Cool video, I do want to go even further to the 1970's Punk Edits done by anarcho-punk artists group called CRASS. Their 1979 album cover titled "Bloody Revolution, Person's Unknown" depicts a picture of 1970s punk band "The Sex Pistols" but the heads were replaced by Margaret Thatcher, Pope John Paul-2, Statue of Liberty & the Queen of England. I would confidently say that this album cover is technically one of the very first Punk Edit, as it depicts 4 famous & polarizing political/religious figures dressed as Punk-Rockers. Also, in the early 1980's alot of.punks would Punk Edit various other political & religious figures in album cover, show flyers and in general; common practice back in the day. Ronald Reagan was one of the Most popular Punk Edits in the 1980's. Thanks again for the video. As a 51 year old.punk, I love the.topic. Thus bringing awareness to the 1970s & 1980s famed Punk Edits that came directly from early Punk Rawk communities 😎 👍 chEErs, 93
North London is like "I want to be alternative, but not so alternative that it intimidates people or challenges the class order in any way because I pay 5000 pound a second to live here"
Fun fact: That Aladdin picture used for all those edits, the one where he’s holding his arm above his head with his eyes closed, is actually from an explicit gay comic in which he has sex with Hercules. It’s not from the movie at all, but ironically it’s one of the most recognizable images of Aladdin on the internet.
and for some reason (idk how this is in the US), the kids are back with this being an insult. I'm 21 and young gen z is using this as an insult again. it's really weird getting papa roach lyrics get sung at you again
@@Julius-lw4dp I work with teenagers, and they are BAFFLED by my embracing of all things emo. The baby emos have never been the ones the "adult in charge" approves of before. They're so confused. I'm having so much fun.
@@Julius-lw4dpand nobody knows what emo actually is. A couple months ago in class we were learning about the goths in history and everybody started making emo jokes. Like those subcultures aren’t that similar
@DinosaurPIanet Rule of yt comments, don't belive ville, vile or any account with variations of this name, it's hate bots. Maybe it's also people who want to be "edgy" and misogynistic, racist, transfobic or just spread hate
so my dad is like covered in tattoos and shit, and he happened to stumble upon punk edits of marilyn monroe and elvis. being fully unfamiliar with tumblr culture, he thought this was soooo original and actually got prints and framed them. they're still up in his living room. i simply don't have the heart to tell them that he has the same taste as tumblr teens in the early 2010s.
Back in 2005-2009, every time someone asked or called me emo I would always say, “IM NOT EMO IM PUNK” 😭😭😭😭😭 the same era where Hot Topic had a Green Day pin that read “Kiss me, I’m punk!”
Y'know I had the opposite problem, my parents thought I was goth, my dad couldn't pronounce goth and called it 'gothlic" and I would be like "NOOOOO DAD IM NOT GOTH IM EMO, I DONT WANT TO APPROPRIATE THE STYLE" I was a lil gatekeeper.
I submit my theory for why Ariel was so popular in the punk edit community: she’s ~so misunderstood~ by her family and everyone around her and just wants to be ~part of her loved one’s world~ and that’s kind of angst Did the ink wash off?
It also came out in 1989, with the sequels coming out in 2000 and 2008, so it would have been a pretty major part of the childhoods of the age demographic that were making these edits.
She was also heavily influenced by the director? Lyricist? I don’t know his exact role on the film, but his name was Howard Ashman, he was a gay man and despite morality laws surrounding queerness in media, he included a lot of themes in Ariel’s story that echoed his experiences - feeling of otherness, not belonging anywhere, family pressures. He’s the reason why Ursula is so cool, he designed her based on a real life drag queen he admired. He’s credited as responsible for the Disney Renaissance. Of course, a lot of these queer undertones would register with fandom kids, who were often neurodivergent or queer themselves. It’s no wonder looking at the man responsible.
@@kwowka The queer undertones in The Little Mermaid are directly from the original 1837 fairy tale by Hans Christian Andersen who was himself bisexual.
As an old, I remember punk edits from at least back to the 80s. Though they weren’t called that back then. We made what would now be called punk edits of Regan and Thatcher. Back then it was clip art (like actual cutting out paper and taping/gluing to pictures and photocopying them). With the increase in computers, it naturally evolved and moved to other recognizable characters in the current zeitgeist.
I love finding other olds in online spaces like this! I feel like the Old Woman of the Mountain imparting tales of pre-internet and 90s internet fandom to the younguns sometimes. “Gather round the fire, and I will tell you of webrings. Of Angelfire and Geocities. I have fic on a site you can only find in archives and the Wayback Machine.”
hello! fun fact! it is very very very rare to get ink poisoning just by drawing on top of your skin. you would have to have ink on broken skin, and that is still kinda rare. you’ll be fine - someone who draws on their skin A LOT.
@@Herosoyyo2not to mention that there have been studies on using sharpies to mark during surgery and turns out they work just as well as surgical markers
yeah in hindsight "don't do that or you'll get ink poisoning" is definitely something our parents would say to stop us drawing on ourselves as kids lol
we have progressed past the “we need to talk about [insert controversial topic here]” type of videos. we are now entering the era of teya manically yelling at the camera because father strænge is the only one who gives a shit about the topic at hand.
It’s a bot (or a very dedicated loser who figured out what “Cntrl+v” does) that’s posting similar shit under multiple channels. I’ve seen it under Anna Marie and Tara Mooknee.
When I was a little kid about 4, I remember seeing these punk kids in a parking lot, The one I recall most had a green mohawk (yeah cliche I know), a chain in his nose and The Ramones logo (I found out later what that was) on his jacket. As a child who watched Sesame Street and loved Oscar, I decided he was Oscar's cousin. Now this was 1983/84 so we're talking actual punk. To this day, I still love the ider of Oscar hanging out with a dude with a green mohawk, a chain in his nose and a Ramones jacket.
@@patfitch6660 and you, you're my kinda person lol. every time i see an hbomberguy video in my reccs, it's a battle with myself over whether i should watch it again. that Pathologic video? i've watched it. so many times. i will watch it many more, i'm sure. something about watching a man descend into madness is just sooo satisfying. the roblox oof one is my absolute fave tho, and the fact that he mentions a part 2 in his plagiarism video had me so sooo hyped. you know? maybe i'll go watch it again. as a lil treat. :)
"This is all somehow Star Trek's fault I just can't prove it yet" is the truest axiom in any fandom space. It really does ALWAYS lead back to Kirk and Spock fanfics.
As a 53 year old Punk... I'd say that it goes back to before the Internet, or even computers. The earliest commercial punk edit I could think of was in an early eighties rolling Stone advertisement for New Republican (Party), Ronald Reagan with a mohawk; but certainly there were punk edits going back to late 70s.
Hearing Polyvore mentioned made me do such a double take. Beyond just aesthetic collages and outfit references for fanfics or OCs, it had a whole culture of its own with roleplaying groups and fan fiction stories (and associated drama, call outs, and slap fighting). The old site and all of its content being taken down was such a loss for future internet historians - it was peak 2006-2012 fandom space vibes.
@ville__ everyone knows your name is synonymous with spam do you really think you're going to succeed in cancelling someone by making up fake connections
"Fandoms are all so interconnected and somehow I Know this is Star Trek's fault" I adore my comfort hot mess so much, we have made so many horrific tropes over the years
This is so specific but i just want to add my 2 cents as someone who worked in disney world. The big reason adults can't dress as characters in the parks is safety- it would be a very easy way for predators to lure children in if they could pretend to be disney characters.
As an artist (who reblogged my fair share of punk edits on tumblr in my times), fuck IA "edits". Ai stuff has no place in fandom, and we don't have to act like their presence in our online spaces is inevitable. Don't stand for that stuff, shame people who share them.
Lately I have noticed that a lot of AI blogs on tumblr don't tag the posts #ai. So you have to investigate if this art is made by AI or a really talented person. I hate it so much
Things just become obsolete with time, you can either live in a delusion or come to terms with it. How many jobs have been replaced by robots? How many jobs are not required anymore? People don't need to train pigeons anymore, we have emails. People don't need to spend hours mincing meat for hamburgers, we have robots to do that for us. I do not understand this hypocrisy coming from the artist community, so many things have become replaced by robots and AI for a better society, for a world where things can be more accesible and easier to get, you're using things that have been made by robots on the DAILY. Think about how many people could've had a job if you didn't buy things built by robots. But you do not care about that, right? Because at the end of the day, you care about your comfort and the comfort of your loved ones. And at the end of the day, the rest of the world feels the same about AI art. I do not care whether its made by a person or AI, if it's good I will enjoy it, and I can't wait to see how much better it gets. There will still be artists, just like there are still people that train pigeons, but instead of millions it would be just a few thousands. No matter how hard you fight it, deny it, ignore it, this is the future, and non artists do not care about you not having a job anymore, just like you do not care about the people that lost their jobs, being replaced by robots, to have a cheaper cost of production so you can buy it and use it. Also "B-but AI has no soul! No heart! It's trash compared to an artist's touch" AI is a baby right now, it barely started developing, and yet I saw multiple pieces that are greater than what 80% of the artist community can do. Sure, there will always be a handful of amazingly talented artists, the "Einsteins" of the art world, that would make pieces no AI could ever compare with. But most artists aren't like that, the vast majority will be replaced by AI. As proof you have people complaining that some people use AI but don't tag it as AI, and you have to investigate it in detail to know if it was made by a human or not: so again, if AI art is souless, how come people can be easily fooled into thinking a real person made it? And it will only get better. Be mad at me and the world all you want, I just know that at the end of the day this will be better for society, and that you're just hypocrites.
