Beethoven: Sonata No.24 in F-sharp Major, "à Thérèse" (Biss, Kovacevich, Jando)

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  • @eliaseriksen4809
    @eliaseriksen4809 4 года назад +141

    An e-mail ticked in on a clear F-sharp immediately after the second movement. I may now die in peace.

    • @Ivan_1791
      @Ivan_1791 4 года назад +10

      Geez, that's crazy.

  • @tfpp1
    @tfpp1 3 года назад +39

    I played this for my sophmore recital at community college. I absolutely adored working on it. When you don't have the time/emotional space to learn one of his larger works, this is the perfect "Cliff's Notes" to Beethoven's sonatas.

    • @PianistStefanBoetel
      @PianistStefanBoetel 7 месяцев назад +2

      You mean the bridge for bigger Beethoven repertoire?

    • @AhbibHaald
      @AhbibHaald 5 месяцев назад

      Sonata 25 too

    • @tfpp1
      @tfpp1 5 месяцев назад

      @@AhbibHaald Yeah that one too

    • @nandovancreij
      @nandovancreij 3 месяца назад

      hahahaha i love the cliff notes comparison

  • @gayerest
    @gayerest 7 лет назад +169

    This first movement is just so... pleasant.

  • @Daniellewebb0225
    @Daniellewebb0225 6 месяцев назад +9

    This is by far my favorite Beethoven sonata. Played in my junior year in undergrad and I've been obsessed with it ever since❤❤

  • @AshishXiangyiKumar
    @AshishXiangyiKumar  7 лет назад +142

    Biss:
    00:00 -- Mvt 1
    07:03 -- Mvt 2
    Kovacevich:
    09:40 -- Mvt 1
    17:00 -- Mvt 2
    Jando:
    19:48 -- Mvt 1
    26:14 -- Mvt 2
    Biss' performance is both the most intimate and the most whackadoodle of the three: he blunts very slightly the first movement's contrasts, creating a beautifully dreamy tone, but exaggerates the sixteenth-note slurs in the second movement to superb effect (something Schiff and Schnabel also do). Kovacevich's more sharp-edged treatment emphasises those slurs slightly, and Jando's, whose approach is brisk and dramatic in the first movement and faux-gruff in the second, emphasises them not at all. Note also how at 10:26 Kovacevich turns the LH into barely-audible harmonic whispers, and brings out an implied melody in the RH that is an inversion of the opening motif.

    • @AshishXiangyiKumar
      @AshishXiangyiKumar  7 лет назад +27

      One last thing: Theme 1 of the second movement is actually a rather sardonic parody of "Rule Britannia" (which as it turns out Beethoven was quite familiar with). I'm serious: go listen to Rule Britannia, and you'll never be able to unhear it here.
      Here's a link to the relevant bit, which is performed with appropriate self-parody at the Proms every year: ruclips.net/video/rB5Nbp_gmgQ/видео.html

    • @adrian9270
      @adrian9270 7 лет назад

      Ashish Xiangyi Kumar o

    • @brynbstn
      @brynbstn 7 лет назад +9

      actually I'd say it's Kov's performance that is more intimate than Biss - it's a slower tempo, more legato, bends the rhythm more, and has a warmer tone (1st mvmt); I do not hear a "beautiful dreamy tone" in Biss, more so in Kov's. Biss's 2nd movement is certainly whacky, to the point of being preposterous, and K's more reasonable and place-able within Beethoven performance practice. Didn't get as far as Jando. Twice is enough. Thanks for posting multiple versions. But isn't it interesting how we've taken music in such a highly dissected direction - - comparing the finest details in performance between pianists - - certainly supports the thesis that classical music is the stuff of museums.

    • @SpaghettiToaster
      @SpaghettiToaster 7 лет назад +3

      Who's "we"? You didn't compare any fine details. Also, it doesn't support anything and such a thesis doesn't even exist because it makes no sense. Your comment was pointless.

    • @Beethoven1111
      @Beethoven1111 5 лет назад

      Forgive me, but... you state "Beethoven prepares us to expect the tonic, but no -- he emphasizes yet again an absurd augmented chord" The chord you're referring to here appears to be a diminished F sharp chord, not augmented. It has a fifth lowered a half step, thus making it a diminished chord. If the C sharp were to be raised a half step to a C double sharp, it would be augmented. But that's not what the sheet music shows.

