Cine vs Photo Lenses Are They Worth The Money ?
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- Опубликовано: 1 апр 2023
- In this video, we're going to talk about the differences between cine and stills lenses, and why you might want to choose one over the other. I've compared cine lenses on this channel, and we'll use the Sigma Cine 35mm T1.5 vs The Sigma 35mm DG DN as an example.
Cine lenses are popular among filmmakers and photojournalists because they offer a unique perspective. They're also more expensive than still lenses, but they're worth it if you want to capture unique footage or photographs. If you're not sure which lens to choose, watch this video to find out the differences between cine and stills lenses and decide which one is right for you!
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Great breakdown because I have definitely wondered at times about the more detailed differences
I feel like I’m missing some , but I think I got the jist, thank you man🙏🏾
Don’t invest in cine lenses unless you know you’re gonna like the character or lack thereof in them, among other things. Unless you’re investing in a big name like Cooke or something of that caliber, they generally depreciate relatively considerably. I’ve bought lenses that were optically quite neat perfect, similar to Sigma Art for instance, but now I want something either even more perfect or something with lots of aesthetically pleasing character. Filters don’t do a great job of imitating imperfection, they just degrade the image. Some filters cost more than or close to what one vintage prime costs, like an AI Nikkor for example.
Thanks great info!
Awesome video. I recently finished DP work for a friend using his cinema lenses and they were great. However, I've been doing photography for many years and have a bunch of stills glass. Now that I'm doing more video for myself I'm looking into the differences, this helped a lot. I use Dehancer to make my digital look less sharp/clean and it works well, but still not the same.
This is a fantastic video dude! 🙌🏻
Thanks !!
Been seeing you on Twitter, now this video popped up on my reccomended. Followed and subbed. Great content man
Aye respects my dude thank you 🙏🏾
Thank you for making this video. You summed it all up perfectly for me.
Glad it helped 🙌🏾
Keep killin' it man. Doing a great job with your videos...come along way since our time with YC 🙂
Thanks homie !!
Very comprehensive and helpful. Thank you
Thanks !!
This was a fantastic review. I watch a lot of them, and this one really spoke to me.
Glad you enjoyed it! And hope it helped!
def binging all the vids on this channel now 😅 got your own folder in my yt library . addicted but not in a bad way😂
Lol I’ll take the W , thanks !!
Great demonstration man. I've been thinking about getting cine lenses for a loooooong time, but the cost has held me back for sure! Thanks for sharing your info!!
Check some options from slr magic, irix or dzofilm !
@@KofiYeboah thanks, I'll do that!
@@DavidWinstead Zhongyi mitakon also are amazing
I primarily do green screen virtual production, so for me I require f/5.6, so a fast lens doesn't help me, I need a sharper lens with autofocus and lens compensation and focus breathing compensation with FX30, which can only be done with Sony lenses. It's really important to be able to hit every focal length with green screen to match focal length of the background camera or 3D rendered scene, else it can break the illusion, digital zoom does not work. For the green screen you'll be hard pressed to see the difference a cinema lens and a mirrorless lens with focus breathing compensation on the FX3/FX30. Any lens can look Hollywood level when used right. For me the Sony 10-18mm f/4 and 18-105mm f/4 is the perfect green screen lens for my FX30 and ZV-E10. That is 15-152.5mm focal length, which covers the entire range of what you need for green screen. I'm saving up for an FX3 and Sirui 35mm T2.9 1.6x anamorphic lens. I never thought in a million years I'd ever own one of those but it's dialed in by summer.
This video was created at the perfect time for me, thanks!
Np!!
Nice to see someone else showing Sigma some love! I did a video a few weeks back about Sigma vs. Sony lenses and realized I much prefer Sigma for their character compared to Sony. The one exception is the 24-70 GM ii - that is quite a bit better than the big and heavy Sigma and worth the extra $$. Great comparison between the two lenses!
