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Wait, Demon Slayer Corps Sucks?! (as an organization)
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- Опубликовано: 8 июл 2022
- Hello comrades! I've been holding this one in for a while, especially about Hashira. Don't get me wrong, I don't hate the show, I just like making fun of it. Literally everything in this show either makes perfect sense, or no sense at all, with no in-between! The Demon Slayer Corps does a lot of things wrong, not something I would expect from a centuries old organization. The number of slayers is meh, their quality is going down and demons are only getting more prominent.
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Should have DS Corps won?
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Yes. Because Muzan is even dumber
@@demirarol2201 so true
No they shouldn't have they tf cancelled yoriichi from there org like that guy was almost able to Michael Jackson by risking his life and then they were like you are a failure.
No
To be honest what kinda organization do we expect when almost every active demon slayer are essentially children and teenagers.
Fair point, that's why they should have some adults in this bitch... like 50+!
@@mahistv I can only imagine being a demon slayer in the middle of a fight and then you suddenly start having back pain. Huge back pain. 😭💀
@@mahistv most demon slayers are people who lost there family to demons, most of them were young and the reason why there arent too many adults is because they simply dont survive, besides who knows maybe there are a lot of adults theyre just background
@@mahistv gotta survive that long first
thats cause most of the members are mfs who wanna avenge their slain families
Shinobu is basically their most important Pillar, yet they sent her to hunt demons and risk losing her, I mean, hot-blooded junkies who can fight are everywhere, but medical geniuses like her are like once every generation.
Yep, they should treat her a bit better)
yes this is true but at that point why not just officially recruit tamayo into the organization and give her a lab dedicated to just her and shinobu? also not once every generation its once...that's it we're never getting someone like that ever again
@@coyolord8031 are you a manga reader or do I spoil it
@@iliyasamine6483 precisely my thoughts lol.
@@velogang9640 man its so hard to hold back when you know the sad truth, I honestly found the ending good until the reincarnation part, like c'mon sure its all peaceful and good but why don't the reincarnations believe the story of the demons, and why TF did only zenitsu write a story on that past, like that shit is going to be really far from reality (except the part of him beating kaigaku i honestly give it to him), ok now i calmed down guess i spoiled the last 2 chapters of the manga which is okay?
Have you noticed how LUCKY the Demon Slayers actually are, though? They have this guy Muzan who could literally make an army of superhuman virtually immortal monsters over night, but chooses not to. Even without making a ton of demons, Muzan is just playing around tbh, if he was slightly serious about his goal and all of that, the whole war would’ve ended the first year it started. Muzan goes around making random people into demons, with no actual “selection process”. Imagine if instead of that, he actually chose his demons? Imagine if he handpicked martial arts masters, soldiers, serial killers, only experienced people, and made them into superhuman versions of themselves? The demon slayers wouldn’t stand a chance…
Plot armor is strong with these ones
He didn't but the Upper Moon members did. They go around and if they like the guys/girls and they agree. They presented those to Muzan which usually he will just gave his blood and flesh to them. Like how Doma said he pick Gyuutaro.
yes... I agree this could be the plot armor. But I would also agree that Muzan is erm... having the highest level of narcissisms. To Muzan it is all about I, My, Me.
And trying to hide his cowardice nature by showing he is the most superior since he is what people would call the originator of demons. He even further implicitly show this cowardice or fear by not letting any demons lower than Upper Moons to call his name even if demon said in admiration like how that ball demon 6 arms girl who fought "world cup ball kicking session" with Nezuko died when she accidentally utter his name even if she said it to defend her master's name. What stems this fear? He fears any demons would rise and become stronger than him and thus break from his control. Well. No demon is stronger than him but there is at least 2 demons has escape his monitoring and control, the first being Tamayo which created his second fear and then Nezuko after 200 years. His first fear is Yorrichi whom we know who. He could handpicked those people, but like I said he also fears any demons would rise up and go against him...😅😅😅😅. I don't think it is stated, but that's the vibe I get from Muzan from S1 until now. All in All... That Muzan guy is like a spoil rich brat that act like boss of among his "friends" , who would throw tantrum when he didn't get something he wants and would fear losing all of his "friends" or them turning against him.
SPOILER
He has been humble by the first demon slayer, even during Muzan prime he stood no chances
While I agree with you, the fact that demons can escape his control and turn on him makes that really tricky. Specially if you look at his fighting style. Small spoilers ahead, but:
Muzan's fighting style consists of creating several blades tendrils that deliver some nasty poison, and on top of that, sheer physical prowess. While he's no slacker and could kill several slayers without the poison, he's on the level of other upper moons, or lower. If Akaza could master surviving decapitation, he could probably beat the shit out of Muzan. If he decided to do it in a suicide-homicide way, even more so. And Akaza was picked from a martial artist. A talented but inexperienced one, mind you. Imagine what some dude with decades of experience fighting people on his level could do.
Muzan, at the end of the day, is a coward. He fears creating a demon stronger than him and with enough of a sense of self that it might turn on him.
I thought the entire idea was that he was scared of the demons he made, afraid they would turn on him. That's why he wouldn't let demons organize themselves. If he started turning a whole bunch of competent people into demons, enough for an army enough for what they need, they might decide "F*** that" and destroy him - at least, that's what Muzan believes.
Honestly, I hate the fact that the demon slayers aren’t recognized as a legit organization, and that the government doesn’t believe in demons, especially after the entertainment district disaster!
That’s a whole large settlement just blowing up out of nowhere! Like, what did they think. That it was some random terrorist attack?
Yep, it's pretty strange but I made a few videos about why that is and concluded that it's due to the politics. Admitting you got slayers and demons, means that you, the government, can't deal with your own problems. Which in turn will be like announcing that we are weak, come conquer us.
no thay just thought it was the wind
@@mahistv I doubt anyone would be foolish enough to conquer demon infested country.
The same issue with the way Breathing works. Instead of just making it normal techniques that use their respective elements, we have this semi-realistic barely understandable bs with "well, actually, you can't see technique, but you can feel and hear it. And also damage done by then is real but they don't produce their respective element, of course unless it's *demon*-slayer, in that case it works properly"
@@motivatedman4630 and what element is the Love Hashira, or the Snake Hashira. OR THE SOUND HASHIRA
More weird things
- They give them the uniform AFTER they pass the final selection. You know... the uniform that protects you from lower demons, the lower demons that are present in the final selection?
- Why don't they mass produce wisteria poison? It's absurdly strong and it requires no special skills to use and it severely weakens even UPPER MOONS. THEY HAVE A WHOLE ASS MOUNTAIN PLAGUED WITH THE DAMN THING.
- The final selection is just plain stupid. It proves absolutely nothing. Just hide for a week and boom, you passed the final selection, just look at what happened with Giyu. Oh and NO one checks on the demons after the selection ends? It's obvious that they would get a lot stronger if they managed to kill someone.
Yep, can't even say anything, you're spitting facts!
I think its not that easy to produce wisteria poison/it's a new invention
Bc only hashiras have access to it, and we only know one person that produce it and that is Shinobu kocho, if I'm wrong correct me and if it's some manga stuff just say that it's manga spoilers
@@crowman6330 weren't the kunoichi's kunais covered in wisteria poison which slowed down gyutaro's healing? And she's not a hashira.
@@shaunpinto571 yes but in that instance she worked directly for hashira, and since tengen knew they were deal8ng with a demon he probably coated their kunais with wisteria poison since they had no nichirin training
@@crowman6330 fair point but i still feel they can use wisteria poison as a more regular means to take out demons rather than only swinging nichirin blades, it will give them more diversity in their attacks. I love the anime but there are just too many gaps in story writing, like wayy too many.
Also, keep it in mind that they exiled Yoriichi, the guy that had been closest of killing Muzan, and some even demanded for him to commit suicide. Why? Because he failed at killing a demon that no other Hashira has ever been close to injure, and his brother betrayed the Demon Slayers.
At least make him a mentor for future generations! The Sun Breathing is clearly the strongest Breathing technique of them all!
Yeah... don't even get me started on that
You Know?
*HONOR*
That’s what I’m saying dude ur getting rid of ur big gun that can literally end the off the story and there acting like they could defeat muzan alone
Fortunately the leader at that time was reasonable enough.
apperantly he could simply not pass down the breath since no ones bodies were made for the sun on..BUT he could have taught the other breath that HE MADE instead of ONLY the hashira. (that later on opposed but oh well)
Theory: tengen went to the entertainment district of his own volition, out of worry for his wives. And when the purple headass realized he was gone, he sent snake snake man.
That is the most reasonable explanation, in which only Tengen is "stupid" for not relaying the message to Kagaya and Butterfly Mansion covering his polygamous ass
@@mahistv he was emotional. but like zenitsu was saying fax when he said that tengen was an idiot.
Ubuyashiki despite having foresight he can't just spam it Like some random game, he isnt omniscient of all so he can't really act that accordingly, he can only assume what can happen with his visions and he really doesn't know what is exactly happening and iguro being late to help uzui thats literally not his fault..
@@sebasg4mer575 its uzui's for not saying anything
@@coyolord8031 then how did iguro arrive?, we Have so much holes in the plot, idk if ubuyashiki was late to foresight everything or iguro wasn't fast enough. Or we just choose the simpler option and call uzui a dumbass for using a bunch of kanoes to infiltrate in an entertainment district that end up fighting an upper demon?. Even uzui didnt expect that at all which is partially his fault
I can vouch for the ex hashiras. when u have seen your comrades eaten and narrowly escaped death going back into that organization or helping that organization even for a noble cause could be tough. We can see that from tanjiros teacher when he had tanjiro slice a boulder of unimaginable size just save the kid from what's to come.
I totally see the trauma there, but we, as DS Corps, are in no condition to waste people like that. There should be an attempt at least. Like give us a conversation of Urokodaki and Kagaya, where he says that, I dunno, "I can't look people in the eyes after witnessing so much death and carnage, which we should have prevented"
I also believe they should mentally train them I know a military that has a buddy system swapping soldiers every weak so they don't get emotionally attached and can still be rational if one dies they should be trained to be ready to die or have dead teammates now I would understand if it was an uppermoon imagine seeing a demon absolutely purpose and destroy the strongest amount your ranks and if you had them kill most people around you then I can see why and in those conditions I would to
The thing is they still help though so it's not like they're against helping They train these people who go off to die and you know every now and then one of them survives just to die later
@@someyeeterontheblock2421 the main problem is that not all of them are helping. only those who choose to
As a person who is studying administration, I can tell that's really true, they have a bad information sharing, Tanjiro learned the recovery breathing with Rengoku, but it's a ultra important technique that he should've at the start, before the exam, this technique basically save his life and makes a lot of difference , another example is the butterfly mansion training, everyone should be able to do that before the demon hunter exam.
Hello fellow BBA)
And the constant total concentration breathing it would literally improve the strength of every single member lol
The exams at the beginning of the show made me stop watching it. I was laughing at the sheer stupidity of sending unprepared children to fight high level demons... like da fuq is yall problem?