  • @benjaminbeam5273
    @benjaminbeam5273 7 лет назад +117

    I love Beethoven!

  • @j.rohmann3199
    @j.rohmann3199 Год назад +13

    Currently working on that sonata and I gotta say... I have never had so much fun playing a piece. Its an incredible work and I cant wait to perform it for my exams one day!

  • @pavelbondarenko4708
    @pavelbondarenko4708 3 года назад +5

    0:00 Adagio cantabile-Allegro ma non troppo
    7:03 Allegro vivace

  • @alecrechtiene558
    @alecrechtiene558 7 месяцев назад +3

    0:48-1:07 arguably the best cadence I’ve ever heard.

  • @eunsungkwon485
    @eunsungkwon485 5 лет назад +5

    F# Major
    (1st, 2nd movement)
    Triumph over difficulty, free sigh of relief utered when hurdles are surmounted; echo of a soul which has fiercely struggled and finally conquered lies in all uses of this key.

  • @fergusmaclachlan1404
    @fergusmaclachlan1404 7 лет назад +54

    The second movement is fantastic!

  • @TJFNYC212
    @TJFNYC212 7 лет назад +39

    Thanks for posting this. I love this sonata. It has been said that Beethoven himself has a soft spot for it. I am not that familiar with Jando but SBK is definitive in his Beethoven in his cycle of the sonatas and concerti and Biss is a wonderful pianist and intellectual. BTW I am going to hear Kovacevich tonight here in LA in the Mozart c minor. I am excited. I have never heard him in concert before.

    • @saltburner2
      @saltburner2 5 лет назад

      BSK and I are almost exact contemporaries. I first heard him in a series including all the Mozart piano concerti in London's Queen Elizabeth Hall in the late 1960s/early 1970s.

    • @user-ph5wf5ko6x
      @user-ph5wf5ko6x 5 лет назад

      I like this Sonata too
      TJFNYC212 , Therese :
      Thank you Beethoven for this SoNaTa

  • @PaulHummerman
    @PaulHummerman 4 года назад +24

    "Therese" was the sister of Josephine, said to have been Beethoven's "Immortal Beloved".

  • @dukeofcurls3183
    @dukeofcurls3183 3 года назад +6

    I think this is my favorite Beethoven sonata

  • @playercembalo873
    @playercembalo873 7 лет назад +90

    Beethoven's most beautiful sonata. Emotional but intellectual.......

  • @sebastientraglia1351
    @sebastientraglia1351 7 лет назад +74

    It's quite amazing: I hear Schubert in the first movement and Alkan in the second one

    • @sebastientraglia1351
      @sebastientraglia1351 7 лет назад +19

      walter Yes, that's exactly what I meant to say: Beethoven was way ahead of his time. Maybe it would be more correct to say that Schubert and Alkan were very Beethovenian in their own way.
      I understand that you may find it futile and meaningless, but I love to compare styles of different composers and find connections

    • @DKDK8723
      @DKDK8723 7 лет назад +3

      Sebastien Traglia as you said, I hear a bit of rondo D951, which is one of my favorite Schubert. He was more into Beethoven in late period thus similarities are easily found in his sonatas and smaller pieces. So I assure the vice versa could be more acceptable; Some Btv may be heard in Sbt.

    • @sebastientraglia1351
      @sebastientraglia1351 7 лет назад

      walter No problem, I'd chat about classical composers for hours

    • @sebastientraglia1351
      @sebastientraglia1351 7 лет назад

      Ludwig Beethoven Ah, my bad... I let myself commit a logical fallacy to gain rethorical effect. It must be my love for continental philosophy ;)

    • @DKDK8723
      @DKDK8723 7 лет назад

      Sebastien Traglia Never mind! Now I'm just curious about what piece of Sbt you meant. As long as I listen to, D951 seems the closest to the 1st mov.