Thanks ! Haha stay tuned, I have a ton on the way ☺️
@@KofiYeboahis this your Sigma Cine lens PL version or EF version? Also the Sigma Cine EF mount does it also have electronic contact that transmits data
I didn't realize Sigma had cine lenses. But i love my sigma 50 & 35 1.4 DG DN lenses for video because they are so clean and they have auto focus. I put the look in the grading and with luts.
Clinical lenes open the door to so many possibilities!
Really enjoy your content. Keep up the great work. My lens collection is wide but my cine lens collection are the Irix 45mm and 150mm, as well as the Rokinon 35mm and 85mm.
I still gotta try the irix , how is that ?
@Kofi Yeboah They are heavy, solid lens with interesting bokeh characteristics. Can't articulate, but it's a lens people should try first before committing. I am happy with the design and look and aiming to get a 21mm next.
A buddy of mine has the 45 I’m curio about 🙏🏾
@Kofi Yeboah yh..check it out and maybe you can do a review of your honest thoughts. Would love to hear your take. Keep up the good work
Great video. Thanks ✨
🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
Nice one. We're slowly filling out a set of the Xeen CF from Rokinon and we love the look these provide. So far we're sticking with the Canon 85mm f/1.4 because it's stabalized and it's nice to have that OIS for the longer focal lengths. Surprisingly the canon matches up with the Xeen look pretty well.
I gotta give the xeens a try!
@@KofiYeboah They're definitely worth trying out
I will one day !
Nice breakdown! Just did a review of the Irix 30 mil cine. Was really impressed with it but those Sigmas look dope.
I just did the irix set too! Real nice
Great comparison. I can see the appeal of a cine lens in a certain context though it's clearly not useful to everyone. That being said, I think anamorphic lenses are probably more interesting for all kinds of filming. I'll probably invest in that. Thanks for the clear explanation!
I impulse bought the cheapest cine lens I could find off ebay, a Rokinon 35mm T1.5 for $160 on ebay partly because I wanted to get into cine lenses for fun and partly to get some practice manually focusing on a gimbal. I don't have a camera with good autofocus, and the Rokinon came in absolute clutch for the first commercial shoot I took this on as I needed to focus on specific things at a specific timing that my other prime couldn't do.
Being able to use the focus gear instead of the stupid gear strap thing that comes with the RS2 Pro that never worked for me was such a convenience. Also for it being so cheap, I was surprised how clean and free of fringing/chromatic aberration it was.
For what I am doing at the moment though, I feel that is all I really need for cine lenses until I get to the point where I'll potentially be making higher-budget, cinematic stuff. My wallet and I are scared for the time I get sucked into the cine lens rabbit hole though.
Yeah man , I suggest renting a ton of different lenses and see what you like
I use refurbished Rokinon general cine lenses for testing, blocking and gauging the crop (6K pro uses a super 35 sensor). Now, when it comes time to get serious, I rent what I need. We have a few Xeen's locally and I can get others (Sigma, DZO and Schneider) with a weekly rental that is not too pricey. I may buy a set of S35 Meikes to replace the Rokinons going forward.
Those are all great cops! I’m a dzo guy most of the time and owned meikes once but renting is a cheat code when you can !
Liked and subscribed!
Bless you 🙏🏾🙏🏾
I’m happy with the 24-70 2.8 GM II. On my FX3 it’s almost perfect.
That thing almost costs the same as a sigma lens 😂
Well explained... 👏
🤝
Very informative. Thank you.
Didn't realize the longer cine focus throws, when I tested the power follow focus on set it's not something I actually thought about. I just thought wow this $1700 power follow focus is amazing and smooth 😆.
Think one small detail might have been missed... Cine lines tend to be a lot heavier.
Depends on the lense! There’s a ton that weight the same or less
I bought into Sony back with the A7s1 and picked up the Zeiss Loxia set
I liked the idea of owning a "Zeiss" set, having sharp lenses, and the compact redesign for mirrorless intrigued me for small handheld shoots.. although the lenses look ridiculous on the FS7/FX9
I figured the lack of autofocus would never come back to bite me in the ass..........sigh lol
I also figured I could always invest in nice filters to soften up the sharp image if needed
Hollywood Black Magic pretty much lives on my camera, that or glimmer glass
Hah damn man, always good to have one af lens in the set JUST IN CAse moments like that 🫡
Great presentation...