@@Perroden who's gon wait on the kids to grow up and finally fight their first demon if the world is overan by demons and muzan?
@@aesh2101 I don't know who muzan is, I stopped watching after that first exam/trial thing at the beginning. Because they send a bunch of children into a zone filled with demons and knowing that there are powerful demons no one has been able to defeat in sevral years, the children are also not fully prepared and have little knowledge of what's going on... this is the worst way possible to raise any kind of force/army... it's beyond retarded.
One thing that confuses me is that the Demon slayers sent 500+ members on the Mt. Nagatumo to kill a lower moon, but sent like 5 people to kill 1 and a 1/2 upper moons.
It doesn't make any God damn sense!
There was a lot interesting area for the spider dudes, and there in not many people that can take upper moon
@@ZoraVisions why not have all of the hashira jump each UM, that's how they beat every uppermoon and muzan in the manga
@KingKi they don't know where they are that's the problem
and sent only one when 2 upper moons attacked swordsmith village(others who fought like tanjiro, genya, muichiro and nezuko) were already there because of other reasons
The whole thing with hashira not being in duos is that they’re able to cover more ground fighting lower level fodder demons instead of covering less ground in duos and fearing the off chance a uppermoon shows up
I can respect that. But as we figured, running into an upper moon accidentally, is not a thing. You either follow an investigation (Yoshiwara) or they find you (Mugen Train)
They should not be one, but they don't have to be in duos. Give each hishira their own small band of elites. With proper tactics, and teamwork this will greatly increases everyone's chances of survival. The battle in the red light district required three semi-experienced talented slayers, a hishira, and to a lesser extent a high level demon and the kunoichi to barely win with major casualties. Even the main character would have died so much earlier without his allies. If they died, it would have simply been a major waste of human resources.
While the efficiency will decrease, the level of survival ability will greatly increase. In the end, that will lead to more soldiers being alive. Squads will lead to an increase of moral, discipline, teamwork, and mentorship. Pretty much everything you saw from Tanjiro teaming up with Tengen...except maybe discipline.
@@mahistv didn’t kaigaku randomly run into kokushibo though? I don’t think it’s ever explained how kaigaku fought kokushibo but it’s been shown that all the upper moons except 6 kinda move around a lot (kokushibo is basically a demon ronin, doma has been shown moving around in upper moon 6, inosuke’s, and shinobus backstory never in the same place, Akaza is Muzans personal attack dog so he goes wherever he want or is needed, Hatengu (4) is stated to be a traveling scam artist/murder, and 5 is a weird fish man who goes around selling his pots.
Only 6 really stays in one place all the others either move around a lot or stay in one place for a while kill humans then move again so it’s pretty plausible for a hashira to randomly run into a moon.
Also the whole training thing is made even worse when you remember the sword village could’ve just mass produced yorichi dolls to do safe sparring without the threat of getting your head decapitated by a demon.
@@motivationallizard6644 All the people who could make the dolls died.
@@devanplays3509 still you’d think someone would catch onto the idea of mass producing the dolls to attack demons or for safe sparring considering how strong they can be but instead they just said “damn this could compete with lower moons but we should just spam more swords for useless fodder slayers.”
Spoilers:
Another reason the final selection is dumb as rocks is that, like you said, it’s terribly inefficient. Sabito was literally a perfect example of that. You have this extremely talented guy who literally eliminated every single demon on the mountain except one, and then he gets KOed by this multigenerational demon that specifically hunts Urodaki’s students. Bruh. Not only did none of the trash get filtered out (ngl, Murata is pretty weak), valuable resources trained by one of the best teachers are just going to waste. Giyuu wasn’t even Urodaki’s strongest student but he’s a Hashira. Think of how many potential water Hashira were just nipped in the bud. You’d think they’d have some sort of proctor at least monitoring this, but no.
Also if you think about it, WWII happened twenty years after KNY ended. Japan literally had an organization of Steve Rodgers level super soldiers at their disposal (even if retired) but didn’t use them???
Well, that's another story)
Something tells me that the Demon Slayers either disbanded, retired or probably refused to take any part of WW2 since demons weren’t involved… but that’s just me hoping that’s the case. lol
Giyuu, Shinazugawa, and Tanjiro had Demon Slayer marks, so they would probably be dead by then. Other than that, if the few Slayers who were still alive did fight in the war, America and co. probably would have lost.
On that last point, while the show/manga has those huge displays of powerful fights between Demon and Slayers, I'm pretty sure they state some times that all they do is reach the maximum potential of the human body in order to compete, so at max the Hashira are olympic level individuals, far from something like a supersoldier.
In my opinion, the story makes their feats seem more superhuman to both appeal to the shonen audience (rule of cool, bc I can't deny it looks dope as shit), and to emphasize the core message of the human ability to overcome any obstacle with ingenuity and due diligence
@@ThiagoSilva-gb2iv on that note, Kyojuro does have moves that can literally gash the ground, Akaza can punch air hard enough to create an impact, and Kanroji can rip Muzan’s (probably reinforced) arm off, so probs still some level of superhuman. I’d say some of the mid tier Demon Slayers are Olympic level tho. Otherwise, point taken
My biggest problem is that the test actually lets people get killed inside there. Wouldn't it be better to keep them as low ranks and train them? The leader even said to the hashira that they needed more numbers. Especially since some kids die in there.
Second the trial is stupid. They wanted to murder tanjiro and said this was unacceptable and punishable by death. After the "trial" all of them forgot this judgement at the drop of a word
I agree
maybe the people who fail could become kakushi??? Then they could potentially help even more, or train AGAIN.
@@Boba069 I believe he moving too fast not to think in his mind "eh oh well they were weak there no point" cause remind in the trial they must treated it like its a real situation like tanjro and the others just go back and rewatch what our Mc did and his thinking patters that why he didn't die and remember what the kid who left our Mc and yes he possibly had a good plan that allowed him to stay in the game this long but he didn't have no honor he just imagined if he survived and was promoted with tanjro and the others he will end being the on to fight along side them in spider arc or the train arc he would even be in their way or did samething try to run away just pitiful no honor you can teach honor to a person they gotta be born with that trait.
Survive or get eliminated. They can't let the work about demon slayers be out in public.
Also if the public knew about demon more precautions would have been taken. They could have used the wisteria plant, and put them around their homes or made it into perfume or as a food source. Giving the demons a harder time and a chance to have your life the next day!
Yeah, wisteria planted everywhere would have screwed them big time.
Yeah but you know most people don’t believe in demons so even if they try to tell them they wouldn’t listen (sorry if this sounds rude)
@@Cerisekiwi5030Just drag a few decent strong ones and let them rampage abit in their cities to prove their point
@@IceKnight678that’s brutal but I love that idea or maybe feed the cities children to them and make them watch what happens because of ignorance is that to dark
If they do that the demons will eventually won’t get hurt or killed by wisteria because they will grow a resistance to wisteria so doing that is a really bad idea
My main problem is with the hashira, because sometimes they just don't do their job, like regokou's dad ignored when he was asked to kill a lower moon demon, the wind hashira will ignore everything the master said to just kill a demon even if its good, and the mist pillar was going to leave a kid to die to a fish demon because he was low priority, even though it wouldn't and didn't take long.
Yep, they suck at their job tbh, some of them don't though. Rengoku was doing everything to perfection
@entidade0592 yes, but it would be nice for them to actually help people rather than Just kill demons
@@entidade_000 but its their duty, kill demon fight demon if there is demon kill especially if youre hashira
I agree but do t bring muichiro in this, HES 14 and suffers from memory loss, It’s surprising he actually helped the kid
@@ThatRandomGuyThatLovesEastern- idc hes a hashira, its his duty to protect ppl and kill demon
Why were the Hashira even there during Tanjiro's trial? With all he demons in the world, they should have their hands full tracking and killing high level demons, but instead they all gather to judge a kid and the 1st and only ever friendly demon they meet?! The master was more than enough for the trial. And why weren't they informed about Nezuko? Giyu and Ukorodaki put their lives on the line for her, they all should know of her existence, that way, Shinobu wouldn't have attacked her in the forest.
Dude, don't even get me started on that)
the master alone wasnt enough to handle the trial, if nezuko went out of control the master wouldnt be able to do anything because of his disease
@@aesh2101 I mean literally any of the hashira at the time could've handled nezuko so that's not an excuse
@@jimmiecutieballs6709 they literally neverrr met or would meet a high level demon unless muzan gives orders where a hashira's post is at or near
It was right before the hashira meeting
It’s unusual, I’ve never thought about that before. Muzan is quite a coward, not allowing demons to group up, afraid they’ll overthrow him ( at the acception of Daki and gyutaro) Kagaya isn’t far off though, his thinking strategy solely relies on his attempted foresight. I believe he thinks the risk of sending multiple Hashira and having them killed is worse than one dying. And for gods sake at least replace Hashira, it may be hard but letting them die off without backup is straight up stupid. As you said, teamwork is vital because the demons aren’t even allowed to work together, giving the slayers an upper hand if they send multiple people. Anyway, that’s my take on it. Peace out my dudes ;D
I agree! They should play based of their strength, not some cultural samurai code oh honor (it's important, but dying solo achieving nothing but "good death" is a garbage tactics)
Muzan doesn't believe they need to work together. As we've seen, he allowed Rui to make a family. Yet Rui chooses not to have them work well off of each other.
Muzan could also kill any demon that tried or thought of a coup.
@@mahistv you read the manga until the end? Group fights are incoming, with more than one hashira, they learned very well! honor will be changed by victory of ALL COST!
Well the fights technically do not last that long and Japan aint that small for a human without cars, jets or planes can arrive to where an upper rank currently is yk?! And theres no telephones so. .. Also there is stuff going on at all times and his foresight aint spammable I assume so he can't just be doing that All Time yk?
I do understand Kagaya’s point though , because if he sent multiples ( there is only 9 active Hashiras ) and if they encountered an upper moon and lost that means more casualties, so he may think that having one Hashira at least minimizing the casualty . Muzan is just a coward
Tengen, being a Shinobi, could have easily been a valuable spy working covert missions for the Corps. But he just had to be Flashy™️
Well, the wanted to abandon the Shinobi ways but yeah
@@mahistvexactly he doesn't want that shit life anymore so he left and he can't fight upper moons with single hand and eye
He left because his wife wanted him to do so.
Oh man ... A flashy Shinobi is the biggest paradox, Naruto Uzumaki level 😭. They ain't gaining no info by being flashy and revealing themselves to everyone overtly .
@@subratanandy2142 I don't think it's directly stated, but I don't think he started becoming "flashy" until he left his clan and joined the corps
For the retired Hashiras; if a Hashira decides they want to retire, injured or not, what are the Demon Corps going to do to stop them? The most they can do is say "Could you do me a favor and not retire?" They're their own individuals, the Demon Corps can't make them do anything.
Well that's what I'm talking about. How does someone who is literally a protector of humanity, from the evil nobody even knows about, which actively destroys humans and gets stronger... can just leave? I'd be fighting or at least teaching and contributing to the bitter end because otherwise we are screwed!