  • @tarikeld11
    @tarikeld11 5 лет назад +6

    I think the second movement is a modified sonata rondo. After developmental section you expect Episode 1 in tonic (recapitulation), but instead of that, Beethoven used the developmental section in tonic for the recapitulation. That means: Instead of ABACABA coda, the last movement has ABACACA coda.

  • @shibamusique
    @shibamusique 4 года назад +6

    우리가 흔히 알고 있는 '엘리제를 위하여'의 엘리제는 사실 본명이 테레제이고요... 이 소나타는 사랑꾼 베토벤이 테레제라는 여자를 사랑해서 그녈 위해 작곡한 선물이었다고 합니다....... 테레제가 참 예쁜 사람이었나봐요.......ㅜㅜ♡

  • @MrTylerNicole1
    @MrTylerNicole1 2 месяца назад +1

    What I find interesting about this is sonata is why Beethoven preferred F sharp over G flat major. G flat major has the same number of flats, but you wouldn’t need double sharps because everything would be naturals instead.

    • @matteoserra3787
      @matteoserra3787 5 дней назад

      It’s a psychological matter , Beethoven believed he could tell the difference between C-sharp major, and D-flat major not because they were tuned differently, but he could perceive a difference in terms of atmosphere, intention, drama

  • @gspaulsson
    @gspaulsson 4 года назад +6

    This was always one of my faves. Another underrated sonata is op.90, also in two movements, and a hint of the grandeur that follows.

  • @JumboCat9
    @JumboCat9 3 года назад +12

    Starts of very heart touching - 0:21

  • @Kalen1457
    @Kalen1457 7 лет назад +8

    Truly a magnificent Sonata. I've played this one in concert on several occasions.

  • @tomowenpianochannel
    @tomowenpianochannel 4 года назад +3

    Biss performance is brilliant, so detailed and sensitive; the 2nds are laughter. Jando is clear and energetic as always; very persuasive in the sudden contrasts of second movement.

  • @jackfletcher1000
    @jackfletcher1000 3 года назад +8

    Why do people always compare one thing with the other? Oh this is better than that ETC. In the words of Marcus Aurelius, take each thing as it is and enjoy it (or not).

  • @miguelisaurusbruh1158
    @miguelisaurusbruh1158 3 года назад +9

    That weird thing that Biss does in the second movement makes the thing x1000 better!

    • @giuseppeagresta1425
      @giuseppeagresta1425 3 года назад +1

      You're talking about his awesome staccato?

    • @miguelisaurusbruh1158
      @miguelisaurusbruh1158 3 года назад +3

      @@giuseppeagresta1425 Sorry, i don't know that much about music theory, i just enjoy the sonatas. I'm talking about how he plays the semiquavers different than how it should be played, making it better

    • @giuseppeagresta1425
      @giuseppeagresta1425 3 года назад +3

      @@miguelisaurusbruh1158I think I understand what you're referring to 👀
      It's the way he makes that sparkling, almost watery sound?

    • @miguelisaurusbruh1158
      @miguelisaurusbruh1158 3 года назад +4

      @@giuseppeagresta1425 YES, it makes it sound cartoonish anf fun

    • @georgenorris2657
      @georgenorris2657 2 года назад

      His performance of the semiquaver passages were just hilarious.

  • @francescocamplani1361
    @francescocamplani1361 7 лет назад +5

    I thank you for the excellent comment you wrote. This sonata is not among the most known ones, but I think that it is genial.

  • @소리민
    @소리민 3 года назад +3

    이 곡은 베토벤이 자신의 연인이었던 테레제를 위해 헌정한 곡이라네요... 밝고 장난치는 느낌이 드네요❤

  • @ivankuligovskii5046
    @ivankuligovskii5046 5 лет назад +9

    Jonathan Biss play the slures in 2nd mvt like grace-notes ))) Jeno Jando play them like ordinary 16ths))) Stephen Kovacevich, in my opinion, found the happy medium! )))

    • @lo0ksik
      @lo0ksik 4 года назад

      I like Cláudio arrau the Best. Dont know the theory

  • @segmentsAndCurves
    @segmentsAndCurves 3 года назад +2

    Happy 250th birthday Beethoven!

