Simagic Alpha FFB holding torque 18.8 NM
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- This HOLDING torque not peak torque IS a lot higher 25-30nm maybe….
Force 15.4kg…. Centre of wheel to force point is 12.4cm so that equals 18.7 NM
15.45 x 9.81 x 0.124 = 18.8 NM 
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Thanks for this, very timely as Im in the thought process of switching from CS DD 8Nm to the Simagic Alpha.
Do it dont think about it. Just do it. Even me I own a new dd+ well come to find out I was having a few issues with my alpha just because of me. Was my fault and now I went back to it dialed everything in and omg it's perfect. I even prefer it over the dd+ so yeah go for it and enjoy. It will blow your mind. No more rubbing sounds either or friction. 😊
@@reviewforthetube6485Cheers and good to hear you prefer it even over the DD+.
Can I ask what we're the settings you dialled in and which SIM title you mostly use?
@Wilayaat it was the interpelation and the smoothness setting. I turned interpelation up and smoothness down so I found that balance and the detail just popped off the game. Amazing stuff. Interpelation works different on the simagic compared to dd+ had to lower it on the dd+ the INT setting. So yeah the two brands use it differently.
@@reviewforthetube6485 Aah right, thanks for that. Will bear it in mind!
and me mate!
Makes sense.
What cockpit do you have
This vs vrs directforce pro? Holding torque ? And peak?
Do a showing of your rig
The fact its able to hold it is amazing. Can you do this test again but see how long it lasts before going below 14nm?
It never went below 15kg…. That was me letting the wheel return because I let the force off.
It held above 15kg until I get tired. I didn’t want to damage it by doing experiments for hours on end.
But easily 10-15 mins at 15kg holding possible. Maybe more but i didn’t want to due science experiments for RUclips and if anything happeneds then my fault and RUclips don’t buy me a new one.
It never went below 15kg
@@Max__apex that's insane never expected that. Most bases do not do that. That's absolutely incredible. It's holding torque must be insane then. Like even asetek is only 40 seconds.
@@reviewforthetube6485
Your now back to simagic from dd+ ??
And What sim do u use ??
@@Max__apex yep! Remember I hit you up on your other video told you I found out my alpha had issues and it was also settings. Didn't realize how good it was until I got it fixed. So I wasnt even getting the right experience. Now I am! I ordered the ultimate tbh for my pc rig it's def not needed but I'm happy with it and my dd+ will be back up. So I'm hype af and yeah def blown away by simagic.
I play acc, f1 2023 which is what I call my fun title. It's just purely fun and really enjoyable. F1 2024 is coming out the 1st also! So that's cool. I also play OG AC. And of course iracing. Rf2 and raceroom are pretty good also.
Btw the dd+ is still incredible for something from fanatec. But there is this feeling to simagic this flowy feel that they can't match. It's because fanatec has like always dampening on even when it's off its a dampening they have built in with even turning all settings off so it has this more drag feel to it
Didn't realize how far simagic software has come. It's so so good it's even better then it was 8 months ago which I'm shocked by how much detail I'm getting out of the ultimate.
This test can be useful about knowing how powerful the motor is, but it does not guarantee that games can send this much torque. Max torque from the games can just be limited to 15nm via software.
I compared my Moza R9 to an Alpha Mini v3 and if I increase the game FFB by 11% with Moza R9 it felt similar to the Mini in terms of power (with more clipping of course). So 9nm vs 10nm looks valid for those.
I think the games clips on big forces and maximum force is send to the wheel….. I can confirm max torque is too much power. And very violent. Mini power review coming out.
I have tried 8-9nm bases and the mini power is a lot more.
In fact a lot of RUclipsrs said Mini beats the r12 easily in power so adding it all up I think Mini is perfect base. Alpha is for fun and laughs.
Ultimate is stupid too buy. Same ffb as mini but more top end
@@Max__apex Yeah I've seen those R12 comparisons and thought the Mini would be enough for me but it wasn't as strong as I hoped (I'm replacing with Alpha). I mean if it feels stronger than R12 then it should feel much stronger than R9 right? But that was not the case. Dan Suzuki was the one who said that and the problem is he is not using the latest v3 version of the Mini in his review. Latest Mini is a bit smaller and looks different at the edges. So my theory is Mini is limited to 10nm now either by the software or hardware.
@@oskansavli
It’s not smaller the body is the same …. The electronic section at the back is shorter and that is plastic section.
@@Max__apex Hey, can you tell me what's the wattage of your Alpha v3? I just received an Alpha v1 and it's 252W (36V x 7A). Do you know if there is any difference between v1 and v3 other than the shape?
@@oskansavli
Are you that Damien due on FB ?
Enjoyed the video very interesting, makes me wonder what the Simagic Alpha U would be.
I’ve tried it and I estimate around 30nm ….. my one punches really hard and simply violent.
Ultimate is does what it wants to the wheel and you have no choice but to submit to its desires.
Interesting.I just got an alpha.What cockpit is that?
Vesaro rig
@@Max__apex Very nice rig. I just looked at prices for Vesaro rigs. omg lol
What version is the alpha? Did uou just get it?? Whats the wattage of your power supply?
Power supply is 238w ….. I got a strong base. Alpha is a beast
@@Max__apex nice that's what I got too! Same power supply. Want to make sure they didn't lower the torque but I have no tools to test. Thanks!
@@micofok730
Why are people now so paranoid and nothing has changed.