8:56 Star Trek IV: the Voyage Home. Kirk and Spock go back in time to the 80s and take a bus with a punk and Spock neck-pinches him because he was playing music too loud. What if they hadn't and had instead joined him? In this 25000 word fanfic I will-
I remember very emo kids at highschool being very offended to be called emo back in the day, so its been very fun watching people all embracing it instead over the years.
Honestly, I think part of the popularity of punk edits of Ariel is simply practical: her clothes during most of the movie don't cover much, so it's relatively easy to pop a band tee and some tattoos onto images of her. People don't generally edit images from scenes where she was wearing her pink dress, and I think that's because they would have to recreate the entire arm and a good portion of her hair to edit that giant pouffy sleeve out of the image.
Wonder if punk edits have any tie to those boardwalk gangster versions of cartoon characters that were big in the 90s and early 2000s. Like Spongebob smoking weed with chains
Hey Strange, have you ever gone down the rabbit hole of Disney Crossover music video Edits on RUclips? The music videos that talented editors/animators make where they use animations from pre-existing animations to create an entirely new story? They can be so good and so so bad. Just seems up your alley and adjacent to these types of edits!!
It drove me insane when people claimed tumblr started the punk edits because I could recall back in the myspace days punk edits already being everywhere. edit: made this comment before I finished the video and thought it would go back far enough into the myspace days, haha! But yes, hundreds of punk edits are probably lost to time now from places like photobucket. Trust me, tumblr didn't start the edits.
I remember them too, they were just much less about photoshopping, because that stuff wasn’t as accessible or robust as it is now. Like yeah everybody had the same cracked version of adobe photoshop they’d downloaded from Kazaa but the people who actually knew how to use it were people who were already good at art and they would make fanart. Photo edits didn’t come until photo editing apps and software became more widespread and accessible, and I think that came as smartphones became more ubiquitous. But yeah, like, people were doing what I’d guess I’d call proto-punk edits in the aughts. I feel like there was a kind of goth version of Blingee that people used to do it? Am I crazy?
@@ZackC you’re probably right, I just didn’t hang out in the places that had them until I was in college, aka MySpace times. They were probably on Elfwood or Livejournal or something but I wasn’t in the fandoms that used them; in my online spaces photo edits were considered low effort compared to “real” fanart. And obviously photoshop and photo edits existed I just meant like, the specific subgenre of emo photo edits I remember first seeing on MySpace specifically.
@@rudebega1494 I can distinctly remember a Tinkerbell Punk image with Pink, Black, and Silver Sparkles being used as album covers back in MySpace days.
hello father im currently writing my undergraduate thesis on emo music and culture and id like to make a correction about 5:08 and onwards!! young netizens did *actually* use the word emo (which musically also originates from washington hardcore punk, so that'd be another connection) but it was more in relation of how emo was percieved in the 90s: nerdy, glasses-wearing, indie-oriented college boys. basically if pinkerton by weezer was a person. it was actually very different from what we percieve as the more gothic oriented emo aesthetic of the 2000s - and that was also partially insipired by mcr. we also have to remember that 2000s emo and pop-punk, as a label and a scene, used to and still overlap A LOT. just look at fall out boy and paramore. emo as a label has a very interesting history! i reccomend "nothing feels good" by andy greenwald and "from the basement" by taylor markarian if anyone wants to read works about emo as a music and scene, theyre amazing books!
Growing up, I had friends that were really into Midwest Emo so it was always fascinating seeing how emo went from Rites of Spring to Sunny Day Real Estate and Get Up Kids to the mid-00s scene. I mostly blame Swing Kids, but it's still trying to find out how the hell they went from kids looking like Mr Spock to full emo bangs.
@@orkleth personal theory is that it was the "fault" of weezer's "pinkerton" going popular online tbh. the darker moody aesthetic of the album almost matches anything on mcr's "i brought you my bullets", including the gritty sound. plus there were a lot of emo 90s bands that were inspired by goth rock acts like the cure and the smiths (like thursday and jawbreaker). in general emo has had a lot of changes over the decades, it's so interesting!
Yeah, and the 'emo' aesthetic style originally was based on what we were wearing in WA, so I was confused and disappointed when I moved across the country to the east coast and would see people wearing familiar clothes, thinking they were people from my home state, only to find out they were just fans of certain bands. I was kinda surprised when the emo look shifted toward mall goth, instead of nerdy vintage looks
The hundreds of “modern girl” or “bad girl” redraws of Disney princesses on TikTok have always reminded me of this, so I guess that Disney punk edits never die.
as a person who is still in the Phandom..... i feel like we gotta discuss pastel x punk. (i have no experience in non-anime fandoms that arent dnp so i have NO IDEA if "pastel" aus were a thing in similar fandoms i only know of it as a dnp thing)
Every time i watch these videos and am reminded of just how insane early 2010s fanfictions were i get the urge to just give in and write my own over the top, mary sue self insert. I am cringe, but i am free.
do it!!! it sounds really fun!!! (this is not ironic or sarcastic at all, i am genuinely encouraging you to do it bc it sounds fun and i feel like i would also have fun if i tried to do it)
"this is all Star Trek’s fault I just haven’t figured it out yet" It always is, isn't it. Unironically the mirror-verse is an interesting potential predecessor to the one direction fics, with all the typically good characters being evil and cruel. (and sometimes sad and tortured, depending on the fics you read) Slap a couple fake tattoos and piercings on mirror-Sulu and you might have something there.
especially as the characters tend to have less conventional clothing?? like obviously you have evil goatee spock and slutty v-neck kirk but in the voyager mirror universe comic iirc janeway has like,, a vest that looks like it used to have sleeves and they were ripped off and short kinda spiky hair,, it definitely seems to have these sort of punk-inspired undertones, I guess because they want to imply a subversion of the norm and alternative fashion is a good way to do that??
I feel like there HAS to be more lost punk edit media of alice and wonderland. I was on tumblr from around 2009 and i feel like i saw so much of her around then. Shes always had the edgy fandom side because of the "drug references" in the movie/book. (Im still not sold on that theory but it is fun to think about). I still see punk edits of Ariel to this day!!! This is Alice erasure!!! EDIT: specifically I'm thinking of edits with like crystal castles in the background and shit like that
Oh oh! I just finished writing a reply about how that was partially American McGee’s Alice’s fault! That game was one of the most visible examples and spawned a heap of that kinda art. That was from 2000 though so I’m sure it was around before then too…
I don't know that it's really 'lost' punk edits if American McGee's interpretation of Alice still exists in any way and is available to access. It's practically the quintessential 2000's guide to reinterpereting Alice.
@@legateelizabeth yeah, i meant a different kind of thing though they are similar. while the games are in the same vein I meant specifically images/gifs/videos of edits of alice from disney
and so, god said “let there be Punk Tinkerbell x Reader (Yuri), and there was Punk Tinkerbell x Reader (Yuri).” and god saw the yuri, and it was good. genesis 1;3
I was reading fic as far back as 2006-7 and I definitely remember the phenomenon of "punkifying" characters back then, but I don't think we had a term for it.
OH MY GOD IVE SEEN SO MANY LIKE, ADS ON YT WITH THESE, like the "what Disney princess are you?" But it's Moana or Cinderella covered in tats and it's so weird, I KNEW it was a phenomenon but THANK you father strænge for covering this for me
Today I learned where the word "disneybounding" came from. I never really thought about it before, but the fact that it came from one person would have never occurred to me! It's fascinating how words can develop, especially since "disneybounding" at some point sprouted "historybounding" and has turned into "xy-bounding" as a totally new verb in a way...
34 year old elder emo here! I looove that you can both laugh at the cringe from that time but also have such an appreciation for where things come from. It's such a pure natural curiosity that is so appreciated haha! Can confirm as someone who was emo from 2004 from Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge, we CURSED anyone who dared call us emo! Even though I was a little older for the tumblr peak, I still followed some of it. Early internet was wild and I honestly look back on those cringe little moments of exchange with a smile. It was so cool to talk to people that look like you and I guess this just flowed into punk edits! Despite what tiktok or insta tells you, being alternative just wasn't cool so things like myspace and deviantart was a safe little bubble. Especially cos I was a young gay kid. I sound ancient but I just wanted to share how much I've loved your channel and your deep dives into such a fond snippet in time! :)
Wow, I'm happy it became such a thing, it was one of the first things I shared on the internet. I punk edited Buster Keaton photos in Microsoft Paint and posted them on my geocities fan page. I will crumble into dust, now.
Strange: I've traced the punk edits for Disney back to 2011 Me: She's so close to figuring out the obvious connection here. Strange: I think they were inspired by this Alice image with blood splatter on her dress Me: She's like, one Google search of "alice 2011" away from solving this mystery. Strange: **concludes talking about Tumblr** Me: **slams head on table**
I wasn't on Tumblr itself as a kid, but I was deeply obsessed with Tumblr-style content of Disney princess hipster edits and "modern-day" Disney themed outfits. I cannot tell you how often I saw that one black-and-white emo Ariel or the Disneybound-style Rapunzel Polyvore outfits during my childhood on the mid-2010s Internet. And so, so many Rapunzels with blue hair and black lipstick
Possibly unrelated, but in 2008, a well-meaning relative gave me a Tinkerbell notebook, which I then gave a Sharpie punk edit treatment. I think there's something appealing about taking something "traditional" and turning it into something subversive, which I guess is the point of punk as a subculture.