  • @markshulman3150
    @markshulman3150 4 года назад +9

    the first chord sounds just like the old mac boot-up sound... i think i just discovered the perfect pitch that i've never had before!!

    • @jcabfer06
      @jcabfer06 3 года назад

      Hahaha I've been thinking the same! My mate has a mac and when I hear it, it always reminds me of the same chord. I'm glad I'm not crazy :P

    • @averyj3247
      @averyj3247 8 месяцев назад

      @@jcabfer06 I think it is actually pitch memory.

  • @TempodiPiano
    @TempodiPiano 6 лет назад +9

    All those masterpieces and an excellent analysis, all free... what an epoch...
    Thank you by the way dear Ashish, you don't know me but I follow your videos.

    • @user-ph5wf5ko6x
      @user-ph5wf5ko6x 5 лет назад +1

      You should be thanking me for this Sonata
      *cough* you too Therese *cough*

  • @gabriel8553
    @gabriel8553 4 года назад +4

    Yes Beethoven

  • @user-bn2nw2um2t
    @user-bn2nw2um2t 3 года назад +1

    I feel what I have never felt.
    I can not believe this.

  • @Joe_Yacketori
    @Joe_Yacketori 3 года назад +3

    3:05 I think this is the theme from the introduction. It does in fact return!

  • @marco119w7
    @marco119w7 7 лет назад +31

    I remember my teacher giving this piece to me for my ARCT exam, but I gave up learning it (did Pathetique instead which was much easier in comparison) after I reached the second movement because that movement was incredibly annoying to play. I enjoyed this piece, nonetheless, but it takes lots of patience to deal with 6 sharps.

    • @Bruce.-Wayne
      @Bruce.-Wayne 5 лет назад +4

      Lol.....absolutely....I'd deal with 6 flats anytime than any sharps

    • @carterstephen8138
      @carterstephen8138 5 лет назад +2

      @@Bruce.-Wayne i honesly cant tell if your joking which i guess is a good thing

    • @Bruce.-Wayne
      @Bruce.-Wayne 5 лет назад +3

      @@carterstephen8138 .....I'm dead serious....its a different mentality dealing with 6 flats than 6 sharps...lol....any piece beyond 4 sharps (E major) annoys me, but you gotta learn everything, that's the nature of music...

    • @carterstephen8138
      @carterstephen8138 5 лет назад +2

      @@Bruce.-Wayne cant you just pretend the flats are sharps and move every note up a note (thats flat)

    • @nickarteaga175
      @nickarteaga175 4 года назад +10

      I’m not saying this to be a jerk but if you have a hard time with heavily sharped key signatures you probably are not ready as a musician for a work like this.

  • @korkorkorkorkor
    @korkorkorkorkor 2 года назад +2

    biss doing the sixteenth note slur thing has to be the funniest shit ever i swear

  • @mirandamartinez7097
    @mirandamartinez7097 5 лет назад +9

    I'm 13 and I am actually playing this wonderful sonata; thanks, this helped me a lot

  • @Ivan_1791
    @Ivan_1791 3 года назад +3

    A jewel.

  • @giovannicossu430
    @giovannicossu430 4 года назад +6

    Beethoven innamorato.

  • @DKDK8723
    @DKDK8723 7 лет назад +3

    Every time I listen to this sonata, especially 2nd mov. , I try to find out what his mind to Therese truly was, only to come back to full of curiosity.

  • @MattHibbard1993
    @MattHibbard1993 5 лет назад +6

    Very neglected key to play in, beautiful

  • @marcosPRATA918
    @marcosPRATA918 7 лет назад +4

    Clear contrast between classic and romantic figurations.

  • @user-ii6zs5mx4p
    @user-ii6zs5mx4p 6 лет назад +5

    I love this song most in Beethoven sonata

  • @ricardotiemersma1004
    @ricardotiemersma1004 4 года назад +11

    His eternal beloved was the piano.

    • @fergusbyett8088
      @fergusbyett8088 3 года назад +3

      The real eternal beloved was... the friends we made along the way

  • @danielliu1889
    @danielliu1889 6 лет назад +10

    9:09 Beethoven dances the habenera

  • @howardchasnoff208
    @howardchasnoff208 3 года назад

    Sonata allegro form is a TWO part form not three. First part Exposition Second part Development- Recap. It's evident in this playing of the sonata. The repeat sign at the end takes us back to the development. Very often the players don't repeat the second part. That's a matter of choice and is perfectly ok.