The hashiras are stupidly loyal and obedient to Kagaya I guess
@@mahistv well thats what you would do though, they just Want to Live outside of that bs
You stop paying them
@@mahistv Lolol they leave the same way they came, the volunteered to be demon slayer, so they do the same when leaving
Kagaya let tons of children die in Final Selection even though the org is about saving and taking care of the weak against demons. Man that still infuriates me lmao
And he has the audacity to say that they are all his children...
@@mahistvhe let his actual children die just for the lulz, so that checks out
Buddy really went “oh i indirectly killed a bunch of kids? Womp womp it’s for the greater good”
In the last episode of Hashira Training arc, Muzan explains how venomous Ubuyashiki's hatred was for Muzan, and how the stone Hashira said that the Master says what you want to hear, also the Ubuyashiki's had the foresight ability. From all of this we can conclude that Ubuyashiki used foresight to hold conversations that will benefit him to the best, his desire to kill Muzan was his highest priority, he calls the members of Demon slayer corps as his children, the meaning of children is not what we think, for him, his children means, people who will kill this man Kibutsuji Muzan. The way we see Ubuyashiki as he is portrayed as a kind human is not what it is, he will go to any length to kill Muzan while also keeping the standards of humans
@@user-yk8yb5xy8rTHANK YOU
8:59 "Except for Murata, Murata is Good"
I think I've said it before but I'd honestly love to see an ova or filler episode dedicated to Murata and his perspective. He did manage to survive the spider forest on his own until the man characters got there and had the courage to fight off the other puppeted slayers to give Tanjiro and Inosuke space to eliminate the main threats. Seeing other events in the series from him his perspective could be really cool!
It'd be nice to see someone without plot armor o stuff)
the idea of regular demon slayers fighting regular demons is an actually interesting concept
I BELIEVE IN MURATA SUPREMACY 🗣
@@vibechecker3168 yea, but their character designs are not colorful and exotic, so no one cares for that
Honestly the one one who had a clear idea of how to defeat muzan was Kanae kocho. She said long before that demons and humans could work together and become friends and fight together. It was honestly a shame she had to die for shinobus character development and the story though.
Good point, except it's hard for normal demons to be fiends with humans thanks to Muzan
@@mahistv muzan Jackson
Muzan prob saw that one coming,that's why he makes forget your human life unless you voluntarily become a demon
Muzan could've been killed within 100 years of the corp actually being on its feet. If they had centralized training with little to no risk of dying (led by retired hashira), a separate division handling the business side of things, a division that oversaw intelligence, and a division dedicated to coming up with strategies Muzan wouldn't have stood a chance with his rag tag group of demons. SPOILER: Like we saw in the last arc, sending the entire Demon Slayer Corp got the job done, with little strategy, and extremely low numbers. Imagine if Tanjiro taught sun breathing to all of those that could use it? Muzan would've been dead in under 30 seconds if there were 8 sun breathing wielding hashira gunning for his head.
EXACTLY. Delegate shit, make different departments and turn this bitch into a well oiled machine and not some half-ass pyramid marketing garbage
I agree with everything except that last part. Not everyone is compatible with Sun Breathing. The very reason why other Breathing Styles exist in the first place because the would-be Sun Breathers could not handle Sun Breathing and thus adapted the technique to fit their individual strengths and weaknesses.
Still though, a squad of Sun Breathers would be badass.
Basically copy the court guard squads of bleach, each with their own captain that has an army of soldiers who all specialize in a certain tactic or ability.
In bleach even the poor could become soul reapers, so allowing more people to become slayers with secret advertising would increase their numbers drastically, giving them each a goal to focus on would increase efficiency too!
You just described the Gotei 13 from bleach lol
Reminder that Tengen's original plan was to take Aoi (A demon slayer who literally stopped slaying demons) and Naho, who has never had any demon slayer training to save his wives lol. Can you imagine the disaster that would have been had he not accidentally bumped into Tanjiro + Friends?
Oh it would have been GG
@@mahistvtrue lmao
Because he wanted female members who could infiltrate the entertainment district. There weren't a lot of them. Be logical before you write anything.
You think he knew AOI doesn't hunt demons anymore. He clearly had no idea.
Plus he didn't know if there was actually an upper rank demon.
You talked about the muzans curse, what if musan also has that curse, he can neither age mentally nor physically, that would explain some of his decisions, he's still a young man with anger issues and PTSD, his curse never let him forgot what happened
wow... you just blew my mind! That does make a wicked amount of sense!
Ngl Muzan ages a lot physically in the final arc
@@SomeGuyWithPimaybe that drug tamayo gave him had other effects? Idk though
That would also explain why Daki acts like a Goddamn kid , why Hantengu thinks he is STILL a victim, why Gyokko acts like an angsty teen , why Akaza goes around trying to find a training partner: these mfs never grew up a day since the day they were turned .
I think demon slayer did a terrible job establishing a ranking system for the demon slayer corps. The ranks never mattered, they were mentioned a few times then forgotten about which makes no sense. You never really got to see any ranks exactly mizunoto I think? And the hashira of course. I think it’d be really cool if we got to see the hashira choosing their Tsuguko. It could even be emotional with Rengoku assigning Senjuro as his tsuguko or Shinobu giving the honor to Kanao. But it was just something they established and never came up again.
The master was such an unimportant character, you could just have him remain mysterious until the very end and it wouldn’t feel very different. Amane could’ve easily done the messaging and trials for him. For someone who created the corps, the most important part of the story, you know barely anything about the corp or him themselves.
The corp system is so broken and confusing, its laughable. The fact that the story fails its most IMPORTANT ASPECT is more porridge that Demon Slayer suffers from a problem many other shonen do. They don’t explain the system properly and it’s confusing. Make it make sense!
Actually, anybody who kills a lower moon or 100 demons is Hashira level.
@@yoklyujl7 minimum is 50 demons
@@vanvanmanman Thx
Thats one thing I absolutely HATE! Is when you take something/someone out of the anime, and it doesn't change a THING! "Chekhov's gun" is how the stories should be written and I'll die on that hill!
@@mahistv exactly
In defence of the hashiras (for the most part) all their loved ones have been killed by demons so it’s only natural for them to be skeptical of Nezuko.
In sanemis case, (Manga/spoiler warning), his mother was turned into a demon and killed all but one of his siblings. He probably envies the idea of Tanjiro being able to keep Nezuko unlike him with his beloved mother. With that, it’s why I get kinda pissed of when ppl say ‘oh but he stabbed Nezuko so I hate him’. Like, realistically, he’s only ever known demons to kill and torture, no matter the relation. So for this ‘innocent’ demon to come in is completely unheard off (and due to their pasts), completely incomprehensible.
And if your point is ‘but giyuus loved ones have been killed, but he still didn’t kill Nezuko’, that’s because he was there to see this newly turned demon protect her brother. Again, something completely unheard off. Which, personally, I think is the reason he stands up for the Kamado siblings. Otherwise, he wouldn’t of cared for them.
I think that everyone forgets that we obviously, as viewers, are gonna see Nezuko in a brighter light. We’ve watched her become a demon and so on, we’ve watched it from behind a screen, knowing that she’s innocent. But, during the meeting and besides Giyuu, this is the first time that the hashiras have heard of this anomaly. They’ve been trained to almost death to take out demons and the fact that they’re ‘dangerous threats’ have been burned into their brains. It’s only logical that their first reaction is to kill Nezuko; to kill this threat as they’ve done the majority of their lives to protect countless others.
I agree, I expect them being skeptical, but when a brother in arms says you guys need to chill and figure this out, they got to listen. Because this situation might yield a solution for defeating Muzan, or breaking his control over demons, or whatever else, as higher ups in DS Corps they should understand that.
@@mahistv yeah, I suppose they it wouldn’t of hurt them to sit down and hear them out first lol
@@mahistv regarding Sanemai, he did a ted harshly first time being a Hashira towards the Master, it is funny to see how the others treated him.
@@mahistv Giyuu wasn't so liked by the other Hashiras at this point.
In his defence, you have to realize that the guy is running the organization on his own. Now try to run a coffee shop with the hashiras being your employees. That will definitely suck the soul out of you (no, seriously). This guy is directing an organization of at least a few hundred members while making business decisions, again, with no help. This is equivalent to being the manager of a mid-size Walmart store while trying to hide the store from the public while battling cancer simultaneously. It makes sense why he left some of the decision-making to the Hashiras.
I see you, a totally valid point. The thing is that the Hashira are a powerhouse, not a cognitive centre. Yes, they can have authority and help with their respective regions but if you find yourself in a situation like that - middle management is the answer. He has to find smart, capable and knowledgeable people to be his advisors. It will be a great help to have someone who can last longer than 20-30 years and accumulate experience, to later transfer to the next Ubuyashiki.
@@mahistv tbf, he did start at like age 4 right? 💀
Something insane like that
@@mimia6490 He was like 13-14 ish when he got the supreme leader role
@@textlabel72 ah nvm, but I suppose that’s still a young age to be leading a literal army
To be honest, I treat this whole show like some hollywood flick. It's nice, colorful, action packed... and that's all. It's better not to dwell on the details too much, or else all the stupid ideas manga author came up with will be seen. Just grab your booze, snacks and enjoy fireworks.
That's the best way to approach it!
So in other words turn off your brain.
Most things said in the video are explained in the anime.
This video is made to create controversy and get views.
Tengen didn't have a back up because he never had confirmation about it being an upper rank.
Iguro was probably asked to help when Tengen got confirmation from Hinatsuru. But he was late. That's the reason Uzui's wives were angry with him.
@@rajpanda5065 im pretty sure tengen was specifically investigating an upper rank demon
@@simon-peterwilliamson2412 no he wasn't. He was just suspecting there might be a demon. He told Tanjiro that he made a mistake bringing them here and the demon here might be an upper rank , after Zenitsu got kidnapped.
The fight happened that night which means Tengen probably asked for help by then.
I think that all the hashira's should have had a Tsuguko(successor) like Shinobu in Kanao. This way if anything happens to the Hishira they already have someone to take over, and they would have a battle buddy.
I agree, on top of that, hashira is too valuable of a unit to throw around unprotected. Look at Ainz-sama from Overlord, his minions wont let him take a stroll without escort
I don’t agree with this. A lot of the training for tsugokos are hard af. And the current hashira planned on being the ones to defeat muzan once and for all so having a tsugoko would be pointless with this roster especially with most of them only being a Hashira for not that long to begkn with. They are all in their early 20s outside of Mui….
@@BIGSWOLEXL, Gyomei in his late twenties(27 years old).
@@BIGSWOLEXL 1. The training of a tsuguko being hard is the whole point. That means that they would be just as capable as an actual hishira if they complete the training. Aoi stated this.
2. Even if they plan on being the ones to defeat Muzan, they need to find him first, and they have no leads. That's why they were all surprised that Tanjirou met Muzan.