When you said Polyvore I felt SO seen - it was extremely popular for role players as well, I had so many polyvore collages to choose my OCs usual outfits asdfghjkl
My theory for Ariel’s popularity for edits - she already had the huge fringe that emo and scene kids were after, but a picture of her (at least from the waist up) was also easy to put clothes/tattoos onto because she didn’t wear much clothing in the beginning of the movie 😊
I was young in the 90s and lived next door to some of Minor Threat/Fugazi & hung out at the black cat in DC. This made me really appreciate being old now and young then. Thank you ❤
Love how the dan and phil punk edits were so iconic that they were mentioned / shown several times. And the unintentional honoring of their legacy witb sharpie drawings on skin
you're only a true Tumblr veteran if your memory of the Aladdin edit was someone trying to cancel it for making him too light skinned, and then someone in the reblogs revealing that the screenshot was not from actual Aladdin, but a porn parody of it
as someone who was a dedicated member of the 1D tumblr fandom at the time, I was waiting with baited breath for you to get to the source of the disney fandom like a lovely surprise 😂 I fully remember them being the catalyst for all of it
Idk why we always blame the star trek fandom for everything but I can't lie an edit or fanfic based on "Jean Luc Picard goes punk" is hilarious to me. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it already exists too.
I want a Deep Space Nine fanfic where Garak's tailor's shop is a branch of Hot Topic and he's constantly trying to convince Bashir they should get matching tattoos.
Edits of Ariel with a Jack Daniel's shirt, piercings, & tattoos are a core memory for me. It's existed since my youth. P.S. I remember that Aladdin edit so clearly from early Tumblr lmao
I love the weird alt kids who do stuff like punk edits; it fills my heart with joy. I felt like I missed out on the zeitgeist at first but then I remembered I'd made a punk edit of Garfield like 10 years ago so I guess I can be in the club now lmao
The punk edit of the Harry Potter trio (you all know the one) is burned into my brain. For some reason tween me was OBSESSED. like full-on printed out, taped to my school planner obsessed.
18:58 i. this image jumpscared me so hard because. i’m pretty sure i saw a post on tumblr abt how this exact whitewashed image of aladdin turned into a punk edit was actually part of some kind of nsfw comic thing someone made where aladdin gets sucked off by some other disney guy (might have been hercules????) and this was one of the panels where. yeah. thinking abt it it might have been something i saw off of heritageposts with the og post to tumblr having been reblogged with further info
Having a painful flashback right now to the fact that when I was about 13 I ran a Facebook page dedicated to emo/punk/goth (yes I know they're different, I just didn't at the time) edits of popular characters called "Cute Emo Drawings"
If we wanted to tie it all back to Star Trek, this concept of the mirror dimension and “evil” versions of the characters would sort of fit into this. Take mirror Spock’s atrocious facial hair, for instance as the physical marker of the “evil” or “twisted” version.
The fact that Disney-bounding is just the word for dressing up at the parks now is insane… I didn’t even know it was from a blog called that I’ve just seen millennials dress up as Mushu with their husbands
I theorise that part of the reason ariel got lots of punk edits was the idea of being a punk being related to 'not fitting in' and 'omg mom you don't get it' and ariel is obsessed with humans like omg dad you don't get it. Not to mention the idea of being a cool edgy teen who feels like an adult but is not listened to and had their voice respected like you think it deserves to be and then ariel literally being voiceless
Whenever I think of punk edits, I immediately think of this tattoo shop on the way to my college that had Albert Einstein with face tattoos as its sign that I saw several times a week. The sign is gone now, but it still lives rent free in my head
I miss polyvore sooo much. I'm still so upset I can't go back and look at all my old art. I made so many collages. I remember one day I found a girl in my rp group who actually put effort into her posts made for said group. Instead of a single pic of her character's face claim and MAYBE an outfit, she made full on paper dolls with the crop tool. And before that one of the most popular users was this guy who made the most amazing collages with aforementioned crop tool. They honestly shaped my art style in a very distinct way. I actually just got into paper crafts because I missed making those collages so much 😅 and yes, after I left polyvore I moved on to using gimp to make edits to post on tumblr. I used to edit my skin blue and eyes fully black to match my old Sims I made as a younger kid. People used to beg me to edit things for them. One of my edits actually went semi viral and I still see it to this day. It was just a shitty low quality pic of Melissa Marie from Millionaires with an even worse quality pic of Gerard Way 😂😂😂 so if you saw that, that was me lmfaoooooo.
There's Fashmates now which works pretty much the same way! I was actually able to move all my existing outfits from Polyvore over bc I think there was a feature when it first shut down but that's probably not able to be done anymore; still, you can still make new ones I do it all the time! ^^
I remember these being called "hipster" too--hipster Ariel, hipster Belle, etc. I think they often used the same images even? A lot of times they were edited in an advice animals meme style making fun of hipsters like "I liked that band before they were popular" or a snarky Belle with thick framed glasses and the caption "you probably haven't read this" or whatever. I remember in particular there was a popular one of Ariel using an image of her in the movie cringing and gesturing with her fingers--i think from when she first sees Erik after losing her voice and is trying to communicate with him? I remember The Mary Sue publishing a compilation of these in an article, and I'm pretty sure there was even official Disney merch at Hot Topic with hipster or punk edits. I'm 36 and have been in online fandom since the 90s and you're unlocking a lot of memories for me here, lol. I feel like stuff like punk AUs weren't as common in the anime fandoms I was in, maybe because anime was already seen as kinda weird and alternative? Although it could also be that I was still in my good little Evangelical Christian girl phase and just didn't seek them out so I didn't notice them much...
new strange content at the BEST time. i’ve been listening to your videos as i recover from my wisdom tooth extraction, and it’s very comforting. thank you!!!
“This is all Star Trek’s fault, I just haven’t figured it out”- Oh yeah, the Mirror Universe where there’s alternate versions of every character that are darker, meaner, more horny, and is frequently used in insane fanfics!
6:00 -ish: in my time on Wattpad, there was a LOT of romanticizing crime/crime-adjacent things, specifically gangs. I don’t necessarily think that was the most prevalent inclusion, but it was something that betrayed a fundamental misunderstanding of the topics authors wanted to include. As a pre-teen/teen, I didn’t like the, “omg the group of guys all in love with me are actually a four-man gang with matching tattoos,” thing because gangs were just scary, violent people to me. Now that I’m in my twenties, my concern has shifted to how stereotypes, media portrayal, and essentially propaganda, informed the ways those authors portrayed gangs. To be in a gang was serious, but only on a surface level because that’s all they were shown. When people talk about gang activity, it’s never about the circumstances which lead to it. The failing systems that make it necessary to work outside of them in order to survive. It’s so interesting to look at content resulting from that and to see how media and stigma we grow up with, grow and change with us. How we consciously and unconsciously enforce norms. I would love to see more genuine analysis of why fic has certain patterns, who is writing/wrote fic and why, but it’s hard when fandom often isn’t taken seriously :(
Personally feel like that's not just a fandom problem, most works of fiction dealing w crime, organised or otherwise, have that attitude/mindset. (I think if you want to start discussions w people around how gangs are portrayed, you can easily sidestep the fanfiction bias by just talking about pre-existing work, or 'copaganda' if you prefer.) As someone who's favorite subgenre of badfic is "your boyfriend is a mafia" (real wattpad title), it's all very silly, innocent and clueless. Same as when young fanfic authors (or lazy older ones) try to write a business/CEO love interest or what have you. Now PRISON AUs... That's something special. (Tho still don't think that's a fandom-only issue, it's just really, really funny in execution.)
i very much appreciate your commitment to preserving and honouring internet history. i also think there is a natural progression after punk edits in illustration where there was just endless characters as x, y, z. particularly punzie ‘s art (can’t remember their @ rn!). super popular in 2014-2016. then moodboards in the late 2010s. i’m ngl im still partial to the trend and think it’s fun and cute!
I had an ariel punk edit as my facebook profile picture when i was 11 (2013) and i have a distinct memory of my step mom saying it was super goofy and i yelled back ITS COOL AND REPRESENTS ME
This trend was so huge, it didn't just break tumblr containment, but internet containment. I used to walk through the mall and see these kinds of graphics on t-shirts and notebooks. The "grunge revival" was just beginning to kick off on tumblr around that time, and I associate these edits with that trend and Tumblr's obsession with Effy from Skins, even though, as you say, they're much more inspired by the style trends of scene/emo rather than punk or grunge. I also associate the Disney edits with the song Alice by Pogo (who sadly massively sucks as a person) which went viral on Tumblr around 2012. It's not punk music, but it fit the vibe of taking this innocent, nostalgic thing which a retro aesthetic and remixing it in a cooler, edgier way.
I’d say that my favourite example of punk edits in fandom is in the Rise Of the Brave Tangled Dragons (plus frozen sometimes) fandom. While I was never in it directly, I have seen all the movies and had several friends in it, and HOO BOY did they frickin LOVE their punk edits. I swear, if you look into the tumblr tags, the fanfics, the fanart, you cannot escape the emo/punk edits. It’s like every other post at times. Of course, it’s a fandom deeply entrenched in the Disney/Dreamworks sphere, but it also has a surprising amount of overlap with the boy and fandoms. A lot of the creators were in both - one of my friends was obsessed with it and One direction at the same time and I saw how much overlap happened through that. But yeah, that group was at its peak at exactly the right moment in exactly the right place to get full force THROTTLED by the trend, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s one of the reasons why it got so popular and stayed around for so long.