  • @user-yu8jg4lu2u
    @user-yu8jg4lu2u 6 месяцев назад

    F sharp minor to A major to D sharp minor 3:04 3:05 3:06 3:06 3:07 3:07 3:08 3:08

  • @ssvemuri
    @ssvemuri Год назад +1

    a surprisingly fresh interpretation.

  • @ricardoreynaud8301
    @ricardoreynaud8301 5 лет назад +4

    La musica ayuda a expresar y sentir. Excelente obra

  • @palenkesoultribe
    @palenkesoultribe 3 месяца назад +1

    Masterpiece

  • @shibamusique
    @shibamusique 4 года назад +5

    Beethoven was loved her so much
    Von of Therese

    • @moondancer9066
      @moondancer9066 4 года назад

      Who was his wife?
      I just know a few things about Court life. Servants were made to wear badges and a musician was one badge below a cook. How sad to know that this kind of GENIUS, still recognized hundreds and hundreds of years later, lived like common peasants, almost starving and when they left this world, nobody really noticed or cared.

    • @shibamusique
      @shibamusique 4 года назад

      Beethoven was not married...
      He doesn't have any wife.
      (I'm Korean so I'm not Good at English sorry)

  • @hugogosset9123
    @hugogosset9123 Год назад +1

    Bonjour,
    "Unapologetic comic", "schizophrenic", "increasingly ridiculous", "weird", "deceptive", "absurd", "silly", "exaggerated", etc…………
    "Ah, qu'en termes galants ces choses-là sont mises ! " ((Molière, £e Misanthrope))
    And, now, I start realising how naive I had always been in my understanding oƒ the spirit oƒ Romantic music.
    Are you sincerely convinced that Gróƒ Korompai ßrunszvik Teréz ((a good pianist)) received and viewed it that way?

  • @romanleon76
    @romanleon76 3 года назад +4

    The first 4 bars are sublime

  • @TheresevonBrunsvick
    @TheresevonBrunsvick 5 лет назад +3

    I love it.

  • @tarikeld11
    @tarikeld11 4 года назад +2

    I once posted a theory about the structury of the second movement, but I think i have another: It's a sonata rondo without development. 7:47 is Theme 2 and the recapitulation starts at 8:11 - in the wrong key, but Theme 2 is eventually in the tonic.

    • @kevinmcelhaney8066
      @kevinmcelhaney8066 4 года назад

      I recently began studying the 2nd movement and I found it to defy structural analysis. Thinking of it as sonata rondo led me to dead ends. But your insight about a missing development makes a great deal of sense--thank you for this T. Alexander! What makes it tricky is that heard this way that exposition and recap each have 3 constrasting themes instead of the usual 2, and the first 2 are effectively repeated at the start. There is little difference between sonata without development and sonata rondo without development--but the return to the initial theme at the start of the coda indeed suggests sonata rondo. What an amazing movement.

    • @tarikeld11
      @tarikeld11 4 года назад

      @@kevinmcelhaney8066 I'm glad I could help you, and your interpretation is very useful as well; even the structure in the description is similar. But there's even another one I commented a year ago: "I think the second movement is a modified sonata rondo. After developmental section and the theme you expect Episode 1 in tonic (recapitulation), but instead of that, Beethoven used the developmental section in tonic for the recapitulation. That means: Instead of ABACABA coda, the last movement has ABACACA coda."

  • @Lubawaandme
    @Lubawaandme Год назад +1

    F# MAJ IS REALLY GOOD KEY. C, F AND G KEYS ARE TOO BOLD FOR MY EARS.

  • @soloist1295
    @soloist1295 2 года назад +2

    masterpiece along with no.7,11and 29 but sadly a lesser known one

  • @mexicanheadchog7017
    @mexicanheadchog7017 6 лет назад +3

    THANK YOU!!