Thank you 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Is there any particular remote controlled follow focus puller you can recommend? Thanks!
I use the Accsoon fc01!
Enjoyed the video. My take.Cinema lenses means you have a crew. Stills lenses make a lot of sense for one man band. The vintage rabbit hole, Leica R lenses, that's a lot of work. I would rather buy a nice cine set and make something.
Manual focus really grew on me, but I love a good stills lens!
I feel like you're making the exact videos I keep wishing existed. We're sitting on the Tamron holy trinity and eyeing up a few cinema lenses to get out of the ultra sharp photo lens world.
What're your thoughts on some of the budget options out there like the Rokinons or SLR Magic Cine?
I think they’re great ! But I’ve yet to use them just yet !
On this video ... as in all of them you're teaching this old dog some new tricks.
Bravo, amigo ...
D.A.
More to come! Glad I can teach 🙏🏾
Your b-roll is fire bro.
Respects!!
The hack for me is that character is added by using a 1/8 Black mist filter over a photographic lens.
Man I used a Hollywood blackmagic over some sigma cines and WOOOOOH CHILD, worked perfect for the vibe i was going for
I’m looking for cine lens because I do want that look it gives off. I’m transitioning into videos. So to be able to use a cíñele se when I wanna feel cinematic lol
Did you shoot your Broll in 24 or 60 fps. I have an fx30 but I can’t get that cinematic look that I want
Both, and a few shots in 120👍🏾
Your channel is incredible! #goals
Oh thanks 🙏🏾 I appreciate it !
I use to think that a photography lens is good enough, especially with autofocus, then I tried the Cooke S8 from a friend, so I ended up buying just 1 Cooke lens because that's all I can afford. So I'm like using a FX3 with a super expensive lens where it doesn't belong haha.
Ahah that’s amazing , what focal length is it ?
@@KofiYeboah Well, I got the 32mm just to be "unique", took a long time to decide between the 32 and the 35, it cost way too much money than what I'm typically comfortable with. But you only live once.
If you dont mind me asking,
How much did you pay?
@@meladkareme5851 no biggie, paid around USD35k plus shipping. It feels alot for just one lens but considering I use that lens for 98% of my work, I guess, it's fine. It's for of a want than a need though.
That’s a huge price tag dang!
Love the sigma art series, wish I could get a set of the Cine
I can’t even afford a set, one at a time ahah
@@KofiYeboah yeah they ain’t cheap!
I'd pick the DZOFilm Vespids or Nisi Athena set.
both are great !
what would be a good first lens that's maybe a hybrid for shooting video on a Sony FX30?
Sigma Art lenses. They have a clickless aperture you can use which makes them the closest to a hybrid lens out there. Much more character then other stills lenses.
not sure if you'll see this but i just got my fx30, and i use the sigma 16mm f1.4, and while the quality is awesome, the LOOK i am going for just isn't there, it's just so sharp, i like the creamy and smooth look you have at the 2:12 timestamp of this video. Am i correct in thinking i need a 23-24 mm lens to get a 35mm equivalent look, as well as a cine lens to get the creamy look?
Not exactly , it’s the 35mm sigma Cine and I likely put some glimmerglass on it
Lens character, grading and environment influence looks 👍🏾
Is that shot at 6:05 with the same grade on both lens? I personally loved the zhongyi way more and the sony really introduce tons of a blue tons, even some magenta 🤔 making the person lose its glow. So which of these two were more accurate in terms of colors?
Same settings , same grade, mind you my WB was kinda cooler so that’s why it looks more blue, but both images has the same settings
@@KofiYeboah I think this should have been displayed as I really thought that lens had that much difference in the way it renders skin tone and provide a warmer image.
@@loudmotion5639 what I mean was the white balance is the same between both lenses , just my white balance in general was cooler than I’d like so it still actually is quite warm
How do you feel about using the Sigma MC-11, and the Sigma DG DN with the Sony FX30?
