts, But I love it 😅
There are some nuances that are missed - for instance the Echoes trigger doubler is not itself a trigger, it's a static ability. Meaning as soon as Ulalek's trigger goes on the stack so do all the copies. All the copies need to be paid for individually to prevent infinite stacks like what you've implied in your example!
@@CommanderMechanic every echoes resolution of ulalek needs to be paid you mean?
And if the first line is static the second is surely a trigger, which can be copied? and also when a copied ulalek resolves does it not copy this other ulalek trigger, since it sees it as another instance of a trigger and not himself?
Can multiple echoes of eternity also not double the copying of a spell cast trigger (second effect) from the other copy of echoes of eternity as implied above (since it also changes the outcome of another noncolered permanent, which should be the other copies of echoes)
making it still very loopable, if not infinite if there would be infite mana from I guess basalt monolith + forsaken monument
You'll need to pay for each trigger, but if you can find a way to do that then yes it's loopable. The copied Ulalek triggers are the naked trigger, not the paid versions. And yes the second ability on Echoes is triggered and can be copied!
Where are you getting your lore from, it's completely false.
Ulalek happened when Ulamog and Kozilek breached a plane at the same exact place and time and it fused their avatars.
It says so in the lore page that the deck comes with.
That particular lore wasn't available at the time the video was created!
@@CommanderMechanic how long ago did you make this video then? It's been out for three weeks and this information on the lore has been available that long...
I really like running Ellie and Alan from the Jurassic park cards, it’s pretty sick ❤
Great Video and List, Its given me a few things to think about. i've been altering and testing the list for a couple of weeks and from this, I'm going to streamline it a little bit. I just wanted to check, did you look at Conduit of Ruin as part of your 99? And are you planning a "if money wasn't a thing" build, as i would love to see your thoughts on an upgraded mana base.
Glad it was helpful!
Amazing video, would you ever revisit older precon videos? I recently seen all your Kamigawa precon videos and would love to see a modern view on them. Not a ton of people revisit precons from a few years ago so it's be interesting content.
I’ve been revisiting legacy precons from time to time! But revisiting relatively modern precons doesn’t have a lot of demand especially with how many there are!
Im using caves for colorless
Why is it that it only copies things on the stack if it says that copy all other spells you controll. I know that it would be very broken if it would copy all of the spells you controll but the card doesnt say on the stack. Pls help
Because a spell is only a spell on the stack, otherwise it's a permanent.
@@CommanderMechanic i need to watch somesort of gameplay with it i still think that i dont get it 😀
Someone please help me. If I cast a eldrazi spell then activate idol of oblivion can I still trigger ulaleks ability
Yes if you activate idol and it’s in the stack with an eldrazi spell you can double it
@@CommanderMechanic thank you so much
Morophon the Boundless and Fist of Suns, All Eldrazi spells are free
Morophon is even in the base list!
Thanks! This is the video I was looking for to hook up my commander deck. Very clear and detailed!
Glad you enjoyed!
Bismuth and displacer are golden lol you don’t have to be “theft themed” to include bismuth. Ulalek copying their triggers *chef kiss
this was an amazing commentary and walk through good job!
glad you enjoyed!
You took one of the best cards, wastescape can exile 2 artifacts and return 2 creatures, helps a lot for slow down players
Ulalek + echos of eternity + mirror box = 15 ulamogs. Its fun.
Though anyone able to correct me on a ruling?
If i have monstrous vortex, cast eldrazi, pay 2 to copy things. I get 2 instance of monstrous vortex disover.
First discover finds creature that triggers the discover again. I pay two to copy the cast and all things on the stack...
Will the discover trigger still on the stack copy again for 3 instances of discover that can keep going as long as you have 2 to pay and a power 5+ creature being cast??
if everything flipped is an eldrazi, yes.
I'm new to magic but my question is, why are only spells on the stack being copied? Don't I control all spells I already have on the battlefield?
Hey great question! A spell is only a spell anywhere other than in play. Once it's in play it's a permanent! So a creature on the battlefield isn't a creature spell, it's a creature permanent.
Ulalek x Echoes of Eternity.
If you add helm of the host, copy ulalek, then cast a spell to deal x damage to target player and a tribal instant eldrazi use one of the ulalek copy abilities, and you win instantly
Mana value x copies are considered zero
Thanks for the video! Question: how do you show on Moxfield the mana value of the cards near them?