  • @Beethoven1111
    @Beethoven1111 5 лет назад +6

    Forgive me, but... you state "Beethoven prepares us to expect the tonic, but no -- he emphasizes yet again an absurd augmented chord" The chord you're referring to here appears to be a diminished F sharp chord, not augmented. It has a fifth lowered a half step, thus making it a diminished chord. If the C sharp were to be raised a half step to a C double sharp, it would be augmented. But that's not what the sheet music shows.

  • @shosha1878
    @shosha1878 5 лет назад +1

    The Adagio Cantabile at 0:00 make a big question mark...And now what???

  • @klop4228
    @klop4228 3 года назад +2

    I can think of one other piece by Beethoven that has a development-recap repeat, and that's the final of the last quartet.
    Interesting why he decided to put one in here.

    • @MattAsherMusic
      @MattAsherMusic 3 года назад

      Appassionata mvt III, I think also sonata 6 op 10 no 2. mvt III have it as well. Those are two I know

    • @JGS007
      @JGS007 2 года назад

      Correct!

  • @tarikeld11
    @tarikeld11 5 лет назад +12

    8:51 - 8:58 I can't figure out what exacly this passage means. What is this? It sounds like water drops and strange computer noises...

    • @user-ph5wf5ko6x
      @user-ph5wf5ko6x 5 лет назад +7

      That’s the point.
      As is I was saying:
      “Therese, my love for you is unexplainable.

    • @wodzimierzwosimieta2758
      @wodzimierzwosimieta2758 4 года назад

      Whole second movement is joke from Beethoven side

    • @lo0ksik
      @lo0ksik 4 года назад

      The Best part. Psychedelic happyness

    • @oceanmachine1906
      @oceanmachine1906 4 года назад

      Aliens

    • @tarikeld11
      @tarikeld11 4 года назад

      @@wodzimierzwosimieta2758 But why would Beethoven write a "joke" für her possibly immortal beloved?

  • @anthonyc6017
    @anthonyc6017 4 года назад +3

    Oh my God

  • @kaliumchlorat4634
    @kaliumchlorat4634 2 года назад

    17:00 II-2
    26:14 II-3

  • @loveclassicalmusicalot
    @loveclassicalmusicalot 2 года назад +3

    This is got to be the least common key Beethoven has ever implied as the home key of A certain piano sonata.

    • @owengette8089
      @owengette8089 2 года назад +2

      not necessarily, he never wrote one in B major for example

  • @user-yu8jg4lu2u
    @user-yu8jg4lu2u 6 месяцев назад

    23:40 23:41 23:42 23:43 23:44

  • @Danlovar
    @Danlovar 4 года назад +16

    4:49 🤓

  • @user-yu8jg4lu2u
    @user-yu8jg4lu2u 6 месяцев назад

    19:29 19:30 19:31 19:31 19:32

  • @rossini9mozart10
    @rossini9mozart10 Год назад

    The first 4 bars:
    "- Meine Therese, Ich liebe dich."
    Kleiber knew it, that's why he was so obsessed with the beggining of 2nd movement in the fourth symphony.
    Investigation solved ! 🤣

  • @smitlag
    @smitlag Год назад

    Is this a newer accepted interpretation of the second movement these days? The two note 16ths between the right and left hand are played more like grace notes. I think the first exposure to this may have been a Horowitz recording. The second movement was pretty lively.

    • @AshishXiangyiKumar
      @AshishXiangyiKumar  Год назад +2

      Schnabel started it first iirc. It's a divergence in how pianists interpret slurs - whether they modify only articulation, or actually demand a rhythmic shortening of the first note - that recurs elsewhere quite a lot (even in other B. sonatas). In any case, I like it both ways, so you hear both interpretations here.

    • @smitlag
      @smitlag Год назад

      @@AshishXiangyiKumar thank you!