3. Muzan is targeting hishiras specifically because he understands that they are the only ones to actually damper his plans. That was the whole reason why Muzan took out the lower moons because none of them could kill a hishira.
So with the fact that the Hishiras can't find Muzan and Muzan having a target on the Hishiras back, it would only make sense for a hishira to train a tsuguko regardless of how hard the training is, and the age of the hishira.
@@mahistv I disagree with that point, they are the most effective and efficient warriors, they are much better roaming alone than anything else
The Hashira are far and few between. Few Slayers ever become that strong shortly after becoming a Slayer period. And as you pointed out, most Slayers die early as hell. It should be apparent now that looking at the Slayer Corps mortality rate, sending more than one Hashira to deal with demons is a bit risky in terms of inventory. We later learn (manga spoilers) that for Upper Moons 3 and 1, it takes AT LEAST 2 Hashira level combatants to even keep the demons busy and the only reason Akaza and Kokushibo died at all was because they basically wanted to. And Doma died cause Shinobu kamikaze'd herself to kill him. Had that been a regular fight and Doma wasn't Doma, she'd have lost. Fighting Upper Moons with Hashira is like a game of Risk. Your chances of surviving a longer fight are based in your numbers, but are NOT guaranteed as the roll of the die 100% determine your victory. So sending Hashira to kill Upper Moons is like rolling die. Most Upper Moons had the upper hand on any single Hashira they fought.
That's even less reasons to send them alone. At least, if they run into an Upper Moon, they will have a chance for a tactical retreat, maybe sacrificing people in the process. We shouldn't underestimate how handy it is to know the blood demon art and create a strategy around it. Of course, DS won't abandon their comrades, but "gambit" is very much a strategy, an against this kind of threat, you got to make VERY risky plays, while trying to calculate everything you can and use all the information at your disposal.
I like to clarify things about kokushibou's death, coz a lot of you misunderstood his death. The reason why he died is because Muichiro, muichiro stabbed his weak point, which is his heart, thats why in the end he cannot regenerate anymore.
@@oyahchirosama6717 didnt he regenerate and become a crazy strong demon, then basically decided he was too ugly to live and died?
@@imnotaclown9603 that's just misconceptions of the critques and the fans. Just read it again and you will see that after muichiro stabbed his heart it clearly did not regenerate.
@@oyahchirosama6717 Fr, I'm running around telling them that kokushibou died from one stab with crimson red nichirin even after regenerating his head, and they're telling me that kokushibou killed himself like Akaza did. (And it wasn't the heart being the weak point, it was the crimson red blade).
What really bugs me about Kaguya is that he’s aware of Tamayo, but doesn’t bring her into the fold of the Demon Slayers..? They both want Muzan dead why would they not work together? She’d have a TON of insight into demons and Muzan himself. She could provide medical care to injured slayers. Hell she could even make some of the lackluster slayers that don’t have it takes to survive final selection into demons like Yushiro. Sure Yushiro isn’t the strongest demon ever, but he only needs a little blood to survive, and if someone with demon powers had sword training they’d be extremely effective in the field. More effective than a corpse anyway
That is a very interesting idea. And those slayers can "vow" that they will sudoku themselves (and then be beheaded like it was done sometimes) when Muzan's threat is over
Right!? They’d be black sheep to most of the corps, but a demonized slayer would have been a cool addition to Tanjiro’s entourage. They’d have a sense of kinship with Nezuko, and Tanjiro wouldn’t hate them just for being a demon
@@Licjr They would also possibly manipulate genuine elements with Breathing Styles rather than illusions. It happened with Kokushibo and Kaigaku. Imagine how much stronger they would be as a result.
@@totmgsrockxd9900 A demonized Mist Breather would basically be able to do Zabuza’s hidden mist jutsu from Naruto, which would be dope as hell
I believe they just can't easily find Tamayo's hiding place. She always move whenever disturbed (like when the ball and arrow demons found her lair). Spoilers:
He did found her in the end and she and Shinobu worked together developing stuff.
Best way the trainers could work imo is this:
The training area is in a specific place, and covered with Wisteria to keep demons out, kind of like the Canon Final Selection. A set number of either former/retired Hashira, or high ranking slayers, would be there to teach/train them. One or two teachers for helping people get into good enough shape, one for teaching them Total Concentration Breathing and the additions to it (Constant Total Concentration Breathing, recovery breathing, and patching your wounds via it.) Then a few to teach you styles. They go over the pros they have vs other breathings. Later on, the slayers can make their own breathing styles if they want to (Sound came from Thunder for example.)
The Final Selection could be a bi-yearly thing. I like your idea, just a few edits are needed. Lets say around 50 demons are captured (Ik overkill lmao) each human fights one demon, and there's a slayer shadowing them to keep them alive. They also get temporary swords and uniforms, since they are really just needed. (Genya's demands for a sword makes sense, they don't even give you one so you have to get it from your trainer, and the uniforms lessen damage from lesser demons. Y'know, they ones they are fighting in this test.) If the slayer has to intervene, you fail and go back to train until the next FS. All the demons are killed, so they may not get stronger.
Boom, slayers are improved, former Hashira are still used, and they don't lose potential Hashira to a stupid test that proves nothing. I'd imagine they would also have training for the healing squads, and offers for people like Aoi, as in you want to be more of a supporter vs a fighter. If a demon slayer meets a victim of a demon attack, they could give them the map that shows where they are. Either the slayer or the crow has it on them. They would tell you about the cons of fighting demons, with the only real pro of "save humans". If they still choose to be a slayer, great! If not, its not like Muzan uses humans, so no risk there.
Yep, that's how you do it if you have at least a double digit IQ)
Thats great! I hope swordsmith village doesn't happen and all of them die at the sale time 😮
But everything else is insanely efficient compared to whats in the anime but thats not always the casé because, personally thats too convenient and makes everything easier which the anime totally hates ( everything is meant to be hard, unfair and dumbly complicated)
ALSO the wisteria doesn't help against upper moons since how they infiltrated swordsmith and also MANGA SPOILER muzan himself just popped in kagaya's mansion and he jus blew up to weaken him, please correct me if I Am missing smthn
@@sebasg4mer575 lmfao yeah good point
I feel like the demon slayer corps should have made a academy.
Kimetsu academy?
My slayer academia
I'd watch that)
I forgot to say,then the chances of winning against muzan would increase a lot if every trained student and hashira fight together to beat muzan.
@@fanofultimatemadoka4 It would, but a few of the lower skilled slayers would just get in the way. However, they would probably be decent to dispatch any stragglers.
Never occurred to me how easy it'd be for demons to destroy the world if Muzan wanted to
That's 90% of Villains in any show tbh...
7:40 I love this part cause, as much as I love Sanemi and empathize with his pain, that scene was rough. Also that whole scene was a mess cause that was supposed to be trial but they're all like 'screw that, kill the boy'. Giyu doesn't even chime in to tell them Nezuko tried to save Tanjiro from him, Shinobu could've relayed Kanao's report on Nezuko obeying Tanjiro's command which would disprove that Nezuko put a spell on him.
Hell, Tengen is Giyu's friend (which, if you don't read the guide book, you'd never guess), you'd think he'd be more willing to listen since Giyu is involved in the whole thing instead of accusing Tanjiro of lying. Actually, this scene was the perfect opportunity to show their friendship. A demon protecting a human is news-worthy, and who better be the first person to hear it if not a friend?
The Hashira introduction is a wasted potential (I know they're antagonistic cause they're alluded early in the story to be a threat to Tanjiro [Urokodaki says that what Tanjiro is doing goes against the militia] but they deserved a better introduction)
I agree, If the wanted to present them as heartless killers, they only made them look stupid...
Exactly, in fact what irked me wasn’t that they were against the fact that they would house a demon, it’s the fact that none of them took into account that a HASHIRA, A HASHIRA WHO HATES DEMONS TO BE EXACT, was willing to protect a demon, but they were just focusing on the rules and not that important fact, even if they weren’t happy, shouldn’t they have noticed that Giyuu of all people had stepped up, whether they liked him or not?
@Night Kelm yes that too!
Like a lot of things in demon slayer if giyuu had just said something the whole”trial” would have gone way smoother
@@jacobmulligan3832or it would have gone worst as most of the Hashira don’t like him or worse hate him. If Mitsuri supported him Obanai would be even more adamant for Giyu’s death. And if shinobu spoke in support sanemi would be even more angry because he would probably see it as spitting on kanae’s name heck that’s probably what happened in the canon.
I was disappointed in the Hashiras when they were deciding what to do with Tanjiro and Nezuko. Brash, childish, zero understanding of the bigger picture. Nezuko would've made a great test subject at a bare minimum. Some of them even suggested executing Tanjiro, which seems insane on its face. The worst he could've deserved was being expelled from the Corps, it's not like he's any threat to them if he lives. Am I really meant to believe they wrangle up demons to kill their own recruits during Final Selection, but they DON'T want to study Nezuko's Blood Demon Art? Ridiculous.
I guess you can't expect much from an org that kicked out their strongest unit for "failing to finish Muzan off"
Can we talk about how Swordsmith Village, the singular most important place for Demon Slayers to get their tools/weapons, is unguarded and no one knows where it is, not even the f***ing Demon Slayers?!?! Like make it make sense smh
Oh we will in the coming video!
It always never made sense to me that no one ever thought of a standardized way to teach breathing forms to students. The slayer corps could be so much more effective of they just take every ex hashira put them in a building to teach slayers how to use breathings. Not only would you find talent much quicker but also be able to allocate others to jobs they may be for efficient at. If it was a u.s military style corp then the numbers alone could have made it extremely difficult for muzan to do anything. Would have loved to see that sort of world building in the show complementing the narrative driven focus the story took. Really was a missed opportunity if you ask me.
They should have a boot camp for breathing and general demon knowledge. Like types of demon arts and how to fight them.
Buddy i think you watched the show upside down no offence . The ex hashiras except shinjuro trained young slayers . We can only see people like jigoro and urokodaki because except them all the ex hashiras already died (except shinjuro obviously) . And why would they show themselves to the government , don't you understand what could they do with that power ? Obviously they wouldn't give such thing to the government + it takes years of training and natural talent . Everybody can't handle the physical pain from breathing the forms every single second . And the more people there is , they more information there is and the more information about ds base this the more dangerous because there was a time ds corps were open back in sengoku era but after Michi became a Demon and the corps kicked yorrichi out , kokushibo Literally wiped half of the corp memebers , bladesmiths and the leaders so that's why they went to hiding . And what @mahish tv said tbh makes no sense because bda of a demon depends upon the demon's liking and nature so bda of demons can never be the same so there can be no basic teaching or knowledge about it .
So what I’m hearing is the show should’ve been a magical high school series? Jk, lol. But ya, the organization seems set up to find a few good gems after sacrificing uncountable numbers of fodder instead of developing a sensible training system that would produce a lot more mediocre students who can survive while simultaneously still finding those gems. But they wanted lots of casualties to show how dangerous the world is without considering the implications. Smh.