Great video………and GO PIRATES!
It’s pretty similar, the old sigmas had the adapter built in that’s why they were so big 🫡
Please review the Samyang V-Af cine series. Best of both worlds.
If I ever get a chance !
Bro love your voice. Start a podcast already
One day haha
Does Sigma de-tune the optics in the Cine version for more "character"?
Actually, no! It’s the same glass EXCEPT the 21 and 40 and 65 I believe which does have different glass
Is it difficult to learn manual focus ?
It’s a little hand eye coordination , but it’s a skill ya pick up with practice
How do you feel about the new Samyang or Rokinon Cine AF primes?
I have those come out yet?
@@KofiYeboah the 24mm, 35mm, and 75mm are all out rn but there is a limited supply so they aren’t always in stock. The 45mm and 20mm are coming out later this year. I have my eyes on them mainly for gimbal use.
@@ashtonrobertson7420 I’ll have to make an update video ! I didn’t know they came out !
@@KofiYeboah I will be tuning in for sure!
If you didn’t label which lens/scene was which… There is absolutely no significant difference in the images
They both look almost completely identical, and really good
For sigma, that was the point :D their glass from cine to photo is more or less the same , EXCEPT from what I under stand , the 40,65 and 21 ?
5:45 That's why I feel like a friggin wizard with my 20€ 25mm* f1.8 c mount lens.
It has the swirliest bokeh and is technically a video lens 😂 ...and it cost me 20 bucks, so 🤷🏻♂️ hahaha
*69km full frame equivalent on my bmpcc og
Haha gotta get on them vintage classics
@@KofiYeboah
It's actually a "neewer" or sth I ordered off amazon.
It all started whith the quest to get the biggest aperture at the lowest price possible. For I am broke.
Started looking native, switched to *any mount I can adapt to* as soon as I saw the prices.
First one I bought was a "gazechimp" (that's the brand name, I 💩you not)
50mm f1.4 c mount for next to nothing. Weird, stupid, yet surprisingly usable. Definitely lots of character.
Mostly using my Tamron 17-50mm f2.8 (with speedbooster effectively f2.0ish) now and the Laowa 10mm f2.0 zero diszortion (native m4/3) for wide shots. The latter is pretty funky. On a regular m4/3 sensor it looks positively weird in the corners, since it actually has *zero fish eye distortion.* That doesn't mean it doesn't have distortion though, remember the original counterstrike game, when someone walked right next to you? That kinda weird flattened out "there is no actual eyeball @work here so enjoy the trip" kinda distortion. That. Fortunately the bmpcc has a tiny sensor, so exactly that part is cut off. Gives it a unique look that suggests a way bigger sensor.
Anyway, sorry for the wall of text but maybe this could be a fun video idea. Maybe you have gone through all the quirky/DIY stuff yet, maybe you haven't...
I get you're a professional but hey, sometimes it's that odd spice that makes the stew 😄🤷🏻♂️
How did I guess correct that you are from Canada?
Legend has it there’s a RUclips factory we all get engineered at
Buy DZO Cine Lens and get happy for 1,4k. Can compete with Cooke
Worth upgrading to DZO from sigma still? Thinking of renting some for a shoot coming up just to see. Never messed with Cine glass before
@@kalebmartinson for real the difference is a whole dimension. Still lenses for video is and was ever shit. U have do deal with manuall focus. Like always as a good Film Producer or Creator.
And u need to learn how to shoot with mist filtert. Than u step in another world.
Rent expensive lenses pass cost on to client. If you make $s then buy one. Pass cost onto clients till its paid for.
cine lenses look better to me
It's a good thing I like the look of cheap lenses lol
Cine lenses are so expensive. I prefer photography lenses
Get Zhongyi Mitakon speedmaster , killer cinema lense on cheap
I reviewed it, move that lens ! It is huge though
@@KofiYeboah They are little bit bigger. But thats normal
@@OSKVIDCreativemedia ting is 4.5 lbs 🤣 but I did post a few short docs on here using it it’s amazing !
@@KofiYeboah Get a zhongyi