  • @user-ue1iz5zk4p
    @user-ue1iz5zk4p 4 года назад +1

    7:03 7:03 7:03

  • @user-be3xx5kt4r
    @user-be3xx5kt4r Год назад +1

    14:54 piano concerto 5

  • @5w_08_kahangemilyko9
    @5w_08_kahangemilyko9 3 года назад +6

    1:07 my favourite part of this sonata lol

  • @user-yu8jg4lu2u
    @user-yu8jg4lu2u 6 месяцев назад

    15:59 15:59 16:00

  • @NN-df7hl
    @NN-df7hl Год назад

    Hi, why no mention of the Development and Recap repeating in the 1st mvt? BTW, was this common practice in Beethoven's time? Thank you! :)

  • @pablogomez3034
    @pablogomez3034 3 года назад

    Me encantan las semicorcheas misteriosas del 3:53

  • @user-ii6zs5mx4p
    @user-ii6zs5mx4p 6 лет назад +1

    My favorite

  • @user-yu8jg4lu2u
    @user-yu8jg4lu2u 6 месяцев назад

    18:48 18:48 18:49

  • @davidhughes3260
    @davidhughes3260 5 лет назад +3

    The second movement is quite a pain in the ass technically speaking. I'm a little horrified at Biss' approach: he tries to imitate Schnabel, rushing forward and trying too hard to completely separate all the two-note slurs from each other that they come out like grace notes that are too close together. The passagework should still be even in my opinion. Extremely difficult to create cogent two-note groups AND make it even at the same time at a fast tempo.

    • @schubertuk
      @schubertuk 4 года назад

      I agree and disagree. Bliss goes too far. But a form of scottish snap is in my view preferable to an even semiquaver performance. Beethoven bothered to put in the slurs and it would only take a MIDI engine or a dull human to eradicate them.

    • @Pianist46
      @Pianist46 4 года назад

      Biss isn't trying to imitate Schnabel, he's playing the slurs the way Beethoven wanted 2-note slurs in that pattern to be played. The rhythmic inflection can't be notated precisely in the score, but it's historically accurate.

    • @davidhughes3260
      @davidhughes3260 4 года назад

      @@Pianist46 and what makes you think Beethoven insisted on anally completely and audibly separating them to such a degree that the rhythm is skewed? So much of this is what I would call "gestural," and has to do with how often groups of notes are accented. Yes he is imitating Schnabel; his whole training with Fleisher etc., that's all the Schnabel-worshipping crowd. I like Schnabel just fine actually but he's not Jesus Christ.

    • @davidhughes3260
      @davidhughes3260 4 года назад

      At the end of my original comment I noted that it was *extremely difficult* to create distinct two-note groups without messing with the rhythm. So that's hard, but that's the thing to strive for. Biss is distorting the rhythm a lot, not a "teeny subtle bit." Sorry to rant on like this but I just think it sounds horrible.

    • @db9032
      @db9032 4 года назад +1

      @David Hughes You are right, for these slurs, that Biss and Schnabel both go too far. Listen to the superb recording of this sonata by Michael Lu. He is a very young and unknown pianist from the USA. I only discovered him, after reading about Murray Perahia choosing him for his Beethoven masterclass and concert in my hometown of Munich. His way of executing these slurs in the 2. movement is astonishing. They are perfectly even, but one can clearly hear the slurs are there.

  • @moondancer9066
    @moondancer9066 4 года назад +3

    Bob Dylan sent me here. He mentioned this in his "new" release, Murder Most Foul, about JFK.

    • @amyk8154
      @amyk8154 4 года назад

      Moon Dancer me too

    • @makaan699
      @makaan699 4 года назад +2

      Then you should stay and listen to all the 32. There are few ways to spend time better.

    • @oceanmachine1906
      @oceanmachine1906 4 года назад

      Bob who?

  • @amedeomarra8398
    @amedeomarra8398 3 года назад +1

    Mi spiace di non averti mai conosciuto.

  • @petertyrrell3391
    @petertyrrell3391 4 года назад +2

    A super sonata, but both movements are played too fast and consequently end up superficial at times. Neither movement is indicated too be played particularly fast.

    • @CarlBowlby
      @CarlBowlby 4 года назад

      I totally agree. The first pianist is simply showing off, which is great, but it doesn’t make for beautiful music. And I agree with another commenter that the 16th notes in the 2nd mvt. are played like ‘grace notes’ which they are not. I wonder what Beethoven really had in mind with this 2 mvt. Sonata. Especially considering the backdrop of the Sonata itself being dedicated to his “Immortal Beloved”?