@@Vergil7583 It's been some time since i finished the manga. But like don't you think at any point before tanjiro was even a thought in someone's head muzan could have done the same things he did in the manga to find the and eliminate the entire corps? He can solo nearly the entire corps assuming the sun doesn't come up so if he just takes all the upper moons with him there would have been no chance. It just kinda seems like there should a explanation to why this isn't possible. Like remember how easily the demons found the blacksmith village haha.
@@Vergil7583 You're literally a Demon Slayer Fan. I shouldn't expect much from you. Besides, he's just making a suggestion. Theirs different ways of going about things. It shouldn't be a game of pick and choose. But rather,they should teach Breathing Forms if someone manages to get into the Demon Slayer Corps. Just make sure everyone who gets in has a strong conviction. That way, they're less likely to turn on you.
Not gonna lie you grilling Sanami for a few minutes made me laugh a little harder than I should considering he's a demon slayer of course he's smart but you made him look so stupid it was funny lol 🤣 😂
That was my intention, I'm happy I made you laugh)
@@mahistv love the demon slayer content and you grilling Sanami was funny so I hope to see more funny stuff too 😄
but he do be spittin tho. i always knew that man was just putting a facade in front of the master.
I hate so much that the current hashiras only had to kill a lower moon to be a hashira but Tanjiro does more important feats but because reasons he can´t be the Hashira after Rengoku´s death.
Same thing as many other shows. Like seriously, did Naruto have to got through the chunin and jonin exam after all the bullshit he pulled? I understand written part - he couldn't have learned all the laws and regulations of the village, but still.
As far as I understand it, it’s not just killing an upper or lower moon, it’s basically soloing one. It’s more of a sign that you’re ready for all the responsibilities of a Hashira since lower moons are so much stronger than other demons. Even though he has great feats, Tanjiro is not quite at that skill level yet. We also don’t know how all the Hashira earned their title. Some could have soloed a lower moon and others could have killed a lot of demons on their own. Running into an upper or lower moon is still pretty rare since there are only 12 of them.
@@tlpeace203 Sanemi and Rengoku became Hashiras after Killing a Lower Moon WITH help. So Tanjiro should have been a Hashira the moment Rengoku died becuase he Killed Enmu. And Tokito became a Hashira after 2 months, there's no excuse for not giving Tanjiro the Rank he deserves.
@@tlpeace203 but tanjiro soloed dabi
Easy answer: skill gap and timing of character progression. The Water Hashira, Giyu Tomioka, killed Lower Moon Six no sweat. Tanjiro has not killed a lower moon single-handedly. Tanjiro has not even been shown to be better than the weakest Hashira, Giyu, and had to be saved a few times by Tengen in their fight with Upper Moon Six, even if he may have landed a killing blow. That, however, made Tanjiro a Hashira candidate, but Giyu is still alive. In the anime, the current story has not yet come to a point where they would consider Sun Hashira, given that Tanjiro is still a novice to that breathing style. It isn't a plot defect. The plot progression just occurs that way, especially since the whole story until Muzan dies in the final battle in a short number of years, just when he got Hashira-level powers, so he never becomes Hashira officially (no ceremony as expected in ritual-obsessed Japan etc.), and it just seems inconvenient to some people after the fact that there's no need for demon slayers anymore.
In summary they created an organization that is good for a TV rating from all the useless drama instead of one really trying to get shit done.
Sounds about right...
Even worse, they make shit worse somehow
Ubuyashiki is an anime character in a cruel world, its literally only him managing a bunch of demon slayers, he is either insanely dumb or he doesn't really know whats gonna happen with his foresight, he also doesn't have that much experience dealing with some demons because their abilities go in a wide Variety and can be pretty unpredictable because muzan would be Dead if he was all-knowing.
One thing I touch on is that tanjiro (who is was at the time the lowest rank of slayer) fought a former lower 6 (who was only demoted because he couldn't eat) and nobody even realised. I'm half expecting to hear that a hashira became a hashira by accident because they didn't realise at first that the demon they were fighting was a 12 kizuki
Yeah, he was fighting agains both ex and current move, killing one and surviving another, and they treat him like he is just came out of the final selection!
@@mahistv the former was much weaker. the one he survived was only because of a hashira killing the demon
Not to mention, he was the biggest reason as to why the current upper 6 was killed, he was able to hold daki and would have successfully killed her, (if not for the breathing and that she is connected), even if Daki isn’t the true upper rank demon, she’d still be at lower rank 1 at most
this dude is legit smarter than muzan, and all others, i think he would be a great helper for the demon slayer corps to catch muzan, and if he trained skills for breathings and shit he could be the top hashira
Ok, I am going to the gym (as of January) but I'm in no physical condition to run up and down the mountain. But I will consider an advisor position... in either parties)
@@mahistv ok
@@mahistv lmaooo plz not the demons
@@mahistv LMAOO
@@scythe8609 "ok" 🤓
worse is the organization existed for good amount of time before yoriichi arrived who thought them how to defeat a demon using breathing techniques. what were they doing before that throwing random people at demons as fodder to die
Pretty much... Also I dare speculate, there hasn't been that many Demons, because Muzan doesn't like to spawn them. After his defeat though, he no doubt trippled his efforts to conquer the sun and converted people left and right
Yeah I can agree I think they should at the very least send someone close to being a hashira as backup for lower level slayers if the hashira always need to be spread out like or someone trained by a current hashira like Kanao or Genya why Tengen didn't tell the other hashira about his mission is beyond me he should've asked Mitsuri and Shinobu for help and permission to bring Kanao then things would've been fine no need for the trio and no major injuries or casualties (and even tho Shinobu was away or something he could've just waited or taken Mitsuri then the trio would arrive and insist on coming and things still would've been fine)
They really got to work on that back up situation!
To be fair his wives and other people were missing so waiting for someone was out of the question but they should’ve had snake man go with tengen to fight upper moon 6 at the least seeing as he must’ve had some time to kill
yes but how would they know a uppermoon was there , the 3 wifes weren’t that powerful that if they disappeared like a hashira an uppermoon would be involved but they couldn’t even beat lower moon 6 together.
@@CrusaderMan-vf7hf while you're possibly correct at least without nichirin weapons since their training was actually more brutal than what demon slayers go through they're still trained ninjas for all three to disappear with no trace is a powerful demons work and for Tengen to not tell hq was just stupid
@@corbangonzalez4935 yeah but at best a lower moon 3 or 4 would be involved they were sneaky and quiet but in terms in power against a demon they wouldnt win unless they used poison or a nichirin katanas (which they dont have)
Obviously none of them (demon slayer corp nor demons) have ever played chess. The only thing they learnt after watching AOT is "he who can't sacrifice anything, can't change anything" and they took it to the next level. But they do make quite a show in the chess board
They are flashy indeed. But that's what a flash does, ignites, bright light everywhere, then it dies and the effect wears off...
@@mahistv yooo comrade. Yes, these lvl2 iq battle strategy is why I prefer AOT more than KNY.
@@thecoolerzhongli5566 why lvl 2 iq battle strategy? The fights are literally detailed, dont you appreciate every explanation of tanjiro and the others about their calculation? The fact that they're fast thinker and can adapt to the fight faster makes it more amazing. Maybe you're referring to DBZ, lmao.
@@oyahchirosama6717 the issue is the corps should've been whipped out long ago if the demons played correctly but they weren't (writing error btw)
The corps could've been much better ran too like they have uniforms that are durable against demons but they don't hand them out to the participants of final selection??? I get not giving a uniform until your a fully fledged member but holy those guys can still be useful. Why isn't everyone using a breathing style?? I get it if your new to the corps and barely passed final selection but uh why don't you know breathing styles? Everyone should know at that point.
The show is fundamentally flawed in it's logic
@@eloarchclips597 First, learn to consider the story, setting, and character set up before judging a dillema. Demons are very separated because Muzan is afraid that they might rebel to him. Therefore, they couldnt team up to whipe out the ds corps.
About the final selection thingy...they didnt give uniforms to those participant because of tradition, which is accurate to that time(Again you did not considered the setting set up). It was named Final Selection for a reason, "survival of the fittest". About the breathing style, it was not mentioned that they didnt know it, as far as I know, they only cant do it like Murata who lacked skill. Most of them also quited being tsuguko of Hashiras because of how insane Hashira's training are...only Mitsuri, Kanae, and Shinobu(But I think Kanae is her Master when she is a tsugoku) are one who stayed and became hashira after trained by of Rengoku and Gyomei. Tradition and Pride are very important that time as you can see to their characters.
All im saying is with how crazy the survey corps is they would have done way better in a demon slayer situation
Even just having hange would change everything 😂
No doubt. They have structure, teamwork, training... DS has nothing than raw power. Give Levi and his squad breathing and they'd clap demon cheeks everywhere. Let Hange do some research and demons would be broken down into categories, how to fight them and so on.
If I'm correct, Kokushibou aka Upper Moon 1 once killed the Ubuyashiki leader after being made a demon. Because of that incident, it lead to the forming of the Kakushi or the attendants of the Demon Slayer Corps.
In my opinion, I think Ubuyashiki's foresight power works only if the Corps is on the verge of being wiped out. And also, perhaps the reason why he couldn't immediately tell how the problem is really big is that maybe there are lots of demon encounters happening in one night. Rui is a lower moon, sure, and many slayers are dead because of him, but I guess we also need to consider where the other slayers are and what mission they've been attending because for sure it's not only Rui who's a big deal on that particular night. So, maybe there are too many things going on or happening on that night, or every single night, that it's hard for Ubuyashiki to immediately pick one of his foresight and order the crows or announce the others about the dangers lurking ahead.
If only we got some explanation of his abilities...
Yknow WHATS funny? The ENTIRE corp was struggling against a heavily weakened and old Muzan imagine if Muzan was genuinely intelligent and just did all the attacks himself HES LITERALLY A DEMON GOD
Exactly. Muzan literally had to TRY to lose this...
I guess so but if all the hashiras were there it would be the same outcome he’d die If this is before mugan train then include rengoku or if it’s after then we have a slightly powerful tanjiro but tanjiro wouldn’t be able to handle Muzan on his own of course
At least the demons eliminated most of the hashiras and there were only 4 or 5 left
@@Iloveonlyfictionalmen 3 left, giyu tengen and sanemi survived, tengen retired, would have been 4 if gyomei didnt awaken the mark.
@@-TsukasaFan Gyomei would have been weaker if he hadn't awakened the mark and likely wouldn't have performed as greatly as he did against Kokushibo and Muzan.
Literally this section 6:39 is straight facts! It’s how I felt when I watched the show! I didn’t think too highly of the pillars at this time 🥸😑
I was like “come on man! 😫 did you have to elbow my guy in the back and stab a defenceless soul“
These guys were sadistic AF !