Before Tumblr, before even Livejournal, my first run-in with punk edits was on Fanforum in the Roswell fandom after their Meet The Dupes episode (first place I ever heard Linkin Park, never forget) where all the alien characters had their own walking talking punk edit doppelgangers. Because of that the fandom started editing existing photos of the characters to be more ~punk. It was always a thing in early photo-manip fanart circles (I know I did them maybe as early as the late 90s with BtVS characters) but photoshop fanart was a pretty niche skill until the mid aughts, so it makes sense they didn't have their moment until the Tumblr days.
As a trans gmasc person, I myself went the "preppy girl" to "punk boy" route before settling down on "idk man it changes by the day but i do really like corsets i guess?" Oh and I remember the Disney Bounding! I really liked those, despite not being into Disney at all as a child. I only tried Disney Bounding last year, when some friends invited me to Disney World. It felt very freeing! People commenting on my clothes wasn't just about if they looked good on me, but mostly about if they recognized the character. Cosplay without the pressure (I put on myself), everyone who realized who I was going for was another happy surprise Say about Disney what you will, it happened to really boost my confidence and made me worry less about people in my daily life judging my clothes.
I think there's something human about taking things we think of as not edgy making it edgy, especially for teenagers. my mind goes to those edits of Bugs Bunny and Spongebob as gangsters with money and guns. I wonder if those are related to punk edits or if it's like a weird parallel. Also I used to do "punk edits" (sharpie pen emo makeup/tattoos) of the people in the magazines my parents read as a kid in the 2000s lol
Boy, "'My Immortal' is a Punk AU" really punched me in the face rn. I was not expecting that take but it is scalding hot tea and you are right and you should say it.
Even tho I was never on tumblr; man! I’m familiar with punk edit Belle, Rapunzel, Ariel, and punk Disney in general and honestly I miss it sometimes. 😊😊😊
It's funny to me that it took you almost 18 min to finally mention the infamous Disney edits, bc those were the very first thing that came to my mind as soon as you said "punk edits" in the beginning lol. They were very prolific back in the day, so much so they cropped up regularly on Buzzfeed listicles every couple months.
OMG, sharpie on skin. I'm only five minutes into this video but it's already truly unhinged, it's bringing back memories of mid 2000s emo days when my buddy Mark was too embarrassed to buy real eyeliner to get himself emo'd up for a show so he stopped in at Office Depot and picked up a fine line sharpie and proceeded to go right into his lash line with it. I don't remember who all was playing that night, but I do remember Fall Out Boy was headlining and we did not see them play because we were sitting in the urgent care hoping it wasn't serious,
When you started this I had the feeling it was gonna start with Disney edits on tumblr but I had no idea how viscerally I would be yeeted back in time by the original edits. I am absolutely sure that I reblogged those back in 2011.
As a punk and an emo, the “im not emo im punk!” Is still absolutely around today, cmon we’ve all done it. It’s weird to have a foot in either door, like I get not wanting to be seen as an edgy kid playing dress up but instead a “cool, counter-cultural punk rocker” and especially because if you’re an isolated kid who don’t know other punks and/or doesn’t know how to get into the scene, it can be really hard to find punk bands and communities. So people who know they’re interested in it tend to float to larger bands with other fans they can talk to and make community with. But on the other hand, I’m gonna be honest it can get frustrating to try to find other punks and all anyone wants to talk about or knows is BVB and Panic!. There is also the element that we can be pretty protective of our scene, (to an annoying degree in my opinion, but hey) because we don’t want the scene getting flooded with neolibs who think people in homelessness are unsightly. And there’s ALSO the element that most punk bands have like. 12 songs and are composed of 4 chicks from your hometown, and for most people who see the punk scene as a fandom, you can’t do a lot with that. It’s hard to make online punk friends when you don’t wanna doxx yourself and you keep forgetting the names of the people in the band. Imo that’s why emo bands have so much more of a fandom, their lyrics are often very personal and emotional (hey I wonder where they get the name from) and for a 15 year old who feels left out, they have a way to connect. With punk bands, you’re hella lucky if their lyrics are even written down anywhere. Idk, this is such a huge topic, I have so many thoughts on this
Ariel's hair also coincidentally looked a lot like the classic voluminous, side-parted emo hair of the time - and she is a "fish out of water"-trope character, which is relatable to alternative youngsters.
I have a whole thing with grimace on discord. Problem being grimace edits are not the most prevalent thing in the world. You have inspired me to make a grimace punk edit to set as my new pfp
I think Ariel's popularity within these kinds of edits is because if you squint, her story is pretty relatable to a lot of people in alt subcultures. She starts the movie fascinated by a culture that her family dislikes and wants her to stay away from, she meets someone who is part of that culture and she immediately gets very attached to him. After she has a huge fight with her father over it, she runs off, makes a drastic change in her appearance to fit into that culture as well. You barely need to fill in the blanks.
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Btw since you didn’t seem to talk about it, the aladin picture is gay porn of aladin fucking Hercules
I must know. Did the crab get washed off before dinner or were they a christmas guest
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Cool video, I do want to go even further to the 1970's Punk Edits done by anarcho-punk artists group called CRASS. Their 1979 album cover titled "Bloody Revolution, Person's Unknown" depicts a picture of 1970s punk band "The Sex Pistols" but the heads were replaced by Margaret Thatcher, Pope John Paul-2, Statue of Liberty & the Queen of England.
I would confidently say that this album cover is technically one of the very first Punk Edit, as it depicts 4 famous & polarizing political/religious figures dressed as Punk-Rockers.
Also, in the early 1980's alot of.punks would Punk Edit various other political & religious figures in album cover, show flyers and in general; common practice back in the day. Ronald Reagan was one of the Most popular Punk Edits in the 1980's.
Thanks again for the video. As a 51 year old.punk, I love the.topic. Thus bringing awareness to the 1970s & 1980s famed Punk Edits that came directly from early Punk Rawk communities 😎 👍
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@@nomlemons1822 strange we need answers
if u go into any alternative shop in london you’ll still find that godforsaken punk rapunzel tee
Masterpiece. 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
Those shirts and "normal people scare me" shirts make up 90% of stock at Camden market
Ok, but why not a Queen Elizabeth II punk edit shirt?
North London is like "I want to be alternative, but not so alternative that it intimidates people or challenges the class order in any way because I pay 5000 pound a second to live here"
Fr like what is emo aerial doing I'm Camden Market right next where the clash shot there album cover
Fun fact: That Aladdin picture used for all those edits, the one where he’s holding his arm above his head with his eyes closed, is actually from an explicit gay comic in which he has sex with Hercules. It’s not from the movie at all, but ironically it’s one of the most recognizable images of Aladdin on the internet.
I love learning about history
@@thecatlurkingyes, the world is a fascinating place indeed.
i was about to comment this lmaooo i almost died thinking the first ever punk edit turned out to be an edit of aladdin getting blowed by hercules
This was a wild comment to read lol thank you
i dropped my jaw when i saw the edit because i knew exactly where it was from because of people talking about that LOL
I am a 31 year old Adult Emo and can confirm, in the 2000s-2010s, calling someone “emo” was NOT a compliment 🤣
I spent my teens insisting that I was goth, just to avoid that word. I now call my 32 year old self an emo as an act of vengeance against past me.
and for some reason (idk how this is in the US), the kids are back with this being an insult. I'm 21 and young gen z is using this as an insult again. it's really weird getting papa roach lyrics get sung at you again
@@Julius-lw4dp I work with teenagers, and they are BAFFLED by my embracing of all things emo. The baby emos have never been the ones the "adult in charge" approves of before. They're so confused. I'm having so much fun.
omg I would get _so offended_ if someone called me emo and like
looking back at pics of myself from that time period, I was 100% an emo/scene kid 😂
@@Julius-lw4dpand nobody knows what emo actually is. A couple months ago in class we were learning about the goths in history and everybody started making emo jokes. Like those subcultures aren’t that similar
“This is all Star Trek’s fault I just haven’t figured it out yet” is going to be my new excuse for everything
Its the fanfic equivalent of "the Simpson did it"
Mirror Universe (punk edit)
Source? Curious @ville__
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so my dad is like covered in tattoos and shit, and he happened to stumble upon punk edits of marilyn monroe and elvis. being fully unfamiliar with tumblr culture, he thought this was soooo original and actually got prints and framed them. they're still up in his living room. i simply don't have the heart to tell them that he has the same taste as tumblr teens in the early 2010s.
This is close to the platonic form of Dad.
so the question is, then, does this elevate the status of the 2010s tumblr teens aesthetic, or does this lower the status of your dads taste?
@@freshbread4039elevated
Never tell him. He is to pure for this world.
Punk edits raised me when my parents didn't want to
Sad but true for most😩
Punk edits and ruby gloom turned me emo smh
@@PorkSzoda me but also with school for little vampires 💀
same
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I remember making a punk edit of Edward Cullen once in class on the photoshop account my school paid for. definitely a proud moment
its still my Tumblr pfp as well
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you're so real for this
Only good use of adobe software honestly
I did the same with Nick cage! Lost the photo though 😔
Back in 2005-2009, every time someone asked or called me emo I would always say, “IM NOT EMO IM PUNK” 😭😭😭😭😭 the same era where Hot Topic had a Green Day pin that read “Kiss me, I’m punk!”