  • @alexandreribeiro142
    @alexandreribeiro142 3 года назад +1

    Lucky Thérèse

  • @c164fmwpjdapd67
    @c164fmwpjdapd67 Год назад

    19:47

  • @winsomelau6188
    @winsomelau6188 7 лет назад +1

    Excuse me, may u upload a video of Appasionata?

  • @user-iz1jq2jl7y
    @user-iz1jq2jl7y Год назад

    第一樂章☝🏻

  • @cneonnu
    @cneonnu 9 месяцев назад

    7:04

  • @josh995
    @josh995 3 года назад

    what grade would this piece be in abrsm level?

    • @qingpingye
      @qingpingye 3 года назад +1

      If you’re talking about playing the complete sonata, it is at least at DipABRSM level.

    • @dukeofcurls3183
      @dukeofcurls3183 3 года назад

      @@qingpingye I assume it would be different if the first movement was counted only, I haven't played this sonata myself but i've heard that the first movement is easier than the second even if not by that much

  • @icemorewaterless
    @icemorewaterless 10 месяцев назад

    2:35

  • @noneisallminussome371
    @noneisallminussome371 4 года назад +1

    Its called a 'sharp' because the more there are the sharper the pain in sight reading.

    • @AshishXiangyiKumar
      @AshishXiangyiKumar  4 года назад +6

      Actually, it's often much easier to sightread (and play) keys with multiple sharps/flats on the piano (the same does not apply for, say, string or woodwind instruments).

    • @piano1500
      @piano1500 4 года назад +1

      I find the hardest keys to sightread for me are 6-7 sharps/flats. In general, for me flats are easier to sightread than sharps. Not sure why that is.most string players I've talked to prefer sharps, while most pianists I've talked to prefer flats.

    • @sgut1947
      @sgut1947 4 года назад

      @@piano1500 I'm now a pianist and I prefer flats. I was once an oboist, and I preferred naturals :)

  • @OonHan
    @OonHan 7 лет назад

    Can you make a playlist of sonatas

  • @sorenm2
    @sorenm2 3 года назад

    Why did he arrange it like that?

  • @user-rb2ht7uy8v
    @user-rb2ht7uy8v 4 года назад

    0:01

  • @user-jv7uz1vs1h
    @user-jv7uz1vs1h 5 лет назад +5

    한국인?

  • @JoseAPerez-nq9vu
    @JoseAPerez-nq9vu 3 года назад

    No 1: Jando...by far. No. 2: Kovacevic (pretty good, too), No.3 (pretty far away), Biss. That Allegro Vivave of the 2nd movement is way too fast. Not nice...

  • @anthonyc6017
    @anthonyc6017 4 года назад +1

    I looked up and it said this sonata is harder than moonlight sonata and pathetique sonata. Do you think me having played pathetique all movements could play the fist movemen of this technically??

    • @kwyman986
      @kwyman986 4 года назад +3

      For sure, but hard to say without hearing your Pathetique. A teacher would make certain challenges much easier (and safer) however. I'm thinking of the RH 16ths in the 1st for example, as I don't recall anything like that in the Pathetique.

    • @dukeofcurls3183
      @dukeofcurls3183 3 года назад

      I believe the first movement is considered easier than the second, so probably

  • @joshualeung8184
    @joshualeung8184 3 года назад +3

    It’s just me, or is this so Schubert 😂

    • @dukeofcurls3183
      @dukeofcurls3183 3 года назад +2

      it definitely is, the opening theme of the first movement reminds me a lot of that of Schubert's D. 960 sonata

  • @Clemson-c5d
    @Clemson-c5d 4 года назад +2

    dude

  • @bhanu45602
    @bhanu45602 4 года назад

    Mami ki eyes theek ho rahi hai, sunti rahe , p

  • @Lebarondesamedi
    @Lebarondesamedi 7 лет назад

    For what I hear, the most remarkable Beethoven is Jando. Romantically indulging is more Schubert-like than Beethoven himself.

    • @user-ph5wf5ko6x
      @user-ph5wf5ko6x 5 лет назад

      I started the romantic period though. Not SchangBurr