Phew, glad I'm not the only one like that!
as much as i love demon slayer, i have never seen a video and comment section so true about this whole organization thing. (SPOILER WARNING)
also, i just wanna complain about the fact that just because yoriichi's twin became a demon, failed to kill muzan, and let tamayo go, they kicked him out. like, i understand that it's all about honor and people tend to want to be able to point their fingers at someone + yoriichi is a bit of a quiet pushover, so he most likely didnt try to defend and explain himself, but *still.* how are you going to kick out the strongest demon slayer in your corps (and the strongest guy in the ENTIRE MANGA), the guy who taught you breathing styles to survive and save people from demons?? THAT IS THE EQUIVALENT TO KICKING OUT THE PERSON WHO CARRIES THE GROUP PROJECT. it even stated in the manga that after yoriichi left, the corps was on life support and was left in an even more disorganized state, I WONDER WHY. and the fact that yoriichi continued to slay demons and everything just shows how dedicated he was to finding his brother and ending muzan. i feel like it wouldve ended a lot quicker if he stayed in the organization (maybe not because muzan went into hiding but, yk, we dont know if yoriichi couldve found him due to the help and support of the other slayers since they kicked him out). but honestly, if i was yoriichi i most likely wouldve just stayed with sumiyoshi n them, he didnt deserve to waste his life and die while fighting one of the only few people who actually loved him and was there for him when he was young. he died thinking that it was all his fault, damn. he deserved way better than the crap the universe threw at him.
fucking facts!! I didn't even to include that in a video because 1) it before the show started 2) IM FUCKING FURIOUS about that
I knew Japanese Always had a thing for Honor but this Is too much
I´ll never understand this kind of thing. Often in modern settings, it´s the "board of directors" (or something) firing the founder/owner of the company. How is that a good idea?
(Or even more BS: "This agent is too powerful, let´s get rid of them before they become a problem." Well, guess what, now he´s pissed and actually a problem. Congrats.)
Let me tell you of an even funnier joke, somebody was searching for a flower for 1000 years exclusively at night and in one country, never found it and never questioned why or bother changing his ways, only to die never learning that it blooms only at day time.
Yep. Should have paid a few bucks to some people to go look around for it.
It always baffles me how the Corps is always saying about protecting the weak and all that shit, but being so wasteful with their manpower. The selection process straight up took the life of many volunteers, people who, by the way, can serve with the support team or at the very least can serve as lower rank swordsmen. Then, what little swordsmen they had were sent into the meat grinder Astra Militarum style with minimal info and support? I mean how many dozens of unnecessary death happens at Mt. Nagatumo where they can send them WITH the Hashiras? They know some scary ass demons reside there, and they keep sending the swordsmen a squad at the time to be slaughtered.
I don't remember then saying anything about protecting the weak (rather they mentioned civilians). But I do agree with them wasting human resources like no tomorrow
“ let’s protect the weak “
“ send them to final selection and let demons eat them all ! Great !”
If you send Hashira on every mission how are you going to train other slayers.
If Tanjiro never faced Rui would be have used Sun breathing technique. No.
Has anyone considered the most important aspect of a company? IT IS MONEY. We know that Kagaya gets money with his foresight but how much does it actually earn. Plus during the hashira training arc we see there are still hundreds if not thousands of slayers. Which are on a salary depending on their ranks. Not to mention the money for weapons and uniforms. The katanas are made from a rare ore from a single mountain, that must cost a bit since we didn't get confirmation if the corps even owns the mountain. So their probably on a tight budget.
Will makes sense why they want as many people to die as possible during the final selection... they can't afford them all)
@@mahistvBut weren't they complaining about the quantity of Demon slayers severely dropping in Season 1?
The Hashira seem more like demons, with their thirst for blood, than Nezuko. That too, they talk about protecting humans yet in a blink of an eye they are willing to kill a child over the fact he was accompanying a demon, who was his sister, all because he broke a few rules. What would they do if their loved ones turned into demons? It’s like all of them, even though they all have completely different viewpoints and opinions, can’t have the intelligence or even the idea of looking at things through a different perspective. It’s like they have no sympathy or empathy.
Yep. They are strictly killing machines, which is fine. But you can't let those people run an organization - they are too narrow-minded!
Well yes it would be really tough to see their loved ones getting turned into demons but Sanemi is a guy that tried to kill his own Sibling (Genya) in the Manga Genya ate Demon meat cuz thats how his Breathing style Worked it was technically a kind of Blood demon art in which he can get Strength and Abilities as the demon he consumed the meat of however his ability is has a limit. (Sorry went off topic) When Sanemi saw Genya doing this he tried to kill him but Tanjiro stopped him. This shows how less he cares about others.
I don't hate that or anything as you can see the reasoning why, this slayer is carrying around a demon endangering other slayers and people whilst chasing something that seems more like a fantasy.
Someone like tanjiro often gets killed along with getting others killed over his foolishness, not to mention most hashira are young with clear traumatic experiences with demons which only two actually shown hostility to tanjiro (the two with probably some of the worst experiences with demons) while the rest were simply indifferent that waited for their superior to give them the order.
The only reason tanjiro hasn't been packed up nor others around him is because main character luck, nezuko is an extremely rare case and is a time bomb. She actually does go wild in the fight against daki, she is for the most part able to keep herself under control but honestly she can still be unpredictable without tanjiro constantly being by her side.
Umm spoilers..
sanemi's mom did turn into a demon and she couldn't control herself from murdering most of his siblings until he had to kill her so she couldn't kill genya so if you were him and had to think when you seen no good demons you also like him would have a hard time believing a 14 yr old child has a better grasp on keeping her humanity as a demon than your own mother you'd ask yourself "why this kid and not mom??" you know..that part about nezuko honestly makes no sense cause she did lose grasp on her humanity in season 2 cause her demon instincts from beating down daki kicked in but not from the rarest kind of merichi blood??..ig her plot armor was really kicking during hashira meeting and the rest of the hashira just have major ptsd and trust issues
Before seeing Nezuko a good demon has never ever ever ever been encounter every demon until then have been blood thirsty bastards and the villians of the hashira's lives which caused them extreme trauma
11:15 Muzan can't make an army over night for a couple of reasons:
1. Most people die because muzans blood is to strong
2. As you saw with nezuko, the people need to be willing and loyal or else they wont listen to him etc
3. Most demons that did survive would simply be so weak that they would just serve as free training for the slayers
Fair argument!
1. He can make weaker demons turn the humans (that way its not as fatal)
2. Not necessarily, I'm sure his "curse" takes care of loyalty and so on (cause if not, he will just kill them telepathically)
3. Absolutely! But that's the idea - to occupy as many slayers as possible, and they will not level up that much. Think about it as level 20 character killing level 1, it doesn't give any EXP because it's so easy.
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I'm gonna start with 3 cuz what I'm about to say will make a lot more sense that way
3. Well as you said in the video, the slayer corp sends rookies that die if they arent main characters, so lets say those rookies are around
level 1 - 2, killing a couple of those demons could probably level them enough to be able to take on the demons muzan would normally make which would be around level 5 or something
1. As I stated in 3, if muzan were to do that those demons would become really weak cuz not only are they incompetent to begin with but they also got a chineese knock-off of muzans blood which would make them free kills
2. As you saw in the lower moon meeting, one of the demons tried escaping after realising muzan wasnt gonna let him live, which in turn proves that they dont blindly follow him and that unless they are really loyal even without the curse the demon can still betray him
(9:17) I would not pin all the blame on Sakonji for his student's deaths. Kagaya holds most of the blame. Sakonji is not responsible for the Final Selection arena. He sends candidates, but he is not responsible for managing the area. Kagaya should have had Uzui to scout Mount Fujikasane to make sure there was no high level demons there. Sakonji may know that a demon there is killing his students, but he cannot predict where the demon shows up. His only fault is not reporting Hand Demon to Kagaya.
Very fair. Haven't thought about it that way
@@mahistv not just that why do they let them die i mean of they need more members don't send them to death and they should Be offical members monitoring
The only thing that I can use to defend the DS corps, is that it’s 1 man is running a 500 something strong organization in 1800s Japan, Where everyone is either dying and getting kidnapped. Or just going somewhere in the bloody mountains. In probably a 50 different political entity Japan. Plot armor is quite literally what is keeping the organization from collapsing like basically every Attempt at a unified China until the 1800s
I see your point, but a slight correction - it's 1900 and Japan was pretty united. However, yes, running an organization like what when you have 20is years to live is no bueno. He should have a council of some old dudes/and new ones to effectively manage it. Make the structure more horizontal and not vertical so to speak
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That would mean more people, considering the enemy has a great way of bribing people, it is not a good idea to involve too many people especialy ones who do not have the determination for it.
@@Raximus3000 Absurd. ~500 people cannot possibly cover the tens of thousands of square km of Imperial Japanese territory. The sole reason why the DSC even function is because the plot demands it. They shouldn't even have that few people at all.
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For the resources they have they are doing just that. Finding enough capable people for this kind of job would require to search all over the country. Add that to keeping everything hidden because their boss thinks it is his family's resposibiliy to kill this millenia old monster and you have them acting like this.
@@Raximus3000 "Finding enough capable people for this kind of job would require to search all over the country." And they should be searching around the country. Their entire goal is to kill Demons throughout the Japanese territories, no? Real-world militaries are numbered in the tens of thousands to millions depending on the size of the country and whether it is peacetime or active war. Also, the fact that Demons are still somehow not receiving public attention despite massive body counts and extravagant feats of city destruction is solely because the plot demands it. There is no way you can keep the fights at Yoshiwara under wraps. Too many witnesses, and the guarantee that rumors of what happened there would spread amongst hundreds of thousands of people, who would then be pointing their fingers at the government and DSC, shouting "What the hell happened!?"
You have to understand that Taisho-Era Imperial Japan doesn't just involve the mainland. It also involves Taiwan, Korea, and the chunks of Pacific Ocean between them. That is a _lot_ of space to cover. You need large groups of people patrolling the land, scouring the seas.
Honestly imagine how many Villages could be saved if the DSC actually mass produced Wisteria and had discreetly planted them around people's homes, at least a detergent to repel weaker or lower level demons.
Just give away Wisteria pots and let them sit on peoples windows!
@@mahistv I wonder if this help demons develope an immunity to wisteria poison because Doma heard that Shinobu was using it so he took it gradually so he can become mostly immune to it
@@mrdaddycupcakes9890prob not. For Douma as individual? Maybe, but the same rule applies to humans too
There is a lot of reaching here, Kaguya’s foresight is more of a feeling and instinct than knowledge. The crows themself are the information network. I do agree with failures of the character development in the story. As for the retirement of the Demon Slayers is because Japanese tradition. Its never quite clear if the government doesn’t know about the Demon Slayers. Tengen’s mission was literally an off the books mission. Tbh the Demon Slayer’s biggest problem they are trapped behind massive amounts of tradition. Also considering most of the Corps work in the countryside which has been made clear to still believe in demons and demon slayers.
I wish they explained how foresight works, or at least hint, so your point is fair. Crows have only been seen delivering messages, that's not enough to be scouts. I'm sorry, but I'm ignorant of those traditions. Government most likely knows, I have a video coming up at some point. Tangen's job is to hunt demons, and he is conducting an off the books demon investigation? Doesn't sound good regardless of how you look at it. Traditions sometimes hold us back, unfortunately.