The funniest thing is that I am currently experiencing the same thing.
I had that Green Day pin. It sadly didn’t make me any less emo 😂.
For me it was "I'm not Emo I'm Goth!" 😂😅 I totally feel this
Saying "I'm not emo!" was apparently the most emo thing we did haha
Y'know I had the opposite problem, my parents thought I was goth, my dad couldn't pronounce goth and called it 'gothlic" and I would be like "NOOOOO DAD IM NOT GOTH IM EMO, I DONT WANT TO APPROPRIATE THE STYLE"
I was a lil gatekeeper.
I submit my theory for why Ariel was so popular in the punk edit community: she’s ~so misunderstood~ by her family and everyone around her and just wants to be ~part of her loved one’s world~ and that’s kind of angst
Did the ink wash off?
It also came out in 1989, with the sequels coming out in 2000 and 2008, so it would have been a pretty major part of the childhoods of the age demographic that were making these edits.
I think it's because she's the princess that shows most skin (due to her using only the shell top) and so she's the easiest to add tattoos to
@@ohdeer-sabrina8132jasmine is pretty similar in terms of skin showing
She was also heavily influenced by the director? Lyricist? I don’t know his exact role on the film, but his name was Howard Ashman, he was a gay man and despite morality laws surrounding queerness in media, he included a lot of themes in Ariel’s story that echoed his experiences - feeling of otherness, not belonging anywhere, family pressures. He’s the reason why Ursula is so cool, he designed her based on a real life drag queen he admired. He’s credited as responsible for the Disney Renaissance.
Of course, a lot of these queer undertones would register with fandom kids, who were often neurodivergent or queer themselves. It’s no wonder looking at the man responsible.
@@kwowka The queer undertones in The Little Mermaid are directly from the original 1837 fairy tale by Hans Christian Andersen who was himself bisexual.
As an old, I remember punk edits from at least back to the 80s. Though they weren’t called that back then. We made what would now be called punk edits of Regan and Thatcher. Back then it was clip art (like actual cutting out paper and taping/gluing to pictures and photocopying them). With the increase in computers, it naturally evolved and moved to other recognizable characters in the current zeitgeist.
I love finding other olds in online spaces like this! I feel like the Old Woman of the Mountain imparting tales of pre-internet and 90s internet fandom to the younguns sometimes. “Gather round the fire, and I will tell you of webrings. Of Angelfire and Geocities. I have fic on a site you can only find in archives and the Wayback Machine.”
Oh now that you mention it that totally makes sense! Would love to see some og punk Reagan 😂
This old "fandom" stuff is so cool to learn about! I had no idea it went back that far, thank you for sharing!
What are those edits ironic, or is this one of those "conservative is the new punk rock" kind of deals?
@@pennyforyourthots absolute irony. They were mostly made for flyers for punk rock shows. Those bands were often political and anti-government.
hello! fun fact! it is very very very rare to get ink poisoning just by drawing on top of your skin. you would have to have ink on broken skin, and that is still kinda rare. you’ll be fine - someone who draws on their skin A LOT.
I draw on myself w sharpie constantly and have had to google that many times to reassure myself and others- we’re good 🙏👍✨
Tattoo artists also make very liberal use of sharpies when freehanding; I don't think they'd risk that otherwise.
@@Herosoyyo2not to mention that there have been studies on using sharpies to mark during surgery and turns out they work just as well as surgical markers
yeah in hindsight "don't do that or you'll get ink poisoning" is definitely something our parents would say to stop us drawing on ourselves as kids lol
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we have progressed past the “we need to talk about [insert controversial topic here]” type of videos. we are now entering the era of teya manically yelling at the camera because father strænge is the only one who gives a shit about the topic at hand.
Hey we meer peasants under strange’s care also care about the topic at hand
@ville__wait what?!? Where did you hear/see that?
@@Izzy_jam he's just being a shit stirrer
It’s a bot (or a very dedicated loser who figured out what “Cntrl+v” does) that’s posting similar shit under multiple channels. I’ve seen it under Anna Marie and Tara Mooknee.
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When I was a little kid about 4, I remember seeing these punk kids in a parking lot, The one I recall most had a green mohawk (yeah cliche I know), a chain in his nose and The Ramones logo (I found out later what that was) on his jacket. As a child who watched Sesame Street and loved Oscar, I decided he was Oscar's cousin. Now this was 1983/84 so we're talking actual punk. To this day, I still love the ider of Oscar hanging out with a dude with a green mohawk, a chain in his nose and a Ramones jacket.
this is so precious
If this were tumblr I'd use my humble art experience to try and draw that and put it in the replies :) What a sweet thought kid you had!
@@throughcolouredglasses9300 Thank you.
Original punk
Plot twist - Punk Cousin is really into baking bread and gardening, and does his best to encourage Oscar to be friendlier with others.
Just in time for my lunch break 🖤
“it’s plagiarism with a steel chair!” I love that hbomberguy’s face is synonymous with calling out plagiarism 😂
Why, it's a mere 5 hours of easy watching! (I have watched it 3 times in full, strongly considering going again.)
that bit coming out of left field had me on the FLOOR, it was so unexpected and so, so perfectly executed.
@@patfitch6660 and you, you're my kinda person lol. every time i see an hbomberguy video in my reccs, it's a battle with myself over whether i should watch it again. that Pathologic video? i've watched it. so many times. i will watch it many more, i'm sure. something about watching a man descend into madness is just sooo satisfying. the roblox oof one is my absolute fave tho, and the fact that he mentions a part 2 in his plagiarism video had me so sooo hyped.
you know? maybe i'll go watch it again. as a lil treat. :)
@@Darkfyyrei watched it so many times for someone who will NEVER play pathologic
@@rottenisee2751same, I’ll never play the game myself but that doesn’t stop me from going “delicious E G G” at least twice a week
The phrase "My Immortal is just a punk AU" has just uprooted my reality
"This is all somehow Star Trek's fault I just can't prove it yet" is the truest axiom in any fandom space. It really does ALWAYS lead back to Kirk and Spock fanfics.
As a 53 year old Punk... I'd say that it goes back to before the Internet, or even computers.
The earliest commercial punk edit I could think of was in an early eighties rolling Stone advertisement for New Republican (Party), Ronald Reagan with a mohawk; but certainly there were punk edits going back to late 70s.
Hearing Polyvore mentioned made me do such a double take. Beyond just aesthetic collages and outfit references for fanfics or OCs, it had a whole culture of its own with roleplaying groups and fan fiction stories (and associated drama, call outs, and slap fighting). The old site and all of its content being taken down was such a loss for future internet historians - it was peak 2006-2012 fandom space vibes.
@ville__Your mom supports me (she is a very loving and caring woman)
FINALLY I used to make punk princesses in my coloring books as a kid 😭
@ville__ everyone knows your name is synonymous with spam do you really think you're going to succeed in cancelling someone by making up fake connections
"Fandoms are all so interconnected and somehow I Know this is Star Trek's fault" I adore my comfort hot mess so much, we have made so many horrific tropes over the years
This is so specific but i just want to add my 2 cents as someone who worked in disney world. The big reason adults can't dress as characters in the parks is safety- it would be a very easy way for predators to lure children in if they could pretend to be disney characters.
As an artist (who reblogged my fair share of punk edits on tumblr in my times), fuck IA "edits". Ai stuff has no place in fandom, and we don't have to act like their presence in our online spaces is inevitable. Don't stand for that stuff, shame people who share them.
YES
Lately I have noticed that a lot of AI blogs on tumblr don't tag the posts #ai. So you have to investigate if this art is made by AI or a really talented person. I hate it so much
AI kills the planet!
Thanks, I was starting to think I was the only one here who *FUCKING* hated AI image generators.
Things just become obsolete with time, you can either live in a delusion or come to terms with it. How many jobs have been replaced by robots? How many jobs are not required anymore? People don't need to train pigeons anymore, we have emails. People don't need to spend hours mincing meat for hamburgers, we have robots to do that for us. I do not understand this hypocrisy coming from the artist community, so many things have become replaced by robots and AI for a better society, for a world where things can be more accesible and easier to get, you're using things that have been made by robots on the DAILY. Think about how many people could've had a job if you didn't buy things built by robots. But you do not care about that, right? Because at the end of the day, you care about your comfort and the comfort of your loved ones. And at the end of the day, the rest of the world feels the same about AI art. I do not care whether its made by a person or AI, if it's good I will enjoy it, and I can't wait to see how much better it gets.
There will still be artists, just like there are still people that train pigeons, but instead of millions it would be just a few thousands. No matter how hard you fight it, deny it, ignore it, this is the future, and non artists do not care about you not having a job anymore, just like you do not care about the people that lost their jobs, being replaced by robots, to have a cheaper cost of production so you can buy it and use it. Also "B-but AI has no soul! No heart! It's trash compared to an artist's touch" AI is a baby right now, it barely started developing, and yet I saw multiple pieces that are greater than what 80% of the artist community can do. Sure, there will always be a handful of amazingly talented artists, the "Einsteins" of the art world, that would make pieces no AI could ever compare with. But most artists aren't like that, the vast majority will be replaced by AI. As proof you have people complaining that some people use AI but don't tag it as AI, and you have to investigate it in detail to know if it was made by a human or not: so again, if AI art is souless, how come people can be easily fooled into thinking a real person made it? And it will only get better. Be mad at me and the world all you want, I just know that at the end of the day this will be better for society, and that you're just hypocrites.