It’s in the display options menu next to the search bar!
That's not the lore of Ulalek at all. If you read the insert that comes with the deck (that's also on Ulalek's wiki)
"Ulalek is what happens when two Eldrazi titans dip into a plane at the same location from the Blind Eternities. An amalgamation of Ulamog and Kozilek lineages, Ulalek's presence amplifies both the innate tendencies of Ulamog spawn to warp physical properties and Kozilek spawn to warp reality.[2] Its influence on a plane is constantly shifting as if the substance of its being is constantly in flux.
Ulalek has only ever appeared once, on a plane that has long since been reduced to a drained husk and whose name has faded from memory.[1] Since then, it is unknown if Ulalek as a being still exists, or if it came apart once the aspects of Ulamog and Kozilek that made it up withdrew back into the Blind Eternities."
sorry that lore/insert was not available when this video was written. I only had what was available from WOTC staff at the time.
@@CommanderMechanic I commented on another reply you wrote but I’m genuinely curious; how long does it take you to make a video like this? Not trying to criticize, I just wanted to know what the turnaround for a short video like this is
Cutting Wastescape Battlemage is a bad recommendation. The deck has very little interaction and if you double kick it, AND copy it with Ulalek, you can naturalize two things and bounce two things for 7 mana. That's pretty good
A card that is good IF conditions are met is worse than a card that is good WHEN you draw it.
@@CommanderMechanic you just described basically every piece of removal ever. Cutting interaction because it may not have any targets at the time you draw it is such a bad take
okay but say i have ulalek, abtruse archaic and roaming throne out?
...when you really want to strain your grey matter. My friends and I were playing "chill" competitive magic intending to throw down about 4-5 quick games in an hour. Echoes of Eternity hits the board and very competent players with good knowledge of the stack all simultaneously just went "F*$&, this is going to be rough resolving stacks." Board had Ulalek, Roaming Throne, and Echoes of Eternity out. Adding Archaic would have been a complete overload.
Channelings too
Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think you can get Ulalek's trigger to resolve last by holding priority. You need a copy effect like strionic resonator for this to work. Normaly ulalek's trigger will be placed above the eldrazi spell on the stack, responding to this trigger does not delay it from entering the stack.
You get to order your triggers, and can make sure ulalek’s trigger resolves FIRST, but if you want to add anything to the stack while your triggers are on and before an opponent has a chance to, you must hold priority and do it.
@@CommanderMechanic I think he ment that if you cast an eldrazi, and the triggers go to the stack so that you have your copy trigger on top, you cant add activated abilities like Idol of Oblivion under the copy trigger anymore. If you activate Idol of Oblivion after casting eldrazi while holding priority, the activation will go on top of the stack and will resolve before the copy trigger of Olalek resolves.
@@CommanderMechanic good morning, I've been playing Eldrazi Incursion recently and I didn't understand this well either: at minute 1.45 you say that it's possible to cast an Eldrazi spell and keep priority on Ulalek's trigger to cast an instant and then allow Ulalek's trigger to position itself and solve it first and thus copy the whole stack. Did I misunderstand? Could you tell me where I find this rule because I tried to read about priorities but I didn't find anything thanks
Morophon the Boundless seems like a good value add. It can make the commander cast free by reducing one of each colored mana.
it's in the default deck
@@CommanderMechanic oh I see that now 🧐
If I understand correctly, by casting echoes of eternity and paying the 2 colorless I get a copy of it ?
Correct it is an eldrazi spell
@@CommanderMechanic Thanks ! That's tasty ahaha
Endless one and universal Automoton are staples.
Good picks
where the heck are you seeing zhulodok for $30? Everywhere I look its either out of stock or over $100
Idk what you’re talking about
Oh, I’m talking about the single not the precon
He's probably talking about the foil etched display commander that's made with too thick of cardstock to include in your 99. 🥴
thought this was a lore video...
Sorry, Ulalek has combined 5 lines of lore total!
I'd like to try these combos out, if only the deck I ordered would arrive after 3 weeks of being late already.
Oof
Oof
@@CommanderMechanic still waiting haha
@@CommanderMechanic they now sent me an email saying they can't fulfill my order cause they won't get any stock of it. Awesome.
Your list needs more ramp and ways to cheat out expensive eldrazi. Why no natures lore or cultivate?
Because there are no lands with forest land types.
Man’s crypt, man’s vault, mana drain
Urza’s saga and Devine top