The demon slayer corps honestly makes no Sense, like how on earth for centuries have they not been found out about yet. Guys carrying swords and wearing THE SAME UNIFORM and no one bats an eye. Like bruh, and I think the training is a bit sucky. They should understand that not all demons fight the same lmao. They should actually study more smh.
Yeah! They should have an archive of all encountered blood demon arts, categorize them, create general counter strategies and so on!
@@mahistv EXACTLY, I feel like there are common demon blood arts and then there are rare demon blood arts in the series. But they wasted the potential 🧍🏼
@@WalterWhitesMonkey Here's the thing bruh... Most of them are dead and only the very minority are alive. The reason why most of the people dont believe demons or dont believe others, who knows demons. Think about it in real life, assuming that ghost are real and the very minority of humans are the only ones who saw them.
@@oyahchirosama6717 ye u do have a point.
the uniforms are a new development in their history, i think? they look a bit like real-life gakuran, which are derived from western military dress and came into vogue during the 19th century. and in the panels that show past demon slayers, the members werent wearing the gakuran-looking uniform, but clothes typical of their period.
if they were smart they would operate like a mix between the soul society in bleach and the ninja villages naruto. each hashira should have their own platoon of demon slayers overseeing 9 districts. they are then further broken down into squads of 4 like we see with our main cast. these 4 man squads are then sent on missions together and fight together, watching eachother's backs while also being overseen and reporting to a senior member who reports directly to the hashira they are under. hashira are to be deployed if any demon with a moon designation has been spotted. major cities and areas are to have command centers were hashira reside as well as having a major infirmary, sleeping quarters, and supplies. smaller command centers should be sprinkled around japan for the same purpose. each hashira division will also oversee an important aspect of the overall organization. shinobu can be research and medical, tengen can be espionage gathering intel on demon sightings, rengoku could be slayer selection since he is the best judge of character and so on. lastly create a phone and telegraph line to be used by citizens if they spot a demon or any suspicious activity.
This is sound strategy, but it requires a lot of people to execute. It would work of they restructure their training and final selection, so that they don't waste so many people to the exam
If this guy would be the demon king he would’ve wiped out every demon slayer instantly
Not instantly, but I'd have made more progress than this one)
@@mahistv yeah
The one bit of plot armor that really felt like bullshit was how Inosuke survived getting pierced through the heart. The solution for that was "I can contort all of my organs!" Which is fucking ridiculous. No amount of training can do that. I know there is a suspension of disbelief with breathing techniques, magical demons, etc, but you do still have to have everything make sense. That does not make sense.
The proper solution here would be to say that Inosuke is one of the rare individuals who has their heart resting on the right half of their body. It's called Dextrocardia. It is extremely rare, but I would believe that way before I believe that he can move all of his organs at will, and somehow moved them before he got stabbed instead of blocking the attack outright.
precisely! that would have been a better explanation
bro can dislocate his joints and literally bend his body all the way backwards and put his head in between his legs
@@goodbye6676 Right, but literally nobody has muscles that can move organs around, and the act of moving your heart a few inches would put a LOT of strain on your veins, if not tear them apart. Forget moving it somewhere else in your body completely.
@@ReptillianStrike Ik it's doesn't make sense but alot of things in anime don't make sense like luffy not dying from enel when his attacks should've been hot enough to melt his rubber body
@@goodbye6676 I just expect some more realism from an anime that takes itself seriously.
OnePiece has a lot of magic and shit, so there is a higher level of suspension of disbelief vs Demon Slayer
None of this would have even been a problem if Yoriichi just double tapped Muzan
Well, dude did better than anybody in a good few centuries could. Hard to blame him, yet, your statement is not wrong
What I don't understand is that why are the demon slayers trained to use only Katana's? We've seen that other hashiras can use other weapons besides Katanas & such.
The earth pillar uses an Axe (Technically a massive Hatchet.) along with a massive chained mace.
The Sound pillar uses these dual chained Thick sword, what I mean by thick, they're more like the chinses sword. Mainly base on strength / rather than skill, if slayers had different weapons to use maybe they wouldn't die as much similar to a party in a MMORPG.
(I wonder why none of them used (Wisteria coated Arrows) & Bow, Or what about some Naginata, Staff - Katana, for those slayers that were a bit more passive than Aggressive?)
Wisteria Smoke Bombs, similar to tear-gas, use them for a support item.
I noticed that ( The Kakushi ) those helpers dressed in all black, they throw kunai & shuriken at the demons... why not coat those in Wisteria poison?
The last thing is something simple, why did none of them use camouflage - Ghillie suit, or something similar?
(You make good videos, keep up the good work.)
I think it has something to do with: master basics first - then do your own shit. And since the sword is the most convenient weapon, they train them like that.
Yea and the pillars have incredible skill and talent that the other demon slayers cant come close to
long-ranged weapons aren't typically used bc gotouge said the metal thats needed to make demon-slaying weapons is rare, and thus can't be wasted on projectiles
but genya uses a pistol so like...
and also, different breathing styles are tailored towards different people. kanroji was trained in flame breathing at first, but created love breathing to suit her own needs in combat. we see in the spin-off manga that she used a katana during her early days, but has taken to using a different weapon by the swordsmith village arc. so i think the different weapons are due to different breathing styles.
this is also supported by one of the forms tengen uses. idr what its called, but it involved him spinning his blades around, which he wouldnt have been able to do with a katana
Were smoke bombs even invented back then? Edit: it was made in 1928 so I think it’s not possible but smoke bombs would be possible so I think you could?
I mean Genus uses a gun. My
Aren’t there snipers or anything
How did no one question the fact that children are actively dying inside of final selection and all the good people are dying early because they want to do well but end up dying because of it is concerning. What is someone isnt cut out for it , just gonna let them die? there should be someone monitering final selection
Agreed. I went on quite a rant about that in one of my later videos!
All the Hashiras have strong reasons why they hate demons. Not to mention that since most of 5hrm lost one or both there parts its very likely that there mental development is a bit stunned. Ironically very similar to their demon adversaries.
It is ironic, but as a team with a goal to defeat Muzan, you cant put your petty above it.
The fact that they sent one Hashira against an upper moon, but they sent 2 Hashira for a lower moon not to mention that during the begining of Hashira training arc they sent 2 Hashiras for a couple of regular demons, they really be clowning now
Another dumb thing is that there were no known attempts to find out how yoriichi got the mark in the first place. WHY ARE THERE NO RESEARCHERS RESEARCHING THIS
Nah, slayers got brrrrr
Pretty sure they thought it was just a birthmark.
@@thomaswilliamatkinson37before the mark spread yes they probably thought it was,but how about when the mark spread?
I think it is important to remember that the story of Demon Slayer is set not only in Japan but the samurai era of Japan where the decision makers don't prioritize logic or ultimate victory but rather tradition, ego, individual glory and proving their right. It is more acceptable to a samurai to die with honor and keep their beliefs rather than admit that they were wrong about something. These things are why the last great era of Demon Slayers during Yorichi's time were defeated because they allowed themselves to think that they were stronger than the demons which led to their downfall instead of banding together to take Muzan down together which is what ultimately happened but that requires people to set aside their ego.
This is a very good way to look at it, and it parallels some of Japan's history
Yeah, the entry test was basically feeding trainees to their pet demon
And then having a surprise Pikachu face when you have a ginormous demon eating all of them!
Like you said, Hashira should virtually ALWAYS work in pairs whenever a ranked demon is suspected of being present.
Also, it’s absurd that they don’t use firearms more. The fact that their battles are so loud and they openly carry swords just hoping not to get stopped by the cops negates any “discretion” argument. They should at least have specialized fire teams with wisteria coated bullets to go to special locations. Shinobu’s poisons should be standard issue at least.
Agreed, they severely underutilize weapons other than swords.
It hurts me how accurate this was
Me too dude, me too
It really isn’t
One day we’ll get a shonen where the bad guy and good guy institutions both act rationally and it’ll be pure chaos
It's kinda somewhat pretty close to what MHA is doing. Also Akatsuki under Pain were doing more or less OK
We could also apply Demon slayers with some wisteria oil bottles for greasing their swords so even if they can’t fully kill the demon, at least the Wisteria oil placed on the sword could leave them with some agony.
100%. Why Shinobu is the only one using the poison when it's effective regardless of the user
This makes me think that every Hashira should be given an additional job as well. For example Shinobu is already kinda responsible for a lot of healing and recovery process of the slayers, so she should have been made a dedicated leader of the healing and recovery squad, one of the Hashira should be incharge of the selection exam (also the same Hashira should be responsible for an organized training academy), one of them could be incharge of the swordsmith village and stuff related to that and of course one of them should be responsible for a espionage squad as well (Tengen should have done this in the current generation) . Also, every Hashira should have his own personal squad and the slayers who pass the final selection get to choose which squad they want to be a part of and if one squad ends up having too many members, they can do the allocation of squads via merit. The squads will still take normal demon slaying missions but they will also dedicate some man power to these very important jobs as well. By this process not only the organization becomes way more efficient in all aspects but the Hashira's can directly help and train the younger slayers while also ensuring that the Hashiras (who are a very important asset to the organization since only very rarely is a demon slayer able to reach Hashira level) don't have to waste their time on fodder demons and only have to fight the Twelve Kizuki.. The Demon Slayer Corp thus becomes like the Gotei 13 from Bleach or the Special Fire Force Squads from Fire Force and these 2 organizations are way more efficient that DS Corp with the Gotei 13 being in the power and maintaining balance in the Bleachverse for thousands of years (albeit through a lot of corruption and evil activities). Like seriously why doesn't the DS Corp have an organized training academy literally every anime organization (non antagonistic/villainous/evil) organization has it, Naruto has ninja academy, Bleach has shinigami academy, Jjk has the 2 Jujutsu highs, Mha is basically filled with them UA is just one example, I am pretty sure in One Piece both the Marines and Revolutionary army have one and literally everyone else. Just some ex Hashiras living in random corners of the country aren't enough especially when their final selection exam is straight up garbage.
I say Hashiras should focus on their own thing. Like Shinobu can go kill demons and be scientist, but let other, smarter and older people run the place! Of course you are failing cause you have people in charge who have barely developed their frontal lobes.
Also if nichirin bullet exist, why the hell dont they switch the fodder slayers to guns so they can actually consistently face low tier demons without dying, or maybe do something against moons
Agreed. A blunderbuss is very much a thing, so good luck dodging all those nichirin pellets from like a squad of 10.
Can we talk about how Genya is the only guy using 20th century weapons in the 20yh century?
Eventually I will!
Also, regardless of other senses, all the demon slayers have this sort of "sixth sense" that can pretty much detect demons around them. They're also able to tell a human from a demon, regardless of appearances.