8:56 Star Trek IV: the Voyage Home. Kirk and Spock go back in time to the 80s and take a bus with a punk and Spock neck-pinches him because he was playing music too loud. What if they hadn't and had instead joined him? In this 25000 word fanfic I will-
Shatner's kid was just THAT influential, huh?😂
“Somehow it’s all connected to Startrek I just haven’t figured it out yet” all fandom things eventually lead back to Startrek
I remember very emo kids at highschool being very offended to be called emo back in the day, so its been very fun watching people all embracing it instead over the years.
@ville__ Source?
Honestly, I think part of the popularity of punk edits of Ariel is simply practical: her clothes during most of the movie don't cover much, so it's relatively easy to pop a band tee and some tattoos onto images of her. People don't generally edit images from scenes where she was wearing her pink dress, and I think that's because they would have to recreate the entire arm and a good portion of her hair to edit that giant pouffy sleeve out of the image.
Wonder if punk edits have any tie to those boardwalk gangster versions of cartoon characters that were big in the 90s and early 2000s. Like Spongebob smoking weed with chains
Hey Strange, have you ever gone down the rabbit hole of Disney Crossover music video Edits on RUclips? The music videos that talented editors/animators make where they use animations from pre-existing animations to create an entirely new story? They can be so good and so so bad. Just seems up your alley and adjacent to these types of edits!!
Are you talking about the one with Frozen, Brave, ROTG, and How to Train A Dragon? Raising of the brave frozen dragons or whatever it was called
strange should do a whole vid on AMVs! the disney ones, warrior cats, im sure there are plenty more. i hope she sees your comment!!
@@rx500android MEMORY UNLOCKED why did that even exist
rise of the brave tangeled gaurdians or whatever it was was covered by izzyzz i believe, thought i agree teya should too
Oh my god Disney and Disney adjacent AMVs my childhood
Punk Disney princess edits really had us in an unmatched chokehold
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It drove me insane when people claimed tumblr started the punk edits because I could recall back in the myspace days punk edits already being everywhere.
edit: made this comment before I finished the video and thought it would go back far enough into the myspace days, haha! But yes, hundreds of punk edits are probably lost to time now from places like photobucket. Trust me, tumblr didn't start the edits.
I remember them too, they were just much less about photoshopping, because that stuff wasn’t as accessible or robust as it is now. Like yeah everybody had the same cracked version of adobe photoshop they’d downloaded from Kazaa but the people who actually knew how to use it were people who were already good at art and they would make fanart. Photo edits didn’t come until photo editing apps and software became more widespread and accessible, and I think that came as smartphones became more ubiquitous. But yeah, like, people were doing what I’d guess I’d call proto-punk edits in the aughts. I feel like there was a kind of goth version of Blingee that people used to do it? Am I crazy?
@@rudebega1494What? MySpace didn’t even come out until 2003. Photo edits were already commonplace in the mid-90s.
@@ZackC you’re probably right, I just didn’t hang out in the places that had them until I was in college, aka MySpace times. They were probably on Elfwood or Livejournal or something but I wasn’t in the fandoms that used them; in my online spaces photo edits were considered low effort compared to “real” fanart. And obviously photoshop and photo edits existed I just meant like, the specific subgenre of emo photo edits I remember first seeing on MySpace specifically.
@@rudebega1494 My response came off as super rude, so I apologize!
@@rudebega1494 I can distinctly remember a Tinkerbell Punk image with Pink, Black, and Silver Sparkles being used as album covers back in MySpace days.
hello father im currently writing my undergraduate thesis on emo music and culture and id like to make a correction about 5:08 and onwards!!
young netizens did *actually* use the word emo (which musically also originates from washington hardcore punk, so that'd be another connection) but it was more in relation of how emo was percieved in the 90s: nerdy, glasses-wearing, indie-oriented college boys. basically if pinkerton by weezer was a person. it was actually very different from what we percieve as the more gothic oriented emo aesthetic of the 2000s - and that was also partially insipired by mcr.
we also have to remember that 2000s emo and pop-punk, as a label and a scene, used to and still overlap A LOT. just look at fall out boy and paramore.
emo as a label has a very interesting history! i reccomend "nothing feels good" by andy greenwald and "from the basement" by taylor markarian if anyone wants to read works about emo as a music and scene, theyre amazing books!
Growing up, I had friends that were really into Midwest Emo so it was always fascinating seeing how emo went from Rites of Spring to Sunny Day Real Estate and Get Up Kids to the mid-00s scene. I mostly blame Swing Kids, but it's still trying to find out how the hell they went from kids looking like Mr Spock to full emo bangs.
90s emo reminds me of Josh in Clueless, and how Cher called the music he listened to “complaint rock.”
@@orkleth personal theory is that it was the "fault" of weezer's "pinkerton" going popular online tbh. the darker moody aesthetic of the album almost matches anything on mcr's "i brought you my bullets", including the gritty sound. plus there were a lot of emo 90s bands that were inspired by goth rock acts like the cure and the smiths (like thursday and jawbreaker). in general emo has had a lot of changes over the decades, it's so interesting!
Yeah, and the 'emo' aesthetic style originally was based on what we were wearing in WA, so I was confused and disappointed when I moved across the country to the east coast and would see people wearing familiar clothes, thinking they were people from my home state, only to find out they were just fans of certain bands. I was kinda surprised when the emo look shifted toward mall goth, instead of nerdy vintage looks
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I was doing punk edits in my sister's princess coloring books when I was in middle school around 2004.
American McGee's Alice came out on October 6, 2000. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the inspiration came from it.
It's not the origin, but it definitely seized on an interest for dark edgy fairytale/Disney vibes
"alright, this is about legolas in 2001" is the funniest thing for some reason.
The hundreds of “modern girl” or “bad girl” redraws of Disney princesses on TikTok have always reminded me of this, so I guess that Disney punk edits never die.
as a person who is still in the Phandom..... i feel like we gotta discuss pastel x punk. (i have no experience in non-anime fandoms that arent dnp so i have NO IDEA if "pastel" aus were a thing in similar fandoms i only know of it as a dnp thing)
YESSS OMG. The absolute chokehold those two Phan videos had on me as a teenager 😩
Pastel x punk shipping aus were VERY popular.
OH MY GOD YES the memory u just unlocked 😭
the pastel x punk phanfics had me in a chokehold
My favorite Halloween costume is a self punk edit, temp tattoos head to toe and fake piercings.
Every time i watch these videos and am reminded of just how insane early 2010s fanfictions were i get the urge to just give in and write my own over the top, mary sue self insert. I am cringe, but i am free.
do it!!! it sounds really fun!!! (this is not ironic or sarcastic at all, i am genuinely encouraging you to do it bc it sounds fun and i feel like i would also have fun if i tried to do it)
"this is all Star Trek’s fault I just haven’t figured it out yet" It always is, isn't it. Unironically the mirror-verse is an interesting potential predecessor to the one direction fics, with all the typically good characters being evil and cruel. (and sometimes sad and tortured, depending on the fics you read) Slap a couple fake tattoos and piercings on mirror-Sulu and you might have something there.
especially as the characters tend to have less conventional clothing?? like obviously you have evil goatee spock and slutty v-neck kirk but in the voyager mirror universe comic iirc janeway has like,, a vest that looks like it used to have sleeves and they were ripped off and short kinda spiky hair,, it definitely seems to have these sort of punk-inspired undertones, I guess because they want to imply a subversion of the norm and alternative fashion is a good way to do that??
I feel like there HAS to be more lost punk edit media of alice and wonderland. I was on tumblr from around 2009 and i feel like i saw so much of her around then. Shes always had the edgy fandom side because of the "drug references" in the movie/book. (Im still not sold on that theory but it is fun to think about). I still see punk edits of Ariel to this day!!! This is Alice erasure!!!
EDIT: specifically I'm thinking of edits with like crystal castles in the background and shit like that
Oh oh! I just finished writing a reply about how that was partially American McGee’s Alice’s fault! That game was one of the most visible examples and spawned a heap of that kinda art. That was from 2000 though so I’m sure it was around before then too…
I don't know that it's really 'lost' punk edits if American McGee's interpretation of Alice still exists in any way and is available to access. It's practically the quintessential 2000's guide to reinterpereting Alice.
@@legateelizabeth yeah, i meant a different kind of thing though they are similar. while the games are in the same vein I meant specifically images/gifs/videos of edits of alice from disney
@ville__ Typing it over and over is not a good way to make people think you're being legitimate. I don't even know who that is or why I should care.
@@legateelizabeth best to just ignore them, report and mute as needed!
and so, god said “let there be Punk Tinkerbell x Reader (Yuri), and there was Punk Tinkerbell x Reader (Yuri).” and god saw the yuri, and it was good.
genesis 1;3
I was reading fic as far back as 2006-7 and I definitely remember the phenomenon of "punkifying" characters back then, but I don't think we had a term for it.
I would just imagine everyone as an anthropomorphic animal character.
I'm familiar with punk edits of Disney characters (what a throwback).
But BILL NYE THE SCIENCE GUY? What's next? Punk edits of Inspector Gadget???
Tbf Inspector Gadget could literally do "gogo gadget eyebrow piercings and sleeve tattoos" so it's actually somewhat probable with him
I want that I want gogo gadget goth daddy
Bill Nye is punk on the inside
@@Draqua Now that you mention it...