So much talk about lower power etc ….
From thin air grown men are worried 🤣🤣
@@Max__apex haha well that's how rumor works. Someone say something, and you're worried yours are the same. With equipments this expensive, you don't want it to be "inferior".
@@micofok730
You know your Alpha bases is strong. And most likely you turn it down.
Even if they made it weaker then still doesn’t make a difference.
But it’s stronger if anything or the same.
Fancy wheel apex!
Cheers …. Hope all good with you brother x
oyun ıcındemı yaptınız bu testı nasıl yaptınız acıklarmısınız detaylı anlayamadım da
Did this at the lock in the software
There are two versions of the alpha (non mini) too. Never version is shorter and the psu is lower power rated. The electornic cover got shorter on the never version and the shaft got longer. The older one base length is 188.5 mm and the never one is 179 mm without the shaft. My question is which version do you have?
From what he did answer me another post it is V3. But seems like they did make some production costs.
My one is V3 with a 236w power supply that can give 18.8 NM …… Mini is strong V3. New motor is super efficient and strong
@@Max__apex I did talk with the person that have mini V1 and mini V3 side by side. He confirm that Mini V3 is significantly weaker then V1
@@peterenis4752
No one did any measurements and making claims….
Variations in units can happened and some people with v1 upgrade and says it is too weak.
No one did what I did to settle the debate and prove with video the actual power readings and they keep talking like bunch of silly politicians.
V3 is just as good and if anything more efficient and my PSU is 236w and gives 19 Nm.
So I think 218w can easily give 13 NM
@@Max__apex - My Alpha Mini has a 237w power supply and is a V3
Which version of Alpha is this?
I heard latelly that alpha mini v1 did have 13nm, but not anymore and it is only 10nm.
V3 …. I doubt that the regressed very much.
The gap between the Mini and Alpha would be 9nm
@@Max__apex Many people says it is worse and even the guy that have both v1 and v3
@@peterenis4752
With so much competition in the 10-15nm range do u think simagic would degrade there product ???
That is the most stupid thing I heard.
Aseteck … Fanatec…. Cammus … moza
all fighting to win business from Simagic and they decide to make the product worse in the most fierce market segment ??
NO I don’t think they are that stupid.
@@Max__apex Seems liek they did do anyway. New V3 is shorter, lighter, and from what you can read from many people it doesnt feel for more then 10nm. People having moza R9 doesnt feel like it is rly stronger. V1 in the reviews people was saying that it feel stronger then R12. So...
What's the point, it's more than you can force turn while sitting down anyway (at least for me, don't know how ripped you are xd)... enough to overpower you should be a good metric xd
Alpha is the perfect base tbh ….. more than enough. Never feeling like need more and having to turn it down a bit to be comfortable
most people enjoy under 15nm and even people who hav e top end 25nm bases use them at lower setting but they still benefit from the wheelbase providing better feedback than mid range wheelbases.
The error is tremendous with this method. I wouldn't trust the measurement at all.
lol …. Tangential force multiplied by distance.
That how Isaac newton would have done it. Unless there is new physics in the universe that come into play after 14 billion years 😂
@@Max__apex With an error of like 30-40% in your measuring instrument, and the motor not even being at peak holding torque most likely.
@@ArchOfficial
Error is closer to 5% but realistically 3%…… In the interest of science how have you come to 40%……
My maths I will give you here and tbh I don’t even want to type it out as I feel your comment is so outlandish and without understanding.
It’s shocked me when I saw the figured you have typed.
@@Max__apex On a good scale you might get +- 0.5 to 0.6kgf, but good luck with these things.
This is about right, if based going off of feel too. Simagic themselves say they don't really conform to any measurement method as there is no standard of measurement for this type of application.
The Alpha Mini for example is often rated as being or feeling stronger than a Moza R12, which is rated at 12nm. Which if measured in this way, I'm guess it'll come to 12-13nm of torque (if given same amount of overhead as in this test with Alpha). That would make sense as to why it feels stronger than an R12.
Mini measured at 13.5nm
@@Max__apex Well... looks like not anymore. Seems like v1 yes, but not the v3 at least.
@@peterenis4752
Have you measured the v3 ??
So Do you know anyone who has hard data ??
Nice idea! But this isn’t how holding torque works! This tool is made to measure pull strength not holding weight on a dd wheelbase
Mate Dunno what you’re on about.
And it doesn’t make sence and it never will. I don’t think you ever did maths haha
Probably pretty close to peak torque I would think, I have a VRS holding torque is 10nm, peak torque is 20nm. And Simagic bases seem about three newton meters, above what they advertise.
Man force in a given direction is just that. It doesn’t matter in which direction it’s measured. This is basic physics. There is some margin for error in this method because the force measured is only accurate if the force is measured perpendicular to the line drawn between the center point and measurement point. Also the distance between the centre of the motor and measurement point must be precisely measured for an accurate force to be calculated. all of this appears to have been done to a relatively good degree by the OP that the measure is likely accurate to at least +/- 5% accuracy. Not perfect, but an interesting test nonetheless.
yaptıgını anlayamadım kardesım tutma torkunu ölçtüğünü iddaa ediyor doğrumudur yaptığı ben anlayamadım
@@alecmillea4539 yanı şimdi bu test tutma torkunun bu olduğu anlamınamı geliyor 15 kg ağırlık çekiyor bu tutma torkumu oluyor motorun ?
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