Not all of them have that sense, and not all of them can tell right away. Zenitsu was able to tell only after she snuck up on him
I know people explained that the hashiras cover regions in order to cover more ground and that's why they dont usually pair up but in the entertainment district they knew they were dealing with something serious. They had ample time to dispatch capable people
Exactly! they should have had more and more experienced people
Then blame Tengen's personal decision
Did the thought of other demons like tamayo who could have escaped muzan's grasp when yoriichi almost killed him never come across kagaya's mind?imagine how many more demon allies the demon slayers could have gotten
Nah, they are too narrow minded for that
A solo mission with inosuke would be a fever dream
A solo mission with Genya, however, would be the demon slayer equivalent to going to the shooting range and having a nice meal after😂
Lol. I'd watch solo Inosuke doing stuff, however, it's the chemistry between all of them that brings out the best of him
as for the spy thing, the hashiras are also responsible for that, and i imagine there are crows for it too (we've seen crows have multiple purposes, so it doesn't seem unlikely to me)
Id say, Hashira should be your ultimate strike force and they should focus only on that. While have a unit that is responsible for scouting separately.
@@mahistv I fully agree! It doesn't seem quite logical tbh. Perhaps they could make a group like the kakushi but give them crows incase they die getting information
@@fam3at762 I'd say making the Hashira spies is a terrible idea. They seem like the most likely to be identified, and they don't seem trained in disguise. If they are, then the identity thing is less of an issue.
@@lightningpenguin8937 yeah I agree. As far as I know they mostly do it at day (so they can fight during night) meaning the demons wouldn't be able to fight either way. Still, it doesn't seem like the best idea
That and multiple of some have questionable social skills so asking people would be... Interesting..
2:40 Obanai runs in zigzag, and doesn't have the most remarkable stamina. He also has some faith in Tengen, as he was the most experienced hashira of his time.
Welp. Aberrantly faith doesn't do much... who could have thought) Still, he had days to get there
@@mahistv I mean both Gyutaro and Tengen were held back significantly, but Tengen's situation was worse as he had more fellows and approximately 85% of them were mortal, and Tengen was the only one who actually stood a chance on his own there, Tengen's reputation is simply righteous, but couldn't live up to it this time on others' accounts.
@@sefisyara5961 Feels bad, man.
I was also thinking about that why is it worth it for the demons to work for Muzan? Seemingly they really want to be part of the higher 12, but we only saw them being killed and punished by Muzon, whats in it for them, what reward are they getting? They are already immortal and insanely powerfull, and i wouldnt want to risk Muzon killing me beacuse he happens to be in a bad mood, and it isnt even appears to be hard to get off of his radar, the doctor, her assistent and Nezuko can live without Muzon even knowing where they are just fine. Also if he is so much more powerfull than the moons, letalone average demons, and he wants the slayers dead so much, then why didnt he just went and killed them already, instead of keep scolding other deamons for their failuer? Dont tell me he doesnt know where their HQ is, wich have stayed at the same place for centuries.
Yes, it's all very unclear, but the reason for "what's in it for them" - Muzans blood is basically controlling them and cultivating these desires. And not every demon was willingly transformed, sometimes out of pure hopelessness
They seem to be held hostage by his blood. So I guess as they become stronger, Muzan begins to care about them. Then they're "obligated" to do his bidding. Once you're at the point, you do everything to please him or die.
As for the doctor, she broke the system. Muzon can't hold her hostage for some reason. Power of medicine I guess. Nezuko...power of not eating? There's probably spoiler stuff for Nezuko, but I think I can guess it. Either way, they're on his kill list, and if you don't have what they have, Muzan decides when you live or die. So the best course of action is to be forgotten, or somehow find the miracle doctor.
In the ds corp, they have the flower thingy(forget its name) that keeps demons away from the corp
@@imdarkmonster3697 wisteria flower
@@mahistv Muzan just erase their humanity and then he proceed to manipulate them.
Just found this. I’d love to see a series of discussions around different anime/manga organizations
We will get there at some point) I need to get home first)
Comrades, sorry that this video took so long, I hope it was worth the wait...
it was worth the wait 100%
@@nssanthoshk9902 agree with no doubt
Thank you!
Completely agree with this, there is no reason for Hashiras to just be chilling on their own instead of hunting as teams. Thanks I didn't realized how much this plot hole bothered me until now
If they send more than one hashira for a mission they run the risk of losing multiple hashira. So really any mission a hashira goes on, he/she's just gotta take one for the team.
So... keep sending Hashiras 1 by 1 till we run out?
@@mahistv 😂
@@mahistv and it's funny cause that's what muzan did in infinty castle arc split the slayers up and put them against demons wayyyyy stronger than them individually
@@goodbye6676 Except the slayers still got to fight the UMs in teams. He clearly didn't isolate them enough.
To cover some your points
The government knows of the demon slaying corps and does not recognize them as an official entity. As stated by Tangaro at the end of season 1. This is why when they saw the cops at the station they run like Hell onto the train.
The Demon Slayer corp. are divided into cells that a hashria are incharge of. Each cell covers a different part of the county and they report to Ubuyashiki family. This has both helped and hurt them as Muzan has never known the Demon slayers true numbers and strength but at the same time makes logistics a nightmare.
As for the training yeah it's a very big problem even brought up in Universe. Retired Hashira and slayers are supposed to train recruits until they can pass the final selection. But reasons they were trying to figure out in universe the quality of recruits dropped ether through poor training, poor recruit selection or some combination of both.
The foresight ability varies from user to user. Kagaya Ubuyashiki was barely able to use it to its full potential while his son Kiriya was able to predict and see everything in the infinity castle unlike his father.
And the big on you brought up about intelligence gathering. Yeah there no excuse for that one.
I appreciate your point of view! I agree with the fact that a lot of things DS corps does, simultaneously benefits and hurts them
Huh? Didn't Kiriya see everything in the Infinity Castle because he used Yushiro's patch things?
I'm surprise the wisteria part of DS hasn't been utilized.
For the demon slayer part, I was thinking about how demon slayers are offered Wisteria tea to not only to be a refreshing drink, but also lowers the risk of a demon eating the people corpses due to the smell the humans produce. I can imagine a character who's family WAS a part of the corp and used the information they learned over the years and use it in case of an attack.
This is a good point. Get some wisteria in their systems so demons can't eat them. And just use wisteria more ffs!
Scorched earth tactics. If you can't protect your own resources, at least make sure no one else can get their hands on them. Do the same thing Shinobu did but on a larger scale. I assume Shinobu's "body saturation with Wisteria" strategy involved a version of Wisteria that doesn't harm the human body because ingesting wisteria flowers can cause irritating effects to the gastrointestinal tract.
Foreshadowing .. someone does lol
This is my point when it come to the demon slayer corps none of them even try to find a way to kill muzan much less search for him even though a large majority know that he's still alive but what do they do nothing, it comes to the point where the hashira look stupid asf
I wish Shinobu or someone, had a dedicated team of scientist working on figuring shit out!
It’s stated in the manga that some of the responsibilities of a Hashira are protecting their assigned regions and investigating the whereabouts of demons (which I’m assuming includes Muzan). It’s implied they’re looking for him, but no Hashira has been able to track him down, partially due to his shapeshifting and the fact he’s had hundreds of years of practicing “blending in” to human society. I see what you’re saying though.
@@tlpeace203 They're probably not trained detectives either.
@@lightningpenguin8937 Good point.
the demon slayer corps none of them even try to find a way to kill muzan
*sun* .
DS corps shouldn't have won, they only won because of the most massive plot Armor I've seen in my life, upper moon 3 got his past memories and was like "nah imma just die", ok cool, but UM2? Seriously? He died only because he was toying with his prey 💀
As for UM1, he literally RAGE QUIT after he asked for a joke and got told to look into a mirror 💀
Yeah, the conclusion was underwhelming AF
so here is the most stupid part
thanks to shinobu, demon slayer corp has a posion that KILLS most demons and PREVENTS moons from regenerating and weakens them
but shinobu is THE ONLY ONE using it in her sword...EVERY FUCKING SWORD SHOULD HAVE POISON ON IT, the slayers should coat THEMSELFS on poison before going to battle because remember, that posion is also HARMLESS TO HUMANS. wtf
Agreed, it doesn't matter that it's expensive, take a while to make or whatever excuse they have. If this is Demo's kryptonite, you'd spend ALL of your resources to make it happen
@@mahistv imagine for example if rengoki had that on his sword. Akaza will be death for taking the hits thinking it will be fine
Just want to add something I found absurd is that none of the demon slayers or even hashira's just wear nichirin armor half of the them would have survived if the just used any sort of protective gears .
Hmmm. I think there are 2 reasons for that. #1 - not enough ore. #2 - metal armor will reduce mobility, and given how acrobatic they are, it's a big factor.
As little sense as Naruto sometimes makes they do have the schools to teach all of the basics and their final exams aren't allowed to be deadly anymore.
Standardised schooling is effective in getting a certain level of education in for everyone and then they can specialise into whatever suits each student best.
The slayers could do this too with one big school where everyone first has to go to learn the standard stuff and then they go into the smaller schools for the more specific breathing techniques. Also some courses for support people. My hero academia does this relatively well too.
One might argue its one big target for demons... but plant some wisteria around and you are golden! Or they can stay on the move and get practical knowledge
“Oh well look there’s a bunch of younglings with *POTENTIAL* , and *KNOWING THE EXISTENCE OF DEMONS* , let’s throw them into a big arena of *DEATH* instead of properly training them! I am sure this is a totally good idea!”
Yeah, quite a coincidence that the only people who survived knew how to Breath!
@@mahistv "Send all these clueless recruits to fight dangerous demons in the wilderness as the first test, let the weak be purged" later... "WHY ARE WE LACKING IN PERSONNEL? I'M SURE IT'S NOT BECAUSE OF THE KILLZONE WE USED AS AN ENTRY LEVEL TEST!"
Actually all the points are the reason why they weren't able to win until now.First about the hashira my theory that they want to slay as demons as possible and not target muzan cause first they have upper moons to defeat (which is a task in itself) second they haven't seen muzan or battled him to know what his power is so thats not there many target.Hashira (old ones) also can't come at the ds hq cause then whats the point of staying in a hidden area? Allowing the trainers coming is just giving demons invitation to find the ds hq and kill every demon slayer,if you say in morning then also no cause the ds hq is in remote and it can take days/months to even reach.Also scouting is not possible as demons can sense humans even if they don't see them.Statergies is also like a bate like in mountain arc ds corps didn't knew how many demons were there and ubashiki had a rough idea that there was a kizuki there,so statergies are just like do or die(kill them if you spot a demon or die).Ubashiki abilities are not reliable but i have a theory that the abilities were given to them to kill muzan but cause of the curse the abilities became weaker and weaker so now they can only some far in future and once in a while.Nice video btw love your work,it was worth it waiting!
I agree with most, except for scouting - Muzan specifically said that they have no way of knowing who the slayers are, and in Dakis case, they got pretty close. Also it doesn't mean physically looking for them. Listening to gossip, reading newspaper, looking for weird occurrences - that's also part of reconnaissance.