@ville__someone really needs to take away your internet access.
OH MY GOD IVE SEEN SO MANY LIKE, ADS ON YT WITH THESE, like the "what Disney princess are you?" But it's Moana or Cinderella covered in tats and it's so weird, I KNEW it was a phenomenon but THANK you father strænge for covering this for me
Same! At some point my tiktok fyp was flooded with those punk redraws of popular characters and i was soo confused
Today I learned where the word "disneybounding" came from. I never really thought about it before, but the fact that it came from one person would have never occurred to me! It's fascinating how words can develop, especially since "disneybounding" at some point sprouted "historybounding" and has turned into "xy-bounding" as a totally new verb in a way...
34 year old elder emo here! I looove that you can both laugh at the cringe from that time but also have such an appreciation for where things come from. It's such a pure natural curiosity that is so appreciated haha! Can confirm as someone who was emo from 2004 from Three Cheers For Sweet Revenge, we CURSED anyone who dared call us emo! Even though I was a little older for the tumblr peak, I still followed some of it. Early internet was wild and I honestly look back on those cringe little moments of exchange with a smile. It was so cool to talk to people that look like you and I guess this just flowed into punk edits! Despite what tiktok or insta tells you, being alternative just wasn't cool so things like myspace and deviantart was a safe little bubble. Especially cos I was a young gay kid. I sound ancient but I just wanted to share how much I've loved your channel and your deep dives into such a fond snippet in time! :)
Wow, I'm happy it became such a thing, it was one of the first things I shared on the internet. I punk edited Buster Keaton photos in Microsoft Paint and posted them on my geocities fan page. I will crumble into dust, now.
I genuinely would love to see the punk Buster Keaton edits, they must go so interesting with his big sad eyes
Strange: I've traced the punk edits for Disney back to 2011
Me: She's so close to figuring out the obvious connection here.
Strange: I think they were inspired by this Alice image with blood splatter on her dress
Me: She's like, one Google search of "alice 2011" away from solving this mystery.
Strange: **concludes talking about Tumblr**
Me: **slams head on table**
Alice Madness Returns instantly had us edgy kids in a CHOKEHOLD
@@chronikuru I will die angry at EA that we're not getting Alice Asylum. T_T
I wasn't on Tumblr itself as a kid, but I was deeply obsessed with Tumblr-style content of Disney princess hipster edits and "modern-day" Disney themed outfits. I cannot tell you how often I saw that one black-and-white emo Ariel or the Disneybound-style Rapunzel Polyvore outfits during my childhood on the mid-2010s Internet. And so, so many Rapunzels with blue hair and black lipstick
that image of Rapunzel is burned into my mind 😆
Possibly unrelated, but in 2008, a well-meaning relative gave me a Tinkerbell notebook, which I then gave a Sharpie punk edit treatment. I think there's something appealing about taking something "traditional" and turning it into something subversive, which I guess is the point of punk as a subculture.
When you said Polyvore I felt SO seen - it was extremely popular for role players as well, I had so many polyvore collages to choose my OCs usual outfits asdfghjkl
My theory for Ariel’s popularity for edits - she already had the huge fringe that emo and scene kids were after, but a picture of her (at least from the waist up) was also easy to put clothes/tattoos onto because she didn’t wear much clothing in the beginning of the movie 😊
I was young in the 90s and lived next door to some of Minor Threat/Fugazi & hung out at the black cat in DC. This made me really appreciate being old now and young then. Thank you ❤
Love how the dan and phil punk edits were so iconic that they were mentioned / shown several times. And the unintentional honoring of their legacy witb sharpie drawings on skin
you're only a true Tumblr veteran if your memory of the Aladdin edit was someone trying to cancel it for making him too light skinned, and then someone in the reblogs revealing that the screenshot was not from actual Aladdin, but a porn parody of it
as someone who was a dedicated member of the 1D tumblr fandom at the time, I was waiting with baited breath for you to get to the source of the disney fandom like a lovely surprise 😂 I fully remember them being the catalyst for all of it
Idk why we always blame the star trek fandom for everything but I can't lie an edit or fanfic based on "Jean Luc Picard goes punk" is hilarious to me. I wouldn't be surprised at all if it already exists too.
I want a Deep Space Nine fanfic where Garak's tailor's shop is a branch of Hot Topic and he's constantly trying to convince Bashir they should get matching tattoos.
@@wendyheatherwoodi really want to pitch this to my bf, who writes garashir fic. He'll find it hilarious
@@mothman9003the internet (ok just me really) demands an update! Did you pitch it? Did he write it? Where can we read it?
Edits of Ariel with a Jack Daniel's shirt, piercings, & tattoos are a core memory for me. It's existed since my youth.
P.S. I remember that Aladdin edit so clearly from early Tumblr lmao
Working on irl punk editing myself.
I love the weird alt kids who do stuff like punk edits; it fills my heart with joy. I felt like I missed out on the zeitgeist at first but then I remembered I'd made a punk edit of Garfield like 10 years ago so I guess I can be in the club now lmao
I genuinely love your application of academic rigor to your work
The punk edit of the Harry Potter trio (you all know the one) is burned into my brain. For some reason tween me was OBSESSED. like full-on printed out, taped to my school planner obsessed.
With the three of them in a black void?
@@Mary-td2zw yes! I think the original photo was for Prisoner of Azkaban? Daniel still had his shorter hair
18:58 i. this image jumpscared me so hard because. i’m pretty sure i saw a post on tumblr abt how this exact whitewashed image of aladdin turned into a punk edit was actually part of some kind of nsfw comic thing someone made where aladdin gets sucked off by some other disney guy (might have been hercules????) and this was one of the panels where. yeah. thinking abt it it might have been something i saw off of heritageposts with the og post to tumblr having been reblogged with further info
Having a painful flashback right now to the fact that when I was about 13 I ran a Facebook page dedicated to emo/punk/goth (yes I know they're different, I just didn't at the time) edits of popular characters called "Cute Emo Drawings"
If we wanted to tie it all back to Star Trek, this concept of the mirror dimension and “evil” versions of the characters would sort of fit into this. Take mirror Spock’s atrocious facial hair, for instance as the physical marker of the “evil” or “twisted” version.
The fact that Disney-bounding is just the word for dressing up at the parks now is insane… I didn’t even know it was from a blog called that I’ve just seen millennials dress up as Mushu with their husbands
I theorise that part of the reason ariel got lots of punk edits was the idea of being a punk being related to 'not fitting in' and 'omg mom you don't get it' and ariel is obsessed with humans like omg dad you don't get it. Not to mention the idea of being a cool edgy teen who feels like an adult but is not listened to and had their voice respected like you think it deserves to be and then ariel literally being voiceless
I once made a Nick cage punk edit in high school and I’m so sad I lost the photo
I read this as Nick Cave for a moment and was confused in a pleasant sort of way. But Nick Cage is even funnier.
Whenever I think of punk edits, I immediately think of this tattoo shop on the way to my college that had Albert Einstein with face tattoos as its sign that I saw several times a week. The sign is gone now, but it still lives rent free in my head
I miss polyvore sooo much. I'm still so upset I can't go back and look at all my old art. I made so many collages. I remember one day I found a girl in my rp group who actually put effort into her posts made for said group. Instead of a single pic of her character's face claim and MAYBE an outfit, she made full on paper dolls with the crop tool. And before that one of the most popular users was this guy who made the most amazing collages with aforementioned crop tool. They honestly shaped my art style in a very distinct way. I actually just got into paper crafts because I missed making those collages so much 😅 and yes, after I left polyvore I moved on to using gimp to make edits to post on tumblr. I used to edit my skin blue and eyes fully black to match my old Sims I made as a younger kid. People used to beg me to edit things for them. One of my edits actually went semi viral and I still see it to this day. It was just a shitty low quality pic of Melissa Marie from Millionaires with an even worse quality pic of Gerard Way 😂😂😂 so if you saw that, that was me lmfaoooooo.
There's Fashmates now which works pretty much the same way! I was actually able to move all my existing outfits from Polyvore over bc I think there was a feature when it first shut down but that's probably not able to be done anymore; still, you can still make new ones I do it all the time! ^^
I remember these being called "hipster" too--hipster Ariel, hipster Belle, etc. I think they often used the same images even? A lot of times they were edited in an advice animals meme style making fun of hipsters like "I liked that band before they were popular" or a snarky Belle with thick framed glasses and the caption "you probably haven't read this" or whatever. I remember in particular there was a popular one of Ariel using an image of her in the movie cringing and gesturing with her fingers--i think from when she first sees Erik after losing her voice and is trying to communicate with him?
I remember The Mary Sue publishing a compilation of these in an article, and I'm pretty sure there was even official Disney merch at Hot Topic with hipster or punk edits.
I'm 36 and have been in online fandom since the 90s and you're unlocking a lot of memories for me here, lol. I feel like stuff like punk AUs weren't as common in the anime fandoms I was in, maybe because anime was already seen as kinda weird and alternative? Although it could also be that I was still in my good little Evangelical Christian girl phase and just didn't seek them out so I didn't notice them much...
new strange content at the BEST time. i’ve been listening to your videos as i recover from my wisdom tooth extraction, and it’s very comforting. thank you!!!
“This is all Star Trek’s fault, I just haven’t figured it out”- Oh yeah, the Mirror Universe where there’s alternate versions of every character that are darker, meaner, more horny, and is frequently used in insane fanfics!
I support this line of reasoning.
6:00 -ish: in my time on Wattpad, there was a LOT of romanticizing crime/crime-adjacent things, specifically gangs. I don’t necessarily think that was the most prevalent inclusion, but it was something that betrayed a fundamental misunderstanding of the topics authors wanted to include. As a pre-teen/teen, I didn’t like the, “omg the group of guys all in love with me are actually a four-man gang with matching tattoos,” thing because gangs were just scary, violent people to me. Now that I’m in my twenties, my concern has shifted to how stereotypes, media portrayal, and essentially propaganda, informed the ways those authors portrayed gangs. To be in a gang was serious, but only on a surface level because that’s all they were shown. When people talk about gang activity, it’s never about the circumstances which lead to it. The failing systems that make it necessary to work outside of them in order to survive. It’s so interesting to look at content resulting from that and to see how media and stigma we grow up with, grow and change with us. How we consciously and unconsciously enforce norms. I would love to see more genuine analysis of why fic has certain patterns, who is writing/wrote fic and why, but it’s hard when fandom often isn’t taken seriously :(
Personally feel like that's not just a fandom problem, most works of fiction dealing w crime, organised or otherwise, have that attitude/mindset. (I think if you want to start discussions w people around how gangs are portrayed, you can easily sidestep the fanfiction bias by just talking about pre-existing work, or 'copaganda' if you prefer.)
As someone who's favorite subgenre of badfic is "your boyfriend is a mafia" (real wattpad title), it's all very silly, innocent and clueless. Same as when young fanfic authors (or lazy older ones) try to write a business/CEO love interest or what have you. Now PRISON AUs... That's something special. (Tho still don't think that's a fandom-only issue, it's just really, really funny in execution.)
God I used to love punk edits of Dan and Phil back in the day. Now I'm dating a tatted up brit. Punk edits changed my life
i very much appreciate your commitment to preserving and honouring internet history. i also think there is a natural progression after punk edits in illustration where there was just endless characters as x, y, z. particularly punzie ‘s art (can’t remember their @ rn!). super popular in 2014-2016. then moodboards in the late 2010s. i’m ngl im still partial to the trend and think it’s fun and cute!
I had an ariel punk edit as my facebook profile picture when i was 11 (2013) and i have a distinct memory of my step mom saying it was super goofy and i yelled back ITS COOL AND REPRESENTS ME
"Trapped on a Island with Bad Boy Josh Hucherson"
With special guest appearance by punk Joe Sugg.
*In a island
This trend was so huge, it didn't just break tumblr containment, but internet containment. I used to walk through the mall and see these kinds of graphics on t-shirts and notebooks. The "grunge revival" was just beginning to kick off on tumblr around that time, and I associate these edits with that trend and Tumblr's obsession with Effy from Skins, even though, as you say, they're much more inspired by the style trends of scene/emo rather than punk or grunge. I also associate the Disney edits with the song Alice by Pogo (who sadly massively sucks as a person) which went viral on Tumblr around 2012. It's not punk music, but it fit the vibe of taking this innocent, nostalgic thing which a retro aesthetic and remixing it in a cooler, edgier way.
I’m a bit embarrassed at how quickly i ran to get my grubby hands on that punk tinker bell x reader yuri . . .
I’d say that my favourite example of punk edits in fandom is in the Rise Of the Brave Tangled Dragons (plus frozen sometimes) fandom. While I was never in it directly, I have seen all the movies and had several friends in it, and HOO BOY did they frickin LOVE their punk edits. I swear, if you look into the tumblr tags, the fanfics, the fanart, you cannot escape the emo/punk edits. It’s like every other post at times. Of course, it’s a fandom deeply entrenched in the Disney/Dreamworks sphere, but it also has a surprising amount of overlap with the boy and fandoms. A lot of the creators were in both - one of my friends was obsessed with it and One direction at the same time and I saw how much overlap happened through that. But yeah, that group was at its peak at exactly the right moment in exactly the right place to get full force THROTTLED by the trend, and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s one of the reasons why it got so popular and stayed around for so long.
OMG!!!! you are giving me Vietnam flashbacks to the time when these edits were INESCAPABLE!!!!
Before Tumblr, before even Livejournal, my first run-in with punk edits was on Fanforum in the Roswell fandom after their Meet The Dupes episode (first place I ever heard Linkin Park, never forget) where all the alien characters had their own walking talking punk edit doppelgangers. Because of that the fandom started editing existing photos of the characters to be more ~punk.
It was always a thing in early photo-manip fanart circles (I know I did them maybe as early as the late 90s with BtVS characters) but photoshop fanart was a pretty niche skill until the mid aughts, so it makes sense they didn't have their moment until the Tumblr days.
God I love teens so much. Whatever year you where a teen in United in cringe we are one
As a trans gmasc person, I myself went the "preppy girl" to "punk boy" route before settling down on "idk man it changes by the day but i do really like corsets i guess?"
Oh and I remember the Disney Bounding! I really liked those, despite not being into Disney at all as a child. I only tried Disney Bounding last year, when some friends invited me to Disney World.
It felt very freeing! People commenting on my clothes wasn't just about if they looked good on me, but mostly about if they recognized the character. Cosplay without the pressure (I put on myself), everyone who realized who I was going for was another happy surprise
Say about Disney what you will, it happened to really boost my confidence and made me worry less about people in my daily life judging my clothes.
As a Star Trek fan I can confirm that everything weird revolving fandom connects back to Star Trek somehow
I think there's something human about taking things we think of as not edgy making it edgy, especially for teenagers. my mind goes to those edits of Bugs Bunny and Spongebob as gangsters with money and guns. I wonder if those are related to punk edits or if it's like a weird parallel.
Also I used to do "punk edits" (sharpie pen emo makeup/tattoos) of the people in the magazines my parents read as a kid in the 2000s lol
Boy, "'My Immortal' is a Punk AU" really punched me in the face rn. I was not expecting that take but it is scalding hot tea and you are right and you should say it.
Even tho I was never on tumblr; man! I’m familiar with punk edit Belle, Rapunzel, Ariel, and punk Disney in general and honestly I miss it sometimes. 😊😊😊
It's funny to me that it took you almost 18 min to finally mention the infamous Disney edits, bc those were the very first thing that came to my mind as soon as you said "punk edits" in the beginning lol. They were very prolific back in the day, so much so they cropped up regularly on Buzzfeed listicles every couple months.
Ariel was the most popular because her arc kicked off with rebelling against her dad, I just know it, I know it deep in my 20 year old emo heart
If you're curious about the source of that Aladdin pic, let's say it's from a comic where Aladdin gets spicy with Hercules
OMG, sharpie on skin. I'm only five minutes into this video but it's already truly unhinged, it's bringing back memories of mid 2000s emo days when my buddy Mark was too embarrassed to buy real eyeliner to get himself emo'd up for a show so he stopped in at Office Depot and picked up a fine line sharpie and proceeded to go right into his lash line with it. I don't remember who all was playing that night, but I do remember Fall Out Boy was headlining and we did not see them play because we were sitting in the urgent care hoping it wasn't serious,
When you started this I had the feeling it was gonna start with Disney edits on tumblr but I had no idea how viscerally I would be yeeted back in time by the original edits. I am absolutely sure that I reblogged those back in 2011.
As a punk and an emo, the “im not emo im punk!” Is still absolutely around today, cmon we’ve all done it. It’s weird to have a foot in either door, like I get not wanting to be seen as an edgy kid playing dress up but instead a “cool, counter-cultural punk rocker” and especially because if you’re an isolated kid who don’t know other punks and/or doesn’t know how to get into the scene, it can be really hard to find punk bands and communities. So people who know they’re interested in it tend to float to larger bands with other fans they can talk to and make community with.
But on the other hand, I’m gonna be honest it can get frustrating to try to find other punks and all anyone wants to talk about or knows is BVB and Panic!. There is also the element that we can be pretty protective of our scene, (to an annoying degree in my opinion, but hey) because we don’t want the scene getting flooded with neolibs who think people in homelessness are unsightly. And there’s ALSO the element that most punk bands have like. 12 songs and are composed of 4 chicks from your hometown, and for most people who see the punk scene as a fandom, you can’t do a lot with that. It’s hard to make online punk friends when you don’t wanna doxx yourself and you keep forgetting the names of the people in the band. Imo that’s why emo bands have so much more of a fandom, their lyrics are often very personal and emotional (hey I wonder where they get the name from) and for a 15 year old who feels left out, they have a way to connect. With punk bands, you’re hella lucky if their lyrics are even written down anywhere.
Idk, this is such a huge topic, I have so many thoughts on this
Ariel's hair also coincidentally looked a lot like the classic voluminous, side-parted emo hair of the time - and she is a "fish out of water"-trope character, which is relatable to alternative youngsters.
I have a whole thing with grimace on discord. Problem being grimace edits are not the most prevalent thing in the world. You have inspired me to make a grimace punk edit to set as my new pfp
I think Ariel's popularity within these kinds of edits is because if you squint, her story is pretty relatable to a lot of people in alt subcultures. She starts the movie fascinated by a culture that her family dislikes and wants her to stay away from, she meets someone who is part of that culture and she immediately gets very attached to him. After she has a huge fight with her father over it, she runs off, makes a drastic change in her appearance to fit into that culture as well. You barely need to fill in the blanks.